Speaker 1: Happy Holidays.
Speaker 2: Hi guys, it's Stevin Simone. Did you like my Santa Foys?
Speaker 1: Yes? And this is Daveon Rogers. I am not an
Speaker 1: elf or reindeer.
Speaker 3: Oh I FTV Official Challenge Podcast tens the season France.
Speaker 1: Tends the season tests.
Speaker 4: This season to be messy.
Speaker 2: L L LA girl. This episode this is how you
Speaker 2: know you're in the middle of the season. It gets wild.
Speaker 2: So much happened. So first we have the challenge called Skyball.
Speaker 2: The winners that came out on top was the Orange Team.
Speaker 2: They did their thing. Jay looked like a great leader
Speaker 2: up there. So then the Orange team votes in Kyland,
Speaker 2: even though some of Kylan's alliance was in fact on
Speaker 2: the Orange things. So Kylin thought he was gonna be safe. Nope,
Speaker 2: not at all. And then the House votes in James
Speaker 2: despite Mariah's politicking. James like, I'm not going to politic
Speaker 2: if you vote me in fu Well, that's basically what
Speaker 2: they did. Then we get to the draw and who
Speaker 2: is our mercenary none other than four Time in a
Speaker 2: Row Challenge champ Darrell Taylor. And according to Davon, this
Speaker 2: is the best he's ever looked with that beard and
Speaker 2: I gotta say I agree. Shout out to Darrell Darrel
Speaker 2: instead of drawing like the blank or chaos card, unfortunately
Speaker 2: he draws Kylin. So the elimination is Durell versus Kylon.
Speaker 2: Now the elimination they have to do is Firewalker, which
Speaker 2: is it seems like a pretty good equalizer because they
Speaker 2: have to take They're sitting on this platform and then
Speaker 2: they have to light each of these torches that surrounds
Speaker 2: the platform, and they're doing a little bit of like
Speaker 2: hula dance, a little bit of pole dance. It's got agility,
Speaker 2: stamming up, brain power, all of that. It looks like
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a neck and neck race. But ultimately
Speaker 2: Kylon comes out on top, securing that ten thousand dollars
Speaker 2: for the future Challenge champ and sending this four time
Speaker 2: Challenge champ home with no money.
Speaker 3: Girl, What an episode? What an episode? To be clear,
Speaker 3: I don't like Darrell's beard. Cut it off, you don't.
Speaker 2: I think it balances out the ball head so well
Speaker 2: and hit it shaped up. He looked at it all.
Speaker 3: His wife love it if it ain't none of my business.
Speaker 3: But if she don't like it, cut it off, Cut
Speaker 3: it off.
Speaker 2: Hey, looks good. I thought he looked great, but you
Speaker 2: said he's one of the.
Speaker 3: Most men to ever play this game. Absolutely, I stand
Speaker 3: firm on there. Absolutely, there you go. With all respects
Speaker 3: to his wife. I was gorgeous too, of course.
Speaker 2: I definitely send on that. Yes, absolutely, we love Darell.
Speaker 2: What were your thoughts, what were your initial feelings in
Speaker 2: this episode?
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: Okay, so in this episode, first of all, the skyball
Speaker 3: could never be me. I don't like things that spinning circles.
Speaker 3: I don't like things that spining soul. So when that
Speaker 3: ball first detached and they start spinning in that circle,
Speaker 3: I was like, let me off, let me off.
Speaker 1: And I'm just watching an episode. I said, let me off.
Speaker 3: I would have been at the bottom within the ree
Speaker 3: collecting the damn balls because I just couldn't face.
Speaker 1: I'd have been on the other side kicking them off.
Speaker 3: Yon been like, they've only doing right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that kind of threw me for a loot.
Speaker 3: Watching Jay in this challenge was absolutely amazing, Like he
Speaker 3: took control, as he always does.
Speaker 1: He took control. He climbs up there and he just
Speaker 1: start throwing them.
Speaker 3: In and I'm like, this is classic ja like he's
Speaker 3: showing out this season.
Speaker 1: He was very proud of the way he's showing out
Speaker 1: this season.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, agreed. So then who ultimately gets your time
Speaker 2: out for this week? And then who gets your.
Speaker 1: Out this week goes to Kylin.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to say this, and all of my
Speaker 3: Big Brother watchers are going to understand why I say this.
Speaker 1: Kylin is a thief. Okay.
Speaker 3: This funeral was stolen from one of the greatest Big
Speaker 3: Brother players ever, and it is called Dan's funeral.
Speaker 1: This guy named Dan was up for a.
Speaker 3: Nomination to be sent home, and so he came up
Speaker 3: with this whole strategy to create this funeral in order
Speaker 3: to try to save himself and to get the people
Speaker 3: back on his side. Right.
Speaker 1: Of course, Dan did it flawlessly.
Speaker 3: Kylin pulls it off flawlessly too, because people started, you know,
Speaker 3: smiling and stuff. He was still wanting regardless, but people
Speaker 3: started smiling and stuff. It was a great way to
Speaker 3: get the people back on his side. But I know
Speaker 3: a thief when I see a thief, Kyla, I know
Speaker 3: a thief when I see a thief. But yes, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go ahead and put you in time out for
Speaker 3: not being original okay, and.
Speaker 2: Less we not forget the Great Challenge Funeral on twenty
Speaker 2: fourteen aka Ta may or the Whigs Funeral because see
Speaker 2: the funeral was done first on the Challenge if we're
Speaker 2: gonna if We're gonna go there. But good point because
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. As a big Brotherwaxtion, I thought
Speaker 2: it was funny, although I thought he did Melissa dirty
Speaker 2: by being like later rest of my relationship, like dang girl,
Speaker 2: he's she's still on the plate, like they should go.
Speaker 1: I don't know how.
Speaker 2: Right that is. Wild. I think my time out for
Speaker 2: this week has to go to you know, I don't actually,
Speaker 2: no one really made me that, mad, I guess. If anything,
Speaker 2: I'm frustrated. I'm watching this episode and I'm frustrated by
Speaker 2: Mariah just because I feel like she's riding harder for
Speaker 2: someone than what we see as writing for her. And
Speaker 2: I feel like she's putting it all out there and
Speaker 2: putting herself at risk, and that's the thing that sort
Speaker 2: of makes me nervous, Similarly how we saw Raven earlier
Speaker 2: in the season. I just feel like she's putting herself
Speaker 2: out there, you know what I mean, And I'm like, girl,
Speaker 2: what are you getting back like I want you to
Speaker 2: be equal, you know, if you're gonna ride like Jay
Speaker 2: Michelle for example, Like, yeah, Michelle writes hard for Jay,
Speaker 2: but what we see so far, although the mid season
Speaker 2: teaser says that that may break up that Michelle writes
Speaker 2: hard for j but Jay writes hard for Michelle, And
Speaker 2: so I just want to see that back for Mariah
Speaker 2: and I don't. I'm not seeing it right now. So
Speaker 2: it's kind of a tie between timeouts of James in general.
Speaker 2: Actually know what James gets it because James also says
Speaker 2: to Drell, you're lucky when I don't know if you
Speaker 2: caught that. In the elimination when it's Kylin, James turns
Speaker 2: Sorel's like, you're lucky as he had boy, if you
Speaker 2: don't take your ice skating tights back up on the
Speaker 2: platform as Darrell referred to them, and sit down somewhere.
Speaker 2: So yeah, now my timeout's definitely gonna go to.
Speaker 3: James, who's your gold star, but go far of the week,
Speaker 3: it's also going to Kyland because baby, you'll beat Drell. Okay,
Speaker 3: that has nothing to do that, And I too, like Zarel,
Speaker 3: who is one of.
Speaker 1: The ghats of the goats of the Goats of the Ghosts.
Speaker 3: And so to walk away not only also saving ten
Speaker 3: thousand dollars like take your cast members, Joe welcome.
Speaker 1: Saving them ten thousand dollars, but then also.
Speaker 3: Saying that you beat Dereil that and having that under
Speaker 3: your bill you had beat Zreil.
Speaker 1: So he definitely gets my goal star this week.
Speaker 2: Absolutely props to Kylin for that. I'd have to say
Speaker 2: my gold star for this week. Also shout out to
Speaker 2: the periwinkle shirt that TJ wore during the daily challenge.
Speaker 2: You looked good. I also liked the black button down,
Speaker 2: would have paired it with a different pant in the elimination.
Speaker 2: Now my gold star has to go to the Orange team.
Speaker 2: The way that they work so well and flawlessly together
Speaker 2: and the way that Jay really took charge but not
Speaker 2: just from like an ego place, but but was like
Speaker 2: effective and efficient with it and they got it done.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a beautiful, flawless execution of what
Speaker 2: we want to see in a team. So they are
Speaker 2: going to get my gold star for the week. An
Speaker 2: honorable mention for gold Star, you guys is this upcoming interview? Oh,
Speaker 2: we have Mariah Jade on the podcast, which props to
Speaker 2: her for coming. She doesn't pull, you know, she doesn't
Speaker 2: run and hide. There's a lot we see of her
Speaker 2: her this kind of love affair, this love triangle thing
Speaker 2: going on, as well as her politicking all that stuff.
Speaker 2: So she's here with us on the podcast. You are
Speaker 2: not gonna want to miss and get a pen and
Speaker 2: paper so you can take notes, Grab a snack, get
Speaker 2: comfy cozy, turn up the volume, and stay tuned for
Speaker 2: an interview with the MIRIAJ Jay right after this.
Speaker 1: I am so excited about this interview. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: This person has been the talk of our podcast, the
Speaker 3: talk of the season, and the talk of the vents. Apparently,
Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, I would like to give it up
Speaker 3: for miss Mariah.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming to hang out with us.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm ready. I'm ready to spill the tears. I'm
Speaker 4: sticking the best.
Speaker 3: Somebody's sick of somebody because they are going down.
Speaker 4: I know, I know, I'm getting freaking ripped to shreds
Speaker 4: from every angle. I'm like, dude, what the whatever? Thank God,
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 1: Well, why don't you care? Because it looks like you care,
Speaker 1: like we could.
Speaker 4: See during Oh, during filming, of course, I cared, are
Speaker 4: you kidding me? Like, well, do I get into that
Speaker 4: right now? Should I get into it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Get into whatever, get into whatever.
Speaker 4: So during filming, Oh my god, I was beating myself
Speaker 4: up about it. I was crying, like all the time.
Speaker 4: I was calling my mom crying. I would, I would
Speaker 4: stay up at night, Michelle would talk to me. I
Speaker 4: felt so guilty. I felt so bad.
Speaker 2: What did you feel guilty about specifically, or like, what
Speaker 2: were you upset about?
Speaker 4: Okay, So this there's a huge controversial thing. I see
Speaker 4: lots of different comments and people, you know, staying their opinions.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've seen, Devin, I've seen your opinion. I
Speaker 4: saw a little clip that you said I could have
Speaker 4: called I should have called him or told them. But
Speaker 4: from my point of view, it's like, if I know,
Speaker 4: first of all, I knew that if I called him,
Speaker 4: production would eat it up and that they would post
Speaker 4: that and they would have that on the show. And
Speaker 4: I respected Johnny enough to at least not have that
Speaker 4: intimate private moment of me upsetting him being on TV.
Speaker 4: So I just really, I guess I was naive to
Speaker 4: think that he wouldn't find out and I could tell
Speaker 4: him myself, but obviously other people told him.
Speaker 2: Did you ever think that other people would tell like
Speaker 2: given because we also heard from guests that have been
Speaker 2: on the podcast that it wasn't even just you connecting
Speaker 2: feeling like you had a connection with James and like
Speaker 2: vibing on that, but that there were even like there
Speaker 2: was like a song in the house or something making
Speaker 2: fun of bananas. So where did that?
Speaker 4: I was not a part of that. They tried all,
Speaker 4: you know, anyone who's saying every single person on that
Speaker 4: cast sang that song. Every single person besides I think Michelle,
Speaker 4: everyone else gave in once and they sang that song.
Speaker 4: I never sang that song.
Speaker 2: Who started it?
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure James or Jay one of them. One
Speaker 4: of them did start it. And you know, it got
Speaker 4: to a point like when they would say it, I
Speaker 4: would get really pissed off because you know, it's already
Speaker 4: one thing that I'm hurting someone's feelings, and then on
Speaker 4: top of that, everyone else is making a joke out
Speaker 4: of it when I'm genuinely feeling upset about it. But
Speaker 4: you know, in that house, I felt, you know, although
Speaker 4: we were not boyfriend and girlfriend, okay, but for my
Speaker 4: own morals, and like how I am even if I
Speaker 4: am talking to someone, we were talking to each other
Speaker 4: on a very deep level. So that was wrong with me.
Speaker 4: I messed up. That was wrong with me, Like, there's
Speaker 4: no excuse for how I was. It was wrong for
Speaker 4: my own personal morals. But what were we doing? You know?
Speaker 4: And you know now, you know, months ahead passed by
Speaker 4: and I see, I see the show he's on now,
Speaker 4: and how he lied to me about that show because
Speaker 4: when he went on that show, we were talking and
Speaker 4: we got in a disagreement the night before he went
Speaker 4: to film that show, and he just didn't talk to me.
Speaker 4: He just literally left for that show, did not talk
Speaker 4: to me the whole damn filming. And then I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, screw you, right, And then he sent me
Speaker 4: flowers during filming, sent me flowers, and that confused me.
Speaker 4: And then we talked after and he told me, you know,
Speaker 4: I won't get into all the details, but he told
Speaker 4: me there was a girl there on there and that
Speaker 4: he just did it first storyline because she had no
Speaker 4: type of storyline without him, and a whole bunch of
Speaker 4: really mean things he said, and.
Speaker 2: Parts of those are true, though I've watched the show continue.
Speaker 4: But the fact is, like, if you're woman, a woman
Speaker 4: like this is before I did anything. If you see
Speaker 4: the guy that you're with on a show like sucking
Speaker 4: girls toes, kissing them with pasta, flirting, you wouldn't like that.
Speaker 4: And that's a that's a that's a real thing, that's
Speaker 4: not a reality TV thing, and it's a thing of respect.
Speaker 2: So is that before or after you posted the I'm
Speaker 2: because I think Day was the one who saw it
Speaker 2: initially that you posted a picture saying I'm yeah, go ahead, Day, and.
Speaker 3: I think you were wearing a buy the So I'm
Speaker 3: not sure, but you posted and you was that you
Speaker 3: were single?
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, that's during that time. I mean I've
Speaker 4: always I've always been single. But at that time I
Speaker 4: was done talking to Johnny because he didn't know that though,
Speaker 4: because he was filming, he didn't have his phone, he
Speaker 4: didn't have his phone nothing. I was done because how
Speaker 4: could you leave for how could you leave for a
Speaker 4: show and not talk to me?
Speaker 2: So could it be true that then? Because I hear
Speaker 2: you on that, so then could it be true though?
Speaker 2: That then? Because he did find out about that post
Speaker 2: in the house. So could it be true then that
Speaker 2: his whatever nonsense on how civillains came after or after
Speaker 2: seeing that post and you sort of announcing.
Speaker 4: I filmed that later on in filming. And from the
Speaker 4: initial start. I remember, I didn't watch a show, but
Speaker 4: I see tweets because my timeline is like that, and
Speaker 4: it's it was a tweet of him saying right off
Speaker 4: the bat that he's like, oh, I fell in love twice,
Speaker 4: So right from the get go he was ready to
Speaker 4: pursue that type of thing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like he so was it in retaliation from your post?
Speaker 4: I didn't post that at that time.
Speaker 2: So you're saying you made the post post while he
Speaker 2: was away filming.
Speaker 4: Yes, but I didn't post that right when he went there,
Speaker 4: and right when he started filming. That was during filming.
Speaker 4: That wasn't the beginning of filming, so he already had
Speaker 4: this initial thought. And then on top of it, if
Speaker 4: you know that and you feel that, why would you
Speaker 4: send me flowers? And then when I come back, why
Speaker 4: would you lie to me and tell me nothing happened
Speaker 4: and that I wouldn't huh.
Speaker 3: I think we want to know what made you post
Speaker 3: on single. What made you post that?
Speaker 4: Because how dare him? Like, go on this show, we argue,
Speaker 4: and then you go on the show and you just
Speaker 4: don't talk to me, like you say nothing to me.
Speaker 4: You just go. Imagine Imagine you or your boyfriend leaves
Speaker 4: for a show and he says nothing to He just leaves.
Speaker 2: Wait, so you guys were boyfriend and girlfriend.
Speaker 4: You weren't giving you guys a scenario. We were not
Speaker 4: boyfriend and girlfriend. And you know what, he will say
Speaker 4: the same thing now because before he was telling people
Speaker 4: that I was his literal girlfriend, and then he changed
Speaker 4: it to we're just casual. I'm giving you guys a scenario.
Speaker 4: I was never He never said, Mariah, will you be
Speaker 4: my girlfriend? Ever? Right? And he knows that. He even
Speaker 4: got upset at me one time because someone asked if
Speaker 4: we were dating, and I said dating meants boyfriend and girlfriend.
Speaker 3: So no, I just wanted to get clarity that before
Speaker 3: Johnny went on the show, he cut you off.
Speaker 4: He didn't got you. Yeah, he got upset. He got upset,
Speaker 4: and he just didn't talk to me. He just didn't
Speaker 4: talk to me. And then he confused me because then
Speaker 4: he sent me flowers, right, and.
Speaker 3: Then hours before or after your post after Oh see, okay,
Speaker 3: that makes sense, Okay, And.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he sent me those flowers and then he
Speaker 4: told me he was thinking about me the whole time
Speaker 4: in there and nothing happened, and when it goes back,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be upset about anything. And he
Speaker 4: did absolutely nothing. Didn't kiss anyone, didn't do anything, didn't
Speaker 4: flirt like he just he just made it sound like
Speaker 4: you know, so I listen, what I did was not
Speaker 4: right for my own self, Okay, But what I'm saying
Speaker 4: is like I don't understand how I'm getting so much
Speaker 4: like attacking when his thing filmed before me, and at
Speaker 4: least I cried and felt bad about it, Like at
Speaker 4: least I felt really bad about it, although they don't
Speaker 4: show it. If you ask anyone on the cast who
Speaker 4: was there, they're like, Maria, you got to get over this, dude.
Speaker 2: Like no, they do show you feeling bad about it,
Speaker 2: like they definitely, which is part of the reason why
Speaker 2: I had the perspective that I had, is that you
Speaker 2: clearly have a con Like you clearly cared, yeah, and
Speaker 2: you weren't like, oh screw it or whatever, right, so
Speaker 2: like they show you know, like cared.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I still care. I listen, I don't
Speaker 4: care about the what people are saying is what I mean.
Speaker 4: But I still do care because I really do, like
Speaker 4: whatever whatever's happening, because you know, now he's his ego
Speaker 4: is hurt. He's hurt, and now he's doing things and
Speaker 4: acting out in a way, you know, talking about me.
Speaker 4: Although you don't do it online, you still do it.
Speaker 4: People tell me, like I hear all the things you say,
Speaker 4: and regardless of any of that, like, I really hope
Speaker 4: that one day, like Johnny could just be my friend,
Speaker 4: you know, Like, did.
Speaker 2: You guys ever talk about it outside? Okay, so wait
Speaker 2: before we get to that piece, and then we'll talk
Speaker 2: more about the game because a lot happens this episode,
Speaker 2: but did so after he gets out of House of Villains,
Speaker 2: you guys start spending time together again, and correct me
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, right, you guys start spending time together again.
Speaker 2: You I think they even show earlier in the season
Speaker 2: you mentioned you guys were hanging out days before you
Speaker 2: flew out for the show. Two questions, did you know
Speaker 2: about mercenaries potentially coming? Like had you guys had you know?
Speaker 2: Like had he dropped out any inca.
Speaker 4: No, he didn't tell me anything. Actually, I facetimed my
Speaker 4: mom and I because I was, you know, I was
Speaker 4: beating myself up. I was like, Mom, I feel really bad,
Speaker 4: and she goes, oh, my gosh, your sister was just
Speaker 4: playing Fortnite. He was playing Fortnite with my sister and
Speaker 4: my cousin. And I told my mom. I was like,
Speaker 4: we'll tell them not to play with them anymore because
Speaker 4: I feel so bad, and you know, I want to
Speaker 4: tell him myself. And at this point, I didn't know
Speaker 4: if he knew, you know, until I got my phone
Speaker 4: back and I got a whole bunch of different messages,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: And so when you guys, so you guys are like
Speaker 2: hang out, you're in the house instead of that, have
Speaker 2: you spoken to him since?
Speaker 4: No, he hates me. He hates me, and you know,
Speaker 4: I do feel bad. I feel bad as as far
Speaker 4: as like I'm I'm not hurt, because I already had.
Speaker 4: I was already questioning because of you know, personal things
Speaker 4: that have happened that I don't have. You know, I
Speaker 4: don't want to share in here, but I already had.
Speaker 4: I already had doubts about things sometimes, you know, but
Speaker 4: then I would like be like, Maria, you're wrong, like
Speaker 4: don't feel like that, and I would push that back
Speaker 4: and I'd be like it's fine.
Speaker 2: Because this was a long off and on thing with
Speaker 2: you guys, right like we saw you guys in Ride
Speaker 2: or Die. This is what over a year of like
Speaker 2: this kind of off and on yes, up and down.
Speaker 4: Yes. And I was very private about that, and so
Speaker 4: is he, but you know it kind of like it
Speaker 4: hurts my feelings coming from him, for you know, I
Speaker 4: saw he tweeted to Wes about saying like, oh, people
Speaker 4: are using my name for Klau and it's like it's
Speaker 4: like Johnny, like every time that me and you were together,
Speaker 4: I would post and you would purposely post to make
Speaker 4: sure people knew I was with you. I never did that.
Speaker 4: He took it. He I posted a picture on my
Speaker 4: bikini and he put my bikini and it took the
Speaker 4: picture like I'm not one thing. I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 4: a cloud chaser. And he knows that I don't need
Speaker 4: cloud from anyone because reality TV is not my world.
Speaker 4: And like all I hear about is like being healthy,
Speaker 4: being fit, like having a good family, like I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't need the TV things I post. I'm not
Speaker 4: even a good influencer. I post stuff. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: I should make videos like these other people, but I'm
Speaker 4: freaking lazy.
Speaker 3: So let's just say that there was a possibility that
Speaker 3: Johnny Wirt to hear this podcast, right, You guys haven't spoken, like,
Speaker 3: no communication whatsoever. Is there anything you would want to
Speaker 3: say to him, even via podcast?
Speaker 4: Just that I'm sorry for hurting his feelings. You know,
Speaker 4: I really am sorry, and I wish I did it
Speaker 4: a different way, and it was, you know, between I was,
Speaker 4: I was I liked James in the House and I
Speaker 4: felt really guilty about that. Just that I'm sorry, but
Speaker 4: also like how could you be so hard on me
Speaker 4: when you did these things to me too? So it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, like you you're purposely making it hard on
Speaker 4: me and you're just focusing on yourself, and like, what
Speaker 4: about me? I think I still thought about his feelings,
Speaker 4: but I just feel like he never really thought about mine.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about James now? But you mentioned
Speaker 2: I really like James in the house. Are you guys
Speaker 2: still together or like, because obviously we don't know what happens.
Speaker 2: You guys are both still in the house, so don't
Speaker 2: get don't you know, But in real life, are you
Speaker 2: guys still a thing? Did you go visit hit? Like,
Speaker 2: what's what's going on with so?
Speaker 4: Me and James we literally talk like almost every day.
Speaker 4: We talk on the phone for like a few hours.
Speaker 4: We catch up. But in reality he lives bro he
Speaker 4: lives in London and so far and like, yes, he'll
Speaker 4: come here and he'll hang out, but it's really hard
Speaker 4: to you can't make anything progress when you live so far.
Speaker 4: It's it's just too long of a flight. But do
Speaker 4: I really care for James and I like think he's
Speaker 4: a great guy. Yeah, and no, me and me and.
Speaker 2: Him are good. Did you guys even try it all
Speaker 2: outside of the house, because obviously it seems like you
Speaker 2: guys have chemistry and we see you in this episode
Speaker 2: ride so hard for him at taking which we're gonna
Speaker 2: get to. So did you at least kind of give
Speaker 2: it a chance or was it in the house sort
Speaker 2: of discussed that Hey, we're not gonna kind of go beyond.
Speaker 4: So kind of in the house we're like, we'll see
Speaker 4: what happens after this, and he's like, well, it's just
Speaker 4: a flight away. But I kind of knew, like you could.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, when when you're in a house,
Speaker 4: you know if things are gonna work or they're not
Speaker 4: gonna work. I knew they were not gonna work. And
Speaker 4: I feel like maybe he knew that too. But we
Speaker 4: if we listen, if we lived in the same state,
Speaker 4: like he would be like my freaking bff, we would
Speaker 4: be hanging out all the time, doing everything. But it just,
Speaker 4: you know, distance really does take a toll on things.
Speaker 4: And I think he's kind of like me. I don't
Speaker 4: really care to like, I don't need to be with
Speaker 4: anyone that bad like I, So it's just too much.
Speaker 4: It's too much effort for me, and I think it's
Speaker 4: too much effort for him too.
Speaker 1: You said, bff, girl, not your man.
Speaker 4: Listen, I really care, you know. I take the he
Speaker 4: was very like slow in the house. They might have
Speaker 4: been a little rapid, but bro, he's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, girl, definitely a little rapid.
Speaker 4: On the show, he's like a big teddy bear, Like
Speaker 4: they don't even show how cute he actually is and
Speaker 4: how funny. No one saw the humor. I was like
Speaker 4: in the beginning, I tried not laughing at his jokes.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't look at him. He'd be like, come over here.
Speaker 4: I would pretend I didn't hear, like I tried.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you when you got on the pod you said,
Speaker 2: or like when we were first kind of like getting started,
Speaker 2: you were like, oh, I have so much juice, which
Speaker 2: I take to mean tea of stuff that didn't air
Speaker 2: in like behind the scenes stuff. What can you share
Speaker 2: with us? Like, yeah, what what are the things that
Speaker 2: we didn't know or didn't get to see?
Speaker 4: Okay, so I put notes down, Okay, so okay, so
Speaker 4: oh I didn't put them in order to look okay,
Speaker 4: So okay. The first thing, the first thing we see
Speaker 4: is Colleen saying that I'm her number one target, right,
Speaker 4: And that's just funny because bro, I never said I'm
Speaker 4: working with you, like, and every time she talks about
Speaker 4: me and my alliance, I think that it's really hard
Speaker 4: to highlight everyone's alliance. But to be completely honest with you, guys,
Speaker 4: the only people that I had an allegiance to was Michelle, Nourice,
Speaker 4: Olivia and at this at this moment, too Raven, Right,
Speaker 4: that's the only that's the only people that I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: like I made a promise, you know, we all talked
Speaker 4: on the phone. I said, hey, I promise you guys
Speaker 4: like you know, like we're together, right and as far
Speaker 4: as the guys bro the guys could stay. They were
Speaker 4: with me, but we did not talk in the house.
Speaker 4: And everyone thought I was sketchy because I hung out
Speaker 4: with James and Zara all day. I don't out with
Speaker 4: them because they're funny as hell. They're fun, they're a
Speaker 4: good time, it's lighthearted. I'm sorry. But the people that
Speaker 4: I was aligned with at the moment, like when I
Speaker 4: would hang out with them, I was bored. I was like, alright,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna leave, you know, and like yeah, and Zara.
Speaker 4: I even told Dara, like for Colleen to say, I'm
Speaker 4: working with Zara. I told Dara, I said listen. I
Speaker 4: was very honest with her, and she could like say
Speaker 4: the same thing. I already made my promises, so it
Speaker 4: was already stressing me out. So I told her, I said,
Speaker 4: I won't say your name, you know, like until like
Speaker 4: I have to. I really don't want to say your name.
Speaker 4: I had I had. I wanted to put in Berna,
Speaker 4: I wanted to put in Colleen. I never listen when
Speaker 4: putting in Melissa and Big Tea. That was hard for
Speaker 4: me because we were in the same room and anytime
Speaker 4: because I would pull, I would pull Michelle aside. And
Speaker 4: I told Michelle, I said, Michelle, I really don't think
Speaker 4: that we should put them in because like they're not
Speaker 4: gunning for us, and you have too many connections in
Speaker 4: this game, so I think that it would just be
Speaker 4: smart to keep them in the game. And you don't
Speaker 4: have your like you don't have your fans dirty because
Speaker 4: you have too many people relying on you and kind
Speaker 4: of putting their putting their stress onto her. And you know,
Speaker 4: Michelle's very like you know, Michelle has a really big heart,
Speaker 4: so it stressed her out, Like any any move we
Speaker 4: made would stress her out because she's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: hurt this person's feeling. And that's why I told her,
Speaker 4: I said, how many people can we be aligned with?
Speaker 4: You know? I think she kind of like even with
Speaker 4: like Colleen, like Michelle, you know, Michelle didn't want to
Speaker 4: be aligned with Colleen. She was because of Jay and
Speaker 4: she she her alliances became what Jay's alliances and everyone
Speaker 4: got sucked into one big thing. And that was the
Speaker 4: point where I was like bro why why do I
Speaker 4: have to like, if I don't listen to this, then
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm sketchy. But it was honest, honestly, it
Speaker 4: was too big of an alliance.
Speaker 2: Yes, what were your feelings about Michelle because we see
Speaker 2: her repeating this sort of we see it in a
Speaker 2: couple episodes, but certainly in this one where she feels
Speaker 2: like in some of the other girls in the alliance
Speaker 2: you just mentioned, like Nourice Olivia, feel like James maybe
Speaker 2: pulling you down, like sort of shifting your focus or
Speaker 2: that you're no you were working hard to Yeah, how
Speaker 2: do you feel about watching that?
Speaker 4: Well? These listen these girls know, like, how how am
Speaker 4: I working against the alliance? If I'm if I'm promising
Speaker 4: the people that I made promise to, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 4: not crossing them. I'm not crossing the girls. Just because
Speaker 4: they have their own separate alliances doesn't mean that I
Speaker 4: have to fall in line with that. And it became
Speaker 4: hard because you felt like if you didn't fall in line,
Speaker 4: everyone was going to attack you. But like their alliances,
Speaker 4: how cook, I didn't like that because my alliance didn't
Speaker 4: work with their alliance, Like it was a problem. But
Speaker 4: you know, like when people are like, oh, like one
Speaker 4: time Jay came up to me, He's like you would say,
Speaker 4: like saying he was a problem. He's like, you would
Speaker 4: say James name over over me, And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I would, you would say Michelle over me? What are
Speaker 4: you talking about? Like there's this big bab But how
Speaker 4: come when I I only at that point.
Speaker 2: In the game double standard?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's because I knew, bro, I knew I
Speaker 4: was lower on this pecking list of almost everyone besides
Speaker 4: like Michelle. You know, I just I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 4: you know, last episode, people in my alliance wanted to
Speaker 4: throw me in, some of the girls that I made
Speaker 4: promises to, And at that moment in time, I was like,
Speaker 4: I really like, why am I I'm I'm fighting. I
Speaker 4: was baddling my my promise and my heart because I
Speaker 4: didn't want to work with the people that I was
Speaker 4: working with. But I was eating myself up so much
Speaker 4: about my about my word that I was like badling, like, Okay,
Speaker 4: do I keep my word or do I know what's like?
Speaker 4: Do what's best for my heart? Because for my heart,
Speaker 4: the only people at that time that I wanted to
Speaker 4: protect was was Michelle and James like that was it
Speaker 4: everyone else. I knew at one point they would say.
Speaker 2: My name, who do you think Michelle's We know that
Speaker 2: Jay's her number one guy obviously, but who's her number
Speaker 2: one girl amongst this alliance?
Speaker 4: Me like we I honestly, I am pretty sure because listen,
Speaker 4: me and me and Michelle had this talk before she
Speaker 4: came on the season. I knew she was coming on
Speaker 4: the season before a lot of people. Actually, some people
Speaker 4: got upset that she didn't tell her and like, I
Speaker 4: know she had a lot of people to make promises
Speaker 4: to you. I know she's really close to Olivia. I
Speaker 4: know she's really close to Nourice. But we had an
Speaker 4: agreement Olivia and Nourice for each other's number ones, and
Speaker 4: they would save each other over us. And I said
Speaker 4: the same thing about Michelle. She said the same thing
Speaker 4: about me.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you tried to like divide it up equally
Speaker 2: sort of in a way where yeah, and each one
Speaker 2: of you is protecting one of them. Yeahs a number one.
Speaker 4: They're not showing me how close me and Michelle were
Speaker 4: because we talked outside of the show like almost every day,
Speaker 4: like even now, we still talk single day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what they see what she's friends with a
Speaker 2: lot of people.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, yea, what they are showing though,
Speaker 3: it seemed like Michelle's number one girl is Michelle.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting.
Speaker 3: Even in the conversation that she's having with you, where
Speaker 3: she looks like on the outside, it looks like a
Speaker 3: friend is having a conversation, Oh, this man is dragging
Speaker 3: down your game.
Speaker 1: This man, this man, this man.
Speaker 3: But to me, somebody who is a gamer who has
Speaker 3: played the game and played Big Brother, it seems to
Speaker 3: me like she's saying, this man is getting in the
Speaker 3: way of you doing what I need you to do
Speaker 3: in this game.
Speaker 4: That no that I mean, I have this conversation with her.
Speaker 4: I did feel that. I did tell her. I said,
Speaker 4: you know, I said, it really upset me because you know,
Speaker 4: they don't show our conversations after. But I told her,
Speaker 4: I said, you know, like, I feel like everyone wants
Speaker 4: me to do what's best for them, but the moment
Speaker 4: that I want to do what's best for me, it's
Speaker 4: a problem. And you know a lot of people tried
Speaker 4: making it look like, oh, Mariah likes James, that's why
Speaker 4: she wanted to protect him. It was not even about feelings.
Speaker 4: It's just he was truly the only person. The one
Speaker 4: thing that I admire about James's he never he always
Speaker 4: said what what he actually felt. And you know the
Speaker 4: reason why I was so upset that everyone was so
Speaker 4: comfortable saying James's name was because literally James would do
Speaker 4: everything the Alliance, would want everything. If he would tell people,
Speaker 4: if Mariah says it, I'm going to do the same
Speaker 4: thing whatever I did, James did too. James was one
Speaker 4: hundred percent anything like even you saw the episodes with
Speaker 4: Melissa going up to him and saying, let's vote Raven.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
Speaker 4: There is never anything that I didn't know about. Like,
Speaker 4: James is very, very loyal.
Speaker 2: To me in this game, and so you feel like
Speaker 2: he would ride for you as hard politically because we
Speaker 2: saw you ride for him yeah this episode. So you
Speaker 2: feel like if the roles were reversed, you were up
Speaker 2: for nomination or whatever, that he'd go as hard to
Speaker 2: people in the house, putting himself in sort of the
Speaker 2: line of fire to try and protect you.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest, I would not want him to
Speaker 4: because he is the worst politicer ever, he gets mad
Speaker 4: and he'll start saying, I don't get a book, put
Speaker 4: me in, I'll beat all of yous, That's what he'll say.
Speaker 1: Like He'll be like it will be all.
Speaker 4: Abuse, and I'll be like no, like I don't. Honestly,
Speaker 4: I would not want him to because he was at
Speaker 4: the bottom of everyone's list already. Like yeah. It got
Speaker 4: to the point where I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: Like basically, what's happening now is I'm having James doing
Speaker 4: everything I want to do, and now I'm feeling bad
Speaker 4: because I'm feeling like we're doing nothing. Maybe he wants
Speaker 4: to do, you know. So it became instead of becoming
Speaker 4: a thing where me and him were like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 4: we need to reassess our plans, because at this moment,
Speaker 4: really I had, you know, I had people. The girls
Speaker 4: were listen, the girls were saying things about me, but
Speaker 4: not saying it to my face. This is why another
Speaker 4: reason why I was so upset. I had a conversation
Speaker 4: with Olivia before this challenge, and she told me we
Speaker 4: need to throw in Kylin in ed like they're not
Speaker 4: doing anything. They're strong players. We need to throw them out.
Speaker 4: Like she kept putting in my head that we're gonna,
Speaker 4: we're gonna, you know, we should get out Kylin, we
Speaker 4: should throw up Ed. And she kept making ideas and
Speaker 4: when it follow through, So, you know, going into this challenge,
Speaker 4: like if it was a knowing the teams that we had,
Speaker 4: if it was a guy's day, I knew I was
Speaker 4: going to say Kyland because in my head it's like
Speaker 4: her and her and Kyland are good friends outside of this, right,
Speaker 4: so if I do, if I say Kyland, it will
Speaker 4: be no problem for her to say Ed, is what
Speaker 4: I was saying, because she was She's talking about Ed saying,
Speaker 4: you know, like he's not doing anything, he's boring, like
Speaker 4: let's get him out of the game. And then when
Speaker 4: push comes the shove, like she doesn't do it, and
Speaker 4: that upset me. And then also Jay Jay was upsetting
Speaker 4: me and a man. Well before this challenge, we had
Speaker 4: this whole thing where we heard that Hirasio is going
Speaker 4: to throw the challenge in case we said Kylin, and
Speaker 4: so we were all arguing, like do we put Hirasio
Speaker 4: on the ball so that he can't bath try. We
Speaker 4: were we had this Me and Jay were doing this
Speaker 4: secret like like talk and then you know, we couldn't
Speaker 4: put everyone in it because a lot of people like.
Speaker 2: Who gave you the tip off that Hirasio might throw
Speaker 2: the challenge? Like where did that rumor from?
Speaker 4: I think that a man well or Jay saw him
Speaker 4: and Kylin whisper in the corner and heard something or something.
Speaker 4: So there was something happening, right, and so it was
Speaker 4: really only it was only me me. I think maybe
Speaker 4: Zara knew and and a Manuel and Jay. So while
Speaker 4: we're having the secret meeting, I bricked Colleen Raven. I
Speaker 4: want to do this. I want to do this. And
Speaker 4: at this point I couldn't tell Raven because Raven always
Speaker 4: accidentally tells information. She always bro I was just with
Speaker 4: it the other day and I told her, I said,
Speaker 4: one thing about you is you're very unseerious like I.
Speaker 4: It's very hard to tell her anything because she somehow
Speaker 4: ruins the plans or she tells, Yeah, she tells, and
Speaker 4: then I have to like have her back and be like, no,
Speaker 4: she didn't mean it, she didn't mean it.
Speaker 2: That is so funny. Does she acknowledge them that it's
Speaker 2: she accidentally?
Speaker 4: Like can't She's like yeah, my bad, because I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: my bro. The first episode, She's like, I'm gonna stick
Speaker 4: to my line.
Speaker 2: Oh we saw that, right, we saw that. We couldn't
Speaker 2: tell at first if it was like no messiness or
Speaker 2: just like a like accidental.
Speaker 4: We were telling everyone in the house, we're all cool, gaya,
Speaker 4: you know, So when she said a line, people are
Speaker 4: like alliance. I was like, I don't know what she's
Speaker 4: talking about. So yeah, so we had this whole conversation
Speaker 4: what we're going to do, right. So then when it
Speaker 4: comes down to saying our votes, I noticed Jane and
Speaker 4: a man while are quiet and kind of saying like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'll say this. They're waiting for the girls to say it,
Speaker 4: and that annoyed me, so I kept I kept telling Jay.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Jay, say what you want, say what you
Speaker 4: want to do. Come on, come on, like you're saying
Speaker 4: you want to do this, you want to do this,
Speaker 4: let's do it, like let's just because I was sick.
Speaker 4: I was sick of the game being one big team,
Speaker 4: so I wanted there. I wanted there to be a divide,
Speaker 4: like even the episode, you know, episode nine, for him
Speaker 4: to throw the challenge, like him with the sneaks, the
Speaker 4: first one, him jogging. I was sprinting in my life,
Speaker 4: trying to catch up, and it didn't matter because he
Speaker 4: didn't want to win. And like he was telling me
Speaker 4: he wanted to win, you know, he wanted to throw
Speaker 4: in Ross. I want to throw in Kylin. I wanted
Speaker 4: to do the same thing, but I felt like he
Speaker 4: wanted someone else to do it, and I just I
Speaker 4: wanted there to be a divide and I wanted his
Speaker 4: I wanted people to know where he was at two. Yeah,
Speaker 4: time already looking at me. People were already looking at
Speaker 4: me shady. So I'm like, hello, like, I'm not like,
Speaker 4: I'm not cheaty, I'm riding with who I'm riding with.
Speaker 4: But you guys are writing with too many people right, right,
Speaker 4: like everyone right.
Speaker 2: And the numbers have gotten down so far now that
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to start splitting things up. Like you
Speaker 2: literally can't take everyone with you to the end, so
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to start spitting things up. Something that's
Speaker 2: interesting that you you know, was mentioned multiple times in
Speaker 2: this episode is that Corey has managed to get people's
Speaker 2: trust back in the house hints why his name was
Speaker 2: please Mariah explain to us, having been in the house,
Speaker 2: how he managed to do a one eighty from the
Speaker 2: disastrous politicking that he's been doing in episodes, probably like,
Speaker 2: how does anyone in the house suddenly start to trust him?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I don't think. I don't think, because even at
Speaker 4: this time, you know, me and him, Me and him
Speaker 4: ended up being fun, right, But even at this time,
Speaker 4: I felt and a lot of people, even though they
Speaker 4: said they trust him, trusted him, they didn't really trust him.
Speaker 4: I think just I think at that at the moment,
Speaker 4: it all came down to it just came down to better,
Speaker 4: like honestly, kind of because honestly because of Michelle, probably
Speaker 4: because Michelle was very well connected she played Honestly, Michelle
Speaker 4: did play a really good game because she was connected
Speaker 4: to everyone, and like, yeah, you know, and I know
Speaker 4: it's hard for her to be in that position because
Speaker 4: you know, when you're in that type of position, you
Speaker 4: get so many people saying their opinions and they're not
Speaker 4: all great. But she she definitely had a huge, huge
Speaker 4: influence in the house. So I think that, you know,
Speaker 4: when she pulled people aside and said no, like we
Speaker 4: could trust Corey, I think that that's what made it
Speaker 4: a thing. But that's the same thing with ed. I
Speaker 4: feel like maybe, you know, like maybe if Michelle, if
Speaker 4: Michelle went to James, or if Michelle chose ED, everyone
Speaker 4: else would say ed.
Speaker 2: Too, you know, right, which is another good point too.
Speaker 2: In deliberation, we noticed that Olivia, especially not long after,
Speaker 2: we saw a scene where you and Olivia are talking,
Speaker 2: right and or she she does a talking head talking
Speaker 2: about kind of her concerns around James, but she's close
Speaker 2: to you, all that stuff, and then we see in
Speaker 2: nomination her sort of lead the nominations and say James's name.
Speaker 4: It just it really bothered me because she was preaching
Speaker 4: ED at ED, so I thought it was going to
Speaker 4: be ed ed ed and when it came down to it,
Speaker 4: you know, and her saying no one was making moves.
Speaker 4: She just she's you know, she said James, and you know,
Speaker 4: the the night in the club before that, she told
Speaker 4: me that she wants to put James in her numbers,
Speaker 4: Like she said, I want to take someone out and
Speaker 4: put James blah blah blah. So I felt like it
Speaker 4: was good, like I felt like James had a chance
Speaker 4: and he didn't. And it just really bothered me because
Speaker 4: James was doing everything that the Alliance wanted like everything,
Speaker 4: and they treated him like, oh, like you know, you're
Speaker 4: not useful anymore, thank you. And you know, it sucks
Speaker 4: because a lot of people actually were in that position
Speaker 4: and they didn't even realize it. Like and she was
Speaker 4: in that position. She didn't like for her Mariah this
Speaker 4: alliance like I'm sorry, but all of those girls were like,
Speaker 4: what are you talking about? Alliance? Do you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? Like, if yeah, it's a different team one,
Speaker 4: it would have been Colleen and Bernhard, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, so yeah, all right, look we have
Speaker 3: to take a quick break, but we will be right
Speaker 3: back after this.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I know you guys have been waiting and I've been
Speaker 3: waiting too, so let's go ahead and get back to
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: We see you say to James when James kind of
Speaker 2: takes the approach that he's not gonna politic, right, he's like,
Speaker 2: I don't believe in politicking. They both me ben f
Speaker 2: you and you're like no, and we see you politic
Speaker 2: and you sort of say like, I think you know
Speaker 2: if your nominaated or your name is up for nomination,
Speaker 2: and you don't say anything. It seems like you don't
Speaker 2: care I think he should say anything. I'm curious your
Speaker 2: thoughts about that now, given that what we've seen this
Speaker 2: season is that this house is full of some interesting
Speaker 2: characters but also some disastrous politickers, particularly when it comes
Speaker 2: to their name being up for nomination. Like we've seen
Speaker 2: the speeches that Chauncey's given, we've seen the speeches Cory's given,
Speaker 2: we've seen the speeches the games would listen big t
Speaker 2: you play like awful, and then there was that girl
Speaker 2: from episode one name but that was also terrible. So
Speaker 2: so do you really still feel like I see you
Speaker 2: give a valiant effort here, but it didn't help James. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: Fuck your opinion? Like, we're gonna do what we want
Speaker 4: to do. And that's how I felt like people when
Speaker 4: I talked to them, That's how they That's where everyone's
Speaker 4: head was at. But I'm glad now that James didn't
Speaker 4: politic one because he's actually not that good at politicking.
Speaker 4: He actually would get all wild up and just say
Speaker 4: he's gonna beat everyone, and I actually hate that for him.
Speaker 2: And then is that why people didn't like, didn't warm
Speaker 2: to him. Do you think as much as you did.
Speaker 4: You know a lot of people liked James was the
Speaker 4: jokes are in the house, Like people would be like, oh,
Speaker 4: I love you, but like you know, like they would
Speaker 4: he just needed someone. They already made all their promises.
Speaker 2: So they was just you know, on the escapegoat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, he was everyone's scapegoat. Like and it came
Speaker 4: to the point where I was like, bro, like, stop
Speaker 4: like stopping nice to them because you know they're being
Speaker 4: nice and then they're going to do this, and I
Speaker 4: keep you know, me, James and I we keep giving
Speaker 4: everyone a chance, like we're gonna be like, Okay, this
Speaker 4: time will be different. And honestly, that's a huge regret
Speaker 4: in my mind too, is just hoping that you know,
Speaker 4: if I show like, hey, I am keeping my word
Speaker 4: with the people I'm keeping my word with, maybe they'll
Speaker 4: do the same. I feel like that just didn't end
Speaker 4: up happening. Like I feel like everyone did not care
Speaker 4: what I wanted because it wasn't. It's just crazy that
Speaker 4: people are like Maria's playing your own game, but like
Speaker 4: they're playing their own game by not doing what I
Speaker 4: want to do, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Right of course?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was it was just it was a lot.
Speaker 4: I wish I did a lot in the house differently
Speaker 4: a lot, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because from the outside looking in, like I said earlier,
Speaker 3: it appears that this alliance that was created, and the
Speaker 3: branches of the alliance that is created, all of this
Speaker 3: is to help push forth Michelle and Jay's game.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: It's all of you working as a machine, not even
Speaker 3: realizing it. I think it's starting to click for you,
Speaker 3: but working as a machine to do their dirty work
Speaker 3: and push them to the final.
Speaker 1: That's exactly it's.
Speaker 2: Giving Mafia vibe a godfather.
Speaker 4: So I definitely, I definitely agree with with j I
Speaker 4: think Ja will do whatever takes to make a final.
Speaker 4: And then as far as as far as Michelle, I
Speaker 4: feel like Michelle always had the three girls that she
Speaker 4: I know that I know that Michelle will never say
Speaker 4: my name, should never say Olivia's name, and she wouldn't
Speaker 4: say Narese's name that I knew.
Speaker 2: But what would happen if, like, Okay, so you know
Speaker 2: how you talked about being on a big team a
Speaker 2: second ago, right, what would happen if you guys were
Speaker 2: on big, a big team before and Michelle was on
Speaker 2: one side the three of you are on the other
Speaker 2: side Michelle team one, and she's got to say a
Speaker 2: girl's name because now what happens, she can't not say
Speaker 2: all three.
Speaker 4: I think that she Yeah, I mean at that point,
Speaker 4: you got to save yourself. Like I think that Michelle
Speaker 4: like say, those were the teams, right, Yeah, I think
Speaker 4: I think that Michelle would say Nourice. I think that
Speaker 4: I would say Olivia.
Speaker 2: I think Olivia would say me, and I think that
Speaker 2: Nurie interesting.
Speaker 4: I think Nurie would end up saying Michelle. And then
Speaker 4: I think that the guys. I think it'd be scary
Speaker 4: because it would be down to the guys, and then
Speaker 4: it probably for sure would be me because I was
Speaker 4: not like I don't want to suck anyone's ass like
Speaker 4: I I. We didn't talk game like you know, when
Speaker 4: when the house almost flipped on me, that was when
Speaker 4: that was a secret blessing because then some of the
Speaker 4: guys started talking to me, and that's that's when I
Speaker 4: felt a little bit safer with some guys. But you know,
Speaker 4: I still didn't have that like they were gonna ride
Speaker 4: for me. You know, I only felt like Michelle would
Speaker 4: do that for me, and I only felt like James
Speaker 4: would do that for me.
Speaker 2: I just do you feel like burna started to become
Speaker 2: because we see Berna and I just when I was thinking, like,
Speaker 2: look how far burn has come, because when we had
Speaker 2: her on earlier in the season in the podcast, and
Speaker 2: she was really struggling getting along with people, and then
Speaker 2: the last few episodes it seems like she's you know,
Speaker 2: found her way, things gotten better, and now we see
Speaker 2: her again arguing and all of that stuff. Do you
Speaker 2: feel like she's starting to make herself a target in
Speaker 2: the house and helping kind of keep the heat off
Speaker 2: of you despite this whole like them voting James thing
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, or what are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: No, Berna is the only person in Challenge history that
Speaker 4: could like fight with so many people and like not
Speaker 4: get voted in, like like me, you know, me and
Speaker 4: Berna at this and in this moment in the game,
Speaker 4: me and Berna, like we would pick her because she
Speaker 4: would just fight with me, Like she would fight with
Speaker 4: me over hangman on the back.
Speaker 2: I think it's her love language.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she would just fight with me, like about songs,
Speaker 4: anything she could fight with me about, you know. So
Speaker 4: at this point, I was like, bro, come on, like
Speaker 4: me and me and me and Berna were in like
Speaker 4: a sure little war. Like I had my target. So
Speaker 4: that's what I'm saying. But you know, no one wanted to.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just I guess I had my
Speaker 2: no one or something. Yeah, I mean it's impressive because
Speaker 2: it's earlier in this season that was gone right and
Speaker 2: now yes, and she's managed to like make it halfway through.
Speaker 2: It's so I mean, but obviously when talking to her
Speaker 2: on the podcast, she is very likable, Like I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think she's she's great and wonderful. But it's just
Speaker 2: funny seeing how she can like pop off at people
Speaker 2: so much and yet and not be a part of
Speaker 2: this sort of you know, super alliance at least or
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like be at the top
Speaker 2: of the super alliance that you know, it was.
Speaker 4: Hard for Berna because everyone's different, right, So like me,
Speaker 4: like I was close to Michelle, but I don't give
Speaker 4: a shit who Michelle's talking to. Like I'm the friend
Speaker 4: that you don't have to talk to at all. I
Speaker 4: know we're you know, but yeah, are different. So she's
Speaker 4: the friend, like she wants that attention. She feels like
Speaker 4: she you know, she needs the attention, you know, like
Speaker 4: everyone's different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a little territorial.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And Michelle was really really like they don't show
Speaker 4: how much she was, but Michelle was very much fighting
Speaker 4: for Berna. Because there was a lot of times where
Speaker 4: I would tell Michelle. I'd be like Michelle, like I'm
Speaker 4: trying to be nice for you, Obama snapper, or I'm
Speaker 4: gonna like I'm gonna put her in, and she'd be like, well,
Speaker 4: like trust me, like like she's just feeling like this,
Speaker 4: like this isn't how she normally is, you know. So
Speaker 4: she was she was rocking with Berna, like she was trying.
Speaker 4: It just was hard because no people sometimes Naris was
Speaker 4: on my side about Berna, but then we'd have Olivia
Speaker 4: who wouldn't be or everyone was so everyone was so
Speaker 4: like I want to do this, then I want to
Speaker 4: do this. No one was ever solid on anything, like
Speaker 4: people would just change the plans according to whatever it was. Me.
Speaker 4: I feel like I was always solid with who I
Speaker 4: wanted out first, you know.
Speaker 2: Regarding being solid or change of plans. Who are you
Speaker 2: most shocked by in this nomination that voted for James
Speaker 2: was it Nourice, Olivia Michelle like, who shocked you the
Speaker 2: most in their declaration to pick James?
Speaker 1: So I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I wasn't actually that shocked with Nourice because she told me,
Speaker 4: she said, hey, Mariah, like, the numbers aren't going to
Speaker 4: go towards ED, so I can't make a target for myself.
Speaker 4: And I told her, you know, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I understand. I appreciated that she even said that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but it kind of also give me the grace to
Speaker 4: It gave me the grace to be like, okay, cool,
Speaker 4: well now I could still say Harasia like I wanted to,
Speaker 4: you know. And also the whole reason why I had
Speaker 4: because at first I was thinking of everyone's number ones, right,
Speaker 4: but no one was thinking of my number one. And
Speaker 4: the only reason why I was willing to say Harasio
Speaker 4: was because Olivia would always tell me that I could
Speaker 4: say Hirasio. She told several people.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, why wait wait
Speaker 2: hold on, roll it back, sorry, So Olivia would tell you, yeah,
Speaker 2: kind of behind the scenes, that it was cool if
Speaker 2: you said Harazio.
Speaker 4: She said she didn't want to run a final with him,
Speaker 4: and that it was okay, like that she can't be
Speaker 4: the one to do it right, So she would tell
Speaker 4: me this, is.
Speaker 2: That because she thought he was competition or is it
Speaker 2: because there was some brewing? Okay, because hints. Yeah, we're
Speaker 2: starting to get hints already from both like teasers. Also
Speaker 2: we had Nouris on the pod. Also from what we've
Speaker 2: seen in episodes that there is some also I think
Speaker 2: what they stopped following each other or something on social
Speaker 2: media that there's like this thing brewing and we couldn't
Speaker 2: understand where or how this starts to come. And so Olivia,
Speaker 2: it's seems like is behind the scenes sort of undermining
Speaker 2: or wanting to get rid of Hirasio.
Speaker 4: Is that, Yeah, there's some people are really really good
Speaker 4: at twisting things or doing things off camera. And definitely
Speaker 4: one I could have so many people actually, probably almost
Speaker 4: the whole house can vouch for me. She wanted me
Speaker 4: to get her through house, like she wanted.
Speaker 2: To you specifically, she wanted you to be the one
Speaker 2: that she.
Speaker 4: Like, anyone she would just like plant in people's heads,
Speaker 4: you know, like.
Speaker 2: And Noreise didn't pick up on this at the time,
Speaker 2: or because you guys all seemed like friends, so like
Speaker 2: that's why.
Speaker 4: Arice didn't know. And at this moment, you know, I
Speaker 4: I wasn't really talking to Livy in the house. I
Speaker 4: wasn't really talking to Arice in the house. I talked
Speaker 4: to Michelle because she laid next to me, but I
Speaker 4: really was with James and Zara like I was chilling,
Speaker 4: like I didn't. I didn't speak game until I had
Speaker 4: you because I kind of knew what I wanted to do,
Speaker 4: and it was it was a matter of seeing what
Speaker 4: was going to happen and then working towards whatever. But
Speaker 4: I started realizing I don't get a ship what I said,
Speaker 4: but I feel in the long run, I ended up
Speaker 4: being right, and I'm so glad. But I would doubt
Speaker 4: my intuition about people about things.
Speaker 2: What were you right about?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: What were some of the things that your intuition was
Speaker 2: telling you that you feel like have been validated or confirmed?
Speaker 4: My Okay? So it's one one thing for sure is
Speaker 4: it's hard for me to tell if I like someone
Speaker 4: or I don't like someone, or if I'm being mean.
Speaker 4: I'm not being mean. And one thing that I didn't like, uh,
Speaker 4: I know it, I feel even mean saying it, but
Speaker 4: I didn't like Helen like I didn't. I felt like
Speaker 4: there was something off about her and I felt like
Speaker 4: I just got a bad feeling from her and that
Speaker 4: rarely happens for me. And I feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: from certain things that people told me after the show,
Speaker 4: and like how how she is, I was right, so
Speaker 4: that was also my intuition. I felt like I feel
Speaker 4: like I should have trusted my heart and not my word.
Speaker 2: Way in what in what way? And like in terms
Speaker 2: of voting someone, and you feel like you should have
Speaker 2: trusted your heart, and like I shaved someone.
Speaker 4: Or I wish that I didn't. I've sometimes I wish
Speaker 4: that I didn't work with who I worked with, you know,
Speaker 4: and I wish that I stuck to my guns about
Speaker 4: things because for me, it was hard because it was
Speaker 4: a tight line for me because I was not in
Speaker 4: a good position because if I said anything, if I
Speaker 4: said anything, it was a reason for someone to throw
Speaker 4: me in, Like people didn't trust me because I hung
Speaker 4: out with the UK people from the start, and.
Speaker 1: Like it was.
Speaker 4: Hard because even okay, even in deliberation when everyone said
Speaker 4: James's name, do you know how bad I wanted to
Speaker 4: be like, Wow, guys, I wanted to blow up everything.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be like, hey, you said this, you
Speaker 4: said you were going to do this. I'm confused, But
Speaker 4: I didn't do it because I knew. I know that
Speaker 4: in the long run, that wasn't smart for me, because I.
Speaker 2: Want we're so glad you didn't blow up your game
Speaker 2: over that, So glad you didn't.
Speaker 4: Like I want to be far. So there's there's a time,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, totally, And it just it was hard,
Speaker 4: Like there's just a lot of things, a lot of
Speaker 4: people that I realized, like I shouldn't even be friends
Speaker 4: with people who have secret animosity towards me. I feel
Speaker 4: like there's just a lot that I'm like, wow, I
Speaker 4: you know, watching it back and also hearing things after
Speaker 4: season and finding the truth about things, it really gets
Speaker 4: you mad. It's so hard. People don't understand that when
Speaker 4: you're in the game, you're not seeing the whole picture.
Speaker 4: So when you do you see the whole picture, you're like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I was wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Yeah, those talking head interviews and secret
Speaker 2: alliances tell a lot, like painting a big piece of
Speaker 2: the story. We see you in your talking head mention
Speaker 2: and not to like go back to this, but we're
Speaker 2: now in kind of in the elimination phase, and we
Speaker 2: wouldn't be honest if we didn't bring it up. We
Speaker 2: see you mention going because now you know mercenaries are coming. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Johnny is one of the great We see you mention like,
Speaker 2: oh god, I don't know if it's going to be
Speaker 2: Bananas or who's going to be the one coming down here?
Speaker 2: How worried were you really that bananas might be the
Speaker 2: one coming?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: My interlimination? And had you talked to anyone in the
Speaker 2: house about your concern?
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Everyone in the house was bring it
Speaker 4: up to me. I was trying to move past it
Speaker 4: because I finally was in a spot where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's like I'm not gonna think about it anymore. It's done,
Speaker 4: Like the damage is done. This is why I feel now.
Speaker 4: I just got to rock with how I feel in
Speaker 4: any stand on it.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: So everyone would be like, are you worried it's going
Speaker 4: to be Bananas? It's oh, it's going to be Banana's
Speaker 4: Banana's first James. So it was getting James all rolled up.
Speaker 4: It's getting me all rolled up.
Speaker 2: I actually what was James's response to it?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, well like, oh, it might be well,
Speaker 4: first he you know, he would do his defense mechanism,
Speaker 4: he'd be like I don't care. But then you know,
Speaker 4: when it was me and him, he'd be like, he's like,
Speaker 4: why does everyone want to put it as me and them?
Speaker 4: Like fuck them? Like why don't you go like faceing?
Speaker 4: You know, no one wants to go down there. So
Speaker 4: I knew that if if Johnny came, I was really
Speaker 4: stressed out because one it would like hurt me to
Speaker 4: see him hurt and two like I know he wouldn't
Speaker 4: be nice to me. He probably acts like I was dead.
Speaker 4: But I didn't want to make it a thing. So
Speaker 4: I literally had a note that I wrote, and it
Speaker 4: was a it was an apology. No, it was like
Speaker 4: a very long note, and I had it in my
Speaker 4: pocket every elimination so that if it was if it
Speaker 4: was him, I could give it to him because I
Speaker 4: didn't want to make it a big moment, like I
Speaker 4: just wanted to give it to him and him have
Speaker 4: it him be able to read it by himself. I
Speaker 4: know he probably wouldn't rip it treads, but at least
Speaker 4: I tried. I'm just you know, I'm glad that he's Like,
Speaker 4: I just feel like maybe I feel like maybe I
Speaker 4: cared a lot, and like, looking at it now, I
Speaker 4: feel like maybe he doesn't care as much as I
Speaker 4: thought he did. Like he's definitely as a defense mechanism.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if it's because he's hurt or
Speaker 4: because he's embarrassed, you know, So I think I think.
Speaker 2: It's probably makes it both. I think he's definitely hurt,
Speaker 2: and he looked as someone who's known him for a
Speaker 2: long time and knows that he's toxic as hell. I
Speaker 2: definitely think he really cared. And sure there's embarrassment in
Speaker 2: there too, there's always that, but like, I think he
Speaker 2: really cared. Even the way he treated you in the beginning,
Speaker 2: not saying he's not toxic af but just it was
Speaker 2: the fact that he was, like making you breakfast and
Speaker 2: sending you notes in rid her eyes was very interesting
Speaker 2: to watch, like very unique in that scenario, a different approach,
Speaker 2: And so I do think he cared. Well, how did
Speaker 2: it make you feel when you saw first we see
Speaker 2: Tory bring it up, then we see Durrell bring it up.
Speaker 2: What are you know? I can only imagine that caught
Speaker 2: you off guard and was kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: what the hell, how were you feeling, Drell, Well.
Speaker 4: I was already listen. I was already on edge. I
Speaker 4: was so stressed out about hurting someone's feelings. So when
Speaker 4: Tory said it, I couldn't. It wasn't even what Tory
Speaker 4: was saying. I was thinking about Johnny and how he
Speaker 4: was feeling and it made me cry. I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm hurting someone. And then when Drell
Speaker 4: said it, because I already have all these people are
Speaker 4: doing this chant in the house, They're talking about it constantly,
Speaker 4: they're making it a thing. So when that's happening, I
Speaker 4: started becoming numb to it. So when Darrell said it,
Speaker 4: I was like, Darrell, at that point, I was numb
Speaker 4: to it. But then you know, Darrell says to me,
Speaker 4: He's like, just kidding, he would have done it to
Speaker 4: you too, like you know, so.
Speaker 2: That sounds like something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Darrell said that to me, you know, after,
Speaker 4: and I was like okay, because I was really beating
Speaker 4: myself up, and I think that, you know, maybe Durell
Speaker 4: could see that, so he you know, I think it's
Speaker 4: just hard because when Durell says it to you, I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, because you know, they didn't show it,
Speaker 4: but Katy even said something to me, Oh really Yeah,
Speaker 4: Kasey was like, what's happening, Like, what's going on? What's
Speaker 4: going on?
Speaker 2: Wait? How did Casey? Because did Casey just notice you
Speaker 2: guys were standing close together?
Speaker 4: Like all? Big T told Casey, Oh, she told the Yeah,
Speaker 4: she was just telling her. Oh, you know, Big T
Speaker 4: was getting pretty much like everyone wanted big T out,
Speaker 4: so she was probably telling Casey like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: they're trying to get me out. This is happening, rightse
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah, she asked me. And then when
Speaker 4: Devin came, someone in the stand said something before before
Speaker 4: like Devin had no clue, no clue, he had no clue.
Speaker 4: But then there said something like oh, who's the people
Speaker 4: in the house or something, and someone said something and
Speaker 4: he's like, really, oh shit. So that's how Devin found out.
Speaker 4: Everyone thinks it's because I said don't pick him, but.
Speaker 2: It wasn't because of that.
Speaker 3: So now at this point, you have all of these
Speaker 3: vents making statements about you and Johnny and James, right,
Speaker 3: they're all making SAMs. And then earlier in the interview,
Speaker 3: you said you didn't want to say anything because you
Speaker 3: didn't wanted to be a TV thing. You didn't want
Speaker 3: it to be a moment. It is now a moment
Speaker 3: at this point, you now know it's a moment. So
Speaker 3: after after derail, you know what I'm saying, did you
Speaker 3: get you know what?
Speaker 1: Let me just make this phone call and get this
Speaker 1: overweight since we already.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, because I just you know, I really
Speaker 4: didn't want. I didn't want Johnny to think like I
Speaker 4: just did. I didn't want I already felt like I
Speaker 4: already did enough by hurting his feelings. I didn't want
Speaker 4: to have that. First of all, I don't think he
Speaker 4: would answer.
Speaker 2: Were you a little afraid to were you a little
Speaker 2: scared to face? No conversation?
Speaker 4: Now? One thing about me is if I do something
Speaker 4: and I'm not proud of it, I'll admit it and
Speaker 4: I'll say I'm sorry because what else can I do?
Speaker 4: Like I was so sorry, you know, but I didn't
Speaker 4: want it to be on TV, Like I just didn't
Speaker 4: want that for him, Not because I mean because.
Speaker 2: You know, like so did you think the bets mentioning
Speaker 2: it wasn't going to make air? Because we saw like
Speaker 2: Tory whisper it under her breath, tea a little bit
Speaker 2: right like where it seemed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought maybe they wouldn't put all of that in,
Speaker 4: you know, And so when they did, I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god. But you know, I wanted I wanted
Speaker 4: to tell him myself. I didn't want it to be
Speaker 4: a TV thing. I didn't want to I feel like,
Speaker 4: you know, even the chanting and stuff, I didn't like
Speaker 4: that because that's mean.
Speaker 2: Did you tell people in the house to shut the
Speaker 2: f up when they were doing that chanting? Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there has even a time, like I told,
Speaker 4: you know, I told James, I'm like, James, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't like when you do that, Like that's really
Speaker 4: really disrespectful, and like, I don't I don't want him
Speaker 4: like I didn't want Johnny to think because I wasn't
Speaker 4: in this house talking shit about him at all. I
Speaker 4: never talked shit about him, Like I don't like when
Speaker 4: I don't like when people are done and they like
Speaker 4: start being really mean about the person. I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't like doing that, you know. So it was just
Speaker 4: a lot of people were eating it up and they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be something big and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Oh, so they were trying to make it a moment
Speaker 2: in the house. So now James is safe, right and
Speaker 2: he didn't even have to compete how and he's coming
Speaker 2: back in the house. What are your what are the
Speaker 2: thoughts and feelings now? And do you guys have sort
Speaker 2: of a game plan or like what is the strategy
Speaker 2: in the next day.
Speaker 4: So so as soon as James's name is not picked,
Speaker 4: I literally slapped my butt and all the girls and
Speaker 4: I flick them off and they got kissed because I
Speaker 4: was like scre guys, like you guys, you know, I
Speaker 4: was still mad. So I looked at I looked at James.
Speaker 4: And when they said it was a night challenge, I
Speaker 4: swear to god, I was so pissed. They don't show
Speaker 4: how mad I was because I'm really good at, like
Speaker 4: I'm holding things in. I'm really good at holding things
Speaker 4: in and waiting for the perfect moment to say something,
Speaker 4: if I want to say anything. I'm someone who collects
Speaker 4: all my things and whatever. When they said that it
Speaker 4: was a night challenge, I was so peeled up. I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm gonna win this next one, like me
Speaker 4: and me and me and Michelle were in the room
Speaker 4: and she's like, I need to win this one. I said,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm winning this one. Like I'm winning, you
Speaker 4: know because one thing about me is like I'm kind
Speaker 4: of like unseerious, Like I don't this is kind of
Speaker 4: bad to say, but like it's not that deep for me.
Speaker 4: So like when I when someone does something to me,
Speaker 4: it gives me a purpose, like it makes me like pissed,
Speaker 4: like it makes me want to win otherwise, you know,
Speaker 4: like I I you know, I'm pretty chill, like whatever
Speaker 4: happens happens. But when you when I'm pissed off, like
Speaker 4: I will do one hundred times better.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it fires you up. And you see that like
Speaker 2: motivation that you need to push through. Yeah. So you
Speaker 2: so you are fired up going into this nighttime challenge
Speaker 2: and crazy I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, before we get into that, I just want to
Speaker 3: because I know this. You're a straight shooter and I'm
Speaker 3: seeing that in this this episode. You don't mind saying
Speaker 3: what you have to say and you don't mind talking
Speaker 3: about things. So I want to thank you for being
Speaker 3: vulnerable with us, and I want to thank you for
Speaker 3: coming a lot of people run from Devin, and I
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why.
Speaker 2: Not just calling out callum again. A lot of.
Speaker 3: People run from this podcast, and honestly, I feel like
Speaker 3: this is the best space. We can't always address the
Speaker 3: trolls on social media, we can't always address everything all
Speaker 3: the time, but I feel like this is a great
Speaker 3: platform for you to come and finally use your voice
Speaker 3: so people.
Speaker 2: Can't tell your your story, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 3: So I thank you for not holding back on us
Speaker 3: and coming and saying, hey, I know certain things Devin
Speaker 3: didn't agree.
Speaker 1: With, but I still want to come and tell you guys.
Speaker 2: You didn't agree either. Don't even try it back up.
Speaker 1: Ok, Yeah, let's call it what it was.
Speaker 3: The only thing I was when you was crying and
Speaker 3: you was like, how does my makeup look?
Speaker 1: I said, ma'am no, ma'am no, ma'am.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, well that was Listen. That was literally so
Speaker 4: long of me crying that I was over it. I
Speaker 4: was fucking numb, like I already cried all my tears.
Speaker 4: I'm done. And I also felt like, what the hell,
Speaker 4: why are you guys doing this to me? Because keep
Speaker 4: in mind, we're not supposed to be filming back there,
Speaker 4: so we're not filming back there, so I think this
Speaker 4: is a moment for for me. Look look I walked
Speaker 4: out of that stage showing like not trying to cry.
Speaker 4: Right So when I got back there to film for
Speaker 4: the for the drone shot, I thought, okay, like I
Speaker 4: could cry and it's gonna be fine. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a huge selfie light on me, huge SELFI light.
Speaker 2: That's literally what makes good TV. How Like moments are literally.
Speaker 4: TV person So I like, I didn't know that they
Speaker 4: were gonna whip out a big freaking light on me.
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I can like let it all out.
Speaker 4: So after me crying and then putting that light on
Speaker 4: me smartimes, I'm like, I need it looks like a
Speaker 4: tough bitch, Like, let me fix myself, let me be
Speaker 4: done crying. I'm numb to this. Like I feel ganged
Speaker 4: up on. I feel like everyone. I feel like everyone
Speaker 4: is you know, sticking up and you know, rightfully so
Speaker 4: sticking up for Johnny. But like also, like, are you
Speaker 4: guys even truly friends to be doing all this?
Speaker 2: Like you don't even I mean, but can you understand
Speaker 2: why just take a step back for a second, because
Speaker 2: I also heard since you mentioned hearing a clip about
Speaker 2: me saying I didn't agree with it, and I still
Speaker 2: stand on that. I appreciate you sharing your side, and
Speaker 2: I think in holding you to a higher regard and
Speaker 2: seeing that you had a conscience the whole time, which
Speaker 2: is something I always pointed out and like about you,
Speaker 2: is like you aren't a cold hearted person. You clearly
Speaker 2: like care about people, and so I think it's great.
Speaker 2: I do think as a viewer, we see that you care,
Speaker 2: right and like that's a good thing. That means you
Speaker 2: have a heart, But it's how it went about it,
Speaker 2: and like you know, ultimately he still got blindsided that part.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't agree with, but I heard that
Speaker 2: there was a comment sort of made around Oh, because
Speaker 2: we're friends with him or I'm friends with him or whatever,
Speaker 2: that's why we're defending. Like again, Johnny's toxic. I tell
Speaker 2: him that to his face, Like Johnny's toxic. But I
Speaker 2: do think like the challenge and maybe with this being
Speaker 2: your second season, you're starting to feel that or you
Speaker 2: will that, like even the Vets who don't get along,
Speaker 2: it is like a big dysfunctional family. So I think
Speaker 2: that's part of that hole the vets, so many of
Speaker 2: them having to say does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just feel like people don't know what they're
Speaker 4: talking about, and like that's yeah, like people don't know
Speaker 4: the ins and outs and they only know they only
Speaker 4: know the parts that maybe Johnny told them right, And
Speaker 4: I again want to say this I was not right,
Speaker 4: Like I'm not saying I'm not saying like, oh I
Speaker 4: did this because he did this because other people's actions
Speaker 4: don't reflect mine, like I did that. I did that,
Speaker 4: you know, and I take ownership for it. But people
Speaker 4: people don't know anything, like for people to yeah, they
Speaker 4: don't know anything. They don't know, they don't know what
Speaker 4: me and Johnny have been through. They don't know what's
Speaker 4: happened to me. They don't know anything. So when people
Speaker 4: are talking and saying like, oh, Mariah did this to him, Okay,
Speaker 4: what about me? Like you guys know nothing, and I
Speaker 4: don't like I'm I'm a pretty Like I don't want
Speaker 4: to do that, Like I don't want to do that, Johnny.
Speaker 4: I don't want to make things. I don't want to
Speaker 4: make things public, you know, honestly, soon, like I might
Speaker 4: get sick of it, Like if I keep like if
Speaker 4: there's people that keep continuing and like assuming, and you know,
Speaker 4: if he keeps like if people keep telling me he
Speaker 4: says things or whatever, then I'm gonna get a sick
Speaker 4: of it and I'm just gonna like lay everything out
Speaker 4: there because one thing about me is like I have
Speaker 4: like I have no shame if I make a mistake,
Speaker 4: because I'm human. I tell you I make a mistake, Like,
Speaker 4: what are you gonna do now?
Speaker 2: Like I make a mistakes, you can own up to
Speaker 2: your part of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will not fight it. I will not say
Speaker 4: like because I can only be better, Like I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't fix things, you know, I can't go back
Speaker 4: in time, but I could be better now. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: I sorry, I start ranting Africa with the hell and
Speaker 4: It's okay.
Speaker 2: We were just acknowledging. We were appreciating you for being
Speaker 2: for opening up, and we're just kind of like putting
Speaker 2: a bow on the fact of you know, what you learned,
Speaker 2: happy that you got a chance to tell your side
Speaker 2: of it as well, and wanting to give you that
Speaker 2: space and appreciate you coming and sharing your experience and
Speaker 2: just owning up to it because like we're all human,
Speaker 2: we all make mistakes and there's nothing worse than someone
Speaker 2: who can't like own that. So props to you for
Speaker 2: at least being able to say hey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I you know, and I don't want
Speaker 4: to seem like you know, I get I get defensive
Speaker 4: sometimes I'm like, I don't care, but I do care
Speaker 4: that I hurt someone. Yeah, you know, I just I
Speaker 4: guess I get some I get sometimes mad because I
Speaker 4: feel like for him personally, he knows like ins and
Speaker 4: outs of me and him, So for him to.
Speaker 2: Hard that he wasn't perking either, so that you're not
Speaker 2: the only villain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to be so hard on me hurts my feelings
Speaker 4: because you know, at least I'm open and honest about it.
Speaker 4: I just don't like that I'm getting attacked and he's
Speaker 4: just you know, egging on it kind of without like,
Speaker 4: you know, thinking about everything.
Speaker 2: It's an unhealthy way for him to air his hurt.
Speaker 2: But I will say this and it doesn't make his
Speaker 2: behavior better, But just you as a person, like obviously
Speaker 2: you're a good person. He saw that for over a
Speaker 2: year and I can tell you, Mariah, he did care
Speaker 2: and still does like he did genuinely care about you.
Speaker 2: That part wasn't fake, doesn't mean he wasn't toxic. I
Speaker 2: don't know all the things that happening now, but I
Speaker 2: can stand confidently he cared about you. So if there's
Speaker 2: any it doesn't make the pain or whatever how he's
Speaker 2: reacting better. But I do hope it you don't take
Speaker 2: it as a oh he never cared about me. It
Speaker 2: was all alive vibe like I hope you take away
Speaker 2: with like, yeah, he's being an ass right now, but
Speaker 2: it's actually because at least, well, no, he did care
Speaker 2: about me having this conversation.
Speaker 4: I do feel like that now. At first I thought
Speaker 4: maybe he didn't care, and I just.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I do trust me here that I
Speaker 2: was so.
Speaker 4: Upset and beating myself up for nothing like it.
Speaker 2: Made me feel yeah, nobody he cared. And honestly, I
Speaker 2: think that's why so many vets said something to you
Speaker 2: as well, because I think anyone who did interact with
Speaker 2: him or talk to him, I think got the sense
Speaker 2: of like, oh shit, he actually cared, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? And I feel like this isn't something he brushes.
Speaker 4: And I feel like from the text, because he you know,
Speaker 4: he's got me like a text first the first couple
Speaker 4: ones were obviously nice during the house, and then it
Speaker 4: turned yeah, yeah, then you know, it turned to a
Speaker 4: long message, and I just feel like in that message,
Speaker 4: like he thought that I didn't care and that's just
Speaker 4: completely untrue, Like I care about him, you know, like
Speaker 4: I don't. I obviously if I didn't care about him,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be so hard on myself about it. Like
Speaker 4: I don't want him to think I was in this
Speaker 4: house talking trash about him, because you'll never see a
Speaker 4: clip of me like saying like, oh, he's a piece
Speaker 4: of shit, he's an asshole. Yeah, like you just won't
Speaker 4: see that clip. You won't even I wish they well, no,
Speaker 4: I don't wish to show the chance, but I actually
Speaker 4: showed the chant of me not chanting. It's just so
Speaker 4: you know, it's like I'm not doing that. You know.
Speaker 2: The situation to.
Speaker 3: Me, sounds like a classic case of hurt people hurt people,
Speaker 3: and so that's what seems like is going on to me.
Speaker 3: I mean, once the dust settles, and it's harder for
Speaker 3: it to settle right now because both of your names
Speaker 3: are so public.
Speaker 2: Right and it's replaying in real life, like this season
Speaker 2: is not over so there's going to probably be more
Speaker 2: fodders you know, or whatever, like tweets and comments and
Speaker 2: until it airs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do believe that once the dust settles, because
Speaker 3: you know, like you guys are going to be big
Speaker 3: for now and then something else is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like Ryan, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And so when it gets to that point, right, when
Speaker 3: it gets to that point, I do believe you two
Speaker 3: could potentially have a conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want. I want to have a conversation, you know,
Speaker 4: like I feel like I'm just because you know, here's
Speaker 4: the gym in Florida. Now, I'm like hello, Like do
Speaker 4: I need to freaking pop up and be like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: I want to have I want to have it. Not now,
Speaker 5: but yes, yeah, I'm like, oh but no.
Speaker 4: I want to. I do want to have a conversation
Speaker 4: with him, and you know, like I just don't. The
Speaker 4: one main thing is I don't want him to think
Speaker 4: like I'm heartless, I didn't care or that nothing real,
Speaker 4: because you know, I think he does feel like that
Speaker 4: and that's just not true.
Speaker 2: And I think that would help heal both of you
Speaker 2: in the in the long run, So hopefully you guys
Speaker 2: will be able to like settle or at least come
Speaker 2: to a neutral place once probably this is done, airing
Speaker 2: the dust settles and all of that.
Speaker 4: I wich the best. I just think we weren't gonna
Speaker 4: work together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and it's better that you guys like
Speaker 2: move now to places that give you room for growth
Speaker 2: for those who want to follow you guys though, well,
Speaker 2: actually before you get your social because you said you
Speaker 2: had a very long list of notes, anything else on
Speaker 2: that list real quick?
Speaker 4: I feel like I did nail everything. Let's see, well
Speaker 4: I did, I do have you know, I do have
Speaker 4: one more thing to say, though, Okay, I did not like, Hey,
Speaker 4: this is I'm just very honest about what I feel
Speaker 4: because I really care, because I don't need to be
Speaker 4: friends with no one, Like I'm just gonna say what
Speaker 4: I feel and that's it. I did not like that
Speaker 4: in that scene because it really does bother me about
Speaker 4: Olivia saying she would never do that, and that that
Speaker 4: she that we were talking for you, she would never
Speaker 4: do that, like as my as my friend. We had
Speaker 4: conversations before that interview and she's like, don't worry, girl,
Speaker 4: I know and you know, she was with a Menuel
Speaker 4: who had a girlfriend and she knew that. And for
Speaker 4: her to say I would never do that, like you did.
Speaker 2: You did that well in talking down on you about
Speaker 2: the bananas thing, is that what you're.
Speaker 4: Think She would never she would never do something like that,
Speaker 4: and that's not how she operates. But then she gets
Speaker 4: with people's boyfriends like that's you know, like, please don't
Speaker 4: say you would never do something like that, because you do.
Speaker 2: You do it a lot, right, So it seems like
Speaker 2: she was sister wiving with Ray in the last week's episode.
Speaker 2: By the way, it seems like they had a sister
Speaker 2: wife thing going on. I don't know, Yes, yeah, that's that.
Speaker 4: Do they show and Raven or No?
Speaker 2: Whoa, I don't remember that?
Speaker 4: No? Okay, so that also okay, okay, let me just
Speaker 4: say okay ready. No. A big reason also why I
Speaker 4: was okay saying Kylan's name is, you know, Melissa literally
Speaker 4: is like, if Kyland flirts with anyone, you know, put
Speaker 4: him in blah blah blah. So I literally I even
Speaker 4: said him on my interviews. I'm like, I don't care too.
Speaker 4: This is for Melissa, because he was he was flirting
Speaker 4: with Raven in the house, trying to flirt with Olviya
Speaker 4: in the house. He as soon as Melissa left, like
Speaker 4: he was like he never met Melissa.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, was this before or after he did the
Speaker 2: shirt funeral thing when he was like lay my relationship
Speaker 2: to rest or whatever he said night.
Speaker 4: That she left, it started wow the night that shew
Speaker 4: the night that she left. Literally, Olivia is like, oh
Speaker 4: my god. Kyland was trying to say this or something,
Speaker 4: and then he was telling calling, oh, you look nice,
Speaker 4: and then he was with he was cuddling Raven and
Speaker 4: I even told him something. I'm like, do you think
Speaker 4: it's a little weird? And he's like yeah, he told me.
Speaker 4: He's like me and me and Melissa agreed, like you
Speaker 4: know that it was like, you know, we could do
Speaker 4: other things in the house, like it's not that serious,
Speaker 4: like we agree to that.
Speaker 2: But I don't think a lot of swapping going on.
Speaker 4: I don't think that she agreed to that, Like I
Speaker 4: just don't know. So I kind of looked at him.
Speaker 4: There's like one time where I was sitting with James
Speaker 4: and Raven came in the room with Kylin and Kyln
Speaker 4: looked at me. He's like I'm not doing anything Maria
Speaker 4: because he knew that I was giving the eye right.
Speaker 2: But wait, wasn't Raven going after Iman? Well, also because
Speaker 2: we see her cuddling with him. They do the night
Speaker 2: vision camerayah, proof again that good reality TV shows nothing
Speaker 2: literally nothing is off limits. They do the night vision
Speaker 2: camera and it's Olivia on one side, Raven on the other,
Speaker 2: even while in the middle, and they're like, it's like
Speaker 2: movie night or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know about that. Like that's why I say
Speaker 4: I think that Rage is very unseerious. But I actually
Speaker 4: kind of I kind of like that she's so unseerious
Speaker 4: because she has no stress, you know, like Raymond is
Speaker 4: very funny. Like she's so unseerious. Don't that the whole
Speaker 4: her and I remember that movie and we kind of
Speaker 4: all were like, okay, the double cuddle session, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: there was definitely there was definitely beef with Olivia and Raven.
Speaker 2: Right, oh really over over a Manuel?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did they know that he hiked up with Colleen?
Speaker 4: Actually no, oh my god, none of us knew about
Speaker 4: Colleen none, Like, but that's what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, Like she's a good secret key.
Speaker 4: No, Well, she literally like we would say all in
Speaker 4: the house. We'd be like, oh my god, Colleen's like
Speaker 4: the we because we would we would call her the
Speaker 4: mole because she would pop up and we wouldn't know
Speaker 4: she's there. Like she would literally just pop up, you know,
Speaker 4: like she would just not whack them. Literally she would
Speaker 4: walk through conversations and we'd be like hey, you know,
Speaker 4: like it was just it was pretty hard to talk
Speaker 4: to Colleen, like you know, like maybe you know later
Speaker 4: on in the season things are different, but like as
Speaker 4: of now, like when I would try to have a
Speaker 4: conversation with her, I was like, bro, I don't know
Speaker 4: how that this conversation I'm leaveing because it was just
Speaker 4: was nothing. There was just how are you good? Are
Speaker 4: you good? Are you excited? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like it was very like oh interesting. She was just
Speaker 2: like absorbing information. It sounds like like she was just
Speaker 2: like taking it.
Speaker 4: It's just like there's nothing, like there's no the conversation
Speaker 4: was like no depth, Like it just was very boring
Speaker 4: and like I just didn't want to have the conversation,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: I tried.
Speaker 4: I tried a few times because I was like, am
Speaker 4: I being like a jerk? Like am I being wrong?
Speaker 4: Like maybe I should get to know her, and I
Speaker 4: tried to get to know her, and then I just
Speaker 4: didn't want to. Yeah, we didn't know. There was so
Speaker 4: much going on in this We had no idea about
Speaker 4: I'm in long Colleen. And then I think that Raven honestly,
Speaker 4: Raven didn't know there was beef with Olivia.
Speaker 2: Oh so it's one sided. So Olivia had beef with Raven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Raven was. That's why I say she's unseerious, Like, dude,
Speaker 4: when I say that, I mean it like she didn't.
Speaker 4: I don't think she even knew about this beef. There's
Speaker 4: a time where I'm like, listen, I think that you
Speaker 4: guys should talk because this is like this is not
Speaker 4: a real like there should be nothing going on right now,
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, it was like That's why I say, like,
Speaker 4: Raven things unintentionally, like she doesn't mean anything by it,
Speaker 4: and it's truly it's true. So there's just a one
Speaker 4: sided beef that was very Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was one entertaining, sounds interesting, it was also entertaining.
Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you so much, Mariah, and for
Speaker 2: those who want to follow you and your entertaining this
Speaker 2: on social media. Where can they find you on the socials?
Speaker 4: Mariah Jade?
Speaker 2: A cool? Is that on Instagram?
Speaker 4: TikTok, It's on everything? Yeah, my last name is not Cha,
Speaker 4: like everyone's like Maria and Ja. No, no, Mariah Jade.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you because I was one of those people
Speaker 2: everyone got your last.
Speaker 4: My last name is Andrew Chowski, which is like polish
Speaker 4: as hell.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that. That on my bingo
Speaker 2: card that was not I never would have guessed. I
Speaker 2: know I never would guess that. Well, thank you, Mariah
Speaker 2: j Do you feel better now coming on the podcast?
Speaker 2: I know you had a lot you want to get
Speaker 2: off the chest. I know your guard was up a
Speaker 2: little bit in the beginning. You may have felt like
Speaker 2: you're going against the firing scot. Thank you for being
Speaker 2: brave like day day. So do you feel better now?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I feel I feel good. I just you know,
Speaker 4: I always want to clarify how I feel, and you know,
Speaker 4: I wish I wish the best for you know, everyone
Speaker 4: I have. I really have no beef with anyone. I
Speaker 4: you know, I could say how I feel, but it's
Speaker 4: not important enough to have beef with.
Speaker 2: So appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 4: Thanks for not attacking me, and of course I want
Speaker 4: you to feel like cool.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, thank you bye woo. That was one
Speaker 2: for the book she came with all her notes. I
Speaker 2: also like that one of her notes included talk to
Speaker 2: Devin about the podcast. Watch this podcast get brought up
Speaker 2: in the re union. Sure I'm not bad about it,
Speaker 2: but I feel like, one hundred percent it will. That
Speaker 2: was such a good interview though, and I really appreciated
Speaker 2: getting to hear her side of things and just like
Speaker 2: get to know her a little bit better.
Speaker 3: What do you think, day, I think it was a
Speaker 3: great opportunity for her to tell her side of the story,
Speaker 3: which I had been begging for for her to come
Speaker 3: on here and tell her side of the story. And
Speaker 3: so yeah, hopefully it'll give the listeners and us a
Speaker 3: little more clarity and understanding.
Speaker 1: You know.
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