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Speaker 3: Good morning, Sweirl and welcome to the No Dunks podcast

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Speaker 3: on the Athletic Network. It's Tuesday, April sixteenth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Happy playing Day. I'm J skeis here in the Classic

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Speaker 3: Factory alongside me as always, Tax melis.

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Speaker 1: Id guest that's there's this is for you.

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Speaker 3: Next to him, it's the bearded one atap Shot Boy,

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Speaker 3: Trey Kirby. Hey, hey, you over Yonder making the magic happen.

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Speaker 3: Super producer JD. Hello, and we got a special guest today.

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Speaker 3: You've read his work at ESPN dot com, you've seen

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Speaker 3: him probably pop up on NBA today, and you've definitely

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Speaker 3: listened to him on the Hoop Collective podcast where they

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Speaker 3: talk about the NBA. It's Tim Bonteps. Tim, thanks for

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Speaker 3: joining No Ducks.

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Speaker 1: Hey, fellas, it's Uh. I've listened to this spot for

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Speaker 1: I don't know ten years, twelve years, so amount of time,

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Speaker 1: long time, and it's pretty fun to be on week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're catching you at the perfect time, tim because

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Speaker 3: we're gonna jump right into it. We have so much

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Speaker 3: Hoop Collective podcast. We had people comparing your performance on

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Speaker 3: the latest Hoop Collective to Wilt Chamberlain's iconic fifty three,

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Speaker 3: thirty two, fourteen, twenty four and eleven games. Shout out

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Speaker 3: to at NBA Baby Secret, because you just went on

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Speaker 3: an epic rant about the Cavaliers throwing that game on

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Speaker 3: you know, the winner of the Sixers heat game in

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Speaker 3: on the magic and you went off. So two questions,

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Speaker 3: One have you heard from Cavaliers fans about that take

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Speaker 1: You might be shocked, Skates since you know me, but no,

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Speaker 1: I haven't changed my opinion at all. And as far

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Speaker 1: And I said, this is going to go on a

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Speaker 1: So I went on and they played a big chunk

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Speaker 3: what do we do? That's loser mentality. You're supposed to

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Speaker 1: They don't want to go to the fortress, they want

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Speaker 1: nothing to do that, right, that's right to see you guys. No,

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Speaker 1: about it. I have a couple of days.

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Speaker 3: It's like, how just.

431
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Speaker 1: Give me five names. I don't want you to spend

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Speaker 1: three days processing what you're gonna do, because the whole

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Speaker 1: point is it's like a snap pole during during an election, right,

434
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Speaker 1: it's like who's gonna win as of right now? And

435
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Speaker 1: you know last year the last one I did, Nikole

436
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Speaker 1: Jokich and Joel Ebiid were a virtual dead heat. So

437
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Speaker 1: Joel Abid eventually won. But it's not like the last

438
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Speaker 1: drop hole, I, you know, convinced everybody to vote for

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Speaker 1: Joel Embiid. And the other thing that I don't think

440
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Speaker 1: people think about when we think about this thing is

441
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Speaker 1: like the last one, I think, Jokic had eighty five

442
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Speaker 1: first place notes in the tress pole, and I got

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Speaker 1: a lot of comments saying, oh, how is Jokic winning

444
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Speaker 1: in such a landslide? And like, the thing people don't

445
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Speaker 1: think about with that is if the person who's in second,

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Speaker 1: let's say that the second let's say Lucas in second.

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Speaker 1: In the actual voting, let's say Luca gets eighty second

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Speaker 1: place votes, Well, that means that for one hundred people,

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Speaker 1: eighty of them were deciding between Luca and Jokic and

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Speaker 1: decided to pick Jokic. Right, it doesn't mean that lucas

451
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Speaker 1: like eight miles behind the guy. But if you have

452
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Speaker 1: a bunch of people narrowly decide to go in one direction.

453
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Speaker 1: It can look like a landslide win when it's really not.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of times the thing people

455
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Speaker 1: don't really think about is that, like when I ask people,

456
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Speaker 1: it's a lot of agonizing over, well, I guess I'll

457
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Speaker 1: pick this guy, but it's close, and for one reason or another,

458
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Speaker 1: I'll add this way. But you know, I understand why

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Speaker 1: people get worked up about it. It's obviously a big

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Speaker 1: deal every year. I mean, part of the reason, honestly

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Speaker 1: why I started it was because people talk so much

462
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Speaker 1: about it and care so much about it. But I

463
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Speaker 1: do think that people sort of get lost in the

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Speaker 1: actual numbers of the votes and don't think as much

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Speaker 1: about the fact that it is really close and it

466
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Speaker 1: is really competitive, and I cannot fathom that the actual

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Speaker 1: voters spend any time worrying about what the last straw

468
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Speaker 1: pole said. And as an actual voter, and as people

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Speaker 1: who are I know who are voters. We just got

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Speaker 1: our ballots last night. They're due at six pm tonight,

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Speaker 1: and I know that just about everybody waits till the

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Speaker 1: last day and then spends all day today agonizing over

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Speaker 1: who they're going to choose, because you know, everybody cares

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Speaker 1: about it and wants to get it right, and so

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's worried about, oh, we got to

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Speaker 1: make sure the straw pole is right again.

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Speaker 2: Well, just like you don't send us ballots to vote

478
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Speaker 2: in your straw pole, the NBA doesn't send us ballots

479
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Speaker 2: to vote in the straw pole either. Do they recommend

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Speaker 2: putting effort into it or are they just like, give

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Speaker 2: us your top five names whatever you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't send any they don't send any recommendations.

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Speaker 1: They just they send it. They send it. There's an

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Speaker 1: Ernst and Young sends a thing with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: drop down menus, and the number of times I look

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Speaker 1: at it and make sure that I don't click the

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Speaker 1: wrong one the nast Xeth Curry or yeah it's I

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Speaker 1: check it twenty seven times.

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Speaker 4: Well, now now I know what Howard Beck was doing,

490
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Speaker 4: because at the All Star Game I saw him. He

491
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Speaker 4: was on a treadmill. I talked. I said, I said, hello, hey,

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Speaker 4: how you doing? And he said, just hold on. He

493
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Speaker 4: gave me a finger, He's just hold on. He was

494
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Speaker 4: just thinking about your shrupfle how to answer it, because

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Speaker 4: he was sure he was I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he was.

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Speaker 3: So you said the ballots are officially due, Yeah, six

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Speaker 3: pm Eastern today before the playing games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Have you shared your official ballot yet? Is that something

501
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Speaker 3: you're willing to do? You locked in your MVPU? What?

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Speaker 3: What's one two three for Tim Buntimes?

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Speaker 1: I have I don't know if I've said it publicly

504
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Speaker 1: or not, but I'm going to go for Nikoliokic. I'm proud.

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Speaker 1: I think my ballot's going to be Nicolokic, Luka Doncic,

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Speaker 1: Shake Gilds, Alexander John's Tenecupo and Jalen Brunson I think

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Speaker 1: will be my one to five. And look, Yokic is

508
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Speaker 1: the best player. He obviously had an incredible run last

509
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Speaker 1: year in the playoffs, got to the got to the

510
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Speaker 1: mountain top, won the title, and just his sheer night

511
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Speaker 1: tonight brilliance to me puts him a little bit ahead

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Speaker 1: of Luca, in a little bit ahead of Shay. And

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Speaker 1: you know, if somebody votes for either of them, I

514
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Speaker 1: think it's totally reasonable. I don't like often like it

515
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Speaker 1: often is the case. I think there's three or four

516
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Speaker 1: guys you can make a credible case for mm HM.

517
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Speaker 1: But for me, that's I think the way it's ultimately

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Speaker 1: gonna go.

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Speaker 2: Do you plan on handling All NBA the same way

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Speaker 2: you're doing your MVP valet well, like your top five

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Speaker 2: on All NBA be that same five or do you

522
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Speaker 2: care at all about switching it up now?

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Speaker 1: I think that'll be the same. I mean, there was

524
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Speaker 1: a time when I thought about potentially swapping out Jason

525
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Speaker 1: Tatum for Jalen Brunson for the fifth All ANDBA spot,

526
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Speaker 1: but Brunson has been absolutely unbelievable for the Knicks and

527
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Speaker 1: for people that don't know this year. ALBA for the

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Speaker 1: first time I think ever, but certainly in a very

529
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Speaker 1: long time is not by position anymore, so you just

530
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Speaker 1: have to pick fifteen players, so it is a little different.

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Speaker 1: It worked out where that five more or less is five.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's two front core players sort of with

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Speaker 1: Luca you can put them as a garter forward I guess,

534
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Speaker 1: but two guards too forwards in a big so it

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Speaker 1: worked out that way. But yeah, no, I think that's

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Speaker 1: that's the way I'm gonna go for that too.

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Speaker 3: So you said you're still thinking about it. That sounds

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Speaker 3: like you haven't clicked send yet on these actual and no,

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Speaker 3: I haven't.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I haven't.

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Speaker 1: Is there gonna I'm gonna sit down after the pod

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Speaker 1: and go through and do it this afternoon, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I love to hear that is what which one do

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Speaker 3: you anticipate being the most difficult decision of all the

545
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Speaker 3: awards or even all NBA teams? And you know, let's

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Speaker 3: let's step aside from m VP for a second. Which

547
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Speaker 3: of these other awards are you like, oh, maybe him?

548
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Speaker 3: Maybe him? What are you torn on?

549
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think because I haven't actually sat down

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Speaker 1: and like thought about it that way. Uh. I mean,

551
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Speaker 1: the all defensive teams are gonna be tough. Yeah, They're

552
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Speaker 1: always difficult to choose. And again, those used to be

553
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Speaker 1: two guards and three front core players and now it's

554
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Speaker 1: just ten players. And we talked about this last week

555
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Speaker 1: on our pod. But you really, in a normal year,

556
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Speaker 1: you guys know this, the most impactful players defensively generally

557
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Speaker 1: are bigs, Right, So if you're really doing that by

558
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Speaker 1: who are the truly best defensive players, you probably should

559
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Speaker 1: have eight or nine bigs on the team. I don't

560
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Speaker 1: really like that, though, and I'm leaning more towards going

561
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Speaker 1: a couple of guards and probably three bigs on each

562
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Speaker 1: team to sort of more mimic. Hey, this is like

563
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Speaker 1: to reward some of these tremendous perimeter defenders, guys like

564
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Speaker 1: Derek White, Guys like Alice Caruso, Guys like Jalen Suggs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he played a big part in Dame

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Speaker 1: playing poorly on Sunday, So that one's gonna be tough.

567
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Speaker 1: The second and third All NBA teams are gonna be

568
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Speaker 1: tough to figure out exactly where to land guys. Obviously

569
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of financial ratifications about that. And this

570
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Speaker 1: will be a funny answer, but the hardest thing to

571
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Speaker 1: do year is the second All Rookie team because there's

572
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Speaker 1: generally five rookies that are pretty solid, and then the

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Speaker 1: second five it's like what am I? What am I

574
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Speaker 1: doing here?

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Speaker 3: That's what you need to take your own advice and

576
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Speaker 3: just pick five names.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's basically what I mean. It's not quite that,

578
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Speaker 1: but it's there's Usually it's if you're spending a lot

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Speaker 1: of time, like God bless my buddy Zach Low. I'm

580
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Speaker 1: sure he spends four hours thinking about he's taped in

581
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Speaker 1: eleventh Uh, choices for all rookie, though he didn't give

582
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Speaker 1: up his bow this year, so we could think about

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Speaker 1: it less.

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Speaker 2: But sound like he's thinking about it less.

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Speaker 1: No, he's not. He's not thinking about it. He's just not.

586
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Speaker 1: He's just not his name on the final bout. He's

587
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Speaker 1: doing them all the time.

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Speaker 2: Talk about a confusing one. Am M. Thompson and the

589
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Speaker 2: Sir Thompson. You're gonna have to double check those ones

590
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Speaker 2: on the ballot a lot. And speaking of rookies, how

591
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Speaker 2: serious of consideration are you giving Wemby four Defensive Player

592
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Speaker 2: of the Year All Defense or I mean some people

593
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Speaker 2: are probably gonna vote him All NBA Third Team, Like,

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Speaker 2: he'll probably get a couple of votes for that. How

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Speaker 2: much I'm sederation given him.

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Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised if he didn't get one or

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Speaker 1: two All NBA votes. He's not gonna be Defensive Player

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Speaker 1: of the Year for me. Rudy Gobert is the obvious

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Speaker 1: choice there for me. I guess there's maybe a chance

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Speaker 1: he gets on the ballot there for me, I don't

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Speaker 1: think so, though I do think there's a pretty good

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Speaker 1: chance will be on one of my All defensive teams.

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Speaker 1: He's obviously gonna be Rookie of the Year, you know,

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Speaker 1: early in the year chat Holger and I thought was

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Speaker 1: clearly in front because Victor did kno get off to

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Speaker 1: as good of a start as Chet second half of

607
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Speaker 1: the year. I mean, we've all seen what Victor's done.

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Speaker 1: He's been unbelievable. So he certainly is going to be

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Speaker 1: the Rookie of the Year this year. But yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get votes for all those different teams,

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Speaker 1: Trey and and the Defensive Player of the Year award.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll get some votes for that, and I

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Speaker 1: think you know, Brian has talked about voting for him,

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Speaker 1: other people have talked about it, so but he's not

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna be on there for me. I just

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Speaker 1: obviously their team has not quite been to the level

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Speaker 1: that I think you could give somebody Defensive of the Year.

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Speaker 1: And also, like I said, the whole year matters, and

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Speaker 1: for the first thirty or thirty five games they they were,

620
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Speaker 1: he was not having nearly the same impact he's had

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Speaker 1: since then.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very good point. And the Lakers should

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Speaker 4: play the Nuggets because Wemby.

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Speaker 1: Just beat them.

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Speaker 4: Should see that. I mean, this past weekend obviously, So

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Speaker 4: that's what the nugger.

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Speaker 1: Swe Graham, Wow, Flutch Player of the Year.

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Speaker 3: Maybe love that guy? Oh yeah, you do vote on

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Speaker 3: clutch Player of the Year as well.

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Speaker 1: There's that one also is a lock.

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Speaker 3: Who are you going with?

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Speaker 1: I'll give you one guess to Martin Rosen. To Martin Rosen.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, this guy's a big Bulls fan. I guess so

634
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Speaker 2: Huge watching Huge. It's gonna be great. The balls are

635
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: gonna somehow win two awards this season Flutch Player of

636
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Speaker 2: the Year and most Improved finished under five hundred. But

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Speaker 2: I actually think it's a good idea to throw out

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Speaker 2: the first couple of weeks, a couple of months of

639
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Speaker 2: the season, because then the balls are like a five

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Speaker 2: hundred team, solid Bulls rocket up.

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Speaker 1: The standings if you just start at the beginning of I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know why people count the beginning of the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you had to pick, and it doesn't have

644
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Speaker 3: to be like one of the postseason teams, but like,

645
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Speaker 3: which team was the most disappointing team to you this season,

646
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Speaker 3: Maybe that you came in to the preseason having higher

647
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Speaker 3: expectations or thought they just maybe click a little bit

648
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Speaker 3: better than it did. Who would you pick. I mean,

649
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Speaker 3: there's obviously some candidates.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think for me. I mean you

651
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Speaker 1: could say Memphis, I guess, but yeah, I mean they

652
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Speaker 1: I mean, they had a trillion injuries. It's kind of

653
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Speaker 1: hard to blame that on that.

654
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Speaker 3: And we knew Jaw was going to be out for

655
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Speaker 3: the first twenty Yeah.

656
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Speaker 1: I knew jah I was gonna miss time. I mean,

657
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Speaker 1: they've been disappointing, but there's some extenuated circumstances there, right,

658
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's gotta be Milwaukee. Yeah. And

659
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Speaker 1: I was down on the Dame Loler trade from the beginning.

660
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Speaker 1: I didn't think they should have did it and should

661
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Speaker 1: have done it. I said it at the time. I

662
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Speaker 1: still don't really. I don't like it for them. I

663
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Speaker 1: don't think it helps them in the playoffs ultimately, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see. This is what they did it for us

665
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: the wing games of the playoffs. We'll see if you can.

666
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Speaker 1: But you look at the way their season is gone

667
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Speaker 1: and compared to what the expectations were. I mean, for

668
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Speaker 1: them to be third in the East, for them to

669
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Speaker 1: not win fifty games, I think they finish the forty nine. Yeah,

670
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Speaker 1: to struggle as much as they have since Doc took over,

671
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Speaker 1: being nineteen and twenty over their final thirty nine games

672
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Speaker 1: of the season, Dame not playing well, all the issues

673
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Speaker 1: that have gone on there, the fact that Boston is

674
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Speaker 1: fifteen games ahead of everybody in the East. You know,

675
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Speaker 1: like you could say Phoenix, you could say some of

676
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Speaker 1: these other teams, But to me, it's I think it's

677
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Speaker 1: got to be Milwaukee from what people expected them to

678
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Speaker 1: be compared to what they look like, and maybe they

679
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Speaker 1: could stay. Obviously, we'll see what happens over the next

680
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: couple months, but it's just it's just been a really

681
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Speaker 1: disappointing overall year for them. I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, when we knew you were coming on,

683
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: the fans were excited here in the No Dunks universe,

684
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Speaker 3: and one of the questions we got a lot was

685
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Speaker 3: they wanted to know what was your favorite nickname of

686
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Speaker 3: the two, Him Bontemps or Timmy good Times.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's much of a contest there.

688
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: I've had the same nickname since I was like fifteen,

689
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Speaker 1: So Timmy good.

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Speaker 3: Times, him Bonti this is pretty damn good too.

691
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you're for people that don't know my

692
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: last name meets good times in French, so that's where

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Speaker 1: that comes from.

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Speaker 2: We got a big Canadian audience. They already knew.

695
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well not everybody, but yes they should know.

696
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Speaker 3: All right, let's get into some other NBA news here.

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Speaker 3: You already alluded to it. Tim Phoenix Suns sharpshooter Grayson

698
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: Allen has agreed to a four year, seventy million dollar

699
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Speaker 3: contract extension that includes a player option. The deal keeps

700
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Speaker 3: Allen out of unrestricted free agency this summer, rewards him

701
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Speaker 3: for a really good year for Phoenix. I mean he's

702
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Speaker 3: shooting forty six point one percent from deep Yep. He

703
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: started in a lot of games, has played a lot

704
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Speaker 3: of games. Were surprised by this timing of this contract

705
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: extension and the money he got. You think he could

706
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Speaker 3: have warranted more if he had hit free agency. What's

707
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Speaker 3: your take on Grayson Allen four years seventy mili.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, and we just talked about the Bucks skeets, right,

709
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: and I think people have forgotten because of everything that's

710
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Speaker 1: gone on. The Bucks didn't just trade Drew Holiday in

711
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: that trade, right, they traded Grayson Allen, who's a nice

712
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: player and like if they had Drew Holiday and Grayson Allen,

713
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Speaker 1: I'd argue they're a better team right now than they

714
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Speaker 1: are with Damian Lillard. So obviously he's had a fantastic year.

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Speaker 1: As you said, to go back to the question you

716
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Speaker 1: asked me, I am not surprised that they did this deal. Now.

717
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Speaker 1: He became extension eligible a couple of weeks ago. This

718
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Speaker 1: allows them to have him locked up going forward. As

719
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Speaker 1: you guys know, and I'm sure many of your listeners know,

720
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Speaker 1: they're certainly plugged into things. The Second Apron and the

721
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: two Aprons kick in this year this offseason. Now Phoenix

722
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: well into the Second Apron, they're not able to put

723
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Speaker 1: players together to make trades. You can only make one

724
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Speaker 1: player for one player trades money wise, so having guys

725
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Speaker 1: under contract is critically important. They don't have access to

726
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Speaker 1: really any ways to add players. They traded all their

727
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: draft picks, so they needed to pay him, even though

728
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Speaker 1: it's going to cost Matteshpia, the owner of the Suns,

729
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Speaker 1: a gazillion dollars to do so. And like you said,

730
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Speaker 1: Grace has been fantastic this year, and I think it's

731
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Speaker 1: a really good deal. The max he could sign for

732
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Speaker 1: I think was about four for seventy five. I think,

733
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Speaker 1: so it's a little bit under what he could have

734
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Speaker 1: ultimately gotten. But he also is a guy in his

735
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Speaker 1: mid twenties who gets a player option on the end

736
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Speaker 1: of that deal, and so in three years he'll be

737
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Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty eight, the new TV deal will

738
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Speaker 1: have kicked in, and the Sarah cap should have gone

739
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: up a decent amount, and he'll be able to opt

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Speaker 1: out and sign another deal right in the prime of

741
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Speaker 1: his career. So Phoenix gets a guy under contract who's

742
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Speaker 1: a good young player who has fit in really well

743
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Speaker 1: with their team, and Grayson gets some big time financial security,

744
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: which he hasn't really gotten to this point in his career,

745
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: and also gives him a chance to get himself back

746
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Speaker 1: in the market in a couple of years. So I

747
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: think this really worked out well for everybody. And you know,

748
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Speaker 1: as part of what's been a really good few days

749
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Speaker 1: for the Suns, they come for behind in the fourth

750
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Speaker 1: quarter and steal one in Sacramento. They obviously blow out Soda,

751
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: they get this matchup like we talked about with the Wolves,

752
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: and now they get Grayson Dunn. So really good few

753
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: days for Phoenix. Going into what's obviously a pretty massive

754
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Speaker 1: playoff series for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it also potentially sets the market for some

756
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: other sort of sharpshooter like guys when they eventually hit

757
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: free agency. I know, Raptors fans bring up Gary Trent Junior.

758
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Speaker 3: Will it be comparable less, you know, Malik Monks sort

759
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: of as a score or two in free agency, So

760
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: we'll see here.

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Speaker 1: I haven't thought about that. That's a great point for that.

762
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: I mean, he's that those are certainly all similar kind

763
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: of guys that that should that should really set the

764
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: market for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I can understand why Grayson Allen wouldn't want

767
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: to leave Phoenix. Sixty four percent of his shots, according

768
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: to NBA dot COM's tracking data, are considered.

769
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Speaker 1: Open or wide open.

770
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Speaker 2: So he's getting easy shots and he's knocking him down.

771
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Speaker 2: But I've had so much Bobby Marks in my life

772
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: recently trying to learn about the second Apron. The question

773
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: becomes what happens to Phoenix if they flame out in

774
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: the playoffs this year, because they're going to have the

775
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: highest payroll in the league heading into next season. Yeah,

776
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Speaker 2: Matt Eshbi is happy to be paying it now. It

777
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: looks different if you lose in the first what happens

778
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 2: to Phoenix if things go poorly?

779
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: Like?

780
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Speaker 2: What kind of changes could they actually make? Would Devin

781
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: Booker ever want to leave Woul? Kevin Durant say, you

782
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: know what, maybe another place is the place for me. Basically,

783
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: the only guy I feel like stays around for sure

784
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: is Beal because of the no trade clause.

785
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: That's right. I was gonna say, what's not gonna happen

786
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 1: is Brad. The Beal's not gonna get moved as you can't.

787
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, look, I think when the thing and I

788
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: mean you guys have followed the NBA forever, so I

789
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: know you agree with me on this too. I love

790
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: the next two months so much because a you learn

791
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: so much about basketball and about what works and what doesn't.

792
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: And when you get into the playoffs, especially in a

793
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: year like this, where again I think you could take

794
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: away Denver and Boston two teams. I think everybody just

795
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: about thinks should get to the finals. Everybody else is

796
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: more or less the same, right. There's degrees of separation there,

797
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: but not many. So you only have sixteen teams that

798
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: can make the playoffs. The Warriors, the Pelicans, the Lakers,

799
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Speaker 1: at least one of them isn't making the playoffs. You

800
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: look at teams like Philly and Miami, one of them

801
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: could miss the playoffs. You're already gonna have some teams

802
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: that have expectations of advancing the playoffs that don't even

803
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: make them. Then you get into the first round, and

804
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: only eight teams can make the second round, and there's

805
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: probably fourteen or fifteen teams that are gonna think, hey,

806
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: we can win a series or two, and there's gonna

807
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: be probably ten or twelve teams that think they can

808
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: win two series to get to the conference finals. Only

809
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: four teams can get there. And so when you get

810
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: into the playoffs and you fail, not only do you

811
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: learn about what these teams need to do going forward

812
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: to get better, to improve, to advance farther in the future,

813
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: it also creates situations like this Trey where you have

814
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: a team like Phoenix with all these expectations and if

815
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: they don't win, it's what happens now. And look, maybe

816
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: they just bring everybody back and say, hey, it was

817
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: the first year, we got to add some more depth,

818
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna be better next year. To all work out,

819
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: or like you said, this goes badly in the first round,

820
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: they lose in five or six games, and there's massive changes.

821
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Speaker 1: I think it's hard to say exactly what's going to

822
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: happen there, just because of how combustible that kind of

823
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: situation is and can be with all those guys involved.

824
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: But what's undoubtedly true is across the league, whether we

825
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: talked about Milwaukee, we talked about Minnesota earlier, we're talking

826
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: about Phoenix now, there's so many of these teams that

827
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: have real things at stake as early as the first

828
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: round of the playoffs that whether it's Phoenix or other places,

829
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: there's going to be significant ramifications across the league depending

830
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: on how these playoffs shakeout. And I think this all

831
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: sets up for what's going to be a truly wild

832
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: summer in the league, because there's going to be a

833
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: lot of disgruntled and unhappy teams, and by extension, a

834
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: lot of disgruntled and unhappy players, And then by extension,

835
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of stuff happening because

836
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: disappointment in the playoffs leads to change, and we see

837
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: a year after after year, and I think there's got

838
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: a chance to be as much of it as ever

839
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: this year because of how even the league is, and

840
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: because of how many teams are going to expect to

841
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: make runs when just by the math, a lot of

842
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: them can't.

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Speaker 4: You're so right about the Sun's Timberwolves series and how many,

844
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 4: how much expectations they have just from everybody around their

845
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 4: team and fan base and looking forward to having those

846
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 4: guys signed for next season. Grayson Allen makes the Sun's

847
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: starting salary up to one hundred and eighty million dollars

848
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 4: is what they're gonna pay their starters next season. The

849
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 4: Wolves will pay one hundred and sixty million dollars. Mike

850
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 4: Conley's nice guy, taking a little discount there to make

851
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 4: it in one eighty verst one sixty. But you're totally right,

852
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: they're gonna go Whoever loses is going to go into

853
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 4: the summer thinking we got to do something. But that's

854
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 4: the Suns really can't do all that much, yeah, unless

855
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: they make a huge deal. So that is why, as

856
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 4: you said, these next two months, these next two weeks

857
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 4: are going to be ridiculously fun for the Wolves and

858
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 4: the Suns and the Bucks. That's a great point about

859
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 4: trading greatest, Grayson Allen. It goes under the radar. He's

860
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 4: having obviously a career season, but if he was back

861
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 4: there on their backcourt along with Drew Holliday, they'd be

862
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 4: a totally different team.

863
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: So at last year.

864
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that fell short. That everybody's like they got to

865
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: change stuff.

866
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: That's it.

867
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 3: This is what Tim's saying, Like these teams with expectations,

868
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: some of them are going to lose and then impatient owners,

869
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: impatient superstars, Oh we can't do this again. That's a

870
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: definition of an insanity So like you.

871
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: Said, look at Milwaukee. Milwaukee obviously has a crazy fluke

872
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: series in the first round. Gianni SMIs is a couple

873
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: of games, they blow multiple twenty point leads, back to

874
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: back twenty point leads against four and five. They lose

875
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: that series, They fire Mike Budenolzer, they trade Drew Holliday,

876
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: they then fire Agrient Griffin midway through the season. Dame

877
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: is not looking great. But that's that's the definition of

878
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Like the next couple of weeks

879
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: at a minimum, are going to set in motion a

880
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: lot of things across the league and at there's just

881
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: as I feel like there's as much or more of

882
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: that right now in the NBA than ever, And I

883
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: do think it really sets up for a potentially wild

884
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: next couple of months.

885
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like there's more of it because he

886
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: said it. It feels and this is what Silver wanted, right,

887
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: this idea of like parody, like how many teams do

888
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 3: we have between forty six and whatever? You know, fifty wins?

889
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: Like sold fourteen teams between forty six and fifty one wins?

890
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: She yes, yeah, so obviously they all are thinking the

891
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: same way. Oh, we should win a series or two,

892
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: or or we're a piece away from a conference finals.

893
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: They're all thinking that. Of course they all aren't going

894
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 3: to be that, and then we get the chaos summer,

895
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: and hey, good for content for guys like us.

896
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: Yes, we love that's true.

897
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: All right, Moving on here, The Brooklyn Nets are planning

898
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: to hire Sacramento Kings assistant Jordi Fernandez as their next

899
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 3: head coach. Jordi spent time coaching with the Nuggets back

900
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: in the day. He was a player development coach with

901
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: the Cavaliers from nine to thirteen. He also coached the

902
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: Canadian national teams.

903
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: You got to say, where where are we at? With

904
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: the real thos you get Tom getting.

905
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 3: To coach Canada new a bronze medal baby beating the Americans.

906
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 3: We'll get to that right well, to the superpower team

907
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: the Americans are putting together to try and take down

908
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: Dylan Brooks in Paris. But yeah, Jordi Fernandez looking like

909
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 3: he's gonna be the head coach of the Nets. What's

910
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: your thoughts on that too.

911
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: I like to hire for the Nets a lot. They

912
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: obviously needed to change the energy around the franchise. It's

913
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: been an abysmal few months there ever, since they tanked

914
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: that game against the Net against the Bucks at home

915
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: back on December twenty seventh. Jordi, as you mentioned, did

916
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: a phenomenal job last year taking over for Nick Nurse

917
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: ahead of the World Cup with the Canadian national team.

918
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: Getting to the bronze medal was a huge deal. Winning

919
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: that overtime bronze medal game against Team USA did a

920
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: fantastic job. Obviously, that's a great experience for him coaching

921
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: on the international level. I assume he'll be coaching the

922
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: team again this summer in Paris, which should be also

923
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: a super fun tournament to watch this summer, and I

924
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: think for this NETS team it makes sense to bring

925
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: in one of the best, you know, one of the

926
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: guys around the league as an assistant coach who's sort

927
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: of been on the short list of guys to be

928
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: the next NBA head coach for a while. And it

929
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: also I think gives the Nets some optionality this summer

930
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: to either stay on the path that they've sort of

931
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: discussed going on before, where you have Michael Bridges and

932
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: some of these other guys, you try to add veteran

933
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: towent to it, or go the other way and try

934
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: to get some younger players and turn this thing over.

935
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: Because if they've gone and hired Mike Budenholzer, say, to

936
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: be their coach, right Mike Budenholzer's not signing up for

937
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: a rebuil. He would want this team to move along

938
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: in a certain direction. So Jordi gives them the ability

939
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: to do that if they want. But I think it

940
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: gives them a lot more flexibility. And for where the

941
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: Nets it right now, they shouldn't be picking a specific

942
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: path like that anyway. It should be whatever the best

943
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: opportunity comes along, we should jump on it. And I

944
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: think for a team in their position, Jordy makes a

945
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: ton of sense and hopefully he takes the job and

946
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: runs with it.

947
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: Ziller noted in his newsletter this morning how we could

948
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: be looking at like a quiet offseason when you're looking

949
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: at the coaching carousel, because now we have Jordi Fernandez

950
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: taking the Oakland job. I guess we have two vacant

951
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 3: jobs sort of in Washington and Charlotte. You know, two

952
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 3: really bad teams that are still looking for a head coach.

953
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: But then you know coaches on the proverbial hot seat.

954
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: It's I don't know, maybe Darvinham with the Lakers if

955
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: they like lose and don't get in even to the

956
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 3: postseason or something like that. JB. Bickerstaff with the Calves.

957
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: Is there anyone else that comes to mind? Because usually

958
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: we have like sometimes like ten to eleven possibilities or openings,

959
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: but not many. Am I missing a name though, that

960
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: could be on the hot seat? You think maybe besides

961
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: Doc Rivers, I.

962
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: Guess, well, rather than say specific names, I'll just go

963
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: back to what we just talked about. And last year

964
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: at the start of the playoffs, nobody thought Mike Budenholes

965
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: was getting fired there for the first round. Yeah, And

966
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: I think when you talk about changes that could come

967
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: this summer with disappointment in the playoffs, the coaching seat

968
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: for a bunch of these teams. I'm not saying a

969
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: bunch of coaches are getting fired, but that often becomes

970
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: an easy choice to make when you're trying to change

971
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: things around after it pointing result of his season. So

972
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: right now, it looks like it'll be quiet. But let's

973
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: see what happens over the next couple of months and

974
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: how this plays out, and then you know, we can

975
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: look back and say, maybe there were only these three jobs.

976
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: Certainly doesn't look like any of the bad teams are

977
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: doing anything, But let's see what happens with a bunch

978
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: of these good teams as the playoffs get started and

979
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: the pressure ratchets up, and we see what the fall

980
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: it is from teams that fall short to where they

981
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: want to go.

982
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: Which is a better job, Hornets are wizards.

983
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: If you're a coach, I would say the Hornets job,

984
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: only because it's farther along, right, like you've got LaMelo ball.

985
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: At least in theory. He hasn't been able to stay

986
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: on the court the last couple of years. Brandon Miller

987
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: looks like a really exciting young player. Mark Williams has

988
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: a lot of potential as the center. Obviously, he's missed,

989
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, a good chunk of this season with back issues.

990
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: He said it exit interviews on Monday that he feels good,

991
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: he's going to be He wants to play all the

992
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: two games next year, hopefully he can. So he's been

993
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: very intriguing. He's very started the year when he was

994
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: out there. You know, Washington is starting this thing from

995
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: the ground up. There's not a lot there. It's gonna

996
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: take a while, I think. So if you're a coach

997
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: and you want you're walking into a situation where you

998
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: got something to work with on the court. I think

999
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot more on the court right now in Charlotte.

1000
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: So I would say there.

1001
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: One coach that will not be getting fired. Pretty confident

1002
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: in saying that, Mark deagnoll of the Oklahoma City Thunder.

1003
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: He was voted the National Basketball Coaches Association's NBA Coach

1004
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: of the Year. That's a mouthful. Yeah, the Coaches Association

1005
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: give out their own coach of the Year. This always

1006
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: catches people by surprise, but yes, he obviously won this

1007
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: in taking the youngest team in modern league history with

1008
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: an average age of twenty four years old to the

1009
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: Western Conference number one seed. Here NBC's NBA Coach of

1010
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: the Year Mark Dagnall. Do you think he's gonna win

1011
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 3: the actual award as well? Tim, when you're filling out

1012
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 3: that ballot later, what do you think.

1013
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: He's got to get my vote? I'd be surprised if

1014
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't win. I mean they have They had a

1015
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: team with an average age under twenty four win the

1016
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: Western Conference regular season, right Like, It's a pretty easy,

1017
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: pretty easy case. And obviously you can always pick a

1018
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: bunch of guys to win this award every year. But

1019
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: he's done a phenomenal job. And it has been interesting

1020
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: to hear sort of the general slander of the Thunder

1021
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: over the past week or so, people, you know, sort

1022
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: of just dismissing any chance they have seemingly of making

1023
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: a run. And there's nobody happier about that than Sam

1024
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: Presty and the Thunder. I am sure because they have

1025
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: won the Western Conference regular season and now can play

1026
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: the Nobody Believes in US card, which is kind of

1027
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: an incredible thing. Yeah, but yeah, he's done a phenomenal

1028
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: job and I think he is a fairly easy choice

1029
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: to a Coach of the Year this year.

1030
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: Nobody believes in us because we have to show our

1031
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 3: card at the bar when we're buying a drink.

1032
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: They have to finish their breakfast. Remember you go back

1033
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: to they're still eating so they can't play basketball, that's right.

1034
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Degnel has increased okac's victories from twenty four to

1035
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: forty to now fifty seven. Uh, it's pretty impressive stuff.

1036
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: And I think it's just a thunder. And the Celtics

1037
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: as the only teams to finish top five in both

1038
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: offensive and defensive efficiency, so that's that's something there too.

1039
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: It's not like this is just a juggernaut team on

1040
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: one end or the other. They played both sides of

1041
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 3: the basketball. So yeah, I think we all agree that

1042
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: he's gonna probably run away with the actual actual award

1043
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: when we find out maybe later this week or whenever

1044
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 3: they announce it.

1045
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: They want from the second overall pick to the second

1046
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: best record in the league in two seasons. Yeah, get

1047
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: Wayne Casey style coach of the Year seal later.

1048
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 3: Let's move to the Pistons here. Following the worst season

1049
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: in franchise history, the Pistons are ready to make some changes,

1050
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 3: so According to Shams, the Pistons will hire a new

1051
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 3: president of basketball Operations to work over GM Troy Weaver. Okay,

1052
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: I think Troy Weaver is still going to keep his

1053
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 3: job here, at least for now. This may be caught

1054
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: mees by surprise. I didn't even realize they didn't have

1055
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 3: a president of basketball operations. They haven't had one, I

1056
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: don't think since stan Van Gundy when you had the

1057
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: dual role there. But do you have a do you

1058
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: see a prospect if candidate the Pistons should be looking at,

1059
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: or what do you do if Tim monteps is in

1060
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: control of Detroit Pistons, where do you start?

1061
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: I guess I mean, in all seriousness, you have to

1062
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: get everybody on the same page. Like Detroit's biggest problem

1063
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: over the past several years is that they've had sort

1064
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: of a bunch of different people pulling things in a

1065
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: bunch of different directions. And it's hard enough to win

1066
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: in the NBA when you have everybody going in the

1067
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: same direction. It's impossible when you have different people going

1068
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: in different directions and you can't agree on what you're

1069
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: trying to do. And whatever the Pistons do this summer,

1070
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: that's The first thing that they have to figure out

1071
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: is we have to get everybody on the same page.

1072
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: We have to pick a specific direction and we have

1073
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: to stick to it, because they've just gone from thing

1074
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: to thing and it obviously the results speak for themselves.

1075
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's they haven't won a playoff game. This

1076
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: is a crazy stat. They have not won a playoff

1077
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: game since two thousand and eight when they were playing

1078
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: the Celtics in the East Finals. So obviously it has

1079
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: not gone well there for a long time and they

1080
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: have to have some serious rethink about the way they're

1081
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: going about their business. But that's the first thing is

1082
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: they have to whoever they hire, whatever they do, they

1083
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: have to get everybody pulling in the same direction instead

1084
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: of playing tuggle war because that just doesn't work.

1085
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: Does that mean that Monni Williams and Troy Weaver should

1086
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: maybe be a little bit nervous since they would have

1087
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: been hired previous prior to the new president of basketball

1088
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: operations coming in. I know, Troy Weaver signed an extension

1089
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: before last season, and then before this season Monnie Williams

1090
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 2: got the biggest coaching contract of all time just to

1091
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 2: come out of retirement.

1092
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Look, it all goes back to the same thing, right,

1093
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: Like they've made all these moves like this, given out

1094
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: extensions here and there, and obviously they gave money the

1095
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: biggest contract at the time in the history of coaching

1096
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: candidates in the NBA, and you know, it's still got

1097
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: them to hear. So whatever they do with those guys,

1098
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: they have to get and whether they stay there or not,

1099
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: they have to all figure out one direction and stick

1100
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: to it together as a group, because until they do,

1101
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: they're just going to be spinning their wheels and sitting

1102
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the East. Because you know, it's

1103
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: the literal definition of insanity to just keep doing the

1104
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again. And that's what they've

1105
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: been doing for a long time, and it's why they're

1106
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: in the position they're in.

1107
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: You say insanity, we call it competitive in Chicago, same

1108
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: thing every year. You know what to expect to just

1109
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: to go to the sea. That's right, It's a dynasty.

1110
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 3: It's a play in Dinasty for sure. Between the Hawks

1111
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: and the Bulls.

1112
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Hawks and Bulls. They are the

1113
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: definition of playing teams. That's what Jay Young is back,

1114
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: mister playing I.

1115
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 3: Think we uh you know the Laker. Let's not forget

1116
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: what the Lakers.

1117
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: They're at.

1118
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: Playing dynasty teams right in this.

1119
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: Will certainly are yeah, certainly apetially.

1120
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: If they win again here tonight, uh, final piece of

1121
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 3: news here. USA Basketball is finalizing the twenty twenty four

1122
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: Paris Olympics men's basketball roster. It sounds like we have

1123
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 3: eleven of the twelve names. Okay, multiple reports. You know

1124
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: we've got woes. We got Sham's Joe Varden, who's really

1125
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: tapped into this, saying that Team USA will include Lebron James,

1126
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 3: Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, got Anthony Edwards, there, Anthony Davis,

1127
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 3: Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Booker, Jwell Embiid playing for Team USA,

1128
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum, Drew Holliday, and bam At a Bio. The plan,

1129
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: I guess, is to keep one roster slot open ahead

1130
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: of July training camp in the exhibition games in Vegas. Now,

1131
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: there's some some whisperings that it will be Kawhi Leonard

1132
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 3: as that twelfth man. But not a bad team. Congratulations

1133
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: to you Americans. I'm putting together a pretty good looking

1134
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 3: squad there. I like your chances. Who should be that

1135
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: twelfth man though, Tim should it be Jalen Brunson, should

1136
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 3: it be Qui someone else? In mind what you got?

1137
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Kawhi Leonard's healthy and you can add in

1138
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: to your team. It's probably not a bad idea. But

1139
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: let's also see who's playing on the team in a

1140
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: couple of months, right, Let's see who's still healthy in

1141
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: a couple of months. Who makes it through the playoffs

1142
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: without any issue? Does does other stuff come up to

1143
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: prevents guys from playing? But look, certainly if they can,

1144
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: if Team USA has that group plus anybody plus me.

1145
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: It would be good times obvious, give me a gold.

1146
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: Medal, away a towel, great. But yeah, I mean, it

1147
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: almost doesn't matter who they add if they have this group.

1148
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: But again, like you know, knock on wood. Hopefully, just

1149
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: for everybody's sake personally, they get through the playoffs healthy

1150
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: and everything's fine. But we're a long ways away from

1151
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: the end of July when this all gets started, so

1152
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: let's see how it goes. But you know, this has

1153
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: been obviously the Paris Olympics have been something people have

1154
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: talked about for a few years now. It's something a

1155
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are going to want to take

1156
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: part in Steph's never played in the Olympics, Lebron. I

1157
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: think it be his fourth gold medal, So, you know,

1158
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: makes sense that you've got a lot of these big

1159
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: names attached to it wanting to play. But it's early,

1160
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: so let's see what the roster looks like when I'm

1161
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: a training camp with them in Vegas in July.

1162
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 3: There's the poll we need which member of the Hoop

1163
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 3: Collective podcast should be the twelfth man on Team USA,

1164
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 3: Tim Bontemps, Tim McMahon or Bryan Windhorse.

1165
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's a I don't think

1166
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: that's a landslide for Wendy. I would guess, I think

1167
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: guess that everybody would want to see Wendy over there

1168
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: with the quaff waving a towel.

1169
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: I mean he'll probably he'll probably be there as it is, right,

1170
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: I mean usually, yeah, he's covering it.

1171
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: I know he's familiar with the family.

1172
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure he'll be having a few a

1173
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: few intimate dinners with UH with the parents and hanging out.

1174
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: So sure he'll be heavily embedded in the French hoop scene.

1175
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 3: Will you be covering any of this or as you

1176
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: sort of take the summer off at that point.

1177
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm not taking the summer off. If I can tell

1178
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: you that I will be. I will be a training

1179
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: camp in Vegas in July ahead of Summer League, so

1180
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: Brian can uh rest a little bit because he has

1181
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: to work really hard.

1182
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: So okay, but you won't be going to Paris.

1183
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: Not unless something changes. No, I will just be going

1184
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: to Vegas, and then I will be I will be

1185
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: watching the tournaments from the comforts of not Paris.

1186
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 3: Well, well, hold on, there's a there's a Paris in

1187
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 3: Vegas too, there's a Nifel Tower.

1188
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: That is true. I will not be in Vegas or

1189
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: the actual.

1190
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: The team stay there to get get used to the

1191
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: fig sky.

1192
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: Just go, just go, just go, have French food every day,

1193
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: get used to the whole deal. Yeah, I think that's

1194
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: a good immersion tactic by team you're I say, well, definitely.

1195
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 3: Well, look, Tim man Uh, every time we see you

1196
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: at either El Star Weekend or Vegas for Summer League,

1197
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 3: we always talk about me. We gotta get you on

1198
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: the show, we gotta get you on the slow. So

1199
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 3: I'm so happy we finally made that happen. Appreciate you

1200
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 3: taking the time to jump on here. Thanks to Philadelphia

1201
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: for bumping their game to Wednesday so we could have

1202
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 3: you on today because I know you'll be covering that

1203
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 3: playing game and before we let you go, I mean,

1204
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 3: sounds like you're leaning towards a nugget Celtics finals. But

1205
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 3: who do you got winning the championship. You're not afraid

1206
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 3: to make predictions unlike Brian Windor.

1207
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: So no Lee Diver is gonna win. I think Denver

1208
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: will be posted in the finals. I think we saw

1209
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: in I was at both games this year, the game

1210
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: in January and Boston the game in March. In Denver,

1211
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: we saw in the final five minutes of those games

1212
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: just what you'd expect, right, nakolek and Jabal Murray and

1213
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: the Nuggets made all the plays they needed to win,

1214
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: and the Celtics just made just enough mistakes to lose.

1215
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: And I think we Boston could certainly win that series.

1216
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: They're an immensely talented team, but Nikoleokich is better than

1217
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum, A and B. I just trust Denver more

1218
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: in those lat and close situations. And ironically, the Celtics

1219
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: are a lot like the Nuggets were last year no

1220
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: Denver slump going into the playoffs last year, they obviously

1221
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: hadn't got to the finals yet. I certainly wondered if

1222
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: Nikoliokich was good enough defensive to anchor a team get

1223
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: into the finals to win the title. And what do

1224
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: they do? They go sixteen to five, They wipe out

1225
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: the field, they sweep Lebron, they dominate Jimmy Butler in

1226
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: the heat. They walk to the championship, and then Nicole

1227
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: Oki is saying it's time to go home on the

1228
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: court after Game five, right, I see so yeah. So

1229
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: like the Celtics have done everything over the past handful

1230
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: of years except win. So that's they just have to

1231
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: go out and prove it. And until they do, I

1232
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: think people are understandably gonna be skeptical that they're gonna

1233
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: eventually get over the top. But you guys know this,

1234
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: Like you go back to the Warriors in twenty fifteen,

1235
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: go over and over again, We've seen the history of

1236
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: the league. Until a team wins, there's always skepticism of

1237
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: them being able to do it. Yeah, and when a

1238
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: team like this wins, people look back. Oh Man, Boston

1239
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: won sixty four games, they were the best team in

1240
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: the league. They had a net rating of twelve. Like

1241
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: of course they were gonna win, right, So it's just

1242
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: a matter of them having to go out and prove it.

1243
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: And I think they're gonna walk through the East. But

1244
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: as of now I'm picking Nver over Boston in the finals.

1245
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: There it is. Well, thank you again, Tim for jumping

1246
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 3: on here. It is too long in the making, and

1247
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 3: good luck with the start of the second season here

1248
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 3: because these playoffs are anything but short and I know

1249
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: you'll be locked in. Appreciate you jumping off.

1250
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it, follas. And as I've told you

1251
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: guys privately, you know on Hoop Collective obviously it's great

1252
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: to do the pot of a couple of my best

1253
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: friends every week in Tim and Brian, and I know

1254
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: personally that I've always tried to have it emulate what

1255
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: you guys have done for a long time, which is

1256
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: just having good friends sitting and talking about hoops. So

1257
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: it's been very fun to be on here and I'm

1258
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: glad we finally got to do it, and I look

1259
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: forward to doing it again, hopefully in person. If I

1260
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: ever had a reason to get to Atlanta. Yeah, there

1261
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: you go, and it's been it's been great, So keep

1262
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: killing it and I'll see you guys soon.

1263
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: Awesome Tim bonteps. Everyone drop a thumbs up in the

1264
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 3: stream team for Timmy good times. We're gonna wrap up

1265
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: here quickly because we got to get ready for tomorrow's

1266
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 3: show where we're doing our Western Conference previews of three

1267
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: series after we know the two seven matchup tonight. But

1268
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 3: before we go, let's just do a quick twet to the.

1269
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: Night treed o an o Wow.

1270
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 3: Caitlyn Clark went number one in the WNBA draft last night.

1271
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: Big shocker, going to the fever, and I love this

1272
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 3: tweet from the Athletic letting us know. I guess it

1273
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 3: was by way of Darren Revel, but Caitlin Clark's Indiana

1274
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: jersey sold out on the Fanatics website in sizes extra small, medium, large,

1275
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: extra large, and double XL within an hour of them

1276
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: officially selecting her with the number one pick. I guess

1277
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 3: there are still some small sizes available. It's good news

1278
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 3: for me. I can maybe grab one from the Fanatics website.

1279
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: But off of this, our good friend Casey Bannerman, who

1280
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 3: does incredible like custom jerseys. He does have this, don't

1281
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 3: miss out on it. If you're new here. These will

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Speaker 3: never ever re release again. When they're gone, they're gone.

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00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 3: You can go to Casey Bannerman dot com. But this

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00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: is like a you know, a PACER's take on the

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00:59:55,560 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 3: Fever Clark jersey, which with the pinstripes there. Honestly, so right,

1286
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: go grab one of those. I think you got like

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01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 3: less than twenty four hours if you want to get

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01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 3: your order in. But yeah, you got some pretty good

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01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 3: picks there for your Sky there last night TK take

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01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 3: an Angel with the second.

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01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: Pick, got some pretty big picks. Yeah, it's the Sears

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01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: Tower and the John Hancock Building all over again. Kim

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01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: Olla Cardozo and Angel Reese two non shooting centers in

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01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. I don't know, but I like both

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01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: of them, watching both of them in the past couple

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01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: of tournaments, and the Sky are gonna be big. They're

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01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: gonna be very very big. They got a defensive head

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01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: coach coming in in Teresa Weatherspoon, so we'll see if

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01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: they end up regretting trading a bunch of stuff to

1300
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: move up one slot and passing on Rakia Jackson. I

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01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: guess was another big question mark for the Sky, but

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01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: I was pumped to see Angel Reese coming. I might

1303
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: have to update my Candae Parker Jersey.

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01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 3: Oohkay. My buddy Grisha swung by last night and he

1305
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 3: did say he got the package for the Atlanta Dream,

1306
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 3: like not full season tickets, but like the ten game package.

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01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: So that's what I do with all these stars. That's

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01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 3: the move. That's right. And I was like, well, does

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01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 3: that come with a Fever game? Because I was like,

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01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like they would not include that one.

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01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 3: Apparently it does.

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Speaker 2: I bet they're going to move it, you think so.

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01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: I think they'll aff Yeah. The arena is too small,

1314
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: yeah for a Caitlin Clark game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they could sell it the Fortress probably, Yeah, I

1316
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 3: mean possibly at least. But yeah, it's the fun stuff

1317
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 3: there in the WNBA draft last night. Let's call it there.

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Speaker 3: Thanks again to Tim bon Temps for jumping on. That

1319
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 3: was a blast tonight on Playback seven thirty pm Eastern

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01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 3: jumping off for Lakers Pelicans first game in the play

1321
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 3: in tournament obviously the eight to seven matchup in New

1322
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 3: Orleans they just played, so they're running it back. Lakers

1323
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 3: have had their number. But we'll see what we get

1324
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 3: from Uh, well, we'll see if we get Lebron and

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01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: ad I mean, I don't know. I think they were

1326
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 3: like probable or question. But they're going to play and

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01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: and we'll see what we get from Zion.

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01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah eight is basically saying I guarantee, yeah, we'll be playing.

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01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: But it is weird to see the Lakers as the

1330
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: first game. Yeah, the postseason. It's messed up.

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01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 3: It's strange.

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01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: It's very strange at four thirty their time.

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01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 3: Well it's in New Orleans.

1334
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in New York's four thirty Lakers time. Oh yeah, yeah,

1335
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: they're still going to be eating their late dinners.

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01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 3: Do we know, we know if they ever left, did

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01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: they ever even they didn't leave, they didn't go.

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01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: No, no, ready, maybe they're.

1339
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 2: Just they're hanging out to New Orleans for a weekend.

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01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: I'm taking the Pelicans.

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01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 4: Condition times are different because Wednesday night, the Bulls are

1342
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 4: hosting a nine to thirty Eastern time. The Hawks gotta play.

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Speaker 3: That is weird.

1344
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 4: That is very weird. The schedule is weird.

1345
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 3: It's all because of the Sixers. Man, it's they had

1346
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 3: to bump it.

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01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: Eric Lindross huh.

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01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah man, Yeah, Rod Brindomar, So I got a game tonight.

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01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 3: You got an old Philadelphia fires?

1350
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 4: What happened to today? What happened to today's Philadelphia fly?

1351
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what happen to Yeah, I just know

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Speaker 3: Rod brindle War all right, Thanks agin to Tim, Thanks

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01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: everybody for joining us live. Hit the light button, subscribe

1354
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 3: podcast listeners, five star rating and review, and we will

1355
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 3: see you tomorrow to react to tonight's games in the

1356
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 3: Western play in and then we'll get into the two seven,

1357
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 3: the three six, and the four or five Western Conference matchups,

1358
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: will break them down. We'll make our predictions. So we'll

1359
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 3: see you that at ten am Eastern. Until then, Clipper Bro,

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Speaker 3: you heard it here first, have a great time, turn up.

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Speaker 1: Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us. And remember Mark Recky Mark Mark Ricci.

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01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 4: There was a Recki and a Ricci back then, two

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01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 4: of them. Yeah, it's different spellings, but I didn't like it.

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Speaker 3: Brace the day people