1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: And welcome to Friday's edition a Big Luke kickoff live 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He's pauled the Tino On 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Lance Medal. Good to be with you for the next 4 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: sixty minutes. It's all presented by Corps Light. Two ways 5 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: to interact with us here on the program two zero 6 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: one five one three. You can also interact with us 7 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: on Twitter using hashtag Giants Chat. We'll get to your 8 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: phone calls, get to your tweets along the way. As 9 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: the Giants wrapped up Mini camp and I are gonna 10 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: break for the off season before they return for training camp. 11 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: But there is bigger news across the NFL landscape, specifically 12 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: in terms of the expansion events to replay as it 13 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: pertains to pass interference and for more insight on that, 14 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: we are now joined by a very special guest right 15 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: off the top. You can see her on NFL Network, 16 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: also a calumnist for NFL dot com, none other than 17 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: Judy Batista. Judy got Lance Medal Paula Tino here on 18 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: Giants dot Com. Appreciate the time, how's everything good? How 19 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: are you guys? Wonderful? Wonderful, But I gotta tell you something. 20 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm getting a little tired of all this this back 21 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: and forth debate about eighteen game schedules and should there 22 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: be pass interference lags thrown by the coaches are by 23 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: a sky judge. I mean, all this stuff that happens 24 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: during the off season, it's given me a headache. Let 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: let's let's let's start with the passage of fear. It's 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: called because I know Lance has got a real, a 27 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: real sticking thorn in his side over this whole thing. 28 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: It seems to me right now that the the the 29 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: ebb and flow of the tide is that the coaches 30 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: didn't want their their their ability to throw a flag 31 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: on it because they were afraid they'd be burning up 32 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: one of their instant replay challenges. And so now it's 33 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: kind of back in the in the in the courts 34 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: of the the upper upper echelon of the press box. 35 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Where do we stand with this judy And is there 36 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: any chance that it will be modified again? We'll never 37 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: say never. I mean, it's already gone through a few 38 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: iterations since it was created in March, so we still 39 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: got a long way to go until September. But um, 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: I think what they're going to settle on, what it 41 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: appears they're gonna settle on for now. Is it is 42 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: going to be coaches can challenge pass interferance or non 43 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: pass interpearance, you know called missed calls. UM. The other 44 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: parts of the game, not including the final two minutes 45 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: of the first half and the final two minutes of 46 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: a game. In those two minutes periods, UM, it would 47 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: be the replay official up the booth, which is the 48 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: same as everything else, right, That's the same as all 49 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: the other plays that could be reviewed. UM. The reason 50 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: it's gone back and forth is that's how it was 51 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: originally created at the league meeting in March then. UM. 52 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: I think there became some concern that if you have 53 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: it in the hands of the replay officials, that could 54 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: mean a lot of stoppages in the final two minutes 55 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: of a game. You know, if they're looking at everything. 56 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: First of all, that would logistically be very difficult for 57 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: the New York officiating headquarters to handle, especially on the 58 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: one o'clock games when there's a ton of games and 59 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: ending all at the same time. But the other problem 60 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: by the league is they don't a ton of stoppages 61 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: in the final two minutes. They don't want to come 62 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: out and say it, but they don't want it to 63 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: look like an NBA game where the final two minutes 64 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: of a game takes twenty five minutes to play. They 65 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: don't like that. One of Roger Goodell's initiatives a few 66 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: years ago was pace of the game. They want to 67 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: keep it moving, So that was a concern. They talked 68 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: to the coaches. They thought maybe if you had to 69 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: just be challengeable by coaches, that would reduce the number 70 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: of stoppages. But the coaches pushed back on that. They 71 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: don't want that responsibility first of all, and you're right, 72 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: they don't want to have to save in their back pocket. 73 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: One of their challenges UM for a possible end of 74 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: game scenario. So the way it is settled on now 75 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: is it's going to be in the hands of the 76 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: replay official up in the box. Um. They will have 77 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: to stop the game, and there's going to be language 78 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: in they're saying, you know, sort of extra. It's got 79 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: to be especially egregious on past interference to stop the 80 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: game and review a play. They don't want every tiki 81 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: tech thing reviewable in the final two minutes, particularly on 82 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: a hail Mary. So that's where we are now. But 83 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: you know what, guys, it's only June and we got 84 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: a long way until we get to September. So who knows, Judy, 85 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: We have all covered this game for a long time, 86 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: and we all know that on a number of those 87 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: hail Mary plays there are muggings. In fact, manslaughter nearly 88 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: occurs on some of those hail Mary plays. I wonder 89 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: how they're going to define egregious when they get to 90 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: a hail Mary play. Will it ever be called or 91 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: will they just say, ah, you know what, no matter 92 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: what you do on a hail Mary play, it's not 93 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: going to be egregious. Yeah. This is why I think 94 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: the preseason games and the early regular season games are 95 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: going to be so interesting to see how it's officiated 96 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: and what kind of direction comes, you know, from the 97 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: league office. Because if you remember last year when they 98 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: created the helmet rule, right that you couldn't make any 99 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 1: contact forcible contact with the helmet, that was getting called 100 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: a ton in the preseason, and the league didn't like 101 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: it because the game was you know, a billion flags, 102 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: a million stoppages, and so they basically had to go 103 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: back and give instruction um saying you know, sort of 104 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: not incidental contact. It has to clearly be intentional contact. 105 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: They want to avoid that kind of scenario where they 106 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: have to go back and give additional instruction to the officials. 107 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: But I think it's gonna bear watching, Like what do 108 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: those early games look like, especially in the preseason? You know, 109 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: are they going to stop the game a ton in 110 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: the final two minutes? Because you're right, if you look 111 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: at any Hail Mary play, there's not one case of 112 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: past interference, there's multiple cases of past inca. So how 113 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: what's going to constitute pass interference on that kind of play? 114 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: That I think is going to be the big question. Well, 115 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: and Judy, it's interesting that you brought up the preseason, 116 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: which you know I like to use as an experimental 117 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: phase and of sure coaches as well as everybody else 118 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: who's invested in the league. And you brought up an 119 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: interesting point also on Twitter because you were emphasizing that 120 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: I think what gets lost in translation here when they 121 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: implement did these tweaks? Initially it was just for one 122 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: year and nothing beyond that. You know, they need to 123 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: still approve to make sure that this is going to 124 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: be moving forward. So how much is this season in 125 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: the eyes of coaches, executives and so forth, really a 126 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: trial by error with respect to reviewing pass interference or 127 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: to your point, non calls as well. Yeah, I'm sure 128 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: they don't want to use that phrase, but look, I've 129 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: had people in the league office tell me that they 130 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: could envision a scenario where if there are simply too 131 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: many stoppages, where if it's just a mess or this 132 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: would be a one year only rule where they would 133 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: go back, you know, in March when the owners have 134 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: to reapprove it and say, you know what, we didn't 135 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: like what this did to our game. Let's go back 136 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: to the drawing board and figure something out. Certainly, they 137 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: would like to avoid that. They know that the mis 138 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: call in the NFC Championship game was a fiasco, and 139 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: they know it was a mess thing though it really 140 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: hurts UM officiating overall, So they would like they want 141 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: to come up with something to avoid that sort of 142 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: worst case scenario again. But you know, they're very concerned 143 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: about multiple stoppages of play late in games, what that 144 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: will do to the flow of a game. Um, they're 145 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: trying to find, you know, the fine line to walk 146 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: between those two problems. But there's no question everybody's going 147 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: to be watching closely this year. And if there are 148 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: just too many stoppages of players and if you know, 149 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: messes up the flow of games late in the game, 150 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: I could entirely see the scenario where we get to 151 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: the league meeting in March, you know, where the competition 152 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: Committee has to look at it again starting next February, 153 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: and then we get to the league meeting in March 154 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: where they say we're going back to the drawing board. 155 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: We gotta come up with something better. Judy, I know 156 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm asking you to assume and kind of you know, 157 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: speak for for other groups, but who is more upset 158 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: about stoppages of play? You would think that coaches and 159 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: players and even fans themselves would like the correct call 160 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: to be made. I mean, I will tell you this, 161 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: as somebody who absolutely loves the National Football League, I 162 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: get more disgusted out of an erroneous call or non 163 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: call than I ever would about taking another five or 164 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: ten minutes tacked onto the end of the game. I 165 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: suspect many fans would not agree with that. UM I think, yes, 166 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: you obviously want the calls that you have to get 167 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: the calls correct as much as you can, but um, 168 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: fans hate when games are stopped repeatedly. Like think of 169 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: if you're watching a game and you're sort of following 170 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: along on Twitter during the regular season, and it's one 171 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: of those games where there's just a billion penalties and 172 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: you know the flag is being thrown all the time. 173 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: Think of the kind of complaining that you see on 174 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: Twitter from fans, like just the repeated throwing of the flag, there, 175 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: repeated stoppages how the game is taking. Nobody likes that. 176 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Nobody likes that that. Television networks certainly don't like it. 177 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: Fans don't like it. I don't think players and coaches 178 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: like it either. I don't think anybody likes that kind 179 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: of constant stopping, starting, stopping starting. Well, I guess I guess, Judie, 180 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: I guess Judie. What I'm saying is I I appreciate, 181 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, the kind of traffic logjam of having a 182 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: break every two seconds. I mean, nobody likes to do 183 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: that behind the wheel of a car either. But I 184 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: suppose what I'm saying is I don't know that it's 185 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: gonna be habitual. I I'd like to believe that there 186 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: would be judicious use of it to the point where 187 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: avoiding the embarrassment of our horrendous call to me would 188 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: outweigh an extra couple of break It's I mean, that's 189 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: just that's just me. That's just me. That's the goal, right, 190 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: that's the goal is. You know, you're going to maybe 191 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: have an extra stoppage or two, but you'll get the call. Right. 192 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: That is the ideal scenario. And I think that's why 193 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: the preseason games are going to be so important, because 194 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: that's where they will be giving instructions to the associating 195 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: cruise about we want this called. We don't want this called. 196 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: You know, let this thing go. This is TICKI tech, 197 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: but this is clearly egregious. You've got to throw the 198 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: flag on this. No matter what I think, they're going 199 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: to have to feel their way. It's you know, it's 200 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: the first time. Any time a new rule goes in, 201 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: they'll tell you. League officials will tell you when defensive 202 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: pass an experience first went in, UM it took like 203 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: three years until that was finally officiated the way they 204 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: wanted officiated. If there's a growth curve, and I suspect 205 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: that's what we're going to see on this is it's 206 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: going to take a while for everybody to get where 207 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: they wanted to be. Certainly the goal is not a 208 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: ton of stoppages, but to get the calls right as 209 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: often as they possibly can. Well, it's taken a long 210 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: time to get the catchual rights, so I guess it 211 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: would have been surprising Judy if this takes a while 212 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: as well, fluid, and I think, and I think, you know, 213 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: those first few weeks are going to tell us a lot. 214 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: We're talking with Judy battist to NFL Network columnist or 215 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: NFL dot com, and you know you were bringing up 216 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: the dynamics Judy about well, there's concern about too many 217 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: stoppages of play, and I want to bring up the 218 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: Canadian Football League because the CFL has already been reviewing 219 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: pass interference judgment calls for quite a few seasons. And 220 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: when I've had some interaction with CFL officials, the one 221 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: thing that they said was the reason we put the 222 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: onus on the coaches to challenge as opposed to on 223 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: the booth is because we would be nervous the league 224 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: official working up in the booth, Judy would be under 225 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: pressure he or she would want to review everything because 226 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: obviously their job is on the line. So the reason 227 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: I bring that up from what you've heard, how much 228 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: of a concern is even that that maybe the reason 229 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: why they initially wanted to tweak the rule is because 230 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: then the booth is going to think, hey, we need 231 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: to look at everything because we don't want to create 232 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: more controversy like we saw in the NFC Championship game. Yeah. 233 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: I think one of the concerns and the reason why 234 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: they went back and looked at it and thought about 235 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: making this all coach challengeable is there's going to be 236 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: a different standard. Right. They don't want there to be 237 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: a different standard than the final two minutes of each half, 238 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: but you're going to have different eyes looking at us, right, 239 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the the first parts of each half is 240 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: going to be what the coaches think, the coach's discretion. 241 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: Is it worth throwing the plaque here? Is it worth risking, 242 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, losing the time out that's number one versus 243 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: in the final two minutes. You know, the replay official 244 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: is going to be looking at it differently. Right, Are 245 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: they going to be looking at every single plate very closely? 246 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: And you're right, is there going to be a feeling 247 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: they may not say it out loud, but is there 248 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: going to be a feeling I better stop and look 249 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: at this closely because if I blow this call, Oh 250 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: a boy, you know this is going to blow up. Um. 251 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: That's why I think the language of the rule is 252 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: going to be so important. How they define egregious you know, 253 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: how strict? You know, if they're if they're going to 254 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: say it's got to be a higher threshold to stop 255 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: a play in the final few minutes, what's that threshold 256 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: is going to be? How are they going to define it? 257 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: What kind of instructions are you going to give to 258 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: the replay official because there's going to be a ton 259 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: of pressure on the replay officials in every game. Now, Judy, 260 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: I know we're running out of time. If you have 261 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: a couple of more minutes for us, we'd certainly like 262 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: to find out from you. How much of serious conversation 263 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: is being given to the annual debate about going to 264 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: eighteen games and eliminating two preseason games. You've heard Commissioner Goodell, 265 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: wherefore of this now many many times over the last 266 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: few years. How close are we getting to a serious 267 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: sitdown that may alter the game schedule? Well, this is 268 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: all part of the bigger negotiations for the next collective 269 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: bargain agreement which they are talking to the union about. 270 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: You know, they're talking about the whole gamut of issues 271 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: that would be part of a new c b. A. 272 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: Eighteen games is something that the league is going to 273 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: look at. And the reason why there's interest among some 274 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: owners is because you know, let's face it, there would 275 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: be a gigantic financial winfall which the players would share in. Obviously, 276 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: the players get a large percentage of revenue, um, because 277 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: you could sell that, you know, another TV package more games. Right, 278 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: It's lots and lots more money that gets divided up 279 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: among all the parties. However, I think there's a fallback plan. Um, 280 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: if they don't get eighteen games, would they add a 281 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: playoff game that obviously could also generate a whole lot 282 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: of revenue. There would be networks fitting to cast back game. Um. 283 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: These are all negotiating tactics, right, I mean, eighteen games 284 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: will certainly be part of the discussion. How hard there 285 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: will be a push for it, I don't know. It 286 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: depends on what else can be done in negotiation. There 287 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: are a whole bunch of issues that are all tied together. Um, 288 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: eighteen games is going to pop up, or you know, 289 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: expanding games is always going to pop up because of 290 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: the potential windfall of additional revenue. It's always going to 291 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: come up. And so you know they're going to say 292 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: it to the players like this, Listen, you share in 293 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: this revenue. Is it worth it to you? Do you 294 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: want it? And if you don't want it, what can 295 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: we do instead adding playoff games? What do you think 296 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: about that? They're also going to say, listen, if we 297 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: expanded to eighteen games, we would expand the roster. That 298 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: would create many more jobs. Are you interested in that? 299 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: It's all negotiation, right, I mean, do I think that 300 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: eighteen games is coming? I don't because I think the 301 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: players will probably push back pretty hard and I think 302 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: there are other things that the week can get, maybe 303 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: more playoff games. Um, but you know it's always going 304 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: to be a part of the conversation, just because it 305 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: would generate a ton of money. Well, and of course, 306 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: the USFL played eighteen games for the three years of 307 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: its existence back in the eighties and proved that it 308 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: was a manageable way to go. However, they only had 309 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: two semi final playoff games and then the championship game, 310 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, nothing like what the NFL has where the 311 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: playoffs are spread out over like six weeks. Correct. Yeah, 312 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's there's no question that there are 313 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: some owners who have an appetite for eighteen games. Um. 314 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: There are other owners who don't. Uh, And there are 315 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: a whole lot of owners who are somewhere in between. Um. 316 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: But again, all of these things are tied together. The 317 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: number one thing is how is the revenue going to 318 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: be splissed? That's that's what always gets a CBA done. 319 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: And this will be presented as this would create a 320 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: ton more revenue. Are you interested in your share of 321 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: a ton more revenue? And if you if you're not, 322 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: if you think this is simply too much, what can 323 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: we do instead to get more revenue? And again that 324 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: may be more playoffs games, But it's all part of 325 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: the given take. Everything is a part of the given take. 326 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: We've we've talked for years about like will they use 327 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: the restrictions on use of marijuana? You know, that's all 328 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: part of the given tick too. That's going to be 329 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: rolled into a new cp A as well. You scratch 330 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: my back, I scratch your back. We meet halfway at 331 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: the negotiating table. That's what negotiations, right, What are you 332 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: going to give me? What will I give you? Yea? 333 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: What it is? Judy real quickly before we let you go. Though. 334 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: Connected to all of what you're saying, I think, though, 335 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: is that dangling phrase of player safety, which also is 336 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: something that is always brought up as synonymous with well, 337 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: if you extend the games now, players are prone to 338 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: more hits, more physicality. So that's why I would think 339 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: the nugget that you pointed out, roster examination and expansion 340 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: to me, would have to be tied into any talk 341 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: about additional games. Yes, I don't think there's any question 342 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: about that. If if the player is expressing any willingness 343 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: to even consider eighteen games, it would have to be 344 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: under the umbrella of you would expand the roster, so 345 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: you would be creating, you know, a few hundred more jobs, 346 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: perhaps an extra by week to give players more rest, 347 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, how would you manage the russell WI you 348 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: have more players active on a game day. I think 349 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: all of those things would be tied in if they 350 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: ever got deep into the conversation about eighteen games. I'm 351 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: not sure how deep into the conversation. The players union 352 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: is even going to be willing to go though. She 353 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: is Judy Batist that you can see her on the 354 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: NFL Network Calumness for NFL dot Com. Judy is always 355 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: great stuff. Really appreciate your time in the inside. Thanks 356 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Thanks my pleasure. You guys, 357 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: take care you as well. That is Judy Battista once 358 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: again weighing in here on Big Blue Kickoff Live Giants 359 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: dot Com. Some of the chatter leading up to the 360 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: next CBA negotiations which are currently underway, as well as 361 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: the tweaks, the continuous tweaks, I think it's important to 362 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: label it with respect to the expansion of instant replay 363 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: for past interference and judgment calls. I'll land you heard 364 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: Judy talk about the possible expansion of the playoffs as 365 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: maybe one of the negotiating points that could be jockeyed 366 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: about when the league asks for more games. Charlie Weiss 367 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: on your NFL Serious channel the other day suggested that 368 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: you eliminate the first two buys in each conference. He said, 369 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: why not just have add two playoff teams to each 370 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: conference so that you have one play eight to play 371 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: seven three play six, four play five, so that there 372 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: are no longer buys. You have your four division winners 373 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: in each conference, and then four wild card teams who 374 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: were all on the road at the four division winners. 375 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: This would give the NFL, think about it, two additional 376 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: playoff games per conference, and the networks are gonna salivate 377 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: over having a total now of four additional playoff games. 378 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: My problem and the only thing that I could think about. 379 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: And I understand that, you know, Charlie had an idea there. 380 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, that'll give the networks, uh some 381 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: more money. It'll give the league more money, the players 382 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: get the money and everything, and you're not going up 383 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: to eighteen games. It's a way to avoid it. The 384 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: only thing I was thinking about is how do you 385 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: schedule it? Do you put a triple header on Saturday, 386 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: a triple header on Sunday, in a double header on Monday? 387 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: Because you have to find a way to get eight 388 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: games into a weekend, and I'm not sure how you 389 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: would do it. I would think you'd probably have maybe 390 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: a Thursday or a Friday game or something like that. 391 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: And I know what you're gonna say. It's a short turnaround. 392 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: And coaches and players are going to be furious if 393 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: you tell them they've got to have a Thursday or 394 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: Friday playoffs game right after the end of the season, 395 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: they will not be happy. Well, I am completely against 396 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: the expansion of the playoffs and the reason why I'm 397 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: not even thinking about how you can manage a games, Paul. 398 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 1: What I love about the NFL is the smallest percentage 399 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: of teams compared to all of the professional sports, with 400 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: the exception of Major League Baseball, make the postseas. And 401 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: you've got thirty two teams in the National Football League, 402 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: twelve teams make the playoffs. Why are we going to 403 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: now get to the point if you're adding too Now 404 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: we're half the league makes the postseason, So the challenge 405 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: and the importance of every single regular season game it diminishes. 406 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: If you're going to expand the postseason, I think it's 407 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: completely unnecessary. I love the fact that there's an emphasis 408 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: on you have to win your division, and you know 409 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: there's only two wild card teams, so we're only given 410 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: two gifts to teams that just miss out on their division. 411 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: I love that about the NFL right now, Well, the 412 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: other part is too if you're one of the top 413 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: two teams in the conference, you get that very valuable 414 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: bye week. And when you talk about the toll that 415 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: the season takes on players, there is a true reward 416 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: for those teams to be able to have that bye week. Now, 417 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: we know different coaches play a different ways, and sometimes 418 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: it backfires depending upon how they write momentum injuries and 419 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: do they play guys in week seventeen because oh, you know, 420 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: we're going to get the bye week, and so we 421 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: don't know if we want to get them rusty or not. 422 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: And and the coaches have to decide on there into 423 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: visual basis how they're going to play it and how 424 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: they're going to strategize. But but I understand the value 425 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: of saying the top two teams in the conference will 426 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to at least have that week off well, 427 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: because that's an incentive. Paul. It is what it gets 428 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: back to. You're telling the top two teams in both conferences, Hey, 429 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: not only have you win your division, but if you 430 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: show that you're consistently one of the top two teams 431 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: of the conference or rewarded you you get extra rest 432 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: and you also have a shot at home field advantage 433 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: throughout the remainder of your conference postseason. That to me 434 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: is important, just like there's an incentive now, Paul, in 435 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: winning your division. When you start expanding the playoffs, there, 436 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: to me is not much of an incentive in winning 437 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: the division. And related to this, I don't know if 438 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: you saw. Eric Winston, the president of the Players Association, 439 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: has been with a few teams during the course of 440 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: his career. He recently did an interview with NBC. They 441 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: asked him about the expansion of the playoffs or changing 442 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: of the postseason. He recommended Paul that they eliminate the 443 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: seeding structure right now, and they just rank one through 444 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: six based on record. So he's essentially eliminating the incentive 445 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: of winning the division. So meaning if you're the Chargers, 446 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: for example, Paul, they they had a better record than 447 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: some of the divisional winners last year, but they were 448 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: a wild card team because the Chiefs won the division. 449 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: So now you're gonna put the Chargers to the Chiefs one, 450 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: and that means that the other three division winners get 451 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: moved down and some of them are not even hosting 452 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,239 Speaker 1: a playoff game. I'm completely against that team, And you know, 453 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm Italian, so I have a very strong opinion. I 454 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: am totally against that because remember, your schedule is waited 455 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: to play the teams in your division twice, and with 456 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: a waited divisional schedule as we have, you cannot value 457 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: a playoff spot equally or the the earning of a 458 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: playoffs spot equally across conference lines to where now you're 459 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: just gonna see them by numbers without taking into account 460 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: division titles. I would be so against that. I can't 461 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: even begin to tell you. Yeah, I love how the 462 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: fact that the schedule of the regular season schedule, Paul, 463 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: is structured around the divisional format, right, so therefore the 464 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: playoffs should be too. And that's why I'm saying, don't 465 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: mess around with it now. Piggybacking off of your point 466 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: about the eighteen game schedule, I know you throw out 467 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss's point about the playoffs, but let's just backpedal 468 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: here for a second, Paul, if you go hypothetically to 469 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: eighteen games, okay, now you have to account for two 470 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: additional opponents, correct, So how do you go about finding 471 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: those two additional opponents? Because you could argue there's room 472 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: to play out of conference opponents right, because you're not 473 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: playing everybody in the opposing conference. But who are you 474 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: going to add if you go in conference right now 475 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: that it's structured beautifully, you play everybody in your division twice, 476 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: you play another conference each once, and then you another 477 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: vision another division, excuse me, and then you play the 478 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: two teams that finished in your spot the previous season 479 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: in those other divisions to provide structure. So by you 480 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: now adding other games, there's got to be some rationale 481 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: behind it, is my point. But what are they gonna do. 482 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: They're gonna flip a coin, so you're gonna play now 483 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: two teams from another division and two teams or another division. 484 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: I just I don't like that idea at all. Yeah. Well, 485 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: and of course you know the whole preseason argument is 486 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: going to come into play too, because there's no way, 487 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: there is no way you're going to get the eighteen games, 488 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: even if you expand the rosters and then still have 489 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: four preseason games. That's never gonna happen. That's never gonna happen. Well, 490 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: and and we've had that discussion too as too. Is 491 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: their merit for two or four preseason games. I think 492 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: there's a debatable point to be made there. I think 493 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: that that's a fair conversation to have. But who are 494 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: you hurting if you cut down to two preseason games. 495 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: The reason I bring that up is you're not hurting 496 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: the established stars, Paul, because they barely play. But isn't 497 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: it fair to say that you're hurting the fringe players 498 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: you're now removing and there's no for them to make 499 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: a statement? No doubt, There is no doubt. And every 500 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: coach in this league will tell you, despite the fact 501 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: that they pretty much have an idea of who they're 502 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: going to have on their team those final two weeks 503 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: of the preseason. I don't want to give you a number, 504 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: but there are roster spots that will be determined that 505 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: that they get done on those and I will tell 506 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: you this. I usually ask the Giants coach, whoever it is, 507 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: over the years I've been doing this, going into the 508 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: final preseason game, I usually ask roughly how many spots 509 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: are still in limbo? And the answer is usually when 510 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: they are willing to answer. They're not always willing to answer, 511 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: but when they do, they'll usually tell me there's about 512 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: a half a dozen spots that we're not sure of 513 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: and I think that's a reasonable number, and I would 514 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: agree with that. I don't think that's something that they're 515 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: dolling up. I think that there are some decision it 516 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: comes down to, especially in that fourth preseason game, Paul, 517 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, from just covering the Giants, and I'm sure 518 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: this is very similar to other teams. Guys are gonna 519 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: get additional playing time because they have no interest in 520 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: playing their starters. So if you're somebody that you make 521 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: a special teams play, you get a big tackle, you 522 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: get a big return, and they're in between two guys, 523 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: that could very well be the difference between you being 524 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: the fifty third player or you being the fifty four player. 525 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: And I don't think that's an exaggeration and I don't 526 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: think that's hyperbocly. So that's why I bring that up. 527 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: For fans who say, oh, you know, get rid of 528 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: the two preseason games, it's meaningless. You've got to look 529 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: at it through the lens of players, job opportunities, and 530 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: and this is why I think it's also been very 531 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: difficult for the expansion of the schedule. If we go 532 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: back to the nuts and bolts of what Judy was 533 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: talking about, it's the cb A. It's the negotiating table, Paul, 534 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: it's the players union, and it's the owners. Okay, well, 535 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: what's the players union composed of? The players Union is 536 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: composed of everybody. The players Union is not just led 537 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: by the star players, the guys making the most money. 538 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: It's the entire bulk of the player body. What is 539 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: the entire bulk of the player body. What's the majority 540 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: of the players in the players Union. It's pretty much 541 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: the bottom half of the roster. That's the majority of 542 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: the NFL. It's not the guys making the quarterback money 543 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: or the star wide receivers. So that's why you could 544 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: argue they've got much more influence, Paul, I would say 545 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: at the negotiating table, because they make up the bulk 546 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: of the union. You may have heard the Phil Simms 547 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: comments on NBC Sports Net earlier this week, where Phil 548 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: in particular addressed the A team game schedule with one 549 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: of his points and said, and I'm gonna paraphrase Phil 550 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: and feel if you're out there listening or watching, please 551 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: feel free to call in and correct me if I 552 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: got this wrong. But I believe what you had said 553 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: was that if you went to the majority of the 554 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: players in the league and gave them each a vote. 555 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: That the players would actually vote for the a team 556 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: game schedule because of the revenue that would be generated 557 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: by the extra games, and that these players would be 558 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: are happy to obtain that additional revenue because in this league, 559 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: as we know, you have a separation of haves and 560 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: have nots, and there are many more players in the 561 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: league who are on the lower end of the scale, 562 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: and they would like the extra paychecks. And the game 563 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: is a lot safer than it was back in the eighties, 564 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: as Phil said when he was getting you know, just 565 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: belted left and right. Uh, they are protecting the quarterbacks. 566 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: They're doing a lot more to protect receivers. Uh. They 567 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: are really trying to clean up the game as much 568 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: as they possibly can. And so he did not think 569 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 1: that most players would factor in the injury argument and 570 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: that they would go for more revenue. And he said 571 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: that the players Union is the power organization, if you will, 572 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: that is saying no, no, no, no, no, no no. 573 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: In fact, even said people from the players Union were 574 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: coming after him saying how could you say that? And 575 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: feels like I'm saying it because I really believe that 576 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: most of the players, if you were really to take 577 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: a vote, would disagree with with what you guys are 578 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: trying to say. Um, it's an interesting point because very 579 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: few big time NFL voices have come out with that opinion. 580 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: Here's actually Phil simms exact comments. So we can go 581 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: a great job by producer Dan Salem won bring this up. 582 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: So this is from Pro Football Talk dot com and 583 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: this was Phil Simms talking on his son's podcast, Chris 584 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: Simms Unbudded. He said, quote more game checks. It's pro rated. 585 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: Give me two more game checks. If you put it 586 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: up to a vote by the NFL players, it's overwhelmingly 587 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: it'll go over and they'll say yes. Some of the 588 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: elite quarterbacks and a few players know, well, yeah, you're 589 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: making twenty five and thirty million dollars, which is what 590 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: I was talking about. But the guys that are making 591 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: a million or less. So now he's talking more about 592 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: the bottom tier of the roster. Two more game checks? 593 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Think about what those checks look 594 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: like and how much that is and how much of 595 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: a difference it makes in their lives. End quote. He 596 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: went on to say that on NBC Sportsnet as well, 597 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: An addition to his son's podcast. That's what I saw it, 598 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: and you know that's part of the same network. And yeah, yeah, 599 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: and and Phil said he took a lot of heat 600 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: from the players over this well, and that's why I 601 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: brought it up, because I think people need to understand 602 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: the dynamics of the players union. So there's a lot 603 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: of different things here that you always need to look 604 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: at it. It's not just one individual speaking for an 605 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: entire body. There's a lot of conversations that happened behind 606 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: closed doors and what may look like an attractive option 607 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: economically from the owner's perspective. The players are not necessarily 608 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: always just looking at the economics, Paul. I think that's 609 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: something that we've got to emphasize. They're looking at players 610 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: safety in terms of a running back, for example, Paul. 611 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: You know, this was something that I even was talking 612 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: with David Deal on Serious NFL Radio about the fact 613 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: that think about this, if you factor in the New 614 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: England Patriots and all the additional playoff games that they 615 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: played in the span of a decade. This is the debate, 616 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: and I don't want to get off topic, but it's 617 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: similar to the debate of what the Warriors have gone 618 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: through during the and an NBA final number just came 619 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: out about Tom Brady. Brady correct. It is obviously relevant 620 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: to this conversation too. I didn't see the exact number, 621 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: but oh yeah, the number came out many additional playoff games. Well, 622 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: because of the postseasons that he has been to, he 623 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: has played like an additional two seasons more than any 624 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: normal player of his experience would have had. But that's 625 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: packed into the same amount of time that every other 626 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: player is just playing the normal, typical regular season scheduled. 627 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: So the reason why I bring that up, if you're 628 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: a player that is consistently on a playoff team and 629 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: it's hard to predict you're playing additional postseason games, You're 630 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: getting more game checks and more opportunities. You now add 631 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: two more regular season games. You've got to wonder how 632 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: is that going to impact the product and the dynasty talk. 633 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: There are so many tentacles to this, Paul. That's why 634 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: I think it's relevant, just like in the NBA, to 635 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: debate about why guys get load management days off. It's 636 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: because coaches and front officers are saying, if we play 637 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: our guys eighty two games straight with rest, and then 638 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: they go through an entire postseason run and they get 639 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: to the finals every single year. By the time five 640 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: years ends, they're going to have played the equivalent of 641 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: nearly an additional season compared to other teams that missed 642 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: the playoffs consistently, and they're not stressing out their players 643 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: that much. So I think some of those numbers are valid. 644 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy. Well, here's what I will say. 645 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: The Lands and you just mentioned a moment ago, how 646 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: it would affect the potential for dynasties. You know, quite honestly, 647 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: I think the NFL would applaud that because your pity 648 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: the exactly, I get it. The NFL loves parody and mediocrity. 649 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: They don't want dynasty's. So if you're gonna say, well, 650 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: an argument against it would be this would be more 651 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: difficult for dynasties to take place. The NFL is gonna say, oh, yeah, 652 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: we like that, let's go for it baby. Well, but 653 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: I think there's enough in place right now to make 654 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: it difficult to build the dynasty. So I don't think 655 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: they're necessarily gonna lose sleep over that. But once again, 656 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. I think that the league 657 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: overall would not complain if you're now making him more 658 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: challenging for the same team to consistently make the Super Bowl. 659 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,719 Speaker 1: Brady played in forty postseason games. Is our producer, Dan 660 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: Salemon once again providing us the numbers thirty and ten 661 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: mark for the Patriots in those forty postseason games. So 662 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: forty postseason games he has played during the course of 663 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: his career. It's over two seasons, correct, you do the math, Now, 664 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: sixteen games for each regular season thirty two and and 665 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: then the additional eight games. Yeah, so it's two and 666 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: a half seasons to be exact in terms of what 667 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: Brady has played on top of his normal tenure as 668 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback. It's a lot of snaps, Yeah, a lot 669 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: of throws too. Well, what one thousand, five eight nine passes, Now, Dan, 670 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: is that regular season or that's regular season or now 671 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: that's just the postseason throws? Duh, Obviously we're just talking 672 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: about the postseason games. Okay, So he's thrown one thousand, 673 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: five eighty nine passes in the postseason on top of 674 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: all of the other regular season numbers that you're gonna say, 675 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: and he's still pretty good. Indeed, yeah, well he is 676 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: the exception to the rule. But the reason why I 677 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: emphasized that is I think the parallel between the debate 678 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: in the NBA right now is very similar to the 679 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: expansion to an eight teen game regular season schedule about 680 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: are we medically putting our star players in a precarious 681 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: spot if we tack on more regular season games in 682 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: the NFL. I think that is a serious conversation that 683 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: needs to be had just from that angle. Forget not 684 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: really hurt the USFL. And I know it was only 685 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: three years. Okay, I guess it was only three years, 686 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: but they played eighteen games. I mean I covered the 687 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: Generals for those three years that they were in existence, 688 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: and you know, herschel Walker didn't seem to have any 689 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: trouble and trust me, uh he was you know, I 690 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: don't want to say he was their say Kwon Barkley, 691 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 1: but in terms of how much he touched the ball, 692 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: he was the go to guy. I mean he was 693 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: in the passing game, he was in the running game. 694 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: He was getting pounded all the time. And you know, 695 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: I I think herschel Walker's All Fame player. I'm tired 696 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: of arguing for it because it's just ridiculous for those 697 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: who don't vote for him. Herschel Walker was a Hall 698 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: of Fame player and a phenomenal generational talent, and he 699 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: didn't show anywhere and there I mean, look at the 700 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: NFL career he had after spending three years of of 701 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: all those games in the USFL didn't hurt them. Yeah, Well, 702 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: like I said, there's always exceptions to the role. There's 703 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: guys that I mean, you could throw them out there 704 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: for twenty five games and they're still standing because you know, 705 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: the technology. I think Paul has also increased the level 706 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: of information that players have at their disposal so that 707 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: they in the off season we talk about they have specialists, 708 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: players that don't show up maybe for the voluntary secular 709 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: the off season, they're working out with their own individuals 710 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: because there's that much more accessible And I'm such a 711 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: heavy reliance on sub packages. Let's face it, you know, 712 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 1: it's not like the old days where you're starting eleven 713 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: on defense. You're starting eleven on offense. All right, your 714 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 1: offensive line they'll play everything. That's so will your quarterback. Okay, 715 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: but even some of your receivers and you're running backs, 716 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: they're getting more plays off now than they did back 717 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: in the eighties, and certainly on defense with the sub packages. 718 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: My goodness, you know you're you're not seeing guys play, 719 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, the plays anymore unless you're the Giants from 720 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when Vernon and JPP and 721 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: in fact, when that happened, people were like, how can 722 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: you do that? You're running these guys into the ground. Yeah, 723 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: that was the conversation when Spaggs was playing them x 724 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: amount their snaps. But part of the rationale from Spaggs 725 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: perspective is they're my best players. So if I take 726 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: them off the field, if the level of productivity dips, 727 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: then I'm hurting my team anyway. Well, I'm telling you 728 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: right now, Jack Gregory and John menden Hall and those 729 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: guys going back even before that, Andy Robustelli and Jim 730 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,439 Speaker 1: cat Cabbage, they didn't take plays off. Well, I don't 731 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: think they were even worried about their staff counts. Like, no, 732 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: they were not worried about snap counts. Trust me, there 733 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: wasn't any saber metrics in the National Football League, like 734 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: a guarantee that they played. They up dirt on their 735 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: knee and they said two zero three hashtag giants chat. 736 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: We'll get to some tweets. Also want to open up 737 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: the phone lines, and it's all presented by Core's Light 738 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: Lands Metal Pauldatino with you, let's open up the lines. 739 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: We got Len in Columbia, Maryland. Len, what's happening? Hey, guys? 740 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: How you doing? I just happened to mention to Dan Um. 741 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: I really wanted to talk about the subject that you're 742 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: you're talking about here, and that is the expanded schedule 743 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: to eighteen games. But just just a little sidebar to 744 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: this Um. The Washington Post reported this morning that h 745 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: and I passed this on to Dan that Haskins has 746 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: a very good chance of being the starting quarterback on 747 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: day one. Okay, good for him, all right, just the 748 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: interesting piece of news. Well, I think also, you know, 749 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: case Keenum is not necessarily a long term answer to 750 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: for the Washington Redskins. End does not have a history 751 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: with the team because he was just acquired. So, I mean, 752 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: if if we're gonna try to compare that to the 753 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: Giant scenario, I just don't think that there's a lot 754 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: of substance there. Not saying that I wasn't I wasn't 755 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: trying to do that I was just trying to add that, 756 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: you know, the first time we play the Redskins, which 757 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: is what game game that it's it's likely that Haskins 758 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: will be the quarterback and would be from the from 759 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: the you know, from the first week we had a 760 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 1: previous discussion on this land and talking about how first 761 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: rounds draft pick quarterbacks. Uh, you know, whether they were 762 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: even darressed in that first week, I don't know if 763 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: you remember that conversation. Let me let me go on 764 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: to the main point, and um Lance, you use the 765 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: point or the phrase tentacles to this eight team game season, 766 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,919 Speaker 1: don't don't forget another segment of partners that the NFL has, 767 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: and that's that's the season ticket holder, the people who 768 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: were finally going to pay the bills, and whether or 769 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: not they might like in eighteen game season. And I 770 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: hope somehow not just fans we were watching the game 771 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: on TV, but the real partners, the real partners with 772 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: the NFL have a saying whether or not we go 773 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: to eighteen games. Well, I don't think that's likely to 774 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I don't think that's likely because 775 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: you have to remember the percentage of money that the 776 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: NFL is able to generate is mostly through the network 777 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: deals and other other avenues. The actual ticket sales that 778 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: you get on Sunday is a much smaller percentage of 779 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: the big piece of the big pie, you know. So 780 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna be much of limfluence at all. Okay, 781 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: So you're you're telling me that, and to see is 782 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: my own case myself in this situation, I'm less of 783 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: a partner than the NFL than the networks are. Oh, 784 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about that. I mean, 785 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: look at the economics, lend. I mean, are you spending 786 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: billions of dollars to to make the games happen every Sunday? 787 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: The networks are. And let me throw this out as 788 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: a comparison and something related to what you're bringing up. 789 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: When a team raises ticket prices, whether it's the NFL, 790 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: the NBA, major League Baseball, do they send out a 791 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: survey to fans and season ticket holders. I at least 792 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: have never experienced that, and my families a season ticket 793 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: holder for the Knicks, I've never experienced a survey being 794 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: sent down. Hey, is this okay? If we raise ticket 795 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: prices fifteen bucks apop. I've never experienced something. I mean 796 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: even baseball when they went up to one sixty two, 797 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: they didn't They didn't survey the fans, you know, I mean, 798 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: I mean that, That's what I'm bring it up. Well, 799 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: let me let me just add something as one who 800 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,959 Speaker 1: has gotten letters from ownership in this case Mr Tish 801 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 1: and Mr Mara each and every year, even when UM 802 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 1: ticket prices aren't being raised. And and let me say 803 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: they they've been real smart about all of this for 804 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,720 Speaker 1: the last three years and health ticket prices a stable 805 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: over that three year period of time. And I appreciate 806 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: that given the product that they've been putting on the field, 807 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: and also UM being very realistic about the value of 808 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: pre season games to their season ticket holder partners and UM, 809 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, very favorable value wise in terms of the 810 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: prices for preseason games. And I applaud them for doing that. 811 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: And they've done that for four or five consecutive years. 812 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: And if if Mr Morrow Mr Tish are listening, if 813 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 1: they wanted to cut the price on preseason another twenty 814 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: bucks a game, I'd be okay with that, by the way, 815 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: and I think most of the season ticket holders with 816 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: I think say the same thing. But back to the 817 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: letter that I might receive or that I do receive 818 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: every year. Mr Mara um and Mr Tische thank me 819 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: for my ongoing And they may not use the word partnership, 820 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: but I think they're referring to it, and I think, Um, 821 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,959 Speaker 1: I think if you asked him, I think Jean mara 822 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: and also Mr Tish thinks of us. I'm so surprised 823 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: you guys feel that way. Well, we're not saying I mean, listen, 824 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to put words 825 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: in anybody's mouth, but we're not We're not partners. Just 826 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: gonna me finish the sense. I'm sorry, No, no, I 827 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: was gonna say that. I don't think it's a matter 828 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: of disvaluing the fans of the season taken owners the 829 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: way that Paul and I are interpreting it. I'm just 830 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,760 Speaker 1: looking at it from the economic breakdown of the league 831 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: and when you look at when you look at Land, 832 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: a network that brings billions upon billions of dollars into 833 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: the league, you would think, hey, just like if you 834 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: have multiple owners, right, you've got minority owners and you've 835 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: got majority owners. The guy that owns fifty one to 836 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: the team when it comes to the owner's meetings, he's 837 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: gonna have a little bit more say than the guy 838 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: that owns two percent. So that that was where I 839 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 1: was coming from as well as Paul. The numbers just 840 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: indicate that the networks have a bigger hammer. That's all exactly. Yeah, yeah, alright, well, 841 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: I and and I just just to go back on 842 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: this on this point a little bit. Um. But let 843 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: let I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. If 844 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: you're an undrafted free agent and you make the roster 845 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: this year, it's about thirty tho dollars a game, I 846 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: think it's four is the season contract for an undrafted 847 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: free agent. If you do that across seventeen weeks, you 848 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: get about thirty maybe a little less than thirty tho dollars. 849 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: So if they play two more games, they get sixty dollars. Now, obviously, 850 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,400 Speaker 1: if you're ELI and you're playing two more games and 851 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: your pro rates, now it's going to be a lot 852 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: more money to the young guy, you know, year old 853 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: underrafter the three agent that makes a roster, that's that's 854 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,800 Speaker 1: about what it would make, which is what Phil Simms 855 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: referred to. And then to be honest with your land. Uh. 856 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: And I don't want to debate the point any longer. 857 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: But let's make it really simple for you, because this 858 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: example really is the best one I can come up with. 859 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: You know, the networks determine the kickoff times. Uh. They 860 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: determine what days the playoff games are gonna be on 861 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: because they want best ratings and the best markets and 862 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: the best kickoff times. The networks get to flex out 863 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: Sunday night football games because they want to be able 864 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: to you know, get their best bang for their buck. 865 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean that that really is the best example I 866 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,760 Speaker 1: can give you. What how the networks really wag the dog? 867 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: The tail is wagging the dog. The networks they they 868 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,479 Speaker 1: got a lot of cloud Oh listen, I'm not doubting that, Paul, 869 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: And and this is this is this is this is 870 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: not bragg game. When I say this, this is just 871 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: to make it part of the to make it part 872 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: of the conversation, if you will allow me, unless you 873 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: want to go onto another quickly, real quick, because let 874 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 1: me let me just make this last point. And um, 875 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: you know, when you begin to consider the season, you 876 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: also got to consider what do you you know what 877 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: you're talking the ends starting this thing at the end 878 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: of the summer and finishing around January one, are you 879 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: thinking about the good questions season? Well in the January 880 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,760 Speaker 1: and the question, um, and from from my standpoint, remember 881 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: I'm not corporate. I'm just a long time I mean 882 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: a long long time fan and season ticket holder. Um, 883 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,919 Speaker 1: you you lay and this is what it would be 884 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: if you lay another eighteen hundred bucks on me. I 885 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,439 Speaker 1: got to think about how I spend my entertainment dog. 886 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: And I just think there's a lot of people out 887 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: there across thirty two cities who are going to be 888 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 1: thinking the same thing. They better not they better consider 889 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: impact of this on their partners. Hey, guys, have a 890 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: great week. It was a long off season, but BOYA 891 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: went quickly. Thanks for your thanks for getting through the 892 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: off season. Thank you. And I think that last point 893 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: is a really good one. But well, you said there 894 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: are a lot of technacles to this, and that's really true. 895 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: And Lend was just bringing up other facets of the prism. 896 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: It's not that they're to be ignored, believes. I don't 897 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 1: want anyone to think that we're saying, oh, you know, 898 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 1: that doesn't count at all. It's just that there are 899 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: certainly going to be certain facets of this conversation that 900 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: are going to have a heavier hammer than others. And 901 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: you know it's in fact, to be perfectly frank with you, 902 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: they're probably even more angles than you and I can 903 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: come up with at this table that we don't even 904 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: know about. Absolutely, but I think we've hit on a 905 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: variety of them, which makes for a good discussion because 906 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: it's not so simple, and it reminds me of a 907 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: conversation I think we had the other day. And I 908 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 1: always bring up Dave Gettleman's phrase because it's related to 909 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: the roster. Decisions are not made in a vacuum. So 910 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,399 Speaker 1: this is another one of those conversations where you don't 911 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: make a decision in a vacuum because Lend brought up factors, 912 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,319 Speaker 1: I brought up, factors you brought up. I bet you 913 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: there could be facilities issues if all of a sudden, 914 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,239 Speaker 1: you're going to add all those extra games because of 915 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: concert bookings and everything else that stadiums are used for, 916 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: or absolutely I mean, or you know, I mean, Oakland 917 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 1: was one of the rare ones where the baseball team 918 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: was still sharing only football. You don't have to worry 919 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: about that elsewhere. No, but what about hold on the 920 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: new California stadium where you got two teams sharing a stadium, 921 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,280 Speaker 1: Giants and Jets and Jets. So in Baltimore the baseball 922 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,879 Speaker 1: stadium and the football stadium. Sure a parking lot. Yeah, 923 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: so all of that, I mean even in Cleveland, I 924 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: think multiple stadiums are so all of that is relevant 925 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: to the converence. Anyway, let's head back to the phone lines. 926 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: We got Richard in West Palm Beach. Richard, Welcome to 927 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live. What do you have for us? Hello? Richard? There, Richard, 928 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: you gotta listen to the phone, not the computer, right, 929 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: hear the computer? Chard? Come on, come on? You didn't 930 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: get open soon enough, could not make We just took 931 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: a sack. Well, I was using the baseball gu went football, 932 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: which is probably more appropriate. All right, let's see if 933 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: j and California is a tad more talkative. Jay, Welcome 934 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 1: to Big Blue Kickoff Live. What do you got for us? Hello? Hey, guys, 935 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: how you doing? We're doing well? How s Thanks? With 936 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 1: you doing right? Thank you? Um? I just wanted to 937 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: add an extra point to about the scheduled topic, which 938 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: is that these guys are already overtaxed as it is. 939 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 1: You know, we all remember how players competent, breakdown and 940 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: season goes on. So adding up the games is going 941 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: going to add to that. So I thound of a 942 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: kind of highlight solution, um, you know, thinking about this 943 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: issue for sometime, which is that you add an extra 944 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: week for TV purposes, but you actually just do that 945 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: by adding an extra buy so you have two bye 946 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 1: weeks maybe remover preseason. Well they've done that before. You'll 947 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: remember many years ago they did have two bye weeks 948 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: per team that that that's not unheard of, It's been done. Yeah, 949 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: So I think that would be a great maybe a 950 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: solution to go back to give the guys a little 951 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,919 Speaker 1: bit more rest throut the season, but getting extra week 952 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,760 Speaker 1: for TV purposes, which is, you know, I think for 953 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: for a large Parking fan base, how do you watch 954 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: it anyway? Rather than having you know, a fourth meaningless 955 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,239 Speaker 1: prec game, maybe add an actual meaningful uh you know, 956 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 1: a week of well but jay related to what you're 957 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 1: talking about. It actually goes back to the previous caller 958 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: lens point. The calendar I think has to be involved 959 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: in this conversation because if you eliminate two preseason games. Okay, 960 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 1: I know a lot of you are gonna say, well, 961 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 1: you move the regular season up, But Paul, here's the 962 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 1: other factor. If I'm a coach, while those preseason games 963 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: are going on, I'm also practicing, I'm still in training 964 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: camp mode. So if you move the regular season up, 965 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 1: you've essentially cut into training camp. You're limited as it 966 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,200 Speaker 1: is in physical contact and O T A S. When 967 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: are these guys putting the pads on? When are you 968 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: getting them mentally and physically ready for the season. That's 969 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: gonna then hurt the product. So now, if you want 970 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: to leave the regular season start time the same, just 971 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,880 Speaker 1: if you cut the preseason down. Now, okay, the regular 972 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: seasons going into January, the playoffs are being pushed back, 973 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: The super Bowl is being pushed back. Is everybody okay 974 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 1: with that? I wonder what would be the percentage of 975 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,480 Speaker 1: no shows for people who still enjoy their summers in 976 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,879 Speaker 1: August and maybe might skip attending game one or game 977 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: two of the regular season if all of a sudden, 978 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 1: you're starting the regular season. I'm talking about that. I'm 979 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 1: not talking about now TV issues, I'm talking about attendance. 980 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 1: I mean, look, Look, there are so many sticky parts 981 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: to this. Um. But you know we're talking about it 982 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: only because none of us really have any answers. Yeah, no, absolutely, 983 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,799 Speaker 1: you gotta do a great job of breaking it down. UM. Yeah, 984 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 1: And I just want to reiterate that. You know, if 985 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: I think it's disappointing problems when we see great players 986 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: in the league like Todd Gurley who wear down. It absolutely, 987 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,800 Speaker 1: it is terrible when stars get hurt, no question, nobody 988 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 1: wants to see it. Look, we just went through an 989 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 1: NBA Finals j where guys were wearing down and getting 990 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: hurt too. You always want to see games decided with 991 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,840 Speaker 1: full health, with the ideal roster. There's no doubt about that. 992 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 1: I think that's something that goes across the world to sports. 993 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,839 Speaker 1: And appreciate the phone call Jake so much, Wayne In 994 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,359 Speaker 1: you got it. Thanks for adding to the conversation. Let's 995 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,920 Speaker 1: head back to the lines as we move along here 996 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 1: on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Marco is in Connecticut, Marco, 997 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey guys, how are you all right? What 998 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: do you go for us? Great to be with you. UM. 999 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,360 Speaker 1: I got a quick comment and then a question about 1000 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 1: the roster and what you guys think about something. Um, 1001 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: maybe towards the end of the summer prediction. Um, here's 1002 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: my here's my here's my comment. UM. Sorry, I was 1003 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,839 Speaker 1: picking up something on your line. Okay, here's um a comment. UM. 1004 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about when I was listening to 1005 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 1: coach Srmer's last press conference this week. UM, I was 1006 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: thinking back to like when Kaughlin and Jerry Reese would 1007 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: deal with the media, and I always enjoyed, like, you know, 1008 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: just over the years you kind of understood they're like 1009 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,319 Speaker 1: cadence almost like with the with the media, what people 1010 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 1: are gonna answer, what they weren't going to answer. Over 1011 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: the years, you just you grow accustomed to that. And 1012 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,360 Speaker 1: now I'm starting to get accustomed to Gettleman and Shermer. 1013 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 1: And there are similarities, I think with the group and 1014 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,239 Speaker 1: with both with both sets, I haven't found anyone that 1015 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 1: is outwardly lied to the media or even around draft time. 1016 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,879 Speaker 1: I remember like Reese would never even give a name 1017 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,839 Speaker 1: about anybody, whereas Gentleman will, um, but he won't tell 1018 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,320 Speaker 1: you anything, but he's very good at just uh engaging 1019 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,879 Speaker 1: with the conversation. Here's my point is my point is 1020 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,400 Speaker 1: with Shermer, this week with the media. And believe me, 1021 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,839 Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter and I read everything that the media says, 1022 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 1: and they drive me crazy with a lot of the 1023 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 1: the big narratives. I felt like listening and I was 1024 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,880 Speaker 1: almost like rooting for Shermer as he was taking these questions, 1025 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,919 Speaker 1: and I kept saying, I'm like, coach, if you want 1026 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,319 Speaker 1: to hammer this close right now, you can't. And I 1027 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 1: think the media kept asking because they were like, hang 1028 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,239 Speaker 1: on a second, you're not saying ELI to starter and 1029 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 1: there's not a compet issue. And the only reason I 1030 00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,759 Speaker 1: bring that up is I listened when when last year 1031 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: when we had quarterbacks on the roster, and I never 1032 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,719 Speaker 1: would have thought that Davis Webb would not have made 1033 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,799 Speaker 1: the roster. But if you listen back to what Pat 1034 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,280 Speaker 1: Shermer found his active said he wanted in a quarterback, 1035 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it makes sense. Davis Webb didn't fit 1036 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,840 Speaker 1: all that criteria. We and he told the stad but 1037 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 1: we just weren't seeing that. It is similar to similar 1038 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,240 Speaker 1: to Beckham, we didn't sign old all the treat them well, 1039 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 1: they're not lying to us. And that's my only thing 1040 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 1: with with that first conferences, like he could have field 1041 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 1: it shut and he didn't. And you guys can comment 1042 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,320 Speaker 1: on that if you want to, but you I have 1043 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 1: a question anyways, Well, Marco, here's what I will tell you. Uh, 1044 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,799 Speaker 1: if you understand the game of football, and I you know, 1045 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,799 Speaker 1: you want to believe that the folks who were sent 1046 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,239 Speaker 1: out here to cover the team do have an understanding 1047 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,840 Speaker 1: of how the game works. I mean, that's part of 1048 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,520 Speaker 1: what we're supposed to do. It was supposed to have 1049 00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,359 Speaker 1: knowledge and was supposed to be able to put things 1050 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 1: in their proper context. I mean that's the job as 1051 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,279 Speaker 1: as a conduit to the fans. Well, then you would 1052 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 1: understand when a coach says that I want my player 1053 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 1: to be ready to play week one, he feels that 1054 00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,080 Speaker 1: way about all fifty three. He should not have to 1055 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,799 Speaker 1: explain himself as if his audience is a bunch of 1056 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,759 Speaker 1: third graders, you know. Um, And and that's really how 1057 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 1: I feel about it. I mean, look, I've been doing 1058 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 1: this for thirty seven years. I I I understand all 1059 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:31,400 Speaker 1: the nuances. I understand all of the inferences. I understand 1060 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: what said Howard said, what it means, what the context is. 1061 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,320 Speaker 1: It's part of my job. That's what comes with experience 1062 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,880 Speaker 1: and knowledge. Um. You know, if you got somebody who's 1063 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,759 Speaker 1: listening to him who doesn't understand. Look, if someone was 1064 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,200 Speaker 1: was giving me a press conference in a foreign language, 1065 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,400 Speaker 1: I would not understand it. And if I just got 1066 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 1: a dictionary translation, well then that's not doing it justice 1067 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 1: because I don't have context and knowledge about the background 1068 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: of that stuff. So then I would be at a 1069 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,920 Speaker 1: disadvantage and I would probably be asking foolish questions and 1070 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,319 Speaker 1: making incorrect assumptions, and things would be lost in the translation, 1071 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,440 Speaker 1: which is why I don't have press conferences where or 1072 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 1: to attend press conferences for things that I don't know about. 1073 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really that simple. I mean, if you've 1074 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,920 Speaker 1: got to swim in the pool, you better know how 1075 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,719 Speaker 1: to swim. And there are a lot of people who 1076 00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,279 Speaker 1: don't know how to swim, oh no, no doubt about it. 1077 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,280 Speaker 1: But you know, there's an asterisk next to the quarterback 1078 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,440 Speaker 1: position and when and when the first round pick at 1079 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,279 Speaker 1: number six was a quarterback. You know, people eyebrows get 1080 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: raised when it's like, oh wait a second, like you know, 1081 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,360 Speaker 1: because because because all over the league, if someone is 1082 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,400 Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback in the top ten, naturally there's a 1083 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,120 Speaker 1: conversation around this guy is probably gonna be starting, or 1084 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,399 Speaker 1: at some point he will be starting. Except in our 1085 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,120 Speaker 1: position at the Giants, it's it's a little different. And 1086 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,880 Speaker 1: and there's an there's kid gloves with that because we 1087 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,600 Speaker 1: have a veteran who's entrenched. Uh, there is a model 1088 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,520 Speaker 1: that supposedly we might be following. And I think that's why. 1089 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,239 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, Marco, hold on a second. I'm 1090 00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,240 Speaker 1: gonna ask you to do something, a piece of homework, 1091 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,200 Speaker 1: and then we got to run a piece of homework 1092 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 1: for you. I haven't done this, so maybe I'm asking 1093 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,759 Speaker 1: for it. But you know, we've heard Dave Gettleman talk 1094 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,520 Speaker 1: about the Kansas City model right when they had Alex 1095 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,080 Speaker 1: Smith and Pat Mahomes. I would I would take a 1096 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,319 Speaker 1: pretty good guess. And I don't know again, so I 1097 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,840 Speaker 1: could be wrong here, but I would take a pretty 1098 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,800 Speaker 1: good guess that. Had Andy Reid been asked about Pat 1099 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: Mahomes during his rookie summer, one of the things he 1100 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 1: probably said at some point during his conversations with the 1101 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,279 Speaker 1: media is that we're trying to get this guy up 1102 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 1: to speed as soon as possible, and we want him 1103 00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,479 Speaker 1: to be ready to go if we need him. I'm 1104 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,399 Speaker 1: sure at some point he said that because every head 1105 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,480 Speaker 1: coach in this league is responsible to make sure that 1106 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 1: all fifty three players on the roster that he takes 1107 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,600 Speaker 1: into Quan is ready to play in an NFL game, 1108 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,280 Speaker 1: because they're only one snap away from singing real action. 1109 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,440 Speaker 1: It's his responsibility to feel that way. And again, that 1110 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,560 Speaker 1: comes with knowledge of the game. You got you gotta 1111 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,960 Speaker 1: know where the guys coming from. Well and Marco, I 1112 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,880 Speaker 1: have the transcript in front of me. While you could 1113 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,160 Speaker 1: say Pat Shermer didn't emphasize this in every single one 1114 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 1: of his answers, he is on the record saying, quote, 1115 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,960 Speaker 1: we feel good about where Eli is. He is our 1116 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,920 Speaker 1: starting quarterback, and quote, I mean, that's an examining phrase 1117 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,439 Speaker 1: from one of the questions. He was asked the same 1118 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:37,640 Speaker 1: question seventeen gazillion times, but one of his answers brought 1119 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 1: that exact statement. So I understand every answer didn't bring 1120 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,560 Speaker 1: that statement, but one of them did. And I think 1121 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,280 Speaker 1: that's pretty clear, and I don't think it's also it 1122 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 1: goes back to Gettleman's response. And I don't remember which 1123 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,880 Speaker 1: pressor he said this at Paul, but he made it 1124 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,760 Speaker 1: very clear. It's not the team's duty to lay out 1125 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 1: what the plan is. And I think that holds true 1126 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,720 Speaker 1: Marco to any team, because you know why the plan 1127 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,840 Speaker 1: evolves in the plan changes. So hypothetically, if Shermoury Getleman 1128 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 1: were to tell you, this is exactly how we see 1129 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,600 Speaker 1: the season playing out. This is exactly who we see starting, 1130 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,800 Speaker 1: and then injuries happen, or you know, they see something 1131 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,560 Speaker 1: in a practice that wants them to go in a 1132 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 1: different direction. Why put themselves in a position, Marco? Why 1133 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 1: should any GM or coach put themselves in a position 1134 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,120 Speaker 1: where they get on the record on Juna eleventh, only 1135 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,800 Speaker 1: for then things to dramatically change on August eighteenth. It's 1136 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,400 Speaker 1: just you don't You don't gain anything out of that, right, 1137 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,520 Speaker 1: That's fair, Paul, Paul, And thank you Anson, Paul. Yeah, 1138 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,240 Speaker 1: I will give you a call back next week after 1139 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna look up some of those red uh check 1140 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,880 Speaker 1: check the Kansas City Star. That's the paper of record 1141 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,560 Speaker 1: out there that covers the Chiefs. And I'm sure that 1142 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,520 Speaker 1: that read probably said similar things. And Marco appreciate yeah, 1143 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 1: real quickly, quickly, I want to know what you guys, 1144 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 1: um take a shot, and think about who's the player. 1145 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,880 Speaker 1: One player each of you pick one player that we 1146 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,919 Speaker 1: are not talking about today, but you think will jump 1147 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,960 Speaker 1: on the radar before week one because of the trainee 1148 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,520 Speaker 1: camp that that player had. Okay, you got it, very good. 1149 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,280 Speaker 1: All right, Let's try to squeeze in the last call 1150 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,520 Speaker 1: and then we'll finish up the show with our responses 1151 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,600 Speaker 1: on that front. Kaiser's and Yonkers Kaiser, welcome aboard. What 1152 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,480 Speaker 1: do you got for us? So good to talk to 1153 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:21,120 Speaker 1: you too. I just love that that to Tino Meado combo. 1154 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:28,240 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Anyway, Paul, Paul, you look so, I mean, 1155 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,560 Speaker 1: what's your secret to look in that good? I don't 1156 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,440 Speaker 1: get it. Pasta and pizza. My friends won too many 1157 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 1: years out of the pizza. You gotta try that. They 1158 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,600 Speaker 1: the car You know, people tell me the carbs are bad, 1159 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,560 Speaker 1: but obviously look at look at you. I can't believe 1160 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,480 Speaker 1: it's all in the bots man. All right, So a 1161 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,440 Speaker 1: couple of things. I want to talk about. What you 1162 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,520 Speaker 1: guys are real quick, what you guys are just talking about. 1163 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,360 Speaker 1: It's not just the people who are there reporting. Then 1164 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 1: you get you watch NFL Network and you see Andrews 1165 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,760 Speaker 1: Siciliano and Kim Jones discuss a bombshell out of New 1166 00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,960 Speaker 1: York work when he did say exactly what you said, 1167 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,400 Speaker 1: that Eliza's starter and Daniel Jones has to put himself 1168 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,120 Speaker 1: in a position to play and compete, it's all he's saying. 1169 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,160 Speaker 1: And that what what any coach would say about a 1170 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,640 Speaker 1: backup quarterback and a starting quarterback. And it's unbelievable that 1171 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,560 Speaker 1: the headline or you when you watch TV, even NFL Network, 1172 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,000 Speaker 1: who you think would have some semblance of of decency, 1173 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,440 Speaker 1: would and Kim Jones, who wasn't even in the building 1174 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: at the time, would would just report what happened. But no, 1175 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,600 Speaker 1: a bombshell out of New York. But anyway, I guess 1176 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,960 Speaker 1: that's not just a hearer there. I just sometimes it's 1177 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,440 Speaker 1: just hard for me believe how they report on stuff. 1178 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,000 Speaker 1: UM one other thing, and I know Lance is Uh 1179 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,840 Speaker 1: has positioned themselves as an expert on this um the 1180 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,560 Speaker 1: Chicago Balls. The people are now talking about this Toronto 1181 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:56,720 Speaker 1: team maybe being even better than that nineties Lance. I 1182 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,320 Speaker 1: just you know, I know what your position is. I 1183 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,280 Speaker 1: know how hard you fight for those nine both teams, 1184 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,120 Speaker 1: But a lot of people are saying that you know, 1185 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,720 Speaker 1: they just might have been tough. So I'll leave it 1186 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,720 Speaker 1: at that. Um I, I really don't know what to 1187 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 1: what else to say, but it's just great team you 1188 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,400 Speaker 1: guys in the door days of the summer coming and 1189 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,520 Speaker 1: just you can't get more shmellk more meadow and more. 1190 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 1: To Tino, it's there's never enough. Thank you. Always appreciate 1191 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,919 Speaker 1: the insight that Kaiser and Yankers brings to the table. Well, 1192 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,080 Speaker 1: whenever I hear the words lance and expert in the 1193 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,280 Speaker 1: same sentence, I immediately think of the bowls. I can't 1194 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: help it, and you opened up Pandora's box for him 1195 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,160 Speaker 1: to go into that direction. I will leave it this way, 1196 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,320 Speaker 1: even though this is an NFO related show. Look at 1197 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,240 Speaker 1: how difficult it is to pull off a three peak, 1198 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,640 Speaker 1: is it not? Golden State Warriors did not pull off 1199 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,920 Speaker 1: a three peat. There's a team that pulled off a 1200 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,040 Speaker 1: pair of three peats in the span of eight years. 1201 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,680 Speaker 1: I think that's well said. I don't think you've got 1202 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,480 Speaker 1: anything that you're gonna bring up to debate me on 1203 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,200 Speaker 1: that front. To Tino, Okay, we'll leave it at that. 1204 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,840 Speaker 1: We've got nothing to add with respect to Yeah, look 1205 01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,960 Speaker 1: at him shrugging. For those of you not watching, he's 1206 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:04,800 Speaker 1: silenced on a more Giants related note. We have to 1207 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,440 Speaker 1: have something else. Here's the thing. First of all, Schmilk 1208 01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,560 Speaker 1: is waiting to eat lunch with us. So if we're 1209 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,560 Speaker 1: gonna extend the show, this is the day to do it. Okay, wait, okay, 1210 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,920 Speaker 1: all right, go ahead real quick. I'm not gonna say 1211 01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,880 Speaker 1: anything else. Just finish up. I think you'd be looking 1212 01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,000 Speaker 1: forward to this. This is paidback for, by the way, 1213 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,520 Speaker 1: some of the things that he said on the program 1214 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,600 Speaker 1: the other day, as if I don't see saladotes tweet 1215 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,120 Speaker 1: two of you guys, you think you pull fast ones. 1216 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,800 Speaker 1: I've got sources, I've got ears everywhere. Okay, big brothers 1217 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,960 Speaker 1: always watching this program whether I'm here, I'm just sending 1218 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,400 Speaker 1: out a message anyway. No, well, let's get back to 1219 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,680 Speaker 1: Marco's question real quick. Oh there was something else to add. Well. 1220 01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,520 Speaker 1: He asked about two guys that we think maybe right now. Okay, 1221 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 1: and you want to sign off with that, okay, Well, 1222 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,800 Speaker 1: you know I'll be honest with you. Uh, if we're 1223 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,840 Speaker 1: not going to talk about the rookie class, because we've 1224 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,200 Speaker 1: all discussed those guys, I didn't fined them now for 1225 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 1: the last couple of months. For me, I'm really curious 1226 01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:01,000 Speaker 1: to see how much additional steps Corey Coleman takes it 1227 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,800 Speaker 1: wide received to take my players. But anyway, go ahead, Yes, 1228 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,320 Speaker 1: you're with me on that. Well, I've been saying a 1229 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,440 Speaker 1: lot about Corey Coleman. Go ahead. I mean his speed 1230 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,160 Speaker 1: is unquestioned. Uh. Eli Manning just said a couple of 1231 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,440 Speaker 1: weeks ago that you know, he talked to Corey and 1232 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,720 Speaker 1: when Coleman got here during the middle of the last season, 1233 01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, he had some trouble with the playbook, was 1234 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 1: unfamiliar with a lot of the stuff, and but he 1235 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,240 Speaker 1: said to Eli, And this is Eli saying, now, hey, Eli, 1236 01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,360 Speaker 1: when when I got some of the stuff down, when 1237 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,000 Speaker 1: I felt like I knew what I was doing, I 1238 01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,600 Speaker 1: could really make it happen. And Eli seemed to be 1239 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,640 Speaker 1: very excited enthused about that. So the thinking that Coleman 1240 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,280 Speaker 1: will now have a whole off season to really try 1241 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,600 Speaker 1: to lock this stuff down, I'm pretty excited about what 1242 01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 1: he can do. And John and I were talking yesterday. 1243 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,320 Speaker 1: You know, Darius Slayton looks like he's going to be 1244 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,200 Speaker 1: a heck of speed burners in that wide receiver's room. 1245 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,680 Speaker 1: Could you imagine if both him and Coleman can do 1246 01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,919 Speaker 1: enough during the preseason to both make the roster, that's 1247 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,480 Speaker 1: pretty exciting. Well, there's a lot of depth and wide receiver. 1248 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,920 Speaker 1: I've said that multiple times on this program. I stand 1249 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,840 Speaker 1: behind that time will tell production wise, but I think 1250 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,920 Speaker 1: the competition at that three spot beyond is very intriguing 1251 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,360 Speaker 1: to watch. Coleman Slayden Lattimer don't lose sleepover because I mean, 1252 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,400 Speaker 1: don't overlook excuse me, because he was productive in his 1253 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,320 Speaker 1: flash moments last season when he was healthy. I'm going 1254 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,200 Speaker 1: to go in a similar area, and I'm gonna go 1255 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,520 Speaker 1: with Paul Perkins because I think Perkins is another guy 1256 01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,800 Speaker 1: right now that's falling under the radar. Paul, similar to Coleman, 1257 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:36,560 Speaker 1: because of either injuries that have halted his production, hasn't 1258 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,600 Speaker 1: been able to pick up where he left off earlier 1259 01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,160 Speaker 1: in his career where he was getting a lot of 1260 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,120 Speaker 1: playing time. Now, all of a sudden, the opportunities there 1261 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,440 Speaker 1: to try to solidify a spot at the running back position. 1262 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,320 Speaker 1: They like his skill set. I think he's looked good 1263 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,440 Speaker 1: during the course of the all season program for what 1264 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,520 Speaker 1: they've asked him to do as a receiver and a runner. 1265 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,640 Speaker 1: Now he's got to take it to the next level 1266 01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,040 Speaker 1: once they put the pads on. So Perkins I can 1267 01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,360 Speaker 1: see as a guy that right now, okay, everybody's focusing 1268 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,000 Speaker 1: on Safe Kwan and Wayne Goldman and they're looking at 1269 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,160 Speaker 1: the fullback position, but Paul Perkins gets lost in translation. 1270 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:08,920 Speaker 1: That would be a guy that I think we may 1271 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,840 Speaker 1: be talking about a training camp once they get into 1272 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more physical activity. That's a good answer, 1273 01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,520 Speaker 1: except that during the regular season, I don't think you'll 1274 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,520 Speaker 1: have enough of a role that by you know, Week 1275 01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,880 Speaker 1: one will be talking a lot about him. But I 1276 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,200 Speaker 1: like more of an age I think he does. I 1277 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,000 Speaker 1: think he does. And by the way, I do think 1278 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,800 Speaker 1: Paul Perkins will make the fifty three. That's an early 1279 01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,320 Speaker 1: pick from me. You guys know how much I've liked 1280 01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,919 Speaker 1: this kid now for a few years. So anyway, Well, 1281 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,080 Speaker 1: just one other tidbit that I would add. If if 1282 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna base it on who do you think is 1283 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,560 Speaker 1: actually gonna make an indent in the regular season, then 1284 01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,360 Speaker 1: I would throw out Cody Lattimer In that conversation. I 1285 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,480 Speaker 1: think Corey Coleman and Lattimer both have a great opportunity 1286 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,120 Speaker 1: ahead of themselves depending on what they produced, because the 1287 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,640 Speaker 1: third wide receiver spot is very wide open at this point. Well, 1288 01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 1: here's the best news of all. With an improved offensive line, 1289 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,680 Speaker 1: it means ELI has more of time, and it means 1290 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,000 Speaker 1: those guys have more time to run their routes and 1291 01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,960 Speaker 1: to get open and the passing game should flourish absolutely 1292 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,160 Speaker 1: all right, that is gonna wrap up the latest edition 1293 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,840 Speaker 1: of Big Blue Kickoff Live. Appreciate all the callers. I 1294 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,600 Speaker 1: know we didn't get too many tweets. As always, will 1295 01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,720 Speaker 1: try to address those off the air. We're back up 1296 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:21,240 Speaker 1: and running on Monday, starting at noon Eastern. Enjoy your 1297 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,880 Speaker 1: weekend up coming and reminder Big Blue Kickoff Live as 1298 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,760 Speaker 1: always presented by Corps Light but Paul Blah for Paul 1299 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,800 Speaker 1: to Tino Lance Medo. Easier said than done. See you 1300 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,440 Speaker 1: get me flustered here and there. This is the latest 1301 01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,600 Speaker 1: edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live. We'll speak to you 1302 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:36,360 Speaker 1: next week. Have a going