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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty trial.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O'Day covering

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Speaker 1: the Diddy trial and TJ Holmes here alongside my partner

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Speaker 1: Amy Robach, and we have been getting help along the

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Speaker 1: way and covering the Didty trial from someone who has

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Speaker 1: insight that we definitely right now need robes after we

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Speaker 1: just finished another full day of testimony in the trial,

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Speaker 1: and this is certainly one we could use Aubrey's context

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Speaker 1: in understanding what happened one witness on the stand for

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Speaker 1: a full day.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Her name is hard to forget. Capricorn Clark and Aubrey.

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Speaker 3: You read everything that this star witness told jurors yesterday

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Speaker 3: because she had a lot to say in some ways.

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Speaker 3: In a lot of ways, she corroborated what we heard

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Speaker 3: from Cassie Ventura, but she also pokes some holes in

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Speaker 3: what she testified to at least left some questions for jurors.

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Speaker 3: What was your overall impression? You know Capricorn, you've met Capricorn,

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Speaker 3: you've worked alongside Capricorn. What was your take on her

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Speaker 3: testimony yesterday?

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Speaker 4: Her story and what she went through was horrific.

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Speaker 5: Her desire to please Diddy and to be great at

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Speaker 5: her job is exactly as she stated it. From morning

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Speaker 5: until the next morning at four am, she would work NonStop. Food, water,

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Speaker 5: and your overall mental health was not really ever considered

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Speaker 5: over in that area. And so it's not like there

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Speaker 5: was any professional setting or professional graces given to the employees.

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Speaker 5: And she established many things from kidnapping that's going to

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Speaker 5: be playing into the Rico charge. There's violence, weapons breaking, kidnapping,

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Speaker 5: even the rituals of her day one coming from Death Row,

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Speaker 5: coming from Sug moving over there. Day one was like

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Speaker 5: Central Park and if you ever, you know, play with me,

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Speaker 5: you'll end up dead. Threats of violence, threat threats of death.

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Speaker 5: And one thing I will say, in the music industry,

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Speaker 5: especially in hip hop, a lot of people will threaten death.

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Speaker 5: There's death talking about, you know, talked about a lot

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Speaker 5: in music. Not many people take that seriously enough to

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Speaker 5: uh fall in line and do what's needed to be

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Speaker 5: done for the person that's threatening them. A lot of

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Speaker 5: people will challenge back or will you know, either make

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Speaker 5: a spectacle of it in order to sell records, or

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Speaker 5: they will you know, whatever they choose to do. It's

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Speaker 5: more of an artistic presentation than it is a fear

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Speaker 5: in these situations that are being testified to. This is

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Speaker 5: direct fear. This is nobody understanding. This is a knowledge

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Speaker 5: from a lot of people now that truly believed that

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Speaker 5: he'd do exactly as he said he would, Which tells

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Speaker 5: me that even prior to me being there, that in

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Speaker 5: the nineties, there has to have been a lot of

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Speaker 5: information that a lot of people were aware of in

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Speaker 5: regards to how dangerous this human could be. Potentially, because

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Speaker 5: the threats of being taken out seemed to have been

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Speaker 5: very serious to all of these people, they didn't bat

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Speaker 5: an eye and they didn't think.

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Speaker 4: It was false.

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Speaker 5: Bravado Capricorn was very interesting because there was always this

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Speaker 5: dynamic of you know, she there felt like there was

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Speaker 5: a competitive dynamic, like as if there were if there

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Speaker 5: were certain people that she felt were in her way

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Speaker 5: or whatever. There felt, in my opinion, this like you know,

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Speaker 5: just a dislike.

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Speaker 4: So I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I was never on the winning side of that. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 5: Maybe she thought that there was something with me and

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Speaker 5: Diddy or whatever, but I didn't ever get to see

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Speaker 5: the winning sides. There were some times where I got

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Speaker 5: to see like good good aspects of her personality. But

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Speaker 5: I did notice even in the testimony she was saying

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Speaker 5: how there were moments where she felt like pushed out

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Speaker 5: by Cassie and even had moments where she disliked her.

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Speaker 4: Then there's moments where she brought her back in.

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Speaker 5: But on an overall understanding of Capricorn, I was thinking

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Speaker 5: that way more was going to be told. She definitely,

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Speaker 5: in my opinion, kept some things in, possibly because they

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Speaker 5: don't pertain, or possibly because of other situations.

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Speaker 1: Legally, I'll repect of something you said at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: and this could help us understand Capricorn a little better.

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Speaker 1: She talked about possibly wanting to be a protector or diddy,

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Speaker 1: and then you were speaking kind of how she was

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Speaker 1: Which was it or was it a balance of he

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Speaker 1: just give us some more context for what she felt

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Speaker 1: she represented and wanted to be the ditty.

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Speaker 5: I think there's that balance. So I think she you know,

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Speaker 5: she did state in her testimony she would know best, right.

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Speaker 5: She stated in her testimony that she felt protective over him,

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Speaker 5: that if she wasn't around, that he could get himself

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Speaker 5: and a lot of those things apparently could lead to

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Speaker 5: a lot of trouble for people or for Puff And

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Speaker 5: so she was like she took her responsibility of protecting

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Speaker 5: him very seriously. And coming from death Row, which you

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Speaker 5: know infamously in the nineties the two West and East

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Speaker 5: battles were Death Row and Bad Boy. Coming from Death

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Speaker 5: Row moving over to Bad Boy and having a fierce

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Speaker 5: protection and loyalty to Diddy is there's a lot to

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Speaker 5: unpack there. This is a human that knows a lot

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Speaker 5: of things, and I believe that with what she established,

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Speaker 5: I mean, there are a lot of parts of the story.

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Speaker 5: She talked about being abused by him, that's another person.

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Speaker 5: Now she's part of an enterprise of people. There was

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Speaker 5: somebody with her inside of her of his home. They

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Speaker 5: established even when Diddy and the other person went inside

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Speaker 5: Cutty's home and she was left in the car that

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Speaker 5: she called Cassie from a burner phone. I don't carry

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Speaker 5: around burner phones, do you I mean, you gotta be

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Speaker 5: you gotta be into some serious stuff if you're if

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Speaker 5: you've got a pocket full of burner phones just in case.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I've never even walked by a burner phone

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Speaker 5: and thought of purchasing it. So like, you know the

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Speaker 5: fact that there was just a burner phone ready, and

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Speaker 5: the she had to sit on his lap with the

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Speaker 5: gun pointed out at her. I don't I don't understand

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Speaker 5: the sitting on the lap part. I don't know exactly

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Speaker 5: what it all says, but I know it says force,

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Speaker 5: and I know it says coercion. And I know that

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Speaker 5: a lot of people felt like they were very unsafe

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Speaker 5: and they weren't willing to challenge that, and they definitely

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Speaker 5: didn't think that he was just.

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Speaker 4: On one and doing the most.

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Speaker 5: I think they feel like their lives genuinely would be

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Speaker 5: in danger. It seems over and over again that we're

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Speaker 5: establishing that now with multiple people in the enterprise. Now,

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Speaker 5: if you pay attention in regards to the Rico charge racketeering,

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Speaker 5: if you pay attention to what happened to Keith in

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Speaker 5: that Nexium trial, they were able to establish sex trafficking

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Speaker 5: off of a smaller group of people in a smaller scope,

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Speaker 5: just a handful of people that basically worked with him

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Speaker 5: in order to achieve the things that he instructed them

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Speaker 5: to do that were criminal.

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Speaker 4: And next the guy from Nexium's in prison.

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Speaker 5: So I think they're getting right about there with reaching

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Speaker 5: the bar on sex trafficking. Definitely have the possessing people

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Speaker 5: across state lines. If we're getting into racketeering things like this,

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Speaker 5: we're talking about kidnapping, we're talking about explosives where we've

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Speaker 5: now tied everything to everyone, and there are more people

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Speaker 5: that are being named in every testimony, and it kind

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Speaker 5: of seems like the trajectory of what the prosecution is

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Speaker 5: establishing is here's the name. Might not mean anything to

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Speaker 5: you right now, but it will when we come back

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Speaker 5: next week, because then we see that person taking the

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Speaker 5: stand and filling in all of the holes of the picture.

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Speaker 3: Aubrey, I'm curious A lot was made of Capricorn's emotions.

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Speaker 3: She was by everyone who was in the courtroom. Witnesses

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Speaker 3: described for as uncontrollably sobbing when she was talking about

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Speaker 3: the emails, when she was begging for forgiveness for him

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Speaker 3: to let her return. I mean, this is a twenty

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Speaker 3: year period where she says she experienced to witness all

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Speaker 3: of these things, and yet even as late as last spring,

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Speaker 2: All of that emotion, all of those tears. What did

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Speaker 2: you think of that?

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Speaker 3: Like, you know her, at least you've been around her,

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Speaker 3: what did you think of that?

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Speaker 5: Kind of always said this in different ways. There are

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Speaker 5: things about Diddy that are all encompassing, and for some people,

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Speaker 5: when he's proud of you, you almost feel you know.

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Speaker 5: I talked with a psychologist about that on our podcast,

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Speaker 5: and she said to me, in your childhood or in general,

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Speaker 5: if you have any type of abandonment or self confidence

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Speaker 5: issues in different levels growing up, that when you get

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Speaker 5: almost clings up and goes into shock. And the only

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Speaker 5: way you ever get that relief is when they come

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Speaker 5: like you've got your life back. If they're doing things

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Speaker 5: like holding your home, your car, your bank accounts, your laptops,

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Speaker 5: et cetera. I mean, Capricorn talked about she had a

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Speaker 5: life and an entire established career, and then she didn't.

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Speaker 5: And Capricorn was known around the time I was there,

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Speaker 5: she was a bad bitch. She was running the streets,

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Speaker 5: she was respected everywhere. She could go around and do

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Speaker 5: I was. I was intimidated by her, like, let me

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Speaker 5: not piss her off, because her attitude is real poignant

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Speaker 5: when she doesn't like you, and when she does like you,

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Speaker 5: it seems like she looks out for you.

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Speaker 4: But she was friends with kim Porter.

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Speaker 5: She even wrote in the comment that we read on

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Speaker 5: in an episode prior that kim Porter was the only

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Speaker 5: one that stayed a real one to the very end.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's an important piece of all of this,

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Speaker 5: is everything starts to come full circle.

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Speaker 1: How much did did he respect, appreciate, or even need

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Speaker 1: Tepricorn Clark. It sounded like she was really a gatekeeper

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Speaker 1: for a lot of things.

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Speaker 5: There were at that point the gatekeepers that I saw,

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Speaker 5: say one sexually assaulted me one sexually assaulted potentially allegedly

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Speaker 5: one of my band members. There was a lot of

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Speaker 5: found I believed, and that was I don't know how

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Speaker 5: long of a period after of suing Diddy and bad

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Speaker 5: Boy for a significant amount of money, and then you know,

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Speaker 5: when Capricorn got out and fran was out, seems.

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Speaker 4: Like KK came in.

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Speaker 5: And if you do a little research on some of

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Speaker 5: the civil suits and some of the claims being made

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Speaker 5: on the type of things that KK allegedly could have

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Speaker 5: had somebody in that role that maybe understood.

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Speaker 4: On a deeper level. How and here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: Hurt people. Hurt people, right. I had moments where I

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Speaker 5: saw things. I can't speak about them because Netflix has

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Speaker 5: the exclusivity on them, but there were times where I

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Speaker 5: witnessed things that showed a human in pain, suffering a

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Speaker 4: For how much they never.

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Speaker 2: Why is that?

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Speaker 1: And you kind of alluded to it?

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Speaker 1: Can you expound as much as you can on what

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Speaker 5: Somebody else made this statement. It wouldn't have been coming

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Speaker 4: To going to Bad Boy.

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Speaker 5: He stated that did he beat the shit out of

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Speaker 5: What Puffy did or what Puffy do is not a surprise.

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Speaker 5: Everyone knows what it is. I mean, you got to

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Speaker 5: So basically kind of establishing that everyone knows he was

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Speaker 3: Does it seem like he's referring to the Central Park

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Speaker 5: It seems like there came a point where she couldn't

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Speaker 4: Is because I don't know what.

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Speaker 5: You guys feel about out if what should Knight said

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Speaker 5: there's been a whole lot of payments to a whole

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Speaker 5: of dollars that we were always told we weren't seeing

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Speaker 4: That's a word that they love to use, recoop, recoop, recoop.

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Speaker 5: I'll never forget the word. It haunts me in my

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Speaker 4: Because at the.

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Speaker 5: Time, if what Shug says is true and Innerscope did

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Speaker 5: not saying that this is what occurred, but I'm sure

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Speaker 4: Know, represented.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: This is all alleged.

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Speaker 5: This is all just me, you know, opinions and us

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Speaker 5: But I do remember our manager at one point, a

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Speaker 5: Johnny Wright, had to sit down with me at one

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Speaker 4: Pressure's on you.

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Speaker 5: And I was like, why, we're all equal, we're all stars,

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Speaker 5: whether you like that or not, it is what it is.

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Speaker 5: And he said to me, the most replaceable person in

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Speaker 4: They came and paid for.

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Speaker 5: The artists for us, and we are the last to

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Speaker 5: And even if you don't mess it all up, like

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Speaker 4: You know, Diddy pointed me.

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Speaker 5: Out specifically because in my opinion, now that I've seen

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Speaker 4: That was going on.

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Speaker 5: But I know that in all of these situations that

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Speaker 4: There's something wrong with that.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: Something you talked about Aubrey was being blacklisted once you

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Speaker 4: And Capricorn said that too.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely what we heard from Capricorn on the stand, So

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Speaker 2: She said she could not find work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my experience was more humiliating, but yeah, a bunch

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Speaker 5: I'll if when I hear it, I want to, like

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Speaker 1: You gotta tell what song?

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Speaker 5: Oh god, I can't even I don't even want to

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Speaker 4: It was a comedy bit for them.

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Speaker 5: For me, I thought that I failed, and I was

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Speaker 1: He had still wondering about was j Lo song But

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Speaker 1: central part of her testimony had to do with her

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Speaker 5: No, he showed up at her apartment for the very

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Speaker 1: Before they left. Let's do that chronologically. Yes, we're going

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Speaker 1: Were you there to protect them or were you there

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's complicated to me. What you just said made

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize it was one or the other.

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Speaker 5: I thought that she had testified to being forced into

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Speaker 1: The defense called her on. They said, well, previously, you

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Speaker 1: stated that you were his protector and you wanted to

441
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: go with him that night because you quote didn't want

442
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: him to do something stupid. They recalled that from a

443
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: previous statement she made.

444
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: In that previous interview.

445
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 5: Was that was she talking specifically in regards to this

446
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 5: night in this event or was it it just an

447
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 5: overall that night in that event.

448
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, she doesn't remember making that statement, but the defense

449
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: said you did.

450
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 5: Well. Let me tell you one bit of grace that

451
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 5: I give a lot of people. When this first happened,

452
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 5: not one person thought that anything would change. Once the

453
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 5: settlement went down, within like twenty four hours, it was gone.

454
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 5: Everyone like had twenty four hours where they were like,

455
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 5: oh my god, justice could be real.

456
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 4: And then when it stopped, everyone sunk back and.

457
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 5: Was like, I guess we all are just gonna still

458
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 5: be living in the lie. And then when the investigators came,

459
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 5: there was hope. Then people thought that you know, everybody

460
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 5: on this everybody in this streets had word and talks

461
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 5: to whoever they talked to, and it was rumored that

462
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 5: the indictment would happen at a certain time, and it

463
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 5: wasn't happening, and then all of a sudden it happens,

464
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 5: and then they you know, the raid happens, the indictment

465
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 5: happens during that, and then the Cassie video drops. The

466
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 5: Cassie video drop allowed a lot of people to feel

467
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 5: safer to come forward. But when I tell you that

468
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 5: people were very scared. It was a real thing. If

469
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 5: you knew anything about his behavior, if you had any

470
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 5: proof of his behavior, if you were there or witnessed

471
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Speaker 5: or was on the other end of any of his

472
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 5: behavior from smaller to very very large, were learning you

473
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 5: were scared. I had people literally saying, oh, what is

474
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 5: this bo was this bit scared of? Blah blah blah.

475
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 5: Well watch the Netflix documentary and you'll be able to

476
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 5: hear what I was scared of.

477
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 4: But the periods of scared TJ.

478
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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know how many pictures of license

479
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 5: plates I have on my phone of cars outside my

480
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 5: home that I had never seen for months. At one point,

481
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 5: I literally got a knife out of my kitchen and

482
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 5: walked outside my gate and just waved it in the

483
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 5: air and went to every single car, like, listen, you

484
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 5: do not live on the street. You have been parked

485
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 5: here with your phone up for the past two hours.

486
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 5: Who the fuck are you and what is it that

487
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 5: you want? Like the paranoia was seeping in. I would

488
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 5: ask my boyfriend at the time, am I being a

489
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 5: Karen or is this real? And then there was something

490
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 5: that occurred that he called me about. Uh Pros from

491
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 5: the Fujis Pros called me at one point and he

492
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 5: was like, you might be right to feel like you're

493
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 5: in danger. I would go to a hotel for a second.

494
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 5: He had inside it. He had some type of information

495
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 5: that I didn't know about. And that was the first

496
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 5: time that I realized, like, oh, okay, so you know,

497
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 5: maybe I'm not doing the most. It was hard to tell.

498
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 4: It was very scary.

499
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 5: So when you asked me that if I see a

500
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 5: small thing like I was trying to protect him, that

501
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 5: could be at a state where you don't know what's

502
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 5: really going to happen with this man, and then when

503
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 5: he gets fully taken out, you now know.

504
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm saying.

505
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 5: Even when I spoke with Homeland Security, they told me

506
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 5: anything that you say in this interview you'd have to

507
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 5: say on the on the stand, and there's no we

508
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 5: don't get a like edit. What you say is what

509
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 5: it is. So if there's something you don't want to say,

510
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 5: don't say it because there's no editing and there's no

511
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 5: go backs. This is a one time thing. They don't

512
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 5: give you any information. They give nobody. I mean, I

513
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 5: asked them, was the story that happened with me true?

514
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 5: They could not tell me anything. They made it clear

515
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 5: they would never be able to tell me any of that. So,

516
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 5: so when you're talking to them. There's still even I

517
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 5: still had a fear of naming certain people that were

518
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 5: around during certain things because I thought, if he doesn't

519
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 5: get taken under and these people do get together there,

520
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 5: I could be in a lot of trouble. But for

521
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 5: sure I'd never work again.

522
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: When you see with all of that, your personal experience,

523
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: knowing all of that and fearing a lot of that,

524
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: when you see Capricorn get up and testify, how.

525
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: Much courage does that take?

526
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: I mean, she is looking directly at Ditty when she

527
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: or at least he's right there in front of her

528
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: when she's testifying to all of this.

529
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: Can you imagine knowing her knowing Ditty being around them both,

530
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: what that must have been like?

531
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Speaker 5: Worse than anyone can ever imagine, because I think she

532
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 5: knows so much more and the scope of this is

533
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 5: just where the scope of this is.

534
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: But I also.

535
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 5: Think there's some part of her that feels the way

536
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 5: I do, in the sense that you know, you asked

537
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: me the first day, TJ, where does the sympathy lay

538
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 5: with this person? Not every day was bad? So and

539
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 5: also a good day with him is a better day

540
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 5: than you could have with anybody else in life.

541
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 4: So it's hard to.

542
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 5: Match the extremes of that man. And there's there she's

543
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 5: been tortured. Imagine if it's true what Shug has suggested happened,

544
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 5: and she was given enough potentially compensation to take care

545
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 5: of herself, and whatever occurred, You're still living in a

546
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 5: world that idolizes a man. You still see his billboards

547
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 5: every time you get to hear him that he's now

548
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 5: changed his name to love. Do you know how disgusting

549
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 5: that could be for so many of us. That's why

550
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 5: I went on mass singer and said, this belongs to

551
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 5: us now for a man that you know as Oh

552
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 5: the love hearts went on to know that, to know

553
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 5: the evil ways of somebody, to see that and hear

554
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 5: if you know him and you still talk to people

555
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 5: to hear and know in the streets that behavior is

556
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 5: still allegedly still rolling on like usual, at least according

557
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 5: to a lot of the civil suits, it appears that way.

558
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 5: If you know allegedly, it would probably be a very

559
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 5: hard thing to know that he just took over the

560
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 5: one name that is a universal feeling of goodness and

561
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 5: warmth and joy and love. It's the best thing that

562
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 5: you can have on this Earth, and that motherfucking man

563
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 5: named himself that legally and took the signage and made

564
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 5: it his. He is still I'm I'm was watching one

565
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 5: of the court the people that draw those awful pictures

566
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 5: of all of them looking hectic. Yeah, I was watching

567
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 5: her on an interview and she was saying that how

568
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 5: much Diddy is really like playing it up in court.

569
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 5: He's like blowing love hearts to the kids, He's chatting

570
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 5: it up with his team, he's talking to interviewers. Is

571
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 5: he's walking out to new sites as he's walking out

572
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 5: like he's really starting to get There are a lot

573
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 5: of reports suggesting that he's giving more of a showmanship

574
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 5: in the room lately. And like, I don't know if

575
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 5: I had mentioned this to you guys, but you know,

576
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 5: coming forward and saying we're respectfully not going to cross

577
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 5: Cassie's mom. That's not because they couldn't come up with

578
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 5: something that's definitely a move. Because they feel like maybe

579
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 5: they got somebody at least one in that jury that

580
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 5: is potentially in their favor, and all they need is

581
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 5: one and a move like that could really make the

582
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 5: man be seen as Wow, he wouldn't even go after

583
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 5: someone's mom.

584
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 4: That's a really nice thing to do.

585
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 5: And wow, look at his mom's sitting behind him, and

586
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 5: all his kids are there. This A lot of people

587
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 5: sure do love this man. And these are a lot

588
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 5: of horrific things we're hearing. It could confuse somebody, and

589
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 5: these details are horrific. These details are very much alone

590
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 5: with the charges that he has been charged with.

591
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: Frankly, yet this understanding.

592
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 5: Of whether he really is good or really is bad

593
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 5: is what I think the both prosecution that needs to

594
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 5: probably do a little bit less of and more of

595
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 5: the proof of the coercion in the force and the

596
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 5: racketeering stuff which they're doing. And then I think the

597
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 5: defense is really going to probably rest on more of

598
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 5: the poking holes.

599
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 4: And you really like this guy.

600
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 5: There's he was a drug addict and he had bad phases,

601
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 5: but really that lovable side which I told you there

602
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 5: is that check in with that man. He is a human.

603
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 5: That check in could confuse one person. And it's eight

604
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 5: men and four women, And no disrespect to you, TJ,

605
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 5: but men get it wrong a lot, a lot.

606
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: You hear that a lot. We disagree with that, though,

607
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: but we do hear that lot. Back to the incident.

608
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: That night, she gets taken from the home. She says

609
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: she's heading They're going to Cutty's house. He goes in

610
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: with the security guard to Cutty's house. But we mentioned

611
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: off the top of here she talked about the first

612
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: day on the job, he threatened to kill her, threatened

613
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: the killer. Later Keller threatened to kill her and Cuddy

614
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: and Cassie. You talked earlier about sometimes in the industry,

615
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, we're familiar with rap beefs, and sometimes people

616
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: rap about killing this person. That's one thing, But did you,

617
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: in your opinion, when he's threatening to kill somebody in

618
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: these situations, this is not rap bravado, This is not

619
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: wrap beef you think people had he was for real.

620
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, if he wasn't for real, people would have just

621
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 5: laughed it off. Nobody would have been buying burner phones,

622
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 5: Nobody would have been hiding out, not saying certain things

623
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 5: around him, not upsetting him. I mean, one thing that

624
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 5: stood out to me, and it won't make sense until

625
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 5: the Netflix documentary comes out, but there was something they

626
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 5: said in her exchange about how her Capricorn and Lauren

627
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 5: London were in the kitchen talking about why they don't

628
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 5: have a man, and Diddy tells Cassie to go into

629
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 5: wherever he was, and he displays in front of these women.

630
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 5: To Cassie, he says, stand up, sit down, turn to

631
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 5: the left, turn to the right, go look this way,

632
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 5: look that way, whatever the commands were, and then he

633
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 5: looked over at them and said, that's why you don't

634
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 5: have a man. And there are things that there are

635
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 5: actual pieces of proof that suggest that that is very

636
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 5: much the way in which the expectations for females to

637
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 5: behave was. And I don't think you were kept around

638
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 5: for long if you wanted to act differently.

639
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: Something that Capricorn testified to in cross examination was jarring

640
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: to us and certainly jaw dropping. But when the defense

641
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 3: attorneys asked her to recount, or to paraphrase, at least,

642
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: they asked her if this were in fact true, that

643
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: she was recounting a conversation that she had with Cassie,

644
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 3: and she was telling in the statement that she was

645
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: begging Cassie to leave Dinny. You gotta leave him, you

646
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: gotta leave. You can't stay with him anymore after everything

647
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: she had seen, and what her remark was or what

648
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 3: her testimony was that Cassie said this, jay Z is taken,

649
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: who would I date? And the lawyer said, is that

650
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 3: what Cassie Ventura said? Did Cassie Ventura say to you,

651
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: jay Z is taken? Who else would I date?

652
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 5: And she said, yes, Well, here's a bigger picture thought,

653
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 5: because that is a hard one to lay into. Does

654
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 5: it matter if somebody wanted to be with someone rich

655
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 5: and powerful and wanted to be with somebody at the

656
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: top in regards to any of these charges, No, what

657
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 5: type of aspirational woman she was, what she valued or

658
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 5: what she wanted in a boyfriend, and it could have

659
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 5: just been a joke. But either way, if it wasn't

660
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 5: a joke, and she did have an aspiration of being

661
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 5: with the biggest and the best, which frankly a lot

662
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 5: of people do. Look at you, you got TJTJ. You

663
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 5: got amy biggest and best. Somebody fought for it, other

664
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 5: people fight for it at different levels. To me, it's

665
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 5: neither here nor there. It doesn't It doesn't have anything

666
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 5: to do with kidnapping with weapons, robbery or invade home invasion.

667
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 4: And car bombing and.

668
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 5: Continuous amounts of I mean, he locked Capricorn up for

669
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 5: in a was it a co instruction building for like

670
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 5: five days when jewelry went missing. That's not a normal

671
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 5: thing for a boss to do. When jewelry's misplaced.

672
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: The light detector test and a man by a.

673
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 5: Lie detector test. I mean, let's be real now, light

674
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 5: detector tests aren't even admissible in court.

675
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: Who would even do something like that.

676
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 5: I don't think that that had anything to do with

677
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 5: her finally getting it right. I think it had to

678
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: do with look at the degrees in which I will

679
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 5: go to make sure that you know to never cross me.

680
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 5: It's coercion.

681
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was just curious what you thought because

682
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 3: you were just speaking to It only takes one duror.

683
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: It only takes one duror. And if you were now

684
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 3: throwing some sort of holes or at least in terms

685
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 3: of was she complicit? Was she really doing all of

686
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 3: this against her will? Was she actually being coerced and

687
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: forced to do these freak offs and forced to endure

688
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: all of this abuse. If she's actually saying, hey, it's

689
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: worth it because I get what I want in the end.

690
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: I want to be with the richard, powerful guy. I

691
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: love this luxurious lifestyle. Yeah, I might have to enter

692
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: X Y and Z, but I'll do it because I

693
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: want this. That was the concern, or at least I'm

694
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 3: sure that's what the defense's goal was, to least eat

695
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: it out in wonder, who thinks you know what?

696
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 2: She wanted it, She asked for it, she was complicit

697
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: in it.

698
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 5: So let me say two things about that. My first

699
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 5: one being there have been plenty of things that have

700
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 5: shown she was not complicit in everything, So that's a

701
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 5: wash right there. Second thing I would say is, as

702
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 5: you were talking, it was bringing all these thoughts up

703
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 5: in regards to there were a lot of things said

704
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 5: to people that are still acting like they want to

705
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 5: stay far away from this trial, that know a good

706
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 5: about about what was happening, and you.

707
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 4: Know who you are, and they were.

708
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 5: There was very specific attempts at trying to divide us,

709
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 5: just as Danity Kane let alone the women that were

710
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 5: being that dated. I mean, it sounds like there was

711
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 5: the vision that was being constantly woven between Kim and Cassie.

712
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 5: I would witness during making the band, whenever Kim came

713
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 5: to watch us, Cassie was drug out. Whether she wanted

714
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 5: to be there or not, she was taken out and

715
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 5: put in the stairwell or the hallway or whatever. Kim

716
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 5: wasn't going to be in a room with her, and

717
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 5: Kim came first. And then when you see Capricorn saying

718
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 5: Cassie got rid of me, Cassie got in there, and

719
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 5: she felt mad about Cassie doing that and thought Cassie

720
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 5: would get rid of her. It seems like instead of

721
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 5: women joining together, which is what we're seeing now right,

722
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 5: potentially a lot of women, whether they liked each other

723
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 5: or not, taking the stand and telling their story with

724
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 5: a lot of bravery, and their story seemed pretty consistent,

725
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 5: and they're not allowed to talk with each other to

726
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 5: come up with anything. You're not allowed to speak to

727
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 5: another victim when you have been approached by Homeland security.

728
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 5: So at that point, you're seeing all these women now

729
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 5: with so much bravery coming forward and talking about all

730
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 5: their experience, and they're all kind of the same, and

731
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 5: they all are also are saying there was jealousy amongst them.

732
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 5: But I don't know that it's necessarily a woman's state

733
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 5: and a healthy environment to just dislike all.

734
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: The women around.

735
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 5: Usually we learn ourselves through the mirror of the men

736
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 5: that are looking at us and if you're being mirrored

737
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: back by the men that were around when I was there,

738
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 5: I feel very worried about what you may think you

739
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 5: are or what you may think you have to be

740
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 5: in order to be appreciated. But it definitely wasn't best

741
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 5: friends with the girls sitting across from you. Divide and

742
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 5: conquer was a very good strategy that was used over there,

743
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 5: and in my opinion, and it obviously worked well. However,

744
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 5: now that we're in a federal trial and there's plenty

745
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 5: of people that established they're not friends anymore. They were

746
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 5: jealous of each other, they didn't like each other, but

747
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 5: the patterns of abuse coercion force these extreme situations that

748
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 5: everybody is discussing. Some people even are still going up

749
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 5: there liking him, but they still saw all the stuff happening.

750
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 5: There's enough. There's enough employees involved, there's enough, there's enough

751
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 5: people that were setting things up, there's enough people helping

752
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 5: possess people across state lines.

753
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 4: There's enough things going.

754
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 5: On where a lot of these charges are being really

755
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 5: established right now.

756
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: Well, one thing's for sure is Capricorn's testimony on Tuesday

757
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 3: was for us at least jaw dropping and and it's

758
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: remarkable you think about how they've been calling all these witnesses.

759
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: It was just her all day and she captivated everyone

760
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: who was listening.

761
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 5: And the new her is after her would have been KK.

762
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 5: So let's see if KK takes the stand, because KK

763
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 5: will would be probably just as shocking. Now. I don't

764
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 5: know if she stays on H Diddy's side or not,

765
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 5: but in some of the civil suits, some things are

766
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 5: alleged that are criminal behavior, So if she's looking for immunity,

767
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 5: she might want to get on that stand allegedly.

768
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 3: There is certainly a lot more to come in city trial,

769
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: but there is actually something that was going on behind

770
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: the scenes from one of the women who took this

771
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: stand last week.

772
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Don Rochard.

773
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: Can you fill us in what's going on or what

774
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: happened between Don Rochard and Q, who we had on

775
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: the podcast earlier, who also alleges to be a victim

776
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways from the Diddy empire and

777
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 3: what he believes happened to him.

778
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: But what was going on between Q and Dawn on

779
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: social media?

780
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 5: So to basically summarize the online exchange between Q and down,

781
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 5: Q posted over the weekend. His post was meant to

782
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 5: clarify the things he told us on the podcast last week,

783
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 5: things that he's been saying for a long time. After that,

784
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 5: Don posted in response to Q's post, denying she had

785
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 5: anything to do with his allegations. Then Q responded to

786
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 5: her post claiming that there was video evidence. Once he

787
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 5: posted the fact that he had receipts, Don then took

788
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 5: her post down. So because of that interview, all of

789
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 5: that occurred over the weekend, and then Don took down

790
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 5: her posts. So I don't know, guys, what do you

791
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 5: think about that? What do you think specifically about the

792
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 5: behavior of making a statement and then retracting it or

793
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 5: they're being video proof, So what do you guys think

794
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 5: about that?

795
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: You know, the back and forth. It's hard to look

796
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: at a lot of anybody in this case. Once you

797
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: start listening to them. Everybody seems like a victim. Everybody

798
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: seems like they were in pain. Everybody seems like they

799
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: were hurt in some way. And yes, including Diddy, yes

800
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: he was at the top of this chain. Some of

801
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: the stuff they describe in his behavior sounds oh maniacal,

802
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: and it does sound like somebody strung adult drugs. This

803
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: is not a suggestion at all that he is not

804
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: guilty of something, is not responsible for what we all

805
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: saw on that video. But this sounds like an ugly

806
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: It sounds like hell on earth. But from the outside,

807
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: it all looked like a world that was glamorous and

808
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: we wanted to be a party in. This is disgusting,

809
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. The more we learn about it,

810
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: that's just an ugly, ugly world. And I hope this

811
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: shit is not still going on to people that were

812
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: your age. Are we going to get in it or

813
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: even younger?

814
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 5: PJ.

815
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 4: Let me just cut in right there.

816
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: Allegedly it is we need a cultural reshift. This is

817
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 5: a sick, sick situation when you have people that have

818
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 5: dreams and music is different than other professions in the

819
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 5: sense that when you guys went to show up for

820
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 5: your job every day, you are in very corporate settings

821
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 5: with very professional people. In these settings, you're in the

822
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 5: studio till three am. If a producer wants to smoke

823
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 5: weed in the room, you got to run to the

824
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 5: stairwell to.

825
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 4: Breathe if you don't want to get high because you

826
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 4: don't like that.

827
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 5: Because they get to do what they want to do,

828
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 5: they're recording the song.

829
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: It's their track, it's their life.

830
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 5: There's no the boundaries are almost nonexistent, no overs there's

831
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 5: no oversight. I mean I never met anyone from HR

832
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 5: A bad Boy, but there's no oversight.

833
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 4: The boundaries are just completely.

834
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 5: Gone, and there needs to be a lot of checks

835
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 5: and balances and.

836
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 4: Accountability.

837
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 5: There are so many people like Listen, MTV and Viacom

838
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 5: can't probably come forward and say, hey, we are so sorry.

839
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 4: We had a show on.

840
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 5: That aired for almost a decade with three different bands

841
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 5: and every single person there's a person in every single

842
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 5: band that has a horrific situation and is suing or

843
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: wants an apology, whatever it is, and we're so sorry

844
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 5: we didn't know whatever it is. It would have felt

845
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 5: good to hear they haven't even done that. They likely

846
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 5: can't legally because it will imply them and their names

847
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 5: are listed in the lawsuits of the people that are

848
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 5: suing from the band era. But accountability would go a

849
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 5: long way when I see they're back and forth. The

850
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 5: only thing that just stood out to me is when

851
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 5: you make a bold statement and then you delete it,

852
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 5: it's not a good look in my opinion. Well, have

853
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 5: you guys, ever made a statement about a serious matter

854
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 5: that you were in and then deleted it.

855
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: Oh, it sends a message we just deleted that. That

856
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: means somebody gave it a second thought, or they were wrong,

857
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: or they jumped the gun or something. That's what it usually.

858
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: Suggests to either regret at the very.

859
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: Least, and we have to get you before we let

860
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: you go here. We have to have to have to

861
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: ask about one moment that was another in the whole

862
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: line of heartbroaking, heartbreaking moments that we saw, which was

863
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: when she described did he kicking Cassie while she was

864
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: in a fetal position crying silently? After they found out

865
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: about him? The kid cut he dating after did he

866
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: found out about it? And it was robes what the

867
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: call she made to Cassie's mom and then Cassie's mom's

868
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: response is the part that kind of stuck.

869
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 3: Cassie's mom saying, I can't call police, what will you

870
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: please help my daughter? That was so incredibly heartbreaking to

871
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: see a woman witnessing she claims Diddy kicking a woman

872
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 3: in fetal position crying silently and the mom knowing this

873
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 3: is happening and can still do nothing about it. That

874
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: was or yeah, that's a very good point. Won't do anything,

875
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 3: says I can't. That was heartbreaking.

876
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: I can't think of another word for it.

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Speaker 5: Actually, soon there's going to be an episode dropping where

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Speaker 5: I talked to doctor Hilary Goldscher and we had an

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Speaker 5: incredible conversation about why women stay and the psychology behind

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Speaker 5: these abusive settings.

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Speaker 4: And how.

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Speaker 5: Victims almost become paralyzed in them.

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Speaker 3: So many issues that not just affect the people in

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Speaker 3: the arena in the Diddy Empire.

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Speaker 2: But also everyone who's faced something like that.

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Speaker 3: So we appreciate your constant perspective, Aubrey o Day, and

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Speaker 3: we will continue to follow the Ditty trial for all

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Speaker 3: of you listeners.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.