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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we

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Speaker 1: have an update on a story we first reported years

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Speaker 1: ago when we first started doing the podcast about a

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Speaker 1: Colorado funeral home that was storing dead, decaying bodies instead

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Speaker 1: of cremating them and then pocketing the money from the families.

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Speaker 1: And they were handing back the families the fake ashes

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Speaker 1: instead of the real remains of their family members. So

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that story and believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: in the news this week, there is a similar story

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Speaker 1: on a smaller scale, so this is not just happening

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Speaker 1: at this one funeral home unfortunately. Then we'll get into

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Speaker 1: an update on the murder of Anna Keepner. If you remember,

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Speaker 1: her dead body was found on a Carnival cruise ship

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Speaker 1: back in November. And speaking of cruises, there might be

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Speaker 1: another poop cruise. This is what's going around on the

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Speaker 1: internet right now, So we'll talk about that, and then

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Speaker 1: in true crime, we're going to talk about a renowned

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Speaker 1: transplant surgeon who has been federally indicted for falsifying patient records.

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Speaker 1: Very weird case, and we have to wonder what the

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Speaker 1: hell the guy was doing it for. And a daycare

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Speaker 1: worker who decided to poison toddlers because she didn't want

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Speaker 1: to deal with them. And then we'll finish up the

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Speaker 1: episode with a woman who discovered her mother's death on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: All that and more on today's episode. Let's start off

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Speaker 1: with this return to Nature funeral home. So we had.

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Speaker 2: Reported, like you said when we first started the show,

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Speaker 2: on this funeral home from Colorado that was caught improperly

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Speaker 2: shoring hundreds of bodies and giving fake ashes to family.

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Speaker 2: So now one of the two owners has been sentenced

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Speaker 2: to forty years in prison for corpse abuse, which I

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Speaker 2: think is pretty awesome because I feel like in a

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Speaker 2: lot of these cases we don't see high sentences.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's awesome too, because it really does

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Speaker 1: cause so much emotional trauma for the people involved. Like

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Speaker 1: imagine getting a call that you had your mother cremated

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Speaker 1: and you thought everything was cool. You got back things

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Speaker 1: because regular people might not know what creamines or ashes

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Speaker 1: are supposed to look like, so you just get them

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Speaker 1: and put them in an urn. I mean, why would

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Speaker 1: you ever think that a funeral home is giving you

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Speaker 1: a bag of cat litter. I mean, think about that, Like,

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Speaker 1: nobody in their right mind would ever even think that

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, and most people like I would never

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Speaker 2: know the difference between regular creamines and not.

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Speaker 1: I don't, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think I've ever seen them in person, honestly,

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Speaker 2: so I don't know what they would look like. And

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've covered, we covered this case, and then

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Speaker 2: it's like, we have a story after this is something similar,

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Speaker 2: and then I think of the Land funeral home scandal,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just thinking, this is not this is not

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Speaker 2: so uncommon. It's like what I was saying about Jonathan Gerlock, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't think grave robbing is that uncommon. But I

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Speaker 2: guess it's the scale at which it's happening, which is

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Speaker 2: the shocking part of this. So if you remember or

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Speaker 2: people that don't know this story, neighbors in this area

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Speaker 2: this property and that's when they discovered over a hundred

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Speaker 2: off site, right, It wasn't even directly in the funeral home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean imagine the smell. Like when I

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Speaker 1: so strong. And I mean, obviously you're not talking about

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Speaker 1: shouldn't really be spilled out and all of that stuff

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Speaker 1: Decomposing body is so strong. It's so so strong. I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine two hundred of them piled up somewhere the

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I think what's really messed up is

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Speaker 2: they specialized in green funerals, which as burials with no chemicals,

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Speaker 1: We know they were not.

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Speaker 2: Disturbingly, some of these bodies were of children and babies,

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Speaker 2: which imagine already going through a loss like that and

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Speaker 1: No, I can't. And that's why this guy really needs

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Speaker 1: It's just kind of really gross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the court is saying they we're making plenty

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Speaker 2: of money where they could have properly did this. It's

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Speaker 2: not like that was a concern, but it seems like

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Speaker 2: which is so horrific. So this guy's ex wife and

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Speaker 2: co owner has also pleaded guilty to similar chargers. She's

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Speaker 2: a waiting sentencing, but as we know, he got forty years.

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Speaker 2: I think the maximum in this case was fifty years.

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Speaker 2: I wonder why they didn't give this person the full

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Speaker 2: maximum sentence. They had a lot of the victim's family

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Speaker 2: speaking there, but I don't you know, how.

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Speaker 1: People are with these cases. We never understand. So this

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Speaker 1: next one is a similar not similar, but just I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've had a couple stories of this going on since

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Speaker 1: like this woman just gets a call, Oh is this

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Speaker 1: so and so your mother? Why? And then it just

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Speaker 1: it all unravels from there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So they did this state inspection at this funeral

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Speaker 2: home in New York and they revealed thirteen decomposing bodies

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Speaker 2: and seventeen boxes of creamines. And it seems like this

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Speaker 2: history had, like this funeral home had this crazy history

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Speaker 2: of losing their license, closing, reopening, just totally illegally operating

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Speaker 2: that since August they've performed at least twenty funerals at

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Speaker 2: this place, and they just weren't doing the proper things. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, having bodies stacked up anywhere decomposing is never

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Speaker 1: going to be the proper thing, not having one like that. Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't work in the funeral industry, but I could

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Speaker 1: There's never a situation ever ever that bodies are allowed

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Speaker 1: I just know it. I know it, And well, it's

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Speaker 2: Like to me, I was a little confused by the

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Speaker 2: were saying that the inspection caused them to lose their license,

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Speaker 2: But then it seems like they lost their license initially

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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, the business didn't shut down for another

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Speaker 2: year timeframe. Then it says they reopened and closed again

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Speaker 2: last May, and then they started forming funeral services again

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Speaker 2: in late August of last year. So this woman you

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Speaker 2: they were supposed to pick her up, and then they

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Speaker 2: were never given their remains and she was found amongst

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they also said that there were no death certificates,

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Speaker 1: which is really unusual. But when at least in Pennsylvania anyway,

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Speaker 1: They they can't do anything with it. So if they

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Speaker 1: So I'm just like, how to I mean, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: because I don't even understand how they would get the

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that even then someone has like a normal

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Speaker 1: reputable funeral home wouldn't take a body without a death

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Speaker 1: for them. Well, yeah, and I want to mismatch bodies

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Speaker 2: And I want to go back to the Colorado story

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Speaker 2: for a second too, because at the time that was happening,

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Speaker 2: and it was so scandalous, that following year, they passed

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Speaker 2: and enhance enforcement power to prevent future abuses. I don't

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Speaker 1: Licensing for something like this. Well yeah, I mean there

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Speaker 1: are obviously there's funeral directors and licensing, but I guess

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Speaker 1: You don't understand that one's not going to be good

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Speaker 1: or one's better. You know, like, well, yeah, exactly, and

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Speaker 1: the funerals are so expensive. Well, yeah, you have the

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Speaker 1: making this decision. You also assume if this business is open,

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Speaker 1: there've been in the community for a while, that they must.

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Speaker 2: Be trustworthy or something like. I don't think everybody that

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Speaker 2: proper state inspections of licensing behind what's going on. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, this can't continue to happen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get on to Anna Kepner, Like what

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Speaker 1: happened with this case, because we talked about this back

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Speaker 1: in November, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's been speculation this whole time that her

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Speaker 2: stepbrother was the one that killed her. And now they're

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Speaker 2: saying he just got arrested. But then this article was

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Speaker 2: saying that he went to court I think last Friday

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Speaker 2: and then got released back to a guardian. So is

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Speaker 2: that because he's a minor. I'm just really confused.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, I mean he's is how old is he?

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Speaker 1: Sixteen? Another sixteen year old that's doing some crazy shit.

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Speaker 1: So this happened back in November, right that her dead

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Speaker 1: body was found on a carnival cruise. Yeah, she was

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Speaker 1: second to last day, the cleaning person went in their

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Speaker 1: That could be from rust in the pipes. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: All right, So, FBI Houston posted something pretty concerning on

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Speaker 1: some of these patients might be able to get this transplant,

435
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: but they were never going to survive it, and that

436
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: would like not look good for him as a surgeon,

437
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: and it would not look good for the hospital to

438
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: patients right after a transplant. So he was like, you

439
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: know what, They're never gonna survive this anyway, So I'm

440
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: just gonna falsify the records so I don't have like

441
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: a negative on my record, you know what I mean? Yeah,

442
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: that's a possibility. I guess I just don't. I don't

443
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: see because I feel like, if you're a transplant surgeon,

444
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: you should try to get whoever on the list as possible,

445
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: because then you could give them a life saving organ.

446
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't really see why a physician

447
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: would do something like that.

448
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 2: It seems pretty evil to do something like that, regardless

449
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: of what the reason is. And of course it's like

450
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 2: he's being charged with five counts of making false statements

451
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: and health care matters, and if convicted, he faces up

452
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: to five years in federal present at prison, as well

453
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: as a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars maximum fine

454
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: upon each conviction. Like he his decision making killed three people.

455
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: Is that not accounted for? It's it's just more Yeah,

456
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, doctors make mistakes all the time, but

457
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: this seems like it was intentional, and it's it's.

458
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: Just bizarre, yeah, because like obviously those three people that

459
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: died could have died regardless, right, but like his direct

460
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: actions led to their quicker demise, And that's why I'm

461
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: not understand.

462
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: It's like a weird playing god thing, like he didn't

463
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: think is it possible that he was? Just like, this

464
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: is ridiculous that this person should be able to get

465
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: a liver because there are people that need it more,

466
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: but you don't make those decisions. No, I just I

467
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: like it. Just it just scares me because I'm like,

468
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 1: if this is a money making thing or even a

469
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: statistics thing, then it could be way bigger than this.

470
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: And this is just the surface of it.

471
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: They need to figure that out pretty quick.

472
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean. And he's like a well he was like

473
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: a well respected renowned doctor.

474
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is concerning. Yeah, It's like, does it end

475
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 2: with him or is it a greater network that we're

476
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: not aware of yet?

477
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, this story really pisses me off.

478
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: A quote innocent looking daycare worker allegedly poisoned toddlers with

479
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: chewable laxatives over a few months because she quote didn't

480
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: want to deal with them.

481
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: So I always think about this because from time to

482
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: time I give the kids if the kids like needed it,

483
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: because this is approved by a GI doctor by the way,

484
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: but you know x lax makes chocolate laxatives, and our

485
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: GI doctor said pediatric GI doctor was like, if they

486
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: can't go to the bathroom, you do a combination of

487
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: me relax and then give them half of a piece

488
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: of this chocolate. Yeah, and it could kind of like

489
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: push things along. So then I started doing it too.

490
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: If I like, especially when you travel you can't poop

491
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, it's it's good. But I just had

492
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: one on our recent trip and I was like, dude,

493
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: this thing just tastes like chocolate. There's no delicious, there's

494
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: no indication that it's a okay, And I take half

495
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: of one of the pieces because you know when you

496
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: take a laxative, especially something like that, that it's violent.

497
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: If you take a high dose of it, it hurts, right,

498
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: So I just take the half and that as an

499
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: adult woman, take half of one and it usually does

500
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: the job. Right. Have you ever taken like too much laxative.

501
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: It's it's terrible. It hurts so bad, like the cramping.

502
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: And to think about a twenty three year old woman

503
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: giving this to children under the age of two years

504
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: old because she wanted them to get diarrhea so they

505
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: could go home early because she didn't feel like dealing

506
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: with it. She was overwhelmed by too many kids. It's

507
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: it's sick. It's seriously a sick poisoning. It's poisoning. And

508
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: think about this from the parents' perspective, like they have

509
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: this kid. They keep getting called pick up your kid.

510
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: Your kid's got diarrheas, So what do you do. You

511
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: bring them to the doctor, You get all these tests.

512
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: They have this virus? Do they have this? Like these

513
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: kids are getting worked up for having chronic diarrhea before

514
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: the age of two years old and no one knowing

515
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: what's causing it, not to mention the fact that that

516
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: could cause a child to get seriously sick, like dehydration

517
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: because you're losing too much water. They could have a

518
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: heart rhythmia because of an electrolyte and balance, like this

519
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: could have been really, really bad, and luckily it wasn't.

520
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: But also you got to think, like kids that age

521
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: are still wearing diapers, right, and all that watery poop

522
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: on their butt could give them severe diper rash, which

523
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: could lead to infections and things like that. It's like

524
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: really messed up. It's really really messed up and not cool.

525
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope she gets in a lot of trouble. Well, yeah,

526
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: of course, because it's like you have to wonder if

527
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: she knew the actual serious implications of what could happen

528
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: to these kids, because it's really, really dangerous, like you

529
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: were saying to do it, and there's this article is

530
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: saying she offered at least three toddlers who were two

531
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: and under chewable laxatives as candy, so that led them

532
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: to have these inexplctable symptoms going on for a couple

533
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: of weeks. And I just have to wonder, like, how

534
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: did they figure out this was going on.

535
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: Did one of the kids vocalize that they were given

536
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: candy by this woman and they started looking into it.

537
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: I don't understand how they narrowed it down to that,

538
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: because it seems like a couple parents had told the

539
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: daycare that something was going on, and then when they

540
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: looked further into it, they found something out.

541
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: Well, it has to be. It has to be if

542
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: you have multiple children having the same symptoms, It's like, Okay,

543
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: what's happening here?

544
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: But did they catch her on camera doing it or

545
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: somebody saw her doing it. I'm just wondering how she

546
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: got caught exactly. I don't know, but she admitted it.

547
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: She said it was good and and.

548
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: Like you know, one of the kids has Now the

549
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: mom is saying that one of the kids has chronic

550
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: constipation because of this and that could happen like if

551
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: you take too many laxatives, which especially once that stimulate

552
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: the nerve that push things along, it could cause like

553
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: rebound constipation. So basically, like the nerves stop working like

554
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: they should because you're used to having a drug making

555
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: them work, right, And like this is so sad for

556
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: a kid that's learning how to freaking potty train. I

557
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: would I would so oh my god, like I can't,

558
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm so mad about this, So I would sue the daycare.

559
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: I would sue her individual, not not that she's got anything,

560
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: but but still, like this needs to be made an

561
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: example of because it's just it's just not okay even

562
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: a little bit.

563
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: It's not even suing her. She should be in prison

564
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: for this show. She poison children. Yeah, and if you

565
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: didn't want to take care of them, get another job,

566
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: like you don't have to work in a daycare, work

567
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: with children.

568
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: I would try to get like a tempted murder. I'm serious,

569
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: Like I would just go maximum on this bitch, Like well,

570
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: I can't.

571
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine, because it's like I'm sure as

572
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: a parent it's already really hard to trust other people

573
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: taking care of your kids. Right, and then you have

574
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: something like this go on, and it seemed to say

575
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: that the parents notified police, not the daycare.

576
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. I would make it my life mission

577
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: to get all of these people in jail.

578
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I agree, especially if that's true and

579
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: the daycare didn't report her to police. Are they not

580
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: taking it seriously? This is pretty serious?

581
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know. All right.

582
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: So back in the fall, this woman's friend sent her

583
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: an article she saw on Facebook about a woman who

584
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: was found dead at her home, saying basically, isn't this

585
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: where your mom lives? And as it turns out, the

586
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: victim was this woman's mother.

587
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I the reason that I wanted to bring

588
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: this story up is because A Gabe and I were

589
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: talking about this because we just recently had a firefighter

590
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: in our department die, right, And of course all of

591
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: us knew who it was way before the news did,

592
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: and we knew the story way before the news did,

593
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: and we were just discussing how, you know, you have

594
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 1: to be careful in those situations because you don't know

595
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: who knows what, And in that case, we already knew

596
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: that the family knew the immediate family anyway, we you know,

597
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: we knew everything, but I was just like, I'm not

598
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: put be personally and not posting anything about who it

599
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: is and his fundraiser and told the news does oh right?

600
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: But you know, Gabe has Gabe said that there was

601
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: a situation one time, a couple of years ago where

602
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: he knew somebody that posted that someone died on the

603
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: Internet before the rest of the world knew about it.

604
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: And we were talking about that, like how messed up

605
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: it is with Facebook, because everybody wants to be the

606
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: first to be like, oh, you know, I knew this

607
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: person and rest in peace this person, And you got

608
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: to think like that, especially the firefighter death that just

609
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: happened the other day. It's just like he has children

610
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: that you know, that are that could have been in

611
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: school during that time and they don't really know yet,

612
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: or family or even a brother, a sister or anybody.

613
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: The last thing you want to do is be like, oh,

614
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: this horrible thing had just happened, and I'm letting this

615
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: person find out about it on Facebook.

616
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, give the family a minute to get noticed.

617
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: But I guess the problem in this case is like

618
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: this woman gets this article from her friend and she

619
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: doesn't know that her mom has died. Nobody notified her

620
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: of the death. So she's looking through this article and

621
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: she sees that their ages match up, and she's trying

622
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: to get more information, and then sees a comment that

623
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 2: says rip Ann, which is her mother's name. And this

624
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: was in the small cul de sac, only a couple

625
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: people live there. So this lady literally finds out her

626
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: mother dies via Facebook article, and then even worse, finds

627
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: out that a man was arrested for murdering her and

628
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: nobody ever alerted her.

629
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: Really, it's really scary, And you know, I was just thinking.

630
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this a lot because we just

631
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: had such a like a this happened in our department

632
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: about about the information of news getting reported and stuff,

633
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: and like, Gabe was home when it happened and he

634
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: ran out. You know, you were at my house when

635
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: it happened, and he ran out of here, and he

636
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: ran out of the house so fast, and Maria came

637
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: in my office and said, what's going on. Gabe just

638
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: ran out of the house and he's talking to guys

639
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: at work, so obviously they have the information beforehand. But

640
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: I go on and that any time it's the same thing.

641
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what happens when you're married to

642
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: a firefighter, Like you go on the news and search,

643
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: is there a firing Camden? Is there a fire? You

644
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: know whatever. I didn't even know what was happening, and

645
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: I already saw that there was a news report that said, oh,

646
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: Camden firefighter is fell in the river, the frozen river,

647
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: and they're searching for him. And I'm thinking like, oh

648
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: my god, because I was sitting here working, like what

649
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: if I look, what if that? Like anybody like what

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Speaker 1: if Gabe was at work and I just saw that

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Speaker 1: on the news. I don't know anything that's going on,

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Speaker 1: because all I know is that, yes, like any any

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Speaker 1: there is sitting at home and being like is my

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Speaker 1: husband at work or is my wife at work right now?

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Speaker 1: Because it has to be belong to somebody here, right

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Speaker 1: And it's just like I hope that the family gets

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Speaker 1: alerted in stuff beforehand. And because it was quick that

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Speaker 1: I came and told you that when he was didn't

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Speaker 1: even go to the hospital yet, you know, like the

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Speaker 1: news is reporting things so fast and you just don't

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Speaker 1: think about it's spreading like wildfire online and like who

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Speaker 1: might see it? And now it's even scarier because my

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Speaker 1: kid's age. It's like the kids have phones, they have

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Speaker 1: social media. Like if something like that happened to me,

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Speaker 1: and I got a phone call in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the day that I had to go to the hospital,

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Speaker 1: let's say, right, and I go to the hospital and

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Speaker 1: I'm dealing with all that and my kids are literally

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Speaker 1: at school, But now they're hearing about it at school

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Speaker 1: when I haven't even had a chance to call them

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Speaker 1: because I'm going to attend to an emergency and I

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Speaker 1: know that they're safe there, you understand, Like.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the problem, like social media.

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Speaker 1: It's just like they they they really before things get reported,

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Speaker 1: they really should make sure that at least the immediate

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Speaker 1: family has been notified. Because this particular woman found out

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Speaker 1: about this this way. But I'm sure that this happens

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Speaker 1: quite often.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I don't even think necessarily that the

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Speaker 2: problem was the article got reach and I think it's

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Speaker 2: that like it had been a substantial amount of time

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Speaker 2: and the police never notified the family to the point

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Speaker 2: where she had to contact them and be like, this

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Speaker 2: is my mother, what happened? And they apologize for it,

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Speaker 2: but she's like, that's this is not enough, Like why

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Speaker 2: was I not alerted? And then she has the responsibility

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Speaker 2: of telling the rest of their family members.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's just like, imagine how upsetting that

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Speaker 1: would be. Actually, if I recall, this just triggered a

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Speaker 1: memory for me that Anna Kaepner, a girl that we

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Speaker 1: just talked about earlier.

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Speaker 2: Her mom.

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Speaker 1: I believe her mother found out on Facebook that she

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Speaker 1: was dead as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's I can't even imagine that,

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Speaker 1: like getting in such serious information like that in that

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Speaker 1: kind of a way.

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Speaker 2: And obviously that's not okay in any capacity either. I

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Speaker 2: think in that case, she had a strained relationship with

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Speaker 2: the mother.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were.

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Speaker 2: Kind of estranged, but and I don't know what this

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Speaker 2: woman's relationship was with her mom. But I mean, nobody

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Speaker 2: in this family seemingly got notified about this death at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so totally unacceptable. All right, guys, we have some Valentine's

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's at this point it's gonna come

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Speaker 2: in time for Valentine's.

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Speaker 1: Really, I mean we put it out for Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 1: but it's not specific to Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 1: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy

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