WEBVTT - On Petromasculinity and Protest 0:00:17.242 --> 0:00:27.802 Push Kidd. Last episode, we heard American Petroleum Institute President 0:00:27.962 --> 0:00:31.722 Mike Summers talk about his concern that a small fringe 0:00:32.442 --> 0:00:33.962 was threatening our way of life. 0:00:34.882 --> 0:00:39.162 A small fringe is stuck in the past. They oppose growth, 0:00:39.442 --> 0:00:44.882 expansion and new infrastructure. There are against new jobs, higher 0:00:44.882 --> 0:00:45.762 living standards. 0:00:46.562 --> 0:00:50.482 Trump, the president with the most fossil fuel money backing 0:00:50.802 --> 0:00:55.282 of any president ever, is not so subtle. What they've 0:00:55.322 --> 0:01:01.402 done to the country is just incredible. The environmentalists, I 0:01:01.482 --> 0:01:03.162 mean they are terrorists. 0:01:03.442 --> 0:01:04.162 They were terrorists. 0:01:04.202 --> 0:01:06.922 I call it the environmental terrorists. 0:01:07.642 --> 0:01:11.842 Repression of descent is a key marker of fascist as 0:01:11.882 --> 0:01:15.241 is the targeting of an internal enemy, which for the 0:01:15.241 --> 0:01:21.842 Trump administration includes climate activists, the nebulous Catchell Antifa, and 0:01:22.002 --> 0:01:24.801 of course immigrants breaking. 0:01:24.482 --> 0:01:27.482 Into people's cars and homes and scenes that evoke Nazi 0:01:27.521 --> 0:01:29.362 Germany or Stalinist Russia. 0:01:29.922 --> 0:01:32.482 What's happening right now in America is evil and it 0:01:32.562 --> 0:01:33.682 is completely illegal. 0:01:34.321 --> 0:01:37.441 We're even hearing about it from folks who helped elect 0:01:37.521 --> 0:01:41.321 Trump in the first place. You don't want militarized people 0:01:41.441 --> 0:01:44.962 in the streets just roaming around snatching people up. Are 0:01:44.961 --> 0:01:47.722 we really going to be that the Gestapo? Where's your papers. 0:01:48.082 --> 0:01:49.562 Is that what we've come to, and. 0:01:49.562 --> 0:01:54.002 Of course it's all connected. The immigration enforcement apparatus is 0:01:54.082 --> 0:01:58.082 being used to punish non citizens who engage in protest 0:01:58.162 --> 0:01:58.761 of any kind. 0:01:58.842 --> 0:02:04.761 For example, arresting and threatening to deport non citizens student. 0:02:04.522 --> 0:02:06.802 And faculty for engaging. 0:02:06.322 --> 0:02:10.402 In luliful political protests is a practice we associate with 0:02:10.442 --> 0:02:11.842 a card to regimes. 0:02:12.402 --> 0:02:14.561 For the record, the courts have ruled over and over 0:02:14.602 --> 0:02:18.322 again that non citizens do have the right to free speech, 0:02:18.562 --> 0:02:20.682 and of course we laid out in our season the 0:02:20.722 --> 0:02:23.682 real free speech threat. How the creation of the Department 0:02:23.682 --> 0:02:27.522 of Homeland Security and the US War on Terror led 0:02:27.642 --> 0:02:31.522 very quickly to an expanded definition of terrorists, which led 0:02:31.522 --> 0:02:35.442 to the targeting of environmental and animal rights activists not 0:02:35.522 --> 0:02:40.162 just in the US but everywhere. Here's a clip from 0:02:40.202 --> 0:02:41.482 a UN report about it. 0:02:43.802 --> 0:02:49.522 We don't have a globally agreed definition of terrorism. As 0:02:49.562 --> 0:02:53.362 the ash was smoldering at the Twin Towers had fallen 0:02:53.722 --> 0:02:57.682 Security Council meets, and in that first month they create 0:02:57.842 --> 0:03:03.642 a new resolution UN Security Council Resolution thirteen seventy three. 0:03:03.802 --> 0:03:10.162 We have adopted a very ambitious, comprehensive strategy. 0:03:11.242 --> 0:03:16.002 Their vortage for throughout the m. 0:03:15.962 --> 0:03:17.042 Meeting as a jount. 0:03:18.442 --> 0:03:22.242 Requires them to legislate against terrorism, but there's no agreed 0:03:22.322 --> 0:03:26.042 definition of terrorism. So each state essentially has got to 0:03:26.082 --> 0:03:30.202 define what terrorism is on its own terms, and the 0:03:30.362 --> 0:03:34.202 absence of a common definition has meant that there's been 0:03:34.242 --> 0:03:38.642 this real ripeness for abuse. States get to define whomever 0:03:38.682 --> 0:03:40.482 they like is a terrorist. 0:03:40.082 --> 0:03:42.762 With almost no consequence at the domestic level. 0:03:43.362 --> 0:03:44.322 And so what we're. 0:03:44.162 --> 0:03:48.322 Seeing around the globe is the imprisonment of civil society. 0:03:48.362 --> 0:03:48.682 Actor. 0:03:49.282 --> 0:03:52.762 We're seeing direct targeting. In some cases, they're killing by 0:03:53.442 --> 0:03:56.082 the permissive framework of counter terrorism. 0:03:56.842 --> 0:04:01.122 Now the Trump administration is targeting civil society groups writ large, 0:04:01.362 --> 0:04:04.602 using foreign influence laws to cut off funding to NGOs 0:04:04.602 --> 0:04:09.202 it doesn't like, and launching federal investigations into organizations that 0:04:09.282 --> 0:04:13.122 focus too much on civil rights or climate change or 0:04:13.162 --> 0:04:17.162 whatever else he's decided he doesn't like that month. In fact, 0:04:17.522 --> 0:04:20.482 nowhere have the fingerprints of the fossil fuel industry on 0:04:20.522 --> 0:04:24.402 this trend been so visible as during the two terms 0:04:24.402 --> 0:04:29.722 of Trump's presidency. That's our story today. After this quick break, 0:04:30.282 --> 0:04:32.402 I'm Ami Westervelt, and this is drilled. 0:04:47.362 --> 0:04:50.522 We have to see more and more dangerous and distructive 0:04:50.642 --> 0:04:53.002 tactics going to season destructure project. 0:04:53.562 --> 0:04:55.762 I'm a shut them now altogether. 0:04:56.562 --> 0:04:59.242 This is Derek Morgan talking at a meeting of the 0:04:59.282 --> 0:05:04.202 American Legislative Exchange Council in twenty sixteen. At the time, 0:05:04.282 --> 0:05:07.041 Morgan was the top lobbyist for the American Fuel and 0:05:07.082 --> 0:05:12.882 Petrochemical Manufacturers, the trade group for refiners, pipe and petrochemical companies. 0:05:13.322 --> 0:05:15.882 They're kind of like the American Petroleum Institute for a 0:05:15.922 --> 0:05:19.682 different part of the industry, and instead of being dominated 0:05:19.682 --> 0:05:25.082 by Exxon, they're dominated by coke industries. Anyway, Morgan was 0:05:25.122 --> 0:05:29.682 there to pitch conservative state legislators on a new sample 0:05:29.802 --> 0:05:32.922 bill that they could take home and adopt to increase 0:05:33.002 --> 0:05:38.041 jail time and fines for protests, specifically protests near big 0:05:38.122 --> 0:05:43.602 infrastructure projects like I don't know oil pipelinestistics on. 0:05:43.802 --> 0:05:45.562 The Dapple protests. 0:05:45.562 --> 0:05:49.762 So between ten and fifteen dollars protesters, seven hundred and 0:05:49.802 --> 0:05:53.722 sixty one arrests, ninety four percent of those from out 0:05:53.722 --> 0:06:00.922 of state, and third or really that happened for ourcrineral records. 0:06:01.202 --> 0:06:05.122 These are all classic anti protest talking points, especially the 0:06:05.162 --> 0:06:08.882 out of state activist thing which fossil fueld companies in particular, 0:06:08.922 --> 0:06:11.562 have been using since the early nineteen hundreds. 0:06:11.962 --> 0:06:13.162 What we wanted to do was. 0:06:13.122 --> 0:06:16.282 Really strengthen the laws on trust me so I would 0:06:16.322 --> 0:06:20.882 see that through as well as auto legislation with highline 0:06:21.042 --> 0:06:21.842 criminal trustment. 0:06:23.802 --> 0:06:28.522 Trespassing laws of course already existed in all of the states, 0:06:28.602 --> 0:06:31.122 just like private property laws and all kinds of other things. 0:06:31.482 --> 0:06:35.482 What these guys were really worried about was protest, particularly 0:06:35.682 --> 0:06:39.882 the Standing Rock protest, the largest Indigenous led protest in 0:06:39.922 --> 0:06:42.962 the country in decades, and one of the largest climate 0:06:43.002 --> 0:06:46.682 protests in the world. That's the Dapple protest that you 0:06:46.722 --> 0:06:51.082 heard Morgan reference earlier. It started in twenty sixteen, but 0:06:51.162 --> 0:06:53.682 by the time Trump had been elected and took office, 0:06:53.962 --> 0:06:57.442 the protest was ending and the backlash was getting going. 0:06:58.242 --> 0:07:01.921 Derek Morgan, the lobbyist you just heard talking there, he's 0:07:02.002 --> 0:07:06.082 a VP at the Heritage Foundation today. That's the organization 0:07:06.202 --> 0:07:11.002 that's spearheaded Project twenty twenty five. Before he got into Advocate, 0:07:11.562 --> 0:07:13.762 he was a lawyer working for a law firm that 0:07:13.882 --> 0:07:19.602 might sound familiar to listeners of this podcast, Pressure Gibson, 0:07:19.682 --> 0:07:23.322 Dunn and Crutcher. That's the firm that eventually accused Greenpeace 0:07:23.362 --> 0:07:27.562 of orchestrating the Standing Rock protests, winning their pipeline company 0:07:27.562 --> 0:07:31.562 client a settlement of over three hundred million dollars. We 0:07:31.642 --> 0:07:34.082 did a whole season on it. Check it out season 0:07:34.082 --> 0:07:38.362 twelve's left. Before Morgan worked at Gibson Dunn, he was 0:07:38.402 --> 0:07:42.682 senior staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. The laws that 0:07:42.682 --> 0:07:45.522 were written and passed as a response to Standing Rock 0:07:45.602 --> 0:07:48.402 during Trump's first presidency put in place a lot of 0:07:48.402 --> 0:07:52.562 the restrictions that were then used against campus pro Palestinian 0:07:52.602 --> 0:07:58.682 protesters during his second term. Earlier this year, Marco Rubio 0:07:58.762 --> 0:08:01.082 did a little tour of an oil rich part of 0:08:01.122 --> 0:08:05.362 the Latin American and Caribbean region, stopping in Guyana and 0:08:05.402 --> 0:08:08.882 then Surinam. He wanted to talk about oil, but the 0:08:08.922 --> 0:08:13.082 press corps kept asking him about the targeting of protesters 0:08:13.162 --> 0:08:16.362 back home. First it was a Reuters reporter at the 0:08:16.362 --> 0:08:17.962 press conference in Guyana. 0:08:19.122 --> 0:08:23.162 Mister Secretary, a Turkish student in Boston was detained and 0:08:23.242 --> 0:08:26.522 handcuffed on the street by playing clothes agents. A year ago, 0:08:26.562 --> 0:08:29.482 she wrote an opinion piece about the Gaza War. Could 0:08:29.482 --> 0:08:34.122 you help us understand what the specific action she took 0:08:34.322 --> 0:08:36.162 led to her visa being a revolt. 0:08:36.362 --> 0:08:37.482 Let me be abundantly clear. 0:08:37.521 --> 0:08:39.521 Okay, if you go apply for a visa right now 0:08:39.562 --> 0:08:42.122 anywhere in the world, let me just send this message out. 0:08:42.281 --> 0:08:44.202 If you apply for a visa to enter the United 0:08:44.242 --> 0:08:46.562 States and be a student, and you tell us that 0:08:46.641 --> 0:08:49.002 the reason why you're coming to the United States is 0:08:49.041 --> 0:08:51.201 not just because you want to write op eds, because 0:08:51.202 --> 0:08:53.562 you want to participate in movements that are involved in 0:08:53.602 --> 0:08:58.242 doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, 0:08:58.281 --> 0:08:59.242 creating a ruckus. 0:08:59.442 --> 0:09:00.642 We're not going to give you a visa. 0:09:01.442 --> 0:09:03.722 If you lie to us and get a visa and 0:09:03.761 --> 0:09:06.321 then enter the United States and with that visa participate 0:09:06.362 --> 0:09:08.162 in that sort of activity, We're going to take away 0:09:08.202 --> 0:09:10.562 your visa and we have a right, like every country 0:09:10.561 --> 0:09:12.842 in the world, right to remove you from our country. 0:09:13.122 --> 0:09:14.122 So it's just that simple. 0:09:14.641 --> 0:09:16.962 I think it's crazy. I think it's stupid for any 0:09:16.962 --> 0:09:19.161 country in the world to welcome people. 0:09:18.842 --> 0:09:19.521 Into their country. 0:09:19.561 --> 0:09:22.401 They're going to go to your universities as visitors. They're 0:09:22.482 --> 0:09:25.962 visitors and say I'm going to your universities to start 0:09:26.002 --> 0:09:26.482 a riot. 0:09:27.641 --> 0:09:30.962 At this point, you can see the Guyanese leaders nervously 0:09:31.041 --> 0:09:35.401 exchanging glances and for good reason. This is a wild answer. 0:09:36.002 --> 0:09:38.242 First of all, students who go to the US to 0:09:38.322 --> 0:09:41.122 study and then decide to take part in a protest 0:09:41.281 --> 0:09:46.002 didn't lie on their visa application. They didn't immigrate solely 0:09:46.041 --> 0:09:49.322 to take part in protests. They might not have even known, 0:09:49.401 --> 0:09:52.202 in fact, almost certainly didn't know that they were going 0:09:52.281 --> 0:09:55.761 to take part in One second, as I mentioned earlier 0:09:55.801 --> 0:10:00.161 in this episode, the first amendment extends to visitors, as 0:10:00.242 --> 0:10:04.362 Rubio calls them. The next day, Rubio's entourage moved on 0:10:04.442 --> 0:10:06.761 to Surinam, and The New York Times hit him with 0:10:06.801 --> 0:10:07.801 another version of this. 0:10:07.842 --> 0:10:13.561 Question, related to China. In twenty nineteen, you supported legislation 0:10:13.722 --> 0:10:16.642 to have the US government support the protesters in Hong Kong, 0:10:16.681 --> 0:10:19.801 the pro democracy protesters, and mostly the protests are peaceful, 0:10:19.881 --> 0:10:23.362 but also occasionally the disrupted public life. And so based 0:10:23.401 --> 0:10:27.042 on your rationale for deporting campus protesters in the US, 0:10:27.362 --> 0:10:29.962 would you now support the Chinese Commanist Party or Hong 0:10:30.041 --> 0:10:33.321 Kong authorities supporting foreigners who took part in those protests 0:10:33.362 --> 0:10:34.042 in twenty nine. 0:10:34.041 --> 0:10:35.522 So, the people that we're getting rid of in our 0:10:35.561 --> 0:10:39.281 country are vandalizing. They're not protesters. They're taking over college campuses. 0:10:39.281 --> 0:10:42.202 They're harassing fellow students. We let them in our country 0:10:42.202 --> 0:10:43.842 to study. They didn't say I want to go to 0:10:43.921 --> 0:10:46.442 university and I want to vandalize your library, and I 0:10:46.442 --> 0:10:48.122 want to wear a mask over my face like if 0:10:48.122 --> 0:10:50.561 it's Halloween and terrorized people. We didn't give them a 0:10:50.641 --> 0:10:51.521 visa to do any of that. 0:10:52.641 --> 0:10:56.842 Keep in mind Rubio was saying this as masked ice agents. 0:10:56.962 --> 0:10:59.161 We're terrorizing the city of Minneapolis. 0:10:59.561 --> 0:11:01.842 So we don't want those people in our country. They're 0:11:01.881 --> 0:11:05.602 going beyond demonstration. They are going and they're creating a ruckus. 0:11:05.641 --> 0:11:09.002 They are creating riots basically on campus, and it's unfair 0:11:09.041 --> 0:11:10.722 for students. People pay a lot of money to go 0:11:10.722 --> 0:11:12.482 to these they borrow money to go these schools. You 0:11:12.521 --> 0:11:15.602 can't even go to class because some lunatic who's covering 0:11:15.641 --> 0:11:19.002 their face is running through campus, spray painting things, harassing people, 0:11:19.161 --> 0:11:20.401 and they're in my country. 0:11:20.122 --> 0:11:20.641 As a guest. 0:11:20.881 --> 0:11:22.561 We want them out, every one of them. 0:11:22.561 --> 0:11:22.961 I find. 0:11:23.002 --> 0:11:25.362 We're going to kick them out again. 0:11:25.521 --> 0:11:30.162 In these press conferences, it's fossil fuels, American might a 0:11:30.202 --> 0:11:34.042 lot of reals, strongman, tough guy rhetoric and targeting of 0:11:34.082 --> 0:11:38.602 a minority group that's causing problems. Or in Rubio speak, 0:11:39.002 --> 0:11:45.522 a ruckus. We talked interseason Carbon Bros. With Non Toxic 0:11:45.801 --> 0:11:50.321 about the connection between male identity and particularly American male identity, 0:11:50.442 --> 0:11:53.602 and fossil fuels and the way that environmental and climate 0:11:53.641 --> 0:11:56.442 policy can then be seen as not just an attack 0:11:56.482 --> 0:12:00.482 on America, like Doctor Brule explained last episode, but also 0:12:00.681 --> 0:12:03.722 as an attack on masculinity. You hear this in the 0:12:03.722 --> 0:12:06.641 way that folks like Jordan Peterson talk about climate. 0:12:08.881 --> 0:12:12.282 You know, it's an intrinsic part of life to feel 0:12:12.281 --> 0:12:15.922 guilty in relationship to nature and to feel guilty in 0:12:15.962 --> 0:12:20.281 relationship to culture. No, it's difficult for us to live 0:12:20.322 --> 0:12:23.602 in harmony with the natural world and for the natural 0:12:23.641 --> 0:12:25.641 world to live in harmony with us, and so we 0:12:26.041 --> 0:12:28.801 have that sense intrinsically that there's a lack in us 0:12:28.801 --> 0:12:33.881 that needs to be redressed, and unfortunately that can be 0:12:34.041 --> 0:12:39.281 weaponized and has been. And what I see happening to 0:12:39.681 --> 0:12:42.881 young men that we have this sense in the world 0:12:42.921 --> 0:12:46.402 that human beings live in antagonism to nature, and that 0:12:46.442 --> 0:12:51.201 we're actually a malevolent force, and that our social structures, 0:12:51.681 --> 0:12:54.841 which are clearly capable of the commission of atrocity, are 0:12:54.881 --> 0:12:57.602 fundamentally oppressive patriarchal in their nature. 0:12:57.641 --> 0:13:01.002 And so then if you're a male in a society 0:13:01.041 --> 0:13:06.002 with that ethos, you're the motive force that drives you 0:13:06.082 --> 0:13:11.681 into the world to live is associated with rapaciousness and 0:13:12.161 --> 0:13:17.482 despoilation on the natural front, and then oppression and atrocity 0:13:17.602 --> 0:13:21.281 on the social front. Well, then if you're the least 0:13:21.322 --> 0:13:26.362 bit conscientious, because this sort of accusation hurts conscientious young 0:13:26.442 --> 0:13:30.321 men the most, then the best you can do is, well, 0:13:30.401 --> 0:13:32.201 let's say castrate yourself. 0:13:32.362 --> 0:13:33.122 How would that be? 0:13:35.521 --> 0:13:37.322 You also hear it in the way the big tech 0:13:37.362 --> 0:13:40.482 guys are thinking and talking about this stuff, which is 0:13:40.602 --> 0:13:44.242 less climate is a hoax, and more unchecked climate change 0:13:44.362 --> 0:13:46.922 is going to send the unwashed masses after us. What 0:13:47.002 --> 0:13:49.761 do we do? This harkens back to a certain strain 0:13:49.921 --> 0:13:54.122 of American male identity too, as Hannah Morris laid out 0:13:54.122 --> 0:13:58.602 in her book Apocalyptic Authoritarianism, particularly with respect to the 0:13:58.641 --> 0:14:01.121 peak oil movement in the early two thousands. 0:14:01.962 --> 0:14:07.042 And they learned about this peak oil and this cops 0:14:07.041 --> 0:14:10.042 of civilization, and this provide them a sense of control, 0:14:10.161 --> 0:14:13.802 a sense of power because of feeling like they are 0:14:13.842 --> 0:14:17.761 among a minority, a small minority of people who knew 0:14:17.881 --> 0:14:21.602 what the future holds, and that they can then navigate 0:14:21.642 --> 0:14:24.762 through that through their sort of rugged individualism, the s 0:14:24.842 --> 0:14:29.122 frontiersmen kind of identity and start tapping into really longstanding 0:14:29.482 --> 0:14:35.802 American masculine identities of feeling as though there's a special 0:14:35.842 --> 0:14:40.522 trait among American men who can really grapple with harsh 0:14:40.602 --> 0:14:43.841 conditions and build a new society, build a new civilization. 0:14:44.802 --> 0:14:47.922 This is being echoed again today in the rhetoric of 0:14:47.962 --> 0:14:52.442 the guys pushing these so called network state idea. When 0:14:52.442 --> 0:14:55.561 Trump and Jade Vance were beating their chests and talking 0:14:55.561 --> 0:14:59.922 about taking over Greenland, yes they were doing classics strongman 0:15:00.122 --> 0:15:03.842 fascism stuff, but they were also pursuing Greenland for a 0:15:03.962 --> 0:15:09.402 very specific reason. The Peter teelbacked company Praxis had tried 0:15:09.442 --> 0:15:12.762 to buy Greenland for the purposes of turning it into 0:15:12.802 --> 0:15:16.802 a network state. That's a neo feudal concept where countries 0:15:16.922 --> 0:15:21.482 are replaced by corporate controlled regions or, in the euphemistic 0:15:21.561 --> 0:15:26.201 language of the network state bros, free economic zones. Anyway, 0:15:26.242 --> 0:15:29.842 Praxice had tried to buy Greenland and failed, but since 0:15:30.042 --> 0:15:34.402 Teal had funded both Trump's campaign and Praxis, they just 0:15:35.122 --> 0:15:38.682 tried again. This time with a Teal vance Pick as 0:15:38.722 --> 0:15:43.242 the US ambassador to Denmark. Here's Practice founder Dryden Brown 0:15:43.681 --> 0:15:46.882 expounding on some of his beliefs in a really interesting 0:15:46.922 --> 0:15:52.722 interview with Amanda Cassette on Endgame. The parallels to peakists, colonialism, 0:15:53.042 --> 0:15:56.162 and little boys in rocket jammys are heart miss. 0:15:56.602 --> 0:15:59.242 In the beginning, you know, we were talking about you know, 0:15:59.322 --> 0:16:03.162 traditional Western values. We were you know, eating eating raw meat, 0:16:03.242 --> 0:16:05.162 drinking eggs. We were like we had a suit of 0:16:05.282 --> 0:16:07.562 armor in our in the apartment. I think there are 0:16:07.561 --> 0:16:09.841 people who sort of found Found Practice, found us and 0:16:10.162 --> 0:16:13.482 thought it was maybe like an enclave of sanity. Maybe 0:16:13.482 --> 0:16:15.242 it was like a you know, a better place to 0:16:15.322 --> 0:16:17.562 be like a guy. Who's a better place to be like 0:16:17.802 --> 0:16:19.882 a man. There are a ton of women in Practice too. 0:16:20.042 --> 0:16:23.002 It turns out that women didn't like the sort of 0:16:23.082 --> 0:16:27.082 you know, COVID man, double vaxed mask wearing soy man. 0:16:28.202 --> 0:16:31.162 All these folks, from Trump and Rubio to Dryden Brown 0:16:31.282 --> 0:16:34.802 and Peter tele complain about the woke mob and snowflake 0:16:34.882 --> 0:16:38.762 liberals cramping their style. They think Gota Tunberg is the 0:16:38.882 --> 0:16:43.162 anti Christ. Literally in Teal's case, They long for the 0:16:43.242 --> 0:16:47.802 days when men were real men. All while not really 0:16:48.002 --> 0:16:51.442 fitting the bill themselves. It's hard to believe that any 0:16:51.442 --> 0:16:54.082 of these guys has ever thrown a punch let alone 0:16:54.202 --> 0:16:58.922 forged a frontier. Perhaps it's their own internal snowflake that 0:16:58.922 --> 0:17:02.442 they're really mad at. In any case, for the past 0:17:02.482 --> 0:17:06.321 several years, the same folks fighting for a particular type 0:17:06.362 --> 0:17:10.842 of masculinity have been fighting against climate action as those 0:17:11.002 --> 0:17:14.561 saving the planet is somehow antithetical to the notion of 0:17:14.642 --> 0:17:18.161 men being heroes. Again, they've also been connecting oil and 0:17:18.202 --> 0:17:24.322 emissions with manliness. Sociologist Carry Daggett says this is no accident, 0:17:24.802 --> 0:17:29.002 and she even coined a term for it, petro masculinity. 0:17:29.922 --> 0:17:32.361 Here she is talking to my Carbon Brose co host 0:17:32.522 --> 0:17:33.642 Daniel Penny. 0:17:34.081 --> 0:17:37.081 With that term. I think it took on a life 0:17:37.081 --> 0:17:39.561 of its own, which was a total surprise to me 0:17:39.841 --> 0:17:45.161 because it can be understood in this deep, structural and 0:17:45.321 --> 0:17:49.121 historic way, which is really where I wanted to go 0:17:49.242 --> 0:17:51.841 with it in the article. And at the same time, 0:17:51.922 --> 0:17:56.121 it's so visibly present that I think just saying the 0:17:56.162 --> 0:18:00.921 word people can understand or think of examples that they see. 0:18:01.361 --> 0:18:05.122 When I wrote about this, it was during the first 0:18:05.121 --> 0:18:10.161 Trump administration, and what I wanted to do was understand 0:18:11.202 --> 0:18:17.002 this connection and far right movements between misogyny, anti feminist politics, 0:18:17.882 --> 0:18:23.522 anti queer politics, and this support for fossil fuel and 0:18:23.561 --> 0:18:27.922 climate denial, and they still tend to be talked about separately, 0:18:28.882 --> 0:18:32.802 as if they are sort of coincidentally inhabiting the same movement. 0:18:34.202 --> 0:18:38.201 And the work that I was reading that led me 0:18:38.442 --> 0:18:43.522 to feel that they are not coincidentally happening together was 0:18:43.561 --> 0:18:50.042 really feminist and ecofeminist work that has for decades pointed 0:18:50.042 --> 0:18:55.081 to the structural connections between the way so called women's 0:18:55.121 --> 0:19:00.401 work or reproductive labor is exploited and treated, and the 0:19:00.442 --> 0:19:05.841 way that often racialized work and colonial work is exploited 0:19:05.882 --> 0:19:08.242 and treated, and then also the way that the work 0:19:08.282 --> 0:19:12.002 of nature or the work of non human animals and 0:19:12.042 --> 0:19:17.002 creatures and plants as exploited and treated. That these kinds 0:19:17.002 --> 0:19:24.042 of justifications and narratives are really interconnected, and so on 0:19:24.081 --> 0:19:27.962 the one hand, it's this deep structural thing that can 0:19:28.002 --> 0:19:31.442 be very hard to see. But on the other hand, conveniently, 0:19:31.522 --> 0:19:35.522 now although tragically it's very easy to see on the 0:19:35.601 --> 0:19:38.321 surface that these things are coming together. 0:19:39.361 --> 0:19:42.121 There's another thing happening to both men and the fossil 0:19:42.121 --> 0:19:46.121 fuel industry right now an existential crisis. And no, I 0:19:46.162 --> 0:19:49.561 don't mean climate change, although yeah, I mean that too. 0:19:49.642 --> 0:19:53.161 But just as fossil dominance is being threatened, so is 0:19:53.202 --> 0:19:56.722 the patriarchy. The same men who feel threatened by the 0:19:56.802 --> 0:20:00.882 existence of trans people also feel threatened by the side 0:20:00.882 --> 0:20:03.802 of a windmill, and they're responding in the same way, 0:20:04.042 --> 0:20:08.242 trying to hang onto power in every way possible, scapegoating 0:20:08.282 --> 0:20:11.522 minority groups, and trying to insist on this st quo 0:20:12.282 --> 0:20:17.962 using force and violence when necessary. Next time on Drill, 0:20:18.042 --> 0:20:20.881 We're gonna wrap this little mini series up in a 0:20:21.002 --> 0:20:25.802 perhaps unexpected place, Guyana, with a look at what the 0:20:25.922 --> 0:20:36.282 US attack on Venezuela was really all about. 0:20:34.202 --> 0:20:38.522 To Brazil, and we gave all of this to Venezuela. 0:20:38.722 --> 0:20:42.162 SLAUNI claimed that two thirds again that it belongs to them. 0:20:42.282 --> 0:20:52.682 Nata no way, sorry here not happening. 0:20:56.522 --> 0:21:01.482 Drilled is an original Critical Frequency production distributed by Pushkin Industries. 0:21:01.922 --> 0:21:05.482 This mini series was written and reported by me Amy Westervelt. 0:21:06.042 --> 0:21:09.881 Our producers are Martin Saltz, Austwich and Peter Duff. Matthew 0:21:09.922 --> 0:21:13.321 Fleming did the art work. Our first Amendment attorney is 0:21:13.402 --> 0:21:17.081 James Wheaton of the First Amendment Project. Thanks for listening 0:21:17.202 --> 0:21:18.442 and we'll see you next time.