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Speaker 1: There's this argument going on among artists. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in shutting my mouth. And if no

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Speaker 2: Let's just take that that recent image of the four

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Speaker 2: a little bit about how you bring you know, these

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Speaker 2: these ideas or images to life in your art. One

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Speaker 2: of the most challenging things, in my opinion, is is

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Speaker 2: how to capture culture in a way that's outside of

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Speaker 2: what we're traditionally inundated with with political punditry or you know,

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Speaker 3: Out, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think there's always a unique way that can emerge

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Speaker 2: through a medium that I've been passionate about since I

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Speaker 2: so today's guest, George Alexopolis is I don't want to

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Speaker 2: call him a conservative artist or a right wing artist,

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Speaker 2: because I don't think that's appropriate to constrain any artist

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Speaker 2: in that measure. But certainly Georgia's images have and are

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Speaker 2: having a profound impact on kind of the social consciousness

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Speaker 2: of the conservative movement. His last image, that was posted

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Speaker 2: two days ago was already has five point four million

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Speaker 2: the transit boss. So you know, George, I can't thank

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the invite. The pleasure is mine. I promise awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Can I just get started.

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Speaker 2: Every artist that I ever have the opportunity to chat

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Speaker 3: And how did you know you were passionate about art?

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Speaker 1: then and that didn't work out, but I started to

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Speaker 2: never forget my going into my senior year in high school,

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Speaker 3: And I was doing all this.

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Speaker 1: Can I? If I tell you the truth, like, I

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Speaker 1: still don't know if it is viable. I'm forty years old.

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Speaker 2: I it's I think digital art in anime and man manga, manga.

434
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Speaker 3: I'm saying that I always say that wrong.

435
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's a movement, and now with AI,

436
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: I think there's a uh you know, maybe it'll be

437
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: a revitalization and we'll have more of those people that

438
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: are living in that What what would be the appropriate

439
00:25:54,520 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 2: we are living in that sense of of retract the

440
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: capability right where there's this energy inside of them driving

441
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: a need to express themselves, but they're not quite sure

442
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 2: how to do it, where to do it, why to

443
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: do it, or in what capacity to do it? And

444
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: so I feel like now is an opportunity for so

445
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: many more people to figure out how to create. I mean,

446
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: obviously you see the explosion of creators or whoever on YouTube, Instagram,

447
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: you know, all the different social media. But it's like,

448
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: is there more and more unique artists emerging through these

449
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: new kind of technological capabilities. I mean, you're immersed in

450
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 2: that world. You're paying I don't know if you are

451
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: paying close attention to what's popping, what's not Popping's what's

452
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: gaining the rounds in terms of views or likes or

453
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: what or the markets of what's being sold. But what

454
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: are you saying as as the modern era of art

455
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: and technological art is emerging, you've seen that's kind of

456
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: gaining relevance in your opinion.

457
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: As far as popularity, I mean, obviously AI is making

458
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: it's completely shattering, it's threatening to shatter the entire industry,

459
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: including mine. So I don't like AI for personal reasons.

460
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: It is a tool. That tool that's another hot word too.

461
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: People use it and they say that I'm an artist,

462
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's a whole two hour discussion in itself.

463
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: How do I even begin.

464
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: I believe it's not going to replace artists. I just

465
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: don't think it is. I think I think what it'll

466
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: be is there'll be a stamp you know or something

467
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: you know, because the art will be could like you

468
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: just sit in reference with Van Gogh, the art is

469
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: connected to the individual, and I think, like you right,

470
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: your art is connected to you. And I think the

471
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: more the public begins to get to know you and

472
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: understand your stance and where you're at your commentary about

473
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: if I worked in an office and someone made a

474
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: horrific comment about Charlie Kirk's.

475
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: Death, I would go off.

476
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: So now those images that people are seeing, and this

477
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: is my hope with doing the interview with you, is

478
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 2: that they're going to start to connect the individual with

479
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: the art. And I don't think AI is going to

480
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: be able to replace that. I think it'll it'll make

481
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 2: a hardcore run at it, but I don't think it'll

482
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: reprice it replace.

483
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: No. I think it's something like it will give everyone.

484
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: Like naysayers will say photography didn't replace painting. Paintings still exists,

485
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: but I would argue that painters had a lot more

486
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: opportunities for jobs before photography became a thing. And then

487
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: when people realize that I could just take a picture

488
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: of my family a it's cheaper, I understand that it's

489
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: like a painting. It's better than paintings. Now you can

490
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: record people in video. Now it's paintings kind of like

491
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: a niche thing. It's It's the way I would compare

492
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: AI if there is an artist next to me that

493
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: said I'm gonna use AI to help me train and

494
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: do better images, and they don't train as hard as

495
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: another artist. It's like if I'm climbing a mountain and

496
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: then I go on foot all the way to the

497
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: peak and I say I climbed this mountain, versus they

498
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: take a helicopter up to the peak and say, oh,

499
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: I made it to the peak, but did they climb it.

500
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 1: It's not life and death. It's not serious. But like

501
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: for the people who have spent their whole life and

502
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: want to spend their whole lives dedicating themselves to the discipline.

503
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: Like I compare it, this is really corny, but like

504
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of this series called Vagabond. It's

505
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: a manga series about Miyamoto Musashi, and it's all about

506
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: like for him, the Way of the Sword and all

507
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: cheesy stuff, but like the whole point of it is

508
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: to learn about yourself and gain enlightenment, and it's about

509
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: the journey. So you're studying this art for your whole life,

510
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: and it is tempering you as a person, and the

511
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: whole journey is the point of it. If someone uses

512
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: AI to get really good at rendering, that's not the

513
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: same thing as devoting yourself to the discipline. It's like

514
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: buying a black belt versus earning a black belt. So

515
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: I realized, like when someone argues with me that they're

516
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: using AI and they're just using it to illustrate what's

517
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: in their head.

518
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: I get it.

519
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: If everyone uses AI and clients decide to use it,

520
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: then people like me. Let's say I was twenty years

521
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: old and I'm losing jobs to AI people, I would

522
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: maybe be discouraged from pushing it, pushing my career to

523
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: my forties, So I'm losing twenty years of practice whereas

524
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: now it's too late for me. I've already put in

525
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: the practice. I'm not going to ever use AI. I'm

526
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: never going to touch it. So I'm a stubborn middle

527
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: aged guy whatever. I'm getting older and I'm never going

528
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: to touch it because I value the path of the artist,

529
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: the way of the sword. Whatever. Yeah, oh it's true,

530
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: but that's you know, I realize I may be one

531
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: of the last people who are I think that way.

532
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: The generation after me. If you're twenty years old right

533
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: now practicing, you may use AI and I don't know.

534
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: It's like swords versus guns. Guns will beat swords. But

535
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm devoting myself to the sword anyway, even if I'm outclassed.

536
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: What can I do about that?

537
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's nobility in that and that that'll

538
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: drive more people towards towards you. I mean, there's you know, obviously,

539
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: art is a niche thing anyways, in terms of of

540
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: people's opinion and what they see as art versus another

541
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: person and what they see as art. I think, you know,

542
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: the same thing is is potentially going to happen in

543
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: music and film and you know, maybe not theater obviously,

544
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: but you.

545
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: Know, I just I believe.

546
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: That there's going to be a large contingency of people

547
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: that are going to always seek out, you know, the

548
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: guy who cuts his ear.

549
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: Off, you know.

550
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: And I think that's just that the correlation of the

551
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: human soul and the art is what makes the art beautiful.

552
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: And so I, you know, I I hope it doesn't happen.

553
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: I think, you know, you're a lot of your your

554
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: The probability of it is certainly there. But I also

555
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: still think that people are seeking out you know, you

556
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: know what what you're doing. I mean, I obviously you're

557
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: following is getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

558
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: You know.

559
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: How, how when you the process, like let's just take

560
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: that that recent image of the four box of the

561
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: girl on the train, you know, talk to us about

562
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: the process of seeing her video or whatever it is,

563
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: how it hits you, what you do and how you

564
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: come up, how you go through the process, if you

565
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: want to get technical, not technical, how you frame it

566
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: out in your head. Just tell us a little bit

567
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: about how you bring you know, these these ideas or

568
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: images to life in your art.

569
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Speaker 1: I mean, I consider these strips diary entries more than

570
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: people call Some people try to call it memes or something.

571
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: They're not. I'm just expressing. I read the news constantly.

572
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm a huge news like freak, mostly because I'm It's

573
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: like with nine to eleven, I was comparing the Charlie

574
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: Kirkton and now I couldn't stop looking at the news.

575
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: I think because subconsciously, I'm so afraid that I need

576
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: to have every little piece of information in case I

577
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: have to do something. But what am I going to do.

578
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to dodge a bullet. So I am

579
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: obsessively looking at the news. And last earlier this week

580
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: it was the Arena story with she got slashed or

581
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: stabbed or whatever, and man, I could not I have

582
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: not slept properly this week at all. Like yeah, I've

583
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: been crying for no reason, not for no reason, Like

584
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: I have this room behind me. I know I'm telling

585
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: this story this little quiet room, I have my little

586
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: zen room, and I'm just sitting there for I've been

587
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: sitting there for hours just staring and listening to the

588
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: news and like really like getting emotionally like I'm wrecked.

589
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: I can't sleep. So first thing this week was the

590
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: Arena story she gets stabbed, and it's just the saddest

591
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: thing like I've seen in a long time, and it's

592
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: so pathetic and sad the way she died, and it's

593
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: like it's bothering me. I need an exorcism. And so

594
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, well, I have to draw something because

595
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: I need to get this out of me. I need

596
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: to sleep. There's something that's trying to come out and

597
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. And I keep like thinking, Okay,

598
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: is this somebody? What if this is someone I love

599
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: that got stabbed like that? That's very sad. What if

600
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: it's me? So the next thought was, okay, I'll put

601
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: myself in her shoes. Okay, we're looking at her POV.

602
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: What is she looking at her phone? Next thing, she

603
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: knows she's getting hit by something. Looks up, there's this

604
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: fucking sorry for cursing, this demon looking down at her.

605
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: Next thing, she looks down. She's bleeding to death. Maybe

606
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: she's got fifteen seconds left, and then she just cries.

607
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: Saddest thing I've seen in a long time. So like, okay,

608
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: that's for one, two, three, four, that's four panels. I'll

609
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: just draw that, and I treat every strip of the

610
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: same couple hours only takes a couple hours to do them,

611
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: and then I just draw it, I upload it, and

612
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: then hopefully other people get something out of it meaningfully,

613
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, they get some meaning out of it, and

614
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: in this case, a lot of people were talking about

615
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: it NonStop, so it just it struck the bulls eye.

616
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't care about the fame, I don't care about

617
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: the numbers. I just needed to get it out of me.

618
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: And it was so sad. And then of course Charlie

619
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: Kirk was like the next no, it was the same

620
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: day I put that strip. It was later that day.

621
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: So that's been the week. That's been this week, I

622
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: have not I woke up at four thirty this morning,

623
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep.

624
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: My cat woke me up to.

625
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just it's been a hell of a week.

626
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: And sometimes when you're going through pain, whatever difficult stuff,

627
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: the best thing to do is try to try to

628
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: manage it. Is to somehow express it, get it out

629
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: of you, kind of like a puzzle that you're trying

630
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: to solve, just so that it's not bouncing around in

631
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: your head. Put it in a physical form, even just

632
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: write it down like a poem or a short story.

633
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: Get it out and then maybe your brain can say

634
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: I can stop worrying about this. I've put it in

635
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: a box here, so I'll do my strips there. It's uploaded,

636
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: it's done. I'm going to try to not worry about

637
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: it anymore. But you know, we live in weird times

638
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: where something's always going to be I think it's going

639
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: to get worse. Uh, I don't know. So I don't know.

640
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to keep if it's going

641
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: to keep happening. But yeah, I don't care so much

642
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: about the numbers, you know, fame whatever, who cares. But

643
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: if people get something out of it, I think that's

644
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: probably good. If it helps people would message me DM

645
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: me and say like your strip made me cry or something,

646
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I guess that's probably good. Yeah, you know,

647
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: it helps. It helps with the managing because like I'm

648
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: talking too much now, but at a death in the family,

649
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: like a a couple of years ago, and I was

650
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: not able to cry at the time, and I don't

651
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: think that's healthy. I think people should cry, because if

652
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: you don't, I think it manifests negatively in other ways.

653
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: So it's good to try to get it out. So

654
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: If the strip helped people, that's good. That's a good thing.

655
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: They're not supposed to be funny. You know, there's no

656
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: joke here.

657
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. It helped me for sure. It

658
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: was one of the first things that came across my feed.

659
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: And you know, I did a show that'll that'll drop

660
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: on a few days where I had hit a pretty

661
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: significant place of outrage. And you know, I think, as

662
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: we are viewing, you know this, this vitriol, this insiduousness

663
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: that's permeating across our society, and I think into a

664
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: granderstin around the world. I mean, I mean take five

665
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: seconds and look at Ukraine, right, you know, two million

666
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: plus young men have been annihilated over nothing. You look

667
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: at what's going on in Israel. You look at what's

668
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: going on Scotland, Britain, Scotland, Britain. That that girl, I mean,

669
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: that was another one you did with the girl with

670
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: the hatchet and the knife, and you know, I did

671
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: a little piece and posted that and it's gotten several

672
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 2: hundred thousand views on it, and you know, I think

673
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: what it is is what you're feeling. A lot a

674
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: lot of people are feeling. I'm feeling it, and I

675
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: think the beauty of art is art can encapsulate those

676
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: feelings beyond the what is it the surreal horror of

677
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: the video we watch? I mean, you know, I remember

678
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: I was at a volleyball game when the news of

679
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: you know, Charlie's desk with exploding across the net, and

680
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: then you know it was the far video and then

681
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 2: there was the up close video of the next shot

682
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: and impact, and then you know is massive exanguination. And

683
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: this woman was like, oh my gosh, just think of

684
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: all the kids who are going to see this. And

685
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, my kids are going to watch it. I'm

686
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: going to to force them to watch it. And she

687
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 2: looked at me as if I was crazy, and I

688
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: was like, now, this is the state of things.

689
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: This is our reality.

690
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: And I think what really hit me about your piece

691
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: and a lot of your pieces for as long as

692
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: I've been paying attention, you are a you, and in

693
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: this one in particular, you were able to put us

694
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: in her seat. And I think, I think, I think

695
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: artists have the capacity to do that, right, They put

696
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: you inside the emotion, and you know, anybody that you know,

697
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if I think so many people are

698
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: just under what is it, underinformed about what art is

699
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: and how it works and where it comes from. Like,

700
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: I love that you talk about it. It's just inside

701
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: of you. You have to do it like it's the

702
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: thing that keeps you up and it's searching for the

703
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: answer cognitively, emotionally. Well, when you can do what you

704
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: do in those images, man, that transforms people's It deepens

705
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: their emotional connection to the moment.

706
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, there are instances where people would not want

707
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: to watch those videos, like you mentioned, it's too horrific.

708
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: But then maybe a cartoon is allowing for a level

709
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: of abstraction to exist where you're you're taking the lesson

710
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: but not It's like putting sugar on the medicine, a

711
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: little bit of sugar so that it doesn't taste as

712
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: bad or it doesn't haunt you as badly. No, I

713
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: don't want to watch that lady get stabbed arena and

714
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: bleed out. It's horrifying, it's haunting. But maybe if I

715
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: do a little puppet show of it, I can communicate

716
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: the horror without having to show people. But there are

717
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: some people who just will bury their head in the sand,

718
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: and unfortunately I don't think society the world is in

719
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: a place where we can keep doing that, because that

720
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: just allows the badness to keep growing. I was thinking about,

721
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: like a guy, Guys that are in your position, your profession,

722
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: with your history and stuff. It's crazy to me to

723
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: think like you guys are just as helpless as I am,

724
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: even with all your training and everything. I can't imagine

725
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: what it must feel like, because if somebody robs you

726
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: on the street, it's like, oh, I'll just beat his

727
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: ass and get my money back. But there is no

728
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: bad guy in front of you. Who are you supposed

729
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: to go after when that guy stabbed the lady on

730
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: the bus. You can't do anything. You're as helpless as anyone,

731
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: and that's especially horrifying. Who do we fight to make

732
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: this stop? How do we make ourselves and our families safe?

733
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: How do we make a Charlie if someone could get

734
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Charlie that way? We're all vulnerable, which is fine, I

735
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: can accept that, but the human mind is not designed

736
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: to be under that much stress for that long, especially

737
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: without training for that much continuous stress, and people can

738
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: go crazy. I'm sure you have a million stories. The

739
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: average civilian is not able to handle that kind of stress,

740
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: like they end up doing drugs or drinking or who

741
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: knows what else kind of just self destructive behavior. Psychologically,

742
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: it's like I just want to I'm talking too much. Men.

743
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: Men try to hurt other people, and women hurt themselves.

744
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: This is a broad generalization, when they're too stressed and

745
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: they just need to hurt something. We keep seeing this pattern.

746
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: The bad guys need to hurt society, punish society, and

747
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: women end up doing self destructive behavior in other ways,

748
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: and we just keep spiraling and it's not stopping. And

749
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: the only way I can describe it is it's a

750
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: spiritual crisis that needs supernatural intervention. So when a guy

751
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: like Charlie dies, and I think, okay, if he was

752
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: really like a super Christian, he would not want us

753
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: to want retribution, at least in terms of like let's

754
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: go and get bad let's go get them. He would

755
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: say pray for your enemy, just like Jesus would say,

756
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: which is a very hard thing to do, very very hard.

757
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: But then I think about those passages where it's like Jesus,

758
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: we were God's enemies and Jesus died it for us anyway,

759
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: So therefore we have to love our enemies. I'm like,

760
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: that is so in light of this week. That is

761
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: so much harder than it sounds like on text on

762
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: a page. Turn the other cheek, but hey, look, we're

763
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: going to shoot you in the neck. Are you still

764
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: going to turn the other cheek? Oh, that's what happened

765
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: to the apostles. They all died almost like they just

766
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: let themselves die because that's what Jesus did. It's like, Oh,

767
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: that's what it means to be a Christian. Oh, that's

768
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: why so many Christians and churches are like falling because

769
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: they don't actually believe that. I don't think I can't.

770
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: It's hard. I think Charlie did, though.

771
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: I hundred percent believe he did. And what I hope

772
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: is that, you know, the feeling that everybody's feeling just

773
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: makes us want to preach the gospel even more, or

774
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: preach even if you can't do that, even if you're

775
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: not convint. You know, your conviction of the Gospelism is

776
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: where you have the courage to do that. But it's

777
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: it's it's bring bring awareness, to bring a dialogue, to

778
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: to bring the light right, to expose the insanity of

779
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 2: of the opposition's ideology or the pathology or whatever you

780
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: want to describe it, and to bring more attention, to

781
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: bring more young people, to bring more UH people. I

782
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: don't even know how many videos I saw of supposed

783
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: UH liberals saying that's it, I'm done, this is horrific,

784
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 2: this is not okay.

785
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: So you know, you know, in that sacrifice, I e.

786
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: The sacrifice that the apostles all made to martyr themselves

787
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: to be spreading the nerd, not to denounce the good news.

788
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: You know, that's what Charlie has become an apostle, right,

789
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 2: He sacrificed himself to to bring that that reality to people,

790
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: to to you know, to get out there and have dialogue,

791
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: to attack these destructive, violent, insidious ideas and dismantle them publicly, right,

792
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: to dismantle them in a framework.

793
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: And that's why they went after him.

794
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why he was such a target a

795
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: threat because he wasn't advocating for violence. He wasn't trying

796
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: regime changes or killing innocent civilians for power grabs. What

797
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: he was merely trying to do is say, hey, listen,

798
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: you need to rethink about what you're doing, you know,

799
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: and I think your your images are triggers for that

800
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: because it's and it's a way nobody else can communicate.

801
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: Nobody else can communicate the sensation of being in that

802
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: seat and being in that girl's mind proposed you know,

803
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's proposedly or I don't know whatever,

804
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: but to imagine ourselves in that horror like you were

805
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 2: able to do. And I just, man, I just think,

806
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 2: like that gift and that opportunity, and that's that's your

807
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: ability to fight back against these On the other side, right,

808
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: it's the the irrational, deranged, delusional thinking.

809
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: Uh.

810
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: And on our side, it's it's to temper uh, the

811
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: what the the the guttural limbic reaction to want to

812
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: seek retribution and revenge violently. I think that's why it's

813
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: so important that you continue doing what you're doing and

814
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: and and in the ways that you're doing it. Do

815
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: you feel any type of kind of that weight to

816
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: your work now, especially after this work week.

817
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: I try not to think about it or worry about it.

818
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: So like if a strip, if I'm just reading the news,

819
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: if I'm submerged in it and something's bothering me, or

820
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: if I think of a funny way to twist something,

821
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: I'll just draw it as a strip and that'll be

822
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: the last time I think about it, hopefully. I don't

823
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: want to think about this in terms of big picture

824
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: because I think I have a my personality, like, there's

825
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: a lot of problems with it. It tends towards narcissism

826
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: and pride and stuff. So I don't want to start

827
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: thinking like I'm special or anything. I'm not, and I

828
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: don't want to let myself think that I am. So

829
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: I just do these because I feel compelled to, and

830
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: whatever happens happens, I think is going to be my position.

831
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: If I'm told like, oh, this is good, you should

832
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: keep doing it, and if I'm able financially to keep

833
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: doing it, which I am right now, then fine, that's

834
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: as far as I care about it. I don't care

835
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: about it much further than that. But I do understand

836
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: that there's people who are disposed like a Charlie, like

837
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: he's a special person. He's got that personality where he

838
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: can like I mean, he carries this torch with him,

839
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: or carried this torch with him wherever he went, and

840
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: people followed, and it's like, oh wow, I'm going to

841
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: follow and listen to that guy there's I think I

842
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: suppose you could say we all have a role in

843
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: this drama, this stage play that we're living in, and

844
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: I guess whatever our calling is, just do get up

845
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: every morning and do what you can faithfully. I suppose.

846
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's the way I'm doing it anyway. Charlie

847
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: had his calling, if I have mine, fine, So I'm

848
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: not I'm not too worried about my role in all this,

849
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: but I would like to see a healed world. But

850
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: because of my faith, it's you know, it's going to

851
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: get worse before it gets better. It's one of those things,

852
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: if if the Bible is to be believed. So I'm

853
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: just going to continue faithfully as best I can and

854
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: not worry about the details because it's out of my hands.

855
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: And thank god it's not in my hands, because I

856
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: would I would botch it for sure.

857
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: Well, George, I appreciate your sincerity and your comments. I'm

858
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 2: beyond grateful for your talent and what you're doing out there.

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Speaker 2: You know, where can people go and help support you

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Speaker 2: and follow you? And then would you have anything coming

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Speaker 2: in the future other than that job children's book?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm on X and Instagram at G Prime eighty five.

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Speaker 1: I guess I have subscriptions open on x if anyone

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Speaker 1: wants to subscribe. It's just like a tip jar basically.

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Speaker 1: And my next project is going to be coming out.

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Speaker 1: We're expecting the books any minute now, maybe even today.

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Speaker 1: It's a children's book, a sequel to my first. It's

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Speaker 1: like a little mouse book for kids. The first one's

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Speaker 1: called Goofberry Pie. The second one's title has not been

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Speaker 1: announced yet. So yeah, if you have like kids, I

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Speaker 1: would say under ten, it's like a fun book to

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Speaker 1: read to them. They I'm told they love the pictures

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Speaker 1: and stuff. So yeah, it should be coming out very soon.

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Speaker 1: We're selling it through my wife's shop, which is at

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Speaker 1: Polka Dot p O K I d O T Underscore shop.

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Speaker 1: But we'll be making announcements in the next few days. Well.

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Speaker 1: With the news being what it is, I don't think

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Speaker 1: we're gonna announce anything, but it'll be out soon enough.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, George, thank you so much. Appreciate it. John, keep

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Speaker 2: art alive. Uh and I just I'm grateful for what

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Speaker 2: you do, buddy. Thanks for thank you, thank you for

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Speaker 2: the invite.