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Speaker 1: have a historian in the building Ltd. A theologian of

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00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: this R and B thing that says the money is

425
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: to be split, you know what, like if you even

426
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: ever have a conversation of like, listen, I've seen the lead.

427
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: So no, no, we were set up all wrong, which

428
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: is why I ended up leaving the group. I mean

429
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: we were set up when I when we first started,

430
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: they were asking me to put other people's names on

431
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: my songs so we could all get out published and

432
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: the publish and get their own you know, get set

433
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: up in ask cap and being my we all need

434
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: to be set up and so like a fool, I

435
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: was doing that ship back then. So you know, you

436
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: start learning as you go along. H But we were

437
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: we were set up completely wrong. I mean I admire

438
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: today's youth because I love the fact that they collaborate

439
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: with one another. You see collaborations, which is they didn't

440
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: do that back in the day. Old school. You never

441
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: saw that back in the day. You know, if you

442
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: think about it. Look at all the talent that was

443
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: out there, and nobody came together, you know, like you

444
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: in genuine and taries. You know, they just didn't do

445
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: it that way. So I got kind of to the

446
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: point where I, Okay, I think I'm ready to leave.

447
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: Now it's time for me to kind of move on

448
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: to the next step. But we'll get we'll get to

449
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: the we'll get to the I'm sure, I'm sure, but

450
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: but we we kind of veered off of when you

451
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: get that first hit record, that first hit record, I'll

452
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: tell you what it did for me. The biggest change

453
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: was I had been playing and singing at the same time.

454
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: I had no idea what to do when the record

455
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: company said you gotta hit record. You gotta go stand

456
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: out front and sing it can't see You with four

457
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: horn players behind front of you. The ladies love this song.

458
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: I was singing from the no just after the record

459
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: when it came out. Yeah, that's when they said you

460
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: need to get up. But I was singing from the

461
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: drums and my brother Billy played drums. So when I

462
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: saying he would play something, and then when he sang,

463
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: I would play it. But there was a lot of

464
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: times where I was singing and playing at the same time,

465
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: so I didn't really know what to do with my hands.

466
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: You know, I got hit record, I'm standing out there,

467
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: but I'm like so, I'm like, okay. Well, so they said,

468
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: you know what, well on at you somebody too to

469
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: kind of take you through being out front. Stage. President

470
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: was the audience. So we got this guy that was

471
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: the theater director at l A City College and he

472
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: came and worked with me, and he was incredible man.

473
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: He he really taught me how to control an audience,

474
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: bring an audience in. You know. The most important thing

475
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: he told me was look that last person in that

476
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: last seat. That's who you work too Forget these people

477
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: right here, they're right in front of you. If you

478
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: get that person, you got the whole place. So he

479
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: made me project learn how to project, learn how to

480
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: bring people in. All this that I didn't know as

481
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: I was sitting there all closed up like playing drug.

482
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: So that was the biggest That was the biggest adjustment

483
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: for me was learning how to be out front and

484
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: learning how to you know, take command of the stage. Yeah, so, so,

485
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: how how long does it take you all to get

486
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: to the next hit uh, the next album, So we

487
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: only had one hit off that first one we had.

488
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: But you know, radio was different back then because radio

489
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: would play everything off your record, whether it was a

490
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: single or none. You don't do that today. You know,

491
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: the album came out, they played four or five songs,

492
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: so people were hearing the other things on the record,

493
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: but the one that talked was love Balance. And the

494
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: next album was back in Love, and that just that

495
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: said that, you said, that's what Now, that's a story

496
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: in itself, back in Love, because back then it was different.

497
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: You know what record companies they had R and B

498
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: departments and they had popped the park and they didn't

499
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: want to work our records pop R and B. And

500
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you're not gonna work this record. I mean,

501
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: it's starting to move up the charts pretty good. And

502
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, where it crossed over on

503
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: its own. Today it's totally different, but it had actually

504
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: crossed over on the soon. So they didn't want to

505
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 1: take any want to take credit for it. Damn thing

506
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: you record pop at all. But then it started becoming

507
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: a major hit in the department started taking a little

508
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: interest in us. There. You know, different world back then.

509
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: That's that's an all timer as well. Like y'all was

510
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: just coming back to back like the back and Love record,

511
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: like because now you go from love ballot to a

512
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: slow jam. Now you got the Temple record, y'all, y'all

513
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: and the y'all and the barbecues, the backyard, the club

514
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: that y'all everywhere. Now, it was there a huge difference

515
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: in having a Love Ballot to back in Love as

516
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: far as just from a performance since from where you

517
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: were taking because I'm obviously you know, because the other

518
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: thing that they have now is they have like, uh

519
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: like hosting gigs and club appearances. Y'all wouldn't but y'all

520
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: didn't have that. Y'all just did y'all show. Yeah, y'all

521
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: don't get paid to go to the to the club

522
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: after what we did after shows? Yeah, oh yeah, it

523
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: was always after shows. That that's what the promoters thing.

524
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: It's always the after party. Yeah that he paid you

525
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: guys to come to. No, he didn't pay us to

526
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: come to it, didin't. We didn't get paid to go

527
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: to the after show back then that's what you get paid. No, yeah, no,

528
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: you get paid right If this is gonna be an

529
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: after show, you're gonna get paid. But yeah, back then

530
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: it was all about hanging out, hanging out with the promotives,

531
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: trying to get in good so they keep booking you,

532
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, And we had we had the big tours

533
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: back then because it was LTD Commodoors, you know, that

534
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: was that was one of the major tours. We did

535
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: like maybe three tours with the ticket doors. That was huge.

536
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: LTD Commodoors. And then you know, we did O J's

537
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: and back then it was con function and pilot. Yeah,

538
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: how many cities would you guys do in one tour? Man,

539
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: they killed us back then, I swear we were doing

540
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: we did in seventy nine, we did the Jackson tour.

541
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: We opened up for the Jacksons. That's when Michael had

542
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: Off the Wall and he would come out and do

543
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: the Jackson show and then they would leave and he

544
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: would come out and do the whole Off the Wall out.

545
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: It was crazy. It was crazy. This was crazy, I mean,

546
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: and we were doing fourteen, fourteen nights in a row

547
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: until Michael said, I can't do this no more. He's like,

548
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: uh so we started canceling dates. Yeah, two weeks straight,

549
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: we performing a night that was a big show everybody.

550
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we was doing the big places.

551
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: That's when I knew that I might have had a

552
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: few hits. But this is a real superstar. Hear this, dude,

553
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: this is different. I've seen things and I was like,

554
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean because we were at a bus store, so

555
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: we traveled together. We had a bus LTD. And Jackson.

556
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: They had a bus and dude has to come out

557
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: and disguise us every day. He couldn't even walk out.

558
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: He had to be completely disguised every day. And they

559
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: would put up to the stage, get out, do the show,

560
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: finish the show, get back in the limo right there,

561
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: big color seum and drive out and people would jump

562
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: on top of the car as they were driving up

563
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: the ramp to get to this dude. I'm telling you, man,

564
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. They threw a kid

565
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: through the window at Holiday in in Baltimore to get

566
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: to him. What you mean to get to him? Well,

567
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: he we finished the show, came over. They knew we

568
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: were at the Hotel Baltimore. This food comes out of

569
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: his rumors like two story holiday and walks around and

570
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: they see him. They pick up a kid, throw him

571
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: through the window and all rushed through to get the

572
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson use a boy as a molotop. This is

573
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: a stop. There's a whole another level. That's a different level. Yeah,

574
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever see again. We won't that

575
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: in life. Not that. Yeah he was not that. That's

576
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: that's amazing, and and so does so. Is that in

577
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: a sense what took y'all? There a record like back

578
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: At Back in Love? Yeah, we did that. Then we

579
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: had we had, you know, love Balid and then we

580
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: had a lot of ballots that were big back then.

581
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: We both deserve each other, concentrate on you all these songs.

582
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: Holding On was big we had. So we started piling

583
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: up some of the hits. Then we were we were

584
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: rolling and LTD was a great live then, I gotta

585
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: tell you they were. And four horn players was doing

586
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: steps out there and horns. We put the pressure on everybody.

587
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: So it was a great live group. Yeah, it was exciting. Lie,

588
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: We're seeing Michael, you know, coming out there do his

589
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: thing by his self. Was that an inspiration to you?

590
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: It was more inspiration is that he used to come

591
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: to my dress room and asked me what I did

592
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: to keep my voice and shape because he would be

593
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: running out of gas. But you know, anybody dancing around

594
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: like that and singing, I'm like, dude, you're going to

595
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. And Jeffrey, what are you saying? What do

596
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: you say? What do you say? Jeffrey? What he saying? Jeffrey?

597
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: I need you because everybody has a DESCRIPTIONI how they feel.

598
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: Michael really talk. Some people was playing mentor it Jeffrey

599
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: man voice, keep going out, ship man, tell me what

600
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: I gotta do? Dogs? What do you do? What do

601
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: you do? Man? It was really there. It was really

602
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,959
Speaker 1: there because but that is also a form of vocal arrest,

603
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: which people don't know that the Jacksons have mastered. They

604
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: speak low, Yeah, speak low, And it's not like they

605
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: don't project heavy. They're not doing what these two right here,

606
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: ye man. Vocal therapy is singing as soft as you can.

607
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: It's not about these opera singers that have vocal therapy.

608
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: They go in and they're singing no and just trying

609
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: to open up this and keep the airstream and contract

610
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: as long as you can just hold a note. It's

611
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: not singing and with any force at all. It's all

612
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: as soft as you can control in the airstream and

613
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: some of the exercises that they do is like, you know,

614
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: to take that glass and fill it up half of

615
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: water and take a straw and you're blowing that straw

616
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: and it's like, and you control the bubbles. If the

617
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: bubbles come over the top of the glass, you ain't

618
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: doing the ship right. So you gotta keep the bubbles

619
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: inside the glass. And it's all about controlling the airstream.

620
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: And it's as soft as you can It's not because

621
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: you know, I had I had COVID about four months

622
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: ago and I'm like, damn, you know, and that it

623
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: messed me up. My respiratory was so I talked to

624
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: my throat out. He said, just go to this vocal therapist.

625
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, so I went. And the whole thing she

626
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: had me doing was as soft as you can sing.

627
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: It's all real easy. I need that number, Huh, I

628
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: need to go to a vocal therapist. I mean, it

629
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: was incredible just and those are basically just simple things

630
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: she was doing. You know, they called this backward kazoo

631
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: thing when they have you shape your mouth so that

632
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: your cheeks are in and you're no, you're not supposed

633
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: to puff them and it's just controlling the airstream real

634
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: soft and you go up to scale. No, it's like

635
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, a few hours later, another two any minutes,

636
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: get that glasses that straw boom, and it's amazing. It

637
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: opens it really does open you up. But it's totally

638
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: it's totally the opposite that I thought. I thought she

639
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: was gonna have me trying to bang at the top

640
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: of my range. And she's like, oh no, no, it

641
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: ain't about that. So do you do these daily? Now?

642
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: I do? Now? I do it now? Yeah, because I

643
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: still I still haven't recovered from COVID. I mean, I

644
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: have my natural voice is fine, but it took away

645
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: my false setter, and so I had still and I'm

646
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 1: still struggling to get into my false setter. But these

647
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: are the exercises that they gave me, which vocal therapy

648
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: I was. I was blown away. I'm thinking, vocal therapy

649
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: is gonna be some strenuous stuff here, total opposite. What

650
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: was the advice you gave Michael? Michael, uh, steaming mhm.

651
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: He was asking me, and I said, well, you should

652
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: steam a little bit, because steaming is like, to me,

653
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: the most important things local hygiene and steaming is one.

654
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: It lubricates the chord. It takes any kind of swelling

655
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: down off the court. So is that with with like

656
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: an you can get something like that or just portable well,

657
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, Luke eucalyptus. You know, you're the old guy.

658
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: You know eucalypt This is it's kind of a myth

659
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: because it's a it's a mental mentholated kind of thing.

660
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: And what it does is it opens you up right

661
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: away and then it tightens your chord. So anything like

662
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: eucalyptus or meant anything that is not good to really steam. Yeah,

663
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: so just straight water straight and I carry a portable steamer.

664
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: There's several different kinds you can get, but it's a

665
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: it's the steam. I steam after it shown sometimes before

666
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: a show, because you know, the moisture helps on the

667
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: court and it does take the swelling down. So I

668
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: do a lot of little crazy things like that. I

669
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: steam goggle with the nastiest ship in the world, golden

670
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: seal root powder. It's like goggling with dirt because it's

671
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: a root powder. But it's incredible what it does for you.

672
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: Golden golden seal root powder. So I'll steam, and then

673
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: I'll goggle and then I shut up and go to sleep.

674
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: You're giving up, And I'll tell you a really good

675
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: sea salt is good. If you get a sea salt

676
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: that has all the trace minerals in it and goggle

677
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: with that warm water, that really helps too. That sus

678
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: really does golden golden seal. But you need to get

679
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: the roots. Get some golden root powder. Root powder. It

680
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: comes in the capsule. You used to come in bolt,

681
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: but now it's always in the capsule and you just

682
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: open the capsule up, pour it in, put some warm

683
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: water in and it's nasty though. I mean it tastes

684
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: like dirt in It doesn't bother me. Some people don't

685
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: like the taste of stuff like that. But I've been

686
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: vegan for money, an it's money in the dirt. Listen.

687
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: It tastes like there was money to dark. Yeah. Ah,

688
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: you vegan out too. Yeah. I just started eating fish

689
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: in the last four months, but I've been vegan for

690
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: the most seven years. I went straight vegan. Did you

691
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: feel do you feel like that helped you at all

692
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: as far as your you know, from from your your

693
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: vocal ability, or I think it's just just so health.

694
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: I just for overall health. Yeah, I felt a lot

695
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: more efficient, you know, I just felt efficient after going

696
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: vegan and then my whole It made it easy because

697
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: my whole family went at the same time, my wife,

698
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: my son, we all did at the same time. But

699
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: it was one of the best things I've done. So

700
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: now I'm basically still vegan, but I'll eat some fish now.

701
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: I went to a train on Toby you need some

702
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: fatty acids because some of them will make a fatty acids.

703
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: I was funny, I'm like, what this bodybuild? Does that

704
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: a vegan? He said, yeah, but you know what they're doing.

705
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: I said what he said? They're taking uh animal protein

706
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: and ain't no way that that that they're using weight protein.

707
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: They're not using vegan protein. I was like, really, he said,

708
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: you ain't building all that muscle? Would no, No, you

709
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: need Yeah that So LTD y'all own tour y'are doing

710
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: your thing with the Jackson's y'all one of the biggest

711
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: groups in the world. What happens? What happened? What that

712
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: makes you just like, you know? What? Enough? Did you?

713
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: Did you ever want to go? So that that was

714
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: the last tour that I did and I wasn't supposed

715
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: to do that tour. I had actually let them know

716
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: two years in front of that that I was ready

717
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: to leave the group. Two years two years I did.

718
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: I did an album and another tour after I had

719
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: told him I wanted to leave. So you didn't pull

720
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: a flash in the five heart beats, I didn't. Yeah,

721
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: it's lonely at the top. It come out next week. No,

722
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: no you didn't. I kind of let them know that,

723
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, I was ready to leave. It's it's like

724
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: I said, it wasn't set up right. So I was

725
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: get in office from record company to do a solo record,

726
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: and they squashed that because I had a group member.

727
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: I had a songwriter's agreement that I signed with the group,

728
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: like stupid ship you do when you're young, and uh

729
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: so they wouldn't let me out of the songwriters agreement

730
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: and they stopped me from doing a solo record, so

731
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: you know, and then they didn't want me to write

732
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: for other people because I was stotting the right for people.

733
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: People were like asking me the right and they were like, no,

734
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: you can't do that. You go to songwriters agreement with us.

735
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is too confining I gotta go.

736
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: That would have made them money, right, that would have

737
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: made everybody more money. Since you were signed to this agreement,

738
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: if you wrote for other people to agree where they

739
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: make money from it, or was it just an agreement

740
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: just you have to write for the group. It was

741
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: agreement with the group within the group. You know, I

742
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: had to write. All the stuff I wrote was before

743
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: the group and so tied to it. So you know,

744
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: at that point, I'm like, well, you on what. I

745
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: can't deal with this anymore. So I'm it's time for

746
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: me to get out of here. So I left, But

747
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: it took it took almost two years before I actually left,

748
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: after I gave them the notice that I was going

749
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: to leave. So that holds seventy nine tour and nineteen

750
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: seventy nine that was That was the last tour I did.

751
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: Like I like people, so and that makes a big good.

752
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I get asked I stopped doing these cruisers

753
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: because that reason, because you were the key. They were like, cruisers,

754
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: we want you to do the cruise, we want you

755
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: to stay on because you're so nice to the people.

756
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but when I come out that cabin,

757
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: they are over come on, let's take this picture. How

758
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: to turn this camera around? Say? How you turning this camera?

759
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: Be taking up too much of the time. We're taking

760
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: too much just trying to get this kid like I

761
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: took a fitture with you yesterday. Yeah, but that was yesterday.

762
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: I got on my Michael course person. They need to

763
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: see this. It's something that that we didn't skip it off.

764
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: We just hadn't got to it yet. Very very very

765
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be this is I don't even know if

766
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: we got enough alcohol liquor champagne. The poor when I

767
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: bring up this, bring it up, bring it up. We

768
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: are the world, We are the world, We are the children.

769
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: This was the one of the first songs that I

770
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: ever sang, really ever. Wow, you really make me feel

771
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: old now. Like my parents, my dad especially would make

772
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: me get in the living room and make me and

773
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: my brothers we all saying we and my sister and

774
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: we would have to sing we are the World mhm

775
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: and we were so we love that record so much.

776
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: And you were a part of this record. This this

777
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: record had every major artist known to man at this

778
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: time on this record. And you have to tell us

779
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: the backstory to We Are the world and if there

780
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: were some people who didn't get on this record that

781
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: was salty and then and then explain the one piece

782
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: of video where Michael Jackson is looking at uh oh yeah,

783
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: Bruce Springstey. I think it was Bruce springste It was

784
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: too much, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't like it.

785
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't think you should do that.

786
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: It was incredible, man, it was you know, they set

787
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: it up perfectly because it was it was after the

788
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: American of Music American Music Awards show, so that finished

789
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: at like, I don't know, six or seven o'clock that night,

790
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: and I got the call the day before from Quincy

791
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: and he said, and are you up to able to

792
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: do this song? Or we heard the world? We got

793
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: all he told me all these artists, and I'm like,

794
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? And the only reason I got

795
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: the call is because Prince canceled on it. So Prince

796
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: fell out at the last minute, and Quincy said, now

797
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: I got a spot, man, I got a spot. Can

798
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: you come. I'm like, yeah, I can come. I'll be there.

799
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: And it was just amazing to see that many people

800
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: in A and M studios that night, and it was magical.

801
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: It was absolutely magical, you know. And you had Stevie

802
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: in one corner at the piano and he's going over

803
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: everybody's parts, you know, he's playing and they was trying

804
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: to sing their little solo part, and you know, and

805
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: he had algarrole over here and Alice in tears because

806
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, Alice one of them real spiritual, emotional people,

807
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh my god. And you guys

808
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: had so many facets going on all over the place.

809
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: I think the most incredible moment was when we all

810
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: stopped and everybody took the sheet music and had everybody

811
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: signed it. And to see that many artists walk around

812
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: getting signatures from the other And I have mine and

813
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: I have mine frames so this is like the jersey swap. Yeah,

814
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: it was crazy with all Michael Jordan's that's crazy. It

815
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: was crazy. So I still have mine framed, you know. Uh.

816
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: But it was pretty amazing. So, you know, and I

817
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to sing. I was like, damn,

818
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: I want to sing. Give me two words. Question what

819
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: we're doing? We're do you know what I do? So

820
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: Quincy says, hey, man, I know you didn't get a

821
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: chance to sing, won't you just wait and at the

822
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: end we'll set up a couple of mics and we'll

823
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: haven't want to have a few people just add living

824
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: and you can throw ad lib in here. I'm like great. Yeah,

825
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: So we waited at the end. It was probably six

826
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. We was in there all night,

827
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: six o'clock in the morning, and it was me, it

828
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: was James, and it was Diana Ross and we sat

829
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: there and we sang ad libs and then I get

830
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: the call Quincy and we can't use to add I'm like, why,

831
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: he said, Diana sang through everybody else's adement. She wouldn't stopped,

832
00:50:46,160 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: she sang. She just kept singing his work. But yeah, yeah,

833
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: it was pretty you know, I just got a call

834
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: last week. They're trying to do a special one. We

835
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: are the World. It's like the year Anniversity or something.

836
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: They wanted me to come up to the A and

837
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: M and do a interview. What the night was like,

838
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was crazy, it was pretty special. Nut, Yeah,

839
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: that was that was an amazing That was an amazing record.

840
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: Do you know how many units that sold? I mean,

841
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: I know it was all the charity, but I'm sure

842
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: it's like knowing it has to be the biggest single ever. No,

843
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: it had to be one of them. I'm trying to

844
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: figure out if they ever tracked all the money down huh,

845
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: you know, because it was I got tricky with the money.

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Speaker 1: Who I think he got tricky. I don't know what happened,

847
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Speaker 1: but held to go to Yeah, you can play with

848
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: any money. They would play with any They played with

849
00:51:53,680 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: the Church's money money. Wow, did you even get a

850
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Speaker 1: plaque anything? Is there? A We're the real plaque? I

851
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: never got a plaque or anything. Come back, it's got

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Speaker 1: to be a plaque. Somebody hit up to r I A.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be certified at Fox hunting million copies

854
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Speaker 1: or something. Man, just just fill up the room with it. Yeah,

855
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: it had to be a ridiculous amount. It was like

856
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Speaker 1: the biggest thing ever. And everybody had it in their show. Everybody.

857
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: I was doing it in my show. I had three

858
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: or four vocalist singing pots and stuff. I want to

859
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: see Harry Belafonte, he's doing it in his show. It's

860
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: funny people that were in it to be like wow,

861
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: and everybody was doing it in their show's live When

862
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: that came out, it was big. It was right, It

863
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: was the biggest songs ever. He dropped a lot of

864
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Speaker 1: names in that. You know, he didn't even dropped all

865
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: the names either. There's so many people that were part

866
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: of that. Oh yeah, it was crazy. Did you Okay?

867
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Speaker 1: So as a vocalist, though, did you ever have a

868
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: moment like those vocus are tricky why they're letting him

869
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: sing because we all singers and we didn't been in

870
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Speaker 1: rooms and we're like, yeah, yeah, you know I can

871
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: do that part. Did you ever, I know, you had

872
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: a moment where you're just like, well, you know, you

873
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: always think why didn't not get that shot? But the

874
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: beautiful thing was everybody sang what they wanted to sing.

875
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: They brought their own individuality. Yeah you know what I mean.

876
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: They didn't try to be somebody else, you know, like

877
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: even Bob Dylan, I mean he was just doing it

878
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: wasn't many melodic notes, but he got it out. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

879
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: you got yeah. Like but we remembering that that was

880
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: great man, And I just had to bring that up

881
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: because that was a pivotal part of my childhood, that

882
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: record and just you know, seeing that togetherness and it's

883
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: probably something I still tap into and why I feel

884
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: like things should be more collaborative because that was my

885
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: first time seeing major artists together. Yeah yeah, it was powerful,

886
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: extremely powerful. So we're gonna go from Weird the World

887
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Speaker 1: Who to this great section it's called I ain't saying

888
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: on that yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, because there was enough

889
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: names on Weird the World. But yeah, so, uh, the

890
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: rules of this segment of the show is you tell

891
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: us a story funnier, fucked up, are funny and fucked up,

892
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: But the only rule is you can't say the name.

893
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: So this is Jeffrey Osborne's Woo Woo Woo version. Oh

894
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: my god, if I saying on names, Wow, that's a

895
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: lot of that moment you had, R and B music. Brother,

896
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Speaker 1: he didn't been to a lot of places and a

897
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: lot of Yeah, I've been to a lot of places.

898
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: I've seen stampedes. I mean that was crazy. One night

899
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. It was just you know, at the

900
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Speaker 1: Dome and it's us and the old Jay's story, that

901
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: the whole another story. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you know,

902
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: and then I don't know what happened. Something happened in

903
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: the crowd and people went crazy and they came in

904
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: mounted police on horses running through the crowd, trampling people,

905
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: trampling people. Yeah, that's crazy, but I had to say

906
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: I was on two with this one route. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

907
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: yeah group. Everybody know this group because they was they

908
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: was they still? Yeah, it was popping back then. And

909
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: uh so we go to the sound check, so, you know,

910
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: we're upset. We're waiting around to do our sound check

911
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: and they take it all day. They were like, so

912
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: we're like in the back, come on, god damn, you know,

913
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: we gotta get out sound checking. What the hell is

914
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: going on? And they just messing around and somebody yelled

915
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: out to a long The next thing you know was

916
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: gunshots everywhere and were ducking down and some Pilson's behind

917
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: the drums and uh we actually finally made it out

918
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,959
Speaker 1: of there, and it was I can't say no names,

919
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: I can't tell you who it was. Somebody shot at

920
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: y'all shot the sound checked out. They were actually shooting

921
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: at each other and we were in the room they

922
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: were fighting. Yeah, they were sound checking and we were

923
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: trying to boom along. They start yelling and then talking

924
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: back and forth. Next thing you know, they start shooting

925
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: at each other. Oh, see. This is why we don't

926
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: have groups anymore. This is why we don't have groups.

927
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: Tell you hip hop and got nothing on us. Listen,

928
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: we shooting at the sound check. They shot up the

929
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: sound they shot they show did wow. Yeah that into

930
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: the arm, into the arm beef to a whole another level. Yeah,

931
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: my god, that was when that was in the seventies,

932
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: probably seventy eight. Here's a better question. Just did y'all

933
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: still to do the show? Yeah, we did, and they did.

934
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: They Come on, come on, come on, show must go on,

935
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: Show must go home. You gotta get to the R

936
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: and B money. Listen, Pull that bullet out, wrap him

937
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: up right, stitch him up, some badges on it. We

938
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: got work to see these damn songs. We got R

939
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: and B work to do to night. Listen, man um brother,

940
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Osborn Man, you are you are you, You are Him,

941
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: and you are you have stood beyond stood the test

942
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: of time. You're still thriving in this wonderful place that

943
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: we call R and B music, that we love and

944
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: be whole so dearly, and you are are elder, You

945
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: are you are him, and we we have love and

946
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: flowers and respect for you, and we look forward to

947
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: you having to continue to cancel shows because you are

948
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Speaker 1: overbooked right now, right now at seventy four, about to

949
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Speaker 1: be seventut to your daughter Tiffany, come on till all right,

950
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: your son in law Frank, come on, and my god,

951
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: little Jeff. Yeah, this is why it's happy right here.

952
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: This is why this has happened right here. We appreciate

953
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: You're right about that. We appreciate them. You know. I

954
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: love what Tiffany and Frank are doing over there district.

955
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: And and my son he works. He my house engineer. Yes,

956
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: my life sounds. He's incredible and doing all that video

957
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: work over there, and the video work he does a lot. Yeah,

958
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: he's good. You know that's where my juice bid is.

959
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, juicing there. Yeah, come out, come out, black

960
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: business baby community. Uh, we love you, man is man.

961
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: They love for having me. So I'm taking I'm Jay

962
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: Valentine And this has been the R Money podcast, the

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00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: authority on all things are and beat with a with

964
00:59:54,040 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: an authoritium authority. What's the word, old guy still in

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Speaker 1: the g R All right, I'll embrave money. R and

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