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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ken rose Dahl here with Alana Rizzo. Big news last night,

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Speaker 1: and really we are down to only a handful of

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Speaker 1: free agents. The best remaining free agent at this point

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Speaker 1: probably Zach Gallen. But Alana, we're not going to be

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Speaker 1: talking much about Zach Gallen this week.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: It's more about from Barvaldez. Great to be with you, Ken,

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Speaker 3: in the Fair Territory crowd. Yesterday we thought, hey, you

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Speaker 3: know what, maybe the Pirates are going to get from

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Speaker 3: Barvaldez and put him into that rotation. However, Ken, as

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Speaker 3: you know best, another team has emerged from Barvaldez appears

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Speaker 3: to be off the board.

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Speaker 1: He is definitely off the board, and he is pending

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Speaker 1: a physical with the Detroit Tigers. Three years, one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifteen million. And Alana, it's so interesting that one move,

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Speaker 1: just one can change the entire perception of an offseason

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Speaker 1: or of a team. You go back last year to

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Speaker 1: last April actually with the Blue Jays and Vladimir Guerrero Junior.

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Speaker 1: That's signing. It was for five hundred million, but that

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Speaker 1: signing changed a whole vibe around the Blue Jays and

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Speaker 1: kind of took the heat off of the team and

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Speaker 1: off the players. They didn't have to answer those questions anymore,

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Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about lad being a long term

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Speaker 1: Blue Jay this offseason. Chicago Cubs last year did not

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Speaker 1: get Alex Bregman, in fact, finished fourth for Alex Bregman.

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Speaker 1: And this year they get him, and people say, whoa

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Speaker 1: good move that with Edward Cabrera and some other things. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the Cubs go, And now with the agreement with Fromer Valdez,

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Speaker 1: the Tigers are in a similar position. When we entered yesterday,

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Speaker 1: they were going into a hearing with Trek Scruble, the

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Speaker 1: two time back to back Cy Young Winner. They were

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Speaker 1: looking at the loss and are still looking at the

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Speaker 1: loss of Schooble as a free agent at the end

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Speaker 1: of the season, with really no ace beyond that. Jackson

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Speaker 1: Joe will be coming off Tommy John surgery in twenty seven,

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Speaker 1: but he's still a young pitcher and it'll be coming

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Speaker 1: off of surgery. So with this move, what do the

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Speaker 1: Tigers accomplish. They put an ace in place, a coace

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Speaker 1: in place with schoobl for this season and protect themselves

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Speaker 1: if Schooble leaves because they have Fromberg for at least

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Speaker 1: next season. He hasn't opt out after two years in

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Speaker 1: this three year deal. You can see it right there.

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Speaker 1: There are some deferrals as well. So for the Tigers,

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Speaker 1: this kind of takes the heat off in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways. And as I wrote today, after talking with

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Speaker 1: a person who was briefed on their intentions on their plans,

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Speaker 1: that person said, we are not trading Trek Schouble. Our

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Speaker 1: intention is to win. It's been their intention all off season.

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Speaker 1: They signed Kenley Jansen, they signed Kyle Finnegan, signed Drew Anderson.

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Speaker 1: They haven't done a whole lot labora Torres took the

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Speaker 1: qualifying off for Jack Flowherdy opting in, but they've been

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Speaker 1: mostly quiet until now. And now you look at the

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Speaker 1: Tigers and you look at them in a much different

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Speaker 1: way than we did twenty four hours ago.

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Speaker 2: And he's reuniting with AJ Hinch.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, with the time with the Houston Astros, it wasn't

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Speaker 3: not a huge reunion, Ken because as you were stating

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Speaker 3: in our production meeting, Fromber wasn't there for very long while.

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Speaker 2: Aj was there.

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Speaker 3: But that's God means something in terms of the familiarity

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Speaker 1: No question. Alana and from ber Valdez was first with

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Speaker 1: the Astros in twenty eighteen, kind of a cup of

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Speaker 1: coffee type situation. Then twenty nineteen he wasn't even a

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Speaker 1: full time starter then, So that was aj Hinch's experience

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Speaker 1: with him. But clearly aj Hinch is tied into members

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Speaker 1: talked to members of the Astros organization about from ber Valdez,

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Speaker 1: and clearly in this case gave the go ahead, said yes,

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Speaker 1: let's do this, we can make this work. Yes, there

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Speaker 1: have been questions about fromer Valdez's makeup, but now he

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Speaker 1: manager who is familiar with him. It can only help.

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Speaker 1: So this the Tigers is a transformative move. As we said,

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Speaker 1: they have the outcome of the Schooble hearing. They will

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Speaker 1: the other. In arbitration and the feeling among many was,

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Speaker 1: then perhaps they would not have pursued another starter. The

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Speaker 1: Tigers essentially by doing this, said the heck with that,

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the one two tandem at the top of

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Speaker 3: the Tiger's rotation.

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Speaker 2: It is a good.

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Speaker 3: One, of course, with te Scoobel and now from Bervaldez.

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Speaker 3: But what about the depth of this starting staff? Can

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Speaker 3: Are the Tigers now one of the best rotations in

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Speaker 1: I would say with that one, they're in the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Beyond that, it's Jack Flaherty, Casey Myiz and riees Olsen.

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Speaker 1: Not bad by any stretch of the imagination. Pretty good actually.

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Speaker 1: the kids. I'm not sure will it be as good

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Speaker 1: as the Blue Jays rotation headed by Dylan Cees and

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Speaker 1: Kevin Gossman with trey Ya Savage having his first full

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Speaker 1: the Yankees once the Yankees, if they get healthy, have

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Speaker 1: Garrett Cole, Max Fried, and Louis Hill. I don't know

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Speaker 1: the answer to that, but certainly this puts the Tigers

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Speaker 1: playing in the feeble Al Central to at least be

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Speaker 1: the kind of team you can dream on for being

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Speaker 1: this year's Blue Jays. They're not quite there. Offensively, they're

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Speaker 1: not quite there, but they have a couple of top

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Speaker 1: prospects Kevin McGonagall and Max Clark, that they expect to

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Speaker 1: offense at the deadline, then they can go get offense

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Speaker 1: at the deadline. So I kind of like where the

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Speaker 1: with Scooble and Valdez healthy, that's pretty.

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Speaker 2: Good, I tell you. And I like their road chaser

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Speaker 3: I like their bullpen too, especially the back end of

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Speaker 3: that bullpen with the addition of Kenley Jansen. You have

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Speaker 3: the money piece for just a second. Three years one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen million is a lot of money, and

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Speaker 3: good for from ber Valdez to get that. But the

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Speaker 3: comparison with the Trek Scooble arbitration stuff, and perhaps from

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Speaker 3: Bervaldez's contract, we're not comparing apples to apples here. You

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Speaker 3: yourself just said that even if they lost the arbitration

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Speaker 2: Not go after a starter.

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Speaker 3: So talk a little bit more about the money piece

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Speaker 3: and what we should be looking at here.

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Speaker 1: Glad you asked Aalana, because there seems to be a

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Speaker 1: lot of confusion among fans, understandably perhaps about the difference here.

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Speaker 1: Arbitration is not the same as free agency arbitration. You're

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Speaker 1: dealing with one team free agency. You're dealing in an

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Speaker 1: open market situation. Arbitration is a system based on precedent.

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Speaker 1: The whole argument in the schoobl case is whether he

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Speaker 1: deserves to be paid more than David Price was in

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen in arbitration, that's eleven years ago. Price holds

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Speaker 1: the record for a pitcher nineteen point seventy five million,

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Speaker 1: or should he be paid more like some of the

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Speaker 1: better free agent pitchers today. And actually what he's asking

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Speaker 1: asking for a record for an arbitration player, Wan Soto

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Speaker 1: holds that record at thirty one million. He is not

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Speaker 1: going to go to forty. But in this situation that

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Speaker 1: free agents. So it's relevant in that sense. But when

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Speaker 1: it was never going to be more than thirty eight

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Speaker 1: that from Arvaldez just got because he is, in his case,

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Speaker 1: trying to establish a precedent in a big way. He's

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Speaker 1: trying to go thirteen million above the previous high for

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Speaker 1: a pitcher. He wasn't gonna go twenty million above. And

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Speaker 1: the whole argument that MLB and the Detroit Tigers made yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I am quite certain is this is too much, it

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Speaker 1: would break precedent. Where he should be is closer to price.

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Speaker 1: Now we'll see what the outcome is of all that.

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Speaker 1: But when you compare the two and you say, hey, wait,

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Speaker 1: how can the Tigers pay from for Valdez more than

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Speaker 1: they're paying Tarrek Scoobel, It's two entirely different branches of

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Speaker 1: talking about two different things again, the comparison. Schoobl could

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Speaker 1: make an arbitration, Yes, he could have compared himself to

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Speaker 1: Valdez if you knew that salary was on the board yesterday.

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Speaker 1: But it seems to me, and I have to talk

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Speaker 1: me that Terrek Scooble didn't need Frobervaldez's contract to make

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Speaker 3: I would just take both of my Sigh Young Awards

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Speaker 3: in there. I would set them on the table in

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Speaker 3: front of Scott Harrison and everybody there in the front office,

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Speaker 3: and I'd say, please, sir, pay me thirty two million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Enough said, I tell you what Ken.

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Speaker 3: first break, smart or silly of these teams can to

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Speaker 3: run it back in twenty twenty six, and what I

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Speaker 3: mean by that is basically running it back with the

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Speaker 3: same exact personnel.

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Speaker 2: We will start with the New York Yankees.

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Speaker 3: Not a ton of difference in terms of additions, but

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Speaker 3: they will get Garrett Cole and Luis heel Back.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and maybe Clark Schmidt as well. And people forget

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to be a Yankees' apologist here,

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a Yankee's apologists. But they

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Speaker 1: did win ninety four games last year. They did lose

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Speaker 1: the World Series in the playoffs. Of talking of course,

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Speaker 1: about the Toronto Blue Jays. They did not have a

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Speaker 1: bad year. No, they didn't win the World Series, but

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Speaker 1: they had a really good year. So to come back

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Speaker 1: with essentially the same cast, and that's what this is

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Speaker 1: for the most part. Okay, but they made some moves

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Speaker 1: to the deadline to supplement their bullpen. Those guys will

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Speaker 1: with where they are. Could they be better, sure, and

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Speaker 3: all right, we welcome you in the Grill and Ken.

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Speaker 3: Time to ask Ken Rosenthal some questions, and I'm going

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Speaker 3: Yes, it'll be interesting to see where parades ends up.

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Speaker 3: A lot of folks think, and perhaps the Boston Red

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Speaker 1: So things are happening behind the scenes that we, of

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Speaker 1: The Diamondbacks would not have to lose a draft pick

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Speaker 3: Last question here on Grill and Ken. Are the Red

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Speaker 1: The answer is no. Jem McCaffrey wrote about this in

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Speaker 3: Okay, somebody else asked if it was kind of a

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Speaker 3: Kiner Philippa. I don't believe that to be the case.

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Speaker 3: All right, much more coming up on Fair Territory with

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Speaker 3: Ken Rosenthal. We will be back with our Dude and

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Speaker 3: Dork of the Week right after this bet.

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Speaker 4: I'm JM account holders today. How about in any sport

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Speaker 4: on parlays and on same game parlays. Gambling problem or concerned,

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Speaker 2: All right, Ken, who is your Dude of the week.

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Speaker 1: It is going to be the Seattle Mariners with an

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Speaker 3: All right, mind, Dude of the week a couple of

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Speaker 3: But you know, we sometimes forget, Ken, that these guys

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Speaker 1: Well, Matt Gilb is one of our superstars, that's first

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Speaker 1: I expect Kirkering to be warmly received opening day now.

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Speaker 1: If he struggles, different story, but that would be the

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Speaker 3: Who are you putting your finger at this week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Alana. Let's go with the Minnesota Twins. Okay. Now,

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Speaker 1: not only did they have a mutual parting with their

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Speaker 1: president of operations, Derek Falvey shortly before spring training, that's

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Speaker 1: unusual as well, but beyond that, they replaced Joe Polad

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Speaker 1: with Tom Polad as their lead guy, and Tom Polad

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Speaker 1: in taking over saying, hey, we're gonna compete, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be good. Well, if you want to compete, you probably

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Speaker 1: have to spend a little bit more money. It's been

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Speaker 1: and they have new investors. You can understand why the

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Speaker 1: change was made with Faalve. Tom Polad's knew the investors

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Speaker 1: are new, they are a different group, and he obviously

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Speaker 1: decided I've had enough this. But if you're going to

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Speaker 1: sell yourselves as a competitive team, act like a competitive team.

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Speaker 1: And until then, the Twins, well, their dorks are the weak,

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Speaker 1: but there were remaining dorks until we see a little

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Speaker 1: bit more proactive action from them.

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Speaker 3: I could not wait until my dork of the week

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Speaker 3: because this is just comical. You have lived on the

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Speaker 3: East Coast for a long time, you're no longer on

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Speaker 3: the East Coast, but I am currently residing in the

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Speaker 3: East Coast and we're buried here. We are buried under snow.

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Speaker 3: It's cold, it's awful. But the Atlanta Braves can they're

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Speaker 3: not used to this weather in the South, and they

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Speaker 3: decided to cancel Braves beest because of the thread of snow.

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Speaker 3: Well then the Northern National Weather Service in Atlanta wanted

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Speaker 3: folks to send them pictures of the amount of snow

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Speaker 3: that they got.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 3: You go, Ken, there's a little sprinkling. I think that's

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Speaker 3: someone's roof there on their car. And peach tree. Look

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Speaker 3: at to cater Decatur just got slammed. Can look at

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Speaker 3: that grill cover? Mind goodness, how could they hope? Oh wow?

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Speaker 3: Not even an inch of snow. And of course they

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Speaker 3: made it a big deal. I understand you're not used

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Speaker 3: to it, but coming from someone that lives on the

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Speaker 3: East Coast, that's embarrassing Georgia. That is embarrassing the Atlanta

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Speaker 3: Braves canceling Braves best fans going nuts. I think they're

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Speaker 3: gonna survive, Ken, I think they're gonna be okay with

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Speaker 3: that snowfall.

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Speaker 2: The what do you think.

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Speaker 1: They'll probably be okay. But I do understand the Braves

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Speaker 1: because once this happens, and I lived in Baltimore for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Atlanta, granted is further south in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: even but once it happens in a place like that

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Speaker 1: that is not accustomed to it, it gets paralyzed. So

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Speaker 1: the Braves probably did what they had to do. But

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Speaker 1: come on, that wasn't a whole lot of snow. There

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Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of action there.

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Speaker 2: And I understand too.

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Speaker 3: I lived in Los Angeles for seven years, and when

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Speaker 3: it rains there, people act. They don't know how to

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Speaker 3: they lose their minds, they don't have any idea how

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Speaker 3: to drive.

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Speaker 2: Like I get it.

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Speaker 3: I understand, but I had to poke fun of it

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Speaker 3: because we're literally buried under two feet of snow in

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Speaker 3: New England. How the Mariners found out that Brandon Donovan

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Speaker 3: was THEIRS, I didn't. I didn't hear about this, So

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Speaker 3: tell me a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: I wrote about this the other day, the day after

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Speaker 1: the trade. And I love a lot of crazy trade stories.

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Speaker 1: I love covering this stuff in every way, but crazy

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Speaker 1: trade stories, crazy free agent stories, those are my favorites.

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Speaker 1: And this one was right up there. So the Mariners

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Speaker 1: were visiting the Washington State Capitol in Olympia, Washington, because

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Speaker 1: the state Senate there was reading a proclamation adopting a

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Speaker 1: proclamation that day in honor of their season and in

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Speaker 1: honor of cal Raley's historic campaign, and their general manager,

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Speaker 1: Justin Hollander, was standing in the gallery kind of the

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Speaker 1: When on a group text with Heim Bloom of the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals and Eric Neander of the Rays, and of course

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Speaker 1: Jerry Depoto of the Mariners, he got word from Bloom,

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Speaker 1: you're good to go. We have a deal. Start the medicals,

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Speaker 1: which meant start the medical review process, which is the

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Speaker 1: last step toward finalizing a trade. At that point he

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Speaker 1: bolted out there there was a door that was locked.

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Speaker 1: You had to get it unlocked. Contacted the Mariners medical

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Speaker 1: people said, okay, let's start the review on Donovan. Let's go,

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Speaker 1: and that is how the Mariners found out that they

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Speaker 1: were getting Brendan Donovan after all this time. And the

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Speaker 1: funny part, well, one of the many funny parts of

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Speaker 1: this story is that after Hollander got back and the

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Speaker 1: ceremony was over, different aids and senators were gathered around

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Speaker 1: to Poto and Hollander and Rick Riz was there. They're

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Speaker 1: broadcaster Dan Wilson, their manager, and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: were saying, man, it would be great if we could

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Speaker 1: get Brendan Donovan, and Justin Hollanders said, we're working on it.

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Speaker 1: They not only were working on it, they had them.

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Speaker 3: That's great. That is a good story. That's a fun

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Speaker 3: one that ends in a good way. And Rick Riz, congratulations,

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Speaker 3: it says last year calling Mariners baseball, So enjoy your

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Speaker 3: retirement year one of the best in the business. Well,

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Speaker 3: thanks everybody for watching and listening. Foul Territory is next.

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Speaker 3: Ag appears in. Eric and Scott Braun are going to

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Speaker 3: welcome in Bob Nightingale brock Stewart and J. P.

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Speaker 2: Sears. Fair is back on Monday with Ken Talk to

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Speaker 2: you then,