Speaker 1: It's one thirty two am at a dumpy little office
Speaker 1: building in beautiful downtown Culver City and you're listening tonight.
Speaker 1: Call Hey everyone. I am Molly Lambert and today I
Speaker 1: have my special friends with me, Test Lynch and Emily
Speaker 1: Orshida in New York. Hey, guys, Hi. Um, I love
Speaker 1: our dumpy little office building in Culver City. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: not quite as nice as the Audio Boom studio, but
Speaker 1: um a good place to turn out some content. As
Speaker 1: you might have learned this week, our cubicle is very
Speaker 1: well sound engineered. Molly wrote a really interesting piece this
Speaker 1: week on RII Zone. Uh is that is that? Right?
Speaker 1: I was kind of Uh. It has a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of terms. It's like the net art anthology
Speaker 1: at Rhizome for the New Museum. Got it? Um? Yeah?
Speaker 1: About your favorite in mine Jack FM, the original Spotify
Speaker 1: playlist Yeah. Um. My my friend, the artist Guthrie Lonergan
Speaker 1: did a project called point one JACKFM, Los Angeles two
Speaker 1: thousand eight that is up on an online exhibition on
Speaker 1: right Zone Right now. That is a net art anthology exhibition,
Speaker 1: And they asked me if I would write an essay
Speaker 1: about it, and I said sure, I would love to
Speaker 1: um and it is also up on their website. Because
Speaker 1: I love Jack f M. I love thinking about Jack FM,
Speaker 1: and Guthrie did this really amazing project where he kind
Speaker 1: of like scraped an algorithm basically in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: the Jack of M put up of their last three
Speaker 1: songs to sort of try and make sense of what
Speaker 1: the Jack FM formula is. Uh. Jack of EM for
Speaker 1: those who might not know, is a radio format uh
Speaker 1: that just kind of plays randomly through an algorithm. I think.
Speaker 1: Isn't their logline basically, we play what we want, but
Speaker 1: it's like we is the machine. Yeah, we as the
Speaker 1: machine and what we want is like you know, I
Speaker 1: got this projects was sort of trying to figure out,
Speaker 1: like what what are the parameters of playing what we
Speaker 1: want for JACKFM? And it's fascinating because it makes you crazy,
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out what the zodiac is all about.
Speaker 1: To be clear, so Jack does not exist, but he
Speaker 1: there's a voice actor who has always been Jack. I
Speaker 1: think it's based off of you said, a Canadian station
Speaker 1: called Bob FM and Dave FM. I did a close rate.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by this. Canadians invented the Jack FM format. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They invented it as Bob FM, and then it spawned
Speaker 1: offshoots that were like Joe FM, Dave that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. Their American version is jack Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I used it as an opportunity to talk about Wolfman Jack,
Speaker 1: who is a great DJ, and just talk about DJs
Speaker 1: and freeform radio and algorithms and all things I like.
Speaker 1: So check it out if you are looking for something
Speaker 1: to read on the internet. It was really fun to
Speaker 1: right the nightcall Twitter ya. But also, okay, Moll, you
Speaker 1: just said you like Jack FM, but in the piece
Speaker 1: it sounded kind of like you didn't like Jack. No.
Speaker 1: I do like Jack FM. I come to it for
Speaker 1: something other than like finding out about new music. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying that I like about it is it's like
Speaker 1: it's just a weird format because it is about like
Speaker 1: being nostalgic for listening to badly compressed radio versions of things.
Speaker 1: Um and I you know, I'm not a purist. I
Speaker 1: listened to badly compressed radio all the time, just when
Speaker 1: I'm driving, even though I could like listen to real
Speaker 1: music off of my phone at this point. But there's
Speaker 1: something very comforting about just like someone else is choosing.
Speaker 1: It's the Proustian into the commute. Yeah, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: a commute in a bottle. I always felt that the
Speaker 1: jack FM, that taste level or zone of jack if
Speaker 1: I'm kind of felt like if you walked into any
Speaker 1: like bar at a hotel that had like hot wings,
Speaker 1: but it was sort of a little bit sad. But
Speaker 1: that's they would basically really playing jack FM. Jack if
Speaker 1: M is where everybody knows your name. Yeah, see every
Speaker 1: Man's Playlist or something. Yeah. And what I was saying
Speaker 1: also is like other radio stations that are corporate and
Speaker 1: owned by our radio, the new name of clip channel,
Speaker 1: you know the details there aren't really picking the records either.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, we're gonna play you know this Chris
Speaker 1: Brown record this. They act like they're picking it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear that that new CARDI B
Speaker 1: I'm going to play it for you next hour. And
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you have to play it like five
Speaker 1: times an hour. Hence God's Plan being on like every
Speaker 1: five minutes. When I've been renting a car over the
Speaker 1: last month, I was just talking about this at a
Speaker 1: work meeting because we're talking about God's Plan and how
Speaker 1: it's like totally mediocre but still managed to get to
Speaker 1: the top of the charts. And I'm like, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: playing it every three minutes on every single station, Like
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles at least when I had a rental
Speaker 1: car there, and then in New York when I had
Speaker 1: a rental van out here, I was just listening to
Speaker 1: that song NonStop, right in the way. The DJs are like,
Speaker 1: we're going to play it because we can't wait to
Speaker 1: hear it. Oh man, I love this one. Someone paid
Speaker 1: you to play it. Um. But that's also how songs
Speaker 1: like get in the popular consciousness and then everyone's like,
Speaker 1: gott to hear it again. What's the deal? Does does
Speaker 1: Ka DA decades DJs still pick their own music then?
Speaker 1: Or is because Kate was bought by what a Chinese
Speaker 1: corporation I think a couple of years ago and then
Speaker 1: but then it continued to broadcast as Kada But Katie
Speaker 1: always has this. They've at least convinced me. But maybe
Speaker 1: it's an illusion that the DJs are choosing things. It's
Speaker 1: an illusion thanks a lot. They're they're like a classic
Speaker 1: rock station, but for Wrath, so it's still just like
Speaker 1: there's like a list of like five thousand songs they
Speaker 1: play whatever order. It just was novel at the time
Speaker 1: because we were like, oh, look, it's like a classic
Speaker 1: rock stadi station but for wraps right. I think I'm
Speaker 1: still just sad because what was it one one hundred
Speaker 1: point three? There was a classic round station that recently Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: well Indie died a while ago then not. I think
Speaker 1: it was one d point three. It was a classic
Speaker 1: rock station and they just ceased airing a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago and became like a Christian station. Oh is
Speaker 1: that the one that has those billboards that's like music
Speaker 1: for calming your life? Probably you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I've seen the billboards and they're really good because they're
Speaker 1: really black mirrory because they yeah, they don't say anything
Speaker 1: about what the format is. They just say one hundred
Speaker 1: point three and it's like against a background of clouds,
Speaker 1: which is how you know it's maybe a spiritual and
Speaker 1: you're going to die well listening to it, it just
Speaker 1: says encouraging music as opposed to all those mainstream discouraging
Speaker 1: music stations. In makes me want to listen to and
Speaker 1: I see the Billboard. I'm like, I could use some
Speaker 1: in coreger encouraging you towards the wrong thing. I totally
Speaker 1: end up listening to Christian music on road trips. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just like the gospel is good. I like dipping in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good. But they didn't have to take the classic rock.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing is. Now you can find if
Speaker 1: you want, like a good classic rock station their satellite radio.
Speaker 1: And no, you know, nobody listens to FM radio except
Speaker 1: people in their cars on commutes or just driving around randomly.
Speaker 1: Like guys. Uh, So it's interesting. I like, I like
Speaker 1: thinking about stuff like that. So thanks, Thanks Rizome, and
Speaker 1: thanks Guthrie Loan again. Um My my genius artist friend
Speaker 1: who is very good at the Internet and art. Speaking
Speaker 1: of art, nice uplift, speaking of encouragement, encouraging. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: you guys finally got around to seeing Phantom Thread, which
Speaker 1: we did. We should preface by saying this was somewhat
Speaker 1: at the recommendation of a listener who called in a
Speaker 1: while ago, but also just my general battery as well
Speaker 1: to both of you guys, so that we could talk
Speaker 1: about it. Um, tell me about your experience. Well, now
Speaker 1: I have an excuse to post the caption give Me
Speaker 1: Thread Till I'm dead that I've been planning on. That's
Speaker 1: the title of this episode. Yes, I'm gonna let test
Speaker 1: take it. Don't do this test encouragement. UM. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of good things to say about Phantom Thread,
Speaker 1: things I liked, but in the end, I'm going to
Speaker 1: say that I probably liked it the least of all
Speaker 1: of us. I'm guessing um my favorite. I had two
Speaker 1: of my favorite scenes that I thought made it a
Speaker 1: great movie for me alone was the dunking of a
Speaker 1: spear of asparagus into old butter, the sound effects of eating.
Speaker 1: I love all of these things. And then um, there
Speaker 1: was an exchange between um between the House of Woodcock
Speaker 1: get It Together Together the look. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a very very funny movie. I thought it was beautiful
Speaker 1: and very luscious. And I also was kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't care that I don't care very much about
Speaker 1: the relationship between a narcissistic artist and his muse, and
Speaker 1: I don't care about bespoke fashion, and I didn't. I
Speaker 1: just found myself a little alienated. But I still really
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. It's just it didn't it didn't punch any
Speaker 1: buttons for me. Molly's sitting here like gleefully. She loved it.
Speaker 1: I loved it. And then I went home and I
Speaker 1: made a list of the first time I've taken notes
Speaker 1: for the podcast. I'd like to read. I like to
Speaker 1: read my notes. Yes, please live reading here in minutes.
Speaker 1: Phantom Thread notes, Uh, eyes wide shut is my first note.
Speaker 1: My second note is Sam and Diane Um The Phantom
Speaker 1: of the Opera, Preda Porte Wondering Heights. Those are my notes.
Speaker 1: Preda Porte, the Altman film. Yeah, oh my god, let's
Speaker 1: bring it back the most. It's so good. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. It's it's a great movie
Speaker 1: about the fashion world, and how many of those are
Speaker 1: there aside from arguably the first to lander movie. That's true.
Speaker 1: So you were how would you describe your your your
Speaker 1: feeling after leaving the movie, because I had a very
Speaker 1: particular one. I mean, you said you really needed a
Speaker 1: stiff drink. We really needed a stiff drink in like
Speaker 1: the middle, a stiff drink break. We were just it
Speaker 1: was it does make you. I mean we're talking about
Speaker 1: it in terms of mother a lot too, because I
Speaker 1: was like, are you more less stressed out than you
Speaker 1: were ordering Mother, and Das was like, I'm less stressed out,
Speaker 1: but I'm also like less engaged. Huh interesting, So I see.
Speaker 1: I think these two movies are so like they hit
Speaker 1: a lot of the same themes in a way that
Speaker 1: I think it's like it's very fortuitous that we are
Speaker 1: doing them back to back, um, because yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: this this very particular the this domineering creative male persona
Speaker 1: and his wife slash partner slash muse living with him.
Speaker 1: But who else relates to the dominating male persona? What Ruda?
Speaker 1: Did you relate more to her or to him? Oh?
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why I had to like
Speaker 1: go take a rink afterwards, because I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: both of them at the same time, and you don't
Speaker 1: know which one I like. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: feel about this movie. I don't know how to feel
Speaker 1: about what it portends for my relationship and any relationship
Speaker 1: in the future. Yeah, Like Tess is like, what do
Speaker 1: you think it was about it? I was like, it's
Speaker 1: about how like marriage is like mutually agreeing to like
Speaker 1: kill each other slowly over a long period of time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like a little bit of poison. It's a
Speaker 1: tiny bit of well do you know the story that
Speaker 1: that um pelt Thomas Anderson has told about it as
Speaker 1: far as its origins as an idea, Yes, because I
Speaker 1: read everything. I don't. I don't. I mean it's kind
Speaker 1: of love. So it's it's that, you know, he is
Speaker 1: married to Maya Rudolph, and it's one of the most
Speaker 1: enviable I would say, one of the more enviable show
Speaker 1: business marriages, uh currently going. And um, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a he's a he's an artistic man, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: that he's maybe not always the easiest person to live with. Um.
Speaker 1: And there was some point at which he got really
Speaker 1: really sick and was laid up in bed and Maya
Speaker 1: Rudolph was like feeding him and taking care of him
Speaker 1: and like realizing that, you know, when he's kind of
Speaker 1: taken off of his game or like forced into into
Speaker 1: physical submission via illness, that like suddenly their relationship was
Speaker 1: so much more tender and loving. And uh, that was
Speaker 1: the that was the beginning of the movie. And then
Speaker 1: he called up by Lewis. It was like, let's make
Speaker 1: a movie. There's a curb your enthusiasm about that that
Speaker 1: it made me think of where like Larry gets sick,
Speaker 1: this role is like tending to him very tenderly, and
Speaker 1: then she gets sick and he's like, what do you
Speaker 1: want me to do? I feel like that somebody needs
Speaker 1: to do the edit of of between them. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: at the music cures over fandom thread. I think it
Speaker 1: would be incredible, it would be perfect. Yeah. I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting too because I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: Paul Thomas Anderson, like, what the main thing we know
Speaker 1: about him romantic is that he like only dates female geniuses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I also thought it was like I was like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't date like muses like Maya Rudolph is a
Speaker 1: genius and then he did a Fiona Apple is also
Speaker 1: a genius. So what happens when there's like two geniuses
Speaker 1: in the room. Well, that's why I think he understands
Speaker 1: the side of of um oh man, I'm totally forgetting
Speaker 1: her name, but the creeps, but what's the asters name? Alma? What? Alma? Alma?
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah, just like uh persona? Um. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: also thought she looked a lot like like the chick
Speaker 1: from Persona? Is her name? Her official name is the
Speaker 1: chicken the other one, the other one? Um yeah, b
Speaker 1: B B B Anderson, Yeah yeah, yeah, um yeah no
Speaker 1: she I mean I feel like that's that's what Phantom
Speaker 1: Thread I feel like has over Mother. If you want
Speaker 1: to talk about both of them as movies. About this
Speaker 1: Dyna Amick about living with a creator in any sense
Speaker 1: of the word, is that I feel like both sides
Speaker 1: are equally explored and you know, dealt with. And it's
Speaker 1: not like this one domineering person in one person who
Speaker 1: has to you know, submit to the the whims of
Speaker 1: that person. Like it's both. It's a it's a push
Speaker 1: and pull, and it gives agency to both sides. And
Speaker 1: I think that was what makes it so like it's
Speaker 1: like it feels like something I haven't really seen that
Speaker 1: kind of dynamic on screen before, because like, I totally
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I'd liked a battery after watching it.
Speaker 1: H Well, Molly found an interesting quote from Jennifer Lawrence
Speaker 1: on Phantom Thread, which would you like to read it? Molly?
Speaker 1: You read it in the voice of Jennifer Lawrence. I
Speaker 1: think you're too much fresh podcast. Okay, I'm doing it
Speaker 1: in my own voice, but she said, I got through
Speaker 1: about three minutes of it. I put in a in
Speaker 1: a good, solid three I'm sorry to anybody who loved
Speaker 1: that movie. I couldn't give that kind of time. It
Speaker 1: was three minutes and I was just oof. Is it
Speaker 1: just about clothes? Is Reynolds Woodcock kind of like a
Speaker 1: narcissistic sociopath and he's an artist, So every girl falls
Speaker 1: in love with him because he makes her feel bad
Speaker 1: about herself and that's the love story. I haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I've been down that road. I
Speaker 1: know what that's like. I don't need to watch that movie.
Speaker 1: First of all, the b queen Jennifer Lawrence doing the
Speaker 1: thing I always do, which is to tell you a
Speaker 1: whole opinion about a movie you haven't seen. But also
Speaker 1: I feel like she's, you know, she's showing her hand
Speaker 1: a little bit there, she's talking about Chris Martin. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm sure she was doing She said this quote in
Speaker 1: an interview with Mark Mayre and which also made me go, like,
Speaker 1: what did Mark Marin think of Fantom Thread? Was he like,
Speaker 1: it's just like me, Yeah, I have everything away, Um,
Speaker 1: who are my guys? Um? But yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: she's also doing Howard Stern next week, so you know,
Speaker 1: but I mean people were going hard on her for
Speaker 1: even this quote. They were like, what does she never
Speaker 1: want to work with Paul Thomas Anderson. I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't see the movie. Everybody wants to work with
Speaker 1: Paul Thomas Anderson. And maybe she was like nagging him
Speaker 1: because that's also what the movie would tell you. He
Speaker 1: likes a spirited lady. Yeah, I mean, well this is
Speaker 1: the other thing she kind of I feel like she
Speaker 1: touches on this in her quote. And this has been
Speaker 1: a like a low level debate I guess maybe kind
Speaker 1: of among film Twitter is like, is this film, I guess,
Speaker 1: advocating for Reynolds Woodcock's behavior or like yeah, and I
Speaker 1: feel like it's so self evident or it's like it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily like taking sides, but I think it certainly
Speaker 1: recognizes that his his way of life. Um, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: untenable isn't the right word, because it certainly seems like
Speaker 1: it's been tenable and led him to success before. Then
Speaker 1: it fits in person. Yeah, yeah, And and it's like
Speaker 1: you can either find someone who's willing to like mold
Speaker 1: their life around, like you're the you're the person and
Speaker 1: they are standing that. They kept saying, she just stands
Speaker 1: stand there forever, Um. But it's like it's also implied
Speaker 1: that like if he changes anything about his working pattern,
Speaker 1: it like affects his work, and like falling in love
Speaker 1: fox up his work, which is also what Lala Land
Speaker 1: is about. I was, um, you know, and is like
Speaker 1: an interesting thing, especially for all of us are writers.
Speaker 1: We like do a thing that you can only do
Speaker 1: by yourself, that you cannot bring anyone else into and
Speaker 1: you have to be like in a little like chapel
Speaker 1: of the mind to do and that is weird for
Speaker 1: anyone else who has to deal with it because they
Speaker 1: can't do it with you. Yeah, I feel like there
Speaker 1: was some I didn't read this whole interview, but I
Speaker 1: think I saw an excerpt from it somewhere, which is
Speaker 1: just the nature of everything now. But it was between
Speaker 1: I think it was between Um Greta Gerwig and I
Speaker 1: want to say it was Lord Um. I think that
Speaker 1: was it. But they were just talking about the process of,
Speaker 1: like you know, working on a body of work, whether
Speaker 1: that's a film script or an album or something, and
Speaker 1: how you do it, like the process of doing that
Speaker 1: when you have a partner in your life and how
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of guys are just as not
Speaker 1: you know, understanding, it's hard to you know, adjust your
Speaker 1: life around. Now, I'm going to go into this other
Speaker 1: room in my life and work on a thing that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have anything to do with you at all,
Speaker 1: And that's just the nature of my work. And um
Speaker 1: And I was like refreshing to hear women talking about
Speaker 1: that because I think that it's just as real, if
Speaker 1: not more real, um to like build your your artistic
Speaker 1: world versus the world that you share with your partner. Um.
Speaker 1: But and it's also like the way women are socialized
Speaker 1: to like you're supposed to be like taking care of
Speaker 1: someone all the time. So being like I have to
Speaker 1: just go do this thing like only I can do
Speaker 1: it benefits you in no way and like self care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate the term self care. Also, one thing that
Speaker 1: I really got obsessed with I and I liked about
Speaker 1: the movie was how his hunger for just fat was
Speaker 1: kind of ran through the whole movie, like he just
Speaker 1: wanted like cream or fried thing butter. It just seemed
Speaker 1: very British to me. But then I was also like,
Speaker 1: why aren't there baked beans on the toast. No, because
Speaker 1: he's fancy. But then it's like you saw him he did.
Speaker 1: He had the rare bit. You don't see him eat
Speaker 1: very much. He sits there with the stuff and he orders.
Speaker 1: But it's like when he eats the asparagus and then
Speaker 1: he's chewing like one or two other times, but then
Speaker 1: everyone else is like chomping. You don't see him eat.
Speaker 1: You don't see them. Fuck, it's interesting because they only
Speaker 1: kiss once. Right. Well, it's also like and there will
Speaker 1: be blood. It's like he's the character and there will
Speaker 1: be blood. Is also sort of like driven by these
Speaker 1: immense lusts, but like not sex. And the milkshake there
Speaker 1: was a lot of the drink it up. Also was
Speaker 1: like was a little curious about the like when he
Speaker 1: says he's a confirmed bachelor. She was like, oh, he's gay,
Speaker 1: because that is what that Well, he because he's also
Speaker 1: said that if he were in a marriage it would
Speaker 1: be deceitful. I said, I said, that's because he would cheat.
Speaker 1: That was clearly one meaning. But then I was kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh, ho, I see where this is going.
Speaker 1: I feel I didn't go there, See, I felt like
Speaker 1: you said it would be deceitful because it's just like
Speaker 1: to say he needs a marriage in his life would
Speaker 1: be deceitful. It would be like walking through some sort
Speaker 1: of societal you know, uh, norm in order to I
Speaker 1: don't know, conformed to something. But he doesn't actually need
Speaker 1: a marriage in his life. I did have the thought
Speaker 1: that he was gay, of course, you know, obviously whatever
Speaker 1: stereotypes about fashion designers, but like it didn't really seem
Speaker 1: he was just I don't know, he just seems like
Speaker 1: almost a sexual right. He's also what I feel like,
Speaker 1: Daniel Plainview is a little bit like there's like some
Speaker 1: references to Daniel Plainview being like impotent, uh, but all
Speaker 1: he cares about his oil, and here it's like all
Speaker 1: he cares about is like the lovely the lovely velvet.
Speaker 1: I tweeted this after I saw the movie, and I
Speaker 1: don't I don't get remember if it was right after,
Speaker 1: but like, I kind of I feel like I stand
Speaker 1: by this in certain ways, and I want to I
Speaker 1: want to run it by you and see what you
Speaker 1: guys think. Um, which is that Paul Thomas Anderson is
Speaker 1: one of the best cinematic scholars of romance currently working well.
Speaker 1: I love Punch Drunk Glove, and Tess also loves Punched,
Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite romances ever. I love romances,
Speaker 1: you know, like I like a big romance. Oh do
Speaker 1: you well? Tess is kind of like, why did he
Speaker 1: make this movie of all the movies he could have
Speaker 1: possibly made? Well, it's more like, why didn't he make
Speaker 1: a movie that I would like more? Why didn't he
Speaker 1: think what would she want? Like, I mean, I really
Speaker 1: I liked The Master. It wasn't my favorite, but I
Speaker 1: liked it. I liked it a lot, And this one
Speaker 1: is like a little bit shy of the Master on
Speaker 1: the on the gage, and I still love pt I mean,
Speaker 1: I love him and I love every movie he makes.
Speaker 1: Is you know there's there's nothing offensively bad. Obviously it's
Speaker 1: still a tour de force. It's still a great movie.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a question of like when you
Speaker 1: have a mind that that you know, filters things and
Speaker 1: turns them into these amazing movies. Like I just didn't
Speaker 1: want it to be about the dresses, man, You didn't
Speaker 1: want to be about the dresses. Guys, it's about I know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't about the dresses. Test was like, is this
Speaker 1: movie about capitalism, and I was like, kind of because
Speaker 1: it's about like the spoke. That's also quick deviation because
Speaker 1: Molly was recently telling me that Boss Baby that she
Speaker 1: was listening to a podcast where it was there was
Speaker 1: a good chop chop episode about boss Baby Baby is
Speaker 1: about capital and it's which totally made sense to me.
Speaker 1: This movie, to me, uh, falls into the category of
Speaker 1: Mother and Zodiac, of like movies that are about filmmaking,
Speaker 1: that are like, I'm going to pretend it's about this
Speaker 1: other thing, but it's clearly about filmmaking. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: when I was reading about it all night because I
Speaker 1: was like, I have to find the secret of fandom
Speaker 1: tread um. Uh. There was a thing about how he
Speaker 1: Pete Anderson was the cinematographer on this movie that he
Speaker 1: like didn't he couldn't get Elder's to do it, so
Speaker 1: he did it himself. He was un scheduled to do
Speaker 1: something else and he was like, I'm going to do
Speaker 1: it myself, which I was like, well, that's what the
Speaker 1: movie is about. It's like someone you can't let anyone
Speaker 1: else do anything for them, which is also like Zodiac.
Speaker 1: It's like I need to just like pour over my
Speaker 1: materials and mother he just needs to like work on
Speaker 1: his poem's like, you see what you're all doing. You
Speaker 1: see how you're making an obsessively detailed movie about how
Speaker 1: you're like obsessed subly can't stop thinking about details. Ever,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's very Um. I think that
Speaker 1: they're both kind of assholes in a way, which is
Speaker 1: kind of the point. Um. But I think like one
Speaker 1: another thing that people have kind of picked up on
Speaker 1: it is the fact that they bond over this thing
Speaker 1: where they have to go get the dress back from
Speaker 1: this heiress the sociality, Yeah, which is based on a
Speaker 1: real story. Um, that's like a real chapter in history.
Speaker 1: I saw somebody talking about that where they're like, this
Speaker 1: was like the thing that I wrote my my master's
Speaker 1: thesis about this, this you know, weird little oddball footnote
Speaker 1: in history about this, uh, this kind of scam artist
Speaker 1: guy marry marrying this um kind of past marrying age
Speaker 1: heiress and and like this disastrous marriage that ensued. Um
Speaker 1: that is based on like that's what it was based
Speaker 1: on in the movie. But um uh, but yeah, that
Speaker 1: they kind of that's where they bond is like going
Speaker 1: to like steal the dress back from her, like shame
Speaker 1: her for for behaving poorly in the dress, and like
Speaker 1: they're both like, right, yeah, we're both assholes. He falls
Speaker 1: in love with her because she's like I'm crazy too. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: we're also we haven't even talked about Cyril Cereal. I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, I think everybody really loves Cyril. A
Speaker 1: woman named Cyril, A woman named Cyril Um that was
Speaker 1: kind of like the heart and soul of the movie
Speaker 1: to me. Uh, and I identified more with And you
Speaker 1: were also like, is there incest? Is the plot twist
Speaker 1: going to be incest? Waiting for that too? I had
Speaker 1: my I had my kind of up for all sorts
Speaker 1: of things in this movie that didn't end up like
Speaker 1: coming to fruition, me too, But that's what I also
Speaker 1: liked about it. Yeah, yeah, weird portals. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: way it was the opposite of Mother, where you were expecting,
Speaker 1: you know, something that kind of made sense within that world,
Speaker 1: and instead it was just like a mine field where
Speaker 1: everything just blew up and like, you know, every possible
Speaker 1: horrible thing happened, and this was kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: look he has he's throwing up. Spoiler alert, spoiler alert
Speaker 1: but yeah, Leslie Manville, that was such an amazing performance
Speaker 1: to me to see to see someone so have such
Speaker 1: stillness and and to be able to control your face
Speaker 1: that way, it's like to really make it into this
Speaker 1: like mask. It's I love it. I like this movie
Speaker 1: as like the inverse of Boogie Nights too, where I
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, if somebody was like, you
Speaker 1: can go make a movie in England, because he's never
Speaker 1: made a movie outside the West Coast, really he like
Speaker 1: Heart eight is in Reno, and then all the other
Speaker 1: movies have been in California. So this was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like the light in England. The way that
Speaker 1: the light is in this movie is just like the
Speaker 1: polar opposite of the San Fernando Valley. It's like it
Speaker 1: white and clean and yeah yeah, and then the light
Speaker 1: here is all just like beautiful and blue and hazy
Speaker 1: and everything. You know, everything's either like fire lit or
Speaker 1: like totally foggy. It's diffused. It's naturally diffused because of smog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it just felt very kuber key to me, which
Speaker 1: must be how it feels for anyone who like gets
Speaker 1: to go make a movie in England with a big budget,
Speaker 1: because I think this was just maybe his biggest budget movie. Also,
Speaker 1: what was that thirty five million? I think yeah. So
Speaker 1: just like that big party scene, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're in the shining now because we're at a weird
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve party. That wasn't clear to me. That
Speaker 1: scene that she got like kind of hustled around. She
Speaker 1: was like, your life sucks. You never go out. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be married to basically went to a
Speaker 1: rave by herself and he went and then she was
Speaker 1: having fun and he sees her and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden she's abruptly not having fun. But I felt
Speaker 1: as though she should have been having less fun. Somebody
Speaker 1: like knocked into her, and then she was like this
Speaker 1: isn't funny, more fun anymore. And he was like, it's
Speaker 1: time to go home, and she was like, you're right.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're in a codependent relationship, man, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like any movie that interrogates like
Speaker 1: the direct or actress relationship because it's one of the
Speaker 1: weirdest things in the world. And that's why Mother was
Speaker 1: so weird, because you were like, okay, but actually for real,
Speaker 1: uh so, of course, Jennifer Lawrence couldn't handle this. She
Speaker 1: like just went through it for the fifth time. I
Speaker 1: will say, even knowing how fucked up that relationship that
Speaker 1: the the designer muse relationship or whatever, um you know,
Speaker 1: substituted is on screen, the images of them, like when
Speaker 1: they're doing the campaign photo shoot and he's on the
Speaker 1: floor like gazing up at her and she's wearing that
Speaker 1: I like I Well. First of all, Paul Thomas Anderson
Speaker 1: is great at doing scenes of people getting their photos
Speaker 1: taken in olden times because it's also in the master uh,
Speaker 1: and it makes you think about how those images look
Speaker 1: when you see them in the present day and like
Speaker 1: what actually was going on when they were shot um,
Speaker 1: because when it's like face falls when he's like looking
Speaker 1: up at her and then it's like cut. Yeah, there's um.
Speaker 1: But just the image itself, even knowing all that and
Speaker 1: all the baggage that's there, I'm like, I want a
Speaker 1: photo like that so it looks so fantastic, um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's I I liked it a lot. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you you were the impetus for us to see it.
Speaker 1: I liked it too. I feel like it could have
Speaker 1: been anything other than dressmaking, and it would have been
Speaker 1: the same movie that weird. I was just like, it
Speaker 1: could be any He had to Daniel day Lewis to
Speaker 1: go and study up for a while while he wrote
Speaker 1: the script and everything. He's like that fashion. I was like,
Speaker 1: he made a dress and Test was like really and
Speaker 1: that's why his thumb maybe was that was probably his
Speaker 1: real thumb. You know who I bet loves this movie,
Speaker 1: Kanye totally. This is also the thing where he's like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter, like I just met you, nothing
Speaker 1: about you matters except your proportions and that I can
Speaker 1: do whatever I want with them. And he's like, you
Speaker 1: have no breasts, I'll give you them if I want,
Speaker 1: if I want. And just the thing about like the
Speaker 1: woman who's like replaceable and you just find a new one,
Speaker 1: which is also a very big director actress thing. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's like the men stay the same from movie to movie,
Speaker 1: but you get like a new on genue every time. Uh,
Speaker 1: just you know, stuff I like to think about in
Speaker 1: terms of movies. It was a little hitchcocky also, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure reminded me of there's a lot of like
Speaker 1: poisoning people secretly in each comties. So, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: the suggestion to talk about phantom thread came from one
Speaker 1: of our lovely night call listeners or night callers. I
Speaker 1: don't know, is that what we should call them? Night callers? Um?
Speaker 1: And that person left a voicemail for us at two
Speaker 1: four oh four six night which you can do to
Speaker 1: and leave us any of your thoughts, questions, theories, uh,
Speaker 1: talking points, what have you. We also have an email.
Speaker 1: We do have an email too, It's Nightcalled Podcast at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. If you prefer to express yourself that way. UM,
Speaker 1: we welcome any and all. But we have a call
Speaker 1: this week coming to us from Conrado. Hi. This is
Speaker 1: Conrado from New York. And I guess I have a
Speaker 1: question mainly for Emily, since I know she is a
Speaker 1: big fan of anime and you guys were talking about
Speaker 1: Uri on ice last episode. So I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of Studio Jibie movies and I love them, but I've
Speaker 1: struggled with almost every other anime that I've seen. I
Speaker 1: think it might be the science fiction aspect that doesn't
Speaker 1: do it for me. For example, I loved the first
Speaker 1: half of your name when it was basically a body
Speaker 1: swap comedy, but then the science fiction kicked in and
Speaker 1: I turned out. Others that I've seen and have been
Speaker 1: underwhelmed by include a Kira and Ghost in the Shell.
Speaker 1: So I always hope and for some non science fiction
Speaker 1: enemy that you might be able to recommend. Thank you
Speaker 1: all right, this question, I feel like I couldn't have
Speaker 1: come at a better time, because I've been doing a
Speaker 1: deep dive on some vaguely not science fiction. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on what you mean, because I
Speaker 1: guess people mean a lot of different things, and they
Speaker 1: talk about science fiction, like do you mean you don't
Speaker 1: care for stuff about cyborgs or space operas are that
Speaker 1: kind of thing? Or it's really hard for us to
Speaker 1: understand people not caring about cyborgs. Yeah, it's it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to put myself in that space. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, there is and and and it is
Speaker 1: true that it's like very wrapped up and like like
Speaker 1: like there's a high crossover eight with Auntomey and and
Speaker 1: science fiction. I think because you know, you can do
Speaker 1: pretty much anything you want and animies and so why
Speaker 1: not make it be it's aliens and spaceships and stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: you also wrote a great article about Go to the
Speaker 1: Shell when the remake came out that was about sort
Speaker 1: of like why anime and science fiction go so well together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it all has to do a World War two. Yes,
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, atomic bombs. Um. But I have a suggestion
Speaker 1: after you, I'm going to leave out the one that
Speaker 1: I have. I have a guest you might suggest, But
Speaker 1: I also know that you've been watching some little Witch Academia. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't think that qualifies as
Speaker 1: uh as sci fi. It's there's so much fantastical stuff
Speaker 1: in an anime so and hard fantasy. Yeah, yeah, not
Speaker 1: so maybe soft fantasy. So that's like the name of
Speaker 1: my chill Wave act. Um. But I so what I've
Speaker 1: been watching recently, and uh, because they're doing it. I
Speaker 1: think they already did this in l I. But they're
Speaker 1: gonna at Metrograph. They're doing a little short term revival
Speaker 1: of mind Game. I Masaki Yuasa and he's like a
Speaker 1: very um he's like he's kind of not for everybody.
Speaker 1: His style is very, very expressive and all over the place.
Speaker 1: And um, his most famous film and the one that
Speaker 1: they're they're showing at Metrograph this weekend is UM is
Speaker 1: called mind Game, and it's like extremely trippy and involves
Speaker 1: the afterlife and being stuck in the belly of a
Speaker 1: whale and uh, there's just like a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: going on with it, and the ending of it is
Speaker 1: just like completely cathartic and incredible and kind of confusing.
Speaker 1: Um as as many of the best anime finalies are UM,
Speaker 1: but I would I would recommend UM. There's a show
Speaker 1: that he did that I'm starting to watch now. I'm
Speaker 1: like kind of in the middle of called Ping Pong.
Speaker 1: That's about ping. It's about ping pong. Um. It's sort
Speaker 1: of similar to Urian Ice and that's like very detail
Speaker 1: oriented about the sport that it's about and all these
Speaker 1: different competitors and stuff, and um, it's pretty it's kind
Speaker 1: a kind of very dry sense of humor, and the
Speaker 1: animation is really unique and pretty cool looking. Um. That
Speaker 1: would be my first my first recommendation, Molly, what about you?
Speaker 1: My recommendations? Um? Okay. One recommendation is for if you
Speaker 1: don't like things to be scary at all. And because
Speaker 1: I was looking for like mundane anime for a while,
Speaker 1: because I love just mundane British bakeoff anime. British bakeoff anime.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's also what I like Phantom Thread a little
Speaker 1: bit because I was like, oh, everyone's so repressed and
Speaker 1: like the steaks are so weird. Um. But there's a
Speaker 1: show called Polar Bear Cafe that is about a panda,
Speaker 1: a millennial panda who hates working and has to get
Speaker 1: a job working in a coffee shop run by a
Speaker 1: polar bear. And it is so low stakes and chill
Speaker 1: and I love it except all the animals are drawn
Speaker 1: really realistically instead of cute, which also makes it even
Speaker 1: cute or somehow so relaxing though, like the Silent because
Speaker 1: it's not like there's something. There's something. If they were
Speaker 1: super hyper cute and having huge eyes, you would feel
Speaker 1: really confronted by them on the street. But it's very
Speaker 1: they're really it's very realistic, and then they're also just
Speaker 1: very cute, even though they have like giant fangs because
Speaker 1: they're bears. Um a show that I also really like
Speaker 1: that I got into. Um, but it's really creepy and
Speaker 1: I can't tell if it's sci fi or not because
Speaker 1: I feel like it's sort of it's in like the
Speaker 1: creepy mystery category. Maybe is a show Higarashi When They Cry. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's maybe also called Cicatos When They Cry. Um, I
Speaker 1: forget it's based on a video game or if the
Speaker 1: video game came off the anime. But it takes place
Speaker 1: at a festival on an island and then some weird
Speaker 1: stuff happens. That sounds good. Oh, it's really good. Take
Speaker 1: place a Governor's ball. No, but there's probably some overlap
Speaker 1: with creepy backstory, so I recommend that show. I like
Speaker 1: shows that are like also about like you know, high
Speaker 1: school romance and then there's a cyborg right yeah, Like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of I mean, there's stuff that's sci
Speaker 1: fi because it involves aliens. But like I sincerely loved
Speaker 1: going and like discovering sat like for the first time.
Speaker 1: Um because I had seen just the move one of
Speaker 1: the movies and then I was like looking through it
Speaker 1: about a year ago when I was doing my short
Speaker 1: lived anime podcast. Shout out to its cool like anime. Uh,
Speaker 1: shout out to Michael B. Jordan's Oh my God, as
Speaker 1: if as if I needed any other reason, it's so adorable. Um.
Speaker 1: He set a Naruto thirst trap for you. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that that I mean that that's like about an alien
Speaker 1: girl who like is obsessed with this you know, ship
Speaker 1: head earthling boy. But it's like not really, it's just
Speaker 1: a romantic comedy. It's just like Peanuts but a little
Speaker 1: Pervier or something. I like that light sci fi where
Speaker 1: like everything is normal and then at the end you
Speaker 1: find out somebody was a robot the whole time. Um.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I was going to recommend, um, well,
Speaker 1: I was going to recommend it's also scary, but like
Speaker 1: Molly and I love Perfect Blue, which is more just
Speaker 1: like a kind of thriller. I was just thinking about
Speaker 1: that because I was like, that's not sci fi, but
Speaker 1: it like won't help you sleep and no no, And
Speaker 1: it's definitely like there's something kind of like kind of
Speaker 1: psychological at the very least going on in it. Um,
Speaker 1: it is a genre. It's like a crime movie. It
Speaker 1: feels like it feels like it's the Palma movie kind of. Um.
Speaker 1: But also Santos Coon's film Millennium Actress is probably it's
Speaker 1: probably tied with Perfect Blue from my favorite of his,
Speaker 1: and that one is like it's just about this actress
Speaker 1: who's remembering kind of her life intertwined with all the
Speaker 1: roles that she did over the years, and it's just
Speaker 1: really beautifully animated and all these sort of things. Because
Speaker 1: it's animation, you can kind of just like have these
Speaker 1: things flow, these different episodes in her life flow into
Speaker 1: one another very seamlessly in like a really incredible way.
Speaker 1: And um, I recommend that movie to anybody, whether they're
Speaker 1: into animation or not, because it's just a great story
Speaker 1: well told. As they say test tests. Are you watching
Speaker 1: any weird animated shows? Because you often introduced me to
Speaker 1: some very weird animated shows. You know. I'm getting a
Speaker 1: lot of my animated shows from children's shows right now,
Speaker 1: which by which I don't hate like I would say
Speaker 1: I did be lying they're really weird. I have been
Speaker 1: watching p J Masks, which is kind of like anime
Speaker 1: light and apparently my one of my children is very
Speaker 1: into cat Boy um, and that's a thing at which
Speaker 1: a lot of yeah, Catboy, he he is a boy
Speaker 1: who turns into cat boy, and then there's outlet who
Speaker 1: turns into an owl and one that's like a get
Speaker 1: go um, which I you know, I feel like lizards
Speaker 1: always get like kind of misrepresented in animation because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you'll have like a gecko who changes colors
Speaker 1: like a chameleon. You're like, those are discreet. You can't
Speaker 1: do that. I heard Rango is good, not Rango is fantastic,
Speaker 1: because it's like Chinatown Rango is great, and also Rango
Speaker 1: has it hits you on some visceral levels, like there
Speaker 1: are certain scenes that you'll think of I was, I
Speaker 1: was unexpectedly really really drawn to you were watching something
Speaker 1: for a long time that involved like planes with human faces. Oh,
Speaker 1: Planes Fire and Rescue, Molly the movie Plane starring Dane Cook.
Speaker 1: That was not my choice. Okay, that was really not
Speaker 1: my choice. Is that the Disney one that went straight
Speaker 1: to DVD or straight to Blu ray or whatever. I
Speaker 1: think Planes Fire and Rescue got a wide Really it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it's basically the like shitty version
Speaker 1: of Cars, you know which, By the way, Cars one
Speaker 1: I like still weep. I love I love cars, Cars,
Speaker 1: and Cars to was one of the worst movies I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. Right, Cars three was okay, none of the cars,
Speaker 1: but I love cars. Cars. If you love cars Land,
Speaker 1: you'll love Cars because it's just like like I wish
Speaker 1: it had no plot, and it was just shots of
Speaker 1: like root, just the cars driving around. The heartbreaking movie.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it's it's a very poignant movie. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen at this point, I've seen all of them,
Speaker 1: Like we're there's some really there are some really like terrible,
Speaker 1: terrible children's shows that I won't name, but I will
Speaker 1: just say that, Like it's strange when you get used
Speaker 1: to watching you know, this certain style of animation, and
Speaker 1: then you start seeing what looked like you know, mass produced,
Speaker 1: like very flat, like expressionless, you know, circular faces and
Speaker 1: stuff that are just going to be you know, they're
Speaker 1: being churned out, and like younger kids really like them.
Speaker 1: But even kids who are like you know, I have
Speaker 1: a I have a five and a half year old,
Speaker 1: and it'll sometimes just be like there's something off, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's called something being like bad like
Speaker 1: that it's because it has no quality too, Like it's
Speaker 1: it's bad, like that's you're reacting to, Like it's your
Speaker 1: first the intrusion of badness into your art where you
Speaker 1: can like discern that it's bad because it's low quality,
Speaker 1: and you can tell that that somebody does not respect
Speaker 1: you because they did not make this look better. But
Speaker 1: I mean, like Daniel Tigers Neighborhood, I hate that I've
Speaker 1: derailed Conrado's question this way. I'm sorry you've got the knowledge.
Speaker 1: I was never a Mr. Rogers person. In Daniel Tigers
Speaker 1: Neighborhood is like a spinoff of Mr. Rogers with like
Speaker 1: Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood's been going on for a while. I
Speaker 1: believe it's in it's like ninth or tenth season. Um,
Speaker 1: and it is. It's it's a very it's a very strange.
Speaker 1: It's it's all about emotions basically, and it takes place
Speaker 1: on this island that has like every single climate. It's
Speaker 1: like a beachfront and you know, it has a forest
Speaker 1: and it snows, but it's also like bombing all the time.
Speaker 1: They have all this like weird wildlife. There's an enchanted garden,
Speaker 1: but it's just like a bunch of animals having feelings.
Speaker 1: But they also have like there's this whole sorry, but
Speaker 1: there's like a royal family and their names are like
Speaker 1: King Monday. Yeah, they have a trolleys. Yeah. Anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: I was always a little confused by that because it's
Speaker 1: like they live in Mr. Rogers House. Now they're his neighbors,
Speaker 1: the land of make believe. It's the land of make believe.
Speaker 1: But I was always like, is he the god of
Speaker 1: the He's the landlord of the land of make Like
Speaker 1: those Twilight zones where you find like a miniature society
Speaker 1: and then you sucking up accidentally. So maybe at the
Speaker 1: opposite end of a spectrum on which one end is
Speaker 1: a phantom thread. I wanted to talk a little bit about, um,
Speaker 1: the modern online fashion retail experience, specifically as it pertains
Speaker 1: to well. We could get into it on a few
Speaker 1: different angles, but I mostly wanted to talk about Chinese
Speaker 1: fashion because I noticed something that I have talked about
Speaker 1: with you guys before and in in a offhand way
Speaker 1: or just shared links to, like goofy shirts that cost
Speaker 1: four dollars on romwe dot com. Um. But I kind
Speaker 1: of also had an experience that has to do with gowns. Um,
Speaker 1: uh fucking chic some fuy gowns um that led to
Speaker 1: uh some really interesting and hilarious googling. Um. So so
Speaker 1: if if nobody I feel like this is something that
Speaker 1: everybody's encountered, like just the the automatic ads for these
Speaker 1: sites that have very trendy, um you know, sometimes a
Speaker 1: little like actually weird and an interesting way. Um, like
Speaker 1: articles of clothing that are all these um these Chinese
Speaker 1: sites and everything is just like two dollars or something
Speaker 1: and uh, but that that exists also for wedding dresses, um,
Speaker 1: which has been a thing that I've had to investigate.
Speaker 1: And so there were definitely like a few dresses that
Speaker 1: I liked, and apparently I was not the only person,
Speaker 1: because they were popular enough that they had been ripped
Speaker 1: off by these um these Chinese sellers that are mostly
Speaker 1: I mostly ran into it on eBay UM because if
Speaker 1: you search for you know, whatever the designer is in
Speaker 1: the name of the dress and everything, then you'll start
Speaker 1: to see all these like thirty dollar wedding dresses pop
Speaker 1: up that look exactly like the one that you liked.
Speaker 1: And Um, I was like, this can't this, this is
Speaker 1: too good to be true, Like it can't actually look
Speaker 1: like that, And so I did some research and I
Speaker 1: sent you guys the link to the Daily Mail post.
Speaker 1: I feel like this has also been covered on BuzzFeed
Speaker 1: to just these like hilariously not the dress in the picture, dresses,
Speaker 1: the quotes from people in the article were so funnycuse
Speaker 1: they were like, my fifteen dollar wedding dress doesn't look
Speaker 1: like like five million wedding dress, but I thought have happened. Um,
Speaker 1: I wanted to know who were all these people that
Speaker 1: were like, I'm buying a fifteen dollar wedding dress. I mean,
Speaker 1: we all wanted to be real. I mean, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm in the process of planning a wedding right now
Speaker 1: and it is h not a cheap activity. And if
Speaker 1: you could save some money on some on a non
Speaker 1: address maybe, especially if it's address you think you're only
Speaker 1: going to wear once, which I justified my to myself
Speaker 1: so any moore because I was like, I am going
Speaker 1: to wear this more than once, um, and not have
Speaker 1: to be a wedding dress. But still, you know, people
Speaker 1: are off that you meant like, I'm going to have
Speaker 1: like ten weddings. Some use out of it. That's a
Speaker 1: black widow never cursed. Somebody should sew that into my
Speaker 1: my dress. That would be great. Um. Um. Most of
Speaker 1: these sites so I think, yes, style was when I
Speaker 1: had heard of, um, but yeah, some of them do.
Speaker 1: Some of them also sell on Amazon as well. Because
Speaker 1: I ordered something that was it was one of two
Speaker 1: times that I've ordered something and before I opened the box,
Speaker 1: I was like, what does this smell like poison? And
Speaker 1: then you open the box and it's like poison smell,
Speaker 1: Like it just pops out and you realize like this
Speaker 1: has been sprayed by like you know, it's chemically it's
Speaker 1: all made of like plastic and chemicals and it kind
Speaker 1: of comes off on your fingers and the sizing was weird,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, you, I want to hear
Speaker 1: an Amazon horror story. Y um. My landlord was like,
Speaker 1: don't order things from Amazon because like maybe from individual sellers.
Speaker 1: You know. He said that he had gotten a box
Speaker 1: from Amazon that had cockroaches in it when he opened
Speaker 1: the box, and I was like, that that might happen.
Speaker 1: That's horrible all the time. Let's never order from Amazon
Speaker 1: ever again. So that'll make life easy. You have to
Speaker 1: really look at the seller on it um and and
Speaker 1: you know, you check that stuff out because I think
Speaker 1: I think that Amazon kind of slowly became this global marketplace.
Speaker 1: Then everything looks and feels like buying from Amazon, when
Speaker 1: in fact you're shopping from like tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: these different retailers online like that was also in that
Speaker 1: kind of um similar to that video thing that I
Speaker 1: shared with you guys, that the the the YouTube industrial
Speaker 1: like Child's Magnet video thing. Um, you know, the super
Speaker 1: violent Elsa from Frozen videos. Yeah. Sorry, I was having
Speaker 1: a hard time tram to forgoe out how to describe that.
Speaker 1: But like there's the equivalent of that that he talks
Speaker 1: about that's on Amazon. Is like these companies that just
Speaker 1: make phone cases, but they'll just automatically create these phone
Speaker 1: cases from stuff that people google. So like there are
Speaker 1: all these medical images you get on cell phones and
Speaker 1: I guess they took them down because like but nobody
Speaker 1: was like paying attention to what was it was like
Speaker 1: medco sits bath cell phone. Yeah yeah, um but yeah,
Speaker 1: so like I've so I've had like some good experiences
Speaker 1: getting this stuff. This is a thing, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like sometimes these things gets get a bad rap. I
Speaker 1: got I ordered something, they get a bad I mean,
Speaker 1: sorry not to be the horrible person, but they get
Speaker 1: a bad rap because a lot of them involved sweatshops
Speaker 1: and slave labor. Yeah yeah definitely. But you know, so
Speaker 1: do clothes and department stores is the thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know I'm not saying that I don't buy stuff
Speaker 1: that is bad and I shouldn't buy it. That's probably
Speaker 1: my biggest weakness is like Forever one, you know, because
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it's so cheap, you don't think about it.
Speaker 1: I have. I mean, I I love and admire people
Speaker 1: who are like I've stopped shopping fast fashion places. But
Speaker 1: that's privilege. Not all of us. We have no but
Speaker 1: you know, uh, Lacy from Big Bud Press, which is
Speaker 1: like an independent fashion designer that I really like, she
Speaker 1: was posting because like Forever twenty one ripped off one
Speaker 1: of her shirts and she was posting about it because
Speaker 1: she was like, look at the shirt in the store,
Speaker 1: and she was like, somebody got paid to so this
Speaker 1: by hand, Like this wasn't like it didn't come out
Speaker 1: of like a machine like you want to think it did.
Speaker 1: Like somebody got paid not enough to make this. And
Speaker 1: like our shirts because we pay people the right amount
Speaker 1: and they're also handmade, uh and ethically made, you know.
Speaker 1: And I do think it's one of those things where
Speaker 1: it's like, sure, it's easy to tell people to buy
Speaker 1: stuff that's nice, but most people are going to buy
Speaker 1: the cheap stuff because it's what they can afford. Well,
Speaker 1: like I had to. I try never to a shop
Speaker 1: at H and M now, and I never really shop
Speaker 1: forever twenty one anyway, But H and M is like,
Speaker 1: for a long time was very convenient to my office
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. And I had an instance where I literally
Speaker 1: had to go to H and M because I was
Speaker 1: at the gym around the corner and like a shirt
Speaker 1: that I had, I just worn it so many times
Speaker 1: and it literally fell apart in the gym, so I
Speaker 1: like put my coat on over my my top and
Speaker 1: like ran into the H and M to just buy
Speaker 1: an article of clothing to cover myself up. I had
Speaker 1: to go to. I was like going to a wedding
Speaker 1: in New York, and I like had to buy a
Speaker 1: dress to go to a wedding, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to H and M and spend
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes and like the Midtown H and M just
Speaker 1: like trying on every dress inside. I'm sorry. I just
Speaker 1: love Times Square. As you know, you're psycho. If you
Speaker 1: don't live in New York, it's very easy to like
Speaker 1: Times Square because in your mind it just exists like
Speaker 1: in a snowblow. But I also love like Hollywood Boulevard.
Speaker 1: I just love I love seeing the people. Well I
Speaker 1: am a psychic. The other thing I the other I mean,
Speaker 1: I I agree. I'm glad that you brought up the
Speaker 1: sweatshout aspect because I think that is the most important
Speaker 1: thing to keep in mind. Um and my my main
Speaker 1: guilt right now is that, like, I have a winter coat.
Speaker 1: So when I moved to New York and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't wear like a like a little windbreaker. When
Speaker 1: I remember, because I remember right before you moved to
Speaker 1: New York, you were like, oh, maybe I can wear
Speaker 1: like a cute coat. Yeah, I'm so excited to finally
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to wear like my cute like Pendleton
Speaker 1: coat or something. And then like a month later you
Speaker 1: were like, this coat does not Yeah. No, I have
Speaker 1: to buy like a sleeping bag to like and I
Speaker 1: hate those things so much. Also, there hell expensive like
Speaker 1: a Patagonia coat, like a sleeping sleeping bad coat is
Speaker 1: like six hundred or seven hundred dollars um. Like if
Speaker 1: you want to have ethically sourced down in your winter coat,
Speaker 1: that keeps you, you know, from dying on the streets
Speaker 1: of New York. And when the temperature goes below, you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen degrees, I better make friends with some geese, my friend.
Speaker 1: I know, but but like I got so I got
Speaker 1: this coat then totally off of Amazon, and a total
Speaker 1: Chinese fash fash and down coat. And I don't know
Speaker 1: where the funk these geese came from, Like it's probably
Speaker 1: I don't even want to know. But this thing has been,
Speaker 1: you know, serving me for three years. I get compliments
Speaker 1: on it all the time, and I'm probably gonna have
Speaker 1: to retire it because it is sort of falling apart.
Speaker 1: And when I sit down sometimes a movie screens, there's
Speaker 1: like a little cloud of feathers that it's not the
Speaker 1: most well maint thing in the world, but it's keeping
Speaker 1: me warm. And it wasn't it wasn't six hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: It was like my number one. I'm like, I browsed
Speaker 1: those sites a lot, but I rarely actually order anything,
Speaker 1: but I like to browse in general. And there was,
Speaker 1: in fact, now that you say fucking chic, there was
Speaker 1: one that I always like, have my finger on the trigger,
Speaker 1: but haven't thought that is a shirt that's like the
Speaker 1: dog Day Afternoon logo. I like things for graphic design
Speaker 1: just gets scrambled. So there's one. There's one that's the
Speaker 1: dog Day Afternoon logo, but the text instead of dog
Speaker 1: day Afternoon says same chic, different day. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: how did this happen? Would I wear this? I feel
Speaker 1: like I have really I go through phases where I
Speaker 1: just really hate having to buy clothes and think about
Speaker 1: clothes and coordinate clothes and and put myself together. And
Speaker 1: I'm in one right now because of the shift from
Speaker 1: just normal jeans to these crazy, you know, weird cropped
Speaker 1: wide leg and they're all called like mom jeans, and
Speaker 1: I'm an actual mom, and I know that I don't
Speaker 1: want to be wearing mom jeans. So the last time
Speaker 1: this happened was the shift from when everything was kind
Speaker 1: of like mod and I was in my early to
Speaker 1: mid twent these and I felt like it was okay
Speaker 1: to wear these really sort of cheesies sixties rip off things,
Speaker 1: and then everything shifted and I felt like I didn't
Speaker 1: like anything I saw. So I went to um the
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl flea market and they had these. I honestly
Speaker 1: think that they were burlap sacks that had been made
Speaker 1: into these like tent dresses that were off white and
Speaker 1: they had like initials sewn in them, and there was
Speaker 1: a deal on you could get like three of them.
Speaker 1: So I just started wearing these knee length sacks with
Speaker 1: these weird short They would just look like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it looked like I was wearing like, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like a baby's outfit kind of, but they were.
Speaker 1: I was like, I love this because it's so aggressively
Speaker 1: ugly that it seems like like I'm doing my own style,
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's just ugly. You know, really hot
Speaker 1: people can wear ugly stuff. That's like the whole That's
Speaker 1: what art school is, right, But if you're like not
Speaker 1: a really hot person, but you just feel really alienated
Speaker 1: by things, I mean I have a hard time also
Speaker 1: because I am I am very stingy. But I also
Speaker 1: don't want to shop at Forever twenty one and H
Speaker 1: and M and Zara and like, you know, support sweatshops.
Speaker 1: So instead I buy strange clothes from thrift stores and
Speaker 1: then where things that are mine from like a really like,
Speaker 1: I still wear pants that I had in high school,
Speaker 1: which seems like it should not be okay to do,
Speaker 1: and maybe isn't Um, I'm amazed that they haven't fallen apart,
Speaker 1: because I have jeans that I've bought in the last
Speaker 1: three years that are falling apart. Actually all they have
Speaker 1: a part right now, they have fallen apart, but I
Speaker 1: still feel entitled to wear them. I was the person
Speaker 1: who always wore jeans until they were completely falling apart
Speaker 1: and like not acceptable in public, and then I stopped
Speaker 1: touring jeans for like a couple of This is so boring.
Speaker 1: I like to hear about people's fashion fantom till he's
Speaker 1: like when he's like, you have to like move forward.
Speaker 1: You can't like stay stagnant like the fat You have
Speaker 1: to change with the times or like they'll leave you behind.
Speaker 1: Where I was like always talking about movies and fashion. Well,
Speaker 1: the funny thing about the burlap sack thing reminds me
Speaker 1: of is like another thing like that became a somewhat.
Speaker 1: It was like our conscientious version of fast fashion for
Speaker 1: so long, which was American Apparel Um, specifically the American
Speaker 1: Peril Factory store downtown. But I remember, like I so
Speaker 1: there was a period of time in my life when
Speaker 1: I used to do sketch comedy and I used to
Speaker 1: do sketch comedy with a friend of mine where we
Speaker 1: played American apparel models and um, I basically spoke in
Speaker 1: this voice and I'm speaking in right now. Um. But
Speaker 1: one thing that we did is like, well, you actually
Speaker 1: just bought stuff from the factory store because it was
Speaker 1: so cheap. But they just make these like cave women
Speaker 1: dresses like they were just they were just like pillowcases
Speaker 1: that had a neck cut out in the top, and
Speaker 1: we would just get the biggest size of them that
Speaker 1: we could and just like basically look like like just
Speaker 1: like somebody threw some fabric on us and threw a
Speaker 1: belt on us, and and uh, just totally overdo that
Speaker 1: aspect of it. But then I also just like kept
Speaker 1: the dress that I bought and wore it. Likes and
Speaker 1: I are both really into like wearing something because we
Speaker 1: think it's funny, and then it just becomes the thing
Speaker 1: you wear at the time and then someone's like what
Speaker 1: are you doing, and you're like, it's funny. There was
Speaker 1: a dinosaur hat that we got a baby gap that
Speaker 1: we shared custody of in college. I don't know what
Speaker 1: happened to that hat, and I'm wearing it in a
Speaker 1: lot of photos on my Facebook from like it was
Speaker 1: it was a child sized hat that somehow we stuffed
Speaker 1: onto our adult sized heads, and it was like it
Speaker 1: wasn't it was just to be silly. But then it's
Speaker 1: like you're walking around it was very warm. It was hate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's been freezing here, which you know, obviously
Speaker 1: I'm using that term loosely because it's been like degrees
Speaker 1: sometimes forty at night. Nobody knows what to do, including me.
Speaker 1: I like was getting dressed last night to go out
Speaker 1: at night, and I was like, Okay, I've got like
Speaker 1: two layers on. I don't know what to do after that, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the next step up is. I'm
Speaker 1: wearing all my clothes, so I've been like throwing on
Speaker 1: a blanket cape a lot. Sometimes I see myself in
Speaker 1: a mirror and I'm like, I look crazy. The one
Speaker 1: thing that I will spend money on that's closed are
Speaker 1: Kashmere socks because you can wear anything on the rest
Speaker 1: of your body, and if you wear Kashmire socks or anything, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure my parents go get them on sale and
Speaker 1: then I like take them. The one thing I bought
Speaker 1: from a Chinese fast fashion site that doesn't even exist
Speaker 1: anymore and I can't remember what it was called. Um,
Speaker 1: but I bought a knockoff of the Coach knockoff of
Speaker 1: the sweater from the show Yeah Pallo Levan sweater because
Speaker 1: I really wanted it. I was never gonna get the
Speaker 1: Coach version and somebody made it not. Yeah. Sometimes I'll
Speaker 1: wait for someone to knock off something that I like
Speaker 1: that's like fancy and I'll never buy, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll buy a knockoff. I love how many layers of
Speaker 1: meaning there are there because it's it's shining via Coach
Speaker 1: via Chinese bass fashion shite like well stuff is great.
Speaker 1: My favorite one that came up recently because I do
Speaker 1: also just look them, look at them for graphic design
Speaker 1: because sometimes there are just like I like, you know,
Speaker 1: when something is like a cop stepped on copy of something,
Speaker 1: it gets weird. So there was one that was really
Speaker 1: good that was, you know, I make fun a lot
Speaker 1: of all the like sort of fake feminist uh commerce
Speaker 1: that's been happening recently, just like shirts that are like
Speaker 1: I'm a feminist and coughton. This shirt cuff shirt cost
Speaker 1: ten dollars because it was sown by people who were
Speaker 1: making you know, pennies in Bangladesh, right, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: There's like the high fashion version of that, and then
Speaker 1: the like literal sweatshop knockoff of like this is being
Speaker 1: made by like a woman who is being underpaid, so like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not feminist to wear this, uh, But there was
Speaker 1: one that was a knockoff of the Guerrilla Girls Manifesto,
Speaker 1: which is an eighties feminist artist manifesto. It says the
Speaker 1: benefits of being a female artist, and it's like this
Speaker 1: famous manifesto where it's like the benefits of being a
Speaker 1: famous of being a female artist, and then it's all
Speaker 1: these things that suck about being a female artist. That's
Speaker 1: like always being referred to in conjunction with your partner
Speaker 1: if they're in the art world, like never being taken seriously,
Speaker 1: like having lots of free time to work on stuff
Speaker 1: because like people are hiring your male peers. Just all
Speaker 1: these things, and so then this was like you know,
Speaker 1: someone had made a shirt out of it, and then
Speaker 1: the stepped on copy of it was like benefits of
Speaker 1: being a female artist, and then all the text was
Speaker 1: just like garble, was like just letters together that don't
Speaker 1: spell words, and I was like, this is so funny
Speaker 1: because it's like makes exact. I posted about it on
Speaker 1: Twitter and some female artists who I follow was like
Speaker 1: I bought it because it was too good. I'm about
Speaker 1: to buy it as well. Well. I was like, also,
Speaker 1: like the big joke about it that sucks is like
Speaker 1: nothing has changed since the female artists like this was
Speaker 1: very you know, edgy at the time, and it's still
Speaker 1: edgy because like that stuff is all true. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I U. I enjoy browsing in general. I
Speaker 1: like to browse and not buy, and that's my general.
Speaker 1: My general. Just send links to your friends and it
Speaker 1: feels as good as wearing the shirt exactly pretty much. Well,
Speaker 1: I think you want to support If you want to
Speaker 1: support independent commerce, check out Big bud Press because they
Speaker 1: make great unisex stuff for everybody, and they've been doing
Speaker 1: a fundraiser and Lacy is cool cool and that was
Speaker 1: not even I just like, out of the goodness of
Speaker 1: her heart. Con Yeah, she just makes shirts that look
Speaker 1: like things I would want to wear. Anyway, I feel
Speaker 1: like tests you would really like it. I'm on you
Speaker 1: check it out. It's so weird. How how much this
Speaker 1: sounds like an ad but isn't it worked on me?
Speaker 1: I was like, I will go by that stuff. It
Speaker 1: was not even an ad store. Thank you everybody for
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