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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And there she is ridiculous Crime.

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Speaker 3: Here I am. How are you captain ridiculous Crime?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty well. I have to say this is

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Speaker 2: a good one for me. I like to hear that

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Speaker 3: You I am full of whimsy.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I love when you're full of whimsy and rice.

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Speaker 2: It's a combo. I got a question for you. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I do you know that I'm really particular about sense?

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Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, either like fancy candles or perfumes and so,

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Speaker 3: I you know, I'm like I said, particular is probably

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Speaker 3: the kindest way I can put it.

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Speaker 2: How I would put it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And is with personal fragrance, you have to it

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Speaker 3: has to be something that people discover when they get

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Speaker 3: close enough to you. It can't enter the room before

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with that. But I think that with some

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Speaker 2: people you can smellet from a few feet away and

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Speaker 2: it would be pleasant.

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Speaker 3: I guess. But you know you're not supposed to spray

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Speaker 3: it on your clothes. You spray it on your bare skin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, so I have you know, I got a lot

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Speaker 2: I give like seven pumps to my shirt. So that's

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Speaker 2: not what I should do.

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Speaker 3: That is perfect with the dreg ar noir.

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Speaker 2: Yes, cool water.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, So since right like it's I feel like you

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Speaker 3: get what you pay for a lot of times too,

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Speaker 3: I would totally agree. Yeah, so that said, uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of like celebrity perfumes.

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Speaker 2: So beyond Elizabeth Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Beyond white Diamonds. Yes, that's going to be the name

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Speaker 3: of my biography, Beyond white Diamonds, the other Elizabeth I got.

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Speaker 3: I got a celebrity perfume for you. And this this

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Speaker 3: comes to us from Sophia Smith on Instagram. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: I am, but the messenger Saren and I guess she

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Speaker 3: is too, because the real culprit here is Pizza Hut Canada.

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Speaker 2: I thought, for a second you were just going to focus.

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Speaker 3: On a like talk about a cool person who has

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Speaker 2: I fell for it again. Check me out Charlie Brown

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Speaker 2: with the football.

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Speaker 3: I guess they hit one hundred thousand Facebook followers and

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Speaker 3: to celebrate that, they decided to come up with a perfume.

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Speaker 3: And it's called oh dey Pizza Hut, of course, and

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Speaker 3: it has top notes of freshly baked, hand tossed dough,

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Speaker 3: and so you know they they there's a press release.

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Speaker 3: Of course, all true celebrities deserve their own perfume, and

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Speaker 3: Pizza Hut is no different. And what began as a

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Speaker 3: fun Facebook post, okay, it goes on, it just gets

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Speaker 3: worse and worse. They only made one hundred and ten

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Speaker 3: dinglings who follow them on Facebook in Canada.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and ten of this Canada.

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Speaker 3: This is all Canadian and so okay, fine, so they

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Speaker 2: It's like a Ryan Reynolds.

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Speaker 3: Perfume probably, and then here's going to make Here's here's

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Speaker 3: the absolute horror at the end of the press release. Right,

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Speaker 3: so they're talking about, oh, you know, you can smell

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Speaker 3: like when you're opening a box of pizza, and it's

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Speaker 3: so great and I think it's just like a doe

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Speaker 3: yeasty smell. Anyway, here's the bad part end of their

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Speaker 3: press release. Don't forget to check out Facebook dot com

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Speaker 3: slash Pizza Hut Canada to find out about great deals,

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Speaker 3: exciting new Pizza Hut product innovations open Parenz such as

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Speaker 3: hot dog stuffed crust pizza and I'm just I stopped reading.

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Speaker 3: I fell down, I lost time, I lost a time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was your punishment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hot dog, stuffed crust pizza.

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Speaker 2: Do we know who the celebrity is?

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Speaker 3: I thought I loved Canada?

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Speaker 2: Do we know who the celebrity is?

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Speaker 3: Pizza hut?

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Speaker 2: That's the celebrityelebrity or not they had like a partnership.

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Speaker 3: Eww, Now you were thinking celebrity zaren corporations? Are people

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Speaker 2: It is?

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Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I got something for you that's ridiculous. It doesn't involve

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Speaker 3: Darn it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Elizabeth, this one is my kind of crime story.

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Speaker 2: In fact, this story could easily be like a movie

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Speaker 2: starring Matthew McConaughey. Okay, wait, I'm getting a signal from

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Speaker 2: one of the interns. Okay, I was just handed a note. Really,

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Speaker 2: is that right?

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Speaker 3: Huh? What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Cordedor interns? The story already was made into a movie

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Speaker 2: starring my man, Matthew McConaughey way back in nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: The Newton Boys.

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Speaker 3: The Newton Boys, like the creators of the fig Newton.

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Speaker 2: Like Isaac's brothers, Now here we are life imitating art.

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Speaker 2: That's imitating life. Okay, isn't that ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 2: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous. Oh yeah, Elizabeth Saron, Where should

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Speaker 2: we start with this one?

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Speaker 3: At the beginning?

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Speaker 2: Well, since I already mentioned the movie, I guess we

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Speaker 2: might as well start there.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety eight, just a seven few years after

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Speaker 2: Point Break was released, the world was blessed with a

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Speaker 2: movie that was made to celebrate the lives and legends

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Speaker 2: of a family of Texas outlaws known as the Newton Gang.

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Speaker 3: Newton Gang.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these brothers, they were all brother were wildly famous

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Speaker 2: and popular into the nineteen twenties nineteen thirties, but over

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Speaker 2: the ensuing decades their fame dwindled as it became just

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Speaker 2: yet another Texas legend.

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Speaker 2: They were this healthy and rather unique mix of train

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Speaker 2: life gangsters. Oh really, yeah, they rob banks and trains

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Speaker 2: from Texas to Canada and back again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the film The Newton Boys that I've just

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Speaker 2: both men were born in Uvalde, Texas. Really yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: curious right. Ethan Hawk played big brother Jess Newton Hawk

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Speaker 2: And lastly you had Skeet Ulrich. Oh stop it, baby

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Speaker 3: Wait, the late nineties of this just washed over, skeet Ulrich.

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Speaker 3: Now there's a name I haven't heard in a dog's age.

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Speaker 2: Juliana Margoleze plays a love interest. What yes? And the

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Speaker 2: film was directed by Texas filmmaker Richard link Letter co

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Speaker 2: wrote the script with a pair of authors who had

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Speaker 2: penned the definitive book on these Texas outlaw gangsters.

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Speaker 3: I've never heard of this, see neither.

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Speaker 2: Now despite the stellar.

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Speaker 3: Cast, Scott Skeet Origen, how do we skip that?

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Speaker 2: How big was the hole that this fell through? Despite

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Speaker 2: the you know, the stellar cast, the lauded filmmaker, expert

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Speaker 2: source material, the film is this forgotten movie of the nineties.

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Speaker 2: You can ask a lot of people and they've never

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Speaker 3: We have to have a screening, of course now.

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Speaker 2: Film critic Roger Ebert he gave the film two stars

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Speaker 2: of yes. In his review, he wrote that quote, the

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Speaker 2: film chronicles their criminal career in a low key, meandering way.

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Speaker 2: Were hanging out with them more than we're being told

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Speaker 2: a story. There are a lot of conversations about the

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Speaker 2: profession of bank robbery, which as a topic for conversation

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Speaker 2: is not a whole lot more interesting than double entry bookkeeping.

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Speaker 3: Did bank robbers hang out and talk about bank robbing

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Speaker 2: Yes, in that movie, but this wasn't enough of a

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Speaker 2: low key disc the whole double entry bookkeeping. Roger Ebert

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Speaker 2: also wrote that link letter quote just doesn't seem as

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Speaker 2: interested in the Newton boys. Sure they were great bank robbers,

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Speaker 2: but their very success may help explain why their legend

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Speaker 2: Nelson or pretty Boy Floyd. They were efficient professionals. And

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Speaker 2: the movie sits there on the screen like a biopic

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Speaker 2: of a traveling salesman who cracks safes instead of prospects.

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Speaker 2: Huh So, yeah, there he got another disc. He had

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Speaker 3: But Roger Ebert was a gem.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love, Oh my god. Yes, two thumbs up

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Speaker 2: for Roger. Now I promise not to repeat the storytelling

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Speaker 2: mistakes of Richard Linkletter. Apparently, because in the Newton Gang

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Speaker 2: are far more than traveling salesmen are boring double entry bookkeepers.

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Speaker 2: They are crime legends. From what I learned really in

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Speaker 2: the Great Depression. The Newton Gang robbed somewhere between ninety

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Speaker 2: Apparently, Yeah, some we're in there. I think it's closer

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Speaker 3: They also, let's just let's say it's four hundred.

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Speaker 2: No, stay started two hundred they also.

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Speaker 3: Robe who's watching.

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Speaker 3: You can't do anything about it now.

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Speaker 2: They also robbed at least six trains, because I said

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Speaker 2: train robbers now, including the largest train robbery in US history,

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Speaker 2: possibly in world history. I didn't check all the numbers

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Speaker 2: on that, but if you want to stack them up

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Speaker 2: against the other legends of outlaw life, the brothers stole

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Speaker 2: more money than Butch Casting and the Sun Dance Kid,

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Speaker 2: the Dalton Boys, as well as Frank and the Jesse

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Speaker 3: Yeah, put together, put together.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I know you like this part. They never

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: In fact, they were known for being polite bank robbers.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I really love it, which might also.

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Speaker 2: Explain whether they're not remembered with the likes of John Tilling, Sure,

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Speaker 2: baby Face Nelson and pretty Boy Floyd Yeah, who'd soon

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Speaker 2: follow in their outlaw ways just a few years later. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Big brother Willis Newton, he put it like this quote.

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Speaker 2: We never killed anybody. We never wanted to. All we

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Speaker 2: wanted was the money. Robin banks and trains was our

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Speaker 2: way of getting it. That was our business, okay, right, straightforward?

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Speaker 3: Very straightforward.

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Speaker 2: So what's the story of the Newton brothers and their

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Speaker 3: Great, what is the story? Let's ask Matthew mccomay.

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Speaker 2: As Willis Newton put it, quote, nobody ever give me

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Speaker 2: anything but hell in my life, and I've never done

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Speaker 2: anything I was ashamed of doing either. I love that spirit. Right.

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Speaker 2: At one point late in life, in nineteen seventy five,

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Speaker 2: If you're named after a river, let mean, come on, yeah. Now,

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Speaker 2: And if you'll send you give him education, there's no

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Speaker 2: So despite their early taste for walking the outlaw path.

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Speaker 2: If you ask Willis, the Newton boys didn't graduate to

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Speaker 2: No, So he turned around he sold it to another

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Speaker 2: So of course that first cotton gin operator they go

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Speaker 2: They decided that's good enough. To hell with it. They

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Speaker 2: A few months later, the law catches up to his brother,

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, so that's basically what they do. They're the

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Speaker 3: See that's the thing that gets you. You don't want

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Speaker 2: After they're recapturing after spending many years behind bars, the

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Speaker 2: He pardons the two brothers and they're released. So Still

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Speaker 2: So nineteen fourteen, same year he's released from prison, Willis

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Speaker 2: train on New Year's Eve, December thirty first right. Training

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Speaker 2: the locomotive gets near this place called Klein, Texas. The

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Speaker 3: You know what a New Year's Eve for the rest

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Speaker 2: So after that first tastes of success, Willis Newton gets

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Speaker 2: The Newton gang will take shape and get into bank.

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Speaker 2: Rub and we're back.

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Speaker 2: You ready to hop on a fiery steed, yank down

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Speaker 3: Go hop on a steel horse and show them the

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Speaker 2: Good good, I like that. Now, before we mosey in

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Speaker 3: Across their teacher predicts totally, But if you hear from them,

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Speaker 2: In November of nineteen eighty, the last surviving member of

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Speaker 3: For being a bank robber, not for something he'd done something,

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Speaker 2: He was seventy nine years old at the time and nearing,

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Speaker 2: Now it's Johnny.

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Speaker 3: This is when late night TV its peak, right.

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Speaker 2: So the crowd laughs at his candor. Johnny follows up

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Speaker 2: Great anyway, Johnny and the audience laugh. Joe Newton continues

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine so.

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Speaker 2: Since it's nineteen eighty and not the nineteen twenties, and

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Speaker 2: Another reminder why young uns shouldn't follow the Newton Gang's path,

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Speaker 2: Later finished that same thought by adding that why shouldn't

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00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: I steal from them? It's just one thief stealing from another.

442
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 2: You can hear like the Revenuers era in nineteen thirties

443
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: is going to be coming around. So you know with

444
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 2: the dust Bowl area, it hit Texas and Oklahoma in

445
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: that area first, they were already basically in the Great

446
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 2: Depression in the twenties anyway, hard to argue with the

447
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,959
Speaker 2: simple folks. He dust down home vest bowl logic. Anyway.

448
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 2: After Willis Newton and his friend had that initial success

449
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: with the train robbery, Willis crossed the Red River. He

450
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 2: heads on up to Oklahoma to join up with a

451
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 2: real outlaw gang. They become bank robbers, and so with

452
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: his new crew, Willis robs his first bank in a

453
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: town called Boswell, Oklahoma. The score was another hefty take Elizabeth.

454
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 2: They walked away with about ten thousand dollars, which again

455
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like very much. Twenty twenty six dollars. That'd

456
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 2: be three hundred and eighteen dollars.

457
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 3: Wow, that's handy, good score.

458
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's more than what's in the drawer.

459
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

460
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 2: Now he bounces around the Texas, Oklahoma area for the

461
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 2: next two years. And remember keep in mind Oklahoma is

462
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: recently a new state. In nineteen twelve, becomes the state

463
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: it used to be Indian Territories. People are used to

464
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 2: having outlaws run through it, so that's what they're thinking,

465
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: and Willis Newton was arrested. He gets arrested in nineteen

466
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 2: seventeen doing a bank job, and this starts a run

467
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 2: of bad luck for him. He's arrested again in Texas

468
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 2: and he gets sent back to the state prison. At

469
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: this point, in nineteen seventeen nineteen eighteen, four out of

470
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: the five Newton brothers are locked up in various prisons

471
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: in the state of Texas. Oh yeah, there's Wiley aka Doc,

472
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: as well as Jess and Joe, all of them behind

473
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 2: bars along with Willis. But get this, his luck flipped

474
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: right back around, because the next year, in nineteen eighteen,

475
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: Willis is given a second pardoned by a Texas governor.

476
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: Oh I love it.

477
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 2: So a man named William P. Hobby with that second part,

478
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: and he's released from the state prison and goes off

479
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: to you know, re engaged with his life. Once he's free,

480
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: Willis goes right back to criming. He's like, I ain't done.

481
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 3: What else is he gonna do?

482
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean exactly. He didn't never get that education.

483
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: So he joins up with a new gang in Nard

484
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 2: Wells and they start committing a series of nighttime robberies

485
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: of local stores in places like Dennison and Abilene and

486
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: Walder and even in Dallas, Texas. Right around that same time,

487
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: Doc Dwton, his brother escapes from prison, he high tails

488
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: it over the border up to Oklahoma, where his brother

489
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: Willis and Joe are now hold up and pulling jobs

490
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: of their own. Soon enough, by the turn of nineteen twenty,

491
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: Jess Newton it gets released from prison, so he rejoins

492
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: his brothers in Oklahoma, and Willis convinces them all that

493
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: they should start their own gang. He's like, I've been

494
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 2: bumping around with all these numbskulls and we could do

495
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: this right, right. They got enough of them, So once

496
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: the Newton brothers are all reunited, they formed their own

497
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 2: outlaw gang. They decide to bring in one outsider to

498
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: round out their crew. When Willis is working with the

499
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 2: other crew breaking into stores, pulling bank jobs and whatnot,

500
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: he learned about how to use nitroglycerin to blow a

501
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 2: bank vault, so he tells his brothers that they need

502
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 2: to get their own nitro man, right, So they bring

503
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: in a man. He knows this demolitions expert named Brent

504
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 2: slash John Glascock. So you see, his name is John

505
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: Glasscock and Brent Glascock, so we'll be going with both

506
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: the anyway. It's a curious name for a demolitions expert.

507
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: Now that we have their nitro glycerin guy, the Newton

508
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: Gang gets to work robin banks like true pros. Starting

509
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty, they rob banks in Texas, Oklahoma. They

510
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 2: even manage their way up to Iowa. At one point

511
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: they steal roughly a half million dollars in victory and

512
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 2: liberty bonds still from the Warriors. Only problem for them

513
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: they didn't know is the war is over and the

514
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: bonds have been registered, which makes them essentially worthless to

515
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: cash in. So they got all this worthless paper. They're like,

516
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: we need to stick to coin and actual cash. Newton

517
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: Gang undaunted, they keep robbing banks. They keep bouncing around

518
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 2: the country, never staying in any place too long. They're

519
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: basically now cyclone bank robbers. From November twenty one to

520
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: December of nineteen twenty two, in roughly one year's time,

521
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: the Newton Gang hits banks in Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Indiana, Missouri,

522
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: even on up into Canada.

523
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: Busy boys, oh right.

524
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: Their specialty is a tactic that would soon be made

525
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: famous by pretty boyd Floyd Babyface Nelson John Dollinger, which

526
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: is they buy extra fast cars. They're really particular fans

527
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: of Studebakers and this one model called the Big six

528
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: or the Special six. Okay, as you might imagine, the

529
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: Big six had a big six cylinder engine. You see,

530
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighteen and nineteen nineteen, Studebaker produced this convertible

531
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: car with a three hundred and fifty four cubic inch

532
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: straight six engine. Good god, it was extremely popular with

533
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: folks who like to go fast. Yeah, so bank robbers,

534
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: rum runners that sort right, Big six could get up

535
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: to eighty miles per hour or for folks across the pond,

536
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty kilometers per hour. Meanwhile, the cops

537
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: they were still pretty much rocking Ford Model Ts. Yeah,

538
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: so that old ten Lizzie wasn't nearly as fast enough

539
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: to keep up with the Studi Bakers.

540
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: Then they're like, oh, hitting the horn space seriously.

541
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: The top speed for a Model T in nineteen nineteen

542
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: was about how fast did your grandfather say, forty five

543
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: mile per hour or seventy two kilometers an hour. That

544
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: made it real difficult for the coppers to catch a

545
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: Big six Scoter Baker on country roads in high pursuit.

546
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: So from November twenty one to December twenty two, the

547
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: Newton gang. They robbed bank after bank after bank, and

548
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 2: they always got away. They robbed a mail train in Bells, Texas,

549
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: another one in Bloomberg, Texas. They hit up banks in

550
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: San Antonio. Then in one night they hit two banks

551
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: in Hondo, Texas, like basically across the street.

552
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: Two and one night.

553
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and they're blown up a nitro glicering at

554
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: like two thirty in the morning.

555
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: This town loses two banks in one night.

556
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: Small town.

557
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

558
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: They also rob banks in San Marcos, New bron Foals,

559
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: burn pearsall Texas. Then they headed north and hit a

560
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: bank in Gallatin, Missouri, and another in Lafayette, Colorado. Doubled

561
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: back east. They robbed banks in tab and later Spencer, Indiana.

562
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: Not done, they hopped over the border into Canada. They

563
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: went on a run of bank jobs in our neighbor

564
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: to the north. They hit a bank in this town

565
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: called Melita, another one in moosemin Manitoba. Like small towns

566
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: out of the way nowhere. Then they hit a bank

567
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 2: in the big city of Toronto, Ontario. They're like, let's

568
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 2: just turn Look.

569
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: Are there fast cars just crammed with cash?

570
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean they're also spending cash real fast.

571
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of them so and they're breaking it

572
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: up and then they're using it to buy whatever they wantasoline,

573
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: nice suits, going out to the best restaurants. The brother

574
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: I'll get back to that company. Oh you know it. Now.

575
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 2: The brothers often rob banks after hours and they could

576
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: work undisturbed, and then they would use their nitroglisser and

577
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: to blow the bank vault. Other times they went in

578
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: during business hours when they just walk right in. The

579
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: brothers were known to be polite to both customers and

580
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: staff alike. They weren't just like preferential. Yeah now, bank

581
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: managers not so much, but anyway, bank employees, various customers.

582
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: They would tell the police that the Newton gang seemed

583
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: to go out of their way to not only to

584
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: not hurt anyone or use violence, but they were exceedingly polite,

585
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: good like Texas boys, and very charmed. They took great

586
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: care to make sure anyone older, perhaps distressed or say pregnant,

587
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: was made to feel comfortable during the robbery. Look, let

588
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: me get you padded seat and all that kind of stuff.

589
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: I mean, basically crime aside. They've been raised to have

590
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: good manners. That's what I'm trying to say. Well, now,

591
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, and it should be reiterated, they

592
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: never killed anyone in all of their hundreds and hundreds

593
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: of bank chops, So kudos to them for being so

594
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: professional and well disciplined.

595
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

596
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: Now, as for their use of explosives like nitroglycerin, the

597
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: Newton Boys would typically use that at night when no

598
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: one else was in the bank. Then they knew they

599
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't have to worry with hurting anybody. Yeah, sometimes they

600
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: might use a bit too much. For instance, there's a

601
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: couple of times when their explosives expert was still tinkering

602
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: with his recipe because they're using liquid nitroglitcer and they're

603
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: polling it on like rags and into the cracks of

604
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: the vault. Okay, And then they would use like a

605
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: dynamite to like bust the vault door open and the

606
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: nitroglitcer and we'd catch it and we blow the hinges

607
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: and blow them. You get the idea. There's this town

608
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: called San Marcos, Texas, and there's apparently a bronze plaque

609
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: that celebrates one of the Newton Gang's bank robberies in

610
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: the town.

611
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

612
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: You know, like we were robbed by them. It's like

613
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: a George Washington slept here. It was like Newton gang

614
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: Robb does so. At the intersection of West Hopkins Street

615
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: and North Guadalupe Street, there's a marker located near one

616
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: hundred West Hopkins Street if you happen to be close

617
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: in the area, and it reads and I quote. About

618
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: nineteen fourteen, the Newton brothers Jess, Willis, Doc and Joe

619
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: were getting tired of facing mules rumps as they plowed

620
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: their daddy's Callahan County farm, so they drifted in into

621
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: train and bank robbery in a four year career that

622
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: took them through the Midwest and central Canada. In nineteen

623
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: twenty three, they broke into this building in the early

624
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: morning of January fourth, through rob the old State Bank

625
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: and Trust Company. They poured so much nitro on the

626
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: vauldor that the side of the bank was partially blown

627
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: away and coins showered across the street as they made

628
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: their haul and casually escaped. Consequently, the Texas legislature dramatically

629
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: increased the penalty for the illegal use of heavy explosives

630
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: so good. They were so good they changed Texas state

631
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: law typically Willis was the brave one. He'd climb up

632
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: the telephone poles and he would cut the telephone polled lines. Okay,

633
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: then they would break into the bank at night. They'd

634
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: pour the liquid nitroglycerin into any cracks or gaps. As

635
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: they said, then they're explosives experts, glasscock. He would sight

636
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: it all off with sticks of dynamite. After the smoke

637
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: and the dust cleared, the Newton gang would then gather

638
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: up the loot, rush back to their STUDI Baker Big six,

639
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: and tear away into the night, knowing the local cops

640
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: couldn't catch them in their far slower tin lizzies. Yeah,

641
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: and if anyone tried to like phone or telegraph to

642
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: the other police down the road, they'd find, Oh, the

643
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: wires have been cut. The town has cut off the

644
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: whole town. There's only so many wires back then. So

645
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: to help along their targeting of which banks to hit,

646
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: Willis he bribed this insurance company insider who worked with

647
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: the Texas Association of Bankers, who then handed over to Willis.

648
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: A list of banks that used older safes for their

649
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: bank vaults. Stop the kinds that would be susceptible to

650
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: nitro glicer in.

651
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

652
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: So on July twenty fourth, nineteen twenty three, during their

653
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: cross border run of bank jobs in Canada, the Newton

654
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: Gang they're up in Toronto where they doubled up their tactics.

655
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: They robbed the bank messengers in broad daylight, who are

656
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: just walking around with currency and coins they had on them.

657
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: They're like and then they're like, wait, where are you

658
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: guys going? Where are you taking this? So then they

659
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: head on over to the Toronto currency clearing house, Oh

660
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: my god, and they try to like rob the whole place,

661
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: like rather than one in in a time in it

662
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: and they're like all of them.

663
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: That sounds like, you know, go to the source.

664
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, totally. And so the Newton Gang they find

665
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: that a few of the Canadian bank messengers they weren't

666
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: like those pushovers down in Texas. Yeah, apparently the Canadians

667
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: were tougher.

668
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: Than the Americans to tussle.

669
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: There was a squabble over the coins. A few of

670
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: the Canadian bank messengers just wouldn't hand over their bags

671
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: of gold and silver coins and instead they refused things

672
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: get heated and so heat. In fact, sometime later the

673
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: Canadian bank messengers they get into it. The Newton Gang

674
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: fists turn into gunfire, oh, which mushrooms into a full

675
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: on gunfight, the firing back and forth each other. Newton

676
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: Gang escapes unscathed. The messengers none of them are killed.

677
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: A couple get winged, but no one gets killed. And

678
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, it's their mo They don't

679
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: take a life. Once they flee the dangerous Canadian streets.

680
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: The Newton Gang returned to US with about eighty four

681
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: thousand dollars of Canadian loot. And that doesn't sound like

682
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: a lot necessarily, but that'd be one point six million

683
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six dollars from that clearinghouse. Yes, wow,

684
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: so it was so much money to enjoy. The Newton

685
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: boys enjoyed the high life down in Chicago, as Joe

686
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: Newton had explained to Johnny Carson. They did, indeed eat

687
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: at the finest restaurants. They drove the fastest, coolest cars,

688
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: they wore the cleanest suits. They lived it up like

689
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: as much as you can in nineteen twenties luxury. They

690
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: went to the Kentucky Derby and they enjoyed the parties there.

691
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: They sipped on mint julips and whatnot. They hit up

692
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: nightclubs and speakeasies and numerous downtowns from Kansas City on

693
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: on up. They did it up nineteen twenty stars. Now,

694
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: despite their towering success as an outlaw gang, they were

695
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: not the focus of any multi state manhunt.

696
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: You're kidding.

697
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, one, the FBI didn't really exist yet. But yeah,

698
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: the more famous bank robbers that would follow them would

699
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: then make the FBI more of a necessity to be

700
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: able to cross state lines, because in nineteen twenty two,

701
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: if you cross state lines, it was like your crimes

702
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: were forgiven. It was like yeah car Blanche, right, Yeah,

703
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: until you robbed a bank in that state, you were fine.

704
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: You're like, I don't care what you do in Missouri.

705
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: Well, and their contemporaries were, you know, lighting places up there,

706
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: opening fire and killing people, and that's going to give

707
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: a lot more attention and heat totally.

708
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: And they're also remember just a couple of years ahead

709
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: of the like the real like Tommy gun toting, like

710
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: like Babyface Nelson, like shooting the place up. These guys

711
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: are coming in. They're they're almost like technological where they're

712
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: cutting off the communication. They go in, they blow the vault,

713
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: they clear out in a super fast car. Yeah, you

714
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: converted this all to like modern technology and be like

715
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: if you had like your own helicopter that's super fast.

716
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: And if you're a bank, you don't want to say like,

717
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: oh they got It's a different thing if they came

718
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: in and they sprayed the place with bullets and what

719
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: can we do? This was just what we didn't think

720
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: about that.

721
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to get a new new vault. I

722
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: guess now. Also, can I just say just really quickly yes.

723
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: When I was reading about this, I just kept thinking,

724
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: this is my dream. I mean to be a bank

725
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: robber and outlaw a desperado in a fast car, not

726
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: on a horse. They can get like ornery with you

727
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: or throw like a shoe, right, but like just a

728
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: fast car and a straight six Studi Baker working the

729
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 2: Midwest in Canada in the nineteen twenties when there's little

730
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: to no federal law enforcement like before technology was so dominant.

731
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 2: They're not like calling ahead. They're barely able to telegraph ahead.

732
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: And you know you could just basically if a big

733
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 2: six Studi Baker is your key to freedom. Oh my god,

734
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: dream time for me?

735
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: When and if we get a time machine we know

736
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: where you're going.

737
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred, yes, and it won't be I won't

738
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: be as successful because I'll kind of stick out a

739
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: little bit more, but I'm still trying it anyhow. This

740
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: is how the Newton Gang largely stayed off any federal

741
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: most Wanted lists. They were not violent. They were really

742
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: technologically savvy for the time, and so they got to

743
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: enjoy the fruits of their crimes. They enjoyed the laughter

744
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: of ladies who liked bad men. They got to gamble

745
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: and drink and cheer on race horses and you know,

746
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: dine on fat steaks and guzzled delicious illegal booze. Right.

747
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: Of course, even if the law wasn't necessarily hot on

748
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: their tail, they did also draw the attention of other criminals,

749
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 2: namely the organized crime syndicates in the Chicago Land area.

750
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: Oh they're getting a little close.

751
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because around they were like, hey, those guys

752
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: are kind of good. And if you know anything about

753
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: the nineteen thirties bank robbers, pretty Boy Floyd baby Face

754
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: and else, they start also migrating John Dillinger and dealing

755
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: with the Chicago syndicates with Capone's boys. I remember, like

756
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: when I was telling you about Capone's chauffeur. They were

757
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: using the same mechanic actually to get their fast cars

758
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: from him. So there's overlap. And they're like, OK, we'll

759
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: see when we get these guys to pull a job

760
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: for us, And unfortunately they agreed, oh boy, and ultimately

761
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: that would lead to their downfall. See, they got a

762
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: little greedy. They weren't like Robin Hood where they were

763
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: like heroes of like the working class. They weren't giving

764
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: out the money. Yeah, so they didn't really have like

765
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: all the people on their side they have to say

766
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: to say how Capone did with like oh turkeys at

767
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving all that, so they couldn't hide out as well. Anyway,

768
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: they get talked into pulling a job robbing a mail

769
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: train outside of Chicago, and that one decision would change

770
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: everything for the Newton Boys. The first Let's take a

771
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: little break, Elizabeth. Yes, and after these messages we'll hear

772
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: how it all goes wrong for the Newton Gang. Oh boy,

773
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: and we are back. Okay. So at this point, my

774
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 2: dudes are still living the high life and getting away

775
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: with it all, bouncing around living my dream tames, my

776
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: best life, not hurting nobody, living your aspirations as a criminal.

777
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: So how does it all go wrong? Great question, Elizabeth, Well,

778
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: I kind of already told you. They broke their pattern.

779
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: They went back to robbing trains, which they'd robbed in

780
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: the past. That wasn't a new thing for them. But

781
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: working with other gangs, especially the Chicago Syndicate, the Racketeers

782
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: as they were recalled at the time, that was kind

783
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: of new for them because mostly, you know, when they

784
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: robed trains, they just robbed the passengers and they got

785
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 2: whatever was in the safe on the train. Well, this

786
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: time they decided to rob a mail train. And it

787
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily their idea. And you know how we always say,

788
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: don't f around with the US Postal Service or you

789
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: will find out. Yep, Well they did and they did.

790
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: So.

791
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: It was June twelfth, nineteen twenty four. Newton Gang was

792
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: an Illinois they'd partnered up with some folks from a

793
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: Chicago crime outfit. Then they had their own plans to

794
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: rob a US mail train that was rumored to be

795
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: carrying three million dollars back then. Oh, that'd be about

796
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: fifty seven million dollars today. WHOA, if they pulled it off,

797
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: it'd be the largest train robbery in US history, possibly

798
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: a world history. Now, their partners were Chicago racketeer, two

799
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: guys from the syndicate, and an insider, a postal inspector

800
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: who told the gangsters all about this possible score. He's

801
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: it's going to be on this train on this day

802
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: at this time. So the plan was to hit the

803
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: train at a spot called round Out. It was and

804
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: remains an unincorporated area where there's this big train junction

805
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: outside of Chicago. Because remember Chicago was the big like

806
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: clearinghouse for meat and commodities back then, so they had

807
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: to get trains in and out of there. So this

808
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 2: was just outside of town, a place where you could

809
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: essentially you could turn a train around, you could redirect them,

810
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: you could have them crisscross trains. It was a spider

811
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: web of train tracks right, and this US Mail train

812
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: would be pulling through round Out and there it would

813
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: have to slow down enough that they could like hop on,

814
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: tell a guy to stop the train, then rob it

815
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 2: at their leisure, get back in their big six Studa Baker,

816
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: and tear off into the night. The target was this

817
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: thing called the Milwaukee Road. That's one Milwaukee road that

818
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: was the brand fast mail train, a Milwaukee Road Fast

819
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: mail train.

820
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 3: That sounds made up totally.

821
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: But you know what, Rather than me tell you more

822
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: about this, Elizabeth, close your eyes.

823
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 3: My eyes are closed.

824
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 2: I'd like you to picture it. It's a summer evening

825
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: in June of nineteen twenty four, and you are aboard

826
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: on Milwaukee Road Fast mail train car. You're happy to

827
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: have the work after your time working with a traveling

828
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: flea circus. That sounded like it would be fun. But

829
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: after a few weeks of fleecing families to see the

830
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: fleas perform in the circus, you decided to move on

831
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: to greener and more stable pastures. Your brother in law

832
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: connected you with someone he knows and got you a

833
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: job working as a postal worker on the mail trains

834
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: rolling out of Chicago. Seems like safe work. Tonight, it's

835
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: your fourth day on the job and you're looking forward

836
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 2: to ride in the rails west to deliver an express

837
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: car of mail. You heard that you'll be carrying a

838
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: sizable load of currency aboard the mail car, somewhere around

839
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: to the tune of roughly three million dollars. When the

840
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: train slows to change tracks and round out Illinois. You

841
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: figure it'd be a good time to take a coffee break.

842
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: You crack open your thermos. You pour yourself still steaming cupajava.

843
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: As the train slows to change tracks, and just after

844
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: you enjoy that first sip of the steam and brew,

845
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: you hear a commotion outside. You slide open the security

846
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: window to see what all the noise is about. There

847
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: is a gang of masked men pointing heavy weaponry at

848
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: the train car. The slow moving train comes to a

849
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: complete stop. Then the shouting begins. One of the masked

850
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: bandit shouts whoever is in the armored mail car to

851
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: throw out the mail sacks with the three million. He

852
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: means you, You and that other postal worker who is

853
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: also in the mail car with you. You both look

854
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: at each other, unsure what to do. More shouting from

855
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 2: outside the train car ensues again. They demand the three

856
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: million dollars in mail sacks to be tossed out of

857
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: the train car, or else a quiet dread takes hold

858
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: of you, or else. You're pretty sure you know what

859
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: that means. One of the masked men says he'll start

860
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: counting if you don't throw out the mail sacks with

861
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 2: the three million dollars in it. The masked men will

862
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: start blasting, and woe be unto you and anyone else

863
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 2: in that train car. The decision is yours. They begin

864
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: counting ten, nine eight. You and the other postal worker

865
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 2: lock eyes. He says, where are the mail sacks? Let's

866
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: do as they say. Is he in on it? You

867
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: wonder the outlaw bandits keep counting five, four, three, You

868
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: don't know what to do. Two one. No guns sound

869
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: that good. Maybe they're bluffing, you think. But then a

870
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: tear gas canister is lied into the armored train car.

871
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: It smokes and fills the air with a choking haze

872
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: of tear gas. The masked men shout, throw out the

873
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: mail sacks, or we start. The other postal worker faints

874
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 2: dead away. He hits the table where your coffee is sitting,

875
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: which sends your thermost cup of coffee into the air.

876
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: It lands with a tiny metal sound and the splash

877
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: of your coffee. You bend down to check on your coworker.

878
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: Lucky you did, because from the backside of the train

879
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: car you hear the rat tat tat sound of a

880
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: tiny gun and the big booming sound of a forty

881
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: five pistol. As both fire in unison, bullets begin to

882
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: pierce the weak points of the armored car. You lie

883
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: still on the floor. When the gunfire finally stops, you

884
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: hop up and shout, I'm tossing it out. You quickly

885
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: grab the mail sacks and start shoving them out the

886
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: window sloped one at a time. The mail sacks hit

887
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 2: the ground with a soft weighted thud, one after the other.

888
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: The masked men sound jubilant at the sight of the

889
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: mail sacks, until you hear one of them shout, Wiley,

890
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: you okay, they shot Doc. You don't know what they're

891
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: talking about, because neither you nor the other postal worker

892
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: drew a weapon, let alone fired one. You lie back down,

893
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: expecting the train car to be pierced by a fresh

894
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: round of bullets, but the guns never sound. Instead, you

895
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: hear the throaty engine of what sounds like a Studebaker

896
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: roar to light. The car drinks down gasoline as it

897
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: zooms off into the dark of a summer night. Later on,

898
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: when the authorities arrive, you dutifully report that you never

899
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: saw the faces of any of the masked men They

900
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: left in one car, but you did hear one of

901
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: the bandits shout for Willie or Wiley and that Doc

902
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: had been shot. Turns out this one piece of evidence

903
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 2: is all the authorities need to hear to begin their manhunt.

904
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: Good job you, good job me, I'm so good at

905
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: this yew.

906
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: There you go. That would be the final robbery of

907
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 2: the Newton gang. Wow. Years later, baby brother Joe Newton

908
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: recalled for Johnny Carson on The Tonight Show in nineteen

909
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: eighty how he remembered it all going sideways. So Johnny

910
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: Carson asked him, when did they catch you? Right after

911
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: the nineteen twenty four and Joe jumps in right right

912
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: after that one of our men. It wasn't us, but

913
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: if this one man was working with us, he got

914
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 2: excited and he bound. It had to be excitement because

915
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: he went up and went across on the other side

916
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: where he wasn't supposed to be, and he shot my brother.

917
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: Johnny Carson is concerned and has killed him, and Joe

918
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: Newton sort of lasts and no, no, no, he shot

919
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: him five or six times, with forty five he should

920
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: have killed him.

921
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 3: WHOA.

922
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: This wins far more laughter from the Ed McMahon and

923
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: Johnny Carson in the audience when he says his brother

924
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 2: got shot five or six times with a forty five

925
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 2: and it should have killed him.

926
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: That's incredible.

927
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Johnny Carson has forty five is a big

928
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 2: boar weapon that showed pretty well, and your brother recovered

929
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: from that, and Joe Newton sort of brags on his

930
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: big brother. Yeah, he recovered and lived to be eighty

931
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: three years old. So the story goes the explosives expert

932
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: glass Cock was standing on the other side of the

933
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: train car from Doc in some of the Newton gang.

934
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 2: He misunderstood what was happening with the whole countdown or whatever.

935
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: He just starts firing his forty five pistol and he

936
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: ends up shooting Doc a few.

937
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: Times friendly fire.

938
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: Yes. And so after that debacle with Wiley aka Doc

939
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: Newton and where you the bystander hear his name, it

940
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: didn't take the authorities long to track down the Newton.

941
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: Gag says, there's only so many Wiley aka Docs in

942
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: the book. So the law finally launches this multi jurisdictional manhunt.

943
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: Local authorities, state authorities, federal law enforcement. They all team

944
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: up to bring him to justice. And this is like

945
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 2: right before we're gonna get like Bonnie and Clyde level

946
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: of a communication. So they're bringing in that guy, Charles Hammer.

947
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: He's like, they bring in all these people, like Texas

948
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: law guys all day. Right, Soon enough, with local Chicago police,

949
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: they get a tip there was a report that a

950
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: wounded man with possible gunshot wounds or maybe possibly a

951
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: wound either way, he was holed up in a north

952
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: side Chicago house. Cops race up to the address off

953
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: this tip, and Doc Is there gets caught, as is

954
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: Willis and Joe. They also get hemmed in by the cops.

955
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: And now they got three of their four brothers. Yeah,

956
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: eldest brother Jess. He manages to flee Chicago. He heads south,

957
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 2: racing for the Texas border and the land he knows

958
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: far better than the muggy summer time of a Chicago suburb.

959
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: Right.

960
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: Apparently, he makes it out with a cut of the

961
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: stolen loot about one hundred thousand dollars, and he indeed

962
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: made it home to Texas. He made it all the

963
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: way down to San Antonio, which is low in Texas.

964
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: He proceeds there to get drunk. Once he's home, right,

965
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: but he also knows that he needs to like hide

966
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 2: his cut of the stolen money and all the coins everything.

967
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: So he hires a cab driver to take him out

968
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: of town out to like a small hill or a

969
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: small mountain, and drunk as he was, he climbs at

970
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: the top of this small mountain, he buries the stolen loot.

971
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: Then he returns to town. He gets more drunk, eventually

972
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: passes out. Next morning, or rather I should say the

973
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: next day that he got up before noon. He plans

974
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: to keep running and head over the border to Old Mexico.

975
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: So he's like, I need to go head back out

976
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: and find that loot I buried last night. Yeah, only

977
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: once he's sober, he can't remember where he buried it.

978
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: He's like this hill, that hill, and a lot of

979
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: the hills look alike in Texas. So he did manage

980
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: to hire the same cab driver who took him out.

981
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: He's like, you remember where to go? Trouble was, the

982
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: taxi driver had been drinking with him and was drunk

983
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: as he was. He couldn't remember where he drove about too.

984
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, I remember we were both sipping on that

985
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 2: whiskey pretty good now. So rather than since neither man

986
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: can remember what small mountain he dropped him off at,

987
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: nor which one he climbed, or where he might have

988
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: hid in the lute Jess Newton. He's like, well, I'm

989
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: gonna try to find it. He doesn't give up easily.

990
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: He searches, he searches, he digs, he digs. He cannot

991
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: find the stolen money. Eventually he just has to give

992
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: up on the Bury Treasure and get to step in

993
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: before the law tracks him down to Texas. He manages

994
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: to sneak over the border into Mexico, but down there

995
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: a federal agent follows up and manages to catch him

996
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: in the town to see that akuna, which is like

997
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: basically right across from del Rio Texas, so where the

998
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 2: Rio grand is acting as the border that separates Texas

999
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: from Mexico. He's just across. So once all eight men

1000
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: so the racket, the two guys with Chicago outfit, the

1001
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: Postal inspector, and the four Newton gang. They all get busted.

1002
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 2: The go to stand trial. The Postal Inspector, William Fahey.

1003
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: He catches the stiffest sentence of the ball.

1004
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 3: Yeah he had been trusted.

1005
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, So it's most likely a warning to the

1006
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: other trusted federal employees like don't you dear trigger. So

1007
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: he gets sentenced to twenty five years behind bars at

1008
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: Levenworth Federal Penn in Kansas. Oh yeah, Jess Newton, he

1009
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 2: catches a nine year stretch at Levenworth. Doc gets sentenced

1010
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: to six years. Willis gets sentenced to four years at Levenworth,

1011
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: and baby brother Joe, he just gets one year inside

1012
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: at Levenworth. Doc would have gotten just one year, but

1013
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: they added five years for his prior prison to escape

1014
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: because that was still.

1015
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: On the book, another five forgetting shut exactly.

1016
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: So most of the stolen lute was returned to the Feds,

1017
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: all except what was spent in a few days while

1018
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: they were on the run, and of course the money

1019
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: that just hid in the Texas Mountains outside San Antonio. Yes. Now,

1020
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: after their time in the Federal penn and the Newton

1021
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 2: brothers all reunite back home in Uvallde, Texas. Willis kept

1022
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 2: himself in the criminal underworld. He did go back inside

1023
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: after he was busted bootleg and whiskey and hauling it

1024
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: over the border, and he gets thrown in jail and

1025
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: texts arcana. Eventually, both he and baby brother Joe. They

1026
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: were again wrongfully arrested and in prison for a bank

1027
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: robbery they did not commit, and in nineteen forty three

1028
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 2: Willis is locked up in an Oklahoma prison for seven years.

1029
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: Baby brother Joe catches a sentence of ten years. Oh yeah.

1030
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: When he gets at Willis starts running nightclubs. In the fifties,

1031
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: He's owns a couple of gas stations which provide kind

1032
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 2: of cover for his illicit activities. At this point, he's

1033
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: a hard and criminal, so there was talk of him

1034
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: getting into the so called nightclub wars, which led to

1035
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: rumors of arson that he may have been involved with.

1036
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: At one point around that same time, someone tried to

1037
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: assassinate Willis. He was in his bathroom at the time.

1038
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: Someone poked a gun inside the window and took their shot.

1039
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: He survived that shooting because these Newton boys are hard

1040
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: to kill. Apparently, in nineteen sixty eight, at the age

1041
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: of seventy seven years old, their brother Doc Newton gets

1042
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: arrested in Rowena, Texas. He was busted for what Elizabeth

1043
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 2: bank robbery no, which he did comit. The judge took

1044
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: pity on him and figured he wasn't likely to try

1045
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: it again at his advanced age, so he let him

1046
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 2: go without a prison sentence. Also, the law had beaten

1047
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: up on a pretty bad I wanted the story to

1048
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: go away, so due to his outlaw passed and the

1049
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: humor of his failed outlaw present. In April of sixty eight,

1050
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: Doc Newton was featured in a story in Life magazine

1051
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: National News all over again this curiosity. In seventy four,

1052
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,479
Speaker 2: Doc Newton passed away at the age eighty three. Jess

1053
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: Newton had already passed away in a VA hospital back

1054
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty. In seventy three, Willis Newton gets implicated

1055
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: in a bank robbery that went down in Brackettville, Texas,

1056
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: and just like with Doc, the authorities chose not to

1057
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: press charges the like you're too much of a Texas legendary.

1058
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1059
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 4: So.

1060
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: Willis Newton eventually died in Augustus of seventy nine at

1061
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: the age of ninety years old. And lastly, baby brother

1062
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: Joe Newton died on February third, nineteen eighty nine, at

1063
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 2: the ripe old age of eighty eight. Now if he's right,

1064
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 2: Texas strong.

1065
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1066
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: Now, if you were wondering, Jess Newton never did remember

1067
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: where he buried that stuf I was best he could recall.

1068
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: It was Atapa Hill or a small mountain outside of

1069
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 2: San Antonio, somewhere along the road to Bandera. So if

1070
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: you know the area, you want to go looking. There's

1071
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: a bunch of gold coins sitting out on top of

1072
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: a mountain, and there's a very large rock he placed

1073
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: atop the hole that he dug. Those are all the

1074
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: clues that we have. So if you go looking for

1075
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: the lost Newton gang lout, good luck, and if you

1076
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: find it, let us know because we'd love to hear

1077
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: from you.

1078
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if it has been discovered and someone just

1079
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: kept real quiet.

1080
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: About it, that would be the smart play. You know,

1081
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: some prospector out there, like maybe someone with a metal detector,

1082
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: like eighties or.

1083
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 3: Nineties, if there's like a housing development.

1084
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 2: I don't think I think it was in the dry hills.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was in like the hills where

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Speaker 2: the people want to be living on, Like only coyotes

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Speaker 2: or prospectors.

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00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: Would find it that someone stumbled upon.

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Speaker 2: It may curious kids and they just do like a

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Speaker 2: stranger things kind of thing. I don't know, So what's

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Speaker 2: our ridiculous take.

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Speaker 3: I'm really blown a way by how long their lives

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Speaker 3: were considering how hard totally live.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and they're starting from where they started hard scrabbled

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00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: dirts and dirt farmers, a bunch of them. So you

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00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: know they were eating like half a biscuit for breakfast.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm My takeaway is that I'm in all

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Speaker 3: of these guys. They're fascinating, and the fact that they're

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Speaker 3: not household names, right, and they are.

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Speaker 2: The most prolific of all of them. And you know

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00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: why they're not household names. It's the American curse. They

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00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: didn't kill anyone, they weren't violent enough to be celebrated.

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Speaker 3: Is that your takeaway? No takeaway.

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Speaker 2: I gotta see this Matthew McConaughey movie now totally. But

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00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: my takeaway is a man can dream, you know, I would.

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Speaker 2: I would love to have been in the nineteen twenties,

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Speaker 2: maybe not in this body, but in the nineteen twenties

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Speaker 2: robbing banks with these guys, because oh man, does that

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00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: sound fun, especially if you're non violent? Right?

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, that's true, you know that is true.

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00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: So you want to wash this all down with a

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Speaker 2: talk back in a move for I would love who

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00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 2: is a can you favors? With a talk bag?

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Speaker 3: Super?

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Speaker 2: I love get.

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, my name is Lisa. I'm from Browns Mills,

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Speaker 4: New Jersey, and I want to tell you I loved

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00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 4: a little kid at the end of the show. And

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Speaker 4: the only problem is that when the when he says

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00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 4: it the first time, he sounds very like happy and proud,

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00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 4: and then when he's asked to repeat it, he sounds dejected.

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Speaker 4: And I don't like that.

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Speaker 3: I hope he wasn't.

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Speaker 4: But I love your guys show and I will listen

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Speaker 4: forever and ever.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 3: I can assure you he wasn't dejected. I think he

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00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: was trying to be serious guy.

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00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to get it right. He's a buoyant spirit.

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00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: And also he likes to do things right.

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00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: That's exactly. Oh that's so sweet though. Thank you for

1132
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 3: that sweet message. Hey, I'm going to cut in here

1133
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 3: with a brief message, an email from a rude dude

1134
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: that we want to share with everyone goes like this.

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00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: This email is heavier than anything I would normally share

1136
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 3: with my three favorite podcasts, but I feel it's important

1137
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: to share. I promise there is a bit of light

1138
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 3: at the end of it. I live in Minneapolis, and

1139
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 3: things here are worse than what others on the outside

1140
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: probably realize. I won't go into details, but suffice to

1141
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: say it's like nothing I've ever experienced or could have

1142
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: imagined here in the US. I've never felt so scared, abandoned,

1143
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: and mentally and emotionally drained. Things that would normally be

1144
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 3: a larger deal, like getting laid off this past Friday

1145
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 3: due to downsizing, since our local economy is also suffering,

1146
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 3: seemed trivial. Now I think about helping escort terrified neighborhood

1147
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: kids to and from the bus stop, or if other

1148
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: neighbors have enough food because they're scared to leave the house.

1149
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 3: I've listened to all three of your podcasts for a

1150
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: varying amount of time. I've interacted with some of you email,

1151
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 3: Instagram or seeing you live. You've all been a part

1152
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: of my life on a near daily basis. You've accompanied

1153
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,479
Speaker 3: me on work trips, vacations, and throughout my daily life,

1154
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 3: and now you provide me with a bit of comfort

1155
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 3: most nights when I try to quiet my brain enough

1156
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 3: to sleep. I want to thank you all for a

1157
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: needed distraction and what feels like nearly impossible times. The

1158
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 3: next time you sit down to record, I hope you

1159
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: can take even a brief moment to reflect and know

1160
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 3: that what you do is important to a lot of us. Sincerely,

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00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 3: Mark mccobbin, Minneapolis, Minnesota. So I'm reading this here because

1162
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: we need to know and understand that we are not

1163
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: alone in this. All of us luckily have each other,

1164
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: and we all need moments of distraction and sanity in

1165
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 3: the face of the horrors and the hard work we

1166
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 3: have in front of us. All of us are in

1167
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: a cold winter, and we're trying to make ends meet,

1168
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 3: trying to live our lives under this constant barrage of

1169
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 3: the news of cruelty and pain, and idiocy and hypocrisy

1170
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 3: and just pig ignorance. But let's all spare a thought

1171
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: for those in the thick of it, the people carrying

1172
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: the weight of this in person and in real time,

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00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 3: those with the targets on their backs, and the ones

1174
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 3: who stand in front of them to block the blow.

1175
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 3: We're all fragile right now, and we need to acknowledge that.

1176
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Making this podcast is always fun for us.

1177
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 3: It's a good escape when the world is chaos, but

1178
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 3: right now it feels like a mission of mercy. It's

1179
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: us reaching out to you humans, to humans, telling silly

1180
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: stories about silly humans. And when you reach back and

1181
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 3: let us know that what we're doing is in any

1182
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 3: way helpful, that means a lot. We're not in this

1183
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 3: alone and we'll get through it together. So on behalf

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00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: of the whole Ridiculous Crime crew. Thank you all for

1185
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: listening and being brave and letting us be silly in

1186
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 3: your ear for two hours a week. We love and

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00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 3: appreciate you all more.

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Speaker 2: Than you know. As always. You can find us online

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Speaker 2: a Ridiculous Crime on Blue Sky Instagram. You can also

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Speaker 2: email us at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. And

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00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 2: you can find us on Ridiculous Crime Pod on YouTube

1192
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: if you prefer to get your podcasts there. And we

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00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: have our website Ridiculous Crime dot com and uh go

1194
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: check it out. It's got gifts and merch and all

1195
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Speaker 2: sorts of fun stuff. And we were also nominated for

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Speaker 2: Best Beta Tape of nineteen eighty three, so I'm really

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Speaker 2: excited about that.

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Speaker 3: So good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought VHS, but it turns out we were

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Speaker 2: nominated for us. It's the higher quality format.

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Speaker 3: Apparently you know, it was like flipping a coin which

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Speaker 3: was going to be the hot one.

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Speaker 2: And we also obviously would love your talkback, so please

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00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: go to the iHeart app download it, leave us a

1205
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: talk back, and we'd love to hear your voice here.

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00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: Maybe you'd enjoy to hear your voice here too, and

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Speaker 2: there you go, Thank you for listening. As always, we

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Speaker 2: will catch you next crime. Ridiculous Crime is by Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: Dutton and Zaron Burnett, produced and edited by Matthew McConaughey's

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Speaker 2: body double Dave Cousten, and starring Annalise Rutger as Buddic

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Speaker 2: Research is by Texas Outlaw plaquemakers Marissa Brown and Jabbari Davis.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Johnny Cash Robbery and the

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Speaker 2: Texas Two Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton. The host wardrobe

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Speaker 2: and Mister Andre. Executive producers are Richard Linkletter's personal Texas

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Speaker 2: Outlaw historians Ben Bolin and Noel Brown.

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Speaker 3: Why Say It One More Time? Geek Cry.

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