WEBVTT - Capricorn Clark...It's Complicated 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.040 Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty trial. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.440 Welcome everybody to Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O'Day covering 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.480 the Diddy trial and TJ Holmes here alongside my partner 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.959 Amy Robach, and we have been getting help along the 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:22.200 way and covering the Didty trial from someone who has 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.840 insight that we definitely right now need robes after we 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.840 just finished another full day of testimony in the trial, 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:34.640 and this is certainly one we could use Aubrey's context 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.800 in understanding what happened one witness on the stand for 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:39.400 a full day. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:40.199 That's right. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:45.640 Her name is hard to forget. Capricorn Clark and Aubrey. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:52.320 You read everything that this star witness told jurors yesterday 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.240 because she had a lot to say in some ways. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.240 In a lot of ways, she corroborated what we heard 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.920 from Cassie Ventura, but she also pokes some holes in 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.880 what she testified to at least left some questions for jurors. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.720 What was your overall impression? You know Capricorn, you've met Capricorn, 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.959 you've worked alongside Capricorn. What was your take on her 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:15.080 testimony yesterday? 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.040 Her story and what she went through was horrific. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.039 Her desire to please Diddy and to be great at 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.280 her job is exactly as she stated it. From morning 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.800 until the next morning at four am, she would work NonStop. Food, water, 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.680 and your overall mental health was not really ever considered 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.800 over in that area. And so it's not like there 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:42.720 was any professional setting or professional graces given to the employees. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:48.200 And she established many things from kidnapping that's going to 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:55.720 be playing into the Rico charge. There's violence, weapons breaking, kidnapping, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:01.320 even the rituals of her day one coming from Death Row, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.560 coming from Sug moving over there. Day one was like 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.680 Central Park and if you ever, you know, play with me, 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.000 you'll end up dead. Threats of violence, threat threats of death. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.079 And one thing I will say, in the music industry, 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.640 especially in hip hop, a lot of people will threaten death. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.799 There's death talking about, you know, talked about a lot 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:29.280 in music. Not many people take that seriously enough to 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.800 uh fall in line and do what's needed to be 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.040 done for the person that's threatening them. A lot of 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.680 people will challenge back or will you know, either make 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.240 a spectacle of it in order to sell records, or 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.679 they will you know, whatever they choose to do. It's 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:50.919 more of an artistic presentation than it is a fear 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.200 in these situations that are being testified to. This is 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.840 direct fear. This is nobody understanding. This is a knowledge 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.400 from a lot of people now that truly believed that 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.960 he'd do exactly as he said he would, Which tells 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.000 me that even prior to me being there, that in 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.800 the nineties, there has to have been a lot of 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.200 information that a lot of people were aware of in 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:17.400 regards to how dangerous this human could be. Potentially, because 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.000 the threats of being taken out seemed to have been 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.560 very serious to all of these people, they didn't bat 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:24.880 an eye and they didn't think. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:25.280 It was false. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:30.000 Bravado Capricorn was very interesting because there was always this 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:36.080 dynamic of you know, she there felt like there was 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.000 a competitive dynamic, like as if there were if there 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.040 were certain people that she felt were in her way 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.800 or whatever. There felt, in my opinion, this like you know, 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:47.760 just a dislike. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:48.960 So I didn't. 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.400 I was never on the winning side of that. Unfortunately. 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.440 Maybe she thought that there was something with me and 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.600 Diddy or whatever, but I didn't ever get to see 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.119 the winning sides. There were some times where I got 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.200 to see like good good aspects of her personality. But 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:06.440 I did notice even in the testimony she was saying 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.920 how there were moments where she felt like pushed out 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.440 by Cassie and even had moments where she disliked her. 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.360 Then there's moments where she brought her back in. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.200 But on an overall understanding of Capricorn, I was thinking 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:23.040 that way more was going to be told. She definitely, 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.840 in my opinion, kept some things in, possibly because they 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.480 don't pertain, or possibly because of other situations. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.400 Legally, I'll repect of something you said at the beginning, 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.480 and this could help us understand Capricorn a little better. 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.960 She talked about possibly wanting to be a protector or diddy, 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.839 and then you were speaking kind of how she was 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:48.160 almost possessive and like nobody gets more attention from him 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:49.960 than I do, or I'm the one that's the gatekeeper. 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.159 Which was it or was it a balance of he 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.520 just give us some more context for what she felt 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.400 she represented and wanted to be the ditty. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.120 I think there's that balance. So I think she you know, 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.400 she did state in her testimony she would know best, right. 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:08.440 She stated in her testimony that she felt protective over him, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.760 that if she wasn't around, that he could get himself 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.680 into trouble. That she would like basically handle all the 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.840 ins and outs of all the things that were going on, 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:18.960 and a lot of those things apparently could lead to 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.800 a lot of trouble for people or for Puff And 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:27.840 so she was like she took her responsibility of protecting 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.440 him very seriously. And coming from death Row, which you 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.520 know infamously in the nineties the two West and East 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.000 battles were Death Row and Bad Boy. Coming from Death 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.719 Row moving over to Bad Boy and having a fierce 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.880 protection and loyalty to Diddy is there's a lot to 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.560 unpack there. This is a human that knows a lot 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:53.600 of things, and I believe that with what she established, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.800 I mean, there are a lot of parts of the story. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.920 She talked about being abused by him, that's another person. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.760 Now she's part of an enterprise of people. There was 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.960 somebody with her inside of her of his home. They 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.040 established even when Diddy and the other person went inside 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.599 Cutty's home and she was left in the car that 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.880 she called Cassie from a burner phone. I don't carry 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.080 around burner phones, do you I mean, you gotta be 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.400 you gotta be into some serious stuff if you're if 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.560 you've got a pocket full of burner phones just in case. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.840 I mean, I've never even walked by a burner phone 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.839 and thought of purchasing it. So like, you know the 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.720 fact that there was just a burner phone ready, and 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.680 the she had to sit on his lap with the 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.120 gun pointed out at her. I don't I don't understand 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.720 the sitting on the lap part. I don't know exactly 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.159 what it all says, but I know it says force, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.440 and I know it says coercion. And I know that 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.120 a lot of people felt like they were very unsafe 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.000 and they weren't willing to challenge that, and they definitely 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.560 didn't think that he was just. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.720 On one and doing the most. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.880 I think they feel like their lives genuinely would be 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.360 in danger. It seems over and over again that we're 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:11.600 establishing that now with multiple people in the enterprise. Now, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:16.560 if you pay attention in regards to the Rico charge racketeering, 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.440 if you pay attention to what happened to Keith in 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:25.640 that Nexium trial, they were able to establish sex trafficking 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:30.320 off of a smaller group of people in a smaller scope, 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:34.600 just a handful of people that basically worked with him 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:39.840 in order to achieve the things that he instructed them 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.040 to do that were criminal. 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.040 And next the guy from Nexium's in prison. 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.760 So I think they're getting right about there with reaching 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.560 the bar on sex trafficking. Definitely have the possessing people 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:59.960 across state lines. If we're getting into racketeering things like this, 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:06.720 we're talking about kidnapping, we're talking about explosives where we've 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:11.000 now tied everything to everyone, and there are more people 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.960 that are being named in every testimony, and it kind 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.680 of seems like the trajectory of what the prosecution is 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.160 establishing is here's the name. Might not mean anything to 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.320 you right now, but it will when we come back 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.000 next week, because then we see that person taking the 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.520 stand and filling in all of the holes of the picture. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:36.640 Aubrey, I'm curious A lot was made of Capricorn's emotions. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:40.720 She was by everyone who was in the courtroom. Witnesses 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:44.800 described for as uncontrollably sobbing when she was talking about 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.560 the emails, when she was begging for forgiveness for him 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.959 to let her return. I mean, this is a twenty 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.160 year period where she says she experienced to witness all 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.040 of these things, and yet even as late as last spring, 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.080 she was begging to come back in some role. 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:04.240 All of that emotion, all of those tears. What did 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:04.960 you think of that? 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.600 Like, you know her, at least you've been around her, 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:08.680 what did you think of that? 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:16.640 Kind of always said this in different ways. There are 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.800 things about Diddy that are all encompassing, and for some people, 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:26.720 when he's proud of you, you almost feel you know. 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.480 I talked with a psychologist about that on our podcast, 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.360 and she said to me, in your childhood or in general, 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.760 if you have any type of abandonment or self confidence 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.679 issues in different levels growing up, that when you get 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.120 in front of somebody like that, they can really grab 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.600 a hold of you. And the second that you are abused, traumatized, 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:54.320 or put in a very scary, fearful situation, your body 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.120 almost clings up and goes into shock. And the only 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.640 way you ever get that relief is when they come 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.400 back you and they want you again. Then you feel 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.160 like you've got your life back. If they're doing things 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:10.120 like holding your home, your car, your bank accounts, your laptops, 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.960 et cetera. I mean, Capricorn talked about she had a 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.319 life and an entire established career, and then she didn't. 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.000 And Capricorn was known around the time I was there, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.600 she was a bad bitch. She was running the streets, 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.040 she was respected everywhere. She could go around and do 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.559 whatever she wanted to do. She knew every I mean 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.000 I was. I was intimidated by her, like, let me 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:35.640 not piss her off, because her attitude is real poignant 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.920 when she doesn't like you, and when she does like you, 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:39.560 it seems like she looks out for you. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.200 But she was friends with kim Porter. 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.920 She even wrote in the comment that we read on 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.200 in an episode prior that kim Porter was the only 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.400 one that stayed a real one to the very end. 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.760 I mean, that's an important piece of all of this, 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.079 is everything starts to come full circle. 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:04.440 How much did did he respect, appreciate, or even need 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.119 Tepricorn Clark. It sounded like she was really a gatekeeper 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:09.160 for a lot of things. 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:15.440 There were at that point the gatekeepers that I saw, 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:21.040 besides his big old besides all of the men that 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:28.000 were part of the establishment, some who I can personally 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:32.599 say one sexually assaulted me one sexually assaulted potentially allegedly 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.880 one of my band members. There was a lot of 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.480 things going on with the men over there. As far 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.160 as the women go, I was always we were always 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.640 around Capricorn and a woman named Francesca Sparrow who was 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.480 found I believed, and that was I don't know how 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.280 long of a period after of suing Diddy and bad 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:57.600 Boy for a significant amount of money, and then you know, 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:02.040 when Capricorn got out and fran was out, seems. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:02.800 Like KK came in. 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.440 And if you do a little research on some of 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.880 the civil suits and some of the claims being made 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.720 on the type of things that KK allegedly could have 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.800 been involved in, it sounds like he kind of always 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:20.559 had somebody in that role that maybe understood. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.640 On a deeper level. How and here's the thing. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.480 Hurt people. Hurt people, right. I had moments where I 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:34.640 saw things. I can't speak about them because Netflix has 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.080 the exclusivity on them, but there were times where I 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:44.680 witnessed things that showed a human in pain, suffering a 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:49.560 little bit in my opinion, So if she saw things 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.800 like that often, then she might have felt a fierce 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:59.400 loyalty to him, and also It's a commonly known thing 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.040 that black women just naturally protect black men. They are 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:09.079 just so historically have been so disenfranchised by the system, 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.840 so attacked and brutal brutalized by the system, that there's 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.119 just a different type of loyalty that exists in the community. 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.120 Then I would necessarily even understand. And so I think 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.880 that there probably is many things at play when it 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:29.800 comes to loving somebody and wanting to protect them from 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:34.559 themselves and then also hating them so much. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:38.400 For how much they never. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.319 Really gave a fuck about you, and how much you 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.200 sacrificed for them. I think maybe those where those tears 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:49.280 come from. Also, I don't know that. Also, I don't 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:53.240 know how much of her story, you know, was able 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.760 to be told on the stand, But when you get 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.480 to all of the parts of the story, there were 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.880 some personal things that were probably very devastating and horrific 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.920 for her to have experienced, and that could potentially also 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:07.520 be where the tears are coming from. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.800 Can I stop you there, because you mentioned it earlier, 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.480 we're listening to it from the outside. We just met 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.280 Capricorn Clark, you will, just through her testimony. We don't 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.240 know much about this lady, but our jarles were dropped 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:26.000 and reading all the testimony, your first reaction was, Wow, 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.960 I'm surprised she didn't go further than she did. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:29.600 Why is that? 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:30.680 And you kind of alluded to it? 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:31.000 There? 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.720 Can you expound as much as you can on what 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.000 you mean by there's more for her to say that 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.400 she didn't say and why she didn't say. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.680 Somebody else made this statement. It wouldn't have been coming 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.840 from any of us in the room. I can just 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.760 google quickly an article online and we all know we 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:54.600 have our battles with these articles online. But Suge Knight, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:58.320 who has also been around all of these people for 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.760 a very long time, also isamiliar with Capricorn as she 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.359 worked at death Row prior. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:04.160 To going to Bad Boy. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:09.680 He stated that did he beat the shit out of 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.760 that bitch? Is what the title of the article is. 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:19.640 Shug on his podcast Collect Call with Suge Knight Front 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:24.680 that he does from prison, talks about why Puffy done. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.560 What Puffy did or what Puffy do is not a surprise. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.640 Everyone knows what it is. I mean, you got to 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.160 be able to that type of shit to a woman 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:35.240 and to other women. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.040 But it's not like it's news. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.240 So basically kind of establishing that everyone knows he was 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:44.640 doing this to people all the way back then, same 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.240 time he beat the shit out of motherfucking Cassie. This 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.280 is a quote not my language. He had an assistant 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.760 by the name of Capricorn. He continued. He felt cap 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.760 was keeping this shit on the low about if she 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.640 was messing with Cutty or not. Puff beat the shit 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.960 out of that bitch. Not only did he beat the 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.840 shit out of her, it was an interscope person, an 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.920 interscope check that paid her to settle so he wouldn't 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:10.600 go to jail. 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.200 Does it seem like he's referring to the Central Park 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.920 incident she discussed. Maybe she just didn't go into as 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.040 much detail about what, at least should Knights has happened. 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:27.760 It seems like there came a point where she couldn't 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.840 take it anymore. I'm not exactly sure what incident that was, 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.320 but it sounds like it was so bad that not 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.960 even bad Boy or did He could put their name 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:42.000 anywhere near the check that paid her off allegedly. And 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.400 when I say to you guys that we need a 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:50.400 systematic change in the music industry. In one man's trial 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:55.800 and potential convictions or not is not going to change anything. 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.040 Is because I don't know what. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.080 You guys feel about out if what should Knight said 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.800 is true and there is a money trail or other 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.520 people that are aware of this and confirm it can 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.199 confirm it. What do you guys feel about a music 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:19.040 label allegedly picking up the responsibility of someone being so 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:23.280 beaten that it got to a point where jail time 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:28.760 was potentially being considered and the person allegedly involved could 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.520 not even pay the person off. And we know that 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.480 there's been a whole lot of payments to a whole 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.639 lot of people, according to a whole lot of civil 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.720 lawsuits eighty over eighty or around eighty to be exact, 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:45.080 so far allegedly. For me, what it feels like is 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.560 is like, I don't know, you could potentially I'm not 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.399 saying that this was what was done, but I know 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:53.360 when we had platinum albums and we're making people millions 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.560 of dollars that we were always told we weren't seeing 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.719 any money because it was being recouped. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.280 That's a word that they love to use, recoop, recoop, recoop. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.240 I'll never forget the word. It haunts me in my 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.000 motherfucking sleep. But if you think about it, if you 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.560 had to pay off a big chunk of money to somebody, 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:12.280 you could just recoop it. 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:13.000 Because at the. 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.320 Time, if what Shug says is true and Innerscope did 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.040 make the payment, Interscope was also who was in charge 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.400 of dirty money. They were the ones backing the project 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.800 to my knowledge, So if a check was made, I'm 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.879 not saying that this is what occurred, but I'm sure 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.600 in the industry in general, they throw a lot of 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.439 different things under that recoop name. You just keep hearing 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:41.000 about the recoop. You never actually really see the check. Well, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.480 so so you know, could somebody's beating have just been 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:51.320 a recoup owed back by them from the artists that they, uh, you. 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:52.160 Know, represented. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:53.320 I don't know. 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:54.560 This is all alleged. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:58.280 This is all just me, you know, opinions and us 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.440 bantering back and forth about what these things could possibly 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.879 mean that people have stated publicly that are in the industry. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:10.119 But I do remember our manager at one point, a 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.199 man that I have a large amount of respect for, 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.160 Johnny Wright, had to sit down with me at one 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.199 point and he did say to me, you got to 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.560 get this group together, and like, you know, the. 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:22.320 Pressure's on you. 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.080 And I was like, why, we're all equal, we're all stars, 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.200 we're all five choosing to not make anyone a lead. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.480 We had to go in and fight for that continuously 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.199 vocally on the tracks. And he was like, well, the 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.159 audience and the fans have decided it's you, so so 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.200 whether you like that or not, it is what it is. 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:44.480 And he said to me, the most replaceable person in 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:50.760 this situation is the artists, the managers, the CPAs, the agents, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:56.080 the publicists, the A and rs, the record labels. They're 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.240 all going to be there for the next twenty five 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.480 girl groups after you, and they were there for the 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:04.000 twenty five girl groups before you. The artist is the 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.000 most replaceable part. And the sad thing that the fans 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.639 don't understand is they loved us. 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:12.960 They came and paid for. 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.480 The artists for us, and we are the last to 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:21.480 be paid, never were paid in most regards. And the 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.560 bigger problem in all of that is we're the most replaceable. 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.000 And even if you don't mess it all up, like 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.400 they really tried hard to make it a Danity Kane 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:36.040 inner turmoil that couldn't be controlled and it was us 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:36.840 that were to blame. 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:38.320 You know, Diddy pointed me. 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:42.359 Out specifically because in my opinion, now that I've seen 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:44.879 more and understand more of what was going on during 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:48.280 that time, it's likely that they needed my fan base 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.240 to turn against me and to move on to a 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:54.680 new project that he was moving one of my bandmates onto. Potentially, 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.320 in my opinion, that could be something. 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:57.719 That was going on. 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:02.640 But I know that in all of these situations that 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:08.760 when an artist is the most replaceable part, that there's 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:12.440 something wrong with the music industry, the business. 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:13.679 There's something wrong with that. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:23.320 I know. 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:27.239 Something you talked about Aubrey was being blacklisted once you 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:31.440 were fired from Danity Kane by Diddy. 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:33.120 And Capricorn said that too. 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.000 Absolutely what we heard from Capricorn on the stand, So 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:40.760 that was an interesting oversation she had, or at least 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.800 the testimony she was giving, talking about being blacklisted and 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.480 perhaps one of the reasons why she kept coming back because. 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:48.000 She said she could not find work. 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.200 She describes being followed while she was at the Creative 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:57.919 Artist Agency, literally being tailed and trailed and incapable of 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.280 finding work. That reads true for you because your experience 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:02.360 was similar guess. 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.160 Yeah, my experience was more humiliating, but yeah, a bunch 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.520 of record labels saying they want me, having me meet 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:13.359 up at the Beverly Hills Hotel, asking me to dance, 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:16.400 putting on track after track into a room full of 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:20.680 like forty people passing a blunt around. I remember dancing 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.400 so hard at one point I knocked a lamp off 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.080 a table. I was trying my damn just to they 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.040 just I just remember I have nightmares in my head 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:31.160 from the j LO song that they kept on repeat. 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.800 I'll if when I hear it, I want to, like 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:36.560 I get I could be dead danger to myself when 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:37.320 that song comes on. 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:38.600 You gotta tell what song? 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:40.960 Oh god, I can't even I don't even want to 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.119 think about it. But the song that was put on 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.359 one of them in repeat was a j Lo's song, 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.639 and I just like, after a few eight counts it 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:54.520 usually stops, but it just wasn't stopping. And then you know, 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.240 the personallyaves the room, comes back in and is like, oh, 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.400 we just got the call, like you're you're untouchable, Hey, 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:04.400 thanks for coming in, and me just being like mortified 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.160 and humiliated, and I didn't understand even at the time, 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:11.239