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Speaker 2: Gulieremo Katie, Katie loves he g Olalla Yes yo.
Speaker 1: Recently I started watching a bunch of Elvis movies. I've
Speaker 1: seen them before, but not all of them, but there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of them on one of the streaming networks
Speaker 1: and I love them so much.
Speaker 3: What have you seen the most latest, Austin Butler? Elvia?
Speaker 3: Is it amazing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I really really liked it. He's really good. He doesn't
Speaker 1: look like Elvis at all in my opinion, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because he has like his essence. He's really
Speaker 1: fucking good.
Speaker 3: Wow, so good. I have not seen it. I should
Speaker 3: watch that. Yeah, bad actor.
Speaker 1: Yo, Katie. Isn't it funny when you're I remember being
Speaker 1: in college and being, you know, whatever age you are,
Speaker 1: when you're like second year of college, I was, I
Speaker 1: don no, twenty twenty one, I don't fucking know. But
Speaker 1: there was a girl in one of my acting classes.
Speaker 1: And I went to a business school, but of course
Speaker 1: I took like the three like acting classes that there
Speaker 1: were in the school, and there was a girl in
Speaker 1: my class that was like thirty two, and I remember
Speaker 1: all of us being like, yo, she's thirty two. We
Speaker 1: were flabbergasted that she was in her.
Speaker 3: Thirties and this person we never met, but.
Speaker 1: I remember all of us being like, it was like
Speaker 1: the school. It was like this drama.
Speaker 3: People were like, oh my god, he was thirty creature doing.
Speaker 1: Here, and we love her. We loved her. But of
Speaker 1: course now I'm fifty two and I'm like, hey, you
Speaker 1: know that's two so young? What? Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, wait, in business school? Did you take business classes?
Speaker 1: I took some. I went to Baroque College, which is
Speaker 1: the college that Jaylo went to. Yes, it's on like
Speaker 1: twenty third in Lexington. I knew I wanted to be
Speaker 1: an actor, but I wanted to go to have something
Speaker 1: to fall back on, get a degree in business, just
Speaker 1: to have something to fall back and my two older
Speaker 1: brothers went there.
Speaker 3: I cannot imagine you running, like doing a regular life job.
Speaker 1: Can you fucking imagine my dumb ass trying to do
Speaker 1: somebody's fucking taxes or some bullshit that has to do
Speaker 1: with money or something that's not artistic?
Speaker 3: Noumb you're incredibly smart.
Speaker 1: Well listen, I can be dumb sometimes, I like not,
Speaker 1: that's so not my brain. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3: We're not traditional like that, like you can't do a
Speaker 3: job like that, Like that is not Oh so both
Speaker 3: your brothers went to Baruch, so you were like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'll just do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. But luckily, you know, at the second year,
Speaker 1: like the middle of the second year, I got an
Speaker 1: agent and I started booking, and I was like, see
Speaker 1: you peaking was out of there, peace out.
Speaker 3: You must have come into Baruk and they must have
Speaker 3: been like, wow, give this dude.
Speaker 1: All the leads yep, Like they were like this motherfucker
Speaker 1: could act. All those business majors were terrible actors. So
Speaker 1: my scrawny ass was like I could do it, and
Speaker 1: they were like they're amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't imagine. I'm just like dying
Speaker 3: over the image of you, like having a sliding doors life,
Speaker 3: where like you didn't get an agent and you graduated
Speaker 3: book and you're in like some already shitted suit and
Speaker 3: you can't wear all your shirts and your leather suspenders
Speaker 3: and you have to like report to an office and
Speaker 3: like do taxes or something like what would you.
Speaker 1: Have done that is disgusting. I would never. I would never.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't have survived. I little Giermo Diaz going to
Speaker 3: Beru colleges. This is the greatest thing in the entire world.
Speaker 3: To make it crazy like it would have, I can't.
Speaker 3: You were not meant to do that.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't change it for the world. You know. It
Speaker 1: was such a great experience. And I met so many
Speaker 1: There was a professor, there, a names.
Speaker 3: You met that thirty two year old old hag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that old hag.
Speaker 3: Wow. Today's episode is two sixteen. We are nearing the
Speaker 3: like we are in the final third of the second
Speaker 3: season where shit gets ramped up and fucking crazy. This
Speaker 3: episode is called Top of the Hour and it aired
Speaker 3: on March twenty first of twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: And it was written by Heather Mitchell and directed by
Speaker 1: Steve Robin. Check it out. Okay, March twenty first is
Speaker 1: the day before my birthday.
Speaker 3: Continue, Oh, the best day in the world, the day
Speaker 3: that we all, we all need to be celebrating.
Speaker 1: March first.
Speaker 3: Second guest starring Scott Foley as Jake Bellard, Sharmila Devar
Speaker 3: as Lauren Wellman, Kurt Fuller as great In Osborne, Samantha
Speaker 3: slow And as Janine Locke, Alexander Greer as Patrick White,
Speaker 3: house staffer, Denorka Wildcott as reporter.
Speaker 1: Carol Reesrios as reporter, Peter J. Jackson as news anchor,
Speaker 1: Lisa Edelstein as Sarah Stanner love her. J. Carnes as
Speaker 1: Phil Stanner.
Speaker 3: This is a beautiful name, and it's saida.
Speaker 1: Eureka as Samantha Wells. I hope I did not butcher
Speaker 1: her name.
Speaker 3: Who is Samantha Wells in it?
Speaker 1: Who the fuck knows?
Speaker 3: I don't you remember who Samantha Wells was?
Speaker 1: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna get into it, so will so.
Speaker 1: Samantha Wells was the secretary that is seats is seated
Speaker 1: outside of Fitz's office, where Melly is like, tell me
Speaker 1: we all his meetings, please? Oh god, damn it. I
Speaker 1: fucked up. You're right, that's.
Speaker 3: Lauren Lauren Wellman, who is the who is the secretary
Speaker 3: who's in charge of Fitz's schedule?
Speaker 1: And right, yes, sorry, I apologize, guys, says a real
Speaker 1: doozy of an episode.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a classic. We've got a case of
Speaker 3: the Week, and we've got a lot of b storyline
Speaker 3: going on in the White House Synopsis. Olivia and her
Speaker 3: OPA team find themselves once more in the middle of
Speaker 3: a media firestorm. This time they go to head to
Speaker 3: head with the White House after their new client, high
Speaker 3: powered CEO Sarah Stanner, is accused of having an affair
Speaker 3: with President Fitz's nominee for the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: Olivia delivers a hot tip to Jake Ballard as their
Speaker 1: flirtations continue. In pursuit of the White House, mole Huck
Speaker 1: teaches Quinn how to be a professional stalker with mixed results.
Speaker 1: Me Yeah, hey, wait a minute. Meanwhile, Cyrus and Mellie
Speaker 1: battle for the President's attention, and Abby confronts Harrison over
Speaker 1: his role in her and David Rosen's breakup. Whoa wow?
Speaker 3: Okay, So to Jog y'all's memory. Lisa Edelstein portrays the
Speaker 3: case of the week, Sarah Stanner, and she's fucking unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Her acting is ridiculous. She's so good, it's amazing, Like
Speaker 3: she plays this high powered female ceo. They have two kids,
Speaker 3: this like sort of perfect life, a lovely house and
Speaker 3: then her daughter. They're like setting up dinner at the
Speaker 3: beginning of the episode and You're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: what a lovely family. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it's like ding dog and then a little daughter goes
Speaker 3: to run pizza, and the little daughter runs to the
Speaker 3: front door, and it's like ooh.
Speaker 1: And it's like all these reporters and right outside the door.
Speaker 3: Clashing bulbs and your your mother, you know, like do
Speaker 3: we want to talk to Sarah Stanza. She's been having
Speaker 3: an affair with the Supreme Court nominee. And what we
Speaker 3: learn is the case of the week is that Fitz's
Speaker 3: Supreme Court nominee was having an affair we think with
Speaker 3: Lisa Aiedelstein's character a million years ago, but it turns
Speaker 3: out what we learn is that affair was like going
Speaker 3: on for like a way.
Speaker 1: Much longer, much much longer.
Speaker 3: She was almost even kind of in love with them.
Speaker 3: Her husband puts it together like is our daughter even mine?
Speaker 3: Am I the father? Anyway, their performance is amazing, and
Speaker 3: so it's sort of like the White House going head
Speaker 3: to head with Opa because we rep Lisa Aiedelstein's character
Speaker 3: and the White House is trying to protect the Supreme
Speaker 3: Court nominee, and so they're tearing Lisa Aidelstein's character apart
Speaker 3: in the press, like showing all these pictures of her
Speaker 3: in college, like she was like a slut, and like
Speaker 3: releasing emails where she was like basically supposedly like begging
Speaker 3: him to have sex with her.
Speaker 1: And of course, and Cyrus is like, wtf, Olivia, what
Speaker 1: the hell are you doing? Leave this alone? And she's like, nope,
Speaker 1: I'm this this is my client. Too bad, And I
Speaker 1: love what she delivers. One of my favorite lines where
Speaker 1: she tells Cyrus take a breath, Cyrus, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be responsible for a heart attack, Like you're going
Speaker 1: to have a heart attack. Because Cyrus is losing his
Speaker 1: shit over this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, such foreshadowing, because Cyrus does have a heart attack
Speaker 3: at some point. I can't remember what season that is.
Speaker 3: Definitely has a heart attack.
Speaker 1: And some times.
Speaker 3: We will be back with more after the break. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's consult on notes. Let me look at the notes
Speaker 3: of like my favorite best scenes and all this shit.
Speaker 1: There's so many in this one, so many I.
Speaker 3: Know, they're so great, and there's a lot of oh,
Speaker 3: oh god, I just had a really big flashback. Okay,
Speaker 3: we'll get there to Okay, Olivia brings information on the kidnapped.
Speaker 3: Are they army people who are kidnapped?
Speaker 1: Who's I believe they're military folks.
Speaker 3: The military folk have been kidnapped. And Fits is trying
Speaker 3: to figure out. But there's a mole and Jake Is
Speaker 3: and Olivia are like flirtatious as all hell. Olivia goes
Speaker 3: to visit Jake at his office and we see some
Speaker 3: adorable photo of like with him and a camel getting
Speaker 3: looked in the face and Jake in his like hot
Speaker 3: sexy uniform and all that kind of thing. Melly doesn't understand,
Speaker 3: like what the fuck is going on? She sees that
Speaker 3: in Fits his schedule, three meetings a week are going
Speaker 3: on late at night, and she goes to Cyrus and
Speaker 3: is like, your boys cheating on us? I know. She's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: forgive me. Are boys cheating on you? He's meeting with
Speaker 3: someone three nights a week and I don't know who
Speaker 3: it is, and Cyrus, you don't know who it is?
Speaker 3: And Cyrus is supposed to know everything about us, what
Speaker 3: the president is doing?
Speaker 1: Yes, what else?
Speaker 3: G what are Oh? There's so much good Quinn.
Speaker 1: Hawks, so much good stuff.
Speaker 3: Really like the beginning of Quinn. It's a lot of
Speaker 3: Quinn Hawk shit, Like you know what I remember, g yeah,
Speaker 3: can you remember any of it?
Speaker 1: You know what I remember from about this episode is
Speaker 1: how much I enjoyed shooting it, because whenever we were
Speaker 1: on location, it was just fun. We were out out
Speaker 1: of you know, the studios. We weren't in the OPA office,
Speaker 1: which was you know, that was fun too, of course,
Speaker 1: but when we got to go outside and be like
Speaker 1: in downtown La or in Pasadena, and the fact that
Speaker 1: it was just you, me and you shooting this episode,
Speaker 1: like I think it was pretty much you and I
Speaker 1: together this whole episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the whole work. We're following.
Speaker 1: We're following the mole, the White House.
Speaker 3: Mole who's great in Osbourne, played by Kurt Fuller, and
Speaker 3: and you're not really helping, like you're saying, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: well he's going to make the drop in plane daylight,
Speaker 3: and so I'm like following him around and we stop
Speaker 3: at a dry cleaners, and you're letting Quinn do the
Speaker 3: whole stalking work. But Quinn like keeps fucking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wants he to get her feet, he wants
Speaker 1: her to get her feet wet and just you know,
Speaker 1: get in there, really dive in and experience what it's like.
Speaker 3: And so she waits, my love it. She waits behind
Speaker 3: Grade and Fuller in the line for the cleaners, and
Speaker 3: she's like, holy shit, I feel like he's making the drop.
Speaker 3: There's like sketchy shit going on. And they're like, okay,
Speaker 3: next customer, what would you like to drop off for
Speaker 3: your dry cleaning? And Quinn's like ugh, and she just
Speaker 3: gives her her shirt off of her back.
Speaker 1: The next shot we see it's just you in a.
Speaker 3: Bra, just made a bra. And I'm like walking to
Speaker 3: the car, like so mortified and embarrassed and made such
Speaker 3: a rookie ass mistakes.
Speaker 1: Isn't like, see you weren't prepared. You should have been
Speaker 1: prepared or something like that. How did you feel shooting
Speaker 1: that shooting that scene?
Speaker 3: Were you like, well, I remember so stupid. I remember
Speaker 3: being so wildly insecure because I was like fitting with
Speaker 3: Lynn Paolow, like what I would be wearing the.
Speaker 1: Yeah and my.
Speaker 3: Boobs and like how high up were they? How low
Speaker 3: were they? And I just remember being like, ugh, being
Speaker 3: a girl is so stupid. Like it was just like
Speaker 3: very like I felt a little bit. I can remember
Speaker 3: feeling insecure about my like chest or what it looked like.
Speaker 3: I can remember that feeling.
Speaker 1: Of course, I wish we were all able to Like now,
Speaker 1: looking at these episodes that we shot so long ago,
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, you look pretty good, gear, Imo, you
Speaker 1: look like but in the moment, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: we're all so overly critical about our look looks or
Speaker 1: our weight or whatever. And then years passed and you're like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, motherfucker. You look. Why didn't I enjoy
Speaker 1: myself a lot more when I was in that time,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Macket photos all the time before I had two kids,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, why was I upset?
Speaker 1: Like? Yes, it was.
Speaker 3: My body was great, nice, I had nothing to worry about, Like,
Speaker 3: I can't believe I was so much harder on myself
Speaker 3: than It's so weird.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what else I remember from this episode? Also,
Speaker 1: Katie is is again being on location and shooting, you know,
Speaker 1: outside of the studio. But also I remember always being like, oh,
Speaker 1: what food places will be around here that I can
Speaker 1: go to when we break for lunch instead of having
Speaker 1: the catered lunch. Is there a good pizza shop? Is
Speaker 1: there like a McDonald there a good.
Speaker 3: Burger place, So you are ridiculous of you. Wait, were
Speaker 3: we in Pasadena for the dry cleaning?
Speaker 1: Maybe? I think it was Pasadena. I want to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like I was it too.
Speaker 3: That's so fun And you're just scoping out, like, oh,
Speaker 3: what lunch spot? Am I going to go pick up
Speaker 3: my ship? Like and all you can eat buffet?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, there's nothing better than a fucking all you
Speaker 1: can eat bffet. There's one up here near where I live,
Speaker 1: at a hotel near Universal Studios. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: to it? No, it's right up the hill, like right
Speaker 1: past the entrance to go with you. What do you
Speaker 1: get everything, Katie? They got crab legs, they got oysters,
Speaker 1: they got Chinese food, they have creams, they have water addict.
Speaker 3: They have Mexicans like twenty four to seven, all of
Speaker 3: these options or like this comes out at five.
Speaker 1: It's only on the weekends. You have to make reservations
Speaker 1: like two weeks in advance because it's super popular and
Speaker 1: it gets super packed. It costs like seventy five bucks ahead,
Speaker 1: but it is so worth it, and you could get
Speaker 1: Bloody Mary's or whatever liquor you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything it was very cute. And then quinnin Hawk,
Speaker 3: she does pick up the dry cleaning and she checks
Speaker 3: his suit pocket and in fact there is a big,
Speaker 3: thick envelope filled with cash, and so they feel like
Speaker 3: it is the confirmation that he is the mole. There's
Speaker 3: money being exchanged for information. This guy is guilty, and
Speaker 3: we're like super on the trail. But now I have
Speaker 3: to like have this little monologue where I have to
Speaker 3: make sure he doesn't know that we're onto him, so
Speaker 3: I have to return the dry cleaning.
Speaker 1: Which you're so good in that scene. You're so good.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I'm such a dummy, Like I picked
Speaker 1: up my husband's dry cleaning, but I should. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be ready till Saturday. And oh, you're so good.
Speaker 1: It's such it's such a fun cute little scene.
Speaker 3: Gee, Okay, we see that Fits and Olivia, who have
Speaker 3: been on the outs for many an episode that Fits
Speaker 3: calls Olivia because he's so fucking pissed about the Supreme
Speaker 3: Court nominee not going through, and it's basically he just
Speaker 3: feels like his entire presidency thus far has been a
Speaker 3: total shit show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a joke.
Speaker 3: It's just been awful, Like it's an embarrassment. They've gotten
Speaker 3: like nothing successful to pass through. They don't have the
Speaker 3: rest like the people who've been kidnapped, they don't have that.
Speaker 3: They have had a Supreme Court nominee. Like it's a
Speaker 3: total mess. And he calls Olivia and I feel like
Speaker 3: he's drunk, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's drinking his whiskey. Yeah, he's buzzed for show.
Speaker 3: And while they're calling, Live is watching Lisa Aiedelstein and
Speaker 3: her character's husband like fighting through the window of their
Speaker 3: house and you can just see like how broken both
Speaker 3: of these relationships are, and liv just says like or
Speaker 3: he says, you ruined me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then she's like he says something else
Speaker 1: to her, and then she says, I'm going to hang up,
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, you do that, and then he
Speaker 1: hangs out before her.
Speaker 3: Oh so mean. He's so like, I don't give a
Speaker 3: fuck about it, and he's so upset obviously, just to
Speaker 3: remind listeners out there, he's so upset because he knows
Speaker 3: that Live rigged the election. Yea, he knows that he's
Speaker 3: not the president that people voted for. And how do
Speaker 3: you live with yourself knowing that everyone you trusted betrayed you,
Speaker 3: and the country that you're supposed to run you didn't
Speaker 3: win fair and square.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I love in this episode to that the
Speaker 1: what's happening with.
Speaker 3: Uh, Lisa's character and her yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Her husband is sort of mirroring, you know, the strife
Speaker 1: that Olivia and Fits are going through. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: really nice, and it's throughout the episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, throughout the episode. The two relationships are totally parallel
Speaker 3: mirrors to each other.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Yes.
Speaker 3: And then Lisa has the most incredible monologue after this
Speaker 3: phone call between Fits and Lives. She goes in and
Speaker 3: Lisa's just like sitting at the table by herself. Her
Speaker 3: husband has requested a praternity test to know if the
Speaker 3: daughter is his legitimate daughter, and Lisa is just fucking
Speaker 3: drinking wine out of the bottom of the bottle.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, And she breaks out another bottle
Speaker 1: and she's like, Olivia, you're gonna drink with me? And
Speaker 1: Livy's like, no, I can, I'm on the job. And
Speaker 1: She's like, girl, you are gonna drink with me?
Speaker 3: Yes, And it's such a great monologue, and Lisa's just
Speaker 3: so pro level it like looking like she's holding back tears,
Speaker 3: Like how do her eyes do that?
Speaker 1: They was weld up the whole time.
Speaker 3: Huge blue eyes that are perfect. That just the well
Speaker 3: up and not the release. And I so appreciate that
Speaker 3: skill set as an actor. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: it looks like she's on the verge of crying, but
Speaker 3: she's holding herself back and it's taking all of her
Speaker 3: guts to hold herself back. It's so good.
Speaker 1: This actresses is, I mean a pro. She She's been
Speaker 1: in so much shit. Look, she's been in Seinfeld, La
Speaker 1: law Er, Frasier, Homegirl, was in the movie The Doors.
Speaker 1: She had a really small role in the Doors, which
Speaker 1: is really memorable. She plays like the makeup artist to
Speaker 1: uh to nol Kilmer. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's a stellar actor.
Speaker 3: And also this huge she's a huge theater actor. Huge yeah,
Speaker 3: huge New York theater actor. And then she had this
Speaker 3: show Girlfriend's Guide to Divorce. Oh I Got, which she's
Speaker 3: not like, right after Scandal, which she was the lead of.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, didn't Adelstein husband show or her ex husband?
Speaker 3: I think the one she divorces.
Speaker 1: The actor that plays her husband. His name is Jay
Speaker 1: Carnes and he's amazing too. He was on the Shield
Speaker 1: for forever. He did eighty nine episodes of the Shield,
Speaker 1: and I did an episode of the Shield called Blood
Speaker 1: and Water. So I got to work with him like
Speaker 1: years ago when I first moved to La Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's wonderful. And he was also when I was, you know,
Speaker 1: doing my research, he was in a movie with Madonna.
Speaker 3: Yes, movie of Madonna's was he.
Speaker 1: Called the Next Best Thing, which was the biggest piece.
Speaker 1: And shit, it's a the worst movie. Madonna's in it
Speaker 1: and the lead. She's the lead, she's one of the leads.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a terrible movie. But I thought it
Speaker 1: was so funny and so interesting that Jake Carnes is
Speaker 1: was in that film with her.
Speaker 3: Can we take a strong left turn at how amazing
Speaker 3: Madonna was in a league of their own?
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's one of my favorite movie.
Speaker 3: I mean, she was astounding.
Speaker 1: She really was. She really was.
Speaker 3: Joy and gravitas and dancing and ball busting and her
Speaker 3: and roso' donald. I could watch the two of those
Speaker 3: women do their side banter yea for hours, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they were remarkable.
Speaker 1: They became really close friends on that film they did. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're still really really close friends to this day.
Speaker 3: Oh and we know this because Madonna's your best friend.
Speaker 1: Well, Adire, tell us something we don't know.
Speaker 3: We were singing Rose o' donald's praises so much this
Speaker 3: weekend because when you look, we like to this is
Speaker 3: so lame. We like to go on YouTube and watch
Speaker 3: when Broadway shows used to go on The roso' donald
Speaker 3: show and perform it, and we show them to our kids,
Speaker 3: like our kids really into the Lion King, and it's like,
Speaker 3: if you want to see the Lion King from Broadway
Speaker 3: perform two songs, usually it's from the o'donald's Show and
Speaker 3: like all the musicals of that time. And Adam was like,
Speaker 3: my god, Rosie was just such a Broadway a supporter
Speaker 3: supporter that she always had every show on her show.
Speaker 3: And it's like the only footage we have, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I Adam's like, just fucking bow down to Rosie o'donnald.
Speaker 3: Like if we didn't have her in the Rosio o'donald Show,
Speaker 3: we wouldn't have any of these recordings.
Speaker 1: Well you know what I mean. But you know what,
Speaker 1: no one else was doing that on television much less
Speaker 1: daytime television, and and I think she she spiked ticket
Speaker 1: sales to a lot of these shows because people would
Speaker 1: see these performances and be like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: have to go see that. I remember when Edwig and
Speaker 1: the Angry Inch first came out, she had John Cameron
Speaker 1: Mitchell and the Angry Inch on and they did they
Speaker 1: did a song our Engine Origin of Love, I think
Speaker 1: they did, and it was Yeah, she did this for
Speaker 1: so so many shows.
Speaker 3: She's amazing. That was so amazing. I saw a musical
Speaker 3: when I was studying abroad in London. I was studying
Speaker 3: in the Hill Academy of Dramatic as she was produced
Speaker 3: sing a musical about boy George called Taboo.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, Yeah. I was on Broadway for a short time.
Speaker 3: And she transferred it to Broadway and it did not
Speaker 3: It did unbelievable in England, Like it was one of
Speaker 3: those ones that I think Brits felt such a connection
Speaker 3: to boy George, like they're you know, they had they
Speaker 3: love him. And I don't think it. I don't think
Speaker 3: American Broadway audiences really connect to boy George. But I
Speaker 3: saw it in England when I was there, and I
Speaker 3: loved it and Bramma Rosie o'donald from making a stamp
Speaker 3: trying to bring it to America.
Speaker 1: I met Rosie O'Donnell when I went to New York
Speaker 1: years ago when when fucking Hillary Clinton was running for
Speaker 1: president and I was invited to go and do an
Speaker 1: introduction at one of the events where Hillary Clinton was
Speaker 1: going to be in it. And I was there and
Speaker 1: Rosie O'Donnell was there and I met Rosie and she
Speaker 1: was so so kind, so cool when she was a
Speaker 1: big fan of Scandal. Talked about Scandal.
Speaker 3: And Rosie O'Donnell come on on the show.
Speaker 1: I bet she would come on. I bet she love you.
Speaker 3: We love you, we really do, come on this podcast.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Lisa Edelstein and Carrie Washington are sitting drinking
Speaker 3: wine out of their bottles and they're lonely. That's what
Speaker 3: I wrote in my notes. It's like this is so
Speaker 3: lonely that betrayal really has a price, and that's where
Speaker 3: this episode is mirroring. It's like Lisa betrayed her husband
Speaker 3: by cheating on him, and Olivia betrayed fits by rigging
Speaker 3: the election, and they are so sort of left alone
Speaker 3: with their betrayal, and it's like all they have and
Speaker 3: their wine.
Speaker 1: I love I love that. Olivia is like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: betrayed him, but also at the moment, you did the
Speaker 1: best you could, You did the best you knew how
Speaker 1: you know? And she she's also I think she's trying
Speaker 1: to Olivia is obviously trying to heal herself with her
Speaker 1: own words as well. But yeah, yeaheah, super powerful.
Speaker 3: We've got a paternity test that we're waiting on, and
Speaker 3: then we moved to Fits is actually rating kosh Vhar
Speaker 3: with the Seal team, and he gets the hostages thanks
Speaker 3: to the Jake intel that Olivia delivered to him, and
Speaker 3: Fits makes the weirdest arm pos.
Speaker 1: Did you notice, oh when he's like happy that they that.
Speaker 3: They make like the fight power like or the what's
Speaker 3: that term?
Speaker 1: Like, oh, like this one the sort of fist up
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 3: Makes that sort of like it's like a perfect ninety
Speaker 3: degree fist in the air. It's very odd, like.
Speaker 1: A ninety degree Fits. Yo. I was gonna ask you, Katie.
Speaker 1: So Olivia provides this this information to Jake to give
Speaker 1: to Fits. Did she do that because she felt bad?
Speaker 1: For everything she's done because of the the rigging the
Speaker 1: election and all of that. I don't remember how that
Speaker 1: happened or why why she's giving Jake this information to
Speaker 1: give to the White House, right, I think that was
Speaker 1: part of it.
Speaker 3: I think they she did. She get the information because
Speaker 3: it was on that girl's computer who died next to
Speaker 3: David Rosen.
Speaker 1: Oh right, right right. They talk about that.
Speaker 3: It's something the episode the Mole or something was some
Speaker 3: of the information that was on the girl who was
Speaker 3: murdered next to David Rosen's computer because she was sleeping
Speaker 3: with all these dudes to get information, so she had
Speaker 3: some intel on that, and I feel like it's from
Speaker 3: that computer. I don't know why Olivia gives it to Jake, though,
Speaker 3: I guess, oh, it has to be because she is
Speaker 3: still wanting fits to be successful as a president, like
Speaker 3: she still like feels so bad, but like he is
Speaker 3: still the president and she's like, fuck if I just
Speaker 3: give this give out this information to save hostages, but
Speaker 3: also it's going to give his presidential you know run,
Speaker 3: such a such a bump and such a huge success,
Speaker 3: like yeah, you know, remember it's like when Obama got
Speaker 3: Osama bin Laden I mean, it was like a huge,
Speaker 3: huge moment. But anyway, I think that's why I wonder
Speaker 3: if this is based on that. Actually, I remember when
Speaker 3: we went to the White House to visit during one
Speaker 3: of the White House Correspondent dinners, and when you take
Speaker 3: a tour of the West Wing, the president I think
Speaker 3: is allowed to like change all the amazing black and
Speaker 3: white photos of their presidency that are featured in the
Speaker 3: hallways that you're walking up and down, and they have
Speaker 3: that huge famous photo of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton
Speaker 3: with her hands over.
Speaker 1: Her mouth in that situation room, but in the situation.
Speaker 3: Room right when they were about to find out if
Speaker 3: they got Osama bin Laden.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I don't remember that.
Speaker 3: I remember Hillary Clinton got flack for like what she
Speaker 3: looked like in that moment because people thought she was
Speaker 3: like emotional.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck you, flack for everything. So this was
Speaker 1: definitely an ego boost for Fits when this he.
Speaker 3: Got finally gets a win, He finally finally gets a win.
Speaker 3: And then Jake I wrote, beats the shit out of
Speaker 3: a pop a razzi who got a pick of him
Speaker 3: and live uh huh uh huh. So when Olivia's passing Jake,
Speaker 3: this intel and this information. It's there's a paparazzi who's
Speaker 3: trying to get pictures of Lisa Edelstein's character and he
Speaker 3: manages to get a picture of Live and Jake and
Speaker 3: lives like it's fine whatever, but we also like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: Jake is fucked because fits can't know that Jake and
Speaker 3: Live were sort of like working together. Jake's playing all
Speaker 3: sides because he's shady, he is, and.
Speaker 1: Then there's this great scene where Jake goes and beats
Speaker 1: up this photographer to get the film. I was wondering
Speaker 1: that Jake, did Scott do that stunt? Did he do
Speaker 1: the beat up? Because because Jake is wearing a ski mask,
Speaker 1: so it could have been a stunt guy. But I
Speaker 1: don't remember if if Scott did it or if it
Speaker 1: was a stunt guy.
Speaker 3: I feel like it was Scott.
Speaker 1: But we'll ask Scott when he comes on the list,
Speaker 1: well put on the list of things.
Speaker 3: Like that Folly comes back. We got shit to ask him. Now.
Speaker 3: The lovely part of this is Harrison and Abby working together.
Speaker 3: They have an amazing like Gladiator. Oh this line that
Speaker 3: became famous, which was like Abby saying Harrison, it feels
Speaker 3: really bad that he broke up her relationship with David Rosa,
Speaker 3: because they really did have feelings for each other. And
Speaker 3: Abby's like totally nonchalantly throwing it all away and being like, whatever,
Speaker 3: it's fine. I just didn't know that we were gladiators
Speaker 3: first and people second.
Speaker 1: I love that she was so cold in this scene,
Speaker 1: and you could sense Harrison's desperation to try to get
Speaker 1: through to her to be like, hey, look what about
Speaker 1: our connection? And I love another line that he says
Speaker 1: to her. He says, you're exactly the same but completely different,
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, it's fine. I'm just now, I'm
Speaker 1: just aware of how this is going to work and
Speaker 1: moving forward. I'm you know, this is what I'm prepared
Speaker 1: for now. And he's like, ah, you could just feel
Speaker 1: his like, oh, is just feeling so bad and he
Speaker 1: just wants her back.
Speaker 3: And the whole time, they don't know if they're going
Speaker 3: to be able to save Lisa Aidelstein's marriage, but they're
Speaker 3: working their ass off to try to save her job,
Speaker 3: which is under scrutiny from the morality clause because they
Speaker 3: don't know if the CEO could have such a public
Speaker 3: affair and Harrison and Abbey go into a board meeting
Speaker 3: with an empty box and they put on this whole
Speaker 3: show like they've got dirt on all the board members
Speaker 3: and they're gonna start airing it out. And they've got
Speaker 3: to the count of three to decide if everyone's going
Speaker 3: to just put their dicks out on the.
Speaker 1: Table naked together. Yeah, all right, we're all gonna get
Speaker 1: naked together together. This is one of my favorite favorite scenes.
Speaker 1: It is so good. It's such a great like revenge scene,
Speaker 1: not revenge, but like it's such a satisfying scene.
Speaker 3: Because all these are taking these.
Speaker 1: Douchebags, all these white dudes are just sitting around being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she fucked up. There's a morality clause and you know,
Speaker 1: Abby and Harrison come in and they're like, how innocent
Speaker 1: are all of you? Have any of you had you know,
Speaker 1: morality like issues, like what the fuck have you got done?
Speaker 1: Because we got it all in this box but they
Speaker 1: don't got shit in that box. But they all back
Speaker 1: down of course, because they're like, oh, just like, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we been cheating right and left really bad shit.
Speaker 1: Such a great scene.
Speaker 3: It's a great scene. And then we jump to the
Speaker 3: paternity test. Information, he rips it up and he doesn't
Speaker 3: need or want to know because he is this girl's father,
Speaker 3: regardless whether it's biological or not. And Melly comes to
Speaker 3: Cyrus's office and you realize that Mellie and Cyrus are
Speaker 3: both on the outs with fits and that they're both
Speaker 3: being cheated on because they realize that the person who's
Speaker 3: having the late night meetings three times a week in
Speaker 3: the Oval office is Jake. Then Jake, Shaite, what say gee?
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, But then Melly has a
Speaker 1: wonderful line where she's like, she actually says, he's not
Speaker 1: cheating on me, he's cheating on you, because you know, Melly,
Speaker 1: for a second thought, it was you know about him
Speaker 1: in Olivia, but it wasn't it. It's about this other dude,
Speaker 1: Jake Ballard, And she's like, the fuck, he's cheating on
Speaker 1: your ass, not mine.
Speaker 3: And then with the big like end of the episode,
Speaker 3: Jake goes to Live's house and does the creepiest my
Speaker 3: look to the camera where he knows he has got
Speaker 3: surveillance set up on her, and it's so creepy and
Speaker 3: we don't know what Jake's intentions are. We don't know
Speaker 3: why he's watching live. I mean we do because we
Speaker 3: know that Fits hired him to do so, but like
Speaker 3: we don't know if he's good or bad, or if
Speaker 3: he likes her, or if he's faking it, or like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is this guy doing.
Speaker 1: People didn't know what to make of Jake, especially in
Speaker 1: the very beginning. People were like, totally hated the fuck
Speaker 1: out of him.
Speaker 3: Remember it was bad, hated him. And then the last
Speaker 3: second of the episode is that Osborne, who we think
Speaker 3: is the mole, looks at picks surveillance photos of Quinn
Speaker 3: at the dry cleaners. So Quinn didn't do a good job.
Speaker 3: It's talking at all.
Speaker 1: But those were some cute photos. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: she looks cute, she looks good. Yeah, those hot angle shots.
Speaker 1: It was good. You looked good, was you know what?
Speaker 3: I was thinking about you the whole time? Because there's
Speaker 3: all these scenes of Quinn walking up and down the
Speaker 3: street following him to the dry cleaner, and my skirt
Speaker 3: is just literally doing circles and circles.
Speaker 1: And circle damn pencil skirt.
Speaker 3: Around my fucking spanks like I used to be in
Speaker 3: spank shorts. Oh, and I was wearing my Jessica Simpson
Speaker 3: heels and those fucking pencil skirts that every time I
Speaker 3: took a step would just spin three sixties like this
Speaker 3: was supposed to be lying, you know, on myat It
Speaker 3: was just a mess. It was such a mess. Fun
Speaker 3: facts in this episode is that there's an editing edu
Speaker 3: Did you catch that editing error?
Speaker 1: I didn't until I read it in our notes.
Speaker 3: Fun facts editing error. Around minute twenty two and forty seconds,
Speaker 3: we watch from behind as Abby adjusts her purse and
Speaker 3: checks the time on her watch. The camera angle flips
Speaker 3: to her front and we watch her do the exact
Speaker 3: same motion again.
Speaker 1: I notice that all the time in movies and TV shows.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's so hard with the editing
Speaker 1: and the timing and when the actor does a certain
Speaker 1: motion and to do it at the exact same time
Speaker 1: on the you know, when they come from a different angle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It can't be perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And in the CIA Director's fyi, they really do have shadows.
Speaker 3: As Huck describes the direct Director's Protective Staff DPS for short,
Speaker 3: is near the director twenty four hours a day, seven
Speaker 3: days a week, three hundred and sixty five days a
Speaker 3: year anyone who spends private time with the director is
Speaker 3: first vetted by his staff. They even live in the
Speaker 3: basement of the director's private home, although they do not
Speaker 3: freely roam the residence.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that fucking job? You just got to
Speaker 1: be down they're in the basement, Like what I just
Speaker 1: can't imagine down there?
Speaker 3: A refrigerator, shower?
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 3: Also, they can't take breaks to even poop, like they're
Speaker 3: busy watching the CIA director. And if they're safe, that sucks.
Speaker 3: I would never want to be the director of the CIA.
Speaker 3: That's alcohol solute who wakes up as a little boy
Speaker 3: or girl and says like I want to be the
Speaker 3: director of the CIA, right, And and.
Speaker 1: It probably is all top secret, right, Like they can't
Speaker 1: be like boast about something cool that they did at
Speaker 1: their job to like, you know, like a family party.
Speaker 1: It's all got to kept we kept secret.
Speaker 3: That's no fucking fun, no fucking fun.
Speaker 1: Oh is it that time?
Speaker 3: Tweet tweet tweet tweet tweets to the time? Okay scandal
Speaker 3: tweets at the time, We got one from the Queen herself.
Speaker 3: Kerrie Washington on March twenty first wrote to at Ty
Speaker 3: Lobby hashtag as scandal. How come Olivia gives this great
Speaker 3: advice to people but don't apply it to herself? And
Speaker 3: then she responded because she's human.
Speaker 1: That's right. And then we got another queen tweeting, wow
Speaker 1: is Judy Smith y'all? And Judy Smith tweets a crisis
Speaker 1: manager does offer comfort Olivia and I have a heart
Speaker 1: for those who need us hashtag scandal. Hashtag as scandal.
Speaker 3: Oh I love that so much too. Another queen tweet, Yes,
Speaker 3: yes she did, Katie lows, I'm kidding. I was waiting
Speaker 3: for it. She tweeted. In response to at Nikki five
Speaker 3: to eight wrote, lol did Quinn not remember lives? Too
Speaker 3: much cleavage comment ari the pink cardigan hashtag ask scandal,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 1: Wrote, oops, yeah, that was in season one.
Speaker 3: She tells you much and she's in one episode one,
Speaker 3: Olivia Pope says too much cleavage. Originally, yeah, that was
Speaker 3: the pilot. Originally she was supposed to say your skirt's
Speaker 3: too short ooh. But when I went to the fitting,
Speaker 3: I told Linn Polo, I don't do short skirts. Hell no,
Speaker 3: so can we change it to cleavage?
Speaker 1: And we did nice, And then we have our Janey Pitts.
Speaker 1: Dash Murdoch tweeted, I just don't know how to feel
Speaker 1: about Jake. Is he a gladiator, manipulator, saboteur? Hashtag scandal
Speaker 1: hashtag scandal ABC. Yo, nobody knows at this point.
Speaker 3: Yo, nobody knows at this point, nobody knows how. I
Speaker 3: don't even know how I feel about Jake at half
Speaker 3: post TV tweeted, does the presidency come with a morality clause?
Speaker 3: Because I'm pretty sure fits is in breach. You could
Speaker 3: say scandle hashtag askue scandal. Another queen tweeted, gee, what
Speaker 3: does she say?
Speaker 1: Bellamy Young? Was she responding to Darby?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 1: She says, you handled it? Hashtag scandal ranked number one
Speaker 1: in prime time with one hundred in ninety one thousand tweets,
Speaker 1: topping what is that? Topping American Idol by sixty eight
Speaker 1: percent at one hundred and thirteen thousand tweets. So we've
Speaker 1: freaking beat out American Idol during this episode.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And Bellamy wrote the hashtag in response to it, hashtag
Speaker 3: gladiators roar remember that? Hashtag ladiators. You gladiators are the
Speaker 3: fucking best. You were the best, then you're the best.
Speaker 1: Now. Hell yeah.
Speaker 3: Our next step episode is called Snake in the Garden
Speaker 3: and I don't remember what it's about. Do you remember
Speaker 3: what of that? No, nope, we may have a guest.
Speaker 3: We may not, but listen, gladiators. Thanks for roaring so
Speaker 3: loudly on March twenty second of twenty thirteen, and thanks
Speaker 3: for roaring so loudly now because we hear you guys
Speaker 3: are listening to this podcast. You're rewatching the fucking Hulu
Speaker 3: scandal stream it situation, and we're hashtag grateful, hashtag blessed.
Speaker 1: We love it so much. We thank you guys so
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Speaker 1: unpacking your tool box. They're just saying they didn't realize
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Speaker 1: when is Tony gonna be on that? We should have
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Speaker 3: Oh, we're going to do that.
Speaker 1: That's a great idea. A lot of people have been
Speaker 1: tweeting that they started doing the rewatch, but they got
Speaker 1: so into the show that they're on like season four now,
Speaker 1: and they're like, sorry, I'm way ahead, but I'm still,
Speaker 1: you know, listening to the podcast, and yeah, do yourselves
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Speaker 3: We love you all. Peace out, Lada, allgatas legats.
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