WEBVTT - Spider-Man: No Way Home + Marvel's Hawkeye Ep 5

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<v Speaker 1>Wording.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many spoilers that are about to be

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<v Speaker 2>in this pod. There are spoilers for the fifth episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Hawkeye, and there are spoilers for Spider Man No

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<v Speaker 2>Way Home.

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<v Speaker 1>So just be warned.

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<v Speaker 2>Spider Man No Way Home is absolutely packed and packed

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<v Speaker 2>and packed with stuff that happens. And if you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen that movie, you need to go see it now

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<v Speaker 2>before you listen to this because the amount of spoilers

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<v Speaker 2>that will be in here as we discuss this film,

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<v Speaker 2>it's ridiculous. So go watch that movie and then come

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<v Speaker 2>back to us. Oh my name is Jason Cooncepcia. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to x Ray Vision of the Cricket Podcast, where we

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<v Speaker 2>dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining it today, it had to be Rosie. It had

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<v Speaker 2>to be Rosie Night. We had to bring her back.

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<v Speaker 2>It had to be her to talk about this movie

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<v Speaker 2>with me. Rosie, how are you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, I'm good. I saw the movie. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe it. Is it real life that we saw this.

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<v Speaker 1>We really did it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we we high five after the movie and

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<v Speaker 2>we're like, I can't believe they did it, And they

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<v Speaker 2>did it.

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<v Speaker 1>They did it.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's what we're gonna be talking about in today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>First recap and a discussion of episode five of Hawkeye.

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<v Speaker 2>Next in the airlock, we're gonna be diving deep into

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<v Speaker 2>the multiversal madness of no Way Home. In nerd Out,

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<v Speaker 2>a fan pitches us on the novel sworts point in

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<v Speaker 2>the endgame. Yet another round of assembly required. First up, Hawkeye.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Previously on, let's talk about episode five of Hawkeye, titled Ronan,

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<v Speaker 2>directed by Burton Birdie, written by Jenna Noel Frasier. Just again,

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<v Speaker 2>a disclaimer. If you haven't seen episode five of Hawkeye yet,

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<v Speaker 2>it's great, but definitely watch it first. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to jump ahead to our Spider Man no Way

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<v Speaker 2>Home discussion, feel free to do that, but definitely if

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<v Speaker 2>you have not seen Hawkeye episode five yet, don't listen

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<v Speaker 2>to this portion of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Recap. We open in twenty eighteen, somewhere in Europe, after

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<v Speaker 2>the events of the movie Black Widow, Ylena and another

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<v Speaker 2>widow program escape Sonia and break into the mansion of

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<v Speaker 2>yet another person from the widow program named Anna. They

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<v Speaker 2>fight with her. They give her the red Dust antidote,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't do anything, and she's just like, why'd

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<v Speaker 2>you guys spill this weird red shit on my carpet?

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>And then it turns out she can afford this mansion

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<v Speaker 2>because she's been doing hits for someone who I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 2>it's Bishop Security, right, Yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Seems as we get further into the episode, it will

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<v Speaker 3>seem like it's Security or Sloan Limit, wherever you want

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<v Speaker 3>to call them.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an Ellen a Bishop connection here, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Later, Ylena tells Anna that she's been all around the

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<v Speaker 2>world after the events of Black Widow freeing lots of

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<v Speaker 2>ex widows. Talk turns to Natasha. This makes Yolene a

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<v Speaker 2>little uncomfortable. She goes to the bathroom to wash her hands,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she gets snapped and immediately from her perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>she is reconstituted in the same room, only now the

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<v Speaker 2>room has been painted and it's completely differently decorated, because

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<v Speaker 2>of course it's been five years. She wanders out and

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<v Speaker 2>there she sees Anna, and now Anna is there with

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<v Speaker 2>her partner and the child that her and her partner

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<v Speaker 2>have adopted, who I contend is quite possibly Reey Williams

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<v Speaker 2>as a child, but who knows and then Anna basically

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<v Speaker 2>explains what's been going on, and she's like, hey, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you need money now, why don't you pick up

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<v Speaker 2>some contract work, girl, Why don't you just go out

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<v Speaker 2>and kill some people you're trained for it. Jolena goes

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<v Speaker 2>to New York to find Natasha, but of course Natasha

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<v Speaker 2>passed away on Vormere and later in Black Widow. At

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the Black Widow movie. In The Stinger,

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<v Speaker 2>we will see that Contessa Valentina, like Erdfontaine, tells Yolena

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<v Speaker 2>that it was Clint Barton that killed her sister and

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<v Speaker 2>basically is like, hey, I'll set you up with a

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<v Speaker 2>contract to kill Clint Barton if you want. We go

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<v Speaker 2>to the present. Kate returns to her mom's pent house,

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<v Speaker 2>her mom Eleanor's penthouse after the fight with Elena and

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<v Speaker 2>Maya on the roof outside Maya's apartment. She's upset because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, she thought that she was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>Clint's partner in fighting crime, but obviously that has now

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<v Speaker 2>broken up because Clint feels it is too dangerous. Eleanor

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<v Speaker 2>comforts her tends to her bruises. Now, Eleanor asks Kate

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<v Speaker 2>does Clint think you're a superhero.

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<v Speaker 1>This bumped me a little bit. I want to run

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<v Speaker 1>a theory by you, Rosie. I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 2>After the Chatari invasion killed her husband, the father of Kate,

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<v Speaker 2>Eleanor then goes off and starts Bishop Security and builds

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<v Speaker 2>that up into quite a powerhouse company in the security sphere.

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<v Speaker 2>My theory is she hates super people because of what

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<v Speaker 2>they did. This is like they killed her husband, wrecked

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<v Speaker 2>her home, almost killed her and her daughter. She feels

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<v Speaker 2>that they're a menace. And I think there's a world

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<v Speaker 2>in which she's asking Kate this because she hates superheroes

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<v Speaker 2>and she's actively trying to get rid of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. She wants to kill them, and she's starting

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<v Speaker 1>with Clint.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that you're right, and I think that it

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<v Speaker 3>ties in tonally to a lot of what the Netflix

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<v Speaker 3>Marvel shows did, where it was like, what is the

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<v Speaker 3>impact for the people whose families died? R what is

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<v Speaker 3>the impact of the Battle of New York? How did

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<v Speaker 3>it destroy people and what did that make them do?

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think with the way that this episode

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<v Speaker 3>goes Spider Man away home like some things that happened,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that we're in a situation where you are

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<v Speaker 3>really onto something. And I think it's a really interesting

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<v Speaker 3>twist on Eleana, who in the comics. You know she

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<v Speaker 3>is this puppet master behind Madame Mask, but giving her

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<v Speaker 3>this more personal anti superhero vendetta is very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if she's the MCU Madam Mask. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if she's just Mada Mask.

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<v Speaker 3>It would make sense, especially if you do it in

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<v Speaker 3>a more MCU grounded way, where it's the Mask is

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<v Speaker 3>the Jewel Life, it's the it's the Double.

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<v Speaker 1>It's yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And her connections to some other famous crime bosses would

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<v Speaker 3>make you think that she probably has a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>credit in the in the bad guy world, which you

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<v Speaker 3>know Madam mosqu.

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<v Speaker 1>Would have, Madam Mask would absolutely have.

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<v Speaker 2>So Kate is like, listen, you know, man, I really

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<v Speaker 2>thought I could be one of them, meaning superheroes, And

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<v Speaker 2>Eleanor is like, you know, listen, when things fall apart,

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<v Speaker 2>you just need to you need to keep moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're my daughter, and I know who you're becoming.

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<v Speaker 2>You're becoming someone great, but not necessarily a superhero. Kate

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<v Speaker 2>then tells Eleanor, listen, we've been doing some digging into

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<v Speaker 2>Jack and he's involved with this money laundering front Slow Limited.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleanor is like, okay, I'll look into it, and she

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<v Speaker 2>tells Kate also, by the way, you're moving back into

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<v Speaker 2>the house. Elsewhere, Kazi tends to Maya after the fight

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<v Speaker 2>on the rooftop. He is like, listen, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>stop acting like such a fucking badass all the time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's me, like we know each other, Like you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to like be this tough person all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Maya tells him, Hey, you know what was really weird.

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<v Speaker 2>There was this other woman on the roof and it's

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<v Speaker 2>clear that Clint and Kate didn't know her either. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a strange piece of the puzzle. Meanwhile, Kazi wants Maya

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<v Speaker 2>to promise that after they take care of the ronin

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<v Speaker 2>that she'll just stop with this whatever this like revenge

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<v Speaker 2>mission is because it's bad. Kate returns to her fire

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<v Speaker 2>damaged department to find Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at this, it's Yolena eating.

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<v Speaker 2>Mac and cheese out of a pot. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>great scene, first of all, because one Hailey Steinfeld and

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<v Speaker 2>Florence Pugh are just so good.

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<v Speaker 1>They're so good. They're so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I love how dismissive Yolena is of Kate as any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of threat to her. She's like, listen, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>she's just like, yeah, let's eat out of the same pot. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I know we fought on the rooftop, but I could

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<v Speaker 2>kill you literally anytime I want, Like, I am not

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<v Speaker 2>worried about you even a little bit, like go for

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<v Speaker 2>your boat. It's it doesn't bother me even a little.

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<v Speaker 2>We learned that Elena loves a shocking amount of Saracha

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<v Speaker 2>hot sauce on her on her mac and cheese, and

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<v Speaker 2>she tells Kate, listen, my first time in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna see the site. I'm gonna see the tree,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go to Fifth Avenue. I'm gonna see the

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<v Speaker 2>Empire State Building. Oh, and I'm gonna I'm gonna kill

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<v Speaker 2>Clint Barton. That's why I'm here. She also spills that

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<v Speaker 2>she knows everything about Kate. She knows her grade point.

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<v Speaker 1>Average, you know, lives like every yeh.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably, she knows that she knows that she saved a dog,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think helps her, Jolena said, helps her in

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<v Speaker 2>her eyes, and then she continues with, Hey, I'm here

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<v Speaker 2>to assassinate Clint. By the way why Because I'm Natasha

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<v Speaker 2>Romanov's sister and Clint caused her death in some way,

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<v Speaker 2>and also did you know he killed the so many

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<v Speaker 2>people that it's an ocean of blood if you were

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<v Speaker 2>to put all of their blood like in one contater.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course Kate tries to say, no, Clint's a hero.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also clear that Elena not a fan of

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<v Speaker 2>the Avengers, although to be fair to her, she kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wasn't around when they were doing their best.

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<v Speaker 1>She was blipped out.

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<v Speaker 2>And it raises an interesting question, is it like widely

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<v Speaker 2>known what happened on Vormir you think, Rosie like, people

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<v Speaker 2>clearly know that Natasha.

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<v Speaker 1>Passed, so they must.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that like the exact how and why

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<v Speaker 2>is like known to people.

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<v Speaker 3>There's something about what has happened between endgame and now

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<v Speaker 3>and the blip that means that there is a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more information out there. Because something else that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>adds to this is in a minute, we'll get to where.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Clink goes to the Avengers memorial, right, but

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<v Speaker 3>it says Natasha Romanov, it doesn't say black Widow, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>so her name is out there obviously, Elena could know

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<v Speaker 3>because of vow or ever nefarious stuff you know information about.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think there's some kind of heroic historical representation

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<v Speaker 3>kind of hinted at with like Roger's the Musical, where

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<v Speaker 3>more of the this information is getting out now and

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<v Speaker 3>for some reason there's some kind of public knowledge of

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<v Speaker 3>what went on to stop Thanos, maybe just because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>half the world got flipped back into existence, so people

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<v Speaker 3>like probably want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yolena talks about how eager she is to go Clint

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<v Speaker 2>and asks Kate where is he cases I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>and Elena believes her. Clint meanwhile, is crashing at Grill's

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<v Speaker 2>apartment with Lucky the pizza dog. He's like, listen, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get a hotel. Could you look after the dog?

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<v Speaker 2>And Girls is like, no, wait, man, what are you

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<v Speaker 2>talking about? You sleep on my bed. I'll sleep on

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<v Speaker 2>the guy. Do you sleep in my bed? And CLI's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll sleep on the cash.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine. Back at Eleanor's we.

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<v Speaker 2>See the cops escorting Jack Away, who, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>is like taking all this in with a plume, is

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<v Speaker 2>not even a little bit flustered by it.

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<v Speaker 1>I have thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to tell me Tony Dalton icon. I want

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<v Speaker 3>him in every MC movie. I love Swordsman, I loved Jack,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think I think Jack is a good guy,

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<v Speaker 3>and not just do I think, and not just do

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<v Speaker 3>I think that Jack is like a patsy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jack is like a deep shield agent or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's something about the ease with which he takes

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<v Speaker 3>it and the absolute lack of surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not concerned even a little.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, somebody framed me, obviously, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>prove it. And we can guess who framed him. Because

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<v Speaker 3>this happens immediately after Kate brings suspicions about Sloan Limited.

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<v Speaker 3>So it seems very easy for Eleanor to immediately say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the man. It's it's him, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's more to him that meets the eye.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me just add this also, Eleanor the CEO

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<v Speaker 2>of a quite powerful private security firm, and she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do any digging into the guys she's hitting. No, she knew,

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<v Speaker 2>she knew, like she she she knew.

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<v Speaker 1>Right or she put his name on that Sloane Limited.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely she knew, you know, she knew Clint is walking

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<v Speaker 2>around the city. He goes over to Grand Central Station,

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<v Speaker 2>to the site of the former Stark Tower, where he

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<v Speaker 2>finds a plaque commemorating the Avengers defense of the city.

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<v Speaker 2>He takes out his hearing aid and he talks directly

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<v Speaker 2>to Natty, says, you were the bravest of all of us,

0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.120
<v Speaker 2>weren't you. You can tell he's really mad at her.

0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.360
<v Speaker 2>He misses her, but he's also mad at her for

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<v Speaker 2>sacrificing her life when he feels like it should have

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<v Speaker 2>been him, especially considering all the murdering he was doing

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<v Speaker 2>during that time.

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<v Speaker 3>The particular I agree, I don't even like black Meadow,

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<v Speaker 3>and I agree it should have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, And clearly he feels that way. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>apologizes to her for quote what I'm about to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he puts his hood up, signaling to us

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<v Speaker 2>that the Ronan has returned, and he walks off. Kate

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<v Speaker 2>wakes up and it's a brand new day with brand

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<v Speaker 2>new energy, and she's not given up and she's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to stop being Clint's partner. She gets on the

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<v Speaker 2>phone just like that scene and in Swingers, in which

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<v Speaker 2>Jon Favreau calls his X a million times and She

0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.360
<v Speaker 2>leaves a million messages on Clint's phone about Jack, about

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<v Speaker 2>being a hero, about what she plans to do, until

0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:15.920
<v Speaker 2>she fills up his voicemail. Meanwhile, Thomas and Ivan of

0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.520
<v Speaker 2>the Tracksuits are driving in a moving van across town.

0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.960
<v Speaker 2>They're talking about whether or not they look like the

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<v Speaker 2>Royal tenenbombs, the characters from the Royal tenenbaums, and then

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, the arrow smashes into the windshield

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<v Speaker 2>and the arrow contains a note. It says, Maya, meet

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<v Speaker 2>me tonight where you first met Ronan Alone, Clint calls Laura.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells her, listen, this problem is just not going away.

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<v Speaker 2>It's bigger than we thought. Maya has the watch. She's

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<v Speaker 2>been investigating us, and someone has hired a black widow

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<v Speaker 2>assass and he's concerned that the family's cover might be

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<v Speaker 2>blown and that the quote big guy might be involved.

0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Laura is like, do what you gotta do, follow your guy, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question. So the watch. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>connected to Laura somehow, and that for some reason people

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<v Speaker 2>don't realize that Laura is maybe still alive or you know,

0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:10.120
<v Speaker 2>somehow she effectively got out of whatever national security kind

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<v Speaker 2>of situation she was in and managed to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of her identity and has been laying low and the

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<v Speaker 2>family their location is unknown to people as well. There's

0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.760
<v Speaker 2>a missing piece though, somehow, because if that's the case,

0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.880
<v Speaker 2>why is Hawkeye like prancing around New York with his

0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.840
<v Speaker 2>kids going to like Rogers the Musical and he's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most famous people in the world, to the

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<v Speaker 2>point that people are walking up to him and coming

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<v Speaker 2>up to him in Chinese restaurants and being like, hey,

0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:35.640
<v Speaker 2>thanks for saving the world.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the hiding and plain side aspect of

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<v Speaker 3>this seems very misguided when the two I think that

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<v Speaker 3>my reading of it is whatever Laura was involved in, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>was a very very long time ago, to the point

0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.080
<v Speaker 3>where it's like, you know, Tony Stark didn't know who

0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.160
<v Speaker 3>she was or that she existed, He didn't know where

0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.080
<v Speaker 3>he said, this is an agent of some kind, Like

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<v Speaker 3>how would we not know about this? I think they

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<v Speaker 3>got a little bit comfortable, and the Watch is basically

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<v Speaker 3>waking them up. I do have a theory after this

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<v Speaker 3>episode though, if it was as I have proposed, as

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about, something to do with shield right the watch,

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<v Speaker 3>and it would blow her cover. Why would the big

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<v Speaker 3>guy aka the man that we are assuming is Kingpin,

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<v Speaker 3>why would he care?

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<v Speaker 1>What if? Yeah? What if? What if?

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<v Speaker 3>When Clint was talking to Kate in the house, he

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<v Speaker 3>says to her, the best shot was the one I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't take. And then there's a silence, and then Kate says, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>is it Natasha?

0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:33.840
<v Speaker 4>You know?

0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Do you mean Natasha or and he goes, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>Natasha or whatever. And I wonder if it was actually

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<v Speaker 3>about Natasha, And I wonder if it was also about Laura,

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<v Speaker 3>because Laura actually worked for Kingpin. I wonder if that's

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<v Speaker 3>what it was and that's how they met or something

0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.040
<v Speaker 3>like that, because Kingpin's the kind of person who would

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<v Speaker 3>have a tracker.

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<v Speaker 1>It would subvert kind of what we thought.

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<v Speaker 3>It would also explain how she could maybe get into

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of witness protection sque program. And I just

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if that's to be the twist, because the

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<v Speaker 3>one thing I don't get is, you know, why would

0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.800
<v Speaker 3>the big man get involved? And why would he care

0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.880
<v Speaker 3>who Laura about? And ISRAELI Like, what connection does he have?

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<v Speaker 3>Unless the other option is she was involved in something

0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.760
<v Speaker 3>to take the king Can down. But I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like the idea that maybe she had a darker side

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<v Speaker 3>as well, because she also says during that conversation, like

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<v Speaker 3>she says something like no matter what you do, like

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<v Speaker 3>just know, I will understand more than anyone else. And

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<v Speaker 3>that makes it sound like she's an assassin or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me posit this to you, okay. So, in the comics,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in the Daredevil Run, the kind of like I

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<v Speaker 2>guess late eighties early nineties Daredevil Run depictions of Kingpin,

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<v Speaker 2>Kingpin had an ex wife, Vanessa, that he loved very much,

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<v Speaker 2>who disappeared, who was scared of him and ran away

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<v Speaker 2>from him.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and she has been searching for her.

0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.480
<v Speaker 2>He's always looking for her, and Daredevil in various tellings

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<v Speaker 2>of this story knows where she is and goes to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to her when he needs information about Kingpin, and

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<v Speaker 2>but he's always protecting like where she is. Do we

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a world in which Laura Barton is Kingpin's

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<v Speaker 2>im the EMCU version of Vanessa.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to live in that world because.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a great theory, that is, like so, and

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<v Speaker 3>imagine if the watch was like something he gave her

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<v Speaker 3>as a gift, the tracking device in it, you know, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's definitely my favorite hawk Eye theory so far. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well let's stay tuned and let's see.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, at the Fatman used car Lot, which Wilson named

0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.720
<v Speaker 2>it that himself, so that's fine, but it's a little mean. Anyway, Clint,

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<v Speaker 2>dressed as the Ronan, takes out all of Maya's hensche's,

0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.800
<v Speaker 2>which guys, Maya, you gotta train these guys a little better.

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<v Speaker 1>It's they're not good.

0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:52.359
<v Speaker 4>I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, he's basically like Batman in this scene, like he's

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<v Speaker 3>like disappearing, He's like he's pulling people under. It's ridiculous.

0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.359
<v Speaker 3>Hawkuy was never that when he was not the Ronan,

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<v Speaker 3>so like, good for him, I guess. But yeah, train

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<v Speaker 3>them back.

0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Train them better.

0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Come on, Clint and Maya fight. I mean, Clint fights

0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.280
<v Speaker 2>her with the sword out, which feels a little aggressive

0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.680
<v Speaker 2>to me considering like what his actual like angle is here.

0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.760
<v Speaker 2>He beats her, he unmasks because he wants her to

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<v Speaker 2>see his face, and he says, listen, any threat to

0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:27.240
<v Speaker 2>my family will be dealt with with extreme prejudice. And anyway, listen,

0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.159
<v Speaker 2>you and I are the same, We're weapons. We are

0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.080
<v Speaker 2>easily manipulated because we're filled with rage. Don't let that

0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.080
<v Speaker 2>happen to you, and he tells her. Listen, here's another

0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.720
<v Speaker 2>tip for you. Okay, I was there when your dad

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<v Speaker 2>was killed. I was there that night when the track

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<v Speaker 2>suits got attacked. I was tipped off by an informant

0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.600
<v Speaker 2>who works for your boss. The implication being the boss

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<v Speaker 2>wanted your dad dead and now he's using you for

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<v Speaker 2>and similar to those to cover it up or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Maya is like, I don't believe it.

0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.320
<v Speaker 2>She attacks, grabs Clint's sword and tacks him, but then

0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Kate fires an arrow and disons Maya, and then Kate

0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.359
<v Speaker 2>and Clint take an uber out of town. So let

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<v Speaker 2>me ask who is the informant who works for the

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<v Speaker 2>boss who tipped off Clint?

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<v Speaker 1>You think? I do think it's Kazi.

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<v Speaker 3>I do because when we see Maya on the night,

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<v Speaker 3>she is the same, she is similar age to as

0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.040
<v Speaker 3>she is now. And I think it adds this really

0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.800
<v Speaker 3>deep personal betrayal because they've been friends since they were kids.

0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.600
<v Speaker 3>They were both raised by uncle, right, you know, so

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<v Speaker 3>Kazi has his own personal relationship to the man that

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<v Speaker 3>we're assuming is Kingpin, And I could imagine that he

0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.840
<v Speaker 3>would have done this thing that he regrets so deeply,

0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.680
<v Speaker 3>and that's why he's kind of so obsessed with protecting

0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.919
<v Speaker 3>Maya and kind of making up for it. So I

0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.199
<v Speaker 3>think that that is a likely option or a very

0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:44.960
<v Speaker 3>good red herring.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, I agree with you. Yeah.

0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Maya goes to see Kazie and she's like, hey, so, yeah,

0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.720
<v Speaker 2>the night that the run and attacked the track suits

0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.479
<v Speaker 2>and my dad was killed, you were supposed to be there, right,

0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:58.760
<v Speaker 2>You're my dad's second in command.

0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Where were you? And Cousy's like what, He's like.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't get the call, Like what, Like, dude, you

0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.000
<v Speaker 3>could come up with a bad idea.

0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I was out of town on a date with Canada.

0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:20.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't you know, Like, how dare you? Maya? Like

0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:21.160
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck?

0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.159
<v Speaker 2>And Maya is, of course extremely doubtful about this. She

0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.720
<v Speaker 2>drives off she screw. Later, Kate tells Clint that she

0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.600
<v Speaker 2>spoke to Elena, who they fought on the roof and

0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:34.959
<v Speaker 2>that it's Natasha's sister, and Clint knows of her really

0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:40.040
<v Speaker 2>weird response. He just goes okay, which I felt very

0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.040
<v Speaker 2>loaded for whatever reason, Like I don't know what he

0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.880
<v Speaker 2>knows of Yolena. I would assume that Natasha has talked

0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.080
<v Speaker 2>about her at length and that they have talked about it.

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.159
<v Speaker 2>They had that kind of relationship where they shared that

0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff, So it'll be interesting to see what

0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:58.320
<v Speaker 2>happens there. Meanwhile, Yolena is out there trailing Eleanor through

0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:02.359
<v Speaker 2>the streets. Back at Rills, Kate and Clint are seeing

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:06.399
<v Speaker 2>the tricks that Grill says taught Lucky. Kate gets a

0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.919
<v Speaker 2>text from an unknown person. I think it's Elena, right, Yes,

0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.600
<v Speaker 2>I think so, And it is a picture of Eleanor

0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.880
<v Speaker 2>with a man, and Kate's like, who is this guy?

0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 2>And Clint's like, that's the guy I've been talking about

0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.879
<v Speaker 2>this whole time. And then we see the screen of

0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:27.720
<v Speaker 2>the phone and it's Visitanafrio, Guy Gills and Vista cakeb

0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:30.879
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.240
<v Speaker 1>It's so good. I mean, they really did a brilliant

0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.040
<v Speaker 1>job in this one job. And as we will get

0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.600
<v Speaker 1>into with Spider Man, it becomes it's a very tiny choice.

0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:44.199
<v Speaker 1>It's a big It's all big. Okay, So let's go

0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:46.400
<v Speaker 1>into some of these questions.

0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:52.920
<v Speaker 2>What exactly is Eleanor's role in all of this, and

0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.720
<v Speaker 2>do we think that it was legitimately Clint who attacked

0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:57.520
<v Speaker 2>the Tracksuits and killed Maya's dad.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it was Clint.

0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.320
<v Speaker 3>I think think that the fact that he knows Kingpin's

0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:06.399
<v Speaker 3>been talking about Big Guy. I think Clint may have

0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 3>been in some way connected with or working for Kingpin

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.520
<v Speaker 3>because in the comics it's Kingpin who orchestrates the death

0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:15.639
<v Speaker 3>of my dad.

0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:17.359
<v Speaker 1>So this goes with the comics.

0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.359
<v Speaker 3>And I think that for whatever reason, you know, Ronan

0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 3>was a serial killer, right, so he didn't have great logic.

0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.440
<v Speaker 3>He could have been like, well, Fisk wanted them wiped out,

0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.439
<v Speaker 3>and it went along with my hatred of bad guess

0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:32.800
<v Speaker 3>or Fisk said, you know, I'll let Laura and you

0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.320
<v Speaker 3>go if you kill these people for me, you know.

0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:37.359
<v Speaker 1>So I do think it was Clint, but I do

0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:41.800
<v Speaker 1>think it was under the tutelage or in exchange for

0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.320
<v Speaker 1>it was something to do with Kingpin, and I think,

0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.399
<v Speaker 1>like that's going to be a big reveal in the

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.760
<v Speaker 1>next episode. Okay, Elena.

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<v Speaker 2>So when last we saw Elena at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>Black Widow, Julie Luis Dreyfus, the Kntessa Valentina Legradfontaine was

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<v Speaker 2>presenting her with a tablet with a picture of Clinton

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<v Speaker 2>it saying Clint killed your sister. What is the linkage

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<v Speaker 2>between the Kintessa and Bishop Security?

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<v Speaker 1>You think? This is what I want to know. Are

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<v Speaker 1>they saying that Val.

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<v Speaker 3>Is working for Kingpin slash Eleanor? Is that connected? Because

0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.160
<v Speaker 3>it seems like she when they said, oh, look into

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.480
<v Speaker 3>who ordered that hit, and then Elena is like, I

0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:26.920
<v Speaker 3>found out it was your mom. I couldn't tell whether

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Elena was lying to try and pick Kate and Eleanor

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<v Speaker 3>against each other, But I don't think that's the case.

0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:34.359
<v Speaker 3>I feel like Elena and Kate have a good chemistry.

0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:36.920
<v Speaker 3>They kind of trust each other in a weird, suspicious way.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm trying to work out if Eleanor and Kingpin,

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<v Speaker 3>who we now know are kind of incahoots or at

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<v Speaker 3>least know each other well enough to be photographed together.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they the ones putting together the Dark Avengers?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Is Bishop Security the space where they're trying to build

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<v Speaker 3>this team and instead of having a Norman Osborne or something,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to have Kingpin as you're kind of overseer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's like Dark Rain Fish because you're exactly.

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 3>Your Dark Rain figure. Like I I'm really interested. That

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<v Speaker 3>is the biggest question that I want to see answered

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<v Speaker 3>in the next episode, because it seemed very much like

0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 3>Val was the one in charge. But this reveal kind

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:17.280
<v Speaker 3>of hints that Kingpin has been puppet mastering things much

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:19.880
<v Speaker 3>further outside of just the TV shows.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I wonder if it's this. This is what I've

0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 2>been thinking, because it was it was a little a

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:30.480
<v Speaker 2>little suspicious to me how much Elena was really investigating Eleanor.

0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if it's that if the Contessa went to

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Elena and said, Okay, here, I have a mission I

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.239
<v Speaker 2>need you to I need you to get inside and

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:46.520
<v Speaker 2>investigate Bishop security and find out like what the links

0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 2>are to organize crime. As a bonus, you get to

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.600
<v Speaker 2>kill Clint Barton in the in the course of doing

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 2>your mission, because they want that. They're looking for an

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 2>assassin to do that anyway, and I want to know

0:24:58.040 --> 0:24:58.560
<v Speaker 2>who they are.

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:00.400
<v Speaker 1>So it's a two for one for you.

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<v Speaker 2>You go in, you get to kill Clit, and you

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<v Speaker 2>also get to investigate these people who are potentially bad.

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 1>That's very likely and very smart.

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:10.640
<v Speaker 3>I think basically that Elena is the mole for Val,

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 3>and vou was like, but you actually do want to

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:14.600
<v Speaker 3>do the mission, so just do it as well, because

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:16.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a This is not a good person, She's

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 3>a morally great person.

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 1>If you want to kill this Avenger, fine, I'm fine

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:21.359
<v Speaker 1>with that, But also, can.

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<v Speaker 3>You tell me who the fuck these people are and

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<v Speaker 3>what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if you think Jackie Kaine the Swordsman is

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<v Speaker 2>working for Val.

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<v Speaker 3>Too, Maybe that could be an interesting kind of if

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 3>it's Val, like from the comics where it's like at

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 3>one point she was entangled with Shield or Nick Fury

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 3>or something, so in that way, he was maybe a leftover.

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 3>I think he could be so deep undercover that he's

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 3>a leftover from before Shield in you know, Captain America too,

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Like I think this could be a he's been deep

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 3>undercover in the crime world of New York, fell for

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 3>Eleanor and was like maybe I can fix her or

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe maybe not, but you know, it seems

0:25:57.560 --> 0:25:59.640
<v Speaker 3>to be going well for me, Like nothing these tracks

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 3>with my what do they even do? They don't seem

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 3>that bad and lo and behold, he's now caught in

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 3>this kind of seemingly world ending superhero drama of Kingpin.

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:13.360
<v Speaker 2>And then final question when Clint goes to the plaque,

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 2>which can we get the Avengers a bigger plaque?

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Like it's fine, but it's not even a log human

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 1>like just the black Yeah, like that's all. It's just

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 1>like this plaque anyway, it's weird.

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:30.400
<v Speaker 2>He apologizes to Natasha for what he's about to do,

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 2>but what is that? Because it doesn't seem okay. So

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:38.399
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna contact Maya and be like, hey, don't do

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 2>the like you stop looking for me.

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what it is.

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 3>Natasha died because she believed that Clint could be a

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<v Speaker 3>better person and he had this family and he could

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 3>forget the Ronan And he basically put the Ronan suit

0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 3>back on and went and threatened a twenty year old

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 3>or twenty five and threatened some young girl who's just

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 3>in this really same position that he was in and

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 3>that Natasha was in. And he used the thing that

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 3>he was meant to be kind of forgetting. And I

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.880
<v Speaker 3>think that that would be my guess of what he

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 3>was kind of emotionally trying to connect to.

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic episode Man. Ever since episode three, Hawkeye has really

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<v Speaker 2>just gone up, up, up and up.

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 3>The action stuff with Maya and the way that they

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.400
<v Speaker 3>the way they've built in a Lac was prosthetic as

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 3>a way for her to always be able to kick

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 3>the shit out of Clint, and this time he hits

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 3>her with that sword. It just hits that prosthetic boom.

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Is like my favorite thing. I just the action in

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 3>this show is just so cool and balancing that with

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 3>the emotional beats and the kind of these big reveals,

0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 3>like that Kingpin reveal is huge. It was, it was

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 3>really really big, but they just did it in such

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 3>a cool way.

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<v Speaker 2>Agreed, And so like, the question is where, And it's

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:53.440
<v Speaker 2>a similar question with another character that is in No

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.919
<v Speaker 2>Way Home, which we will talk about in the No

0:27:56.000 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Way Home segment. The question is where in Daredevil's arc

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 2>are we meeting him? So, you know, in the in

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 2>the Netflix series, he's the he's the kingpin of crime,

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 2>like he is the Dawn of New York. He's an

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 2>extremely powerful figure at the top of the food chain

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>of New York organized crime, not only organized crime but

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.879
<v Speaker 2>also like New York business interests. He is just like

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 2>well connected. Is that the kingpin that we are meeting

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>now or is this the kingpin that's just on his

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 2>rise and has not yet like beaten down and subdued

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the other organized crime families and kind of and turned

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:35.439
<v Speaker 2>them into his own family.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wonder where he is. What are your thoughts.

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 3>I think he's I think he's been at the top.

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 3>I think the Netflix stuff exists. I think people are

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 3>taken down, either by a different crime family or by Matt.

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 3>He got taken down some pegs, and he's on the

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 3>rise in a more like Hawky knows he's the big guy.

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Hawky's terrified of him. He's made his mark. He people

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:56.959
<v Speaker 1>know who he is.

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 3>But there's something that has and that means he's having

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 3>to make this comeback in a different way. It could

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 3>be the twist could be him and eleanor are doing

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 3>something legitimate together, because Kingpin has been legitimate at some points,

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 3>so that would be really scary because if he's coming

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 3>up as a political candidate, a mayor or candidate or something,

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 3>that could be something that would be really awful for

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 3>her to have to prove, yeah, there's this evil guy

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 3>and oh no, that's, you know, stand up member of

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 3>the community. But I think he's been big. I think

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Netflix deat of a show is still generally something that

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 3>we can look back to but he's making as he's

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 3>on his second rise to power.

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I like that.

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I will say that this is a very very very

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 2>minor detail from Spider Man No Way Home, but I

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 2>guess technically a spoiler, but I will say that. So

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 2>the Department of Damage Control, who's been around ever since

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, Spider Man Homecoming, is kind of a more

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 2>active entity now in the MCU and in the comics

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 2>at least, the Department of Damage Control, which dealt with,

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, salvage work and construction work in the wake

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 2>of these superhero battles in which they go in. They'd

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 2>salvage alien materials, alien weapons, and also like fix any

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 2>damage that had been done. Was a business partnership between

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>public and private interest. So it was like part government,

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 2>part private, but the private part was a partnership between

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Wilson Fisk, Wilson Fisk's legitimate business arm, and Tony Stark.

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 2>So I do wonder if I wonder if the Kingpin is,

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 2>to your point, in his second rise, has more of

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 2>these kind of like legitimate arms and his like with

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>damage control and then with his more crime related stuff.

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>It's just like a lot more under the surface now.

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 2>It's very very interesting. I can't wait to see what

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 2>happens in episode six. Any predictions quickly?

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 3>I think we're going to get a very very brief

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 3>reference to the big final battle and Spider Man.

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Some kind of TV news report. Oh the the Statue

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>of Liberty is broken or something. But that's it. But

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I think we will get it.

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Whoo up next Spider Man No Way Home.

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, folks, this is it.

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 2>We are stepping out of the airlock to talk about

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man No Way Home and to recap this really

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>amazing movie.

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Rosie, are you ready? I'm ready, I was born ready.

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>This is the moment. This is it. We did it,

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>so we opened.

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 2>No Way Home opens, and it opens right after the

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 2>events of Spider Man Far from Home and Peter Parker's

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 2>life is an absolute mess. Mysterios reveal of Spider Man's

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 2>identity has turned Pete's daily existence into a zoo. He has,

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>of course, framed Peter for his and this has been

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 2>very effective. The DODC, the Department of Damage Control headed

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>up by Stewie from succession, is currently investigating Pete for

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 2>numerous federal crimes. Aunt May is being threatened with charges

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>of ret close engagement of a child, Happy, MJ, and

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Ned are all being investigated as Peter's accessories. May has

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>to hire a lawyer, and she goes out and hires

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 2>the best lawyer that she can afford, and it's a

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 2>blind lawyer by the name of Matthew Murdoch. We called it,

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 2>we called it, we called it incredible moment.

0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 1>They do such a good job. Like he's sitting at

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 1>the table and you know.

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 3>He says to p Oh, the charge is not going

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 3>to stick, but now you've got to deal with a

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 3>court of public opinion. Bom, A brick comes through the

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 3>window and on the brick it says we believe mysterio.

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 3>And Matt catches it and he said, goes, how did

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 3>you do that? And he said, I'm a really good lawyer.

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 2>It is amazing this film. I tweeted that this film

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 2>has like endgame levels of wow they pulled it off.

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Part of that is, you know, this was like this was.

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 2>A screening for press and various people like that, but

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>it had that like Marvel movie feel of everybody just.

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Be like, oh shit, yeah.

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 2>And one of the I absolutely legitimately screamed oh shit.

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 2>When Aunt May and Peter are meeting with their lawyer,

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, you know, you see them

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 2>in a two shot, and then they asked the lawyer

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 2>a question, and then the next shot as the camera

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 2>zooms back, is like him holding a cane, and I

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>was just like, oh shit, they're doing it.

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 1>It's Matthew Murdoch. We love it.

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>So mysterios framing of Peter Parker has effectively split public opinion.

0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Most people, including our friends at Midtownheimster, Harrington, and Julius,

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 2>consider Peter a hero for his efforts in the battle

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 2>against Thanos, saving the world and saving the lives of

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 2>half the beings in the whole fucking universe. But a

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:21.840
<v Speaker 2>sizable minority encompassing you know, conspiracy theorists and the various

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 2>people who watch daily Bugle content, which of which there

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 2>is a large overlap, believe Peter is a terrorist who

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:34.359
<v Speaker 2>murdered the courageous interdimensional superhero with Stereo with stolen Stark Tech.

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Because of this, Peter and May are forced to leave

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:43.279
<v Speaker 2>their home and DeCamp to Happis Queen's condo, where we

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>are reunited with our friend the robot arm Dummy.

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh I love that guy.

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I love Dummy Peter, MJ, and Ned all apply to

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 2>the same colleges. They have the same primary college mit

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:59.399
<v Speaker 2>in the same various backups. When Ned and MJ are

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>denied all of their choices basically and are told the

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 2>reason is specifically they're link to Spider Man, Peter feels, okay,

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>I gotta do something, so he goes to visit his friend,

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:15.320
<v Speaker 2>doctor Strange in the Sanctum Sanctorum. Well, colleague, right, not friend,

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 2>clearly not friend. Yet they're colleagues. They are brothers in arms.

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 1>So to say, save the wild, but they don't know

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>they yeah.

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:26.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, like they're they saved the world together.

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>And then and then they went their separate ways.

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 2>At the Sanctum, we see that a blizzard has recently

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 2>run through because of an unsecured portal to Siberia or

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:36.439
<v Speaker 2>something like that.

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 1>We learn that.

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Much too much to Stranger's chagrin, Wong is actually the

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Sorcerer Supreme.

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 1>So that is the right choice. The drop was so perfect.

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:54.799
<v Speaker 2>Stephens and I lom so angry about it. He's like,

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 2>it's actually it's a tenntality. Actually because I blipped out

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 2>for five Yes, you weren't around for five years. You

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 2>weren't around and Earth needed a sorcers regream, So it's

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 2>gotta be Wong who is here. Uh yeah, I love

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 2>that he calls it a technicality. I will say this.

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Does it feel?

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Of course? Wang is always hurting for cash.

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Remember the scene in Infinity War where he's like, I

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 2>need you to buy me a sandwich and coffee. Like

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Wong is always like, I don't have hard currency. That said,

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 2>it feels a little bit below the dignity of the

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Sorcerer Supreme for Wong to be taking part in like

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:34.840
<v Speaker 2>illegal superhero fights for cash, as we saw in Shane.

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 3>Think about Stephen, all the things that Stephen Strange did.

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.320
<v Speaker 3>He was such a shady guy to become the Sorcerer Supreme.

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 3>He's like stealing shit.

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely he's there.

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 3>He was just a bad guy. So I'm like, you

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 3>know what, Wong, He's just up front of by it.

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I'm gonna do a little bit of an

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 3>illegal side. He's like I'm gonna do a He's like,

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm training abomination for some and maybe he's gonna be

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:58.319
<v Speaker 3>a suck Avengers, So why not just make a little

0:36:58.320 --> 0:36:58.879
<v Speaker 3>cash on the side.

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Because Steven's obviously giving him any money.

0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:05.840
<v Speaker 3>He's obviously not getting paid by the Sorcerer's Supreme, so

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, go for it wrong.

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Here's my take.

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Here's my take MCU, Defenders, Wong Abomination, maybe Doc Strange

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:16.360
<v Speaker 2>and some other weirdos.

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 3>I definitely think I think Defenders is happening now that

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 3>we've got this true Kevin Feige doesn't care about using

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:25.399
<v Speaker 3>stuff from the Marvel TV and he kind of doesn't

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 3>mind reimagining.

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I think Defenders is happening. It makes a lot of sense.

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 2>So, uh, Peter explains his issue to Strange. Everybody knows

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:38.880
<v Speaker 2>my identity. It really sucks now, and Strange with very

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 2>little persuading. I mean he kind of like briefly is

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 2>like can't you just deal with it? And then immediately

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 2>is like, fine, you know what, let's just alter reality.

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I can do that.

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:51.760
<v Speaker 3>He's like, yeah, we used this, We use this spell

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 3>all the time, Like sure it deals with unknown realities,

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 3>but like we've used it to forget like bad parties.

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>So let's just commortize remember that party and commotize that

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:00.879
<v Speaker 2>we had Wong.

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>And Wong's like no, and he's like see n't it.

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 2>And of course this this absolutely you know, comports with

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:13.720
<v Speaker 2>what we know about Stephen Strange, a guy who's rise

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 2>in the commartage like hierarchy, like depended you know, pretty

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 2>heavily on his stealing books that he shouldn't have been

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 2>reading and doing things he shouldn't have been doing the

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>great time. Yeah, just like egoist kind of shit that

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 2>doctor Strange is absolutely liable to do when he learns

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 2>of this, you know, obviously, like it's a serious issue,

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:40.359
<v Speaker 2>but like minor in the universal sense, problem that he

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 2>can solve by, you know, just like mind wiping the

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 2>entire population of Earth. Like he's like, you know what

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm in, let's do that, you know. But of course,

0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 2>like the difference between like mind wiping some folks in

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 2>comartage and this incident, you know what we're dealing with

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 2>now is like we're talking about like millions of people again.

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>So Strange gets to work and he's he's performing this

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 2>very very very complex, very very uh you know, precise

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.400
<v Speaker 2>and very powerful spell, and in the middle of it,

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Peter is like, oh, well, hold on, did you say

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 2>everybody's gonna forget about me? Can we make MJ kind

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 2>of needs to remember me? Because like we're like that's

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 2>my girlfriend. We're in a relationship right now, so like

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 2>can we do that? And Strange is like okay, fine,

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 2>but like no more. And then he's like okay, oh

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 2>oh a Ned Ned is my best friend. He's the

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 2>guy in the chair, like I need d too, And

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 2>then Strange it's still performing the spells like okay, but

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.240
<v Speaker 2>like no more, and then all of a sudden, it's

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 2>also anime, and then it's also happy.

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 1>And then happy is the reason that the Maultivas explained,

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:39.720
<v Speaker 1>it's because you want to happy.

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.720
<v Speaker 2>And so Strange has to shut down the spell because

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 2>the multiverse is it He's about to like warp reality

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:47.799
<v Speaker 2>in a way that he's like, actually, not sure what's

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna do. So he captures the spell like in this

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 2>amber geodesic shape, and he's like, Peter, get out of here.

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 2>He realizes Peter. Also let's drop that he didn't call

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 2>am I. He didn't like call admissions or anything. He

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 2>just immediately was like, oh, doctor Strange can help, but

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 2>like warping reality. And so then doctor Strange is like,

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 2>you didn't even call, like get out of here? How

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 2>dare you, sir? Get out of my sanctum? And he

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:18.839
<v Speaker 2>kicks Peter out. Peter calls Flash Thompson. Now Thompson did

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 2>get accepted to MIT, and in recent days he has

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 2>been branding himself as Peter's official best friend. He even,

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:28.479
<v Speaker 2>like Speed, published a novel to that effect, Flashpoint, which

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 2>is a very good BC. I thought that was so funny.

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 1>That was really really funny.

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Again another story, Flashpoint, another story about multiversal craziness, so

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 2>very funny. Flash tells him that, hey, the Mi T

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.200
<v Speaker 2>admissions person was here in New York at this MIT

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 2>party for people in the New York area who'd been

0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 2>accepted MIT. But they're currently getting back on a plane.

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you can catch them. So Pete swings across town,

0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 2>finds the MIT person's car on the Queensboro Bridge on

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the Queensboro Bridge night and is about to pitch Ned

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and MJ getting into MIT when bomb bomb bomb Doctor

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Octopus strikes Hello, Peter, Now Pete.

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:13.959
<v Speaker 1>A really fun action scene fight.

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Pete manages to neutralize a doc OC because the stark

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 2>nanoparticles of his suit get into Doc's tentacles, and he

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 2>manages to hack it and basically bluetooth Parrot to his

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:30.239
<v Speaker 2>own suit and he takes control of it. Pete talks

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:32.959
<v Speaker 2>to the admissions person and she's like, Wow, you're a hero.

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:34.919
<v Speaker 2>You saved all the people on this bridge. I'm gonna

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 2>talk to MIT admissions and I'm gonna put a good

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 2>word in, maybe even for you too. Maybe you're all

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:42.840
<v Speaker 2>going to MIT's been great. Just then a pumpkin bomb

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 2>hits the pavement and we hear that William default laugh

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 2>and here comes the Green Goblin. Octavia says, Norman, is

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:54.320
<v Speaker 2>that you, And just as another fight is about to

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 2>break out, Strange portals everybody to the Sanctum and everybody's safe.

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Back at Sanctum, where doctor Octopus is now like in

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 2>a little holding cell, Strange lays out the problem.

0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, here's what happened, Pete.

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 2>Instead of erasing everybody who had a memory of Peter

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Parker as Spider Man, you're, you know, messing around, caused

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 2>everyone who knows who is Spider Man to come to

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 2>this universe. So that includes a bunch of Spider Man's villains.

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.320
<v Speaker 2>And so Spider Man, I'm giving you a job.

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:26.959
<v Speaker 1>One.

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Here is this magic Golden Goop gauntlet that when you

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:36.160
<v Speaker 2>spray multiversal variance with it, it transports them here to my

0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 2>holding cells and two find all of these uh you know,

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 2>trespassers in our dimension and capture them so we can

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 2>send them home. It's basically that it's the Pokemon doctrine.

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:52.840
<v Speaker 2>You got to catch them all. And Peter's like, Peter's like, okay,

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll do it, but I have my team. It's got

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 2>to be Ned and MJ helping me, and doctor She's

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:00.759
<v Speaker 2>like whatever, just go fucking do it.

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 1>So they go do it.

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 2>And Peter goes and tracks down Sandman Electro and it

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:10.960
<v Speaker 2>goes pretty well at first. He manages to put them

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:15.359
<v Speaker 2>in their little holding cells, but then Norman Osborne, who

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>had I guess managed to rest control of his fractured

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.919
<v Speaker 2>Psyche from the Green Goblin, wanders into May's community Center

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Feast in search of aid. And moved by Norman's vulnerability

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 2>and his clear distress and by May's generosity and saying,

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 2>we got to help this guy, Peter brings Norman to

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 2>the Sanctum not as a prisoner, and he's got all

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:42.960
<v Speaker 2>these new ideas, this new approach that's he's considering, and

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 2>it's something like this, shouldn't we do something more for

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 2>them right then? Just like send them back blind into

0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:51.319
<v Speaker 2>their dimension, considering the fact that they're here is like

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 2>our fault. We did this, right, It's kind of our fault,

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 2>like doctor strangeond we do this. Doctor Strange, you know,

0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 2>MUCKs around with stuff all the time, and he is

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:05.240
<v Speaker 2>not really he's not a fan of this new approach.

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.440
<v Speaker 2>His thing is like, they don't belong here. We should

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.799
<v Speaker 2>just send him back, right, let's just send it back.

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 2>What do we even? What are we talking about? And

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.400
<v Speaker 2>then Octavius is like, well, guess what actually, like Norman

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:17.359
<v Speaker 2>dies like when you send it back, like a lot

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 2>of it. And then our interdimensional trespassers all figure out

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.279
<v Speaker 2>that oh, actually we all, we all kind of do die.

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Literally the moment, the moment that they're plucked is the

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:29.720
<v Speaker 3>moment that they were about to die.

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.120
<v Speaker 2>I should mention that doctor Strange, off camera, had already

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.799
<v Speaker 2>captured Doctor Connor as the Lizard, so he's already in

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 2>a holding cell when he, you know, is taken back

0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.960
<v Speaker 2>to the sanctum after the fight with doctor Ocubus. So

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man is like, you know what, we can't do this.

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't agree that we should just send them back.

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:50.359
<v Speaker 2>We should try and help them. Doctor Strange has now

0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.279
<v Speaker 2>a cube that he's put the captured spell in, and

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>if you just press a button, they all go back

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 2>like immediately, everybody just goes back, and Peter's like, give

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 2>me that steals a cube, and now a chase ensues.

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:04.760
<v Speaker 1>A Strange knocks.

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Peter out of his body into the astral plane, much

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:13.239
<v Speaker 2>like happens to Hulk in an endgame, but in a

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 2>really cool kind of like expansion of Spider Man's Spider

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:22.240
<v Speaker 2>Sense lore. He can't take the cube from Spider Man's

0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:25.959
<v Speaker 2>inert body because Spidey Sense is still active and won't

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>let him take it, which is really cool. I thought, yeah,

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:29.879
<v Speaker 2>it's really rad.

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:32.440
<v Speaker 3>And then also like there's a hint at kind of

0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:35.720
<v Speaker 3>Peter's innate powers because he just swims his his konji,

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 3>his consciousness just swims back into his spider body and.

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 1>He's like peace out.

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 3>So it's not even just like the Spider Sense is

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.839
<v Speaker 3>so cool, but it's also like there's something about Peter

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.760
<v Speaker 3>whare he is a good something more, there's something more,

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:53.319
<v Speaker 3>And then that kind of translates to Strange puts him

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 3>in that mirror dimension, which Strange think, He's like.

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Here, I'm all power. I have home court advantage, I

0:45:58.960 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 1>mean control.

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:03.400
<v Speaker 3>And then Peter realizes that the mirror dimension is oldest geography,

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 3>and he's like, oh, I'm really good at the geometry. Yeah,

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I'm really good at this, I'm really good

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:09.640
<v Speaker 3>at maths, like I can do this.

0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 1>And he and he webs him up.

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:16.320
<v Speaker 2>It's perfect, you know, like you would think, oh, strange

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:18.400
<v Speaker 2>in the mirror to mension, this is home court advantage.

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Ha ha ha has.

0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 2>As wise comics readers, Rosy and I would note true

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 2>home court advantage is whose comic slash movie is it.

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 2>It's spider Man's movie, motherfucker. So of course spider Man

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 2>beats Doctor Strange. Now Here is where we should say

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 2>spider Man is a hero. But you know, heroism should

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 2>be tempered with reasonable caution. But Peter, as doctor Strange

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 2>notes all throughout the movie, is still just a kid.

0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:52.879
<v Speaker 2>And so Peter's decision is, I'm gonna take some of

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:59.520
<v Speaker 2>my most iconic super villains Norman Osborne, Electro Sandman, and

0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Octopus back to Happy's condo to hang out with

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 2>it at May so we can all science away that

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 2>allows them to go back to their dimensions safely. Peter

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 2>makes a replacement ship for ox Tentacle rig which filters

0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 2>out the influence of the tentacles from doctor Octopus's mind.

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:20.920
<v Speaker 2>It goes great. Now all of a sudden, Octavius is

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:26.680
<v Speaker 2>just like his regular old, brilliant, non evil self. This

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 2>is all going great. And as they're working on an

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 2>anti serum antidote for Green Goblin, guess what, Peter Spidey

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 2>sense goes off and it turns out that at some

0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 2>point Goblin had gotten control of Norman Osborne's body, but

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 2>has been like kind of laying low waiting for his

0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:47.839
<v Speaker 2>time to strike. But guess what his time to strike

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 2>is now? Big fight breaks out. Electro Lizard and Sandman

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and Octavius all flee the scene. Norman is just insanely powerful.

0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:01.400
<v Speaker 2>He pummels Peter all through the condo buildings, down through

0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:03.840
<v Speaker 2>the floors of the building into the lobby.

0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:06.399
<v Speaker 1>It's a great action scene. Yeah, what's a good web action?

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:09.719
<v Speaker 3>There's like, what's a good flipping And it's really really great,

0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:12.240
<v Speaker 3>very brutal actually personally.

0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Very very brutal, awesome Spider Man versus the Green Goblin fight.

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:21.840
<v Speaker 2>May courageously is about to defend her nephew when Goblin

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 2>remote Pilots has sled into May, which knocks her hard

0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 2>to the ground. He gets on his sled and flies off,

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:33.160
<v Speaker 2>flinging a pumpkin bomb like in his wake to destroy

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.919
<v Speaker 2>Peter and aunt May. Peter managed to shield May, and

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:40.800
<v Speaker 2>he realizes in this moment that like, look at this destruction.

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I was wrong. I should have just let Strange send

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:45.920
<v Speaker 2>them all back, even if it's to their death. That's

0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 2>none of our business. They don't belong here, They're in

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 2>the wrong dimension. Stranger's right. May May is like, no, no, no, no, no,

0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:57.760
<v Speaker 2>you're wrong. You have this gift, this is your responsibility

0:48:57.760 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 2>as the person who brought them here. And with great

0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:01.719
<v Speaker 2>power that you have, the great power that you have,

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 2>comes great responsibility.

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:06.080
<v Speaker 1>You have to help them. And this really hits Peter.

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden, as her as the

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 2>adrenaline from this crazy fight that she's witnessed fades, she

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:16.239
<v Speaker 2>collapses and were re realize that she's mortally wounded, much

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:20.280
<v Speaker 2>more seriously injured than we thought, and heartbreakingly she passes.

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:24.880
<v Speaker 2>She dies, She passes rip Aunt May, and her passing

0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 2>absolutely destroys Peter, just brings him to his absolute lowest

0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:33.680
<v Speaker 2>point that we've seen in mcuh it is it's just

0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 2>wildly heartbreaking, and we should add as an addendum to this,

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:45.440
<v Speaker 2>we called it. We called it that with you, called

0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:47.920
<v Speaker 2>that we were going to get in this movie, with

0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:49.920
<v Speaker 2>great power comes great responsibility.

0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:52.040
<v Speaker 3>And they did a really cool thing where we said,

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:53.680
<v Speaker 3>we said that we felt like it was going to

0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:56.360
<v Speaker 3>come from like Aunt May's perspective, and they did that

0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:58.120
<v Speaker 3>in a really dark way where it's aunt May who's

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 3>actually the one who says it, and they even you us.

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:04.640
<v Speaker 3>We talked last week about like the the comics accurate caption,

0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:07.319
<v Speaker 3>which is like, with great power, there must also come

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:09.759
<v Speaker 3>great responsibility, and that's what she says to him. She says,

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:12.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, with great power, that also comes great responsibility.

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 3>So it's even more accurate than we've seen before. And

0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:17.239
<v Speaker 3>it was just this it.

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:19.799
<v Speaker 1>Was so good, Like I was so good.

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:22.719
<v Speaker 3>I love Marissa, so I'm really sad about it, but

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:24.400
<v Speaker 3>like it was so good.

0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, for like a real tour de force acting wise,

0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:33.319
<v Speaker 2>because Tom and Marissa make you feel it here, you

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:39.240
<v Speaker 2>feel it you It is an incredibly earned and and

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:45.520
<v Speaker 2>emotional death scene and it, I mean, it really rocks you,

0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:48.400
<v Speaker 2>like there's part of the magic of this movie is

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:52.799
<v Speaker 2>obviously like it's an incredible wild adventure with multiple like

0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 2>multiversal characters all like smashing into the Marvel universe in

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:00.359
<v Speaker 2>this wild way. But also it's a really great did

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:05.959
<v Speaker 2>like character and relationship movie that really breaks your heart

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:06.919
<v Speaker 2>in a million different ways.

0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:11.279
<v Speaker 3>It's like it's really interestingly contained. Even this action is

0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:13.600
<v Speaker 3>like in the apartment building and then there's another big

0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:15.880
<v Speaker 3>action sequence we'll get to but like it's this really

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:18.120
<v Speaker 3>contained human drama, and I mean, I know we'll get

0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:21.360
<v Speaker 3>to it. But like Tom Holland is this is like

0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 3>a career best.

0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:22.880
<v Speaker 1>He crushes it.

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:27.040
<v Speaker 2>He he really crushes it in this He's so good if.

0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 1>He made you cry.

0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:32.239
<v Speaker 3>And in the Infinity War scene, you know, like mister

0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:33.719
<v Speaker 3>Stark like I don't want to go.

0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:35.600
<v Speaker 1>You know this is going to get you here for

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the whole movie.

0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:43.120
<v Speaker 2>The entire movie, because it really is like Peter's you know,

0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:49.879
<v Speaker 2>existential like anxiety and his his innate goodness, the fact

0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that he just doesn't want to affect other people, like

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:55.480
<v Speaker 2>he wants to be a superhero, but when it spills

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:59.759
<v Speaker 2>over into affecting his friends, it's it causes him to

0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:03.160
<v Speaker 2>act and obviously in that sense, like nobody has been

0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:04.759
<v Speaker 2>a bigger influence in his life than it may.

0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.560
<v Speaker 1>He loves her and this is just it wrecks him.

0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Ned and MJ that now the news of that is

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:14.360
<v Speaker 2>all over the place on TV everywhere.

0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:16.439
<v Speaker 1>Ned and MJ see this, and they know their friend

0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:16.960
<v Speaker 1>needs them.

0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:20.000
<v Speaker 2>So Ned had at some point, like during this doctor

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Strange fight, had Cad Stranges slingering. Strange, by the way,

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 2>is trapped in the mirror dimension at this time, and

0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Ned realizes suddenly that true to family lore, he can actually,

0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:36.359
<v Speaker 2>it seems, do magic stuff. And concentrating on their need

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:40.520
<v Speaker 2>to help their friend Peter, Ned says, I need to

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:43.600
<v Speaker 2>see my friend Peter. And he casts a portal and

0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:46.040
<v Speaker 2>it opens and they're Spider Man in an alley and

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man sees the portal and he waited. He's like what,

0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, Peter, come here, Peter, and Peter comes

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and he jumps through the portal and it's Andrew Garfield.

0:52:55.640 --> 0:53:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Crowd goes fucking why, I mean, theater goes. It absolutely

0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:04.120
<v Speaker 1>fucking explodes. I hope that.

0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:06.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you're listening to this, you've hopefully already

0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:09.760
<v Speaker 3>seen it. Yeah, if you're fit. It didn't have that reaction.

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:11.520
<v Speaker 3>Find the nearest theits.

0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:12.600
<v Speaker 1>You find, go see it again.

0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:15.880
<v Speaker 3>And busiest screen and go and see it because this

0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 3>is that movie. Like we see a lot of press

0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:21.000
<v Speaker 3>movies and like yes screenings, and there's ones where you

0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:23.040
<v Speaker 3>get those big reactions and there's one way you don't.

0:53:23.080 --> 0:53:25.560
<v Speaker 3>But that was like people are giving round of a pause.

0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:26.920
<v Speaker 3>There's like it's the Oscars.

0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:28.280
<v Speaker 1>People are like, yeah.

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:33.400
<v Speaker 2>When it when the portal opens and you see Spider

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Man in the suit turn around, and then it was

0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:38.279
<v Speaker 2>like that murmur of oh shit, this is it.

0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Cure it is, it's it. And then when he.

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Pulls off the mask, it's like, ah, it was great.

0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:46.040
<v Speaker 2>And then so they're like, Okay, this is weird.

0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Who are you? Are you really Peter Parker?

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:51.359
<v Speaker 2>They do this is really wonderful scene in which they

0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:53.920
<v Speaker 2>ask him to prove it by like crawling around, and

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:54.279
<v Speaker 2>he's like.

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Do I need a crawl around?

0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:56.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm already hanging from the ceiling. Do I need to

0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:59.319
<v Speaker 2>do all this stuff? And MJ's like bread rolls at him,

0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:02.480
<v Speaker 2>had to see if he does this like Peter Tingle,

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:06.200
<v Speaker 2>and if so, then they cast another portal Okay, let's

0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:07.000
<v Speaker 2>get let's try again.

0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 1>We got we gotta find Peter. He needs this. Let's

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.920
<v Speaker 1>do it. And who steps through but Tomy McGuire.

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Crowd goes wild again. Theater explodes again.

0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 1>He's he's wearing casual clothes. They haven't daged him.

0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:23.880
<v Speaker 3>This is like Uncle Peter, he's he's there, he wants

0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:27.879
<v Speaker 3>to help mcu Peter, he wants he feels like there's

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:28.920
<v Speaker 3>a Spider sense that.

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:32.359
<v Speaker 1>Means he knows, yes, that Peter needs him. And it's

0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:32.719
<v Speaker 1>just this.

0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:35.880
<v Speaker 3>I was so ready to go into this movie and

0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:37.480
<v Speaker 3>worry that it was going to be this kind of

0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:41.440
<v Speaker 3>cynical look what we own, but they did this so well.

0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:44.960
<v Speaker 3>I was like incredibly surprised by how well the Spider

0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Man's stuff works.

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:50.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, Garfield and McGuire, but particularly McGuire, they are older,

0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:55.239
<v Speaker 2>they're wiser, they are slightly damaged by their time as

0:54:55.600 --> 0:55:00.319
<v Speaker 2>clearly their adventuress as Spider Man has continued, like in

0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:02.799
<v Speaker 2>their reality past what we know in the movies. So

0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:06.800
<v Speaker 2>they are just different people and they are exactly the

0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:08.200
<v Speaker 2>perspective that Peter needs.

0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:08.440
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:13.200
<v Speaker 2>So MJ again, this was done so well, and the

0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 2>chemistry from the Spider Man, and the rest of the

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 2>cast is like incredible. It's just they nailed this, and

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:21.680
<v Speaker 2>they needed to nail it, and they killed it with this.

0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:24.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they let Toby gets to be this kind

0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:28.920
<v Speaker 3>of composed adult PM that he never was. Yes, and

0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:31.359
<v Speaker 3>we learned that he kind of still is with MJ

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:32.040
<v Speaker 3>in this way.

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:36.000
<v Speaker 1>And then Garfield has this like manic emo energy that's

0:55:36.080 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of this.

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:38.960
<v Speaker 3>It feels really true to the character we saw, but

0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:41.480
<v Speaker 3>it's also like a funny methatext.

0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:44.600
<v Speaker 1>On him being emo spider Man. Yeah, because he's like it.

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:48.879
<v Speaker 2>Increasingly, as we get to know Andrew Garfield, spider let's

0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:52.680
<v Speaker 2>call him a spider Man, spider Man three require spider

0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Man two, we realize that he feels a real sense

0:55:56.040 --> 0:55:59.239
<v Speaker 2>of inferiority as he realizes the stuff that the other

0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man has done. And in addition to you know,

0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the fact that his MJ died he wasn't able to

0:56:05.440 --> 0:56:08.640
<v Speaker 2>save her. There is a real hole in his heart

0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.160
<v Speaker 2>because of these things. He talks about it over the

0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:12.920
<v Speaker 2>course of the day, and he even as we get

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:16.320
<v Speaker 2>to know him, he's a more ragefull Spider Man because

0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:17.680
<v Speaker 2>he's hurt, he's wounded.

0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he even, like, you know, Jason mentioned my MJ.

0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:23.359
<v Speaker 3>That's actually what he references Gwen as, because he knows

0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:26.759
<v Speaker 3>that's how the other two Spider Man will relate to it, right, So,

0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:29.000
<v Speaker 3>and he says, yeah, he's kind of got that Spider

0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:31.799
<v Speaker 3>Man rain, like Dark Spider Man. He says, you know,

0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:33.399
<v Speaker 3>he became bitter, rage full.

0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:35.520
<v Speaker 2>He he's stopped pulling his punches.

0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:37.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he stopped pulling his punches, you know. So it's

0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:41.920
<v Speaker 3>really interesting to see them have so much fun with

0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:45.399
<v Speaker 3>these different iterations of Spider Man. And as the movie

0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:47.040
<v Speaker 3>goes on, I mean, they do a really good job

0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:51.319
<v Speaker 3>of bringing closure to these stories. So MJ and Ned

0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:55.879
<v Speaker 3>lead the Peters to their Peter. The Peters share their

0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:59.560
<v Speaker 3>story of Uncle Ben, who you know, our Peter Parker

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:02.520
<v Speaker 3>does not have, but who died in much the same

0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 3>way as Peter's aunt May and became this obviously catalytic

0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:14.560
<v Speaker 3>force that allowed the Peters to unlock the full power

0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:17.520
<v Speaker 3>of their heroism. And the two Peters tell Peter like this,

0:57:17.680 --> 0:57:19.600
<v Speaker 3>May died for a reason. It wasn't for no reason.

0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:21.920
<v Speaker 3>It's the same reason that our uncle Ben died. And

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:25.560
<v Speaker 3>so this this lifts Peter and the three Peters pick

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:29.640
<v Speaker 3>up where the original science mission picked off. They start

0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:33.439
<v Speaker 3>designing these devices that will allow them to depower each

0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:36.800
<v Speaker 3>of the interdimensional trespassers so they can send them safely

0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:39.480
<v Speaker 3>back to their dimension. Peter then sends a video to

0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:42.080
<v Speaker 3>the Daily Bugle in which he talks about, Yeah, I

0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:45.000
<v Speaker 3>did this. I brought these trespassers here and if they

0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:46.560
<v Speaker 3>want to find me, I'll be at the Statue of

0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:48.800
<v Speaker 3>Liberty of hanging out there, I'm waiting for it.

0:57:48.880 --> 0:57:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Yet this box.

0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and with the box that they don't want me

0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 2>to push the button because I will send them all back.

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I know they want to stay here.

0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:58.400
<v Speaker 2>So he's effectively lured them to the Statue of Liberty,

0:57:58.440 --> 0:58:01.840
<v Speaker 2>which by the way, has now been retrofitted with a

0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:02.840
<v Speaker 2>caps shield.

0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 1>A big fight ensues.

0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:08.280
<v Speaker 2>At the Statue of Liberty, and we get this wonderful

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:13.080
<v Speaker 2>character moment where Andrew, who has again felt insecure about

0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:14.840
<v Speaker 2>his role as Spider and compared to the other two

0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:18.200
<v Speaker 2>and who you know failed Gwen gets to save MJ

0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:23.160
<v Speaker 2>in this universe and man Garfield again we talk about

0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Tom Holland Garfield gives it to you, so he saves

0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:31.600
<v Speaker 2>so MJ falling off the scaffolding Peter Parker six one

0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:35.160
<v Speaker 2>six Peter Parker one gets tries to save her, but

0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:37.520
<v Speaker 2>gets hit out of the way by the Green Goblin,

0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and Garfield, recognizing again this mirror image of the thing

0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:46.720
<v Speaker 2>that happened in his universe, swings into action saves her life.

0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 2>And there's this moment where he's like, are you okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And when he realizes she is, he starts crying and

0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:55.640
<v Speaker 2>it is it got me, It got.

0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Me me too.

0:58:56.680 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 3>And then and Zendeia, who is just, by the way,

0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:01.880
<v Speaker 3>so amazing in this We haven't even really like given

0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:04.360
<v Speaker 3>her her problem, yes, but like she's so good. She's

0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:06.920
<v Speaker 3>so funny, she's so emotional, she's so heartfelt. She's bringing

0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:11.080
<v Speaker 3>that Emmy winner depth to this role. But like Andrew's

0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, he doesn't wear her this time. He catches

0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:15.160
<v Speaker 3>her in the arms because you learn his lesson, and

0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:17.480
<v Speaker 3>he's like are you okay? And he starts crying. And

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<v Speaker 3>then when he starts crying, she looks at him and

0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:20.520
<v Speaker 3>she's like, are you okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh dude, that was really that was the It was

0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:28.280
<v Speaker 3>one bearing up. It got me like in the chest.

0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:30.080
<v Speaker 3>Like Andrew is such.

0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:33.680
<v Speaker 1>A good actor. I mean it's like he's so.

0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Good in this and there's real I mean, this is

0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:38.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, this is the real magic of this movie.

0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:41.200
<v Speaker 2>This is a movie that ties up emotional loose ends

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<v Speaker 2>from previous Spider Man movies in a way that feels like.

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<v Speaker 1>Really really earned.

0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that is one of the just like the

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<v Speaker 2>big emotions.

0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:55.720
<v Speaker 3>That's actually definitely something that I think it does so

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<v Speaker 3>well that I wasn't expecting.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone gets to have their moment.

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<v Speaker 3>I think by this point, you know, Toby's pet has

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<v Speaker 3>already seen Doc off my dear boy. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>these like every Jamie and Andrew get to have that moment.

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<v Speaker 3>There's this there's this tying up of loose ends emotionally

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<v Speaker 3>and narratively that the wonder if he's never got to have.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really really wonderful and really magic.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the end of this big fight, Sandman has

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<v Speaker 2>been deepowered, Lizard has been deepowered, Electro has been deepowered.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the end it's Peter one Tom Holland versus

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<v Speaker 2>the Green Goblin. And you know, Peter is full of

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<v Speaker 2>anger and vengeance and he wants to enact that vengeance

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<v Speaker 2>on the Green Goblin who killed Aunt May and he

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<v Speaker 2>lifts the Green Goblins sled and he's about to mark

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<v Speaker 2>them with it when Toby Maguire Peter Too, stops him

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, hey, don't do this, Like I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>want you to do this. Remember what May said, I

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<v Speaker 2>just like talking Peter out of it. Green Goblin stabs

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<v Speaker 2>him in the backs Stoli in the back, uh and uh.

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<v Speaker 2>In that moment, Garfield swings down throws Peter One the antidote.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter One, De Goblin's Norman uh Strange then arrives and

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna send them back.

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<v Speaker 1>But now we've.

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<v Speaker 2>Got the issue of as he's about to send them

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<v Speaker 2>all back, there's now an infinite number of people throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the dimensions who know who Peter Parker is, and they

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<v Speaker 2>are coming crashing into this dimension and it's destroying reality.

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<v Speaker 2>And then this kind of like broken sky you see.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Craven, I saw a Scorpion. I couldn't make

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<v Speaker 2>out anybody else, but those were there.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like a bold headed person who, there's Rhino, there's

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<v Speaker 3>there's When that this comes out on Disney Plus or DVD,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll be able to pause it and see the outlines

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<v Speaker 3>of these characters. Because the truth is that when strangers

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<v Speaker 3>first messing up the spell, we see the outline of Lizard.

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<v Speaker 3>So they set up this idea that you can see

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<v Speaker 3>who these people might be. And obviously, as we know

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<v Speaker 3>from the comics, literally every single person in the call

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<v Speaker 3>makes knows Peter Parker Spider Man, so it could really

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<v Speaker 3>be anyone coming.

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<v Speaker 2>So Peter now realizes, Okay, this mistake, miscalculation that that

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<v Speaker 2>I made is now threatening to like actually destroy the world.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, run the original spell. Erase me from existence,

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<v Speaker 2>no caveats, Just erase me, erase everyone's memory.

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<v Speaker 1>That I ever get. Yeah, He's like, not even just

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Just people will forget that Peter Parker ever existed. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gone from everybody's memory. And Straining is like are you sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's at yeah, it gets a little sary. He's like, yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>do it. So strangers like, okay, it's gonna take me

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<v Speaker 2>like a minute and a half to run this spell.

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<v Speaker 2>Say goodbye to everybody now, So he says goodbye to

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<v Speaker 2>his his alternate egos, uh Peter. Two and three, he

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<v Speaker 2>says goodbye to Ned and he says, really tearful wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>goodbye that will again just really get you.

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<v Speaker 1>To MJ. They admit their love for each other.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those moments where you're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>watching it, I'm like, oh, their love will transcend this spell.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll remember, there'll be some kind of inkling about, like

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<v Speaker 2>she'll see him and there'll be some kind of spark

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<v Speaker 2>of recognition and it'll be there.

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<v Speaker 3>And my favorite part is like MJ's like, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to come find me. Yeah, And if you don't, I

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<v Speaker 3>will work it out. And if I work it out

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<v Speaker 3>before you and I find you in trouble, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>suck you up. Trouble is you need to find me

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<v Speaker 3>and tell me what happened. Strange casts the spell and

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<v Speaker 3>and it works. It absolutely works a rass everyone's memory

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<v Speaker 3>of Peter Parker. Peter goes to see MJ and there

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<v Speaker 3>is no spark of recognition. Ned is there.

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<v Speaker 2>Ned comes in. They got into m I t they're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it. Peter orders a coffee. He talks to

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<v Speaker 2>her a little bit. He's got a speech he prepared,

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<v Speaker 2>but in the end he can't. He decides, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>our love for each other is there. I love her,

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<v Speaker 2>but It's safer this way, isn't it. Their lives are happy,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's my time to be a hero. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got this great power. I need to take responsibility and

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<v Speaker 2>not bring everybody into my mess. And he decides, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very tough decision, you could tell. He decides

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<v Speaker 2>not to not to talk to MJ about their past.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes to May's grave and there he runs into Happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy also does not remember Peter, but he's obviously very

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<v Speaker 2>heartbroken for May. And so then Peter goes off. He

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<v Speaker 2>gets a little apartment that everyone who has ever read

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<v Speaker 2>a Spiderman comic will recognize.

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<v Speaker 1>With the Spider Man comics.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna get broke Peter in his tiny apartment now,

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<v Speaker 2>and he begins, you know, looking at police scanners looking

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<v Speaker 2>for crime in New York City, and it's time to

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<v Speaker 2>become the hero that he was always meant to be, truly,

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<v Speaker 2>And then we go to our stingers.

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<v Speaker 1>Stinger one. He wondered what happened at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>Let there be Carnridge? Where here it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Eddie Brock is sitting there drinking at a bar in Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to make sense of this entire superhero situation, like

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<v Speaker 2>he's in this new universe. There's a lot of superheroes here,

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<v Speaker 2>you say, And Danny from ted Lasso is his bartender, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and is explaining all.

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<v Speaker 1>This stuff to him.

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<v Speaker 2>And just when it comes time for Eddie Brock to

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<v Speaker 2>pay the bill, guess what Strange's spell sending all the

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<v Speaker 2>interdimensional trespassers back to their world kicks in and he disappears,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's gone, along with Venom.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gone back to their dimension. But oh, oh wait a.

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<v Speaker 2>Second, A small doll up of Venom attached to like

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<v Speaker 2>the Margarita glass, remains on the bar and twitches a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, so is still active. Yes, the cymbia is

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<v Speaker 2>in the The symbia is in the MCU Stinger two

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<v Speaker 2>just a full trailer for doctor Strange in the Multiverse

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<v Speaker 2>of Madness. And this is the first we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this after the movie. This is the first time

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<v Speaker 2>the end Stinger has been a full train since the

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<v Speaker 2>trailer for the Avengers in Captain America, the first Avenger.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was really before they'd established the mid credits

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<v Speaker 3>post credits as a classic thing. So the trailer was

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<v Speaker 3>more just like, oh, here's a trailer at the end,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, so it's really interesting to see them go

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<v Speaker 3>back to that and this was like, this is like.

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<v Speaker 2>A long trailer, a long, big trailer with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff in it.

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<v Speaker 1>You see America javes, America javes so much wonder You.

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<v Speaker 2>See Wander in her classic scarlet witch costume.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of stuff in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, is she and what man wondergll you see schumagoraf

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<v Speaker 3>ak what they're probably gonna call gag antos. We know now,

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<v Speaker 3>like it's a lot and I'm assuming that this weekend

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<v Speaker 3>or Monday they'll probably release it, yes, once people have.

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<v Speaker 1>Seen it in the theater and watched it.

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<v Speaker 3>But the kind of really funny implication about the Stinger

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<v Speaker 3>is there's a lot of stuff from that What If

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<v Speaker 3>episode four in there. But the funny implication is, so

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<v Speaker 3>nobody knows who Peter Barker is, which means probably no

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<v Speaker 3>one knows why doctor Strange did this spell that created

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<v Speaker 3>the multiverse so seemingly most of us have madness. Is

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<v Speaker 3>him basically having to deal with the fallout of doing

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<v Speaker 3>a spell for someone he doesn't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Because everyone's like, hey, why did you do the spell?

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Up next, More Spider Man. We are back with more

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<v Speaker 2>Spider Man, No Way Home. Now that we've recapped this that,

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<v Speaker 2>let's dive into some of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I loved this movie. I loved how.

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<v Speaker 2>Old fashioned comics it was, you know, like really old

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<v Speaker 2>fashioned comic book stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the most comics accurate Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, like the pure, almost hokey idea of heroism and

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<v Speaker 2>sacrifice and what that means, taking responsibility for your actions,

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<v Speaker 2>taking responsibility for super villains who have hurt you and

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<v Speaker 2>have hurt other people because it's your responsibility that they're here.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that is pure, pure Spider Man in the

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<v Speaker 2>most old fashioned, like original nineteen sixties depiction of Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, and it felt really good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very silver age, it's very there's these huge, sweeping

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<v Speaker 3>emotional moments, but there's also this legitimate, like funny comedy

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff with the Spider Man. They really are in

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<v Speaker 3>this humor that is so there with with Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always like he's broke, which they also play into

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<v Speaker 3>here which they haven't really done before, which is fun.

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<v Speaker 3>He's broke and he's also sad, but he's also like

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<v Speaker 3>a funny, nerdy dude who can make a joke or

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<v Speaker 3>do maths and beat doctor Strange. And this really I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't expecting this to be such a great Spider Man movie.

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<v Speaker 3>And I really think, like in my spoiler free review,

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<v Speaker 3>that was my biggest thing, is like I can't talk

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<v Speaker 3>about all the things that you want to know about,

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<v Speaker 3>but I can tell you that if you want to

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<v Speaker 3>see a really great Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie, you're not going to be disappointed.

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<v Speaker 2>If you love Spider Man, if you love Spider Man comics,

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<v Speaker 2>if you've ever liked a Spider Man movie, you'll fucking

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<v Speaker 2>love this movie at period, you will love it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>some questions, how does the spell erasing the memory of

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<v Speaker 2>Spider Man as Peter Parker, How does it work?

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<v Speaker 1>So I went back. This is kind of based on.

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<v Speaker 2>The one One More Day slash A Brand New Day

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<v Speaker 2>kind of paradigm. The first part of that is a

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<v Speaker 2>controversial for the time arc in which, in the wake

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<v Speaker 2>of Civil war, during which Peter had revealed his identity

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<v Speaker 2>to the world at Tony Stark's behest because he was

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<v Speaker 2>pro registration, his life becomes terrible. Kingpin orders a hit

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<v Speaker 2>on him at the bullet meant for him hits Aunt May.

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<v Speaker 1>He's at a crossroads.

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<v Speaker 2>He needs to erase his memory, so he makes a

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<v Speaker 2>deal with Mephisto erasing his memory that also erases like

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<v Speaker 2>the possibility that he and MJ would you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>basically erases their relationship and also like eliminates the future

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<v Speaker 2>daughter that they.

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<v Speaker 1>Were gonna have.

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<v Speaker 2>And then in the Brand New Day paradigm we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of see how that plays out. Yeah, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>think it'll work like this because all the evidence that

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Parker with Spider Man still exists, Like if people

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<v Speaker 2>mysterios videos still exists on the Daily Bugle hard drive somewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>like j J. Jamison might accidentally like run across and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, what the fuck is this? Similarly, MJ

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<v Speaker 2>and Ned could like go in their phone and see

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<v Speaker 2>all these pictures of them hanging out with their heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>The way it works in the comics is not only

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<v Speaker 2>is the memory erased, but if they are faced with, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Parker, who is this? They just kind of will

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<v Speaker 2>lose interest. So if someone shows Ned and MJ, here

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<v Speaker 2>is you hanging out with this guy Peter Parker, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>just be like, oh, that's interesting and then not.

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<v Speaker 1>Care about it. That's how it would work. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how it work.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a good call because like the ending

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<v Speaker 3>of the movie, which is so hour ful, where Peter

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<v Speaker 3>goes and sees MJ and they kind of there's a

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<v Speaker 3>there's a something like a conversation, a connection, but he

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<v Speaker 3>makes the choice that's very Brand New Day where she's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we knew each other in another life or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's never a there's no recollection of the deal.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think Brand New Day is obviously like

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<v Speaker 3>Dan Slot gets a thanks in the movie, so this

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<v Speaker 3>is obviously a big inspiration that ending. I was like, oh, yeah,

1:11:24.360 --> 1:11:26.000
<v Speaker 3>they're really doing it, like this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Pete on his own.

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<v Speaker 3>And also, so the really controversial thing about that was,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Peter and MJ married. The editors at the

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<v Speaker 3>time didn't allegedly didn't like Peter and MDA being married,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't like hens.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought it's stimy there stymy growth as a character.

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<v Speaker 3>And the wild thing is that these comics came out,

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<v Speaker 3>you know in the zeros, like Brand New Day was

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<v Speaker 3>like yeah, and Brand New Day came out in like

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and eight, and Mary Jane and Peter have

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<v Speaker 3>still never actually been clinically together properly after those comics.

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<v Speaker 3>So I love mj and Peter in the MCU, but

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that they're going to use this as

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<v Speaker 3>a space to introduce a Gwen Stacy or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>many of any of Peter's kind of many different love interests.

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<v Speaker 3>And it makes me sad because I feel like they

1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:22.639
<v Speaker 3>were so sweet together. But like in a weird way,

1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:25.040
<v Speaker 3>this movie is kind of something I think is really

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<v Speaker 3>cool about this movie.

1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:26.559
<v Speaker 1>I didn't expect.

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<v Speaker 3>We never got a Peter Parker MCU origin, which worked

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<v Speaker 3>really well at the time because you don't need it.

1:12:32.600 --> 1:12:34.720
<v Speaker 3>We've seen that origin a lot of times. Right, this

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<v Speaker 3>movie actually works as an origin. We leave him where

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<v Speaker 3>most Peter Parkers begin.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you mentioned that because it really is crazy. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>like when I say, like, I felt the same way

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<v Speaker 2>I felt about Endgame watching this movie, because it's like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a miracle structurally, like how they did it.

1:12:51.680 --> 1:12:56.000
<v Speaker 2>You're absolutely right, this is a Spider Man origin story

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<v Speaker 2>in the MCU in five movie, here's a third.

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So not only does he confirm that he was

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<v Speaker 3>bitten by a spider, which we never heard in the

1:13:06.280 --> 1:13:09.439
<v Speaker 3>MCU before. We also get there with great power moment

1:13:09.760 --> 1:13:12.280
<v Speaker 3>and we leave him. You know, he's in his broken

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<v Speaker 3>down apartment, he's got his ged book, he's not going

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<v Speaker 3>to college, and he makes his own suit and it's

1:13:17.520 --> 1:13:20.480
<v Speaker 3>this beautiful bright blue, bright red suit.

1:13:20.200 --> 1:13:22.759
<v Speaker 1>That he's sewed on a machine. So somehow this movie

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<v Speaker 1>ends up being an origin story. It's wild.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And the spell is such a smart way for

1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:30.720
<v Speaker 3>them to basically do what they in Ultimate Spider Man.

1:13:30.720 --> 1:13:33.720
<v Speaker 3>You know, Peter died and then you had Miles, but

1:13:33.760 --> 1:13:37.000
<v Speaker 3>then Peter came back. But MCU has always been more grounded,

1:13:37.040 --> 1:13:39.800
<v Speaker 3>even in this weird magical space. There's lots of good

1:13:39.840 --> 1:13:41.960
<v Speaker 3>magic jokes in this movie too, So I think this

1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:44.719
<v Speaker 3>is a really smart way of basically, you write Peter

1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Parker the person out now, and you can still have

1:13:48.160 --> 1:13:50.679
<v Speaker 3>Spider Man the figurehead, and then when you need Peter

1:13:50.800 --> 1:13:53.439
<v Speaker 3>to come back for that impactful moment, whether it's a

1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:56.639
<v Speaker 3>Miles moment or an MJ moment or whatever, he can

1:13:56.680 --> 1:13:59.559
<v Speaker 3>come back as Peter Parker. So okay, so I have

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<v Speaker 3>a question, who do you think still remembers pa Because

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that's probably one past.

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<v Speaker 2>There's gonna be one person, right, there's gonna be the

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<v Speaker 2>one magical, somehow person that remembers Peter. Okay, so this

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<v Speaker 2>dovetails into my one note. So there's a brief line

1:14:16.760 --> 1:14:20.599
<v Speaker 2>of exchange where strangers like, you fucked up my spell

1:14:20.920 --> 1:14:23.680
<v Speaker 2>five times, and then Peter is like, actually no, it's six, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>six times. Right, So Venom never actually comes into the action, right,

1:14:27.920 --> 1:14:29.799
<v Speaker 2>we only see him in the center, but he's clearly

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<v Speaker 2>the sixth So of course, like, how would Venom know

1:14:34.080 --> 1:14:37.080
<v Speaker 2>about Peter Parker? It's probably because of HiveMind. The hive

1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:41.800
<v Speaker 2>mind allows the parasite to have the memories of all

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<v Speaker 2>the other like bits of parasite that are across the universe.

1:14:44.600 --> 1:14:47.720
<v Speaker 2>And like in Spider Man three, that parasite knew that

1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Peter Parker was YadA, YadA, YadA.

1:14:49.920 --> 1:14:50.720
<v Speaker 1>That's how they came.

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<v Speaker 2>So Strange banishes all the trespassers, But this dollop of

1:14:55.800 --> 1:14:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Venom stays behind. Now does it make sense that you

1:15:00.080 --> 1:15:01.800
<v Speaker 2>because it's magic, so.

1:15:01.840 --> 1:15:03.479
<v Speaker 1>You can't really evade it.

1:15:03.479 --> 1:15:06.160
<v Speaker 2>It theoretically doesn't make sense that this drop of venom

1:15:06.320 --> 1:15:10.720
<v Speaker 2>remained behind. But what if this venom is the one

1:15:10.720 --> 1:15:13.639
<v Speaker 2>that remembers like like why would it stay? Yes, if

1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:17.759
<v Speaker 2>it if it binged to evade this part of the magic,

1:15:17.800 --> 1:15:21.200
<v Speaker 2>the magic that banished all the trespassers, then potentially it

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<v Speaker 2>evaded the magic that erased the memory of Peter Parker

1:15:24.640 --> 1:15:25.040
<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>That's actually really true because technically Eddie Brook should have

1:15:28.439 --> 1:15:30.800
<v Speaker 3>been able to stay and the venom should have had

1:15:30.880 --> 1:15:32.960
<v Speaker 3>to leave because the venom was the thing that knew

1:15:32.960 --> 1:15:35.120
<v Speaker 3>Peter Parker. But if it evaded this magic, maybe because

1:15:35.160 --> 1:15:38.400
<v Speaker 3>it was disconnected from the sentient body or whatever. So

1:15:38.439 --> 1:15:41.280
<v Speaker 3>the magic that's really smart because we talked a lot

1:15:41.320 --> 1:15:43.960
<v Speaker 3>about this, like off the movie and stuff. Obviously, what

1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:46.919
<v Speaker 3>Kevin Faigi wanted from Sony was the was the symb.

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<v Speaker 1>You called.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, there's another thing that you called is like that

1:15:54.400 --> 1:15:56.800
<v Speaker 2>said Tom Hardy back to the Sony.

1:15:56.479 --> 1:16:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Ratting him in these movies, Dude, I love that. Tom

1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Hardy was like, fine, you're not gonna let me in

1:16:02.640 --> 1:16:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the movie. I'm gonna venom so hard.

1:16:04.280 --> 1:16:07.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm actually gonna venom harder in this segment than I

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<v Speaker 3>venomed even in both.

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<v Speaker 1>In the.

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<v Speaker 3>Incredible he's saying he's calling Tony Stark a tin man

1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:20.639
<v Speaker 3>he's dismissing the bartender, he's dismissing his his family getting blipped.

1:16:20.640 --> 1:16:22.920
<v Speaker 3>He's like, aliens don't care about stones, they just want

1:16:22.920 --> 1:16:25.360
<v Speaker 3>to eat braids. Like he's going hard. But I think

1:16:25.400 --> 1:16:27.920
<v Speaker 3>you're onto something because imagine. I think the reason they

1:16:27.920 --> 1:16:30.519
<v Speaker 3>want the symbia is they could do a Tom Holland

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<v Speaker 3>Venom kind of a black suit Spider Man thing, especially

1:16:35.360 --> 1:16:37.000
<v Speaker 3>now he's by himself. But I think that that's a

1:16:37.040 --> 1:16:40.160
<v Speaker 3>bit I think it's a bit too close to what

1:16:40.200 --> 1:16:43.640
<v Speaker 3>they've been doing already with Venom. But if the Venom

1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:47.920
<v Speaker 3>symbia venomizes other characters, which is very popular in the

1:16:47.960 --> 1:16:51.280
<v Speaker 3>comics and has been a really good marketing tool. Marvel

1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:53.719
<v Speaker 3>sells a lot of pops that are venomized figures and stuff.

1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:57.760
<v Speaker 3>Imagine if the Venom, whoever gets venomized, can remember Peter

1:16:57.840 --> 1:17:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Parker while they are venomized, and that they could want

1:17:00.800 --> 1:17:03.760
<v Speaker 3>to hunt down Pizza Paka, they could do also Again,

1:17:03.800 --> 1:17:04.559
<v Speaker 3>this is so dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, we don't know if he's still

1:17:06.680 --> 1:17:07.519
<v Speaker 1>going to be Peter Parker.

1:17:07.600 --> 1:17:09.760
<v Speaker 3>I could see them like making it where his new

1:17:09.840 --> 1:17:12.120
<v Speaker 3>name is like Ben Riley, Ben Ryle.

1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:14.519
<v Speaker 1>And they do it that way, so he's not a clone,

1:17:14.640 --> 1:17:16.040
<v Speaker 1>but that's like his new.

1:17:16.080 --> 1:17:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Right so for those so for those who are not

1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:22.519
<v Speaker 2>a deep comic readers of Spider Man, Ben and never

1:17:23.560 --> 1:17:28.080
<v Speaker 2>clone saga, Ben Riley is the controversial for the time

1:17:28.160 --> 1:17:30.639
<v Speaker 2>clone of Spider Man who died and then came back

1:17:30.680 --> 1:17:32.439
<v Speaker 2>and is currently Spider Man right now in the com

1:17:33.360 --> 1:17:37.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, read Cody Zigler's issue of the current Spider

1:17:37.520 --> 1:17:39.479
<v Speaker 2>Man arc in which Ben Riley is Spider Man. Anyway,

1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:43.320
<v Speaker 2>another thing we called that I guess we should talk

1:17:43.320 --> 1:17:47.920
<v Speaker 2>about because there is Hawkeye is ongoing right now. Is

1:17:48.160 --> 1:17:50.840
<v Speaker 2>you called Matt Murdoch in this movie. I wasn't sure,

1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:54.800
<v Speaker 2>but I called that. If he was, it's gonna be

1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Matt Murdoch from this dimension, no multidimensional Matt Murdoch, because again,

1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:01.400
<v Speaker 2>his law degree would need to work in this world,

1:18:01.439 --> 1:18:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and indeed it does need to work, because he is

1:18:04.760 --> 1:18:08.920
<v Speaker 2>May Parker and Peter Parker's lawyer, although no longer because

1:18:08.920 --> 1:18:11.519
<v Speaker 2>now he doesn't remember who they are, but he did.

1:18:11.680 --> 1:18:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I think they did a really good.

1:18:12.840 --> 1:18:16.479
<v Speaker 3>Job seeding, he tells happy like he says, I thought

1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:18.120
<v Speaker 3>this was really funny and good as well. Where the

1:18:18.160 --> 1:18:20.479
<v Speaker 3>case is not going to stick against Peter, but happy

1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:22.840
<v Speaker 3>as like a representative Stark Tech. He needs a good

1:18:22.920 --> 1:18:25.599
<v Speaker 3>lawyer because you are the adult. You're giving this child

1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:30.000
<v Speaker 3>drones like please pay for your sins. So I think

1:18:30.040 --> 1:18:33.280
<v Speaker 3>we could see Matt like as happy as lawyer. But

1:18:33.360 --> 1:18:36.200
<v Speaker 3>really we know that the big the dead evil connections

1:18:36.240 --> 1:18:37.920
<v Speaker 3>are going to be in the TV shows. It's going

1:18:37.960 --> 1:18:41.679
<v Speaker 3>to be Echo, It's going to be Hawkeye, Kingpin, shea

1:18:41.720 --> 1:18:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Hawk definitely shee howk The law connections there with Matt

1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:48.200
<v Speaker 3>are going to be so clear. I couldn't see how

1:18:48.200 --> 1:18:50.599
<v Speaker 3>they were going to do this just because of tonally

1:18:50.600 --> 1:18:53.599
<v Speaker 3>how different it was. But as soon as Charlie Cox

1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:55.439
<v Speaker 3>was on that screen, I was like, how did this

1:18:55.560 --> 1:18:56.479
<v Speaker 3>not happen sooner?

1:18:56.479 --> 1:18:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Because he just was beautiful in it.

1:18:59.040 --> 1:19:01.720
<v Speaker 3>It was wonderful and they really went for that, like

1:19:02.479 --> 1:19:05.639
<v Speaker 3>you know that recent that Charles soul Dead Evil Roun

1:19:05.760 --> 1:19:09.160
<v Speaker 3>who everyone really loved and like his the tiny little

1:19:09.200 --> 1:19:12.800
<v Speaker 3>red glasses that it just looked so he just fit

1:19:12.920 --> 1:19:16.040
<v Speaker 3>in so well and it just made me very excited.

1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:19.760
<v Speaker 2>It was legitimately two minutes and it was wonderful. Now

1:19:19.800 --> 1:19:25.720
<v Speaker 2>here's my question. We're in the Daredevil Netflix lore is

1:19:25.760 --> 1:19:28.519
<v Speaker 2>this taking place because I would contend that while he's

1:19:28.560 --> 1:19:32.160
<v Speaker 2>probably doing Daredevil shit at this time, it's not like

1:19:32.320 --> 1:19:34.320
<v Speaker 2>all the way through the seasons, because if this is

1:19:34.479 --> 1:19:38.400
<v Speaker 2>this is happening, we assume concurrently with hawkeyed is Christmas season.

1:19:38.439 --> 1:19:41.519
<v Speaker 2>We see the Rogers the musical billboard like up in

1:19:41.560 --> 1:19:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the city, So this is happening as Clint is like

1:19:45.280 --> 1:19:48.360
<v Speaker 2>and his family were in New York City attending the musical,

1:19:48.479 --> 1:19:50.559
<v Speaker 2>as Kate is going to the auction. All of that

1:19:50.560 --> 1:19:53.959
<v Speaker 2>stuff is happening at once, and the Kingpin is rising

1:19:54.000 --> 1:19:57.479
<v Speaker 2>through the ranks. We're unsure at this point, like how

1:19:57.520 --> 1:20:00.240
<v Speaker 2>powerful he actually is. Is he still just like kind

1:20:00.280 --> 1:20:02.759
<v Speaker 2>of the head of the track suits? Is he bigger

1:20:02.800 --> 1:20:04.720
<v Speaker 2>than that? Is he actually the kingpin of crime in

1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:09.080
<v Speaker 2>New York? Now, in the Daredevil series, Kingpin is established,

1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:11.920
<v Speaker 2>He's the guy, He's the dude. So I guess the

1:20:12.000 --> 1:20:15.720
<v Speaker 2>question is, like, where exactly is Matt in his Daredevil

1:20:15.960 --> 1:20:17.679
<v Speaker 2>arc at this time?

1:20:17.880 --> 1:20:22.400
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if I wonder if the easiest way for

1:20:22.439 --> 1:20:26.840
<v Speaker 3>them to do it is Kingpin was in prison like

1:20:26.880 --> 1:20:31.000
<v Speaker 3>he was in Daredevil, and king he is basically reclaiming

1:20:31.040 --> 1:20:33.920
<v Speaker 3>his crown after being in prison, So he's on a

1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:35.640
<v Speaker 3>re rise, but the people.

1:20:35.400 --> 1:20:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Who know him know him, and my guess would.

1:20:38.080 --> 1:20:42.160
<v Speaker 3>Be from Matt just casually being able to just pro

1:20:42.280 --> 1:20:44.960
<v Speaker 3>bono work for May Even though there was obviously some

1:20:45.040 --> 1:20:47.760
<v Speaker 3>chemistry there, we also got some nice May doc Cop chemistry.

1:20:47.800 --> 1:20:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I was loving that ODP from.

1:20:49.800 --> 1:20:55.320
<v Speaker 3>The comics, but like, I kind of imagine that to me,

1:20:56.400 --> 1:21:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Matt thinks Kingpin is gone or is not on the rise,

1:21:01.280 --> 1:21:03.719
<v Speaker 3>and is able to lean a bit more into loyally

1:21:03.880 --> 1:21:08.559
<v Speaker 3>stuff and is kind of in this false safe space

1:21:08.640 --> 1:21:10.920
<v Speaker 3>of like, well, now I can focus on street level

1:21:10.960 --> 1:21:13.519
<v Speaker 3>stuff because Kingpin's not a threat.

1:21:13.680 --> 1:21:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Surprised that no Miles moraless.

1:21:16.200 --> 1:21:18.880
<v Speaker 3>In this, I was, And I actually I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>one of the few glaring flaws of the movie to

1:21:22.320 --> 1:21:25.800
<v Speaker 3>me is that I understand you made a really good

1:21:25.800 --> 1:21:28.000
<v Speaker 3>point before about them like wrapping. You know, they want

1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:30.080
<v Speaker 3>to wrap stuff up, like they want to wrap up

1:21:30.080 --> 1:21:32.240
<v Speaker 3>these old stories and stuff, which I think is really good.

1:21:32.240 --> 1:21:33.920
<v Speaker 3>But like, I do think people are going to be

1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:36.360
<v Speaker 3>really disappointed. I think it seems obvious.

1:21:36.479 --> 1:21:40.760
<v Speaker 2>There's a little mention Electro, Yeah, it'd be cool if

1:21:40.800 --> 1:21:41.760
<v Speaker 2>there is a black Spider Man.

1:21:41.840 --> 1:21:43.800
<v Speaker 3>He's like, there must be a black Spider Man in

1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:45.920
<v Speaker 3>some universe, and it is a good joke where he

1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:49.000
<v Speaker 3>basically says he thought that the Andrew Garth Spider Man

1:21:49.040 --> 1:21:49.920
<v Speaker 3>was black because like.

1:21:49.960 --> 1:21:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he helps, he helps people, he's from Queens.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was really cool, but I.

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<v Speaker 3>Personally was hoping for a bit more than a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like maybe the second post credits scene. But

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<v Speaker 3>I also do think we just got the reveal that

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<v Speaker 3>Across the Spider Us is going to be two part

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<v Speaker 3>are The first one was so transgressive and radical and

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<v Speaker 3>really changed things. I mean, without that movie, we probably

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<v Speaker 3>don't get this movie. Agreed that we got no way home,

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<v Speaker 3>so I understand why Sony might not be desperate to

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<v Speaker 3>throw Miles in at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>This movie did set up a New York where Miles

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<v Speaker 3>could exist without Peter Parker. We need a new street

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<v Speaker 3>level hero, but that could also be Kamala Khan, who

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<v Speaker 3>we know is will becoming very soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, final thoughts about this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Where does it stand in the Spider Man movie pantheon

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<v Speaker 2>and where do you have it in the MCU pantheon?

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<v Speaker 2>I think like clearly, as Phase four stands, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the movie of phase four. This is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>this is I put this in my top level of

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel movies. This was a great one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it's really I think it's definitely my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite Spider Man movie for me, Like why not just

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<v Speaker 3>go all out?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not? They?

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<v Speaker 3>They somehow managed to pull this off, And for me,

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<v Speaker 3>it has that balance that we talked about, the emotion,

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<v Speaker 3>the humor, the action, the drama that they almost like

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<v Speaker 3>the sincerity mixed with that occasional campiness of the many.

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<v Speaker 3>And also the other reason that it really feels like

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<v Speaker 3>Spider May movie is because of all the villains. That's

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<v Speaker 3>like a number one Spider Man story. That's why the

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<v Speaker 3>Sinister Six is such a thing, you know. So for me,

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<v Speaker 3>definitely my favorite Spider Man movie of all the movies,

1:23:31.880 --> 1:23:34.320
<v Speaker 3>even though I'm still Spider Man three Stan obviously love.

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<v Speaker 1>That terrible movie. This is Homecoming was my favorite before.

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<v Speaker 3>This is definitely my favorite now and it's yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>up there in that top five for me. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>this is like a I remember when thor Ragnarok came

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<v Speaker 3>out right and like just on a quality and tone level,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like whoa, Like this is so different, Like

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<v Speaker 3>this is not obviously a Tiger wy Tt movie or

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<v Speaker 3>a Ryan Coogler movie. It doesn't have the auteur aspect,

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<v Speaker 3>but tonally an impact wise, it feels like that to me,

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<v Speaker 3>like that next level that kind of adds something new

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<v Speaker 3>to the MCU.

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<v Speaker 2>What about you, I completely agree. I would have it

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<v Speaker 2>as my favorite Spider Man movie. I think it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best Marvel movies that they've done. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was the team up movie that Phase four needed.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just kind of like a magical bit of

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<v Speaker 2>comic book storytelling that, on the one hand, manages to

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<v Speaker 2>capture what people love about Spider Man that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>again that kind of almost hokey, old fashion, completely sincere

1:24:34.960 --> 1:24:38.599
<v Speaker 2>heroism in the most silver age, as you mentioned, sense

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<v Speaker 2>of a superhero who does good and doesn't kill anybody

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<v Speaker 2>and does their best, almost to the point of being

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculously idealistic with it, but in this way that felt

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<v Speaker 2>so earned and true to whom Peter Parker is as

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<v Speaker 2>a person in the things.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been through.

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<v Speaker 2>On top of that is this incredible, action packed, hilarious

1:24:58.560 --> 1:25:04.439
<v Speaker 2>adventure of riches that is just a kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a feast for action fans, for fans who love excitement,

1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:14.639
<v Speaker 2>but also like is so rewarding as fan service as

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<v Speaker 2>it no matter what your level of fandom is. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're a diehard Spider Man fan, there's Easter eggs in

1:25:21.479 --> 1:25:23.519
<v Speaker 2>here that will reward you. If you just love the

1:25:23.640 --> 1:25:25.800
<v Speaker 2>MCU Spider Man movies, there's Easter eggs in here that

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<v Speaker 2>reward you. If you loved all the Toby Reguire Andrew

1:25:27.920 --> 1:25:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Garfield stuff, there's Easter eggs that reward you. There's just

1:25:31.760 --> 1:25:36.040
<v Speaker 2>wonderful references all throughout, like even going so far inst

1:25:36.120 --> 1:25:41.080
<v Speaker 2>having William Devoue say with the exact look on his face,

1:25:41.240 --> 1:25:44.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm something of a scientist myself. Like, there's all these

1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>things in there that just reward you for paying attention.

1:25:48.360 --> 1:25:50.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you've got and there's everything from you get the

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<v Speaker 3>Easter eggs stuff, you know, on the bridge, the MIT admissions,

1:25:55.200 --> 1:25:58.519
<v Speaker 3>Lady Haka has ASM three, which is a big you know,

1:25:58.600 --> 1:26:01.360
<v Speaker 3>it's a big Dot coc issue, and then you get

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<v Speaker 3>dot cock on the bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got the little notes like that, but you also.

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<v Speaker 3>Get these really satisfying, juicy, emotional narrative endings for these characters.

1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:13.400
<v Speaker 3>Something that I really loved about this movie is like

1:26:13.800 --> 1:26:16.679
<v Speaker 3>Andrew Garfield Spider Man. There's a whole generation where that's

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<v Speaker 3>their spider Man, that's their first spider Man, and they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't get to see what happened to him after this

1:26:20.960 --> 1:26:23.599
<v Speaker 3>really you know, harsh moment. They got a sinister six nod,

1:26:23.600 --> 1:26:26.280
<v Speaker 3>but they never got it. And I love everything about

1:26:26.320 --> 1:26:28.280
<v Speaker 3>this movie, but I really love the idea that that

1:26:28.360 --> 1:26:31.559
<v Speaker 3>Andrew Garfield stands are gonna like finally get their moment

1:26:31.680 --> 1:26:32.880
<v Speaker 3>and get their ending.

1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>It is so satisfying. Absolutely loved it. I mean it

1:26:37.920 --> 1:26:40.880
<v Speaker 2>just they crushed it. If I hope that everyone here

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<v Speaker 2>got to see it in a good theater, as Rosie said,

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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't see it in a theater where people

1:26:45.400 --> 1:26:48.519
<v Speaker 2>were going crazy, go see it again with that theater.

1:26:48.600 --> 1:26:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Because we were lucky enough, even in a press screening,

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<v Speaker 2>to have a theater that was like ready to go

1:26:56.000 --> 1:27:00.280
<v Speaker 2>and just really really fun experience. They nailed it. Great job,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Feige and the whole team. Up next, nerd Out.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to nerd Out.

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<v Speaker 2>In our first listeners submitted nerd Out audience member Megan

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<v Speaker 2>Wright gives us her pitch for nineteen eighty seven's fantasy

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<v Speaker 2>called Classic Sword's Point by Ellen Kushner, which full disclosure,

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<v Speaker 2>I have listened to this nerd Out already and I

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<v Speaker 2>bought the book.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey Jason and the x Ray Vision Team.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Megan.

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<v Speaker 4>I live in Brooklyn, huge fan of the show and

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<v Speaker 4>my very niche likely not usable pitch for nerd Out

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<v Speaker 4>is Ellen Kushner's nineteen eighty seven books swords Point. It's

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<v Speaker 4>one of those books I can't believe everybody hasn't read like.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't believe it's not canonical. It's about a swordsman

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<v Speaker 4>named Richard living in a city that doesn't have a name,

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<v Speaker 4>mostly in this skid rowne called Riverside, his quote unquote

1:28:02.720 --> 1:28:08.720
<v Speaker 4>friend Alec, this degenerate university drop out with pretty dangerous

1:28:08.760 --> 1:28:14.320
<v Speaker 4>tastes and a mysterious backstory and a highly intricate political

1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:17.080
<v Speaker 4>plot that these two men get caught up in and

1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:20.280
<v Speaker 4>then shape to their own ends. And it would be

1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:23.320
<v Speaker 4>super campy except that it's really really concise. The whole

1:28:23.360 --> 1:28:26.439
<v Speaker 4>plot takes place in this one city over the course

1:28:26.479 --> 1:28:30.680
<v Speaker 4>of maybe a few months. The characters are just sumptuous.

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<v Speaker 4>There's this incredible duchess, and everyone is queer. Everyone in

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<v Speaker 4>this book that came out in nineteen eighty seven is

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<v Speaker 4>like super Hella, out of control gay and this was

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<v Speaker 4>and is very important to me. I found this book

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<v Speaker 4>at my public library because I was in middle school

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<v Speaker 4>and I was very into the girls with Swords genre,

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<v Speaker 4>most defined for me by Tamara Peers, and Sword's Point

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<v Speaker 4>has a sequel called The Privilege of the Sword, which

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<v Speaker 4>has young woman as its narrator. And I went to

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<v Speaker 4>the library to find that book at the recommendation of

1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:08.520
<v Speaker 4>someone on an internet forum. It's called Shiroscentral dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>The library didn't have the Privilege of the Sword, but

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<v Speaker 4>it was in those days where like if the library

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<v Speaker 4>didn't have what you were looking for, you just took

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<v Speaker 4>home whatever was next to it on the shelf.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I took Swords went home.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was not like super clearly aware of my

1:29:22.960 --> 1:29:24.200
<v Speaker 4>own queerness at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>I was maybe like eleven or twelve.

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<v Speaker 4>But when I realized that these two main characters, these

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<v Speaker 4>two men, were in love with each other, I put

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<v Speaker 4>down the book and I ran into the living room

1:29:34.640 --> 1:29:38.040
<v Speaker 4>and told my parents. I was so excited. It meant

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<v Speaker 4>so much to me, and it still means a lot

1:29:40.360 --> 1:29:44.160
<v Speaker 4>to me. That book just yeah, I reread it I

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<v Speaker 4>reread Sword's Point once every four years or so. I

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<v Speaker 4>wait until I've forgotten the plot because the twists are

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<v Speaker 4>really good, and so that I can be surprised by

1:29:53.920 --> 1:29:56.160
<v Speaker 4>it again, and then I make everybody else read it too.

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<v Speaker 4>I know I'm going really long on this pitch, and

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<v Speaker 4>I know the last quest I'm supposed to answer is

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<v Speaker 4>what's coming soon in this world that we can look

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<v Speaker 4>forward to? The answer is nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing coming.

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<v Speaker 4>There's just this singular, perfect, decades old diamond of a

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<v Speaker 4>book that you can read in a weekend and that

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<v Speaker 4>will sustain you forever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my pitch.

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<v Speaker 4>Read Sorts Point by Ellen Kushner. You guys are great,

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks so.

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<v Speaker 1>Much, Thanks Megan.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to be featured, send your nerd out

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<v Speaker 2>pitch to x Ray at Crooked dot com. Instructions in

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<v Speaker 2>the show notes up next to the Endgame.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello Peter, We're.

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<v Speaker 2>In the Endgame now, and today we're playing another round

1:30:46.640 --> 1:30:48.760
<v Speaker 2>of Assembly Required, in which Rosie and I will pick

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<v Speaker 2>our character or item from Spider and No Way Home

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<v Speaker 2>to successfully fulfill a randomly assigned mission.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris, what is our mission for today?

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<v Speaker 3>All?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>So the mission this week? Given that a few of

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<v Speaker 5>the characters in No Way Home. Jamie fox in particular,

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<v Speaker 5>got a lovely makeover, looking much better than the last

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<v Speaker 5>time we saw him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we talk about we didn't even talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>The incredible retcon of Jamie Foxx's character from a sexy

1:31:16.040 --> 1:31:20.280
<v Speaker 2>muscle elector amazing spider man to to to No Way Home,

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<v Speaker 2>but con.

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<v Speaker 5>Dig you so in honor of that, the challenge this

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<v Speaker 5>week is pick a character for the movie each of you,

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<v Speaker 5>and that character is going to take you to the

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<v Speaker 5>mall for a pretty woman's style shopping spree. The caveat

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<v Speaker 5>here is that the budget is as much the person

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<v Speaker 5>can afford, and they pick your clothes based on their style.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you went first last time, so I will go

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<v Speaker 2>first this time. As much as they can afford. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well wow, well listen, if you want to go big,

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<v Speaker 2>that means it's got to be either Norman or Happy

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<v Speaker 2>because they're the only ones with a check book. I

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<v Speaker 2>just wouldn't feel right having May take me on shopping

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<v Speaker 2>spree when her literal job is like community service and

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<v Speaker 2>running a food bank.

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<v Speaker 1>These are like money.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel right using money for donations to just

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<v Speaker 2>be like let's shop, So of those. Happy is too

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<v Speaker 2>much of a sad bitch because of his breakup with May,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to hear about it. I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to hear him going on and on and

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<v Speaker 2>on about May. So you know what, he's messy. But

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<v Speaker 2>Norman Osborne like, let's do it. I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>be fun. I don't know what I'll end up looking like.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you're gonna kill.

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<v Speaker 1>Me in the middle of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you're gonna launch a terrorist attack

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<v Speaker 2>on the mall and start throwing pumpkin bombs around. I

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<v Speaker 2>just know that it's gonna be an adventure even talking

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<v Speaker 2>to you, So it's gonna be I'm gonna say, Norman Osborne,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go take me to the salon and let's get

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<v Speaker 2>those weird waves put in like comics.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go Rosie. I absolutely love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you undred percent when for the right person

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to financial backing.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had some nice looks in this movie, the

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<v Speaker 1>purple jacket with the green hoodie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm I just need to say, Actually, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get to talk about this, but I'm so happy that

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<v Speaker 3>May broke up with Happy.

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<v Speaker 1>That was like my.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolute worst cursed pairing, and I hated it. So the

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<v Speaker 3>movie beginning with her breaking up with him and being

1:33:23.120 --> 1:33:24.720
<v Speaker 3>like it was just a fling, that gave me a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of joy in my soul. I am going to

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<v Speaker 3>go the opposite route where I'm going to go for

1:33:30.560 --> 1:33:33.759
<v Speaker 3>esthetic over cost, because you went for Norman, who's definitely

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<v Speaker 3>the best choice. I would never choose to hang out

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<v Speaker 3>with Happy. I don't like him. I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 3>for MJ because I am a teenage more goth at heart.

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<v Speaker 3>So even if there's only like ten dollars, I know

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<v Speaker 3>she's gonna take me to hot topic or a thrift store.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be wearing a black hoodie. I'll just look like

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<v Speaker 3>my normal clothes, but I'll get to hang out with her.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she's pretty cool and that would really definitely

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<v Speaker 3>represent my style. I wouldn't have to worry too much

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<v Speaker 3>about changing a style even if it is a budget

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<v Speaker 3>shopping spree.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for the endgame.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us know who you think one and use hashtag

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<v Speaker 1>Well, folks, this was a super fun episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Big thank you to the great Rosie Night for joining

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<v Speaker 2>us on x Ray, Rosie where can people find you?

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<v Speaker 1>Hello me on social media?

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<v Speaker 3>Rosie Marx is my Instagram And if you liked any

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<v Speaker 3>of the stuff we were talking about here, you can

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<v Speaker 3>explainers of all this kind of stuff, different theories, digging

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<v Speaker 3>into what the movie means. So yeah, if you want

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