Speaker 1: Yo, Part two of the Most Toxic Relationship.
Speaker 2: Dog This one Toxic relationship again Anthony Blinkin just getting
Speaker 2: back from a meeting with China, and there's four big takeaways,
Speaker 2: And basically the four big takeaways is it could have
Speaker 2: been worse.
Speaker 1: That's the four biggest takeaways. It could have went much worse.
Speaker 2: But we was in the middle of walking through some
Speaker 2: history of the Sino American relations and I looked up
Speaker 2: and was like, Dannus, mother law, let me split this
Speaker 2: into two. So we're gonna pick up the conversation at
Speaker 2: about nineteen seventy one, and I'm gonna carry the conversation
Speaker 2: from nineteen seventy one into now. All right, So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna jump in the past me recording, connecting it to
Speaker 2: future me, which is also past you, because they're because
Speaker 2: I recorded this.
Speaker 1: Three weeks before you heard it.
Speaker 2: Now fast forward to nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: Remember I told you it's a person that you looking
Speaker 2: at them and you like, I mean, respect do. I
Speaker 2: don't like you, but I get it, and I kind
Speaker 2: of need you around because I mean, you're kind of
Speaker 2: a person you got to know out this mug. So
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy one, there was the first step in
Speaker 2: maybe possibly like somebody trying to like, you know, if
Speaker 2: you was like, you know what, suld we should go
Speaker 2: have lunch. When you try to tell somebody like you
Speaker 2: know what, let me just let me just let's you
Speaker 2: want to catch a cocktail something like, you're just like listen, man, like, okay,
Speaker 2: it don't have to always be weird.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm tripping. Let's see what's up right.
Speaker 2: So the first sign of that was China's ping pong team.
Speaker 2: They invite members of the US team to China in
Speaker 2: April of nineteen seventy one, and then journalists come the
Speaker 2: accompanying players and it was like, so listen, that's them
Speaker 2: being like.
Speaker 1: Hey, bro, you want to I could get a beer
Speaker 1: or something like let's just fresh start, fresh start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seen the other guys fresh start or just call
Speaker 2: this the Fabreeze Brothers.
Speaker 1: New fresh Start.
Speaker 2: So they're the first Americans allowed to come to China
Speaker 2: since nineteen forty nine. This is in July of nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy one. Henry Kissinger at the time was the Secretary
Speaker 2: of State. He makes this secret trip to China. But
Speaker 2: then shortly after the United Nations recognized the People's Republic
Speaker 2: of China with its permanent Security Council seat that had
Speaker 2: been held by Shang Kai Chek's Republic of China since
Speaker 2: nineteen forty five. Now confusing, let me remind you what happened.
Speaker 2: Maling them defeated Shang Kai Shek and Shang Kai Shek,
Speaker 2: the national public are the ones that left and made Taiwan.
Speaker 1: You got me, okay.
Speaker 2: The UN finally puts some respect on China's name. China's like,
Speaker 2: thank you. Then it gets real weird when Nixon goes
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy two. He spends eight days in China.
Speaker 2: Nixon at the time, it's one of those things where
Speaker 2: you like, you know, at the time, this felt like
Speaker 2: a good idea.
Speaker 1: So he meets with Chairman Mao. Right, this communist, communist dude.
Speaker 2: Now, remember he could at this moment in Nixon's career,
Speaker 2: he can afford to, you know, make some gambles. So
Speaker 2: he signs the Shanghai Communique right with the premiere over there,
Speaker 2: and it sets the stage to try to improve our relations.
Speaker 2: So it's like, it don't always got to be weird
Speaker 2: when we see each other. Right, let's discuss the difficulties,
Speaker 2: particularly Taiwan, but normalization of those relations between the two countries,
Speaker 2: it just never really work out. Now, y'all remember when
Speaker 2: we was talking about Israel and Palestine what normalization means.
Speaker 2: Remember we talk about like basically saying like I see you, right,
Speaker 2: And that was most of the Arab nations were trying
Speaker 2: to tell the world, like, don't do this with Israel,
Speaker 2: Like if you do this, it's gonna be a problem
Speaker 2: with everybody. Don't recognize them, meaning you treat them just
Speaker 2: like a nation would treat any other nation. Obviously, we
Speaker 2: have a position, as you saw from day one. We
Speaker 2: like the Taiwanese. We liked them as a country. We
Speaker 2: think yo, like Doc, if they want to bounce, let
Speaker 2: them bounce like they doing anything Like, I don't understand
Speaker 2: what your problem is. But like I said, when you
Speaker 2: looking at two sides having an argument that are related,
Speaker 2: you can't just be taking no position if you don't
Speaker 2: know the history, you ain't been around here long enough.
Speaker 2: You just decided. Because of this, I'm speaking from China's perspective. Now,
Speaker 2: I know you may feel like because of the way
Speaker 2: that I'm speaking of this, that I'm on China's side.
Speaker 2: Nothing can be further from the truth. I listen, I'm
Speaker 2: a square. Would come to this like when it come
Speaker 2: to like think of it like this, when it comes
Speaker 2: to cribs, bloods, I'm a Filipino. Like there's like nigga,
Speaker 2: that's y'all's thing. If we're talking Mexican and Southadorian, I'm
Speaker 2: a black dude, Like that's y'all. Like, I'm not in it.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to trying to give y'all some personifications
Speaker 2: out this book. So anyway, Nixon, like, Yo, we at
Speaker 2: some point we got to talk about this because fast
Speaker 2: forward to now. You know, Taiwan makes all of the
Speaker 2: chips inside of all of our smart devices, all the
Speaker 2: way down to your door. Nigga, your dishwasher because the thermostat,
Speaker 2: cho phone, nigga, did every your vacuum, Nigga, anything that's
Speaker 2: got an LED screen got a chip in it, and
Speaker 2: it's made in Taiwan. So you know, in some senses,
Speaker 2: we were pretty smart to try to stay nice to them. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So now formal ties are made. You fast forward to
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine with President Carter, he grats China full
Speaker 2: diplomatic recognition while acknowledging that mainlands China one China principle
Speaker 2: and serving normal ties to Chaiwan. So basically what Jimmy
Speaker 2: Carter tries to do is basically have his cake and
Speaker 2: eat it too. He tried to do both. He trying
Speaker 2: to have his main and his side, and he wants
Speaker 2: them to both get along. So by saying, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna grant China full diplomatic, I'm gonna recognize you, you
Speaker 2: full diplomat.
Speaker 1: You good over here, everybody good.
Speaker 2: But China itself is like, okay, cool, So then you
Speaker 2: understand what we mean by one China, which basically one China's,
Speaker 2: One China policy is basically saying, Taiwan's China, You're not
Speaker 2: your own thing, You're just you're us. But before that,
Speaker 2: while we never really wanted to like officially jump in
Speaker 2: with China, was because we don't agree that that's not
Speaker 2: true if you're telling me it's all or nothing, like
Speaker 2: we trying to be like in the eighties. My name
Speaker 2: is Bennett and I ain't in it, but at the
Speaker 2: same time I kind of need both of y'all. Right.
Speaker 2: So then shortly after in April, the Congress approves the
Speaker 2: Taiwan Relations Act right, allowing continued commercial and cultural relations
Speaker 2: with the United States and Taiwan. So basically like, I
Speaker 2: don't want that beef. I don't want the smoke, but
Speaker 2: I do want I do want the products. I want
Speaker 2: to keep making this money. Like we ain't got to
Speaker 2: get along. I'm not gonna look that beef you got
Speaker 2: in mind, nigga, Like I'm not finna. You know when
Speaker 2: your ops come, nigga, those are your ops. But we
Speaker 2: can make this money. And then Taiwan like, well, I
Speaker 2: mean what you mean my ops, nigga? My ops are
Speaker 2: China and you just said you're cool with them. So
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I mean, what's really good, bro? Like
Speaker 1: what we really talking about?
Speaker 2: Right? And America like, man, shut up and cast this
Speaker 2: check I'm giving you, you know, shut up and take
Speaker 2: these tanks, nigga, Like I don't understand what your problem is.
Speaker 1: Now. Fast forward to the Reagan era.
Speaker 2: Reagan administration gives these things called the Six Assurances to Taiwan.
Speaker 2: Reagan is like, this is the shut up and take
Speaker 2: take your money thing, right, And they said we're including
Speaker 2: that we will always honor the Taiwan Relations Act. Right,
Speaker 2: we not go on mediate between that again. We're not
Speaker 2: gonna get in between us. That shit you got between
Speaker 2: you and China. That's between y'all. I promise to never
Speaker 2: do that. And we're gonna set a date right to
Speaker 2: terminate our sales of weapons to Taiwan, and then they
Speaker 2: so then he signs it in nineteen eighty two with
Speaker 2: the People's Republic of China, which officially normalizes the relations. Right. Basically,
Speaker 2: we trying to date sisters, you understand what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: and we just want every sister to be cool with
Speaker 2: each other right now. Throughout this whole thing, Reagan keeps
Speaker 2: voicing support and stronger ties with Taiwan, right, and his
Speaker 2: administration is also building or hoping to improve relationships with Beijing,
Speaker 2: which is China at the height of the US concerns
Speaker 2: with the Soviet expansionism, because you got to remember, all
Speaker 2: that President Reagan was worried about was fuck Russia.
Speaker 1: He's his fear is like, I can't have Russia having friends.
Speaker 2: So if you China, you know that, I think you
Speaker 2: only being cool with us because you don't like our
Speaker 2: big homie, So you just trying to keep us on
Speaker 2: your side.
Speaker 1: But little do you know, won't really like our big
Speaker 1: homie either. This is just this shit is functional.
Speaker 2: And then in June, the US government permits Beijing to
Speaker 2: make purchases of military equipment. Now, if you Taiwan, you
Speaker 2: like nigga, did you just promise to stop selling me
Speaker 2: weapons and then now promising to sell them weapons? This
Speaker 2: shit is weird. Fast forward to the TMN Square. All
Speaker 2: this shit blows up again in nineteen eighty nine, thousands
Speaker 2: of students hold this demonstration in Beijing and the TMN
Speaker 2: spare demanding democratic reforms and the end of the corruption.
Speaker 1: Right, and what does China do? Well? Now, if you America,
Speaker 1: you like nigga? Are you serious? Nigga?
Speaker 2: What the.
Speaker 1: Everything? Everything was cool just then? Were it was? It
Speaker 1: was going so good? Just now bro, all right, digg
Speaker 1: are y'all serious?
Speaker 2: Did you just what the I just agreed to sell
Speaker 2: you tanks and you just shot your own nigga?
Speaker 1: China looking at them like what do you care? We're like,
Speaker 1: what do we care?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Fast forward March nineteen ninety six, Taiwan's first free presidential
Speaker 2: vote right the Nationalist Party, Lee ting Yui.
Speaker 1: I said his name wrong.
Speaker 2: He wins Taiwan's first presidential election by a super large
Speaker 2: margin in nineteen ninety six, despite Chinese missile tests meant
Speaker 2: to sway Taiwanese voters. Right. Basically, they were like, Okay, listen,
Speaker 2: I don't care what y'all want. We're gonna ask the
Speaker 2: Taiwanese what do y'all want? Y'all want on an independent
Speaker 2: state or you want to stay just kind of like
Speaker 2: China's little homie. China was like, yeah, okay, it's up
Speaker 2: to y'all. Why don't y'all decide? Chick chick pow wow. Oh,
Speaker 2: we just testing weapons. We just want to see what
Speaker 2: y'all want. Right, Well, they still decided. Now we're trying
Speaker 2: to roll solo dolo. Right, get look look this how
Speaker 2: messy the shit gets because this election happens after a year.
Speaker 2: They come a year after China brings back their ambassador.
Speaker 2: China had an ambassador in America. China sends him home
Speaker 2: because President Clinton allows a visit by Lee, right, reversing
Speaker 2: this fifteen year old US policy against granting visas to
Speaker 2: Taiwanese leaders.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety six, Washington and Beijing agreed to exchange
Speaker 2: officials again.
Speaker 1: So you got to remember listen, China was like, I'll
Speaker 1: mess with y'all.
Speaker 2: You can mess with Taiwan, but you can't get a
Speaker 2: leader's visas because remember they not a country, and America
Speaker 2: was like, well shit, okay, that's why when you fast
Speaker 2: forward to Nancy Pelosi going, that's why that was such
Speaker 2: a big middle finger to China. But Nancy Pelosi, of
Speaker 2: that T and M N Square generation, she like, I
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck what y'all think.
Speaker 1: Nigga, I'm going to visit the homies. Let me slide
Speaker 1: by their player. What's up? Cuh here go over there?
Speaker 2: Tapped up his armies in Taiwan because he's like, Nigga,
Speaker 2: this is what I remember. You out here telling us
Speaker 2: who we can and can't have come to our house,
Speaker 2: and you fuck y'all, you can't tell us who we
Speaker 2: can have in our house. If I'm a demand just
Speaker 2: got elected, I'm gonna invite him over all. Look that
Speaker 2: shit you got between you two, that's that shit is weird.
Speaker 2: I don't wanna be a part of it. The man won,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna invite him over got weird again. Then it
Speaker 2: gets really ugly in nineteen ninety nine when the Belgrade
Speaker 2: embassy bombing, and so NATO gets this accidentally bombs the
Speaker 2: Chinese embassy in Belgrade during his campaign against the Serbian
Speaker 2: forces who are occupying Kosovo in nineteen ninety nine. Right,
Speaker 2: the US and NATO are like, oh shit, my bad, bro,
Speaker 2: dog we Oh my god, dude.
Speaker 1: I am so sorry, bro.
Speaker 2: I know it's so weird, but like nigga, I swear
Speaker 2: to God on Mama's on hood, on set, on everything
Speaker 2: on turf, that was an accident.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to God.
Speaker 2: I know it's already weird, betwet us, but I swear
Speaker 2: to God, nigga, I wasn't trying to like bomb your spot,
Speaker 2: trying to like say you keep it, HELI keep your apology.
Speaker 2: Fuck yr accident right and demonstrated all over the world
Speaker 2: was like, okay, you know what, man, I knew, I knew,
Speaker 2: I knew I didn't like them. Now President Clinton now man.
Speaker 2: October two thousand and President Clinton signs the US China
Speaker 2: Relations Act right in October, granting Beijing permanent normal trade
Speaker 2: relations between the US and China, paving away for China
Speaker 2: to join the World Trade Organization In two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: Right between nineteen eighty and two thousand and four, the
Speaker 2: US and China trade rises from five billion, get this,
Speaker 2: to two hundred and thirty one billion.
Speaker 1: Now we're making money.
Speaker 2: And then China surpasses Mexico as United States second biggest
Speaker 2: trader after Canada.
Speaker 1: Oh man, now there's bread to be made. Right.
Speaker 2: Then there's this weird two thousand and one spy plane
Speaker 2: standoff right where a reconnaissance plane collides with the Chinese
Speaker 2: fighter and it's making emergency landing in Chinese territory.
Speaker 1: You see, this shit just keeps getting.
Speaker 2: Worse, right, and then it gets super tense, right, and
Speaker 2: after twelve days of an intense standoff, the authorities released
Speaker 2: the crew and President George W. Bush expresses regret over
Speaker 2: the death of the Chinese pilot and the landing of
Speaker 2: the US plane. It just things just got kept getting weird.
Speaker 2: Right while all this is happening, you got to remember
Speaker 2: North Korea is still going crazy. Right. So in two
Speaker 2: thousand and five, are Secretary of State. He has this
Speaker 2: idea to where he's like, listen, like it or not, Man,
Speaker 2: China on the come up. We need to start talking
Speaker 2: to them, as what he was calling a responsible stakeholder
Speaker 2: because because since they on the come up, we could
Speaker 2: start using a influence maybe to help peace everywhere else. Right,
Speaker 2: so help us get in good like basically plug us
Speaker 2: with people like Sudan and like North Korea. You feel
Speaker 2: me in like Iran to get into this like international system. Man,
Speaker 2: like stop being weirdos like, man, let's all make this
Speaker 2: money together.
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 2: North Korea is like man, fuck yo system. I don't
Speaker 2: care about nobody, none of this shit. I'm making nukes.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be nobody little brother. Right, which
Speaker 1: is the door of Korea? We know now?
Speaker 2: So that's when they run their first no nuclear tests
Speaker 2: and China was supposed to serve as a as a
Speaker 2: mediator to try to bring North Korea back to the table.
Speaker 2: I remember, like I said, you got to think of
Speaker 2: these as people North Korea like man, fuck y'all. Man,
Speaker 2: I ain't nobody's love homy. You're gonna put respect on mine?
Speaker 2: I want, I don't want. I don't want to be
Speaker 2: China's love homie that they responsible for. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be bigger than China. You need to respect me the
Speaker 2: way you respect China. How to China, get that respect.
Speaker 2: We got to go back to the nineteen sixties.
Speaker 1: In they mind. They're like, well, that's cause they got newts. Nigga,
Speaker 1: you respect the nigga with newts.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and seven, right, China starts saying, Oh, I
Speaker 2: see the game. I see the difference between how I
Speaker 2: get from the varsity team to the NBA, how I
Speaker 2: go from the D League, G League to the NBA.
Speaker 2: I need to start spending money on this, on this army.
Speaker 2: Them niggas raise they budget by eighteen percent.
Speaker 1: In the defense.
Speaker 2: It's two thousand and seven, they spending more than forty
Speaker 2: five billion dollars, increasing their military expenditure on an average
Speaker 2: of fifteen percent. And at the same time they telling
Speaker 2: everybody like, look dog like man, We're just trying to
Speaker 2: be another peaceful member of this global community. Nigga whatever.
Speaker 2: And I wish the motherfucker would That's what you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, That's that's what China doing right now,
Speaker 2: right listen. And then in two thousand and eight, really
Speaker 2: the table's turn, China surpasses Japan as the largest holder
Speaker 2: of US debt. Now you remember in the messing with
Speaker 2: my money is messing my emotions. I told you all
Speaker 2: about other countries holding people's debt. It goes to about
Speaker 2: six hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Now the power.
Speaker 2: Dynamics shifts because we kind of need China. Now how
Speaker 2: China getting all this stuff together? This puts you in
Speaker 2: a rare position. If you got a relative that always
Speaker 2: got money and you know how they get their money.
Speaker 1: You know exactly how they get their money, but are
Speaker 1: from you really need that money?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you in a quandree ancient. Oh we know what
Speaker 2: China do today, workers, we know what they do, we
Speaker 2: know how to go, but we really really like our stuff.
Speaker 2: Twenty ten, China becomes the second largest economy. They surpassed Japan,
Speaker 2: and according to Golden Sacks, they gonna be the biggest
Speaker 2: world economy. They're gonna surpass us by twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Now we're getting in closer to modernized. Now we're in
Speaker 2: twenty eleven because we finally get it. That's where the
Speaker 2: bread at. So US says, Okay, we need to start
Speaker 2: really thinking about Asia much more than Secretary of State
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton outlines what she's calling pivot to Asia right,
Speaker 2: which is called increased investment diplomatic economic, strategic, and otherwise
Speaker 2: Asia Pacific region. And it's the reason we're doing that
Speaker 2: is it seems like America's just haters. We was over
Speaker 2: here creeping on a cut again from China's perspective, we
Speaker 2: just allway here creeping on a come up, and you
Speaker 2: just salting the game. You just being a hater, like
Speaker 2: only you're only investing in here so that we don't
Speaker 2: be on top.
Speaker 1: And it's like this shit is weird at this point. Now.
Speaker 2: So one of those things is President Obama announces this
Speaker 2: sort of free trade agreement and plans to send twenty
Speaker 2: five hundred marines into Australia, right because Yo, we're about
Speaker 2: to do a Transpacific partnership, right, multinational free trade agreement.
Speaker 1: Man, let's all make this money.
Speaker 2: And that was that pivot right in Beijing, Like nigga,
Speaker 2: you think I don't know what you're doing. Twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: it gets real weird. US has a trade deficit with China.
Speaker 2: Rights it goes up to two hundred and seventy three
Speaker 2: point one billion dollars in twenty ten and all time
Speaker 2: increase right since twenty eleven. At this point, the United States,
Speaker 2: the EU, and Japan file a request for consultations with
Speaker 2: China at the World Trade Organization over its restricting on
Speaker 2: exporting of rare earth medals. What was China doing, Nigga
Speaker 2: getting ready for this chip shit? The United States and
Speaker 2: its allies contend that China's quota violates international trade norms,
Speaker 2: en forcing multinational firms that use these medals to relocate
Speaker 2: to China. China calls the move rash and unfair, while
Speaker 2: vowing to defend its rights in trade disputes.
Speaker 1: Now, I just obviously that sounds like I was reading
Speaker 1: because I was. Now, let me tell you what that means.
Speaker 2: China was like, oh shit, we have something that the
Speaker 2: future absolutely needs in the stage rare metals. What if
Speaker 2: we don't send them to you? You see that long
Speaker 2: pause that if you want to participate in the future,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, iPhones, electric cars, solar panels, you
Speaker 2: just gonna have to move your factory here because we're
Speaker 2: not sending it. America and everybody else was like, hey,
Speaker 2: you can't do that. You see how we never agree
Speaker 2: on shit, and China like, Nigga is our earth. It
Speaker 2: did come out the ground here, we can we can
Speaker 2: decide what we're gonna export or not export. They like,
Speaker 2: that's not fair, Fan, you creating an unfair thing. And
Speaker 2: China was like, China could be like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: neither was slavery.
Speaker 1: Uh. So there's that.
Speaker 2: Now fast forward to twenty twelve, China got this new leadership.
Speaker 2: This is the eighteenth National Party of Congress. Includes the
Speaker 2: most significant leadership turnover in decades, which meant that seventy
Speaker 2: percent of the members of the country's mavored leadership bodies
Speaker 2: right are replaced. Xijingping becomes the president. Now we're coming
Speaker 2: into a landing onto modern.
Speaker 1: Names and people. We understand.
Speaker 2: Now. May twenty fourteen, the US Supreme Court indicts five
Speaker 2: Chinese hackers with alleged ties to the Chinese People's Liberation
Speaker 2: Army on charges of stealing trade technology from US companies.
Speaker 2: In response, Beijing suspends cooperation and the US China Cybersecurity
Speaker 2: Working Group. Now what am I talking about? This was
Speaker 2: all over the news. I think there's a Uh, there's
Speaker 2: a New York Times episode about this. Uh listen, listen,
Speaker 2: listen to what China was doing.
Speaker 1: Nigga and shit is crazy. China was finding.
Speaker 2: People who were first gen, second gen whatever it was,
Speaker 2: who was working at high tech companies. Usually what people
Speaker 2: do is this, you get a tech you try to
Speaker 2: reverse engineer. You find this, you know, you find an
Speaker 2: iPhone on the ground, you know what I'm saying. Whatever
Speaker 2: it is, you take it to your office, you take
Speaker 2: it to your factory, you take it apart. And what
Speaker 2: you're trying to do is figure out the technology. You're
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what y'all did. And that's called
Speaker 2: reverse engineering. Right. What China was doing was this less work, smarter,
Speaker 2: not harder. China was like, nigga, everybody that's there in
Speaker 2: America making the shit are Chinese because their schools suck.
Speaker 2: Now there's another side story about this about Taiwan, right,
Speaker 2: because why Taiwan became which is a whole other story
Speaker 2: which is super dope white. Taiwan became a place where
Speaker 2: like all these engineers that invented the computer chip in
Speaker 2: the way that we understand it as now, they were
Speaker 2: homie that did that was from the States, moved back
Speaker 2: to Taiwan, saw what Taiwan was going through, called all
Speaker 2: the hommies and was like, nigga, why don't you just
Speaker 2: come here?
Speaker 1: You could just build your own factory. So he just farmed.
Speaker 2: Everybody told him to come home created what they got
Speaker 2: did difference here in China. China was China slick. China
Speaker 2: would hit fools up and would be like, who still
Speaker 2: got relly here?
Speaker 1: Nigga, this shit is brilliant. Who still got really here? Okay?
Speaker 2: They would call homeboy. I mean this, it is a
Speaker 2: true story. They would call him and be like, yo, hey,
Speaker 2: I heard you worked on the tech that made I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm making this part of that made, you know,
Speaker 2: the AI for all of the you know, chatbots that
Speaker 2: are in the customers service thing. You know, when you
Speaker 2: go to like a website like your bank or whatever,
Speaker 2: and it says like if you need you know, assistance,
Speaker 2: there's a little text window that pops up. That's an AI.
Speaker 2: You know that's not to bot. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You've been working with bots forever. But anyway, let's just
Speaker 2: say he was like, Yo, I heard you as the
Speaker 2: head software designer for that.
Speaker 1: That's dope.
Speaker 2: Hey, would you come give a lecture back home in
Speaker 2: China where your family live. Where they at they up
Speaker 2: near wuhan Oh. Okay, word, hey, look, fly everybody out.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, fly everybody out, just go visit,
Speaker 2: you know, go visit Grandma on them and then when
Speaker 2: you ready. You know what I'm saying, We'll send a plane,
Speaker 2: we'll send a car. Whatever, you come down to Beijing.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's far. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you need a plane for Beijing. I'm not looking at
Speaker 2: a map, but you could whatever. They say, like, Yo,
Speaker 2: we'll send for you. You know what I'm saying, you come,
Speaker 2: do this thing, make a little presentation right now. You
Speaker 2: the polo Chinese tech here is like, damn, that's dope.
Speaker 2: How much you're gonna pay? And they like, yo, whatever
Speaker 2: you want geez right. They're like hell yeah, and they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, a matter of fact, like I said, we'll
Speaker 2: cover you, cover you come with your family. We just look,
Speaker 2: we just want to learn. And they're like all right,
Speaker 2: bet well this is what we want to learn. We
Speaker 2: want to know, Like, Yo, how did you write this script?
Speaker 2: Because little dude, little does that pole guy know this
Speaker 2: company in China been trying to reverse engineer his tech
Speaker 2: this whole time.
Speaker 1: So basically he's just like, why don't you just bring
Speaker 1: it your tech? Right?
Speaker 2: But you can't just ask a dude that so you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just come do a lesson for us. It's like okay, cool,
Speaker 2: well this is what we need to know. And most
Speaker 2: of the time people are smart enough to be like, well, uh,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I can't just like.
Speaker 1: Print out a PDF of what we build. They're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, that's not what I'm asking you
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: I'm asking you to just like just talk about like
Speaker 2: your parts, Like oh word, okay, damn, all right, well
Speaker 2: I can tell you about my parts, but I can't
Speaker 2: tell you all day. Okay, yeah, cool, no problem, And
Speaker 2: then they keep just wearing Homie down until eventually and
Speaker 2: even the kids, the class that they're talking to is
Speaker 2: not class. They're not college students. Their engineers from this company,
Speaker 2: this Chinese company. And then they're asking questions, Yo, but
Speaker 2: when you did this, then how did it come up
Speaker 2: with this? And the only way to answer the question
Speaker 2: from them kids air quote kids is to just tell
Speaker 2: you the trade secrets. The reason I noticed is because
Speaker 2: the FBI did this or the CIA did a sting
Speaker 2: on it. They sent to fake they set up a
Speaker 2: whole fake call to see how that basically ran the
Speaker 2: game that China ran because they was trying to catch
Speaker 2: somebody selling these trade secrets and to figure out if
Speaker 2: this is really how Chining to do it, that's how
Speaker 2: chrying to do it. And then eventually, you know, they
Speaker 2: fly you out for ten g's, then they fly your
Speaker 2: wife out. Then they say, hey, just come kick it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We'll just go get a beer.
Speaker 2: And then you know what I'm saying, you want to
Speaker 2: do a vacation, you feel me? And at the beer,
Speaker 2: it's like, yo, actually, man, I was reading through that.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: You left your flash drive last week. And when you
Speaker 2: left your flash drive, oh shit, if you built that
Speaker 2: little PowerPoint presentation on your work computer, your work computer
Speaker 2: connected to your it T servers at work, your boss
Speaker 2: knows exactly what you downloaded. Nigga, you just gave China
Speaker 2: trade secrets. Now China got the tech and you got
Speaker 2: to remember we racing against China as a crime, but
Speaker 2: you got baited.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 2: So what we would do in the United States, like
Speaker 2: Foreign Relations, is we would be like, okay, look, you
Speaker 2: can go to jail for fifteen years or you can
Speaker 2: you know, be an informant for us.
Speaker 1: We need to catch the guy that baited you and
Speaker 1: showed up. That was some of the steps we would do.
Speaker 2: This all happening, nigga, like while we're alive, Like this
Speaker 2: this real spot shit.
Speaker 1: Going on right now.
Speaker 2: So excuse the US for feeling weird about a balloon
Speaker 2: flying over you know what I'm saying, because like it's
Speaker 2: always been weird with us, you feel me now while
Speaker 2: all that is happening behind closed doors. Of twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: the joint Climbate announcement happens. Because remember, we're killing the planet, right,
Speaker 2: both of us race it to the top. We're killing
Speaker 2: the planet. So during the Asian Pacific Economic Cooperation Summit,
Speaker 2: President Obama and President she issued his joint statement about
Speaker 2: climate change, pledging to reduce emissions, and Obama sets a
Speaker 2: more ambitious target right for US emissions and cutbacks, and
Speaker 2: she makes China's first promise to curb their carbon emissions
Speaker 2: growth by twenty thirty. And these commitments are very special.
Speaker 2: Was because we two of the world's top polluters, right,
Speaker 2: and it was supposed to boost momentum.
Speaker 1: You see how weird our relationship is.
Speaker 2: Because we on top, but we kind of it's always
Speaker 2: at any moment it could go up. And China's attitude
Speaker 2: even about this climate shit is like, well, nigga, y'all
Speaker 2: had one hundred year head start of polluting the land
Speaker 2: that made y'all rich. I want them a hundred years.
Speaker 2: Why I gotta stop doing that. Nigga, You've been polluting
Speaker 2: the world one hundred years longer than us. I gotta
Speaker 2: I gotta meet the same level you gotta meet. Like, nigga,
Speaker 2: let me get up, Let me get some of that bread.
Speaker 2: You just mad because I'm about to I'm second in line.
Speaker 2: You just mad because I'm finnna take your throne. But
Speaker 2: there's still a chance, like I said, where things could
Speaker 2: go up. Right. In twenty fifteen, at the fourteenth Annual
Speaker 2: Shangri La Dialogue on Aging Security and You, US Secretary
Speaker 2: of Defense Ashton Carter calls on China to hot all
Speaker 2: this controversial land reclamation efforts in the South China Sea,
Speaker 2: man saying like, yo, y'all just can't be like creating
Speaker 2: all this like militarization of this disputed territory. Nigga, that's
Speaker 2: place ain't yours. You gotta just be building a base
Speaker 2: over there. And then ahead of this conference, the U
Speaker 2: officials say that we know what we're talking about because
Speaker 2: we got surveillance images over this spot seeing you building
Speaker 2: some shit China.
Speaker 1: Like, what the hell you doing over our chain of islands?
Speaker 2: Nigga, What we build over here, first of all is
Speaker 2: none of y'all goddamn business.
Speaker 1: But what we did build is just for It's just
Speaker 1: civilian stuff. Nigga. You and I both know it ain't
Speaker 1: civilian stuff.
Speaker 2: But America. Like yo, again, things was going cool for
Speaker 2: a little bit there. You ain't gotta be like that.
Speaker 2: Then all of the sudden, Donald J. Trump Trey talking out. Listen,
Speaker 2: I'm honor to one China policy, Right, I like G
Speaker 2: because again G moved like Trump in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: Right Trump, dude, break all the rules. He was like, listen,
Speaker 2: I speak to the tie when he's president if I
Speaker 2: feel like it, he questioned in the US Commitment to
Speaker 2: One China policy. Watching this policy for four decades has
Speaker 2: recognized that there is but one China under the policy
Speaker 2: of the United States, and has maintained formal proplities for
Speaker 2: people's public of China, while also maintaining some unofficial kind
Speaker 2: of on the low tides with Taiwan.
Speaker 1: Including the Provision of Defense AID right.
Speaker 2: Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, visiting Beijing in March, describes
Speaker 2: US China relationships as built on non confrontation, no conflict,
Speaker 2: no rich or respect. You know, no conflict, no reach respect.
Speaker 2: So basically, I'll stay out of that shit. Don't tell
Speaker 2: me who to kick it with. I won't tell you
Speaker 2: who to kick it with.
Speaker 1: I get it. You believe in one China. I get it.
Speaker 2: I ain't fin art. I ain't going back and forth
Speaker 2: with you over that. But Taiwan's the hommies. But if
Speaker 2: that's gonna salt the game with y'all, like listen, then
Speaker 2: just you know, we will keep it off the books.
Speaker 1: It's whatever.
Speaker 2: But like nigga, I'm gonna talk to whoever I want
Speaker 2: to talk to. Trump in twenty seventeen brings jijingping over
Speaker 2: to mar A Lago. Right. They have a little two
Speaker 2: day stummit in Florida, right where they talking about trading
Speaker 2: in North Korea and all that stuff, and Trump talking
Speaker 2: about we made tremendous progress, right, and a deepened understanding
Speaker 2: of trust and building. In mid May, the US Commerce
Speaker 2: Secretary William wilbur Ross unveils a ten part agreement between
Speaker 2: Beijing and Washington, explaining trades through stuff like like like
Speaker 2: beef and like poultry and all this good stuff. He
Speaker 2: was like, Yo, look we hit in a new high man.
Speaker 2: This thing't gonna be all good on trip because again,
Speaker 2: Trump like, look, I'm a business man. You feel me
Speaker 2: like we're gonna we're gonna be all right. Now, they
Speaker 2: didn't talk about aluminum in car parts and steal because
Speaker 2: remember China like, oh, nigga, I'm not that's fucking with
Speaker 2: the bag. I ain't gonna mess with our bag. Right,
Speaker 2: But remember you can't never trust Trump because after that happens,
Speaker 2: Trump announces sweeping tariffs on Chinese imports right worth at
Speaker 2: least fifteen billion dollars in response to what the White
Speaker 2: House alleges is Chinese theft of US technology and intellectually property.
Speaker 2: Now here's where, if I'm gonna keep it real, I
Speaker 2: respect Trump's moves right there, because Trump was like, nigga,
Speaker 2: you think I don't know you steal in trade secrets,
Speaker 2: so you gonna steal our tech, sell us the shit
Speaker 2: back at a premium on some shit that you only
Speaker 2: know how to do because we built it. Damn that nigga,
Speaker 2: So what tariff is essentially a tacks like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: charge you this much to be able to sell to us.
Speaker 2: You want to sell over here, nigga, you gotta pay
Speaker 2: up fifty billion. I want fifty billion dollars on top
Speaker 2: of whatever you go if you want to sell here,
Speaker 2: a nigga, I need fifty billion up front.
Speaker 1: I need my money. Gj in ping, Like what I
Speaker 1: thought we was cool? I thought everything was okay. I thought, finally, baby,
Speaker 1: we was gonna make some money.
Speaker 2: Trump like, I don't give a fuck about your money
Speaker 2: cuz you don't think I know what you're.
Speaker 1: Doing, homeboy, And I'll be honest with you. I fussed
Speaker 1: with that. I think Trump's moving.
Speaker 2: That moment was kind of all right, cause it's like, nigga,
Speaker 2: you gonna play me, I'm gonna play you. Then you know,
Speaker 2: uh Mike Pence old, uh, you know mayonnaise is too spicy?
Speaker 1: Head ass jumps up and.
Speaker 2: He delivers his speech, trying to be very clear, like
Speaker 2: let me let y'all understand how we feel about China.
Speaker 2: We using this tariffs to stop this economic aggression. Like nigga,
Speaker 2: y'all feeling too froggy, I don't like how y'all moving,
Speaker 2: y'all building this yap, y'all building this military, y'all doing
Speaker 2: all this shit, which like, if we're gonna be mask
Speaker 2: off the same stuff we do, that's all. They doing
Speaker 2: the same thing we do, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But they're like, man, I'm super cool. I don't like
Speaker 2: all this shit that you're doing, right, and we don't
Speaker 2: like how you're treating people right now, Chinese Ministry of
Speaker 2: Foreign Relations says, basically, what the fuck? Man? Like you
Speaker 2: just this is you making these groundless at you? Just
Speaker 2: why are you talking like this? Why your chestall puff?
Speaker 2: You ain't gotta be like this again? From day one,
Speaker 2: I just don't like how y'all move. You ain't gotta
Speaker 2: you don't have to be like this. Well, but that's
Speaker 2: how we be. And in December twenty eighteen, we ask
Speaker 2: Canada to arrest this guy Ming Wanzhau, the chief financial
Speaker 2: officer of Chinese tele Electronics Company, and he's arrested in
Speaker 2: Canada because we asked him to. Right, we believe this
Speaker 2: these fools violated those trade sanctions against Iran and committed
Speaker 2: fraud and requests her extradition. Right, again, please forgive my
Speaker 2: American tongue in pronouncing y'all's names. So China, what seems
Speaker 2: like what China does is they retaliate. So they detained
Speaker 2: two Canadian citizens, who officials accused of undermining Chinese security, saying, Nigga,
Speaker 2: y'all arrested. Maing is just this is just a serious
Speaker 2: political incident.
Speaker 1: You need to let her go.
Speaker 2: What the fuck like and why is you ask in
Speaker 2: Canada to do some like again China, Like, I just
Speaker 2: I just don't like y'all. Like I be trying to
Speaker 2: like you, I just don't like you. The US is
Speaker 2: like nigga, we trying to be cool. I'm trying my
Speaker 2: best to be cool, but I just I just don't
Speaker 2: like y'all. Eventually, in March twenty nineteen, that that that
Speaker 2: that company that that got.
Speaker 1: Arrested, they suit the United States.
Speaker 2: They was like, y'all are horrible, and remember like we
Speaker 2: still trying our best to maintain technological supremity over China.
Speaker 2: So the administration launches like this super aggressive campaign warning
Speaker 2: that any countries whoever use day five G, that that
Speaker 2: Chinese five G network, I'm gonna consider you a spot.
Speaker 1: Then the Trade wars, get get get horrible.
Speaker 2: Now that's the stuff that we just lived through that
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, I got to go through over that. Right,
Speaker 2: US called China a currency manipulator. Now that's mainly symbolic.
Speaker 2: They basically saying, man, you just moving the you you
Speaker 2: move in the bar man like you like money is
Speaker 2: supposed to be worth a certain amount, and what what
Speaker 2: the moves y'all doing are? And this shit is not fair.
Speaker 2: Will like what you're doing, but it don't really do anything.
Speaker 2: And then right after that, Trump announces even higher tariffs.
Speaker 2: He talked about on three hundred million, three hundred billion
Speaker 2: dollars worth of goods. Right, this means that everything in
Speaker 2: the United States imports from China is now facing taxes,
Speaker 2: and Beijing is like, nigga, you fucking up your own bag,
Speaker 2: You messing up your own people. Everybody's goods are made
Speaker 2: in China, all the factories are here. So you saying this,
Speaker 2: you saying you punishing them, dumb ass, You punishing your
Speaker 2: own people. Which is while I say in the beginning,
Speaker 2: I like Trump's energy, but he ended up punishing the
Speaker 2: rest of us. Because you know what that meant all
Speaker 2: of our prices went up. That meant that everything costs
Speaker 2: too much. You an't remember that then, because we just
Speaker 2: don't like them. Mother. Trump signs an act supporting the
Speaker 2: Hong Kong protesters. You remember, remember Hong Kong went crazy
Speaker 2: and they was demonstrated to get China. Remember they were crazy.
Speaker 1: Trump was like, oh, yeah, no, man, I'm with it.
Speaker 1: I'm with y'all's freedom.
Speaker 2: Trump ain't with they freedom, but he understood that that
Speaker 2: like that throws salt in the game on China, right,
Speaker 2: But again, China is like, nigga, this is just like
Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight, y'all always choosing somebody else, like I
Speaker 2: don't you say you are friend? Like this shit does
Speaker 2: not work. Then January twenty twenty, phase one of a
Speaker 2: trade deal. Right then it gets even worse when the
Speaker 2: tensions sore over COVID nineteen. Now the pandemic hits. You
Speaker 2: go all the way back to March. Remember during the
Speaker 2: pandemic that we ain't like how they was moving like
Speaker 2: I was doing it. Now China expels these American journalists
Speaker 2: in March of twenty twenty. They kick our journalists out
Speaker 2: in the middle of a pandemic. Were like Listen, nigga,
Speaker 2: this is god.
Speaker 1: I hate this shit.
Speaker 2: Right in July fourth to twenty twenty, Trump ends Hong
Speaker 2: Kong's special status. Right two weeks after Beijing passes a
Speaker 2: new national security law for Hong Kong, President Trump signs
Speaker 2: in executive order ending the city's preferential trade status with
Speaker 2: the United States. Then, just to be petty, just cause
Speaker 2: the coronavirus to China virus. It sparks the whole age
Speaker 2: of that thing out this book, fam, we just He
Speaker 2: also signs legislation to sanction officials and businesses that undermine
Speaker 2: Hong Kong's freedom and autonomy. Chinese officials threatened to impose
Speaker 2: retaliatory sanctions on the US individuals and entities. China is like,
Speaker 2: if you don't stay the fuck out of our business,
Speaker 2: why are you always here?
Speaker 1: And America is like, nigga, because you.
Speaker 2: Because you're everywhere, Like you messing up our game too.
Speaker 2: Then in twenty twenty, China closes a consulate, makes it
Speaker 2: even worse twenty twenty. Also in twenty twenty, in July, right,
Speaker 2: Pompeo says, listen, I'm trying to talk to y'all.
Speaker 1: This shit is falling apart. Nigga, we just don't like
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: It is what it is. Now. Fast forward to twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, US designates because again it China, they're a
Speaker 2: repressive government like you. I can't I don't know what
Speaker 2: else to say. They designate China's abuse of the Weiger
Speaker 2: people is as a genocide because it was right. The
Speaker 2: Wiger is like is this is a Muslim ethnic group, right,
Speaker 2: primarily from China's Xijang region, right, And the United States
Speaker 2: was the first to be like, nigga, you're committing you're
Speaker 2: committing a genocide against them. We can't just I don't
Speaker 2: care how good your products is, Nigga, that's a genocide.
Speaker 1: I can't just be cool with this.
Speaker 2: China again is like stay the fuck out of our business.
Speaker 2: Then you remember the Olympics in twenty twenty two, how
Speaker 2: we was there but kind of not there. We didn't
Speaker 2: send no diplomats because we was kind of being like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're cool, but we not cool.
Speaker 1: All the way to now.
Speaker 2: Each February fourth, twenty twenty three, we shoot down a bullet.
Speaker 2: So excuse us for being a little extra over Anthony
Speaker 2: Blinkin going.
Speaker 1: To China. Damn that was long but.
Speaker 2: So important. Now I'm not sure to make of what
Speaker 2: the last report was. Do we still what's our stance
Speaker 2: on Taiwan? It's basically the same. Do we need to
Speaker 2: make money these people? Yes, we basically need to make
Speaker 2: money with these people. Are we ever gonna be cool
Speaker 2: with them? I have no idea, but I tell you what,
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to deal with them because they're not
Speaker 2: going nowhere, and we better figure out how to figure
Speaker 2: this shit out.
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