WEBVTT - Give Me Thread Until I’m Dead 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.840 It's one thirty two am at a dumpy little office 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:09.440 building in beautiful downtown Culver City and you're listening tonight. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:22.319 Call Hey everyone. I am Molly Lambert and today I 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:26.320 have my special friends with me, Test Lynch and Emily 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:31.720 Orshida in New York. Hey, guys, Hi. Um, I love 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.879 our dumpy little office building in Culver City. Uh, you know, 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.640 not quite as nice as the Audio Boom studio, but 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.639 um a good place to turn out some content. As 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.200 you might have learned this week, our cubicle is very 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:50.519 well sound engineered. Molly wrote a really interesting piece this 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.920 week on RII Zone. Uh is that is that? Right? 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.240 I was kind of Uh. It has a lot of 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.840 a lot of terms. It's like the net art anthology 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:04.839 at Rhizome for the New Museum. Got it? Um? Yeah? 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:09.560 About your favorite in mine Jack FM, the original Spotify 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:15.319 playlist Yeah. Um. My my friend, the artist Guthrie Lonergan 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.240 did a project called point one JACKFM, Los Angeles two 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.679 thousand eight that is up on an online exhibition on 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:26.399 right Zone Right now. That is a net art anthology exhibition, 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.480 And they asked me if I would write an essay 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.680 about it, and I said sure, I would love to 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.479 um and it is also up on their website. Because 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:39.240 I love Jack f M. I love thinking about Jack FM, 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:44.120 and Guthrie did this really amazing project where he kind 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:48.560 of like scraped an algorithm basically in two thousand and eight, 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.280 the Jack of M put up of their last three 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.360 songs to sort of try and make sense of what 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.800 the Jack FM formula is. Uh. Jack of EM for 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.520 those who might not know, is a radio format uh 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:05.360 that just kind of plays randomly through an algorithm. I think. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.960 Isn't their logline basically, we play what we want, but 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.080 it's like we is the machine. Yeah, we as the 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.320 machine and what we want is like you know, I 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.399 got this projects was sort of trying to figure out, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.120 like what what are the parameters of playing what we 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:25.160 want for JACKFM? And it's fascinating because it makes you crazy, 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.080 like trying to figure out what the zodiac is all about. 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.359 To be clear, so Jack does not exist, but he 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.800 there's a voice actor who has always been Jack. I 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.840 think it's based off of you said, a Canadian station 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.720 called Bob FM and Dave FM. I did a close rate. 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:48.399 I'm fascinated by this. Canadians invented the Jack FM format. Yeah. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.920 They invented it as Bob FM, and then it spawned 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.320 offshoots that were like Joe FM, Dave that, but yeah, 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:59.880 I like that. Their American version is jack Yeah. And 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.760 I used it as an opportunity to talk about Wolfman Jack, 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:07.519 who is a great DJ, and just talk about DJs 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.000 and freeform radio and algorithms and all things I like. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.760 So check it out if you are looking for something 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:15.440 to read on the internet. It was really fun to 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:22.000 right the nightcall Twitter ya. But also, okay, Moll, you 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.160 just said you like Jack FM, but in the piece 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.519 it sounded kind of like you didn't like Jack. No. 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.000 I do like Jack FM. I come to it for 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.840 something other than like finding out about new music. But 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.360 I'm saying that I like about it is it's like 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:38.880 it's just a weird format because it is about like 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.800 being nostalgic for listening to badly compressed radio versions of things. 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.200 Um and I you know, I'm not a purist. I 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.400 listened to badly compressed radio all the time, just when 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.560 I'm driving, even though I could like listen to real 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.240 music off of my phone at this point. But there's 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.640 something very comforting about just like someone else is choosing. 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.960 It's the Proustian into the commute. Yeah, it's like, you know, 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.720 a commute in a bottle. I always felt that the 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.160 jack FM, that taste level or zone of jack if 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.240 I'm kind of felt like if you walked into any 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.360 like bar at a hotel that had like hot wings, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.160 but it was sort of a little bit sad. But 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.440 that's they would basically really playing jack FM. Jack if 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.880 M is where everybody knows your name. Yeah, see every 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:28.120 Man's Playlist or something. Yeah. And what I was saying 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.480 also is like other radio stations that are corporate and 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.760 owned by our radio, the new name of clip channel, 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.960 you know the details there aren't really picking the records either. 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.560 They're like, oh, we're gonna play you know this Chris 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.560 Brown record this. They act like they're picking it. Oh yeah, 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.760 I can't wait to hear that that new CARDI B 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.599 I'm going to play it for you next hour. And 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.599 it's like, well, you have to play it like five 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.880 times an hour. Hence God's Plan being on like every 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.200 five minutes. When I've been renting a car over the 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.320 last month, I was just talking about this at a 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.760 work meeting because we're talking about God's Plan and how 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.440 it's like totally mediocre but still managed to get to 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.159 the top of the charts. And I'm like, yeah, they're 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.520 playing it every three minutes on every single station, Like 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.400 in Los Angeles at least when I had a rental 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.080 car there, and then in New York when I had 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:12.800 a rental van out here, I was just listening to 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.640 that song NonStop, right in the way. The DJs are like, 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.200 we're going to play it because we can't wait to 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.440 hear it. Oh man, I love this one. Someone paid 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.640 you to play it. Um. But that's also how songs 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:24.920 like get in the popular consciousness and then everyone's like, 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.040 gott to hear it again. What's the deal? Does does 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.840 Ka DA decades DJs still pick their own music then? 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.440 Or is because Kate was bought by what a Chinese 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.520 corporation I think a couple of years ago and then 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.120 but then it continued to broadcast as Kada But Katie 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.839 always has this. They've at least convinced me. But maybe 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.640 it's an illusion that the DJs are choosing things. It's 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:52.800 an illusion thanks a lot. They're they're like a classic 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.120 rock station, but for Wrath, so it's still just like 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.960 there's like a list of like five thousand songs they 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.880 play whatever order. It just was novel at the time 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.800 because we were like, oh, look, it's like a classic 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.800 rock stadi station but for wraps right. I think I'm 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.839 still just sad because what was it one one hundred 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.120 point three? There was a classic round station that recently Yeah, no, 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.680 well Indie died a while ago then not. I think 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.359 it was one d point three. It was a classic 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.560 rock station and they just ceased airing a couple of 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.360 weeks ago and became like a Christian station. Oh is 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.200 that the one that has those billboards that's like music 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.479 for calming your life? Probably you know what I'm talking about. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.200 I've seen the billboards and they're really good because they're 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:40.640 really black mirrory because they yeah, they don't say anything 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.800 about what the format is. They just say one hundred 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.919 point three and it's like against a background of clouds, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.240 which is how you know it's maybe a spiritual and 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.640 you're going to die well listening to it, it just 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:58.080 says encouraging music as opposed to all those mainstream discouraging 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.279 music stations. In makes me want to listen to and 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.120 I see the Billboard. I'm like, I could use some 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.359 in coreger encouraging you towards the wrong thing. I totally 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.360 end up listening to Christian music on road trips. I guess, yeah, 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.680 I just like the gospel is good. I like dipping in. Yeah, 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.240 it's good. But they didn't have to take the classic rock. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.120 But that's the thing is. Now you can find if 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.560 you want, like a good classic rock station their satellite radio. 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.280 And no, you know, nobody listens to FM radio except 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:30.480 people in their cars on commutes or just driving around randomly. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.120 Like guys. Uh, So it's interesting. I like, I like 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.680 thinking about stuff like that. So thanks, Thanks Rizome, and 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.720 thanks Guthrie Loan again. Um My my genius artist friend 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:47.120 who is very good at the Internet and art. Speaking 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:59.640 of art, nice uplift, speaking of encouragement, encouraging. Yeah, um, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.559 you guys finally got around to seeing Phantom Thread, which 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.800 we did. We should preface by saying this was somewhat 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.480 at the recommendation of a listener who called in a 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.880 while ago, but also just my general battery as well 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.040 to both of you guys, so that we could talk 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.360 about it. Um, tell me about your experience. Well, now 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.440 I have an excuse to post the caption give Me 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:26.120 Thread Till I'm dead that I've been planning on. That's 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:30.559 the title of this episode. Yes, I'm gonna let test 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:36.160 take it. Don't do this test encouragement. UM. I have 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.000 a lot of good things to say about Phantom Thread, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.079 things I liked, but in the end, I'm going to 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.640 say that I probably liked it the least of all 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:49.480 of us. I'm guessing um my favorite. I had two 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.440 of my favorite scenes that I thought made it a 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:57.720 great movie for me alone was the dunking of a 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:04.079 spear of asparagus into old butter, the sound effects of eating. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.360 I love all of these things. And then um, there 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.800 was an exchange between um between the House of Woodcock 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:20.640 get It Together Together the look. I thought it was 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.000 a very very funny movie. I thought it was beautiful 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.880 and very luscious. And I also was kind of like, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:31.280 I don't care that I don't care very much about 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:37.280 the relationship between a narcissistic artist and his muse, and 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.360 I don't care about bespoke fashion, and I didn't. I 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.760 just found myself a little alienated. But I still really 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.760 enjoyed it. It's just it didn't it didn't punch any 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:53.120 buttons for me. Molly's sitting here like gleefully. She loved it. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:56.680 I loved it. And then I went home and I 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.199 made a list of the first time I've taken notes 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.120 for the podcast. I'd like to read. I like to 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:06.679 read my notes. Yes, please live reading here in minutes. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:13.440 Phantom Thread notes, Uh, eyes wide shut is my first note. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:19.480 My second note is Sam and Diane Um The Phantom 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:25.760 of the Opera, Preda Porte Wondering Heights. Those are my notes. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.800 Preda Porte, the Altman film. Yeah, oh my god, let's 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:35.160 bring it back the most. It's so good. Yeah, no, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.200 it is what it is. It's it's a great movie 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.640 about the fashion world, and how many of those are 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:47.199 there aside from arguably the first to lander movie. That's true. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.959 So you were how would you describe your your your 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.560 feeling after leaving the movie, because I had a very 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.440 particular one. I mean, you said you really needed a 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.520 stiff drink. We really needed a stiff drink in like 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:06.520 the middle, a stiff drink break. We were just it 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.960 was it does make you. I mean we're talking about 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.960 it in terms of mother a lot too, because I 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.240 was like, are you more less stressed out than you 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.600 were ordering Mother, and Das was like, I'm less stressed out, 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:23.160 but I'm also like less engaged. Huh interesting, So I see. 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.600 I think these two movies are so like they hit 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.520 a lot of the same themes in a way that 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.520 I think it's like it's very fortuitous that we are 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.920 doing them back to back, um, because yeah, it's like 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:40.040 this this very particular the this domineering creative male persona 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:47.200 and his wife slash partner slash muse living with him. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:53.000 But who else relates to the dominating male persona? What Ruda? 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:57.120 Did you relate more to her or to him? Oh? 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.080 That's one of the reasons why I had to like 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.720 go take a rink afterwards, because I was like, I'm 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.400 both of them at the same time, and you don't 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.040 know which one I like. I don't know how to 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:09.840 feel about this movie. I don't know how to feel 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:15.400 about what it portends for my relationship and any relationship 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.559 in the future. Yeah, Like Tess is like, what do 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:19.719 you think it was about it? I was like, it's 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.280 about how like marriage is like mutually agreeing to like 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.160 kill each other slowly over a long period of time. 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.840 But yeah, like a little bit of poison. It's a 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.120 tiny bit of well do you know the story that 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.240 that um pelt Thomas Anderson has told about it as 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.960 far as its origins as an idea, Yes, because I 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.200 read everything. I don't. I don't. I mean it's kind 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.720 of love. So it's it's that, you know, he is 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.640 married to Maya Rudolph, and it's one of the most 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.440 enviable I would say, one of the more enviable show 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:52.760 business marriages, uh currently going. And um, you know, he's 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.000 a he's a he's an artistic man, and I'm sure 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.000 that he's maybe not always the easiest person to live with. Um. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.960 And there was some point at which he got really 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.400 really sick and was laid up in bed and Maya 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.160 Rudolph was like feeding him and taking care of him 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:14.000 and like realizing that, you know, when he's kind of 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.679 taken off of his game or like forced into into 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.880 physical submission via illness, that like suddenly their relationship was 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.080 so much more tender and loving. And uh, that was 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.280 the that was the beginning of the movie. And then 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.080 he called up by Lewis. It was like, let's make 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.559 a movie. There's a curb your enthusiasm about that that 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.120 it made me think of where like Larry gets sick, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.960 this role is like tending to him very tenderly, and 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.040 then she gets sick and he's like, what do you 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.520 want me to do? I feel like that somebody needs 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.800 to do the edit of of between them. Yeah, just 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:50.920 at the music cures over fandom thread. I think it 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.000 would be incredible, it would be perfect. Yeah. I thought 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.120 it was interesting too because I was like, Okay, well, 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.760 Paul Thomas Anderson, like, what the main thing we know 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:03.560 about him romantic is that he like only dates female geniuses. Yeah, 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.360 so I also thought it was like I was like, 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:09.000 he doesn't date like muses like Maya Rudolph is a 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.520 genius and then he did a Fiona Apple is also 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.720 a genius. So what happens when there's like two geniuses 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.200 in the room. Well, that's why I think he understands 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.640 the side of of um oh man, I'm totally forgetting 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:29.360 her name, but the creeps, but what's the asters name? Alma? What? Alma? Alma? 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:34.720 That's right? Yeah, just like uh persona? Um. Yeah. I 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.760 also thought she looked a lot like like the chick 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.280 from Persona? Is her name? Her official name is the 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:45.800 chicken the other one, the other one? Um yeah, b 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.680 B B B Anderson, Yeah yeah, yeah, um yeah no 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.360 she I mean I feel like that's that's what Phantom 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.880 Thread I feel like has over Mother. If you want 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.440 to talk about both of them as movies. About this 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:04.000 Dyna Amick about living with a creator in any sense 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.520 of the word, is that I feel like both sides 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:13.600 are equally explored and you know, dealt with. And it's 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.040 not like this one domineering person in one person who 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.920 has to you know, submit to the the whims of 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:23.840 that person. Like it's both. It's a it's a push 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.240 and pull, and it gives agency to both sides. And 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.080 I think that was what makes it so like it's 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.320 like it feels like something I haven't really seen that 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.040 kind of dynamic on screen before, because like, I totally 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.520 didn't feel like I'd liked a battery after watching it. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.880 H Well, Molly found an interesting quote from Jennifer Lawrence 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:47.240 on Phantom Thread, which would you like to read it? Molly? 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.320 You read it in the voice of Jennifer Lawrence. I 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.320 think you're too much fresh podcast. Okay, I'm doing it 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.560 in my own voice, but she said, I got through 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.880 about three minutes of it. I put in a in 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.600 a good, solid three I'm sorry to anybody who loved 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.040 that movie. I couldn't give that kind of time. It 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.320 was three minutes and I was just oof. Is it 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.560 just about clothes? Is Reynolds Woodcock kind of like a 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.920 narcissistic sociopath and he's an artist, So every girl falls 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:15.720 in love with him because he makes her feel bad 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.600 about herself and that's the love story. I haven't seen it, 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.920 so I don't know. I've been down that road. I 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.480 know what that's like. I don't need to watch that movie. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:29.320 First of all, the b queen Jennifer Lawrence doing the 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.400 thing I always do, which is to tell you a 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.840 whole opinion about a movie you haven't seen. But also 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.560 I feel like she's, you know, she's showing her hand 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.720 a little bit there, she's talking about Chris Martin. Also, 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.280 I'm sure she was doing She said this quote in 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.600 an interview with Mark Mayre and which also made me go, like, 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.920 what did Mark Marin think of Fantom Thread? Was he like, 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:55.760 it's just like me, Yeah, I have everything away, Um, 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:01.160 who are my guys? Um? But yeah, I was like, 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.440 she's also doing Howard Stern next week, so you know, 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:06.080 but I mean people were going hard on her for 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:07.960 even this quote. They were like, what does she never 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.800 want to work with Paul Thomas Anderson. I was like, 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.080 I didn't see the movie. Everybody wants to work with 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.399 Paul Thomas Anderson. And maybe she was like nagging him 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.480 because that's also what the movie would tell you. He 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:23.480 likes a spirited lady. Yeah, I mean, well this is 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.159 the other thing she kind of I feel like she 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.520 touches on this in her quote. And this has been 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.120 a like a low level debate I guess maybe kind 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:36.600 of among film Twitter is like, is this film, I guess, 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:44.119 advocating for Reynolds Woodcock's behavior or like yeah, and I 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.640 feel like it's so self evident or it's like it's 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.240 not necessarily like taking sides, but I think it certainly 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:54.240 recognizes that his his way of life. Um, maybe maybe 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.560 untenable isn't the right word, because it certainly seems like 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.959 it's been tenable and led him to success before. Then 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.640 it fits in person. Yeah, yeah, And and it's like 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:04.919 you can either find someone who's willing to like mold 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.520 their life around, like you're the you're the person and 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.800 they are standing that. They kept saying, she just stands 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:18.000 stand there forever, Um. But it's like it's also implied 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.080 that like if he changes anything about his working pattern, 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.200 it like affects his work, and like falling in love 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.600 fox up his work, which is also what Lala Land 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:30.240 is about. I was, um, you know, and is like 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.920 an interesting thing, especially for all of us are writers. 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.159 We like do a thing that you can only do 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.560 by yourself, that you cannot bring anyone else into and 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.360 you have to be like in a little like chapel 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:46.120 of the mind to do and that is weird for 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.800 anyone else who has to deal with it because they 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.560 can't do it with you. Yeah, I feel like there 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.480 was some I didn't read this whole interview, but I 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.800 think I saw an excerpt from it somewhere, which is 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.240 just the nature of everything now. But it was between 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:03.879 I think it was between Um Greta Gerwig and I 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.199 want to say it was Lord Um. I think that 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.439 was it. But they were just talking about the process of, 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.760 like you know, working on a body of work, whether 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.280 that's a film script or an album or something, and 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.399 how you do it, like the process of doing that 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.240 when you have a partner in your life and how 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.200 you know, a lot of guys are just as not 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.680 you know, understanding, it's hard to you know, adjust your 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.000 life around. Now, I'm going to go into this other 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.080 room in my life and work on a thing that 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.679 doesn't necessarily have anything to do with you at all, 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.200 And that's just the nature of my work. And um 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.200 And I was like refreshing to hear women talking about 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:43.040 that because I think that it's just as real, if 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:47.280 not more real, um to like build your your artistic 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:51.960 world versus the world that you share with your partner. Um. 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.879 But and it's also like the way women are socialized 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:56.639 to like you're supposed to be like taking care of 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:58.879 someone all the time. So being like I have to 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.000 just go do this thing like only I can do 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:05.360 it benefits you in no way and like self care. Yeah, 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:09.240 I hate the term self care. Also, one thing that 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.439 I really got obsessed with I and I liked about 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.800 the movie was how his hunger for just fat was 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.199 kind of ran through the whole movie, like he just 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.919 wanted like cream or fried thing butter. It just seemed 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.119 very British to me. But then I was also like, 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.040 why aren't there baked beans on the toast. No, because 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:33.320 he's fancy. But then it's like you saw him he did. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.160 He had the rare bit. You don't see him eat 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.760 very much. He sits there with the stuff and he orders. 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.159 But it's like when he eats the asparagus and then 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.280 he's chewing like one or two other times, but then 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.000 everyone else is like chomping. You don't see him eat. 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:50.120 You don't see them. Fuck, it's interesting because they only 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.520 kiss once. Right. Well, it's also like and there will 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.320 be blood. It's like he's the character and there will 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.120 be blood. Is also sort of like driven by these 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:02.280 immense lusts, but like not sex. And the milkshake there 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.800 was a lot of the drink it up. Also was 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.639 like was a little curious about the like when he 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.720 says he's a confirmed bachelor. She was like, oh, he's gay, 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.560 because that is what that Well, he because he's also 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.200 said that if he were in a marriage it would 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:19.200 be deceitful. I said, I said, that's because he would cheat. 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.400 That was clearly one meaning. But then I was kind 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.560 of like, oh, ho, I see where this is going. 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.040 I feel I didn't go there, See, I felt like 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.240 you said it would be deceitful because it's just like 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:34.640 to say he needs a marriage in his life would 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:36.840 be deceitful. It would be like walking through some sort 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:41.119 of societal you know, uh, norm in order to I 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.040 don't know, conformed to something. But he doesn't actually need 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:46.600 a marriage in his life. I did have the thought 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.160 that he was gay, of course, you know, obviously whatever 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.960 stereotypes about fashion designers, but like it didn't really seem 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.720 he was just I don't know, he just seems like 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:58.480 almost a sexual right. He's also what I feel like, 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.200 Daniel Plainview is a little bit like there's like some 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:05.800 references to Daniel Plainview being like impotent, uh, but all 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:07.800 he cares about his oil, and here it's like all 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.080 he cares about is like the lovely the lovely velvet. 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:17.359 I tweeted this after I saw the movie, and I 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.160 don't I don't get remember if it was right after, 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.480 but like, I kind of I feel like I stand 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.439 by this in certain ways, and I want to I 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:25.960 want to run it by you and see what you 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:30.199 guys think. Um, which is that Paul Thomas Anderson is 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:35.800 one of the best cinematic scholars of romance currently working well. 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.359 I love Punch Drunk Glove, and Tess also loves Punched, 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:42.600 which is one of my favorite romances ever. I love romances, 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.119 you know, like I like a big romance. Oh do 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.119 you well? Tess is kind of like, why did he 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:48.960 make this movie of all the movies he could have 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.120