Speaker 1: And money. Well, take val we are the authority on
Speaker 1: all things R and B. What's going on, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: My name is Tank, I'm Ja Valentine, and this is
Speaker 1: the Army Money Podcast, the authority. Yeah, we're tapping into
Speaker 1: the were tapped the source. Remember the matrix? He said,
Speaker 1: where do you have to go? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like he's Neil said the one. He said, I have
Speaker 1: to go to the source. I gotta I gotta get
Speaker 1: to the foundation of all of this. Why is it
Speaker 1: like this? Why do we want to be like this
Speaker 1: in the building? We have a pillar of the R
Speaker 1: and B construct This man right here, Mr Jeffrey Osborne. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't flow in on the wings alone. Yeah that
Speaker 1: note like that, love boy boy. There's a question. Here's
Speaker 1: a question, And we're gonna get into what I like
Speaker 1: to call our format as we go back into the
Speaker 1: history to the beginning of of of you and finding
Speaker 1: it and then getting all the way here. But how
Speaker 1: does it feel to be if you don't mind me
Speaker 1: asking your age? Oh? I tell everybody my age all
Speaker 1: the time because I'm kind of proud of it, because
Speaker 1: I kind of stay in shape and I kind of
Speaker 1: learned what seventy four, I'll be seventy five March seven.
Speaker 1: How does it feel at seventy four, seventy five in
Speaker 1: March to be new in It's unbelievable actually, because I
Speaker 1: see it coming back around. I'm just out working all
Speaker 1: the time doing live shows, and it's like the the
Speaker 1: hunger is there for old school R and B music.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's like it's come all the way full
Speaker 1: circle and back around and it's new again, and people
Speaker 1: are I have to do probably more LTD songs in
Speaker 1: my show than I do my own songs. That's how
Speaker 1: far people want to go back. So yeah, So it's
Speaker 1: a great feeling to see that it's been rejuvenated. And uh,
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing young people in my show, starting with
Speaker 1: brother d nice on on doing club quarantine, um, putting
Speaker 1: putting our soul music, our foundational music on an international
Speaker 1: platform which which you know, the world. The Love Affair
Speaker 1: began in such a way all over again to going
Speaker 1: down to Miami with Mike Gardner and and DJ fly
Speaker 1: Guy and and them having a night dedicated Saturday night
Speaker 1: dedicated to R and B music. Yeah, night Room, the
Speaker 1: Highlight Room, Wednesday night, night Light dedicated to soul, R
Speaker 1: and B music. It's incredible. Thank you, yes, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. No. I think those people out there that
Speaker 1: supported it all those years, because it's amazing, and those
Speaker 1: people are still coming out, still still coming in. It's
Speaker 1: like when you dream up of a career, when you
Speaker 1: say you know, I'm going to do this, this is
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. And it's not that you ever
Speaker 1: put an expiration date on yourself or say, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: a retired at this point in time, which I tried
Speaker 1: to do and you know, nither Becker won't let me,
Speaker 1: j won't let me. Like it's just all a few names, um,
Speaker 1: but it's like to see yourself however, many moons later,
Speaker 1: still still selling tickets. Yeah, it's different because is different.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of music, there's a lot of music
Speaker 1: that will listen to that we won't necessarily buy a
Speaker 1: ticket for. That's different because that's a different kind of
Speaker 1: income in a different level of entertainment and sustainability that
Speaker 1: you still have. And you you spoke on being in shape,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like it's still throw a
Speaker 1: couple of hands a little bit, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying some promoters, some promoters get out of line with that.
Speaker 1: Hit him with a couple Yeah you want, oh man.
Speaker 1: But again, thank you brother for giving us, giving us
Speaker 1: something to pull from, giving us something to to to
Speaker 1: be inspired, something for us to aspire to we want.
Speaker 1: I always thought there was an expiration date until I
Speaker 1: started living it, and now I see that it's all
Speaker 1: about health, taking care of yourself and uh, taking care
Speaker 1: of your instrument. You know, you know, because I I'm
Speaker 1: running around with great grandchildren now. You know, when my
Speaker 1: first got married to my wife was we're married forty years.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, we're gonna have kids. I already got kids, like,
Speaker 1: you know, nineteen twenty years old. When we're gonna have kids,
Speaker 1: Am I gonna be able to run and play with
Speaker 1: my kids? Now running and play with my great grandkids.
Speaker 1: So you know, I guess there is no expiration date,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, we all got to go at
Speaker 1: some point. But as far as feeling good, I mean,
Speaker 1: I see some of my constituents still in the business
Speaker 1: eight six years old, still out their singing shows. Yeah, legends,
Speaker 1: you're out there doing it. Well, you're in that bag.
Speaker 1: You in that bag. You do damn right be supporting
Speaker 1: it because we are the authority. Yeah. So, so we
Speaker 1: got to bring them people through. Um, let's go back
Speaker 1: to the beginning. Take us all the way back to
Speaker 1: to the first time somebody said to you, or the
Speaker 1: first time you realized you have something special back in
Speaker 1: Rhode Island, back in back in Rhode Island. Well, I
Speaker 1: guess it started at an early age for me because
Speaker 1: I'm the youngest of twelve and my mother used to
Speaker 1: make me sing for all her fans, her all her friends.
Speaker 1: I mean when I was four and five years old,
Speaker 1: she just called me in the room and said, listen
Speaker 1: to my son, saying, no, I just sing. And uh so,
Speaker 1: being the youngest of twelve and everybody is playing instrument
Speaker 1: some singing, we all sat around and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: we used to go off sing Christmas carols. Christmas. We
Speaker 1: used to walk around the street, all the whole families
Speaker 1: saying Christmas Carroll. So I knew that that's what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do at an early age. I think at
Speaker 1: thirteen is when I started performing in nightclubs, club in
Speaker 1: nightclubs in the streets. That was actually my older brother
Speaker 1: Billy was playing. He had a little band, and I
Speaker 1: was going from Providence to New London, Connecticut at thirteen
Speaker 1: years old and checking out. I was making ten dollars
Speaker 1: a night. I thought that was the ship. But wasn't
Speaker 1: it the ship? It was I got a whole ten dollars.
Speaker 1: What you want to dollars a night? When I need
Speaker 1: somebody to google the inflation of ten dollars dollars If
Speaker 1: you went to the stole, I could get a bag
Speaker 1: bag of groceries. When I first started driving, gas was
Speaker 1: nineteen cent a gallon at sixty Come on, man, nineteen
Speaker 1: you know how far I would go. They don't They
Speaker 1: don't have to do this stuff, is what he's saying.
Speaker 1: They don't have to do it. I don't have to
Speaker 1: do this eight gallon when I first started driving. So
Speaker 1: what's your first car? My first car was like a
Speaker 1: fifty seven Chevy seven. It was It was a dog too.
Speaker 1: It was smoking and ship. I know they was happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it start a little slow, but once we get the movie,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be all right back exactly. You know. Jeffrey
Speaker 1: with seven Jeffrey think on the way to give me too.
Speaker 1: It was just started up for the nightclubs. Nightclubs was
Speaker 1: it was, it was it Everything you thought it was
Speaker 1: was it was. I was like thirteen years old singing
Speaker 1: in front of all these adult people and they were
Speaker 1: going crazy, and so I knew that's what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. But at fifteen, I started playing drums, and
Speaker 1: that's what really got me into the love of this
Speaker 1: because I got a chance to play with a lot
Speaker 1: of the local musicians around and I really started doing
Speaker 1: my own thing in the nightclubs. And then I met
Speaker 1: the O J's when I was fifteen at this club
Speaker 1: I used to play and I went up there, was
Speaker 1: fifteen years old and I went to see him and
Speaker 1: they had a drummer. Back then, the drug was heroin.
Speaker 1: Come on, talk about it. I mean, you know, all
Speaker 1: of all, some of them, all of our great all
Speaker 1: the jazz greats were they were in the heroin. So
Speaker 1: I'm watching this drummer and he's nodding out after every
Speaker 1: song the song ended, he like, and I'm like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is that? That's all I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: That's a whole another level of um. Don't get a
Speaker 1: drummer n So you know, at the end of the night,
Speaker 1: I knew the club and I said, man, I want
Speaker 1: to meet the guys, you know. So I got a
Speaker 1: chance to meet Eddie Old Jays. They have five guys
Speaker 1: in the group back then, and uh, I said, y'all
Speaker 1: need a drummer. They said, yeah, man, you know any
Speaker 1: drummers in town? I said, I played. They said yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're too young. I said, oh, man, I said,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'll call a few drummers. We
Speaker 1: come up the next afternoon. You can audition them if
Speaker 1: you give me a chance to audition. So they said okay,
Speaker 1: and I ended up getting the game. So I ended
Speaker 1: up playing with the Old Jas when I was fifteen
Speaker 1: for two weeks in Providence. They were there for two weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like six nights a week too.
Speaker 1: And my mom said, don't you even think about leaving
Speaker 1: going nowhere with these But at this time they're grown. Man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were They were in their twenties, you know, but
Speaker 1: still fifteen. You know, so you've only been playing drums
Speaker 1: for a year. I've been playing drums for a year. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I never took lessons. It was just natural. I
Speaker 1: just sat down and was able to play and probably
Speaker 1: doing it all the wrong way. But I was playing Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was about the field, you know, as far as
Speaker 1: Rutimus was concerned. I had to figure that out down
Speaker 1: the line, you know, well, this is how you're supposed
Speaker 1: to play this. But yeah, So I got the gig
Speaker 1: with the ODJS, asked me to leave with myself. Couldn't
Speaker 1: do that. So that's when I got the real taste.
Speaker 1: When I knew that I could perform with one of
Speaker 1: the popular groups out today, that was all. That's all
Speaker 1: the inspiration I needed with the os, the OJS at
Speaker 1: that time, they were the OJ's, They had hit records,
Speaker 1: They had hits back then, so you know, I used
Speaker 1: to work part time in the record store, so I
Speaker 1: knew everybody's records back then. And the got that opportunity,
Speaker 1: and that's all I needed. That's when I knew that's
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. My whole my whole career
Speaker 1: is based off of drugs, it seems like, because that's
Speaker 1: how I got into LTD. They came through Providence. I
Speaker 1: was well, I don't know, nineteen twenty years old and
Speaker 1: and uh no black musicians all the in Providence when
Speaker 1: I was growing up. So I was playing with the
Speaker 1: guys that were going through Berkeley School Music. And someone
Speaker 1: said there's ten black musicians playing in this club downtown.
Speaker 1: I said serious, I said, I'm going to see them.
Speaker 1: They were actually Salmon Dave's Band Ltd. Ltd was Salmon
Speaker 1: Dave's band, and they left Salmon Dave and stopped traveling
Speaker 1: up the East coast and they ended up in the
Speaker 1: club in Providence. So I went to see him, and
Speaker 1: now I want to see him. The drummer got taken
Speaker 1: to jail for smoking weed nineteen sixty nine. Weed was
Speaker 1: a major offense. Major offense took his asked the jail
Speaker 1: club on can you sit in with these guys? I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh't know, man, what are they playing? All top forty?
Speaker 1: Like I know all top forties? So I sat in
Speaker 1: with him, sang a couple of songs. Next day they
Speaker 1: asked me to join the group. So was first of
Speaker 1: was Heroin. It was married DRUGA wait for you in
Speaker 1: a good way, in a good way, a good way.
Speaker 1: You got you the gigs. So I left in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy came out to l A, you know, looking for
Speaker 1: the big dream, and we struggled. We played every nightclub
Speaker 1: in l A. You know for admission fee, you know,
Speaker 1: two dollars to get in. That's the money we got.
Speaker 1: And we all lived in a one bedroom apartment. And
Speaker 1: how many guys are because there was there used to
Speaker 1: be and I want to say it was an album
Speaker 1: covering my house and it was like a circle. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was so many black people, so many black
Speaker 1: man And I'm like, this was on you a weird
Speaker 1: picture on that album cover because we all had our
Speaker 1: shirts all why we got our shirts, remembered that cover
Speaker 1: seeing that how many members were in ten of us?
Speaker 1: Ten members? Ten? Yeah, when I joined was ten of us.
Speaker 1: And then one of your brothers with you he joined. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't join when I first joined. He joined down
Speaker 1: the line, but he was there when we started making
Speaker 1: our first records because it took us I guess maybe
Speaker 1: two years, three years just going out working, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then finally uh uh. This female vocalist named Mary Clayton.
Speaker 1: She was popular back then. She was doing background vocals
Speaker 1: for like the Rolling Stones and she was so she
Speaker 1: was on an M Records and they let us come
Speaker 1: up and do a showcase and they said, yeah, but
Speaker 1: we had some we had some original material that was
Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of like hardcore. It was controversial.
Speaker 1: We were talking about everything and so they liked the band,
Speaker 1: but they weren't sure about our music. So they asked
Speaker 1: us to play behind Mary Clayton. So we went up
Speaker 1: and played behind Mary Clayton at the Monterey Folk Festival.
Speaker 1: It was huge. It was like thirty people out there
Speaker 1: and we played. One of the groups fell out and
Speaker 1: they said, we got a twenty minute spot. You all
Speaker 1: want to go ahead and play, and so we went out.
Speaker 1: We did twenty minutes. Record companies saw the crowd of
Speaker 1: you act and that's how we got signed. So what
Speaker 1: did y'all play? We played this topt We didn't we
Speaker 1: weren't going to play all music because we were we
Speaker 1: were a little you know, we were about to the issues.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the issues I mean in terms of
Speaker 1: political So yeah, we just played some top forty stuff.
Speaker 1: They weren't crazy. And we actually signed through a publishing
Speaker 1: company of Jerry Butler talking about R and B Legend
Speaker 1: Jerry Butler. We went through his He had a little
Speaker 1: problem there right, and we signed through his production company.
Speaker 1: We did one record and then the m signed us
Speaker 1: directly to their label. But it was three albums in
Speaker 1: before we had a hit record. The first two records
Speaker 1: nobody even though they are wow, but you guys were
Speaker 1: signed to for those first two records. We were signed
Speaker 1: then they had artist development departments. Of course they don't
Speaker 1: have any more about it, artist development development departments, right,
Speaker 1: and they said, well, we're gonna give you a three
Speaker 1: year window. So after the first two albums they said, okay, uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna stop looking for some produce it. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that you were still they were still allowing y'all to write.
Speaker 1: They were still allows to write. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: our first hit was love Ballot. That was that was
Speaker 1: That was our first hit. Ah have never Yeah, and
Speaker 1: uh that was that was our first hit. That was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wish I did know. That was Skip Scarborough. Skip
Speaker 1: Scarborough was incredible. Yeah. He wrote absolutely the stuff for
Speaker 1: earth win fire stuff. Don't ask my neighbors, he wrote
Speaker 1: all that I mean, don't ask my name. You hear
Speaker 1: that very you know what, don't ask my neighbors, stay out. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is not your business. Don't ask my neighbors. That's
Speaker 1: the internet, now your neighbors. Skip wrote some Big, You
Speaker 1: Can't Hide Love for Earth Winding Fire. He was a
Speaker 1: great songwriter. Yeah. The funny thing about that song is
Speaker 1: that it was the Myzelle brothers, Larry and Fonds Myzelle.
Speaker 1: They d C they produced the record. Okay, and uh,
Speaker 1: we were getting ready to do the session that night
Speaker 1: and they didn't show up. So we're sitting there and
Speaker 1: I'm in there like seven o'clock. Okay, it's midnight. Producers
Speaker 1: ain't showed up yet, Like, oh, I know this ship
Speaker 1: going on right now, so hap. So we had a
Speaker 1: little me and then I'm like, you know what, let's
Speaker 1: just let's just leave, Let's just come back tomorrow. But
Speaker 1: they come in about twelve one o'clock and they got
Speaker 1: this story and they're like, man, oh yeah, just say
Speaker 1: you know, hold on, man, can you just go in
Speaker 1: and try to sing this song. So by the time
Speaker 1: we got to that point after the meeting, it was
Speaker 1: three thirty four o'clock in the morning, and I said,
Speaker 1: you want me to actually go in and sing a
Speaker 1: song now at three thirty four o'clock and one, just
Speaker 1: give it a shot. So I went in. I sang
Speaker 1: love Ballot one take walked out. That was the take
Speaker 1: wait wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, hold hold up,
Speaker 1: that was it? Come on, big Jeff, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: talking bottom. Huh So when the record you're listening to
Speaker 1: the record that your mama's mama, right, your auntie. We're
Speaker 1: just singing this record on top of the couches exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're listening to this. You're listening to one thing. No punches,
Speaker 1: no punches, well you know back then going on, Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't they have to actually literally cut the tape right,
Speaker 1: no vocal enhancement that one day Boom Love Ballot has
Speaker 1: no steroids, it has one try everything you need, everything
Speaker 1: you need, and it's got a vamph on it. Your
Speaker 1: boys must have been somebody was from church, because that's
Speaker 1: the only one you get. You know what I'm saying. See,
Speaker 1: there's much bore. Tim, Tim just kept rolling, but we
Speaker 1: have this. They don't start getting to you to the
Speaker 1: seventeen times. I feel it now, I feel it now.
Speaker 1: Who you had a bad at about four gd morning,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to that record completely there right now.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, crazy, it's a lot, it's but it's a
Speaker 1: lost start. Most of my recordings one take, mostly all
Speaker 1: of my recordings with one take. That's so you're throwing
Speaker 1: the champagne back on me. I'm just saying, yeah, but
Speaker 1: when it rains, get no, no, no no, when it rains,
Speaker 1: get wet, get wet. I George used to call me dude.
Speaker 1: George has called me one take. It's going and do
Speaker 1: it at George your story now your story was to George.
Speaker 1: Doke used to call me one take, one take. The
Speaker 1: difference though, in one take is that that is the
Speaker 1: real true feeling you have for the song. Everything after
Speaker 1: that is you're trying to sing like yourself. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: once you once you give that one take, you kind
Speaker 1: of give it all the emotion, everything you feel in
Speaker 1: that song. After that, when you keep punching in, it
Speaker 1: becomes you know, it's just not the same. It's not
Speaker 1: it doesn't have that real true energy anymore, because you know,
Speaker 1: I might now here's the thing about George that I love.
Speaker 1: I might have saying a word out of tune and
Speaker 1: he said, that's the trash factor. Be that ship alone.
Speaker 1: Don't touch it. I'm like, George, it's a little don't
Speaker 1: touch it. It's the feel making trash factor. He said,
Speaker 1: you're making me feel it. I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: in tune. It has that feel and that's what you
Speaker 1: can't produce. Again. Sometimes when you're punching in trying to
Speaker 1: you're trying to jump into that emotional and it don't
Speaker 1: quite have the same feel. That's the Mary J. Blige fact.
Speaker 1: But I mean as you become, you know, a veteran artist,
Speaker 1: you learn how to do that better and better, so
Speaker 1: you know, you can you start getting the knack for
Speaker 1: punching in, but it don't still don't have that vibe.
Speaker 1: I used to do most of the stuff with George.
Speaker 1: We would have because it was all live musicians, you know,
Speaker 1: all that. We had studio full of live musicians and
Speaker 1: they would be in and I would be in the
Speaker 1: booth while we were doing the tracks, singing, and we
Speaker 1: keep them some of them vocals. So it's just the vibe,
Speaker 1: you know, It's something about being in the room with
Speaker 1: the musicians to that just give you that the last
Speaker 1: time anybody's done that that. So that's what LTD. That's
Speaker 1: how it was too. Yeah, you guys were it was
Speaker 1: a band. So you go in and you sing while there.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times, you know, I would
Speaker 1: have to sing after God played drums on a lot
Speaker 1: of the LTD stuff too. I'm a drummer as well.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, that that makes a differences different, makes
Speaker 1: it different. Kind of get inside of yourself and even
Speaker 1: when it's like when it comes to like arranging the
Speaker 1: shows and things like that, like I can being a musician,
Speaker 1: I can hear things, and being a too, I can
Speaker 1: articulate things a lot better because I understand it from
Speaker 1: a musicians standpoint, which I think gives us. I won't
Speaker 1: say unfair advantage is what it is, because it's it's
Speaker 1: crazy from the business side of it. You know. I'll
Speaker 1: have conversations with promoters and buyers in different markets, and
Speaker 1: you know they'll be like, oh, yeah, you know, we
Speaker 1: just you know we we won't tank to sitting in
Speaker 1: with a house man. I'm like, you do understand this
Speaker 1: man as a musician, right, he can't just go sit
Speaker 1: in with anybody. It's just not going to happen. Don't
Speaker 1: work a lot of times, it's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1: Like I get it. Yeah, I mean every every now
Speaker 1: and then you'll be like, okay, but most times it's
Speaker 1: like and I don't like to have to go and rehearse.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, another man, you gotta go sit in rehearse.
Speaker 1: It's like before this, I'm like, no, that ain't working.
Speaker 1: So you know, do you still sound check? No? Not
Speaker 1: at all. Every now and then. If I want to
Speaker 1: add something to the show, but I don't sound check anymore.
Speaker 1: I had my background single, He'll just check the mic,
Speaker 1: you know. You know, if I'm feeling like I want to,
Speaker 1: I will, But most times I don't. I take that nap.
Speaker 1: Talk about that, talk about that, talk about the talking
Speaker 1: about But this is also inside. This is also a
Speaker 1: chance to get to see and hear about the process
Speaker 1: that a lot of people just don't talk about. They
Speaker 1: don't talk about how important rest is. Rest is the
Speaker 1: most important thing, you know what I mean, you're jumping
Speaker 1: on these planes. You you know, either are you on
Speaker 1: this bus all night? Whatever it is, but you need
Speaker 1: your rest. And you know, people don't realize that the
Speaker 1: vocal cord is the smallest muscle in the body and
Speaker 1: it gets used more than any other muscle because you're
Speaker 1: talking about it all there. You're talking, talking, so you
Speaker 1: you're banging on it all day long. And know the
Speaker 1: only real, true vocal rest is to shut the hell up.
Speaker 1: You gotta shut up, you know. And that's that's hard.
Speaker 1: That's hard. It's hard to dis hard. That's the life
Speaker 1: of the party. Yeah, when you are the focal point, exactly,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk to talk everybody before the show.
Speaker 1: They want to come backstage, and it's like, damn, I'd
Speaker 1: be trying to say no, but it's like he likes
Speaker 1: to turn up, to turn and he would be on
Speaker 1: our way to the bed, like, yeah, man, you don't
Speaker 1: really want I'm gonna relax and see you know, somebody
Speaker 1: bringing ribs some I'm like, you don't even eat ribs?
Speaker 1: Why what are you doing? What are you doing? People
Speaker 1: in the room got the music, yeah, exactly. So you
Speaker 1: got this hit love Ballot, right and and and you've
Speaker 1: you've been dropping albums, yeah, and trying to figure it
Speaker 1: out and find your way, and now you found it.
Speaker 1: What changes you're making more than ten dollars a night?
Speaker 1: Y'are splitting it? Oh yeah, we'll split ten. Respect Yeah,
Speaker 1: respect that we're a group. That ultimately, that's what happens
Speaker 1: when you're in a group. Right, I'm talking to people
Speaker 1: who don't want to split the money evenly you know,
Speaker 1: possibly a group called T G T. I don't know
Speaker 1: who was in the group. Tyree genuine the tank spent
Speaker 1: the money even that's right, it's supposed to be. We
Speaker 1: have a historian in the building Ltd. A theologian of
Speaker 1: this R and B thing that says the money is
Speaker 1: to be split, you know what, like if you even
Speaker 1: ever have a conversation of like, listen, I've seen the lead.
Speaker 1: So no, no, we were set up all wrong, which
Speaker 1: is why I ended up leaving the group. I mean
Speaker 1: we were set up when I when we first started,
Speaker 1: they were asking me to put other people's names on
Speaker 1: my songs so we could all get out published and
Speaker 1: the publish and get their own you know, get set
Speaker 1: up in ask cap and being my we all need
Speaker 1: to be set up and so like a fool, I
Speaker 1: was doing that ship back then. So you know, you
Speaker 1: start learning as you go along. H But we were
Speaker 1: we were set up completely wrong. I mean I admire
Speaker 1: today's youth because I love the fact that they collaborate
Speaker 1: with one another. You see collaborations, which is they didn't
Speaker 1: do that back in the day. Old school. You never
Speaker 1: saw that back in the day. You know, if you
Speaker 1: think about it. Look at all the talent that was
Speaker 1: out there, and nobody came together, you know, like you
Speaker 1: in genuine and taries. You know, they just didn't do
Speaker 1: it that way. So I got kind of to the
Speaker 1: point where I, Okay, I think I'm ready to leave.
Speaker 1: Now it's time for me to kind of move on
Speaker 1: to the next step. But we'll get we'll get to
Speaker 1: the we'll get to the I'm sure, I'm sure, but
Speaker 1: but we we kind of veered off of when you
Speaker 1: get that first hit record, that first hit record, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what it did for me. The biggest change
Speaker 1: was I had been playing and singing at the same time.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what to do when the record
Speaker 1: company said you gotta hit record. You gotta go stand
Speaker 1: out front and sing it can't see You with four
Speaker 1: horn players behind front of you. The ladies love this song.
Speaker 1: I was singing from the no just after the record
Speaker 1: when it came out. Yeah, that's when they said you
Speaker 1: need to get up. But I was singing from the
Speaker 1: drums and my brother Billy played drums. So when I
Speaker 1: saying he would play something, and then when he sang,
Speaker 1: I would play it. But there was a lot of
Speaker 1: times where I was singing and playing at the same time,
Speaker 1: so I didn't really know what to do with my hands.
Speaker 1: You know, I got hit record, I'm standing out there,
Speaker 1: but I'm like so, I'm like, okay. Well, so they said,
Speaker 1: you know what, well on at you somebody too to
Speaker 1: kind of take you through being out front. Stage. President
Speaker 1: was the audience. So we got this guy that was
Speaker 1: the theater director at l A City College and he
Speaker 1: came and worked with me, and he was incredible man.
Speaker 1: He he really taught me how to control an audience,
Speaker 1: bring an audience in. You know. The most important thing
Speaker 1: he told me was look that last person in that
Speaker 1: last seat. That's who you work too Forget these people
Speaker 1: right here, they're right in front of you. If you
Speaker 1: get that person, you got the whole place. So he
Speaker 1: made me project learn how to project, learn how to
Speaker 1: bring people in. All this that I didn't know as
Speaker 1: I was sitting there all closed up like playing drug.
Speaker 1: So that was the biggest That was the biggest adjustment
Speaker 1: for me was learning how to be out front and
Speaker 1: learning how to you know, take command of the stage. Yeah, so, so,
Speaker 1: how how long does it take you all to get
Speaker 1: to the next hit uh, the next album, So we
Speaker 1: only had one hit off that first one we had.
Speaker 1: But you know, radio was different back then because radio
Speaker 1: would play everything off your record, whether it was a
Speaker 1: single or none. You don't do that today. You know,
Speaker 1: the album came out, they played four or five songs,
Speaker 1: so people were hearing the other things on the record,
Speaker 1: but the one that talked was love Balance. And the
Speaker 1: next album was back in Love, and that just that
Speaker 1: said that, you said, that's what Now, that's a story
Speaker 1: in itself, back in Love, because back then it was different.
Speaker 1: You know what record companies they had R and B
Speaker 1: departments and they had popped the park and they didn't
Speaker 1: want to work our records pop R and B. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you're not gonna work this record. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's starting to move up the charts pretty good. And
Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, where it crossed over on
Speaker 1: its own. Today it's totally different, but it had actually
Speaker 1: crossed over on the soon. So they didn't want to
Speaker 1: take any want to take credit for it. Damn thing
Speaker 1: you record pop at all. But then it started becoming
Speaker 1: a major hit in the department started taking a little
Speaker 1: interest in us. There. You know, different world back then.
Speaker 1: That's that's an all timer as well. Like y'all was
Speaker 1: just coming back to back like the back and Love record,
Speaker 1: like because now you go from love ballot to a
Speaker 1: slow jam. Now you got the Temple record, y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: and the y'all and the barbecues, the backyard, the club
Speaker 1: that y'all everywhere. Now, it was there a huge difference
Speaker 1: in having a Love Ballot to back in Love as
Speaker 1: far as just from a performance since from where you
Speaker 1: were taking because I'm obviously you know, because the other
Speaker 1: thing that they have now is they have like, uh
Speaker 1: like hosting gigs and club appearances. Y'all wouldn't but y'all
Speaker 1: didn't have that. Y'all just did y'all show. Yeah, y'all
Speaker 1: don't get paid to go to the to the club
Speaker 1: after what we did after shows? Yeah, oh yeah, it
Speaker 1: was always after shows. That that's what the promoters thing.
Speaker 1: It's always the after party. Yeah that he paid you
Speaker 1: guys to come to. No, he didn't pay us to
Speaker 1: come to it, didin't. We didn't get paid to go
Speaker 1: to the after show back then that's what you get paid. No, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you get paid right If this is gonna be an
Speaker 1: after show, you're gonna get paid. But yeah, back then
Speaker 1: it was all about hanging out, hanging out with the promotives,
Speaker 1: trying to get in good so they keep booking you,
Speaker 1: you know, And we had we had the big tours
Speaker 1: back then because it was LTD Commodoors, you know, that
Speaker 1: was that was one of the major tours. We did
Speaker 1: like maybe three tours with the ticket doors. That was huge.
Speaker 1: LTD Commodoors. And then you know, we did O J's
Speaker 1: and back then it was con function and pilot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how many cities would you guys do in one tour? Man,
Speaker 1: they killed us back then, I swear we were doing
Speaker 1: we did in seventy nine, we did the Jackson tour.
Speaker 1: We opened up for the Jacksons. That's when Michael had
Speaker 1: Off the Wall and he would come out and do
Speaker 1: the Jackson show and then they would leave and he
Speaker 1: would come out and do the whole Off the Wall out.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. It was crazy. This was crazy, I mean,
Speaker 1: and we were doing fourteen, fourteen nights in a row
Speaker 1: until Michael said, I can't do this no more. He's like,
Speaker 1: uh so we started canceling dates. Yeah, two weeks straight,
Speaker 1: we performing a night that was a big show everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we was doing the big places.
Speaker 1: That's when I knew that I might have had a
Speaker 1: few hits. But this is a real superstar. Hear this, dude,
Speaker 1: this is different. I've seen things and I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean because we were at a bus store, so
Speaker 1: we traveled together. We had a bus LTD. And Jackson.
Speaker 1: They had a bus and dude has to come out
Speaker 1: and disguise us every day. He couldn't even walk out.
Speaker 1: He had to be completely disguised every day. And they
Speaker 1: would put up to the stage, get out, do the show,
Speaker 1: finish the show, get back in the limo right there,
Speaker 1: big color seum and drive out and people would jump
Speaker 1: on top of the car as they were driving up
Speaker 1: the ramp to get to this dude. I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. They threw a kid
Speaker 1: through the window at Holiday in in Baltimore to get
Speaker 1: to him. What you mean to get to him? Well,
Speaker 1: he we finished the show, came over. They knew we
Speaker 1: were at the Hotel Baltimore. This food comes out of
Speaker 1: his rumors like two story holiday and walks around and
Speaker 1: they see him. They pick up a kid, throw him
Speaker 1: through the window and all rushed through to get the
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson use a boy as a molotop. This is
Speaker 1: a stop. There's a whole another level. That's a different level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever see again. We won't that
Speaker 1: in life. Not that. Yeah he was not that. That's
Speaker 1: that's amazing, and and so does so. Is that in
Speaker 1: a sense what took y'all? There a record like back
Speaker 1: At Back in Love? Yeah, we did that. Then we
Speaker 1: had we had, you know, love Balid and then we
Speaker 1: had a lot of ballots that were big back then.
Speaker 1: We both deserve each other, concentrate on you all these songs.
Speaker 1: Holding On was big we had. So we started piling
Speaker 1: up some of the hits. Then we were we were
Speaker 1: rolling and LTD was a great live then, I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you they were. And four horn players was doing
Speaker 1: steps out there and horns. We put the pressure on everybody.
Speaker 1: So it was a great live group. Yeah, it was exciting. Lie,
Speaker 1: We're seeing Michael, you know, coming out there do his
Speaker 1: thing by his self. Was that an inspiration to you?
Speaker 1: It was more inspiration is that he used to come
Speaker 1: to my dress room and asked me what I did
Speaker 1: to keep my voice and shape because he would be
Speaker 1: running out of gas. But you know, anybody dancing around
Speaker 1: like that and singing, I'm like, dude, you're going to
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. And Jeffrey, what are you saying? What do
Speaker 1: you say? What do you say? Jeffrey? What he saying? Jeffrey?
Speaker 1: I need you because everybody has a DESCRIPTIONI how they feel.
Speaker 1: Michael really talk. Some people was playing mentor it Jeffrey
Speaker 1: man voice, keep going out, ship man, tell me what
Speaker 1: I gotta do? Dogs? What do you do? What do
Speaker 1: you do? Man? It was really there. It was really
Speaker 1: there because but that is also a form of vocal arrest,
Speaker 1: which people don't know that the Jacksons have mastered. They
Speaker 1: speak low, Yeah, speak low, And it's not like they
Speaker 1: don't project heavy. They're not doing what these two right here,
Speaker 1: ye man. Vocal therapy is singing as soft as you can.
Speaker 1: It's not about these opera singers that have vocal therapy.
Speaker 1: They go in and they're singing no and just trying
Speaker 1: to open up this and keep the airstream and contract
Speaker 1: as long as you can just hold a note. It's
Speaker 1: not singing and with any force at all. It's all
Speaker 1: as soft as you can control in the airstream and
Speaker 1: some of the exercises that they do is like, you know,
Speaker 1: to take that glass and fill it up half of
Speaker 1: water and take a straw and you're blowing that straw
Speaker 1: and it's like, and you control the bubbles. If the
Speaker 1: bubbles come over the top of the glass, you ain't
Speaker 1: doing the ship right. So you gotta keep the bubbles
Speaker 1: inside the glass. And it's all about controlling the airstream.
Speaker 1: And it's as soft as you can It's not because
Speaker 1: you know, I had I had COVID about four months
Speaker 1: ago and I'm like, damn, you know, and that it
Speaker 1: messed me up. My respiratory was so I talked to
Speaker 1: my throat out. He said, just go to this vocal therapist.
Speaker 1: I'm like, so I went. And the whole thing she
Speaker 1: had me doing was as soft as you can sing.
Speaker 1: It's all real easy. I need that number, Huh, I
Speaker 1: need to go to a vocal therapist. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was incredible just and those are basically just simple things
Speaker 1: she was doing. You know, they called this backward kazoo
Speaker 1: thing when they have you shape your mouth so that
Speaker 1: your cheeks are in and you're no, you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to puff them and it's just controlling the airstream real
Speaker 1: soft and you go up to scale. No, it's like
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, a few hours later, another two any minutes,
Speaker 1: get that glasses that straw boom, and it's amazing. It
Speaker 1: opens it really does open you up. But it's totally
Speaker 1: it's totally the opposite that I thought. I thought she
Speaker 1: was gonna have me trying to bang at the top
Speaker 1: of my range. And she's like, oh no, no, it
Speaker 1: ain't about that. So do you do these daily? Now?
Speaker 1: I do? Now? I do it now? Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: still I still haven't recovered from COVID. I mean, I
Speaker 1: have my natural voice is fine, but it took away
Speaker 1: my false setter, and so I had still and I'm
Speaker 1: still struggling to get into my false setter. But these
Speaker 1: are the exercises that they gave me, which vocal therapy
Speaker 1: I was. I was blown away. I'm thinking, vocal therapy
Speaker 1: is gonna be some strenuous stuff here, total opposite. What
Speaker 1: was the advice you gave Michael? Michael, uh, steaming mhm.
Speaker 1: He was asking me, and I said, well, you should
Speaker 1: steam a little bit, because steaming is like, to me,
Speaker 1: the most important things local hygiene and steaming is one.
Speaker 1: It lubricates the chord. It takes any kind of swelling
Speaker 1: down off the court. So is that with with like
Speaker 1: an you can get something like that or just portable well,
Speaker 1: you know, Luke eucalyptus. You know, you're the old guy.
Speaker 1: You know eucalypt This is it's kind of a myth
Speaker 1: because it's a it's a mental mentholated kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And what it does is it opens you up right
Speaker 1: away and then it tightens your chord. So anything like
Speaker 1: eucalyptus or meant anything that is not good to really steam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so just straight water straight and I carry a portable steamer.
Speaker 1: There's several different kinds you can get, but it's a
Speaker 1: it's the steam. I steam after it shown sometimes before
Speaker 1: a show, because you know, the moisture helps on the
Speaker 1: court and it does take the swelling down. So I
Speaker 1: do a lot of little crazy things like that. I
Speaker 1: steam goggle with the nastiest ship in the world, golden
Speaker 1: seal root powder. It's like goggling with dirt because it's
Speaker 1: a root powder. But it's incredible what it does for you.
Speaker 1: Golden golden seal root powder. So I'll steam, and then
Speaker 1: I'll goggle and then I shut up and go to sleep.
Speaker 1: You're giving up, And I'll tell you a really good
Speaker 1: sea salt is good. If you get a sea salt
Speaker 1: that has all the trace minerals in it and goggle
Speaker 1: with that warm water, that really helps too. That sus
Speaker 1: really does golden golden seal. But you need to get
Speaker 1: the roots. Get some golden root powder. Root powder. It
Speaker 1: comes in the capsule. You used to come in bolt,
Speaker 1: but now it's always in the capsule and you just
Speaker 1: open the capsule up, pour it in, put some warm
Speaker 1: water in and it's nasty though. I mean it tastes
Speaker 1: like dirt in It doesn't bother me. Some people don't
Speaker 1: like the taste of stuff like that. But I've been
Speaker 1: vegan for money, an it's money in the dirt. Listen.
Speaker 1: It tastes like there was money to dark. Yeah. Ah,
Speaker 1: you vegan out too. Yeah. I just started eating fish
Speaker 1: in the last four months, but I've been vegan for
Speaker 1: the most seven years. I went straight vegan. Did you
Speaker 1: feel do you feel like that helped you at all
Speaker 1: as far as your you know, from from your your
Speaker 1: vocal ability, or I think it's just just so health.
Speaker 1: I just for overall health. Yeah, I felt a lot
Speaker 1: more efficient, you know, I just felt efficient after going
Speaker 1: vegan and then my whole It made it easy because
Speaker 1: my whole family went at the same time, my wife,
Speaker 1: my son, we all did at the same time. But
Speaker 1: it was one of the best things I've done. So
Speaker 1: now I'm basically still vegan, but I'll eat some fish now.
Speaker 1: I went to a train on Toby you need some
Speaker 1: fatty acids because some of them will make a fatty acids.
Speaker 1: I was funny, I'm like, what this bodybuild? Does that
Speaker 1: a vegan? He said, yeah, but you know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I said what he said? They're taking uh animal protein
Speaker 1: and ain't no way that that that they're using weight protein.
Speaker 1: They're not using vegan protein. I was like, really, he said,
Speaker 1: you ain't building all that muscle? Would no, No, you
Speaker 1: need Yeah that So LTD y'all own tour y'are doing
Speaker 1: your thing with the Jackson's y'all one of the biggest
Speaker 1: groups in the world. What happens? What happened? What that
Speaker 1: makes you just like, you know? What? Enough? Did you?
Speaker 1: Did you ever want to go? So that that was
Speaker 1: the last tour that I did and I wasn't supposed
Speaker 1: to do that tour. I had actually let them know
Speaker 1: two years in front of that that I was ready
Speaker 1: to leave the group. Two years two years I did.
Speaker 1: I did an album and another tour after I had
Speaker 1: told him I wanted to leave. So you didn't pull
Speaker 1: a flash in the five heart beats, I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's lonely at the top. It come out next week. No,
Speaker 1: no you didn't. I kind of let them know that,
Speaker 1: you know, I was ready to leave. It's it's like
Speaker 1: I said, it wasn't set up right. So I was
Speaker 1: get in office from record company to do a solo record,
Speaker 1: and they squashed that because I had a group member.
Speaker 1: I had a songwriter's agreement that I signed with the group,
Speaker 1: like stupid ship you do when you're young, and uh
Speaker 1: so they wouldn't let me out of the songwriters agreement
Speaker 1: and they stopped me from doing a solo record, so
Speaker 1: you know, and then they didn't want me to write
Speaker 1: for other people because I was stotting the right for people.
Speaker 1: People were like asking me the right and they were like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You go to songwriters agreement with us.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is too confining I gotta go.
Speaker 1: That would have made them money, right, that would have
Speaker 1: made everybody more money. Since you were signed to this agreement,
Speaker 1: if you wrote for other people to agree where they
Speaker 1: make money from it, or was it just an agreement
Speaker 1: just you have to write for the group. It was
Speaker 1: agreement with the group within the group. You know, I
Speaker 1: had to write. All the stuff I wrote was before
Speaker 1: the group and so tied to it. So you know,
Speaker 1: at that point, I'm like, well, you on what. I
Speaker 1: can't deal with this anymore. So I'm it's time for
Speaker 1: me to get out of here. So I left, But
Speaker 1: it took it took almost two years before I actually left,
Speaker 1: after I gave them the notice that I was going
Speaker 1: to leave. So that holds seventy nine tour and nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy nine that was That was the last tour I did.
Speaker 1: Like I like people, so and that makes a big good.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get asked I stopped doing these cruisers
Speaker 1: because that reason, because you were the key. They were like, cruisers,
Speaker 1: we want you to do the cruise, we want you
Speaker 1: to stay on because you're so nice to the people.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but when I come out that cabin,
Speaker 1: they are over come on, let's take this picture. How
Speaker 1: to turn this camera around? Say? How you turning this camera?
Speaker 1: Be taking up too much of the time. We're taking
Speaker 1: too much just trying to get this kid like I
Speaker 1: took a fitture with you yesterday. Yeah, but that was yesterday.
Speaker 1: I got on my Michael course person. They need to
Speaker 1: see this. It's something that that we didn't skip it off.
Speaker 1: We just hadn't got to it yet. Very very very
Speaker 1: it's gonna be this is I don't even know if
Speaker 1: we got enough alcohol liquor champagne. The poor when I
Speaker 1: bring up this, bring it up, bring it up. We
Speaker 1: are the world, We are the world, We are the children.
Speaker 1: This was the one of the first songs that I
Speaker 1: ever sang, really ever. Wow, you really make me feel
Speaker 1: old now. Like my parents, my dad especially would make
Speaker 1: me get in the living room and make me and
Speaker 1: my brothers we all saying we and my sister and
Speaker 1: we would have to sing we are the World mhm
Speaker 1: and we were so we love that record so much.
Speaker 1: And you were a part of this record. This this
Speaker 1: record had every major artist known to man at this
Speaker 1: time on this record. And you have to tell us
Speaker 1: the backstory to We Are the world and if there
Speaker 1: were some people who didn't get on this record that
Speaker 1: was salty and then and then explain the one piece
Speaker 1: of video where Michael Jackson is looking at uh oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Bruce Springstey. I think it was Bruce springste It was
Speaker 1: too much, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't think you should do that.
Speaker 1: It was incredible, man, it was you know, they set
Speaker 1: it up perfectly because it was it was after the
Speaker 1: American of Music American Music Awards show, so that finished
Speaker 1: at like, I don't know, six or seven o'clock that night,
Speaker 1: and I got the call the day before from Quincy
Speaker 1: and he said, and are you up to able to
Speaker 1: do this song? Or we heard the world? We got
Speaker 1: all he told me all these artists, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? And the only reason I got
Speaker 1: the call is because Prince canceled on it. So Prince
Speaker 1: fell out at the last minute, and Quincy said, now
Speaker 1: I got a spot, man, I got a spot. Can
Speaker 1: you come. I'm like, yeah, I can come. I'll be there.
Speaker 1: And it was just amazing to see that many people
Speaker 1: in A and M studios that night, and it was magical.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely magical, you know. And you had Stevie
Speaker 1: in one corner at the piano and he's going over
Speaker 1: everybody's parts, you know, he's playing and they was trying
Speaker 1: to sing their little solo part, and you know, and
Speaker 1: he had algarrole over here and Alice in tears because
Speaker 1: you know, Alice one of them real spiritual, emotional people,
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh my god. And you guys
Speaker 1: had so many facets going on all over the place.
Speaker 1: I think the most incredible moment was when we all
Speaker 1: stopped and everybody took the sheet music and had everybody
Speaker 1: signed it. And to see that many artists walk around
Speaker 1: getting signatures from the other And I have mine and
Speaker 1: I have mine frames so this is like the jersey swap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was crazy with all Michael Jordan's that's crazy. It
Speaker 1: was crazy. So I still have mine framed, you know. Uh.
Speaker 1: But it was pretty amazing. So, you know, and I
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to sing. I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I want to sing. Give me two words. Question what
Speaker 1: we're doing? We're do you know what I do? So
Speaker 1: Quincy says, hey, man, I know you didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to sing, won't you just wait and at the
Speaker 1: end we'll set up a couple of mics and we'll
Speaker 1: haven't want to have a few people just add living
Speaker 1: and you can throw ad lib in here. I'm like great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we waited at the end. It was probably six
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. We was in there all night,
Speaker 1: six o'clock in the morning, and it was me, it
Speaker 1: was James, and it was Diana Ross and we sat
Speaker 1: there and we sang ad libs and then I get
Speaker 1: the call Quincy and we can't use to add I'm like, why,
Speaker 1: he said, Diana sang through everybody else's adement. She wouldn't stopped,
Speaker 1: she sang. She just kept singing his work. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty you know, I just got a call
Speaker 1: last week. They're trying to do a special one. We
Speaker 1: are the World. It's like the year Anniversity or something.
Speaker 1: They wanted me to come up to the A and
Speaker 1: M and do a interview. What the night was like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was crazy, it was pretty special. Nut, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was an amazing That was an amazing record.
Speaker 1: Do you know how many units that sold? I mean,
Speaker 1: I know it was all the charity, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's like knowing it has to be the biggest single ever. No,
Speaker 1: it had to be one of them. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out if they ever tracked all the money down huh,
Speaker 1: you know, because it was I got tricky with the money.
Speaker 1: Who I think he got tricky. I don't know what happened,
Speaker 1: but held to go to Yeah, you can play with
Speaker 1: any money. They would play with any They played with
Speaker 1: the Church's money money. Wow, did you even get a
Speaker 1: plaque anything? Is there? A We're the real plaque? I
Speaker 1: never got a plaque or anything. Come back, it's got
Speaker 1: to be a plaque. Somebody hit up to r I A.
Speaker 1: It's got to be certified at Fox hunting million copies
Speaker 1: or something. Man, just just fill up the room with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it had to be a ridiculous amount. It was like
Speaker 1: the biggest thing ever. And everybody had it in their show. Everybody.
Speaker 1: I was doing it in my show. I had three
Speaker 1: or four vocalist singing pots and stuff. I want to
Speaker 1: see Harry Belafonte, he's doing it in his show. It's
Speaker 1: funny people that were in it to be like wow,
Speaker 1: and everybody was doing it in their show's live When
Speaker 1: that came out, it was big. It was right, It
Speaker 1: was the biggest songs ever. He dropped a lot of
Speaker 1: names in that. You know, he didn't even dropped all
Speaker 1: the names either. There's so many people that were part
Speaker 1: of that. Oh yeah, it was crazy. Did you Okay?
Speaker 1: So as a vocalist, though, did you ever have a
Speaker 1: moment like those vocus are tricky why they're letting him
Speaker 1: sing because we all singers and we didn't been in
Speaker 1: rooms and we're like, yeah, yeah, you know I can
Speaker 1: do that part. Did you ever, I know, you had
Speaker 1: a moment where you're just like, well, you know, you
Speaker 1: always think why didn't not get that shot? But the
Speaker 1: beautiful thing was everybody sang what they wanted to sing.
Speaker 1: They brought their own individuality. Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They didn't try to be somebody else, you know, like
Speaker 1: even Bob Dylan, I mean he was just doing it
Speaker 1: wasn't many melodic notes, but he got it out. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got yeah. Like but we remembering that that was
Speaker 1: great man, And I just had to bring that up
Speaker 1: because that was a pivotal part of my childhood, that
Speaker 1: record and just you know, seeing that togetherness and it's
Speaker 1: probably something I still tap into and why I feel
Speaker 1: like things should be more collaborative because that was my
Speaker 1: first time seeing major artists together. Yeah yeah, it was powerful,
Speaker 1: extremely powerful. So we're gonna go from Weird the World
Speaker 1: Who to this great section it's called I ain't saying
Speaker 1: on that yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, because there was enough
Speaker 1: names on Weird the World. But yeah, so, uh, the
Speaker 1: rules of this segment of the show is you tell
Speaker 1: us a story funnier, fucked up, are funny and fucked up,
Speaker 1: But the only rule is you can't say the name.
Speaker 1: So this is Jeffrey Osborne's Woo Woo Woo version. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, if I saying on names, Wow, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of that moment you had, R and B music. Brother,
Speaker 1: he didn't been to a lot of places and a
Speaker 1: lot of Yeah, I've been to a lot of places.
Speaker 1: I've seen stampedes. I mean that was crazy. One night
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. It was just you know, at the
Speaker 1: Dome and it's us and the old Jay's story, that
Speaker 1: the whole another story. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you know,
Speaker 1: and then I don't know what happened. Something happened in
Speaker 1: the crowd and people went crazy and they came in
Speaker 1: mounted police on horses running through the crowd, trampling people,
Speaker 1: trampling people. Yeah, that's crazy, but I had to say
Speaker 1: I was on two with this one route. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah group. Everybody know this group because they was they
Speaker 1: was they still? Yeah, it was popping back then. And
Speaker 1: uh so we go to the sound check, so, you know,
Speaker 1: we're upset. We're waiting around to do our sound check
Speaker 1: and they take it all day. They were like, so
Speaker 1: we're like in the back, come on, god damn, you know,
Speaker 1: we gotta get out sound checking. What the hell is
Speaker 1: going on? And they just messing around and somebody yelled
Speaker 1: out to a long The next thing you know was
Speaker 1: gunshots everywhere and were ducking down and some Pilson's behind
Speaker 1: the drums and uh we actually finally made it out
Speaker 1: of there, and it was I can't say no names,
Speaker 1: I can't tell you who it was. Somebody shot at
Speaker 1: y'all shot the sound checked out. They were actually shooting
Speaker 1: at each other and we were in the room they
Speaker 1: were fighting. Yeah, they were sound checking and we were
Speaker 1: trying to boom along. They start yelling and then talking
Speaker 1: back and forth. Next thing you know, they start shooting
Speaker 1: at each other. Oh, see. This is why we don't
Speaker 1: have groups anymore. This is why we don't have groups.
Speaker 1: Tell you hip hop and got nothing on us. Listen,
Speaker 1: we shooting at the sound check. They shot up the
Speaker 1: sound they shot they show did wow. Yeah that into
Speaker 1: the arm, into the arm beef to a whole another level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my god, that was when that was in the seventies,
Speaker 1: probably seventy eight. Here's a better question. Just did y'all
Speaker 1: still to do the show? Yeah, we did, and they did.
Speaker 1: They Come on, come on, come on, show must go on,
Speaker 1: Show must go home. You gotta get to the R
Speaker 1: and B money. Listen, Pull that bullet out, wrap him
Speaker 1: up right, stitch him up, some badges on it. We
Speaker 1: got work to see these damn songs. We got R
Speaker 1: and B work to do to night. Listen, man um brother,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Osborn Man, you are you are you, You are Him,
Speaker 1: and you are you have stood beyond stood the test
Speaker 1: of time. You're still thriving in this wonderful place that
Speaker 1: we call R and B music, that we love and
Speaker 1: be whole so dearly, and you are are elder, You
Speaker 1: are you are him, and we we have love and
Speaker 1: flowers and respect for you, and we look forward to
Speaker 1: you having to continue to cancel shows because you are
Speaker 1: overbooked right now, right now at seventy four, about to
Speaker 1: be seventut to your daughter Tiffany, come on till all right,
Speaker 1: your son in law Frank, come on, and my god,
Speaker 1: little Jeff. Yeah, this is why it's happy right here.
Speaker 1: This is why this has happened right here. We appreciate
Speaker 1: You're right about that. We appreciate them. You know. I
Speaker 1: love what Tiffany and Frank are doing over there district.
Speaker 1: And and my son he works. He my house engineer. Yes,
Speaker 1: my life sounds. He's incredible and doing all that video
Speaker 1: work over there, and the video work he does a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's good. You know that's where my juice bid is.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, juicing there. Yeah, come out, come out, black
Speaker 1: business baby community. Uh, we love you, man is man.
Speaker 1: They love for having me. So I'm taking I'm Jay
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