WEBVTT - Jeffrey Osborne 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:13.880 And money. Well, take val we are the authority on 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:20.080 all things R and B. What's going on, ladies and gentlemen. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.840 My name is Tank, I'm Ja Valentine, and this is 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:29.440 the Army Money Podcast, the authority. Yeah, we're tapping into 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:34.240 the were tapped the source. Remember the matrix? He said, 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.239 where do you have to go? You know what I mean? 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.320 Like he's Neil said the one. He said, I have 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.120 to go to the source. I gotta I gotta get 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.239 to the foundation of all of this. Why is it 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.440 like this? Why do we want to be like this 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.920 in the building? We have a pillar of the R 0:00:53.960 --> 0:01:02.840 and B construct This man right here, Mr Jeffrey Osborne. Yeah, 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:10.800 he didn't flow in on the wings alone. Yeah that 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:18.800 note like that, love boy boy. There's a question. Here's 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.080 a question, And we're gonna get into what I like 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.720 to call our format as we go back into the 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.319 history to the beginning of of of you and finding 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.000 it and then getting all the way here. But how 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:35.920 does it feel to be if you don't mind me 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.000 asking your age? Oh? I tell everybody my age all 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.440 the time because I'm kind of proud of it, because 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:42.959 I kind of stay in shape and I kind of 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:48.600 learned what seventy four, I'll be seventy five March seven. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.160 How does it feel at seventy four, seventy five in 0:01:54.240 --> 0:02:02.160 March to be new in It's unbelievable actually, because I 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:06.120 see it coming back around. I'm just out working all 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:12.120 the time doing live shows, and it's like the the 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:16.680 hunger is there for old school R and B music. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.120 It's amazing. It's like it's come all the way full 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.600 circle and back around and it's new again, and people 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.160 are I have to do probably more LTD songs in 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.919 my show than I do my own songs. That's how 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.399 far people want to go back. So yeah, So it's 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.040 a great feeling to see that it's been rejuvenated. And uh, 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:41.280 and I'm seeing young people in my show, starting with 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:49.800 brother d nice on on doing club quarantine, um, putting 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.600 putting our soul music, our foundational music on an international 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:59.080 platform which which you know, the world. The Love Affair 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:03.800 began in such a way all over again to going 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.400 down to Miami with Mike Gardner and and DJ fly 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:13.799 Guy and and them having a night dedicated Saturday night 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:19.640 dedicated to R and B music. Yeah, night Room, the 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:26.200 Highlight Room, Wednesday night, night Light dedicated to soul, R 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:32.480 and B music. It's incredible. Thank you, yes, thank you, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.480 thank you. No. I think those people out there that 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.680 supported it all those years, because it's amazing, and those 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.000 people are still coming out, still still coming in. It's 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.360 like when you dream up of a career, when you 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:47.840 say you know, I'm going to do this, this is 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.720 what I'm gonna do. And it's not that you ever 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.360 put an expiration date on yourself or say, Okay, I'm 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.320 a retired at this point in time, which I tried 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.600 to do and you know, nither Becker won't let me, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.760 j won't let me. Like it's just all a few names, um, 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:08.760 but it's like to see yourself however, many moons later, 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:21.760 still still selling tickets. Yeah, it's different because is different. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.280 There's a lot of music, there's a lot of music 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.359 that will listen to that we won't necessarily buy a 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:35.599 ticket for. That's different because that's a different kind of 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:40.440 income in a different level of entertainment and sustainability that 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.359 you still have. And you you spoke on being in shape, 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.000 you know what I'm saying, Like it's still throw a 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:46.280 couple of hands a little bit, you know what I'm 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.560 saying some promoters, some promoters get out of line with that. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:05:02.440 Hit him with a couple Yeah you want, oh man. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.520 But again, thank you brother for giving us, giving us 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.279 something to pull from, giving us something to to to 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.120 be inspired, something for us to aspire to we want. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.359 I always thought there was an expiration date until I 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.920 started living it, and now I see that it's all 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:24.720 about health, taking care of yourself and uh, taking care 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.400 of your instrument. You know, you know, because I I'm 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.920 running around with great grandchildren now. You know, when my 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.760 first got married to my wife was we're married forty years. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.000 I'm like, well, we're gonna have kids. I already got kids, like, 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.719 you know, nineteen twenty years old. When we're gonna have kids, 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.440 Am I gonna be able to run and play with 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.680 my kids? Now running and play with my great grandkids. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:52.320 So you know, I guess there is no expiration date, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.120 you know. I mean, we all got to go at 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.840 some point. But as far as feeling good, I mean, 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.839 I see some of my constituents still in the business 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.560 eight six years old, still out their singing shows. Yeah, legends, 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.000 you're out there doing it. Well, you're in that bag. 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:13.400 You in that bag. You do damn right be supporting 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.240 it because we are the authority. Yeah. So, so we 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.680 got to bring them people through. Um, let's go back 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:25.240 to the beginning. Take us all the way back to 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.800 to the first time somebody said to you, or the 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:33.200 first time you realized you have something special back in 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:37.240 Rhode Island, back in back in Rhode Island. Well, I 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.480 guess it started at an early age for me because 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:44.279 I'm the youngest of twelve and my mother used to 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.920 make me sing for all her fans, her all her friends. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.320 I mean when I was four and five years old, 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:52.440 she just called me in the room and said, listen 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:56.280 to my son, saying, no, I just sing. And uh so, 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.960 being the youngest of twelve and everybody is playing instrument 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.600 some singing, we all sat around and saying, you know, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.920 we used to go off sing Christmas carols. Christmas. We 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:06.719 used to walk around the street, all the whole families 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.880 saying Christmas Carroll. So I knew that that's what I 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.920 wanted to do at an early age. I think at 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:19.440 thirteen is when I started performing in nightclubs, club in 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.880 nightclubs in the streets. That was actually my older brother 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:27.080 Billy was playing. He had a little band, and I 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.120 was going from Providence to New London, Connecticut at thirteen 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.840 years old and checking out. I was making ten dollars 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.400 a night. I thought that was the ship. But wasn't 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:40.520 it the ship? It was I got a whole ten dollars. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:45.760 What you want to dollars a night? When I need 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:50.200 somebody to google the inflation of ten dollars dollars If 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:54.640 you went to the stole, I could get a bag 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.640 bag of groceries. When I first started driving, gas was 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.400 nineteen cent a gallon at sixty Come on, man, nineteen 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.800 you know how far I would go. They don't They 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.720 don't have to do this stuff, is what he's saying. 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.880 They don't have to do it. I don't have to 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:19.000 do this eight gallon when I first started driving. So 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.160 what's your first car? My first car was like a 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:27.320 fifty seven Chevy seven. It was It was a dog too. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:36.800 It was smoking and ship. I know they was happening. Yeah, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.080 it start a little slow, but once we get the movie, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.520 we're gonna be all right back exactly. You know. Jeffrey 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:47.959 with seven Jeffrey think on the way to give me too. 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:52.280 It was just started up for the nightclubs. Nightclubs was 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.480 it was, it was it Everything you thought it was 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.400 was it was. I was like thirteen years old singing 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.720 in front of all these adult people and they were 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.000 going crazy, and so I knew that's what I wanted 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:09.160 to do. But at fifteen, I started playing drums, and 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.040 that's what really got me into the love of this 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.680 because I got a chance to play with a lot 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.199 of the local musicians around and I really started doing 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.120 my own thing in the nightclubs. And then I met 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.360 the O J's when I was fifteen at this club 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.000 I used to play and I went up there, was 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.360 fifteen years old and I went to see him and 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:36.920 they had a drummer. Back then, the drug was heroin. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.440 Come on, talk about it. I mean, you know, all 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.360 of all, some of them, all of our great all 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.880 the jazz greats were they were in the heroin. So 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.880 I'm watching this drummer and he's nodding out after every 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:51.000 song the song ended, he like, and I'm like, oh, like, 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.560 what the hell is that? That's all I'm looking at. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:58.040 That's a whole another level of um. Don't get a 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:05.360 drummer n So you know, at the end of the night, 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.559 I knew the club and I said, man, I want 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.079 to meet the guys, you know. So I got a 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.760 chance to meet Eddie Old Jays. They have five guys 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.360 in the group back then, and uh, I said, y'all 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.240 need a drummer. They said, yeah, man, you know any 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.679 drummers in town? I said, I played. They said yeah, 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.760 but you're too young. I said, oh, man, I said, 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.959 I'll tell you what. I'll call a few drummers. We 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.760 come up the next afternoon. You can audition them if 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.520 you give me a chance to audition. So they said okay, 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.000 and I ended up getting the game. So I ended 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:35.800 up playing with the Old Jas when I was fifteen 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.280 for two weeks in Providence. They were there for two weeks. 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.320 I mean it was like six nights a week too. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.000 And my mom said, don't you even think about leaving 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:51.920 going nowhere with these But at this time they're grown. Man. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:53.960 they were They were in their twenties, you know, but 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.920 still fifteen. You know, so you've only been playing drums 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.680 for a year. I've been playing drums for a year. Yeah. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.680 And I never took lessons. It was just natural. I 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.360 just sat down and was able to play and probably 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.520 doing it all the wrong way. But I was playing Yeah, yeah, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.400 it was about the field, you know, as far as 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.040 Rutimus was concerned. I had to figure that out down 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.440 the line, you know, well, this is how you're supposed 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.040 to play this. But yeah, So I got the gig 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.400 with the ODJS, asked me to leave with myself. Couldn't 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.920 do that. So that's when I got the real taste. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.680 When I knew that I could perform with one of 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.640 the popular groups out today, that was all. That's all 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.640 the inspiration I needed with the os, the OJS at 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.280 that time, they were the OJ's, They had hit records, 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.480 They had hits back then, so you know, I used 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.160 to work part time in the record store, so I 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:47.599 knew everybody's records back then. And the got that opportunity, 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.600 and that's all I needed. That's when I knew that's 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:54.120 what I wanted to do. My whole my whole career 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.640 is based off of drugs, it seems like, because that's 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.720 how I got into LTD. They came through Providence. I 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.080 was well, I don't know, nineteen twenty years old and 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.120 and uh no black musicians all the in Providence when 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:07.599 I was growing up. So I was playing with the 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.480 guys that were going through Berkeley School Music. And someone 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.040 said there's ten black musicians playing in this club downtown. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.479 I said serious, I said, I'm going to see them. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:22.640 They were actually Salmon Dave's Band Ltd. Ltd was Salmon 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:26.040 Dave's band, and they left Salmon Dave and stopped traveling 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:27.800 up the East coast and they ended up in the 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.120 club in Providence. So I went to see him, and 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.520 now I want to see him. The drummer got taken 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:37.520 to jail for smoking weed nineteen sixty nine. Weed was 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.880 a major offense. Major offense took his asked the jail 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.600 club on can you sit in with these guys? I'm like, 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.439 oh't know, man, what are they playing? All top forty? 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:48.720 Like I know all top forties? So I sat in 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.760 with him, sang a couple of songs. Next day they 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.599 asked me to join the group. So was first of 0:12:55.640 --> 0:13:01.720 was Heroin. It was married DRUGA wait for you in 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:03.520 a good way, in a good way, a good way. 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.439 You got you the gigs. So I left in nineteen 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.400 seventy came out to l A, you know, looking for 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.280 the big dream, and we struggled. We played every nightclub 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.280 in l A. You know for admission fee, you know, 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.280 two dollars to get in. That's the money we got. 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.880 And we all lived in a one bedroom apartment. And 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.080 how many guys are because there was there used to 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:27.800 be and I want to say it was an album 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.400 covering my house and it was like a circle. Oh yeah, 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.360 and it was so many black people, so many black 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.040 man And I'm like, this was on you a weird 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.040 picture on that album cover because we all had our 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:43.480 shirts all why we got our shirts, remembered that cover 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:53.600 seeing that how many members were in ten of us? 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:57.200 Ten members? Ten? Yeah, when I joined was ten of us. 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:01.319 And then one of your brothers with you he joined. Yeah, 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.240 he didn't join when I first joined. He joined down 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.400 the line, but he was there when we started making 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.960 our first records because it took us I guess maybe 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:14.280 two years, three years just going out working, yeah, and 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:19.440 then finally uh uh. This female vocalist named Mary Clayton. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:24.280 She was popular back then. She was doing background vocals 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.320 for like the Rolling Stones and she was so she 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.120 was on an M Records and they let us come 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.000 up and do a showcase and they said, yeah, but 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.840 we had some we had some original material that was 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:41.359 you know, it was kind of like hardcore. It was controversial. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.840 We were talking about everything and so they liked the band, 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.840 but they weren't sure about our music. So they asked 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.000 us to play behind Mary Clayton. So we went up 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.960 and played behind Mary Clayton at the Monterey Folk Festival. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.520 It was huge. It was like thirty people out there 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:01.960 and we played. One of the groups fell out and 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.640 they said, we got a twenty minute spot. You all 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.400 want to go ahead and play, and so we went out. 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.800 We did twenty minutes. Record companies saw the crowd of 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.360 you act and that's how we got signed. So what 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.960 did y'all play? We played this topt We didn't we 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.240 weren't going to play all music because we were we 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:23.560 were a little you know, we were about to the issues. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.680 We're talking about the issues I mean in terms of 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:32.240 political So yeah, we just played some top forty stuff. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:37.600 They weren't crazy. And we actually signed through a publishing 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.800 company of Jerry Butler talking about R and B Legend 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.720 Jerry Butler. We went through his He had a little 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.920 problem there right, and we signed through his production company. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.560 We did one record and then the m signed us 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.920 directly to their label. But it was three albums in 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.800 before we had a hit record. The first two records 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:02.440 nobody even though they are wow, but you guys were 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.800 signed to for those first two records. We were signed 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.840 then they had artist development departments. Of course they don't 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:14.680 have any more about it, artist development development departments, right, 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.200 and they said, well, we're gonna give you a three 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.080 year window. So after the first two albums they said, okay, uh, 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:26.680 we're gonna stop looking for some produce it. Yeah, so 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.080 that you were still they were still allowing y'all to write. 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.280 They were still allows to write. Yeah, but you know, 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.000 our first hit was love Ballot. That was that was 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:48.560 That was our first hit. Ah have never Yeah, and 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:51.880 uh that was that was our first hit. That was like, oh, 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:56.240 I wish I did know. That was Skip Scarborough. Skip 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.480 Scarborough was incredible. Yeah. He wrote absolutely the stuff for 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:06.119 earth win fire stuff. Don't ask my neighbors, he wrote 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.840 all that I mean, don't ask my name. You hear 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:15.639 that very you know what, don't ask my neighbors, stay out. Okay, 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:22.040 this is not your business. Don't ask my neighbors. That's 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:27.520 the internet, now your neighbors. Skip wrote some Big, You 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.280 Can't Hide Love for Earth Winding Fire. He was a 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:34.000 great songwriter. Yeah. The funny thing about that song is 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.600 that it was the Myzelle brothers, Larry and Fonds Myzelle. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.320 They d C they produced the record. Okay, and uh, 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.560 we were getting ready to do the session that night 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.439 and they didn't show up. So we're sitting there and 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:51.880 I'm in there like seven o'clock. Okay, it's midnight. Producers 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.600 ain't showed up yet, Like, oh, I know this ship 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:59.399 going on right now, so hap. So we had a 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.800 little me and then I'm like, you know what, let's 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.240 just let's just leave, Let's just come back tomorrow. But 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.120 they come in about twelve one o'clock and they got 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.200 this story and they're like, man, oh yeah, just say 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.119 you know, hold on, man, can you just go in 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.160 and try to sing this song. So by the time 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:15.960 we got to that point after the meeting, it was 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.040 three thirty four o'clock in the morning, and I said, 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.520 you want me to actually go in and sing a 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.040 song now at three thirty four o'clock and one, just 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.120 give it a shot. So I went in. I sang 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.000 love Ballot one take walked out. That was the take 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.359 wait wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, hold hold up, 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.920 that was it? Come on, big Jeff, I'm telling you 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:42.239 talking bottom. Huh So when the record you're listening to 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.800 the record that your mama's mama, right, your auntie. We're 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.720 just singing this record on top of the couches exactly. Yeah, 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:56.200 we're listening to this. You're listening to one thing. No punches, 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.840 no punches, well you know back then going on, Yeah, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.360 don't they have to actually literally cut the tape right, 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:10.040 no vocal enhancement that one day Boom Love Ballot has 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:16.080 no steroids, it has one try everything you need, everything 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.920 you need, and it's got a vamph on it. Your 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.960 boys must have been somebody was from church, because that's 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:34.480 the only one you get. You know what I'm saying. See, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:44.760 there's much bore. Tim, Tim just kept rolling, but we 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:49.399 have this. They don't start getting to you to the 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.800 seventeen times. I feel it now, I feel it now. 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:57.880 Who you had a bad at about four gd morning, 0:19:58.200 --> 0:19:59.960 I'm gonna listen to that record completely there right now. 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:09.040 It's crazy, crazy, it's a lot, it's but it's a 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.639 lost start. Most of my recordings one take, mostly all 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.400 of my recordings with one take. That's so you're throwing 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.159 the champagne back on me. I'm just saying, yeah, but 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.720 when it rains, get no, no, no no, when it rains, 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:28.360 get wet, get wet. I George used to call me dude. 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.600 George has called me one take. It's going and do 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:40.440 it at George your story now your story was to George. 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.840 Doke used to call me one take, one take. The 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.080 difference though, in one take is that that is the 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:51.359 real true feeling you have for the song. Everything after 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.960 that is you're trying to sing like yourself. Yeah, you know, 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.320 once you once you give that one take, you kind 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.639 of give it all the emotion, everything you feel in 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.320 that song. After that, when you keep punching in, it 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:08.560 becomes you know, it's just not the same. It's not 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:12.760 it doesn't have that real true energy anymore, because you know, 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.280 I might now here's the thing about George that I love. 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:17.840 I might have saying a word out of tune and 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.280 he said, that's the trash factor. Be that ship alone. 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.399 Don't touch it. I'm like, George, it's a little don't 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:30.160 touch it. It's the feel making trash factor. He said, 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.080 you're making me feel it. I don't care if it's 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.520 in tune. It has that feel and that's what you 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.720 can't produce. Again. Sometimes when you're punching in trying to 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.760 you're trying to jump into that emotional and it don't 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.920 quite have the same feel. That's the Mary J. Blige fact. 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.359 But I mean as you become, you know, a veteran artist, 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.760 you learn how to do that better and better, so 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.720 you know, you can you start getting the knack for 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.960 punching in, but it don't still don't have that vibe. 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.320 I used to do most of the stuff with George. 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.240 We would have because it was all live musicians, you know, 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:08.359 all that. We had studio full of live musicians and 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:09.679 they would be in and I would be in the 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:14.760 booth while we were doing the tracks, singing, and we 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:19.520 keep them some of them vocals. So it's just the vibe, 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:21.679 you know, It's something about being in the room with 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.280 the musicians to that just give you that the last 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:28.120 time anybody's done that that. So that's what LTD. That's 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.200 how it was too. Yeah, you guys were it was 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.280 a band. So you go in and you sing while there. 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.119 You know, a lot of times, you know, I would 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.520 have to sing after God played drums on a lot 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.840 of the LTD stuff too. I'm a drummer as well. 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:46.880 Oh really, yeah, that that makes a differences different, makes 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:51.440 it different. Kind of get inside of yourself and even 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.280 when it's like when it comes to like arranging the 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.440 shows and things like that, like I can being a musician, 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.600 I can hear things, and being a too, I can 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:03.760 articulate things a lot better because I understand it from 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.120 a musicians standpoint, which I think gives us. I won't 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:11.520 say unfair advantage is what it is, because it's it's 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.080 crazy from the business side of it. You know. I'll 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:18.639 have conversations with promoters and buyers in different markets, and 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:20.200 you know they'll be like, oh, yeah, you know, we 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.800 just you know we we won't tank to sitting in 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.720 with a house man. I'm like, you do understand this 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.920 man as a musician, right, he can't just go sit 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.640 in with anybody. It's just not going to happen. Don't 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:33.600 work a lot of times, it's just not going to happen. 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:36.480 Like I get it. Yeah, I mean every every now 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.680 and then you'll be like, okay, but most times it's 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:44.680 like and I don't like to have to go and rehearse. 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.520 That's the thing, another man, you gotta go sit in rehearse. 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:51.040 It's like before this, I'm like, no, that ain't working. 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:56.359 So you know, do you still sound check? No? Not 0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:58.440 at all. Every now and then. If I want to 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.639 add something to the show, but I don't sound check anymore. 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:05.360 I had my background single, He'll just check the mic, 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.359 you know. You know, if I'm feeling like I want to, 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:12.119 I will, But most times I don't. I take that nap. 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:20.560 Talk about that, talk about that, talk about the talking 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:27.879 about But this is also inside. This is also a 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:32.760 chance to get to see and hear about the process 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.080 that a lot of people just don't talk about. They 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:38.600 don't talk about how important rest is. Rest is the 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:40.440 most important thing, you know what I mean, you're jumping 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.960 on these planes. You you know, either are you on 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:44.880 this bus all night? Whatever it is, but you need 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:48.919 your rest. And you know, people don't realize that the 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.040 vocal cord is the smallest muscle in the body and 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.560 it gets used more than any other muscle because you're 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:57.720 talking about it all there. You're talking, talking, so you 0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:00.320 you're banging on it all day long. And know the 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:05.000 only real, true vocal rest is to shut the hell up. 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.320 You gotta shut up, you know. And that's that's hard. 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:11.280