WEBVTT - Always Choose Love

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, They're welcome to our podcast Conversations with Delia Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And do we have an amazing treat for you? In

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast we're having a conversation. I'm having a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with amazingly talented man, but such a humble man. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure if you like country music at all, then you

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<v Speaker 1>have heard the poignant story of Joey and Rory Feke. Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you watch their TV show, if you saw them

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<v Speaker 1>on on the country special Can You Duet? Uh? Several

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<v Speaker 1>years ago that launched them into superstardom with the Joey

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<v Speaker 1>and Rory Show. They had a television show that they

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast from their home and then um, a few years ago, tragically,

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<v Speaker 1>Joey was diagnosed with cancer shortly after she had given

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<v Speaker 1>birth to their beautiful baby girl, Indiana. Indie and Rory

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<v Speaker 1>has written a beautiful book that I was gifted. It

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<v Speaker 1>was given to me even before it was released, and

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't put it down. It was so beautifully written. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>very real, very honest, very poignant, but so much wisdom

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<v Speaker 1>and truth within the pages. And now I get to

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<v Speaker 1>have an amazing conversation with Rory Feke. This conversation was

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<v Speaker 1>recorded before he won his first Grammy, and he dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>it to his beautiful wife, Joey Uh, a poignant little

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<v Speaker 1>speech that made me cry. Uh. They he won the

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<v Speaker 1>Grammy for Um, their gospel album that they did. They

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<v Speaker 1>started recording it after his wife was diagnosed with cancer,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of her recordings were done as she

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<v Speaker 1>was recovering or surviving the cancer treatments. And so this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation that I had with Rory Ficke I had prior

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<v Speaker 1>to just a few days prior to him going to

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<v Speaker 1>receive the Grammy and winning the Grammy, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>promised Joey Uh that he would go in her honor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been less than a year since she passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that had to be so difficult for him,

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<v Speaker 1>but he promised her that if they were nominated, he

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<v Speaker 1>would go, and in fact, he did win the Grammy.

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<v Speaker 1>But this conversation I had with him was recorded just

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<v Speaker 1>two days before he won that Grammy. And so I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to introduce you to just a sweet and humble man,

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<v Speaker 1>as you're about to hear, Rory Feeke, how are you? Hi? Rory,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm awesome. How are you? I'm doing very well, and

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a book that was just released called This Life.

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<v Speaker 1>I Live One man's extraordinary, ordinary life and the woman

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<v Speaker 1>who changed it forever. Yes, ma'am, I do. I have

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<v Speaker 1>been reading the book and I thought, Okay, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to get to talk to this guy and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the book. So I'm just gonna dog tag each page

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<v Speaker 1>where there's something profound that really touched me, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bring those one or two points up and let

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<v Speaker 1>me count. Hold on, you're ready, one, two, three, four, five, six. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically what we're gonna do here is we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>read the whole book on the air. Ah. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful test, AMMONI a beautiful story. Well, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. I um. I'm just honored to get to

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<v Speaker 1>tell more of more of my wife's story. And the

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<v Speaker 1>best way to tell more of her story is to

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<v Speaker 1>back it up too long before her and I met,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's that's really how I ended up telling my

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<v Speaker 1>story too. So I'm going to share a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things from the book. I'm just gonna try to read

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<v Speaker 1>these without without completely losing it. And it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be hard because as I was reading your story, there

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<v Speaker 1>were so many things that either paralleled my life or didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>if that makes sense. And it was the things that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't that really got to me. But so many beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>things you said, and I just want to I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to share a couple of those. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm probably gonna cry when I read this. But in

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<v Speaker 1>chapter five, you said, she did the best she could.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. All the years of being upset, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to try to start this again. That's it. All the

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<v Speaker 1>years of being upset and disappointed by my mother and

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<v Speaker 1>the choices she made came down to one truth. My

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<v Speaker 1>mom did the best she could with what she had,

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<v Speaker 1>and that truth has set me free. Man. Some powerful

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<v Speaker 1>stuff there. Well, it's funny. I didn't know that until

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote that. It isn't like this book is filled

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<v Speaker 1>with things that I knew before I wrote the book

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<v Speaker 1>and I needed to get them down on paper. What

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<v Speaker 1>I knew was that I had something that needed to

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<v Speaker 1>be said, and I was going to try and remember

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<v Speaker 1>it and find some perspective on my life. And as

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<v Speaker 1>I started writing about my mother, the truth just fell out.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of those truths I didn't actually understand until

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<v Speaker 1>I started looking at the bigger picture and that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of them was that she really did the best she it.

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<v Speaker 1>I had realized it, and I had come to really

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<v Speaker 1>love my mom and um accept her for who she

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<v Speaker 1>was and who she would had been trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>before she passed away. But I'm not sure that I

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<v Speaker 1>knew why I had accepted it. In writing the book,

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<v Speaker 1>it helped me to understand that, you know, she she

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<v Speaker 1>liked me, made a lot of mistakes in her life,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of them are scary, scary, scary ones to

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<v Speaker 1>face up to. But at the time where she was

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<v Speaker 1>making those decisions, she made the best decisions she could

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<v Speaker 1>make with where she was. And that's that's all we

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<v Speaker 1>can ask of anybody. And I'm proud of my mom

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<v Speaker 1>because as time went on, like me, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>think she made better decisions and and she tried to

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<v Speaker 1>be a better woman, and it was clear, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's really all you can do is keep trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be better and and grow a little bit. And she

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<v Speaker 1>did a great job of that. But I see such

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<v Speaker 1>a a beautiful tenderness in your words and such just realistic,

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<v Speaker 1>honest to goodness forgiveness and healing and redemption. Mm hmm. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one one reason that I think I'm learning to forgive

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<v Speaker 1>is that I I've been forgiven greatly. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's an easy statement, I think, especially as Christians

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<v Speaker 1>and in church, you know, that's the that's the phrase

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<v Speaker 1>we hear a lot and that God forgives all of

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<v Speaker 1>our sins and that's that's an amazing thing. But for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a very practical person, so that doesn't that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make me warm and fuzzy. I don't feel anything from that.

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<v Speaker 1>But when someone forgives me for something that's unspeakable, that's different,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a tangible thing that changes me. And and then

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to take it backwards and think, Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's how God is and that's the forgiven that's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>I needed to see it that way to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to understand the way that it works somewhere else. I

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<v Speaker 1>needed to see real forgiveness that's given to me, real

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<v Speaker 1>forgiveness that I that I it's I've watched and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't deserve. And that made me not only kind of

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<v Speaker 1>have a bit of perspective on how God forgives me

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<v Speaker 1>for my mistakes, but also on how I should forgive

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<v Speaker 1>others for theirs, and that's helped a lot. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I try and keep in mind, whether it's my mother

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<v Speaker 1>or stranger or someone working with or whatever, it is

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<v Speaker 1>that phrase that we've all heard, which has hurt people,

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<v Speaker 1>hurt people, and it's it's now become whatever comes to

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<v Speaker 1>me that it feels like someone's someone's making it hard

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<v Speaker 1>to love them. My first response these days is most

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<v Speaker 1>of the time that they must be hurting rather than

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<v Speaker 1>they're hurting me. And that's helped a lot. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you've you've learned the same thing with your

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<v Speaker 1>mother and other folks too. Is some of those people

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<v Speaker 1>that we love the most, they hurt us the most

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<v Speaker 1>because we love them the most and we desire their

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<v Speaker 1>love the most. That makes it harder. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, I think the forgiveness part has really helped me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the way that I've been forgiven and loved

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<v Speaker 1>in spite of I didn't deserve it. So let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that chapter. Can we forgiven greatly? You really

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<v Speaker 1>bared your soul there, sir. Yeah? Wow, how hard was

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<v Speaker 1>it to to write that and to confess that and

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<v Speaker 1>to put it out there for the world. To read

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<v Speaker 1>not that hard. Strangely, I think if you and I

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<v Speaker 1>were having dinner and you ask about my wife and

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<v Speaker 1>I have marriage and and our life before, I would

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<v Speaker 1>have told you that. And I think that it's funny

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<v Speaker 1>how life works out that you the things that you're

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<v Speaker 1>most ashamed of, you want to you know, hide away

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<v Speaker 1>in a closet and create a goodness that nobody um

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<v Speaker 1>finds out about. Those are the kind of things that

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<v Speaker 1>you find yourself reaching to first to tell people about,

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<v Speaker 1>because those are monumental moments that change everything. And for

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<v Speaker 1>all the folks that have followed my wife and I journey,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the last five months as she was dying

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<v Speaker 1>of cancer, it might have looked like we've had this

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<v Speaker 1>perfect relationship and and where these amazing people and my

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<v Speaker 1>wife is amazing. But I definitely have a story that

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<v Speaker 1>came that was that was a little different for a

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<v Speaker 1>long long time before my wife came along, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I found myself a little different, a little different, a

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<v Speaker 1>little different. Well, I couldn't not want to share that

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<v Speaker 1>with everyone. I have found myself thinking you you even

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned this in the book, that everywhere I go

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<v Speaker 1>people hugged me or they want to take a picture.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to ask how you are, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>love me, and they love my baby daughter and my

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<v Speaker 1>wife and my children. And these are all strangers, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's an amazing thing. But they only really

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<v Speaker 1>know part of the story, and that's an amazing story.

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<v Speaker 1>But to me, the most amazing part is the part

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<v Speaker 1>that I get to tell now in a book, which

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<v Speaker 1>is how far God has taken me and Joey and

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<v Speaker 1>I in our marriage and and we're still on a journey.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's just as important as the beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>part that everybody has seen or watched on television in

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<v Speaker 1>our lives or heard in our music. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>just as important to share those those difficult times. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was excited about sharing it. Although that's quite a

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<v Speaker 1>change for me. If you'd ask me fifteen years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have been that this is confession session now

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<v Speaker 1>on my part. Let me just let everybody know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Rory Feke. Uh incredible musician, incredible songwriter. But

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<v Speaker 1>as famous. As you open your book, you say that

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<v Speaker 1>you are famous for love, that you are famous because

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<v Speaker 1>you fiercely and completely and totally love your wife and

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<v Speaker 1>your children, and and you your your girl's own daddy's heart.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I, um first encountered your story, when I

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<v Speaker 1>first was introduced to you by my girlfriends Joanie and

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<v Speaker 1>jan who are huge, huge, huge followers and fans um

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<v Speaker 1>and just love what God has has done with you,

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was a little put off by how

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<v Speaker 1>sweet and tender your marriage was. Not put off is

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<v Speaker 1>not the right word, but it just seemed to picture perfect. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And when I got the advance on your book, I

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<v Speaker 1>expected to read this picture perfect um, you know, Sleepless

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<v Speaker 1>in Seattle love story boy first two chapters and I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whole lot more to this man than his

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<v Speaker 1>bib overalls and and how much he adored because let's

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, Rory, who wouldn't adore Joey. Yes, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>She's so beautiful, so talented, and such a good human being.

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<v Speaker 1>It just oozes out of her. I mean that, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's the essence of who she is, is, just that

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful soul God created and wrapped and wrapped in that

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful body. And so I thought that you guys are

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<v Speaker 1>the Sleepless in Seattle story until I read your story.

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<v Speaker 1>But but you don't realize we actually are the sleepless

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<v Speaker 1>in Seattle story. It's just that there's more to it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think that's amazing, you should hear all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I and I you know, i'd love to get your opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you probably, like you said, you probably expected

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<v Speaker 1>it to be more of the same, more gushy, mushy,

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<v Speaker 1>hard to believe stuff. The other thing that seemed important

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<v Speaker 1>and my wife and I talked about it because I

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<v Speaker 1>actually had been offered the chance to write a book

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<v Speaker 1>while Joey and I were still together, and we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and I talked about what what I might write,

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<v Speaker 1>and we both felt like, as as much as people

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<v Speaker 1>have been rooting for us and praying for us, especially

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<v Speaker 1>her caring for us um and encouraged by our story,

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<v Speaker 1>we both felt like, you you really want people to

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<v Speaker 1>be encouraged, make yourself more vulnerable and share the parts

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<v Speaker 1>that are hard to share, because that's the part that

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<v Speaker 1>people are going to be able to see themselves in,

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<v Speaker 1>the part that marriage is so beautiful, which yes, it

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<v Speaker 1>became very beautiful. That's that's rare. But the part that

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<v Speaker 1>it's a struggle or your your your own personal walk

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<v Speaker 1>with faith is a struggle or your choices have been bad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the part that I think people need to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I my wife and I both felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we need to share that. And so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad you feel like that was the right thing. It

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<v Speaker 1>gets a little scary, I guess, because you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, but I feel like that's the story

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<v Speaker 1>I'm given. I should I should be honest with it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I thank you for being honest with it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for telling the back story as much as

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<v Speaker 1>you did, because you're right, you can't really appreciate what

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<v Speaker 1>God did in your life, or in your marriage, or

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<v Speaker 1>in your community, or in your music until you know

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<v Speaker 1>what you had been through and what you put yourself through.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there was the first part you wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>what you had been through that you had no choice over,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and and the way that you came to forgiveness

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<v Speaker 1>of your mom and your dad and your siblings and

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<v Speaker 1>all that, and then you owned it and you you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the choices that you made and the things

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<v Speaker 1>that you put yourself through. And I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>read one paragraph here because to me, this so far

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<v Speaker 1>what I've read and I'm not quite finished with the book,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is what was the most profound for me.

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<v Speaker 1>You say in your book this life I live Rory.

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<v Speaker 1>My world and my people were welfare and food stamps

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<v Speaker 1>and cars that didn't run, and ex wives and pain

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<v Speaker 1>and sorrow. I felt like if I became a real Christian,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be neutered, that all the real fun and

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<v Speaker 1>life would go away. Yes, I would be more honest

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<v Speaker 1>and a better man, but I'd be vanilla and plain

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<v Speaker 1>and and nobody. And I didn't want to be that.

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<v Speaker 1>To others, I might have looked like someone who was successful,

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<v Speaker 1>but inside I was still a nobody and that scared me.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. There is so much profound honesty and vulnerability

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<v Speaker 1>in that one paragraph. I don't know if you know

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<v Speaker 1>when you wrote that, how real that is and how

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<v Speaker 1>real that was to all of us whose lives we're

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<v Speaker 1>not h idyllic. And I think one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>is is that that's a lot of what we see.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think a lot of the Christian culture

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<v Speaker 1>just says that you that you, that's what it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like to people on the outside, and we're a little different,

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<v Speaker 1>we're a little more real I find myself really more

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<v Speaker 1>connecting and understanding the people who don't go to church

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<v Speaker 1>more than the people who go to church. I'm more

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<v Speaker 1>interested in those who are just struggling through their day,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out what's wrong? Why is there life

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<v Speaker 1>so empty? I can only connect with those people, the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are already in three Bible studies and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make their marriage work and get closer and closer.

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<v Speaker 1>And they grew up with a perfect life or close

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<v Speaker 1>to a pursuit of perfect life and parents. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what to do with that, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>understand the ones that are hurting and they have nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>to turn, and what it looks like to them on

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<v Speaker 1>the outside is that it won't be any fun, and

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<v Speaker 1>it won't be exciting, and it won't be magic. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing that I think I didn't put in

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<v Speaker 1>the book. But I wanted an extraordinary life. And for me,

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<v Speaker 1>as a boy or a teenager or a young person

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<v Speaker 1>in my twenties, I thought, an extraordinary life looks like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's very very successful in the entertainment industry or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. And what's not successful, what's not extraordinary,

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<v Speaker 1>is just a regular marriage and a regular day of

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<v Speaker 1>going to work and coming home and making dinner and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and putting the kids to bed. That didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel extraordinary. But as time goes on and I start

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<v Speaker 1>to realize that's actually extraordinary, especially in this culture, to

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<v Speaker 1>be happy with that and be a really good person

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing. And a lot of those things we reach

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<v Speaker 1>for as in pop culture that we think are amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>when you get there, they're not that amazing. But even

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<v Speaker 1>more than that, the part that resonated with me was

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<v Speaker 1>that in my fear of being neutered, it was an

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<v Speaker 1>awful lot. Like when I met my wife and she

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<v Speaker 1>and I was thirty or forty thou dollars in tax

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<v Speaker 1>debt and she just immediately said, from this moment on,

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<v Speaker 1>you're cutting your credit card up, You're not getting cash

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<v Speaker 1>back if you go to Kroger. You don't get any

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<v Speaker 1>money for anything. We pay everything on time, We pay

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<v Speaker 1>it ahead of time, and that's it. And I thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you might you just have neutered everything about what makes

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<v Speaker 1>life fun, and it's going to be terrible. But what

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<v Speaker 1>ended up happening is I did and understand the fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>laws that are in place which is if you do

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing, magic happens. And financially, we became blessed

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<v Speaker 1>because we didn't try and take a you know, take

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<v Speaker 1>an easier road, and holding back before we got married

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<v Speaker 1>change things for us. And all the things that we

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<v Speaker 1>did that I thought were going to make it not fun,

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<v Speaker 1>they are the things that have added up to this

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<v Speaker 1>incredible life that I've got to be part of, enjoy,

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<v Speaker 1>has got to be part of. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>so much that I'm an unbelievable songwriter or guitar player

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<v Speaker 1>or singer or something. I think it really has to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. When I was younger, I spent too much

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<v Speaker 1>time trying to be a great songwriter. And as I

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<v Speaker 1>got older, I realized if I could spend more time

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be a great man, that songwriting things going

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of itself, and God might even opened

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<v Speaker 1>wars that I could never open on my own on

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<v Speaker 1>my own. And so what's happened is those fears of

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<v Speaker 1>being neutered and being vanilla were replaced by magic. That's

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<v Speaker 1>when magic shows up. Rory, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>spending all this time with us, for sharing your heart

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<v Speaker 1>with us, for sharing your family with us in the

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<v Speaker 1>book for sharing your heartbreak but also your honesty. There

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<v Speaker 1>was some some really honest things you wrote that I

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<v Speaker 1>know we're hard to write, so thank you for sharing

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<v Speaker 1>those with us. Um And I just want to pray

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<v Speaker 1>that God will bless you and comfort you and be

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<v Speaker 1>with you and your precious little girl. You're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>conversations with Delilah our podcast series, I hope they bless

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<v Speaker 1>your heart and with one