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Speaker 1: But seemingly Paris Hilton has turned the corner, just recently

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Speaker 1: this is their strength in numbers. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: By now you probably think you've seen everything from and

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Speaker 1: about Paris Hilton. You know, the socialite who made a

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Speaker 1: There's so many differences with the character. It's mostly kind

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Speaker 1: how Marilyn Monroe was mocked as being an airhead Britney

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Speaker 1: You know, can't we have one report about a woman

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Speaker 1: That's a whole nother can of worms. What I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about is the Provo Canyon School. And before

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Speaker 1: about not only this school, but other schools all across

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Speaker 1: of troubled teens with me an all star panel. First

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Speaker 1: of all, Jeremy Whitely a victim who actually attended Provoking

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Speaker 1: Dalmada a victim who attended Provo Canyon School. Dominate Romano,

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Speaker 1: New York lawyer entertainment specialists. You can find him at

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Speaker 1: New York, joining us from Las Psycho Analysts to the Stars.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, star of a new Netflix Netflix Hick

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Dan Scott former La County

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Speaker 1: Share Sergeant twenty six years Special Victims Bureau specializing and

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Speaker 1: abuse on teens and children. But first to Connor Richards,

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Speaker 1: reporter Provo Daily, Harold Connor, what is happening? Don't people

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety eight, then seventeen year old Paris wound

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Speaker 1: so hard for writing my parents and telling them about

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Speaker 1: this abuse. I mean, I had to stand up against

429
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: a wall for almost two weeks, and I just never

430
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: spoke of it. You know. I was just so grateful

431
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: that my parents are coming to visit me. And the

432
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: only way you could get out of there is by

433
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: doing really well in the program. And I did really well,

434
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: and for two weeks weeks. Yeah, they do these things

435
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: called um ips and it hips and investments. It puts

436
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: you in investment and you have and if you get

437
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: in trouble, you know, you have to stand up against

438
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: the wall. Um and I and I've heard from other

439
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: students it's kind of teams since I've been there. Um yeah,

440
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: So I never spoke of it, but I did so

441
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: well that I was allowed to go back to a

442
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: family reunion in New Hampshire. Um after being there for

443
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, almost ten months, and I just I never

444
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: spoke of it. And other kids that have spoken out

445
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: of it, spoken up or gone to law enforcement. You

446
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: just law enforcement just turns the blind eye and seems

447
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: to me that they students feel like somehow it's their fault,

448
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: and like other victims, they don't speak about it. Guys,

449
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: take a listen to l Thomas a KSTU speaking to

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00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: another alarm of Provos Canyon Our Cut six A. For many,

451
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: this is the first time hearing about Provo Canyon School.

452
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm realizing more and more that I'm confronted with it

453
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: every day. For people like Paris and Jen Robinson, it's haunting.

454
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: The issues that occurred women Paris and I were there

455
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: are still occurring today. Jin was admitted to PCs in

456
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: two thousand and three for childhood trauma. Basically, they brought

457
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: me in, they strip searched me in a utility closet,

458
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: and soon after they shaved my head, they gave me

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00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: a number. Little did she know the facility would create

460
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: trauma of its own. It's so abrupt and it's so

461
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: frightening and it's so confusing that you're just like, well,

462
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: this is my life now. Jin says she still has

463
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: vivid memories of having to earn off campus. Visits, alleged

464
00:31:46,160 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: verbal and physical abuse and isolation crime stories with Nancy

465
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: Grace guys Parassulton is not just pulling a publicity stunt.

466
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: She has actually gone to testify in front of Utah politicians.

467
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cuts. Seventeen sixteen children were restrained, hit,

468
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: thrown into walls, strangled, and sexually abused regularly at PROVO.

469
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: I could not report this because all communication with my

470
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: family was monitored and censored. And what is disgusting is

471
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: the program doesn't just censor communication with family, but also

472
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: with the entire outside world, so there was no way

473
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: we could call for help. I fell my story, not

474
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: so that anyone feels bad for me, finalizing the reality

475
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: of what happened. Then it is still happening now, people

476
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: who work at Run and Fun these programs themselves. How

477
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: people would themselves knowing us is happening. Talking about something

478
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: so personal was and is still terrifying. I can always leave,

479
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: and I'm knowing that there are children that are enduring

480
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: the same use that I and so many others weren't through,

481
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: and neither should you. I improved that money doesn't protective

482
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: cost to use straight out to Connor Richardson reporter with

483
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: a Provo daily Harold Connor. The so called troubled teen

484
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: industry is a multi billion dollar industry. Why is it

485
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: not being governed? Apparently in Utah. Yeah, well that's the

486
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: same question that Utah lawmakers are asking right now. So

487
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: in that committee meeting, everyone there seemed to find miss

488
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: Hilton's testimony very compelling, And yeah, a lot of the

489
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: lawmakers on the committee asked that very same thing. Why

490
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: in the world are these regulations or oversights not in place?

491
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, now they're considering to bill it sent

492
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: it bill on one twenty seven, and it really would

493
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: just put a lot more oversight over these things. So,

494
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: for example, would prohibit these strip and body cavity searches

495
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: that we've heard about. It would prohibit use of medical

496
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: sedation and things like that. And it would also just

497
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: give the Utah Licensing Office some more tools to go

498
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: in and investigate these things and help parents get a

499
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: better understanding of what's actually going on in these schools

500
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: while their kids are there. I want to go straight out,

501
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: who is that I believe that, Jeremy, Yeah, I mean

502
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: people who have come forward, you know, over the years

503
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: and It's just like Utah has a universal issue I

504
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: pretending things don't happen, and then they try to erase them,

505
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: and then they silence those who blow the whistle. I mean,

506
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: people have been coming forward about these problems. You know,

507
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: a pro Volcanian school since I left in nineteen ninety one,

508
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: and further even back when a school is founded. And

509
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: you know, Utah's lowmakers have not taken us seriously until

510
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: Paris came forward. And I am so grateful to Paris

511
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: and my classmates and and and all the other you know,

512
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: people have volunteer their time with breaking code silence. Um,

513
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's about time they come forward and

514
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: do something about it. And I also hope Romeo stuff

515
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: up and make things right. I mean, you know what,

516
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: waiting on politicians to act, I don't know how that's

517
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: going to work out. I think there needs to be

518
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: uh instead of hoping a politician will step in, as

519
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: Jeremy is hoping that. That's why we have government officials.

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00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: To you Dominate Romano and to Dan Scott Romano, that's

521
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,479
Speaker 1: why we pay taxes so things like this don't happen.

522
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it's not just Paris. It's

523
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: not just Jeremy or mister Hooker or Summer dal Mada.

524
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirteen. Kat von Die

525
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: the TV personality also went to provoking you listen to

526
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: what she has to say. They did a strip search,

527
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: which was completely degrading. I remember having to get naked

528
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: in front of this person who I don't know if

529
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: they had credentials. I don't. I had no idea who

530
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: they were, and basically they were just just degrading me

531
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: the whole entire time. And I you know, I was

532
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: fifteen years old, I was still did and they put

533
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: me into a like some hot pink sweats and gave

534
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: me some sandals, and then they took me into another

535
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: room and then shaved my head. Did that happen to

536
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: Summer or dal Mada? Did girls have their heads shaved? Yep?

537
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: I never did have my head shaved, but that seemed

538
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: to be one of their favorite punishments there. I mean,

539
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: a girl could speak out or maybe use a swear

540
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: word and a teacher a lesson, they would go and

541
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: shave her head and they would say guys and pique

542
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: sweats too. I mean, if you threatened, if they had

543
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: any reason to believe that you're going to run away

544
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: or try and run away. They would put the guys

545
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: in peaue sweats too. I mean, I got put at

546
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: me sweats, Dan Scott, I don't get it. Why do

547
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: we even have law enforcement if these allegations, if they're true,

548
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: and the purps are hiding behind the walls of an

549
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: exclusive facility, why is that happening? That's a great question.

550
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't know you to a law, but most states

551
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: have laws that pretty much throw out the statute of

552
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: limitations on child abuse, allowing law enforcement to go in

553
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: and investigate cases that are twenty and thirty years old.

554
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: I've done it many times. What we just saw it

555
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: happen in a high profile case. R Kelly. Remember that

556
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: that's something everybody can can recall. Dominic Romano, a New

557
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: York lawyer. Why not? Why aren't those cases being reopened?

558
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: Cases like Jeremy's, like summer Dale, Maida's and others. Well,

559
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: I looked it up that the school has been the

560
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: subject of litigation throughout the years against previous ownership, and

561
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: sometimes it takes the spotlight, it takes the megaphone of celebrity.

562
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: You know, Paris Jackson. Michael Jackson's daughter also says that

563
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: she suffered similar experience to those of Paris Hulton at

564
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: another boarding school. Sometimes it takes people, highly visible people

565
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: to speak out and find these other stories and ultimately

566
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: get law enforcement, get the politicians, get the investigators in there,

567
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: and put a stop to this once and for all.

568
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: I have two young daughters, and this is heartbreaking to hear.

569
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: Can you even imagine and the parents think they're doing

570
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: a good thing, helping their child, and then they find

571
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: out this. Can you imagine the guilt the parents carry

572
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: around for the rest of their lives. Guys, it's not

573
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: just the victims you've met today. Take a listen to

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00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: Jen and Cut fourteen. When I was fourteen, I was

575
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: sent to a behavioral modification center in Utah. My parents

576
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: were promised that I would be helped, but that's not

577
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. I was dripped of my clothes and

578
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: the utility closet and given a number. My head was

579
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: shaved and some of the stuff even such. They're calling

580
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: me Ashwitz because of my pearance. I mean, the mistake

581
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: one morning of saying that I didn't want to wake up.

582
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: I was dragged out of the top bunk by staff

583
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: and down a hallway by my feet. I was left

584
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: in isolation cell to mister Hooker, they father of Trevor Hooker.

585
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: Trevor passed away. He committed suicide after provoking in school.

586
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: What's your message, mister Hooker? My massive dudes, I just

587
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, they need to investigate this.

588
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: I think that more people need to step forward. I

589
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: think that this needs to stop happening to you know,

590
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: these My son other kids were already already suffering going

591
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: to a place like that. I mean, there was there

592
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: was times where I didn't hear from Trevor for months,

593
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: and they would tell me it was because of his behavior,

594
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: I mean, and then he would tell me about in

595
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: these experiences you know about basically getting tackled by three

596
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: or four staff. Trevor had behavioral issues, but he didn't

597
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: deserve any of that, you know, I mean, I mean,

598
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: getting tackled by you know, three or four staff members.

599
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: And mind, these staff members are are big and and

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Speaker 1: if we talked to our parents, if you've got to

601
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: talk to our parents, our therapist was listening into the

602
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: phone call, and my entire time there, my therapist didn't

603
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: has been more than fifteen minutes a week with me

604
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: unless I had a phone call with my parents. Today

605
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: would say something to jump in the calls. So for

606
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: how it was for me, you would have like a

607
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: family therapy session once a week. You would be in

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00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: the office with your therapists and then with your parent

609
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: on the phone, and then afterwards you would get a

610
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: ten minute phone call alone with your parents. But you

611
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: were always very strictly warned that the calls are recorded,

612
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: and if you say anything, or you try to manipulate

613
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: your parents, or you put the place down in any way,

614
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: there's going to be serious consequences in your phone rights

615
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: will be taken away. So it's like, I don't know,

616
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: it was just very scary, you know, and toss having

617
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: to talk to your parents and pretend that everything is

618
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: totally fine and nothing bad is happening to you or

619
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: anyone else, And it was very unfair. Guys, I want

620
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: you to hear Spencer Joseph go ahead, dear you know.

621
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: And like I asked my parents after Paris's documentary documentary Art,

622
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, what did the school tell you? I was there?

623
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: And my mom said they were they were very vague.

624
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: They would just say that I wasn't doing very well,

625
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: and which was a total life. I mean, I I

626
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: was almost at a four point ye where I was there,

627
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: I had the most privileges, um you know, I was

628
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: working off site at a hotel, you know, making extra money,

629
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, And they were telling my parents the entire

630
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: time that I wasn't doing very well, and they were

631
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: very vague. And when my mom started asking questions and

632
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: asking for specifics, the school wouldn't tell him. And that's when,

633
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, after finally seventeen months, you know, they my

634
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: mom and dad, we were so suspicious that they would

635
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: when they asked for specific they wouldn't give them. So

636
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: they pulled me out of there. And then they told

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00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: them that I was going to be involved in drugs

638
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: and alcohol. And I had no up to that point,

639
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: I had no history of drugs alcohol And to this day,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a drug or an alcohol problem. And

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Speaker 1: it's and you know, I'm hearing about you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing his testimony from Chris, you know, about his son,

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Speaker 1: and it's like he did everything he thought he was

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Speaker 1: doing the right thing. And I really hope my biggest

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Speaker 1: message to him, and is just you know, don't blame yourself.

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Speaker 1: You did everything that you possibly could. And I know

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Speaker 1: it must be so tortuous, mister Hooker to hear that

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Speaker 1: the cycle seemingly is continuing. Guys, the school insists none

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Speaker 1: of this is true. But as I closed to Connor

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Speaker 1: Richardson joining me from prov daily Harold, as I have

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Speaker 1: said many many times in the law, and it is

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Speaker 1: peculiarly relative to you, Connor, the pen is mightier than

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Speaker 1: the sword. We wait as just as unefalse Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crimes story signing off, goodbye friend,