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Speaker 1: more importantly, we are back with Jeff Cavanaugh and Kevin

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Speaker 1: are back in town. David Elman, Kyle Elman's myself as

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Speaker 1: we continue to break down the NFL combine and exactly

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Speaker 1: what happened out in Indianapolis, how that affected everyone's draft stock,

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Speaker 1: and before we really get into the players, Jeff, I've

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Speaker 1: got to thank you because last time we were in

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Speaker 1: this room, you told me to take layers to Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say you went to the Slippery Noodle.

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Speaker 1: Oh we actually did that too. Yeah, so yeah, so

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Speaker 1: two things I could thank you for. You're welcome. But

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Speaker 1: we went to the slippery Noodle. We also took layers

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Speaker 1: and I went back and packed more layers after you

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Speaker 1: told me to do that, and I'm so glad that

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Speaker 1: I did. It was extremely cold. Yeah, INDI's colder. Do

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Speaker 1: you think numbers? We don't register numbers as people who

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Speaker 1: live in DFW. You can see whatever numbers you want,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that you're actually gonna like register it.

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Speaker 1: a pretty firm grasp on what each temperature feels like.

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Speaker 1: you're saying. Okay, I mean even with the temperature that was,

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Speaker 1: it was whenever we turned the corner, Dave and you

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Speaker 1: were a testament to this as well, when we would

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Speaker 1: once fell in. He once fell down, laughing and refused

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Speaker 1: to keep walking. Years ago at the combine, he's telling

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Speaker 1: get up because he was so cold. That really did happen.

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Speaker 1: It was also minus five. There's a huge difference between

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Speaker 1: minus five and I don't know, it was like seventeen.

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Speaker 1: It feels like seven. I'm gonna say it was about

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Speaker 1: thirty with a wind chill of seventeen. Yeah, but that

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Yeah it was. It was below zero and

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Speaker 1: played a little bit of a factor. Kat, How was

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Speaker 1: your week? It was an excellent week. And I gotta admit,

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Speaker 1: we're under fifty days until the draft is here. Forty

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Speaker 1: nine and then the Combine just told me. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Combine. But I will take thirty degrees in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of February, all day I felt like,

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Speaker 1: haven't yet. You gotta kept one of those negative one

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Speaker 1: a better time than any to go into some stock

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Speaker 1: saw during the combine. Each of us have gone around,

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Speaker 1: given two guys that have had their stock risen over

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Speaker 1: did you build graphics? You a graphic building guy? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I sent you three of each, so I made sure

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Speaker 1: guy who if a band gets famous everyone's talking about.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, I watched it from the beginning. Denzel Mims,

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Speaker 1: and it's still frustrating. You're just now we've been doing

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Speaker 1: you're less worried about tackling than any other position on

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Speaker 1: what I had. The first team say they undersold. First

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Speaker 1: college to undersell a player. Yeah, a top notch guy,

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Speaker 1: a first round town us grown a lot for That's

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Speaker 1: what it was. Katie. Who was your stock up? Were

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Speaker 1: they trying to get him to stay for another year? Hey,

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Speaker 1: if you come back, we'll give you another two inches?

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Speaker 1: Um my stock up? I'm pull up my text message here.

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Speaker 1: Well I haven't in the graphics everyone, sorry? Uh so,

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Speaker 1: about seven. Now tell me if you guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: atrocious workout. Yes, he did to come the three cone

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Speaker 1: not really capable of pointing outside. No, that's not a

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Speaker 1: What was Tacos three? Want to know? I don't want

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Speaker 1: different caliber of prospect too. Tacos three code was seven

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Speaker 1: point one seven, you know, oh, no better than the

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Speaker 1: not in all he needs to be trade flowers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence told you this guy's getting juice off the edge,

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Speaker 1: that's where Epinessa, to me, stays in the first round.

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Speaker 1: Might have got a second round grade on him and

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I think he would take him over him.

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Speaker 1: I think he's got more upside. Are you like excited

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Speaker 1: to do that? There? Are you? Like? Well? Hugged down?

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Speaker 1: Let's go where maybe you trade back to twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Maybe you trade back to twenty five. Be high on

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is a good edge class. I

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Speaker 1: stock up your kat Oh, mister Curtis Weaver out of

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Speaker 1: His numbers were pretty wild. When you look at Curtis Weaver,

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Speaker 1: he was also running around terrible offensive was just going around. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I'm going out of my mind and draft

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Speaker 1: And I just didn't see that like on. To me,

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Speaker 1: He did the combine right. Oh yeah, like Derek Brown,

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Speaker 1: if you know that you're not gonna do well and something,

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Speaker 1: don't do it. So Claypool gets to be a giant winner.

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Speaker 1: He's a big guy that ran fast and jumped for

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Speaker 1: If he'd ran the shuttles, I bet you it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: This is also a conversation that we have last week

425
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Speaker 1: as well, but bringing you guys into it. Tight end

426
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: has been floated around for this guy. I meant on

427
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 1: my dreams the size of him, and honestly, I thought

428
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Speaker 1: whenever I initially looked at these numbers, I thought of

429
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Speaker 1: a guy that maybe proved that he should be a

430
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Speaker 1: wide receiver. But at the same time, this is not

431
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Speaker 1: a very high, highly touted tight end class, at least

432
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 1: from a depth perspective. He could be another name that

433
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: you could throw in there and throw it tight end,

434
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, as long as you're not actually asking him

435
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: to play tight end. Yeah that's what. Yeah, I don't

436
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: really know the difference anymore, because what do you like?

437
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: You can put him on the roster is whichever one

438
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 1: you want. But if you're talking about playing a detached slot,

439
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't care. What would you rather have him? Or

440
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: Hunter Bryant from Washington's the same? This is the question

441
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: comes and that's where I go. Man, I think I

442
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 1: think Hunter Bryant's a better player. But his combine was

443
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 1: a little disappointed, was good. His drops make me nervous.

444
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: I just don't trust Chase Claypool from Notre Dame to

445
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 1: go get open and that bothers me. But there ain't

446
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: many six four two thirty guys running four four twos. Yeah,

447
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: I mean it was a freakish combine for him. When

448
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: terms of that, that one forty time. Maybe you're putting

449
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: a little two I'm putting a little too much stock

450
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Speaker 1: in his forty time. But Chase Claypool ran a half

451
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: a second faster forty than Hunter Bryant. And the difference,

452
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's Claypools two inches taller and only like

453
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Speaker 1: I don't know, well, Claypool also ten pounds, like a

454
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: better forty than Michael Pittman Junior. Talk about another big

455
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: bodied receiver. Yeah, but Michael Pittman Junior has two hands,

456
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: that's fair, and he can block a little bit. I

457
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,719
Speaker 1: get Claypool is out here running deep balls and catching

458
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: contested balls in his number like jump up over you

459
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: and then like can we please extend and catch the ball? Sorry,

460
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool. I hope you get drafted real high and

461
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: make all the money. All right, Dave, Yeah, who you

462
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: got for your stock up? Stock ups? One guy, which

463
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: this guy I actually like. He slipped under the radar

464
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: for me, for me personally, probably because he's FCS. I

465
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: like to ignore FCS guys the Cowboys. The Cowboys don't

466
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: draft him. Had a fantastic senior Bowl, looked great out there,

467
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 1: and he kind of caught our eye a little bit

468
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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. This is really mean. I think

469
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Speaker 1: of Obi Melifonwu from a few years ago, Like everybody's

470
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: just always enamored with the six three safety. I'm not

471
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: comparing their games, sure, but everybody's always enamored with the

472
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Speaker 1: with the superhero action figure safety. Right, Chen looks the

473
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: art and he goes out here on top of looking

474
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Speaker 1: good at the Senior Bowl four four five forty at

475
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: his size six three two twenty a forty one inch vertical,

476
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: he actually outperformed Kyle Dugger in a couple areas of

477
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: the combined workout. I think vertical was the only one

478
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: he didn't out. Yeah, Dugger, absolutely. You know, I'm distrustful

479
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: of guys of fcs. He's coming out of Southern Um,

480
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: Southern Illinois for those of y'all that don't know the

481
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: sulukis so looks good on tape. Of course he does,

482
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: because he's a superior athlete to everybody else. Then he

483
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: goes to the Senior Bowl and plays well against other

484
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: top notch draftable competition. Then he puts this workout on tape,

485
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: and it's I mean, how could you argue that his

486
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: stock isn't going up. It's really impressive. It feels very

487
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: leap of faith for me. These NFL teams are gonna

488
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: think I have one all twenty two game of him

489
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: against North Dakota State, and then there's YouTube games. Yeah,

490
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: so can mind that, and then you know the NFL

491
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: teams have everything you know, right, So for me, Jeremy Chindlon,

492
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: this workout and makes me feel much better about this

493
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: guy's gonna go top one hundred. Okay, that makes sense, Okay,

494
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: I get it. I feel like much better about that.

495
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: But it's just hard to know. He had good one

496
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: thing to say about him at two twenty one, which

497
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: he'd added a little bit of weight, and I had

498
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: just two h five or two o eight right around there,

499
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: So you add a little bit of weight. But he

500
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: does appear to be fast enough to have a little range,

501
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: and the few games that we have he's got thirteen

502
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: interceptions in his college career. He had four interceptions last year.

503
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: He's shown the ability to go make plays on the Bowl.

504
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: It's interesting he'd kind of be a free, strong hybrid.

505
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: You normally, if I see a six three, two hundred

506
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: and twenty pound guy, I go, oh, he's just a

507
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: strong safety, but I think he might move well enough

508
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: to play play well. And we saw the Senior Bowl

509
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: he was covering pretty well. No, that's that's my thing

510
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: is you know, you watch him at Southern Illinois and

511
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, cool, these guys are going to be

512
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: accountants in two years, Like how impressed am I supposed

513
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: to be? But then he plays you practice well, and

514
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: that's always going to catch your eye at the Senior

515
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: Bowl because you're going I mean, you're going against big

516
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: ten sec competition. But then to put those numbers on

517
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: the tape and say, Okay, this isn't just a byproduct

518
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: of him playing inferior competition, like he really does possess

519
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: this athleticism. I'm still terrified by the thought of drafting

520
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: him because I just have inherent biases toward big school guys,

521
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: and so does Will McClay. It seem exactly and that's yeah,

522
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: But you put numbers like that, somebody, somebody's gonna be

523
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 1: willing to take a chance on you. And that's why

524
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: I think his stock is up well. And I kind

525
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: of want to challenge you on your other stock up

526
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. Why guy is his stock up for

527
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: Devin Hamilton out of an Ohio state. He had the

528
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Speaker 1: sixth lowest forty oh he had a sub thirty vertical,

529
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: third worst broad jump out of his position. I think

530
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Speaker 1: as well, it depends on your definition of what stock

531
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: up means, okay, and I mean, how could those numbers

532
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: raise a stock I just want to hear what you

533
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: have to say in because like me personally, I'm looking

534
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: for defensive tackles that I can draft. And you know,

535
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: we talk about Derek Brown, Javon ken Law. Uh, if

536
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: they're not there, that like I'm automatically hun I'm automatically

537
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: hunting for somebody that can find so for him, you know,

538
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: then you're talking about you know, you're talking about him,

539
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: h Ross Blacklock, even like even Blacklock like he performed

540
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: well enough, like he had a better combine. At least

541
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Speaker 1: Blacklock is the classic case of a guy that's seventeen

542
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: is probably too high, but fifty one he'll be gone. Yeah, um,

543
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: who's the other guy? Which, yeah, I wanted to avoid

544
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: Mattabek because I know, like he's a guy that we

545
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 1: talk about a lot. I look at him and I like,

546
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: on top of what I've seen from his tape, which

547
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: I think is surprisingly it's yeah, yeah, strength, all that

548
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: good type of stuff, and probably more of a one

549
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: technique than a pass rusher. Probably I feel I feel

550
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: better drafting him. I don't know. I think at two eighty,

551
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: I think he could sneak him in the top one hundred.

552
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Got and so I like, I

553
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: think it depends on what your definition of stock up is.

554
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: I don't think this guy vaulted himself into the top fifty,

555
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: but I'm hunting for down the line prospects at defensive tackle.

556
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, like this guy. Yeah, his numbers aren't

557
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: super impressive, but it lines up with what I'd be

558
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: willing to do based on what I see on tape. Well,

559
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: when I was intrigued by you choosing him as a

560
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: stock up, because if after the Senior Bowl I would

561
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: have had him as a stock up. I thought he

562
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: looked good at Senior Bowl down in Mobile, but I

563
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: thought that the combine maybe took a little bit of

564
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: a step back in my book, at least by some

565
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: of the measurables. Now that I don't think looks okay.

566
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't think so, just because nobody's pegging him as this,

567
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, top fifty pig. He's to me, he I

568
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: feel like he's probably late third round, early fourth round

569
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: is probably his range borderline day. So are you going

570
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: to reach at eighty two? What do you need you know?

571
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: Or do you get ken Law round at seventeen to do?

572
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: Not to worry about there at seventeen. Man, we just

573
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: said that he wasn't going to be there. I don't

574
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: think he will be. Stop acting like it's impossible. I

575
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: didn't say it was impossible. Okay, really quickly, I'll give

576
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: you my two stock ups. It's one of the guys

577
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: that we've actually talked about quite a bit, Devin DuVernay

578
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: out of Texas fifth best forty of all wide receivers

579
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: with a four three nine. And then I threw Jacob

580
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: Easton up there, and it wasn't because of his measurables.

581
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: You're gonna challenge me here today, I'm not gonna challenge you.

582
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: Just go ahead and come back. I'll just disagree with you.

583
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: Get him back. I thought he threw the ball better

584
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: than almost any other quarterback there, maybe with the exception

585
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: of Justin Herbert. Oh, I thought you disagree, I do disagree, Okay,

586
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: I thought he's got a big arm. For sure, he

587
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: has a huge arm. He's easy for him to throw it.

588
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: Absolute Lynch type tends. Now. Yeah. One thing that did

589
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: read this morning on Jacob Easton that put a little

590
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: asterist on this. Apparently Tom McShay talked about how he

591
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: did not impress teams in his interviews, and apparently in

592
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: the quote from the story that I read, said that

593
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: he quote unquote owned the room and saw that he

594
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: was bigger than what was going on. And I didn't

595
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: like that a whole lot from a quarterback. So yeah,

596
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: I feel like with that, I didn't hear enough details

597
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: of what McShay was saying. So to me, it just

598
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: made me really really angry at media where it's like, well,

599
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: you know, I heard from an anonymous guy that he

600
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: didn't no no, no, no, no no no no. If we're

601
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: sabotaging character pre draft, tell me who said it and

602
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. That's at Haskins right now. He's

603
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: not a prospect anymore, but it's still annoying. Yeah. I

604
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: thought he threw the ball well a little bit high there.

605
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: I just think that right, well, he's just the combine

606
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: is meant for guys like him. That's all. He's to

607
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: show off the arm. She is velost. He's probably the

608
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: most naturally gifted quarterback in the class. All right, we

609
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: are Okay, he's got a cannon, didn't wring it? Yeah,

610
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: and he's he's inconsistent his decision making. I don't love

611
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: I'll borrow this line from The Solid Verbal, my favorite

612
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: college football podcast. They call him purple Cutler, and I'm like,

613
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: mind's trust the tape. I'm gonna trust the tape guy.

614
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, that's a good one too. Um.

615
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: I just I this this whole Cutler. That's a good one.

616
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: When people when people talk about the underwear Olympics, that's

617
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. And like if if, if his

618
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: natural ability wants prompts you to draft him in the

619
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Speaker 1: top thirty five, good luck. I just don't see it,

620
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 1: all right, but I do think it could. I mean,

621
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: it could help his stock because he can go out

622
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: there and show off that he's got to contend on

623
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: and yeah, football on the back foot. I do agree

624
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: with I agree with Devin DuVernay just because in the

625
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: sense that that is a position where the forty yard

626
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: dash really does matter, Like receiver and cornerback, crowded receiver class.

627
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: Anything you can do to distinguish yourself matters. And if

628
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: he can run a sub for forty and somebody's going

629
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: to be intrigued by that speed. We were talking with

630
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: Kat last week and or the week before Indians saying

631
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: that if Devin DuVernay comes out and runs a four four,

632
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna be thinking of him a little bit differently

633
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, absolutely, because the production was nuts last year.

634
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, my biggest issues with him is just how

635
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Speaker 1: big canny play. Yeah he's got short arms, things like that,

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Speaker 1: but he does catch everything. He finds a way to

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Speaker 1: get open. There's a lot to like about him. That's

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Speaker 1: just how how much you're reaching for guys like that

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Speaker 1: in this wide receiver loaded class. You need him, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, do you need him to play big if

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Speaker 1: he's always in the slot, doesn't drop anything, which, ironically

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Speaker 1: Dane Dane pointed this out last week, like he wasn't

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Speaker 1: amazing in the past catching drills at the combine, but

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Speaker 1: I will gladly take thirteen games worth of tape over

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Speaker 1: one he dropped a pass though? Did he done in

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Speaker 1: the catching drills? I guess what Dane's quote was. He

647
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Speaker 1: was fighting the ball. Okay, he just he didn't look natural,

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Speaker 1: look and look smooth. But again he thought his way

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Speaker 1: to zero drops. Give me, give me thirteen games of

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Speaker 1: tape of him looking pretty good doing it over. Whatever

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Speaker 1: you think about the combine, I think he only had

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Speaker 1: the one drop during his entire career. Torch Daves Tigers, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he did pretty good. Question the question there's who are

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Speaker 1: the other wide receivers about considering taking becomes That's that's

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Speaker 1: where Crochet well, actually that it's gonna be a question

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Speaker 1: we're gonna address Twitter on the twenty coming up here

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Speaker 1: in just a minute. Now. It's okay, I like to tease.

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Speaker 1: Depending on how deep this class is, what do we

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Speaker 1: Katie and Dave also tweeted it out. Dallas. Smith starts

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Speaker 1: us off and he goes, would you rather have Cooper

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Speaker 1: and a top corner in the draft or a top

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Speaker 1: wide receiver in the draft? And Byron Jones? And why

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Speaker 1: the debate that is crippling Cowboys Twitter as we speak.

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Speaker 1: I would go Jones, this is a receiver, so we're

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Speaker 1: getting we're getting either Cooper or Jones on like a

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Speaker 1: five year deal, not a franchise tax correct. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's my problem with the question, Dallas, what is a

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Speaker 1: top corner in the draft? Because to me, it's Okuda

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Speaker 1: and then and then there's a Jars wide receiver. I

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Speaker 1: can give you three names. Yeah, so if I can

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Speaker 1: have one of those three names, I can't have Occuda.

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Speaker 1: So if you'll give me Ceedee Lamb, Jerry Judy, or

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Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs and Byron Jones. I'll take that over Amari

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Speaker 1: Cooper and whoever your second corner is. So I would

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Speaker 1: go Byron Jones and receiver. But you saying that right now,

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Speaker 1: it's likely that the second one is more likely having

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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper back and then maybe drafting a guy like

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Speaker 1: a C. J. Henderson as a corner. Yes, the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are doing this wrong. Correct you're saying, oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying I would prioritize Byron over a Mari Wow.

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Speaker 1: And I think Amari as a player has more to

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Speaker 1: do with wins and losses than Byron does when he's

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Speaker 1: healthy and ready to rock. But I also have questions,

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Speaker 1: just like Oakland head questions. I don't have questions about

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Speaker 1: Byron Jones. I know he's gonna be out there every

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Speaker 1: week and he's gonna play really well. And I can

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Speaker 1: find a receiver, which is really Huevos to assume when

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00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: this team was lost before Cooper got here. That's the

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Speaker 1: thing that and that, like, I don't disagree with anything

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Speaker 1: you just said, but I can't let go. I can't

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Speaker 1: let go of the fact that I think that Amari

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Speaker 1: does have more and more of an impact on wins

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Speaker 1: and losses, like if I promised you Jerry Judy or

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Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb even still and like you and me, like

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00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: we're of one mind on this that we love this

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Speaker 1: receiver class. We love the idea of drafting one forty burgers.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of asking anybody to fill

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Speaker 1: in for Marii Cooper and like have to really carry

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00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: that load right away, because as many good receivers have

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00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: coming into the league recently, not very many of them

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Speaker 1: hit the ground running. Like that's not a long list

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Speaker 1: you think about, you know, recent drafts where you know,

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Speaker 1: would you be happy if you took a receiver in

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Speaker 1: the first round and he had a Terry McLaurin rookie year?

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00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: Hell yeah? And I think Lamb, I think you could

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Speaker 1: do a j Brown over a thousand Deebo Samuel guys,

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Speaker 1: it's doable. Debo Debo is not fair because Debo really

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Speaker 1: didn't catch. Like that's what I'm saying. Deebo wasn't really

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Speaker 1: a guy until like October, and none of these guys

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Speaker 1: were that we're talking about. I think you could say

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Speaker 1: this Debo, these guys weren't one of the first two

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00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: wide receivers. None of those guys has changed. Zeek some

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Speaker 1: open Well, okay, it's it's scares doing that. It scares me,

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Speaker 1: is all I'm saying. I think I think they're they're

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Speaker 1: terribly uh maybe crippled isn't the word, but maybe a

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Speaker 1: little paralyzed by twenty eighteen in their decision to go

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Speaker 1: into that season with no true number one wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: And I think they don't want to do that again,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's going to affect them, not ringing

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Speaker 1: Byron Jones back. Now, here's what I do, which is crazy,

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Speaker 1: but I sign it also, well, I sign everybody, and

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Speaker 1: if I need to do some restructuring of contracts and

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Speaker 1: behind it, I'll do that. Anyway, can we talk about

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Speaker 1: sign signing every We now know We now know that

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Speaker 1: the players will begin voting on the CBA and it's

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Speaker 1: they have until a week from today to read four

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six pages. I mean, that's doable if

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Speaker 1: you sit down and concentrate. I'd read the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: But if they approve it, like everything we're hearing is

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Speaker 1: that the CBA is going to absolutely skyrocket the salary cap.

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Speaker 1: So why are they afraid of doing all the deals

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Speaker 1: what And the only answer to that is that they

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Speaker 1: don't believe in Byron Jones the way that a lot

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00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: of fans and media do well. Mike Nolan's comments his

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Speaker 1: first media availability, you know, basically kind of saying, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the guy that can't catch the ball. Basically,

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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the guy that bats the ball down.

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00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the guy that takes him back for

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00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: something paraphrasing said Byron Jones doesn't get turnovers, right, paraphrasing

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Speaker 1: All right, all of Cowboys Nation so stupid. No offense,

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00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: no offense, the offense. So if he got three interceptions

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00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: a year, then he would be, you know, a pretty

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00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: good corner or great corner who now has three interceptions

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00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: a year. Now he's gonna face like six hundred past

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00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: snaps a year. So we're worried about what happens on

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00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: point five percent of the plays at corner and not

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Speaker 1: as worried about the ninety nine point five where he's

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Speaker 1: one of the five to ten best corners in the league.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't have an outcome on point five percent

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Speaker 1: of snaps that I would have liked that is that

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00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: is what is being suggested. Yes, awesome. Well, you also

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Speaker 1: think about the fact of the Katie brought up the

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Speaker 1: point of maybe being scared about not having the number

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Speaker 1: one wide receiver. But the way that they got rid

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00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: of that problem is they invested their twenty nineteen first

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Speaker 1: round pick. If you let him are Cooper walk and

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Speaker 1: you draft a guy at seventeen, that's two straight years

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Speaker 1: you're investing that first round pick in a wide receiver. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in an a position you can't. You can't make those

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Speaker 1: decisions based on what's already been sunk, right Like it

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Speaker 1: would it would suck to let him Ari go. You know,

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Speaker 1: you trade. You know, you want five years of production

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Speaker 1: out of your first round pick. But like, if you're

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00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: not convinced he's the guy, don't sign him just because pride.

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00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: But that's that's kind of what I'm saying, is prideful

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Speaker 1: wise This could be something that the Cowboys are looking

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Speaker 1: at in terms of their decision making moving forward. I

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Speaker 1: really I'm not saying that's right now, saying that might

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Speaker 1: be what's going through their head. I think it's as

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Speaker 1: simple as like, which guy gives you the better chance?

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Speaker 1: Of impacting a game all on his own, because as

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Speaker 1: for all of Amri's duds, we've also seen him turn

825
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: five or six games completely on their ear. The Minnesota

826
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: game stuck out to me this year, and the Philly

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00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: game the year he got here, and I'm honestly yeah,

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00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: and he's got a track record of being able to

829
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Speaker 1: do that. I know he disappears on the road at times.

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00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: I know he's had some iffy moments. He still has

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Speaker 1: a much higher chance of doing that than Byron, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's what's driving that decision making. Well. It's interesting, though,

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00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: if we're stacking a big board together, you have Rugs,

834
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Speaker 1: you have Jerry Judy, you have Ceedee Lamb, all stacked

835
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Speaker 1: higher than c. J. Henderson or Fulton or Trevon Diggs

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Speaker 1: or I still have Jeff Gladen TCU as the second

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00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: cornerback for me. But like you have all those wide

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00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: receivers stacked higher than those And if we're sitting there

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Speaker 1: and taking the best player, well that's what we're doing

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Speaker 1: at seventeen right now. I'm also waiting on Kin Law.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping Laws that's still plan A for me. But

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this Jeffrey, which this is my

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Speaker 1: this is my thought process that makes me feel better

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Speaker 1: about this whole thing. And I don't know that they

845
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Speaker 1: will because they haven't. But if the Cowboys take the

846
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: savings on the money, they would have spent on Byron

847
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: and invested in a way more meaningful way than what

848
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: we're used to seeing. What's more meaningful than a great corner,

849
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean three or four above average caliber free agent replacements,

850
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: Like not signing Byron enables you to bring back Robert Quinn,

851
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: maybe you could. Theoretically it's Robert Quinn deaf, Carl Joseph

852
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: took my strong safety absolutely and now add one more piece.

853
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: So say, how about I don't know again, this might

854
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: just be that Quinn ten million, Carl Joseph five or six, right,

855
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: sixteen million dollars there it spent. What if I could

856
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: get you like Mike Brocker's at D tackle or something

857
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: silly like that. Yeah, I think that maybe the free

858
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: agency D tackle class is what's kind of pushing me

859
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: away from Kin law Now and Derek Brown because I

860
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: think it's more it's the easiest one to fill. Let's go. Yeah,

861
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: I think there's twenty good options in free agency, which

862
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: means that the money is going to right up. You're

863
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: gonna have six dudes that our NFL starters, Like hey,

864
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: what did with somebody? And like, yes we will. That's

865
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: my saving grace because I'm like, all right, if you're

866
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna spend that money getting a handful of guys who

867
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: could make the team better, I'll stomach it easier than

868
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: if you're just gonna let him walk and sign. No

869
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: one cares. I should have sold more jerseys Byron. I

870
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: know you're gonna quote another question. We're in too, Kyle

871
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: real quick, but say, does the new head coach matter

872
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: the fact that he's brought in a lot of people?

873
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: Does that matter? Because if you just signed a five

874
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: year contract as a new head coach of a team

875
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the depth chart overall, I'm going,

876
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm gonna have to remake this entire

877
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: secondary in two years. Yeah, A, does that make you

878
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: go we should sign Byron or you know, be as mean,

879
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: we need to start drafting dudes because Byron's not gonna

880
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: be here, and then who knows. I also am interested

881
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: in keeping Anthony Brown. I don't know if they're gonna

882
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: do that. I don't know what his gonna be like,

883
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: him being hurt, save the money. You had a chance

884
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: to keep Anthony Brown. I'm highly interested in doing that same,

885
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: but just just I don't know. That's I just can't wait.

886
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what the thirty visit list

887
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,479
Speaker 1: starts to look like, because I just have a hunch

888
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of dbs on it. Yeah. Probably.

889
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: And with that being said, you mentioned this name a

890
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, but he's a part of our next question.

891
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: Javon kin Law. Joe DeMeo asked three scenarios for the

892
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: first two rounds. Pick one. First one is Javon Kinlaw

893
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: South Carolina with Antoine Winfield, junior out of Minnesota, C J.

894
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: Henderson out of Florida, and Justin Metabek the defensive tackle

895
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: from A and M. That's scenario two. Scenario three Javan

896
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: Jason out of LSU, calevonvon excuse me, and then our

897
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: Nett out of Ohio State is third. Easy for me.

898
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: I love all the second round picks. I do too.

899
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: For me, it's number one, me too. It's good Javon Kinlaw.

900
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: It's Antoona Winfield, the safety from Minnesota. That's the to me,

901
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: that's my favorite combination by far, I think one is

902
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: my favorite combination. I'm starting to be intrigued, which is

903
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: funny because he didn't even work out at the combine,

904
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: but could sell me on Jason. Jason, I know he

905
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: scares a lot of people. You could sell me on

906
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: his raw athleticism, just because I think you talk about

907
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: not being thrilled by this edge class like, I think

908
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: he's got the ability to bend the corner and get

909
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: after it, so he's got a chance to be edged two.

910
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna go out on a lemon.

911
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: Say when he's done working out at LSU's pro Day,

912
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: he'll he'll be a top twelve pick, probably rocketing. I

913
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: think so all right, I think that people are going

914
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: to take a chance on his athleticism more than it

915
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: would be good for the Cowboys. I usual for the Cowboys.

916
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: That's how you get can I get into one? Winfield

917
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: is better than Zevir McKinney started. Oh, I've heard that before, though,

918
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: so I don't think that's okay. Maybe I'm not starting it,

919
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: but no, dude, I think Winfield's gonna end up going

920
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: in the first round too, if the safety started going

921
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: earlier than so you're saying, you're saying, my first option,

922
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: first option of this is the more fun one for

923
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I think the first pick it's fun and

924
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: just makes a ton of sense, one hundred percent does.

925
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: And then the second one I would believe would probably

926
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: be the most likely. It was what was it Henderson

927
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: and Mattabek. Yeah, I don't. I don't know if Winfield's

928
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: going to be there at fifty one. Neither do I.

929
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a chance he's there fifty one.

930
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: You might trade up and get him unless none of

931
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: the safeties going in the first round. You know what

932
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: about none of those drafts could happen. Oh, the odds

933
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: that we would nail at that completely are slimth and nuns.

934
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: I would take any one of those though. I would

935
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: take any of those three, would take any one of them.

936
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: I would feel like they did a good job. Yeah,

937
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: it'd be nice. Okay, well, hit let's say it one

938
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: more question. This one's gonna be fun. This is from

939
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: Jay Okay Fellas trying to get proactive here after starting

940
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: or after watching the combine. Isaiah Simmons out of Clemson

941
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: is the best athlete that he has seen since Bo Jackson.

942
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: I'd give up seventeen and next year's one if he

943
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: slid to nine or ten? Would you he's the best

944
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: player in the draft. Is that all I have to

945
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: give seventeen next years one? That's unrealistic. We would have

946
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: to give maybe a two. I don't think that's that

947
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: if he slides to take if he's at ten, you

948
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: can do it for seventeen and your second round pick

949
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: that gets you just to ten. That might not be

950
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: realistic because just on the chart it but maybe he

951
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: don't through it here to the chart, that's the thing, right,

952
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: and they should, But I go by captain trade down. Now,

953
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: did Maurice? Okay, what if we always wins through and

954
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: a four? Well, seventeen, a one next year and a four?

955
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: Would you do it still? I think I would? I

956
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: would in a vacuum. This team is in such a

957
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: desperate mode for affordable labor though. Yeah, but they don't. Okay,

958
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: but it's it's a fourth round pick. They're gonna get

959
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: a comp for Beasley probably while five. So you still

960
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: you're not gonna like lose any like You're not gonna

961
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: have fewer picks, you know what I mean, Like you

962
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: have a surfle and have six. Yeah, it's a fourth

963
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: round pick. How am I not gonna have a first

964
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: round pick next year? Are getting? Yeah, that's gonna have

965
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: like two good players on a rookie because you're gonna

966
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: have a guy that can play eight positions on the

967
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: back end of your defense is and he's an absolute

968
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: super free you're normally against type. But I think he's

969
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: gone on. I think he's awesome. That's why Jeff said

970
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: it right. Like affordable assets, I'd go one and two.

971
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: That's it. I'd go this year's one and two Friday

972
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: Simmons and that's it. Can't be taking multiple ones for me.

973
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: Can't be snatching those things for me, especially for a

974
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: guy that's really for this team. A luxury I'll throw in,

975
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: how how would he a luxury where you're gonna be, like, listen,

976
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: I know you're a linebacker, but you're kind of gonna

977
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: be a strong safety. It cost me two ones, but

978
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: I think it'll work fine. You're gonna be like my

979
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: box safety, big nickel slash, occasional slot slash, occasional free

980
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: safety slash, whatever the hell I want. You to be

981
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: if you told me you could undo a contract that's

982
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: already been done for a linebacker, you can't pick him,

983
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: well let's go No, that's fine, like hey, man, because

984
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: they would bring that dude in and that dude would

985
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: be better than both your linebackers and he would not

986
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: replace them. That's what would happen first round picking a

987
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: paid guys. Worry about play you make Jalen a sam

988
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: slash Nickel rusher slash or whatever. Here we going three four?

989
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: He could? We could? What it sounds I'm doing that

990
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: to him. I've got a lot of commercials and well,

991
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: you got a crap on my dreams. Man. So I

992
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: finally found a player that I'm willing to get reckless

993
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: for and you're telling me it doesn't make any sense.

994
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: But everything makes sense for that man, everything makes sense.

995
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: I just think he can play five positions. We're gonna

996
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: fit in. One more question, Kate, you've got forty five seconds?

997
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: All right? All right, this one's Taylor made for you.

998
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: It says, tell me more, Charlie t tight End Portland State. O,

999
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: my god, how you like this guy? So I chose

1000
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: this question? You got now the forty seconds? Okay, well,

1001
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: he's the Portland State guy, which you just said. He

1002
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: pull up my note. Sorry, three solid years or production. Uh.

1003
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: I do need to recheck his time, because I was

1004
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: not expecting a question about him to ever come up

1005
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: again on the Draft show after I brought him up

1006
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: the first day. He brought him up day one. Uh man, No, no,

1007
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: I just want to find his time. I don't know

1008
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: till my time was. Doesn't matter though. What I saw

1009
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: is he had a horrible quarterback and college so as

1010
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: a struggle sometimes, but he's a big target underneath. I

1011
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: had him at sixty three two forty eight four seven five,

1012
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: so a pretty decent time. He didn't put up stinking

1013
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: albert O numbers, you know, or anything like that. But

1014
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty good at working back in

1015
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: the scramble drill, working his way back to the quarterback.

1016
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: Showed good hands, showed the ability to catch with his hands,

1017
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: and not a very good blocker, kind of a getting

1018
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: the way guy. But I saw someone his deep day

1019
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: three value. I had a fifth round grade aut him

1020
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: can play anywhere though. Slide seven five out there? Did

1021
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: you give me a four seven five? It's my guy, Charlie.

1022
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: Here you go Charlie representing, well, we're out of time

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Speaker 1: there for Twitter on the twenty. We're almost out of

1024
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: time here for the Draft show, but we're gonna take

1025
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: a quick break. When we come back. We'll wrap up

1026
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Speaker 1: looking outside at the Ford Center, A beautiful Thursday, another

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00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,880
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Speaker 1: In our final segment here from the SWBC Mortgage Studios,

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00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: and we started this earlier in the show, stock Up

1068
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: stock Down. We got through all our stock ups. Jeff

1069
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: got his stock down snuck in there, thank you. And

1070
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: now we've got to go to Kat who were some

1071
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: of your stockdowns from the twenty twenty NFL's County Combat.

1072
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: He's a guy who I actually came around on on

1073
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: tape and everyone thought highly of him going into this season,

1074
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: and then he had a bad year. He had twenty catches,

1075
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: but he played for an offense that was a complete

1076
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: dumpster fire. But it's Titan Jared Peatney of Vanderbilt. And

1077
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: then I get nervous because he looked slow at the

1078
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and then he went and his numbers tell

1079
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: you a four nine six forty yard dash. He didn't

1080
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: participate in anything else because he's not that great of

1081
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: an athlete, and I thought he was better than that

1082
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: he was. You know what, we watched him on tape,

1083
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: go catch the ball with his hands, go make some

1084
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: tough catches. Could be a matchup issue. I did not

1085
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: see four nine six coming. I didn't think he was

1086
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: going to run that. So Jared Pinckney is now a

1087
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: Day three flyer. He is a guy that teams are

1088
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: gonna be nervous about. They're gonna wonder if he works hard.

1089
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: They're gonna wonder if he's got the ability to stay

1090
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: in shape. They're gonna ask questions about dude, or do

1091
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: you even care because you just don't see it. Maybe

1092
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: he just can't do that, you know, maybe he just

1093
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: can't show that athleticism. Get separation. But man, he had

1094
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: such a good year in twenty eighteen with fifty catches

1095
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: and came into the year, you know was hey, this

1096
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: could be a tight end one tight end two tight

1097
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: in three type of guy, and he has just disappeared.

1098
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: He had a rough combine. I thought he could on tape.

1099
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: I thought he could win in one on one situations,

1100
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: go track the ball and do things like that. But

1101
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: four nine six that's just not gonna work. You're slowing

1102
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: down my offense and his twenty eighteen tape was so good.

1103
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: It was very good. That's one of the things that's

1104
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: so disappointing with Pinckney is that he looked like, at

1105
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: least going into his final season with the Commodoreds, is

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00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: that he was going to be a guy to look

1107
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: for as a first second day tight end. He shouldn't

1108
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: have gone back. If he wouldn't have gone back to

1109
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt and people have gone in the drags last year,

1110
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's probably gone on first step. Still would

1111
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: have had to get time day one day too, still

1112
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,959
Speaker 1: had to get time. Yeah. Absolutely, you're such an ass sometimes.

1113
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: That's why I listened. They should all hire me. I

1114
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: would be like, here's what you've been running. We're not

1115
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: running They both about Prodey, We're not run running it

1116
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: because that's what everybody's like, Oh, he didn't run the combine,

1117
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: but he's gonna run his product. No, if we're gonna

1118
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: have bad times, we're running it. Neither. Yeah, but we're

1119
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: trying to make money. If you don't have like top

1120
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: notch tape, you're gonna run the risk of alienating yourself

1121
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: because people expect to see that. I mean, but if

1122
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: you don't have top notch tape and you run a

1123
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: five flat, what's a team? I thought his tape was good.

1124
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: If Pinckney doesn't run, what's a team gonna assume? Worst case?

1125
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: Probably better than what he ran. Yeah, yeah, I thought

1126
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: his tape was good. Now twenty catches, you go, huh,

1127
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: what's going on? But that offense to go off of

1128
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: the Lipscomb is a good wide receiver Colladia. Lipscom is

1129
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: a good wide receiver who played at Vanderbilt, and he's

1130
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: got didn't have it anything like because Sean Vaughn the

1131
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: running back. Yeah, it's a good player. That's just a

1132
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: It was a bad offense. They had no offensive line.

1133
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: They just didn't have a chance. The quarterback wasn't very good,

1134
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: And I thought his tape was fine. I'm the ted

1135
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: The Senior Bowl was a big red flag. You know,

1136
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: it was a big red flag. He just looked slower

1137
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: than everyone and then yo, wait he is slower than everyone,

1138
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 1: and maybe he just didn't really see that on tape.

1139
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: The other guy who had a stock down on is

1140
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: Bradley and Nye defensive end from Utah. Jeff, you like

1141
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: a Nye quite a bit. Yeah, this defensive end class

1142
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: just keeps getting less and less encouraging that it was

1143
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: about Curtis Weaver. He was a stock up guy. Gosh, am,

1144
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: I gonna have to put Curtis Weaver ahead of an Eye.

1145
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: I had a full round difference going into the combine,

1146
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: and we were in the third and nine in the second,

1147
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: and now they're kind of neck and neck. Weaver might

1148
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: be the better prospect. I mean, I bat terrible three

1149
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: cone bad jumps. I mean, if you're gonna be a

1150
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: sub two hundred and sixty pound defensive end, you gotta

1151
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: be athletic. Which one are these numbers worse? For the

1152
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: fact that Bradley and is a defensive end and then

1153
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: Jared Pinkney's a tight end and their numbers are similar

1154
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: in the fifth or in the forty? Which one? Which

1155
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: one is? Are you supposed to run down the field

1156
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: and catch the ball? Yeah, that's why works for Pinkney.

1157
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: It definitely works for Pinney. I guess with an eye.

1158
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting him to to, you know, tear it

1159
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: up or anything. You watch him on tape, you don't

1160
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: see that. It was a middle round guy. I was

1161
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: hoping seven and a seven one three cone. I go, okay,

1162
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: all right, and you start to look at it's it's

1163
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: combining all of it and normally don't care too much,

1164
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 1: but like even some of the shuttles and things like that,

1165
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: the three cone you take into it, and you know

1166
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: his arms, dude, his arms are so small too. And

1167
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: a defensive end. I need you to have some linked

1168
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: out there. So that's something that really bothers me, with

1169
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: the alligator arms out there a defensive end. Dave stock Down,

1170
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: this is this is harsh because I actually this is

1171
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys. We all we all like no, okay,

1172
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: but I'm not ready to pull the plug on Cameron Danzler,

1173
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: so we like him a lot. Big range cornerback Mississippi State.

1174
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: You turn on the tape, he stays with some of

1175
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: the best receivers in the game. He gave up and

1176
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: you know it sounds like bad. He gave up fifty

1177
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown to Jamar Chase of LSU compared

1178
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: to what Chase did too. You're going to show me

1179
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: the other play. I only saw a six yard out

1180
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: that he got caught on point. He played really well

1181
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: against Jamar Chase. Let's put it that way, Chase had

1182
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: fifty yards and touchdown in the game, and he played

1183
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: Davante Smith at Alabama really well. He got beat on

1184
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: an out and up and that's about it. Everything you

1185
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: like in a cornerback until he runs a four sixty

1186
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: and again, it's probably the one position where a forty

1187
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: yard dash can make or break you. It's a risk,

1188
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: it's just a risk thing, but it is very few

1189
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: and four. It's interesting though, because again, if you have

1190
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: thirteen games of tape of him sticking with SEC caliber receivers,

1191
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: how much does a four six forty scare you? Well,

1192
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: does he start getting penalized more? Because he's a really physical, yeah,

1193
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: all over the field kind of guy. I just I'll

1194
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: tell you what I did with him. I had him

1195
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: as an early second rounder and now I have him

1196
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: at the top of the third round. That's how much

1197
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: four six at mid four six scares me. Because I've

1198
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: done this before with Tease Taber. I stood on his tape,

1199
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I believe, I believe in this dude.

1200
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: But the fact that he ran a four to seven

1201
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: it was over. I can't do it. And so at

1202
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: four six four Josh Norman did it for a while

1203
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman's done it. But outside of that, it's like,

1204
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm baby and Howard, where can you find him? Yeah,

1205
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: it's very rare. I'm putting a pin in it. Well,

1206
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: and I think a big thing is we're not talking

1207
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: about him as a first round pick. Yeah we never right,

1208
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm putting a pin in it. I'm gonna give him

1209
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: a chance to run at his pro day, and he

1210
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: came out on Twitter like he was unhappy with his time.

1211
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: So he's gonna get back in the lab and if

1212
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: he can like get closer to four to six, maybe

1213
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: even crack like high four or five, get him at

1214
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: get him at thirty. Yeah, yeah, where's Brian to turn

1215
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: the clock off at the thirty eight yard line? It

1216
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: is legit, Like it's hard to find those guys who

1217
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: are casey. Here was another guy who ran really slow,

1218
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: like a forty and table day that since into your

1219
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: career by any means no, no, And I think his

1220
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: tape gives you a little bit of hope, like, Okay,

1221
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: this is something if you can stick with. If you

1222
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: can stick with the guys at LSU, you can play cornerback,

1223
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: Like those are all pro receivers now. I'm burning that

1224
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: pick pick fifty one in the second round, and I'm

1225
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: so nervous about that at all. We'll see send that

1226
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: to Damon our Nett and then you'd pick dancer the

1227
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: next round. Yeah, and just because we're running short on time,

1228
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: Jones was your other guy, which I mean, Hamilton's not

1229
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 1: impressive athletically either, but like Benito, Jones brought up the rear,

1230
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: like just across the board, and I don't I don't

1231
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: believe he even benched, which was like the one thing

1232
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: he was probably gonna be good at. I mean, the

1233
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: numbers speak for themselves. Senior Bowl, I saw like a

1234
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: few plays, a few one on ones, and I was like, oh,

1235
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: this guy's interesting. I turned on the tape and I

1236
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 1: was like, how come he falls on every place? He's

1237
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: on the ground a lot. He's a fall down guy,

1238
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: I think people. And again we're not talking about first

1239
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: and second round picks, but like, if I had to

1240
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: peg him going into this, I would have said, like, oh,

1241
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a fourth round, fifth round guy.

1242
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: But I don't feel I feel like I just I'm

1243
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: just pushing him even further. Just like if you got

1244
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: twelve picks, you can use one of your seves on him.

1245
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling great about it. I've got one of

1246
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: those guys in my stock down, a guy who I

1247
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: thought may have been a guy you could have looked

1248
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 1: at in a late round scenario. Two stockdowns. kJ Hill,

1249
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: wide receiver of Ohio State. I did not think he

1250
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: had a good combine. He didn't. I thought he had

1251
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: a perfect comb So no, I'm with Kevin. Get him

1252
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. Not explosive, it's not real big. Oh,

1253
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: he probably dropped the ball. I'll take him in the

1254
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: fourth and then Mitchell Wilcox out of USF. This is

1255
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: a tight end that we have not mentioned before. He

1256
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: wasn't expected to be a guy to light up the combine,

1257
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: and nor did he. He had some pretty poor numbers.

1258
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Speaker 1: But he also had the most embarrassing moment of the combine.

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Speaker 1: He got hit in the face. Well, he was trying

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Speaker 1: to catch his gad, he didn't know which way to

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Speaker 1: turn for the first got him right in the side

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Speaker 1: of the face. So that is why I said his

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Speaker 1: stock went down. I'm really glad we line up on

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Speaker 1: kJ Hill because I mean I saw him make people

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Speaker 1: look silly all week at the Senior Bowl. I don't

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Speaker 1: care if he runs a four six. I'm not drafting

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Speaker 1: him in the top one hundred, but start him in

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Speaker 1: the scene. He can hang around to the fourth round.

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Speaker 1: Let's party. He's Jarvis sladry Um. Say no more family.

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Speaker 1: How much like a discount doctor Thunder? You know brand?

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Speaker 1: Sign Sign me on you pick one eighteen, let's go.

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