WEBVTT - Draft Show: Stock Up, Stock Down 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:11.440 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:21.800 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Is the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:26.680 dot Com Draft Show, your war room for incenter news 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:30.480 and trapped analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.360 headquarters at the Star in Frisco, Dallas, Sets, running back 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:41.240 and now your hosts David Hellman, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:48.239 and Kyle Yeoman's. It's a beautiful Thursday in Frisco as 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.680 we're back in the Walling Star State, back in the 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.600 SWBC Mortgage studios, fresh off our trip from Indianapolis, and 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.240 more importantly, we are back with Jeff Cavanaugh and Kevin 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.000 Turner the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. The Boys 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.040 are back in town. David Elman, Kyle Elman's myself as 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.960 we continue to break down the NFL combine and exactly 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.920 what happened out in Indianapolis, how that affected everyone's draft stock, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.240 and before we really get into the players, Jeff, I've 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.560 got to thank you because last time we were in 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.800 this room, you told me to take layers to Indianapolis. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.720 I thought you're gonna say you went to the Slippery Noodle. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.360 Oh we actually did that too. Yeah, so yeah, so 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.600 two things I could thank you for. You're welcome. But 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.640 we went to the slippery Noodle. We also took layers 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:34.760 and I went back and packed more layers after you 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:36.399 told me to do that, and I'm so glad that 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.399 I did. It was extremely cold. Yeah, INDI's colder. Do 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.720 you think numbers? We don't register numbers as people who 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.280 live in DFW. You can see whatever numbers you want, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.200 but that doesn't mean that you're actually gonna like register it. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:52.600 Speak entirely for yourself, no, man, Yeah, listen, I have 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.760 a pretty firm grasp on what each temperature feels like. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.120 I feel. I think, No, man, I don't know what 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.080 you're saying. Okay, I mean even with the temperature that was, 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.120 it was whenever we turned the corner, Dave and you 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.320 were a testament to this as well, when we would 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.240 turn the corner in the downtown street and get he 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.280 once fell in. He once fell down, laughing and refused 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.480 to keep walking. Years ago at the combine, he's telling 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.440 you that he has a weather stuff figured out. This 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.040 dude literally fell on the sidewalk and was giggling and 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.440 get up because he was so cold. That really did happen. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.600 It was also minus five. There's a huge difference between 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.080 minus five and I don't know, it was like seventeen. 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.480 It feels like seven. I'm gonna say it was about 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.600 thirty with a wind chill of seventeen. Yeah, but that 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.720 is a true story. This was in ad I was 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.840 twenty fourteen. Yeah it was. It was below zero and 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.360 I thought I was going to die in the street. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.360 A couple of lemonades. Okay, So there's a little bit 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.520 of liquid courage there as well. Sure, Okay, so that 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.840 played a little bit of a factor. Kat, How was 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.000 your week? It was an excellent week. And I gotta admit, 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.680 we're under fifty days until the draft is here. Forty 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.320 nine and then the Combine just told me. You know, 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.679 you watched the Combine and you're like, okay, yeah, it 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.840 reaffirmed some things, but it also told me, oh god, 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.239 I need to go back and watch about forty guys, 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.360 because there's a lot of confusing things that happened at 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.280 the Combine. But I will take thirty degrees in Indianapolis. 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.840 And at the end of February, all day I felt like, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.200 you guys got lucky. Yeah, it was away. It wasn't 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.400 that bad. But it was also the snow in the 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.880 wind that was the issue. Yeah, I think that was 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.639 the biggest thing. Yet I don't know yet. No, I 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.520 haven't yet. You gotta kept one of those negative one 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.760 hundred and eighty six days there in India before you 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:30.760 know well. And even if I did hit one of 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.160 those days, I was prepared thanks to you, because you 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.160 told me to take extra layers and I did. But 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.760 you mentioned some of the confusing parts of the combine 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.080 and trying to figure out exactly what some of these 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.920 prospects bring to the table. I thought now would be 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:49.000 a better time than any to go into some stock 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.040 up stock down between some of those players that we 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.200 saw during the combine. Each of us have gone around, 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.800 given two guys that have had their stock risen over 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.360 the week in Indianapolis and two that had their stock 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.120 drop a little bit. And Jeff, we're gonna start with you. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.160 Let's start with stock up, go around the table, and 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:06.880 then we'll do stock down here in a moment. Okay, 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.400 did you build graphics? You a graphic building guy? Yeah, 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:10.960 I sent you three of each, so I made sure 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:12.960 to make it very confusing. So let me make sure 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.040 that I see which guys I actually got picked here 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:20.080 and then I'll tell you exactly hood oh oh god, wow, yeah, 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:25.000 stock up on these two Denzels. Denzel Mims good tape. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.320 Then after having good tape, he went ahead and tore 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.200 the Senior Bowl. Then after tearing up the Senior Bowl, 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.279 he went and tested as an elite athlete. So for 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.680 Denzel Mims, I think that probably took him from I 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.520 don't know. Before the Senior Bowl, people weren't really talking 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.400 like a middle round guy, maybe a fourth, fifth round guy. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.120 And now there's probably no way he gets out of 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.919 the second So Denzel Mims stock all the way up. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.520 That's my biggest frustration with Denzel Mims is a guy 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.760 who's the and I admit I'm this guy. I'm the 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:58.960 guy who if a band gets famous everyone's talking about. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:02.200 Everyone's talking about about a TV show like st five 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.400 years after it was at like, oh now that parks 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.760 and records on Netflix, it could be everyone's favorite show. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.400 It's like, no, I watched it from the beginning. Denzel Mims, 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.479 from the beginning, I had in the second round, so 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.120 so did I. You don't get to take him from 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:14.760 me just because you liked him, I know, but it's 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.480 just like the whole world's like all of a sudden, Oh, 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.240 Denzel Mims is pretty good, and I'm like, yeah, he 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.479 was good all year, like it happened works, I know, 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.160 and it's still frustrating. You're just now we've been doing 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.719 this for six years. I used to be ahead of people. No, 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:30.760 I am used to it. It's just that one was 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.960 a strange one because I never saw anything on tape 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:38.800 that was concerning No, there's nothing there. He single handedly 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.560 get rid of the Baylor stereotype of their wide receivers 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.279 can only do three things like he's just he's awesome, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.400 and the combine. I didn't know he's gonna blow it 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.000 up that much. Agin he was gonna do really good, 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.680 but I didn't know he's gonna blow it up that much. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.440 And it's just like such confirmation when there's a lot 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.480 of people whose wide receiver group is Yes, it's crowded. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.760 I understand that. I get that, but he has held 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.640 his own. Did you write in your notes when you 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.479 were watching mems this guy is an elite, elite, elite athlete. Uh, 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.080 you know what, I don't know what I wrote, Probably 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.760 not didn't write down, Oh no, and he's the best 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.680 athlete ever. And then he went to the combine, it's like, oh, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.760 he's the best athlete every Yeah, he ran a top 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.560 five forty. People who don't like the combine like that's 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.080 the trap that people always fall into. It's like, oh, 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.000 you're falling in love with this guy because he ran 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:25.760 a four four At the comment it's like, no, no, 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:27.760 but I already liked him. And when a guy who 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.400 looks good on tape goes out and posts those measurables, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.599 it's just even more confirmation that you're you're sniffing in 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.240 the right direction. And I feel like that's where some 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.240 of the debate has come around the combine, And we 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.640 even talked about this a little last week with Dane saying, 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.640 what is important about the combine It has to be 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.880 supplemental to what you're already watching on film. He can't 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.640 be the only measurement. I think this is a perfect 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.520 example of film looks good and then he tears like 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.120 you said, tears up the Senior Bowl, and then he 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.520 does the same thing for the NFL Combine as well. 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:58.800 C J. Henderson was the same thing for CJ. Henderson 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.960 I thought it was just confirmation of everything that you 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.560 hoped that. He's you know, six one, he's over two 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.440 hundred pounds, he's running in the four threes, great jumps, 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:13.000 So you're just partnering great tape with great measurables. You go, Okay, seventeen, 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.000 that works well. CJ. Henderson scares me a little bit, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.000 and not in a good way. Well, what I'm trying 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.960 to say is we I mean we all we all 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.200 like him, right, absolutely? Yes, he's been my cornerback three 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.520 pretty much the whole time. He's six one, two oh four. 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.160 And he goes out and puts that up on tape, which, again, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.440 like his tape was already good. Oh you're word, he's 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.520 gonna be gone. Yeah. Absolutely, Seventeen. When you do a 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.440 workout like that at that size, on top of already 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.480 being considered one of the two or three best corners 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.720 in the class, that is a money position. That is 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:48.640 a spot where you know people value cornerback as they should. Well, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.559 I would tell the top sixteen teams the guy didn't 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.040 really like to tackle. You don't want that guy. He 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.800 didn't really like to tackle. He's you know, he's great 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.000 in coverage. Does anybody care, Well, I want the other 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.120 sixteen teams to Okay, is it cornerback the position that 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.800 you're less worried about tackling than any other position on 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.560 the gladly? And then the other side of my brain 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.360 is going, you go usk Bill Belichick and Nick Sabe 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.520 and two guys that don't really like personally but like, 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.320 but they go, oh yeah, I just draft guys who 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.120 can tackle. You'll be fine guys who can tackle. And 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.360 that's where I always go. I do have to knock 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.520 him for tackling. I do have to knock him. But 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.440 you never see anyone runaway from him. He played in 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:31.920 top flight competition, and you know what, the interceptions maybe 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.079 you aren't there, you know, Okay, I love it. I'm 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.080 showing highlights even his sacks. They're so gentle. He's like, 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.000 hold on, I don't really want to hit. Just fall 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:43.240 down for me. Thank you. I've got a highly drafted 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.600 linebacker and a highly paid linebacker now and Jalen Smith 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.400 to go and make those tackles on the outside and 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.319 help out there. So good point. You know. I can 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.160 use those guys. Oh and we may we may address 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.720 the safety position too, so we can get some help 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.400 with the tackling problem, and that was the biggest worry 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.320 for me. Is one just the numbers that he put up, 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.240 I mean a four three, nine forty, the third best 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.440 out of all corners. He was the sixth best vertical. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.360 And then he was also much taller than he was 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.040 originally listed. I mean he ended up being measured at 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.040 what it was, six foot and three fourths and originally 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.440 he was five eleven off of Florida's measurements. Oh did 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.000 they show seven? They said five eleven? At least that's 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.360 what I had. The first team say they undersold. First 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.200 college to undersell a player. Yeah, a top notch guy, 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.840 a first round town us grown a lot for That's 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:28.720 what it was. Katie. Who was your stock up? Were 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:33.719 they trying to get him to stay for another year? Hey, 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.800 if you come back, we'll give you another two inches? 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.520 Um my stock up? I'm pull up my text message here. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.240 Well I haven't in the graphics everyone, sorry? Uh so, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.600 oh I have stuck. Oh we stopped, we went down. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.560 Hold on, let's make it about me, everybody. Let's make 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.520 about seven. Now tell me if you guys are gonna 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.120 kill me for this. Derek Brown, Derek Brown had an 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.959 atrocious workout. Yes, he did to come the three cone 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.880 was the worst defensive lineman three cone. The jumps were bad, Yeah, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:08.080 forty was slow. Everything about that workout was bad. His 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.040 tape is awesome. But let me just let me just 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.319 riddle me this entertain me for a second. Are you 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.120 trying you entertained me? First? Are you telling me there's 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:22.600 no chance that an interior guy who's not a great 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.360 pass rusher and had a terrible workout, you're telling me 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.559 there's no chance that makes it to seventeen. I'm a 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.600 four SAT guy with a terrible workout. It's a run stopper. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:32.800 I don't want to go as far as to say 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.559 there's no chance, but I don't think. I don't think 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.160 he'll fall that far because and I think the dreams alive, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:44.319 alive but still not like healthy, But I think the 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.240 dreams alive, and I don't know if it's a dream. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.040 Do you think how many sacks do you would you 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.360 guess Derek Brown will have in an average year somewhere 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:56.440 between three and eight. Yeah, it's a really that's a 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.600 good range. I mean that is a big range. It's 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.400 a huge range. Can I get you to own by 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:05.839 like one. Okay, guys, you come team all the time, 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.520 a four to six set guy top ten and if 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.600 it's your team doing it, are you like all right? Yes? 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.400 How good a run player? Is he? Run player? He 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.840 was a game changer of the defensive line, Yes he is. 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:21.800 It's a good question. So here now, here's here's what 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.520 I think the Snakes Harrison keeps getting flipped for fifth 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.360 round picks. That's what I'm saying. And at the time 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.240 he was one of the best run defenders in the league. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:30.880 But we want to take one of the top ten. 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:32.959 I'm just asking. No, I hear you. That's my secret 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.520 is I just ask opinion? My biggest My biggest question 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.920 is is counseling, Like why did he work out? He 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:43.199 shouldn't have worked out, like Javon Kinwall. Now the defense 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.640 attackle from South Carolina. Now is a chance to get 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.559 in front of Derek Brown kind of what you're saying here. 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:49.880 You know what he did. He did not work out. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.520 That's smart because he knew there was nothing you could 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.280 gain from that, and Derek Brown could have only lost ground. 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.280 He should have worked out, I was I mean, if 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.640 he knew that his numbers were gonna slightly resemble that. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.679 I don't know why he would either, because it's not like, 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:04.880 you know, it's not like he put up numbers where 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.720 you're like, well this isn't great, Like he was the 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.400 worst in in class. He was. He brought up the caboose. Yeah, 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.400 he was worst workout, which nold class. But it's it's 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.600 a fascinating conversation because you said, I mean it, he 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.360 doesn't look like that on tape. No, he looks amazing 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:24.760 on tape against you know, sec caliber talent, chasing guys down, 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.800 beaten blockers, beating double teams. And I just think if 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.560 we would agree tape, Trump's all right, trust the tape 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:37.960 tape tape is number one. So what I think is that, 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.400 you know, we thought Derek Brown was probably a top 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.160 five pick when the draft cycle started. Now I think 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.160 he's probably more like somewhere between eight and twelve. I 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.360 still don't know if he gets all the way to seventeen. 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.640 Just became in. The quarterbacks, you're gonna go, right, we 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.679 get we get a really good vibe the quarterbacks. You're 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.080 gonna go Chase Young is gonna go four. Offensive tackles 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.760 are going to go up there at least three ot 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.600 before the Cowboys. Isaiah, to me, he's still in that 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:07.200 group of Chase Young Isaiah Simmons Okuda, I really don't 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.800 think that changes. It wouldn't surprise the second tier guy 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.800 with like a kin Law back there. Well, I mean 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.200 it looks let me push you just because the quarterbacks 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:15.640 are coming up, But I still think he's in that 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.240 first tier guy with this Now is our team's gonna 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.240 like maybe value kin Law a little more after they 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.920 see kin Laws Pro Day and then maybe that maybe 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:25.959 things change a little bit. I mean, he is in 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.760 the first percentile Derek Brown in the first percentile of 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.440 three cone drill. But I ain't asking him to rush 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.360 off the edge, but he don't need him to be 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.680 a little flexible. But he's a taking he's a d 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.920 tackle and he specializes against the run like I don't 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.240 know how much bend I need him to have. And 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.280 he doesn't just make plays right there like you see 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.320 him track plays down laterally like this range as a 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.400 defensive tackle. Absolutely, that's what he doesn't look like that 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.120 bad of an athlete on tape, which is why it 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.199 was so shocking to see him post such bad time. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.920 I guess always go sometimes why I do as I 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:58.720 go to myke. What was my instant reaction, Not that 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.640 it's always right, it's always to think on him. My 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.800 instant reaction when I saw his numbers were okay, and 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.800 my instant reaction for some other guys when so other 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.560 numbers was oh god, oh no and one, I can't 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.800 go ahead for him, I wasn't concerned for aj epines 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:18.760 I went, oh god, we can. Epinesta tested himself out 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.280 of the first round. Whoa, that's a big statement. He 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.760 tested himself out of me wanting him in the first 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:29.400 round seventeen. I think he'll probably goes. He'll go, but 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.000 over five seconds in the forty and seven point three 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.640 in the three cone at two hundred and seventy five pounds. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.960 I think he played his way into a three four defense. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.520 I think he played three four end. So maybe a 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.800 team at the back of one wants him. But I 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.720 just I would worry about that athletic profile is an 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.840 outside rusher. And to your point and why it worries 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.880 with him and not with Derek Brown, because it's the 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.920 same thing on tape on tape watching Jinesa, you go, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.400 oh man, heavy handed stout find his overpowers people to 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.920 the quarterback. But you're no what you're gonna say somewhere, 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.480 can't really turn the corner. Don't see him turn the corner, 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.280 don't see him went outside? And then you test you go, well, 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.360 not really capable of pointing outside. No, that's not a 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.880 first round pass rusher to me, that's so we just 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.160 said the same thing. You acted like crazy. But I 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.040 think he will go I think he'll go there maybe 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.720 and maybe in the put it this way like he's 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.800 not he won't be a top twenty pick. I don't 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.080 think with Aka, you know, I think you can scratch 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:26.760 I don't want to speak for them, but I think 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.600 you can scratch him off the list of possibilities at seventeen? 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.400 What was Tacos three? Want to know? I don't want 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.120 to know. The Cowboys were as bad as a pick 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.800 as it looks now. The Cowboys were picking eleven spots 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.880 behind where they are now. So you're talking about a 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.160 different caliber of prospect too. Tacos three code was seven 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:51.160 point one seven, you know, oh, no better than the 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:57.200 three count seven three? Okay, you know DeMarcus Lawrence, Zadarius Smith. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.640 Those guys ran seven four three count thrill. So it's 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:04.600 not in all he needs to be trade flowers. Yeah, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.680 it gets combining the numbers with the tape again, the 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.080 tape told you what they were. The tape with the 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.440 Marcus Lawrence told you this guy's getting juice off the edge, 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.320 you know. So like you know what the tape on 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.040 Zadarius Smith back in the day at Kentucky, you didn't 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.880 really necessarily see the strength that he's that he's added 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.960 sure to his game. But that's I think this is 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.920 where the draft becomes real fun, the little games of 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.440 position value, the games of death at the position, because 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.320 that's where Epinessa, to me, stays in the first round. 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.240 Might have got a second round grade on him and 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.800 have the whole time, but I think he ends up 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.560 going in the first round because look, there ain't a 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:43.440 ton of edge players. Um. I mean, are you excited 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:48.000 right now about gross Matos that much over Epinessa right now? 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.120 I'm not. I think he would take him over him. 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.760 I think he's got more upside. Are you like excited 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.840 to do that? There? Are you? Like? Well? Hugged down? 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.160 Let's go where maybe you trade back to twenty one, 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.640 Maybe you trade back to twenty five. Be high on 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.960 this edge class as a whole, though, I would feel better. 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.040 I don't think this is a good edge class. I 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.399 don't love Grossmatos, but I would feel better about drafting 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.320 him than Epinessa just because I think there's a better 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.000 chance that he develops into a more explosive player. Yes, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.000 I don't think Epinessa is going to grow tremendously as 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.560 like that. That's an athlete in the NFL. Well, you 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.200 had an edge rusher that was pretty high on your list, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:27.439 stock up your kat Oh, mister Curtis Weaver out of 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.640 Boisey State. Now this one was a weird one, right. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.240 His numbers were pretty wild. When you look at Curtis Weaver, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.120 I mean the seven second three cone. I didn't see 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.119 that coming from him if you watch it on tape. 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.480 To me, you didn't really seem turned very much. So 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.880 when he put up that number, I was like, huh 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.879 So to me, that was shocking. Was that shocking to you, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:49.639 Jeff Um? Not shocking? I would say I was curious 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.080 with his three connel because he went outside a lot. Well, 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.960 he was also running around terrible offensive was just going around. Yeah, 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.600 he went with a radius around players rather than edging 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.359 and and kind of cutting that off and going around guys. 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.679 I mean, I just thought he was pretty stiff, and 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.680 I mean you can still be kind of stiff and 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.359 turned the corner a little bit, I guess. But the 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.199 three cone number to be at seven seconds, to me, 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.720 that was a you know, and look, I don't know. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.119 This is another thing with the edge class being what 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.440 it is. I have so many more questions about who 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:24.359 Julian Julian o'quire is from Notre Dame. I have so 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:28.240 many questions about what Kalid Kareem is from Notre Dame. Um. 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.960 I feel pretty good about you know, Jonathan Greener to 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.359 Florida and like the second round. I like him showing 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:38.280 with Weaver. I feel much better about knowing what he is. 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.280 Doesn't mean I'm going out of my mind and draft 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.000 him in the first round or anything. Yeah, but you know, 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.159 maybe he's talked himself or got himself in that second 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.600 round territory where maybe he was gonna go on the 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.920 third round. You know. So I thought he did well 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.119 for himself on that three cone drill. And who was 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.320 my other player on the oh, Chase Claypool talking about 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.080 Notre dame guys Okay, on tape, I didn't see a 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.800 guy who was running four four five and when he 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.440 ran that, I was pretty shocked. I was impressive, man, 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:08.920 I didn't I don't know why I didn't see that coming. 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.800 I mean you look, you could see like the figure 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.320 on you'd see his body and his friend's big. Well, 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.000 like you see his body and his frame and goes, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:17.879 it's a big dude. Okay, he's pretty jacked, and then 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:19.920 you go, what are you rann at four four five? 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.320 And I just didn't see that like on. To me, 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.760 he was a slow player on four four two four 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.080 four two seegeez on tape. To me, he was a 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.520 slow player. I didn't see him out running people on tape. 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.159 I saw him and I was on the outside. He 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.920 was kind of a excuse me. He was kind of 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:36.639