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Speaker 2: There are so many spoilers that are about to be

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. So go watch that movie and then come

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Speaker 2: back to us. Oh my name is Jason Cooncepcia. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to x Ray Vision of the Cricket Podcast, where we

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Speaker 2: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: Joining it today, it had to be Rosie. It had

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Speaker 2: to be Rosie Night. We had to bring her back.

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Speaker 2: It had to be her to talk about this movie

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Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. I saw the movie. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe it. Is it real life that we saw this.

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Speaker 1: We really did it.

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Speaker 2: I mean we we high five after the movie and

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Speaker 2: So here's what we're gonna be talking about in today's episode.

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Speaker 2: First recap and a discussion of episode five of Hawkeye.

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Speaker 2: Next in the airlock, we're gonna be diving deep into

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Speaker 2: the multiversal madness of no Way Home. In nerd Out,

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Speaker 2: a fan pitches us on the novel sworts point in

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Speaker 2: the endgame. Yet another round of assembly required. First up, Hawkeye.

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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Previously on, let's talk about episode five of Hawkeye, titled Ronan,

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Speaker 2: directed by Burton Birdie, written by Jenna Noel Frasier. Just again,

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Speaker 2: a disclaimer. If you haven't seen episode five of Hawkeye yet,

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Speaker 2: Recap. We open in twenty eighteen, somewhere in Europe, after

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Speaker 2: the events of the movie Black Widow, Ylena and another

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Speaker 2: And then it turns out she can afford this mansion

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Speaker 2: it's Bishop Security, right, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 3: Seems as we get further into the episode, it will

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Speaker 2: Later, Ylena tells Anna that she's been all around the

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Speaker 1: What if? Yeah? What if? What if?

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Speaker 3: When Clint was talking to Kate in the house, he

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Speaker 2: He's always looking for her, and Daredevil in various tellings

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Speaker 1: I want to live in that world because.

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Speaker 3: That is a great theory, that is, like so, and

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Speaker 3: imagine if the watch was like something he gave her

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Speaker 3: I hope that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: That's definitely my favorite hawk Eye theory so far. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Okay, at the Fatman used car Lot, which Wilson named

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Speaker 2: it that himself, so that's fine, but it's a little mean. Anyway, Clint,

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Speaker 2: Come on, Clint and Maya fight. I mean, Clint fights

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Speaker 2: She attacks, grabs Clint's sword and tacks him, but then

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Speaker 1: You think? I do think it's Kazi.

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Speaker 2: And Maya is, of course extremely doubtful about this. She

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: It's so good. I mean, they really did a brilliant

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Speaker 2: What exactly is Eleanor's role in all of this, and

435
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 2: do we think that it was legitimately Clint who attacked

436
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 2: the Tracksuits and killed Maya's dad.

437
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: I do think it was Clint.

438
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 3: I think think that the fact that he knows Kingpin's

439
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 3: been talking about Big Guy. I think Clint may have

440
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 3: been in some way connected with or working for Kingpin

441
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: because in the comics it's Kingpin who orchestrates the death

442
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 3: of my dad.

443
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: So this goes with the comics.

444
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: And I think that for whatever reason, you know, Ronan

445
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: was a serial killer, right, so he didn't have great logic.

446
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 3: He could have been like, well, Fisk wanted them wiped out,

447
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 3: and it went along with my hatred of bad guess

448
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 3: or Fisk said, you know, I'll let Laura and you

449
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 3: go if you kill these people for me, you know.

450
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: So I do think it was Clint, but I do

451
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: think it was under the tutelage or in exchange for

452
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: it was something to do with Kingpin, and I think,

453
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: like that's going to be a big reveal in the

454
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: next episode. Okay, Elena.

455
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: So when last we saw Elena at the end of

456
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: Black Widow, Julie Luis Dreyfus, the Kntessa Valentina Legradfontaine was

457
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: presenting her with a tablet with a picture of Clinton

458
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: it saying Clint killed your sister. What is the linkage

459
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: between the Kintessa and Bishop Security?

460
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: You think? This is what I want to know. Are

461
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: they saying that Val.

462
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 3: Is working for Kingpin slash Eleanor? Is that connected? Because

463
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 3: it seems like she when they said, oh, look into

464
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: who ordered that hit, and then Elena is like, I

465
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: found out it was your mom. I couldn't tell whether

466
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: Elena was lying to try and pick Kate and Eleanor

467
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: against each other, But I don't think that's the case.

468
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: I feel like Elena and Kate have a good chemistry.

469
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 3: They kind of trust each other in a weird, suspicious way.

470
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 3: So I'm trying to work out if Eleanor and Kingpin,

471
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: who we now know are kind of incahoots or at

472
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 3: least know each other well enough to be photographed together.

473
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: Are they the ones putting together the Dark Avengers?

474
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 4: Like?

475
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: Is Bishop Security the space where they're trying to build

476
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: this team and instead of having a Norman Osborne or something,

477
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: you're going to have Kingpin as you're kind of overseer.

478
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like Dark Rain Fish because you're exactly.

479
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: Your Dark Rain figure. Like I I'm really interested. That

480
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: is the biggest question that I want to see answered

481
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: in the next episode, because it seemed very much like

482
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: Val was the one in charge. But this reveal kind

483
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: of hints that Kingpin has been puppet mastering things much

484
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 3: further outside of just the TV shows.

485
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: Now, I wonder if it's this. This is what I've

486
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: been thinking, because it was it was a little a

487
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: little suspicious to me how much Elena was really investigating Eleanor.

488
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's that if the Contessa went to

489
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: Elena and said, Okay, here, I have a mission I

490
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,239
Speaker 2: need you to I need you to get inside and

491
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: investigate Bishop security and find out like what the links

492
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: are to organize crime. As a bonus, you get to

493
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: kill Clint Barton in the in the course of doing

494
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: your mission, because they want that. They're looking for an

495
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: assassin to do that anyway, and I want to know

496
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: who they are.

497
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: So it's a two for one for you.

498
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: You go in, you get to kill Clit, and you

499
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: also get to investigate these people who are potentially bad.

500
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: That's very likely and very smart.

501
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 3: I think basically that Elena is the mole for Val,

502
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: and vou was like, but you actually do want to

503
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: do the mission, so just do it as well, because

504
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 3: I'm not a This is not a good person, She's

505
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 3: a morally great person.

506
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: If you want to kill this Avenger, fine, I'm fine

507
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: with that, But also, can.

508
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: You tell me who the fuck these people are and

509
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 3: what they're doing.

510
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: I wonder if you think Jackie Kaine the Swordsman is

511
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: working for Val.

512
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: Too, Maybe that could be an interesting kind of if

513
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: it's Val, like from the comics where it's like at

514
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: one point she was entangled with Shield or Nick Fury

515
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: or something, so in that way, he was maybe a leftover.

516
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: I think he could be so deep undercover that he's

517
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: a leftover from before Shield in you know, Captain America too,

518
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: Like I think this could be a he's been deep

519
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: undercover in the crime world of New York, fell for

520
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: Eleanor and was like maybe I can fix her or

521
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe not, but you know, it seems

522
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 3: to be going well for me, Like nothing these tracks

523
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: with my what do they even do? They don't seem

524
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: that bad and lo and behold, he's now caught in

525
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: this kind of seemingly world ending superhero drama of Kingpin.

526
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 2: And then final question when Clint goes to the plaque,

527
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: which can we get the Avengers a bigger plaque?

528
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: Like it's fine, but it's not even a log human

529
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: like just the black Yeah, like that's all. It's just

530
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: like this plaque anyway, it's weird.

531
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 2: He apologizes to Natasha for what he's about to do,

532
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: but what is that? Because it doesn't seem okay. So

533
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: he's gonna contact Maya and be like, hey, don't do

534
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: the like you stop looking for me.

535
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: I wonder what it is.

536
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: Natasha died because she believed that Clint could be a

537
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: better person and he had this family and he could

538
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 3: forget the Ronan And he basically put the Ronan suit

539
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: back on and went and threatened a twenty year old

540
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 3: or twenty five and threatened some young girl who's just

541
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 3: in this really same position that he was in and

542
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 3: that Natasha was in. And he used the thing that

543
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: he was meant to be kind of forgetting. And I

544
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 3: think that that would be my guess of what he

545
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: was kind of emotionally trying to connect to.

546
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: Fantastic episode Man. Ever since episode three, Hawkeye has really

547
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: just gone up, up, up and up.

548
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: The action stuff with Maya and the way that they

549
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 3: the way they've built in a Lac was prosthetic as

550
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: a way for her to always be able to kick

551
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: the shit out of Clint, and this time he hits

552
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: her with that sword. It just hits that prosthetic boom.

553
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: Is like my favorite thing. I just the action in

554
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: this show is just so cool and balancing that with

555
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: the emotional beats and the kind of these big reveals,

556
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: like that Kingpin reveal is huge. It was, it was

557
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: really really big, but they just did it in such

558
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 3: a cool way.

559
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: Agreed, And so like, the question is where, And it's

560
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 2: a similar question with another character that is in No

561
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: Way Home, which we will talk about in the No

562
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: Way Home segment. The question is where in Daredevil's arc

563
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: are we meeting him? So, you know, in the in

564
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: the Netflix series, he's the he's the kingpin of crime,

565
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: like he is the Dawn of New York. He's an

566
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: extremely powerful figure at the top of the food chain

567
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: of New York organized crime, not only organized crime but

568
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: also like New York business interests. He is just like

569
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: well connected. Is that the kingpin that we are meeting

570
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: now or is this the kingpin that's just on his

571
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: rise and has not yet like beaten down and subdued

572
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: the other organized crime families and kind of and turned

573
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 2: them into his own family.

574
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: I just wonder where he is. What are your thoughts.

575
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's been at the top.

576
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: I think the Netflix stuff exists. I think people are

577
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: taken down, either by a different crime family or by Matt.

578
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: He got taken down some pegs, and he's on the

579
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: rise in a more like Hawky knows he's the big guy.

580
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: Hawky's terrified of him. He's made his mark. He people

581
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: know who he is.

582
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: But there's something that has and that means he's having

583
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: to make this comeback in a different way. It could

584
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: be the twist could be him and eleanor are doing

585
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: something legitimate together, because Kingpin has been legitimate at some points,

586
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: so that would be really scary because if he's coming

587
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: up as a political candidate, a mayor or candidate or something,

588
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: that could be something that would be really awful for

589
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: her to have to prove, yeah, there's this evil guy

590
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: and oh no, that's, you know, stand up member of

591
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: the community. But I think he's been big. I think

592
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: Netflix deat of a show is still generally something that

593
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: we can look back to but he's making as he's

594
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: on his second rise to power.

595
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: I like that.

596
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: I will say that this is a very very very

597
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: minor detail from Spider Man No Way Home, but I

598
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: guess technically a spoiler, but I will say that. So

599
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: the Department of Damage Control, who's been around ever since

600
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: you know, Spider Man Homecoming, is kind of a more

601
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: active entity now in the MCU and in the comics

602
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: at least, the Department of Damage Control, which dealt with,

603
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: you know, salvage work and construction work in the wake

604
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: of these superhero battles in which they go in. They'd

605
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: salvage alien materials, alien weapons, and also like fix any

606
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: damage that had been done. Was a business partnership between

607
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: public and private interest. So it was like part government,

608
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: part private, but the private part was a partnership between

609
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: Wilson Fisk, Wilson Fisk's legitimate business arm, and Tony Stark.

610
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: So I do wonder if I wonder if the Kingpin is,

611
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: to your point, in his second rise, has more of

612
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: these kind of like legitimate arms and his like with

613
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: damage control and then with his more crime related stuff.

614
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: It's just like a lot more under the surface now.

615
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: It's very very interesting. I can't wait to see what

616
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: happens in episode six. Any predictions quickly?

617
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: I think we're going to get a very very brief

618
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: reference to the big final battle and Spider Man.

619
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: Some kind of TV news report. Oh the the Statue

620
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: of Liberty is broken or something. But that's it. But

621
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: I think we will get it.

622
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: Whoo up next Spider Man No Way Home.

623
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: Okay, folks, this is it.

624
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: We are stepping out of the airlock to talk about

625
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: Spider Man No Way Home and to recap this really

626
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: amazing movie.

627
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: Rosie, are you ready? I'm ready, I was born ready.

628
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: This is the moment. This is it. We did it,

629
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: so we opened.

630
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: No Way Home opens, and it opens right after the

631
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: events of Spider Man Far from Home and Peter Parker's

632
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: life is an absolute mess. Mysterios reveal of Spider Man's

633
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: identity has turned Pete's daily existence into a zoo. He has,

634
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: of course, framed Peter for his and this has been

635
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: very effective. The DODC, the Department of Damage Control headed

636
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: up by Stewie from succession, is currently investigating Pete for

637
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: numerous federal crimes. Aunt May is being threatened with charges

638
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: of ret close engagement of a child, Happy, MJ, and

639
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: Ned are all being investigated as Peter's accessories. May has

640
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: to hire a lawyer, and she goes out and hires

641
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: the best lawyer that she can afford, and it's a

642
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: blind lawyer by the name of Matthew Murdoch. We called it,

643
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: we called it, we called it incredible moment.

644
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: They do such a good job. Like he's sitting at

645
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: the table and you know.

646
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: He says to p Oh, the charge is not going

647
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: to stick, but now you've got to deal with a

648
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: court of public opinion. Bom, A brick comes through the

649
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: window and on the brick it says we believe mysterio.

650
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: And Matt catches it and he said, goes, how did

651
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: you do that? And he said, I'm a really good lawyer.

652
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: It is amazing this film. I tweeted that this film

653
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: has like endgame levels of wow they pulled it off.

654
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: Part of that is, you know, this was like this was.

655
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: A screening for press and various people like that, but

656
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: it had that like Marvel movie feel of everybody just.

657
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: Be like, oh shit, yeah.

658
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: And one of the I absolutely legitimately screamed oh shit.

659
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: When Aunt May and Peter are meeting with their lawyer,

660
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you know, you see them

661
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: in a two shot, and then they asked the lawyer

662
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: a question, and then the next shot as the camera

663
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: zooms back, is like him holding a cane, and I

664
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: was just like, oh shit, they're doing it.

665
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: It's Matthew Murdoch. We love it.

666
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: So mysterios framing of Peter Parker has effectively split public opinion.

667
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: Most people, including our friends at Midtownheimster, Harrington, and Julius,

668
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: consider Peter a hero for his efforts in the battle

669
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: against Thanos, saving the world and saving the lives of

670
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: half the beings in the whole fucking universe. But a

671
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: sizable minority encompassing you know, conspiracy theorists and the various

672
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: people who watch daily Bugle content, which of which there

673
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: is a large overlap, believe Peter is a terrorist who

674
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 2: murdered the courageous interdimensional superhero with Stereo with stolen Stark Tech.

675
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: Because of this, Peter and May are forced to leave

676
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: their home and DeCamp to Happis Queen's condo, where we

677
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: are reunited with our friend the robot arm Dummy.

678
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: Oh I love that guy.

679
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: I love Dummy Peter, MJ, and Ned all apply to

680
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: the same colleges. They have the same primary college mit

681
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: in the same various backups. When Ned and MJ are

682
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: denied all of their choices basically and are told the

683
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: reason is specifically they're link to Spider Man, Peter feels, okay,

684
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: I gotta do something, so he goes to visit his friend,

685
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 2: doctor Strange in the Sanctum Sanctorum. Well, colleague, right, not friend,

686
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: clearly not friend. Yet they're colleagues. They are brothers in arms.

687
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: So to say, save the wild, but they don't know

688
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: they yeah.

689
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: You know, like they're they saved the world together.

690
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: And then and then they went their separate ways.

691
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: At the Sanctum, we see that a blizzard has recently

692
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: run through because of an unsecured portal to Siberia or

693
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 2: something like that.

694
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: We learn that.

695
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: Much too much to Stranger's chagrin, Wong is actually the

696
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: Sorcerer Supreme.

697
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: So that is the right choice. The drop was so perfect.

698
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: Stephens and I lom so angry about it. He's like,

699
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: it's actually it's a tenntality. Actually because I blipped out

700
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: for five Yes, you weren't around for five years. You

701
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: weren't around and Earth needed a sorcers regream, So it's

702
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: gotta be Wong who is here. Uh yeah, I love

703
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: that he calls it a technicality. I will say this.

704
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: Does it feel?

705
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: Of course? Wang is always hurting for cash.

706
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: Remember the scene in Infinity War where he's like, I

707
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: need you to buy me a sandwich and coffee. Like

708
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: Wong is always like, I don't have hard currency. That said,

709
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: it feels a little bit below the dignity of the

710
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: Sorcerer Supreme for Wong to be taking part in like

711
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: illegal superhero fights for cash, as we saw in Shane.

712
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: Think about Stephen, all the things that Stephen Strange did.

713
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 3: He was such a shady guy to become the Sorcerer Supreme.

714
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: He's like stealing shit.

715
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: Absolutely he's there.

716
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: He was just a bad guy. So I'm like, you

717
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: know what, Wong, He's just up front of by it.

718
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm gonna do a little bit of an

719
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: illegal side. He's like I'm gonna do a He's like,

720
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm training abomination for some and maybe he's gonna be

721
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: a suck Avengers, So why not just make a little

722
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 3: cash on the side.

723
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: Because Steven's obviously giving him any money.

724
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 3: He's obviously not getting paid by the Sorcerer's Supreme, so

725
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, go for it wrong.

726
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: Here's my take.

727
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: Here's my take MCU, Defenders, Wong Abomination, maybe Doc Strange

728
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: and some other weirdos.

729
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: I definitely think I think Defenders is happening now that

730
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: we've got this true Kevin Feige doesn't care about using

731
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 3: stuff from the Marvel TV and he kind of doesn't

732
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: mind reimagining.

733
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: I think Defenders is happening. It makes a lot of sense.

734
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: So, uh, Peter explains his issue to Strange. Everybody knows

735
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: my identity. It really sucks now, and Strange with very

736
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: little persuading. I mean he kind of like briefly is

737
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: like can't you just deal with it? And then immediately

738
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: is like, fine, you know what, let's just alter reality.

739
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: I can do that.

740
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, we used this, We use this spell

741
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: all the time, Like sure it deals with unknown realities,

742
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: but like we've used it to forget like bad parties.

743
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: So let's just commortize remember that party and commotize that

744
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: we had Wong.

745
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: And Wong's like no, and he's like see n't it.

746
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: And of course this this absolutely you know, comports with

747
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 2: what we know about Stephen Strange, a guy who's rise

748
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: in the commartage like hierarchy, like depended you know, pretty

749
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: heavily on his stealing books that he shouldn't have been

750
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: reading and doing things he shouldn't have been doing the

751
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: great time. Yeah, just like egoist kind of shit that

752
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: doctor Strange is absolutely liable to do when he learns

753
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: of this, you know, obviously, like it's a serious issue,

754
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: but like minor in the universal sense, problem that he

755
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: can solve by, you know, just like mind wiping the

756
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: entire population of Earth. Like he's like, you know what

757
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm in, let's do that, you know. But of course,

758
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: like the difference between like mind wiping some folks in

759
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: comartage and this incident, you know what we're dealing with

760
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: now is like we're talking about like millions of people again.

761
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: So Strange gets to work and he's he's performing this

762
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: very very very complex, very very uh you know, precise

763
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: and very powerful spell, and in the middle of it,

764
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: Peter is like, oh, well, hold on, did you say

765
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna forget about me? Can we make MJ kind

766
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: of needs to remember me? Because like we're like that's

767
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: my girlfriend. We're in a relationship right now, so like

768
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: can we do that? And Strange is like okay, fine,

769
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: but like no more. And then he's like okay, oh

770
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: oh a Ned Ned is my best friend. He's the

771
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: guy in the chair, like I need d too, And

772
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: then Strange it's still performing the spells like okay, but

773
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 2: like no more, and then all of a sudden, it's

774
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: also anime, and then it's also happy.

775
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: And then happy is the reason that the Maultivas explained,

776
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: it's because you want to happy.

777
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 2: And so Strange has to shut down the spell because

778
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: the multiverse is it He's about to like warp reality

779
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: in a way that he's like, actually, not sure what's

780
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: gonna do. So he captures the spell like in this

781
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: amber geodesic shape, and he's like, Peter, get out of here.

782
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: He realizes Peter. Also let's drop that he didn't call

783
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: am I. He didn't like call admissions or anything. He

784
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: just immediately was like, oh, doctor Strange can help, but

785
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: like warping reality. And so then doctor Strange is like,

786
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: you didn't even call, like get out of here? How

787
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: dare you, sir? Get out of my sanctum? And he

788
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: kicks Peter out. Peter calls Flash Thompson. Now Thompson did

789
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: get accepted to MIT, and in recent days he has

790
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: been branding himself as Peter's official best friend. He even,

791
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 2: like Speed, published a novel to that effect, Flashpoint, which

792
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: is a very good BC. I thought that was so funny.

793
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: That was really really funny.

794
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: Again another story, Flashpoint, another story about multiversal craziness, so

795
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: very funny. Flash tells him that, hey, the Mi T

796
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: admissions person was here in New York at this MIT

797
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: party for people in the New York area who'd been

798
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: accepted MIT. But they're currently getting back on a plane.

799
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: Maybe you can catch them. So Pete swings across town,

800
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: finds the MIT person's car on the Queensboro Bridge on

801
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: the Queensboro Bridge night and is about to pitch Ned

802
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: and MJ getting into MIT when bomb bomb bomb Doctor

803
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: Octopus strikes Hello, Peter, Now Pete.

804
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 1: A really fun action scene fight.

805
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: Pete manages to neutralize a doc OC because the stark

806
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: nanoparticles of his suit get into Doc's tentacles, and he

807
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: manages to hack it and basically bluetooth Parrot to his

808
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: own suit and he takes control of it. Pete talks

809
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 2: to the admissions person and she's like, Wow, you're a hero.

810
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 2: You saved all the people on this bridge. I'm gonna

811
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: talk to MIT admissions and I'm gonna put a good

812
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: word in, maybe even for you too. Maybe you're all

813
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: going to MIT's been great. Just then a pumpkin bomb

814
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: hits the pavement and we hear that William default laugh

815
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: and here comes the Green Goblin. Octavia says, Norman, is

816
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: that you, And just as another fight is about to

817
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: break out, Strange portals everybody to the Sanctum and everybody's safe.

818
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: Back at Sanctum, where doctor Octopus is now like in

819
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: a little holding cell, Strange lays out the problem.

820
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: Okay, here's what happened, Pete.

821
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: Instead of erasing everybody who had a memory of Peter

822
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: Parker as Spider Man, you're, you know, messing around, caused

823
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: everyone who knows who is Spider Man to come to

824
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: this universe. So that includes a bunch of Spider Man's villains.

825
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: And so Spider Man, I'm giving you a job.

826
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 1: One.

827
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: Here is this magic Golden Goop gauntlet that when you

828
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: spray multiversal variance with it, it transports them here to my

829
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: holding cells and two find all of these uh you know,

830
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: trespassers in our dimension and capture them so we can

831
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: send them home. It's basically that it's the Pokemon doctrine.

832
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: You got to catch them all. And Peter's like, Peter's like, okay,

833
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: I'll do it, but I have my team. It's got

834
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: to be Ned and MJ helping me, and doctor She's

835
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: like whatever, just go fucking do it.

836
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: So they go do it.

837
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: And Peter goes and tracks down Sandman Electro and it

838
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: goes pretty well at first. He manages to put them

839
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 2: in their little holding cells, but then Norman Osborne, who

840
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: had I guess managed to rest control of his fractured

841
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 2: Psyche from the Green Goblin, wanders into May's community Center

842
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: Feast in search of aid. And moved by Norman's vulnerability

843
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: and his clear distress and by May's generosity and saying,

844
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: we got to help this guy, Peter brings Norman to

845
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: the Sanctum not as a prisoner, and he's got all

846
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: these new ideas, this new approach that's he's considering, and

847
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: it's something like this, shouldn't we do something more for

848
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: them right then? Just like send them back blind into

849
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: their dimension, considering the fact that they're here is like

850
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: our fault. We did this, right, It's kind of our fault,

851
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: like doctor strangeond we do this. Doctor Strange, you know,

852
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: MUCKs around with stuff all the time, and he is

853
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 2: not really he's not a fan of this new approach.

854
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: His thing is like, they don't belong here. We should

855
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: just send him back, right, let's just send it back.

856
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: What do we even? What are we talking about? And

857
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: then Octavius is like, well, guess what actually, like Norman

858
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 2: dies like when you send it back, like a lot

859
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: of it. And then our interdimensional trespassers all figure out

860
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: that oh, actually we all, we all kind of do die.

861
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: Literally the moment, the moment that they're plucked is the

862
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 3: moment that they were about to die.

863
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: I should mention that doctor Strange, off camera, had already

864
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: captured Doctor Connor as the Lizard, so he's already in

865
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: a holding cell when he, you know, is taken back

866
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: to the sanctum after the fight with doctor Ocubus. So

867
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: Spider Man is like, you know what, we can't do this.

868
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: I don't agree that we should just send them back.

869
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: We should try and help them. Doctor Strange has now

870
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: a cube that he's put the captured spell in, and

871
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: if you just press a button, they all go back

872
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: like immediately, everybody just goes back, and Peter's like, give

873
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: me that steals a cube, and now a chase ensues.

874
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: A Strange knocks.

875
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: Peter out of his body into the astral plane, much

876
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: like happens to Hulk in an endgame, but in a

877
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: really cool kind of like expansion of Spider Man's Spider

878
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 2: Sense lore. He can't take the cube from Spider Man's

879
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 2: inert body because Spidey Sense is still active and won't

880
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: let him take it, which is really cool. I thought, yeah,

881
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 2: it's really rad.

882
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: And then also like there's a hint at kind of

883
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 3: Peter's innate powers because he just swims his his konji,

884
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: his consciousness just swims back into his spider body and.

885
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: He's like peace out.

886
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: So it's not even just like the Spider Sense is

887
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 3: so cool, but it's also like there's something about Peter

888
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 3: whare he is a good something more, there's something more,

889
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: And then that kind of translates to Strange puts him

890
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 3: in that mirror dimension, which Strange think, He's like.

891
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Here, I'm all power. I have home court advantage, I

892
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: mean control.

893
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: And then Peter realizes that the mirror dimension is oldest geography,

894
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: and he's like, oh, I'm really good at the geometry. Yeah,

895
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm really good at this, I'm really good

896
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: at maths, like I can do this.

897
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: And he and he webs him up.

898
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: It's perfect, you know, like you would think, oh, strange

899
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: in the mirror to mension, this is home court advantage.

900
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha has.

901
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: As wise comics readers, Rosy and I would note true

902
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: home court advantage is whose comic slash movie is it.

903
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: It's spider Man's movie, motherfucker. So of course spider Man

904
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: beats Doctor Strange. Now Here is where we should say

905
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: spider Man is a hero. But you know, heroism should

906
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: be tempered with reasonable caution. But Peter, as doctor Strange

907
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: notes all throughout the movie, is still just a kid.

908
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: And so Peter's decision is, I'm gonna take some of

909
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: my most iconic super villains Norman Osborne, Electro Sandman, and

910
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: Doctor Octopus back to Happy's condo to hang out with

911
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: it at May so we can all science away that

912
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: allows them to go back to their dimensions safely. Peter

913
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: makes a replacement ship for ox Tentacle rig which filters

914
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: out the influence of the tentacles from doctor Octopus's mind.

915
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: It goes great. Now all of a sudden, Octavius is

916
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: just like his regular old, brilliant, non evil self. This

917
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: is all going great. And as they're working on an

918
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: anti serum antidote for Green Goblin, guess what, Peter Spidey

919
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: sense goes off and it turns out that at some

920
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: point Goblin had gotten control of Norman Osborne's body, but

921
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: has been like kind of laying low waiting for his

922
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: time to strike. But guess what his time to strike

923
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: is now? Big fight breaks out. Electro Lizard and Sandman

924
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 2: and Octavius all flee the scene. Norman is just insanely powerful.

925
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: He pummels Peter all through the condo buildings, down through

926
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: the floors of the building into the lobby.

927
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: It's a great action scene. Yeah, what's a good web action?

928
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: There's like, what's a good flipping And it's really really great,

929
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 3: very brutal actually personally.

930
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: Very very brutal, awesome Spider Man versus the Green Goblin fight.

931
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 2: May courageously is about to defend her nephew when Goblin

932
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: remote Pilots has sled into May, which knocks her hard

933
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: to the ground. He gets on his sled and flies off,

934
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: flinging a pumpkin bomb like in his wake to destroy

935
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 2: Peter and aunt May. Peter managed to shield May, and

936
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 2: he realizes in this moment that like, look at this destruction.

937
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: I was wrong. I should have just let Strange send

938
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: them all back, even if it's to their death. That's

939
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: none of our business. They don't belong here, They're in

940
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: the wrong dimension. Stranger's right. May May is like, no, no, no, no, no,

941
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 2: you're wrong. You have this gift, this is your responsibility

942
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: as the person who brought them here. And with great

943
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: power that you have, the great power that you have,

944
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: comes great responsibility.

945
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: You have to help them. And this really hits Peter.

946
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, as her as the

947
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: adrenaline from this crazy fight that she's witnessed fades, she

948
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: collapses and were re realize that she's mortally wounded, much

949
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: more seriously injured than we thought, and heartbreakingly she passes.

950
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: She dies, She passes rip Aunt May, and her passing

951
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: absolutely destroys Peter, just brings him to his absolute lowest

952
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: point that we've seen in mcuh it is it's just

953
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: wildly heartbreaking, and we should add as an addendum to this,

954
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: we called it. We called it that with you, called

955
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: that we were going to get in this movie, with

956
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: great power comes great responsibility.

957
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: And they did a really cool thing where we said,

958
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: we said that we felt like it was going to

959
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: come from like Aunt May's perspective, and they did that

960
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: in a really dark way where it's aunt May who's

961
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: actually the one who says it, and they even you us.

962
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: We talked last week about like the the comics accurate caption,

963
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 3: which is like, with great power, there must also come

964
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: great responsibility, and that's what she says to him. She says,

965
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 3: you know, with great power, that also comes great responsibility.

966
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: So it's even more accurate than we've seen before. And

967
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 3: it was just this it.

968
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: Was so good, Like I was so good.

969
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: I love Marissa, so I'm really sad about it, but

970
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 3: like it was so good.

971
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 2: I mean, for like a real tour de force acting wise,

972
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 2: because Tom and Marissa make you feel it here, you

973
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 2: feel it you It is an incredibly earned and and

974
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: emotional death scene and it, I mean, it really rocks you,

975
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: like there's part of the magic of this movie is

976
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: obviously like it's an incredible wild adventure with multiple like

977
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: multiversal characters all like smashing into the Marvel universe in

978
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 2: this wild way. But also it's a really great did

979
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 2: like character and relationship movie that really breaks your heart

980
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 2: in a million different ways.

981
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 3: It's like it's really interestingly contained. Even this action is

982
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: like in the apartment building and then there's another big

983
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 3: action sequence we'll get to but like it's this really

984
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: contained human drama, and I mean, I know we'll get

985
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 3: to it. But like Tom Holland is this is like

986
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: a career best.

987
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: He crushes it.

988
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: He he really crushes it in this He's so good if.

989
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: He made you cry.

990
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 3: And in the Infinity War scene, you know, like mister

991
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: Stark like I don't want to go.

992
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: You know this is going to get you here for

993
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: the whole movie.

994
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: The entire movie, because it really is like Peter's you know,

995
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 2: existential like anxiety and his his innate goodness, the fact

996
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: that he just doesn't want to affect other people, like

997
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: he wants to be a superhero, but when it spills

998
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: over into affecting his friends, it's it causes him to

999
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: act and obviously in that sense, like nobody has been

1000
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: a bigger influence in his life than it may.

1001
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: He loves her and this is just it wrecks him.

1002
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: Ned and MJ that now the news of that is

1003
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: all over the place on TV everywhere.

1004
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: Ned and MJ see this, and they know their friend

1005
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: needs them.

1006
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: So Ned had at some point, like during this doctor

1007
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: Strange fight, had Cad Stranges slingering. Strange, by the way,

1008
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: is trapped in the mirror dimension at this time, and

1009
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: Ned realizes suddenly that true to family lore, he can actually,

1010
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: it seems, do magic stuff. And concentrating on their need

1011
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: to help their friend Peter, Ned says, I need to

1012
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: see my friend Peter. And he casts a portal and

1013
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: it opens and they're Spider Man in an alley and

1014
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: Spider Man sees the portal and he waited. He's like what,

1015
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: and they're like, Peter, come here, Peter, and Peter comes

1016
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: and he jumps through the portal and it's Andrew Garfield.

1017
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: Crowd goes fucking why, I mean, theater goes. It absolutely

1018
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: fucking explodes. I hope that.

1019
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're listening to this, you've hopefully already

1020
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 3: seen it. Yeah, if you're fit. It didn't have that reaction.

1021
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: Find the nearest theits.

1022
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: You find, go see it again.

1023
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 3: And busiest screen and go and see it because this

1024
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 3: is that movie. Like we see a lot of press

1025
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: movies and like yes screenings, and there's ones where you

1026
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: get those big reactions and there's one way you don't.

1027
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: But that was like people are giving round of a pause.

1028
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 3: There's like it's the Oscars.

1029
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: People are like, yeah.

1030
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: When it when the portal opens and you see Spider

1031
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: Man in the suit turn around, and then it was

1032
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: like that murmur of oh shit, this is it.

1033
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: Cure it is, it's it. And then when he.

1034
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: Pulls off the mask, it's like, ah, it was great.

1035
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: And then so they're like, Okay, this is weird.

1036
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: Who are you? Are you really Peter Parker?

1037
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 2: They do this is really wonderful scene in which they

1038
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: ask him to prove it by like crawling around, and

1039
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: he's like.

1040
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: Do I need a crawl around?

1041
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: I'm already hanging from the ceiling. Do I need to

1042
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: do all this stuff? And MJ's like bread rolls at him,

1043
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: had to see if he does this like Peter Tingle,

1044
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: and if so, then they cast another portal Okay, let's

1045
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: get let's try again.

1046
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: We got we gotta find Peter. He needs this. Let's

1047
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: do it. And who steps through but Tomy McGuire.

1048
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: Crowd goes wild again. Theater explodes again.

1049
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: He's he's wearing casual clothes. They haven't daged him.

1050
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: This is like Uncle Peter, he's he's there, he wants

1051
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 3: to help mcu Peter, he wants he feels like there's

1052
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: a Spider sense that.

1053
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: Means he knows, yes, that Peter needs him. And it's

1054
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: just this.

1055
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: I was so ready to go into this movie and

1056
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 3: worry that it was going to be this kind of

1057
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 3: cynical look what we own, but they did this so well.

1058
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 3: I was like incredibly surprised by how well the Spider

1059
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 3: Man's stuff works.

1060
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: You know, Garfield and McGuire, but particularly McGuire, they are older,

1061
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: they're wiser, they are slightly damaged by their time as

1062
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: clearly their adventuress as Spider Man has continued, like in

1063
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: their reality past what we know in the movies. So

1064
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 2: they are just different people and they are exactly the

1065
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: perspective that Peter needs.

1066
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 4: Right.

1067
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: So MJ again, this was done so well, and the

1068
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: chemistry from the Spider Man, and the rest of the

1069
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: cast is like incredible. It's just they nailed this, and

1070
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: they needed to nail it, and they killed it with this.

1071
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they let Toby gets to be this kind

1072
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 3: of composed adult PM that he never was. Yes, and

1073
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 3: we learned that he kind of still is with MJ

1074
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 3: in this way.

1075
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: And then Garfield has this like manic emo energy that's

1076
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: kind of this.

1077
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 3: It feels really true to the character we saw, but

1078
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: it's also like a funny methatext.

1079
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: On him being emo spider Man. Yeah, because he's like it.

1080
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 2: Increasingly, as we get to know Andrew Garfield, spider let's

1081
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: call him a spider Man, spider Man three require spider

1082
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: Man two, we realize that he feels a real sense

1083
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 2: of inferiority as he realizes the stuff that the other

1084
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: Spider Man has done. And in addition to you know,

1085
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: the fact that his MJ died he wasn't able to

1086
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: save her. There is a real hole in his heart

1087
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: because of these things. He talks about it over the

1088
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: course of the day, and he even as we get

1089
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 2: to know him, he's a more ragefull Spider Man because

1090
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: he's hurt, he's wounded.

1091
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he even, like, you know, Jason mentioned my MJ.

1092
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 3: That's actually what he references Gwen as, because he knows

1093
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 3: that's how the other two Spider Man will relate to it, right, So,

1094
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 3: and he says, yeah, he's kind of got that Spider

1095
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 3: Man rain, like Dark Spider Man. He says, you know,

1096
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 3: he became bitter, rage full.

1097
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: He he's stopped pulling his punches.

1098
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he stopped pulling his punches, you know. So it's

1099
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: really interesting to see them have so much fun with

1100
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 3: these different iterations of Spider Man. And as the movie

1101
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: goes on, I mean, they do a really good job

1102
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 3: of bringing closure to these stories. So MJ and Ned

1103
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 3: lead the Peters to their Peter. The Peters share their

1104
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 3: story of Uncle Ben, who you know, our Peter Parker

1105
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 3: does not have, but who died in much the same

1106
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: way as Peter's aunt May and became this obviously catalytic

1107
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: force that allowed the Peters to unlock the full power

1108
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: of their heroism. And the two Peters tell Peter like this,

1109
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: May died for a reason. It wasn't for no reason.

1110
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 3: It's the same reason that our uncle Ben died. And

1111
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: so this this lifts Peter and the three Peters pick

1112
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 3: up where the original science mission picked off. They start

1113
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 3: designing these devices that will allow them to depower each

1114
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 3: of the interdimensional trespassers so they can send them safely

1115
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 3: back to their dimension. Peter then sends a video to

1116
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 3: the Daily Bugle in which he talks about, Yeah, I

1117
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 3: did this. I brought these trespassers here and if they

1118
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 3: want to find me, I'll be at the Statue of

1119
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 3: Liberty of hanging out there, I'm waiting for it.

1120
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: Yet this box.

1121
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with the box that they don't want me

1122
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: to push the button because I will send them all back.

1123
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: I know they want to stay here.

1124
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: So he's effectively lured them to the Statue of Liberty,

1125
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: which by the way, has now been retrofitted with a

1126
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: caps shield.

1127
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: A big fight ensues.

1128
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: At the Statue of Liberty, and we get this wonderful

1129
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: character moment where Andrew, who has again felt insecure about

1130
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: his role as Spider and compared to the other two

1131
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: and who you know failed Gwen gets to save MJ

1132
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: in this universe and man Garfield again we talk about

1133
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: Tom Holland Garfield gives it to you, so he saves

1134
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 2: so MJ falling off the scaffolding Peter Parker six one

1135
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: six Peter Parker one gets tries to save her, but

1136
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: gets hit out of the way by the Green Goblin,

1137
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: and Garfield, recognizing again this mirror image of the thing

1138
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: that happened in his universe, swings into action saves her life.

1139
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: And there's this moment where he's like, are you okay?

1140
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: And when he realizes she is, he starts crying and

1141
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: it is it got me, It got.

1142
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: Me me too.

1143
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 3: And then and Zendeia, who is just, by the way,

1144
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 3: so amazing in this We haven't even really like given

1145
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: her her problem, yes, but like she's so good. She's

1146
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 3: so funny, she's so emotional, she's so heartfelt. She's bringing

1147
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 3: that Emmy winner depth to this role. But like Andrew's

1148
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't wear her this time. He catches

1149
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: her in the arms because you learn his lesson, and

1150
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: he's like are you okay? And he starts crying. And

1151
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 3: then when he starts crying, she looks at him and

1152
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 3: she's like, are you okay?

1153
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1154
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 3: Oh dude, that was really that was the It was

1155
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 3: one bearing up. It got me like in the chest.

1156
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: Like Andrew is such.

1157
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: A good actor. I mean it's like he's so.

1158
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: Good in this and there's real I mean, this is

1159
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: kind of like, this is the real magic of this movie.

1160
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: This is a movie that ties up emotional loose ends

1161
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: from previous Spider Man movies in a way that feels like.

1162
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: Really really earned.

1163
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is one of the just like the

1164
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: big emotions.

1165
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 3: That's actually definitely something that I think it does so

1166
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: well that I wasn't expecting.

1167
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: Everyone gets to have their moment.

1168
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 3: I think by this point, you know, Toby's pet has

1169
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 3: already seen Doc off my dear boy. You know, there's

1170
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: these like every Jamie and Andrew get to have that moment.

1171
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 3: There's this there's this tying up of loose ends emotionally

1172
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 3: and narratively that the wonder if he's never got to have.

1173
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: It's really really wonderful and really magic.

1174
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: So at the end of this big fight, Sandman has

1175
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: been deepowered, Lizard has been deepowered, Electro has been deepowered.

1176
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 2: And at the end it's Peter one Tom Holland versus

1177
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: the Green Goblin. And you know, Peter is full of

1178
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: anger and vengeance and he wants to enact that vengeance

1179
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 2: on the Green Goblin who killed Aunt May and he

1180
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: lifts the Green Goblins sled and he's about to mark

1181
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: them with it when Toby Maguire Peter Too, stops him

1182
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: and he's like, hey, don't do this, Like I wouldn't

1183
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: want you to do this. Remember what May said, I

1184
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: just like talking Peter out of it. Green Goblin stabs

1185
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: him in the backs Stoli in the back, uh and uh.

1186
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: In that moment, Garfield swings down throws Peter One the antidote.

1187
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: Peter One, De Goblin's Norman uh Strange then arrives and

1188
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna send them back.

1189
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: But now we've.

1190
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 2: Got the issue of as he's about to send them

1191
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: all back, there's now an infinite number of people throughout

1192
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: the dimensions who know who Peter Parker is, and they

1193
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: are coming crashing into this dimension and it's destroying reality.

1194
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: And then this kind of like broken sky you see.

1195
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: I saw Craven, I saw a Scorpion. I couldn't make

1196
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: out anybody else, but those were there.

1197
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 3: There's like a bold headed person who, there's Rhino, there's

1198
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 3: there's When that this comes out on Disney Plus or DVD,

1199
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 3: we'll be able to pause it and see the outlines

1200
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 3: of these characters. Because the truth is that when strangers

1201
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 3: first messing up the spell, we see the outline of Lizard.

1202
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 3: So they set up this idea that you can see

1203
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 3: who these people might be. And obviously, as we know

1204
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 3: from the comics, literally every single person in the call

1205
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 3: makes knows Peter Parker Spider Man, so it could really

1206
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 3: be anyone coming.

1207
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: So Peter now realizes, Okay, this mistake, miscalculation that that

1208
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: I made is now threatening to like actually destroy the world.

1209
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: So okay, run the original spell. Erase me from existence,

1210
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: no caveats, Just erase me, erase everyone's memory.

1211
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: That I ever get. Yeah, He's like, not even just

1212
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: that I'm Spider Man.

1213
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: Just people will forget that Peter Parker ever existed. I'm

1214
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: gone from everybody's memory. And Straining is like are you sure,

1215
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: and he's at yeah, it gets a little sary. He's like, yes, absolutely,

1216
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 2: do it. So strangers like, okay, it's gonna take me

1217
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 2: like a minute and a half to run this spell.

1218
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: Say goodbye to everybody now, So he says goodbye to

1219
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 2: his his alternate egos, uh Peter. Two and three, he

1220
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: says goodbye to Ned and he says, really tearful wonderful

1221
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: goodbye that will again just really get you.

1222
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: To MJ. They admit their love for each other.

1223
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 2: It's one of those moments where you're like, you know,

1224
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: watching it, I'm like, oh, their love will transcend this spell.

1225
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: They'll remember, there'll be some kind of inkling about, like

1226
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 2: she'll see him and there'll be some kind of spark

1227
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 2: of recognition and it'll be there.

1228
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 3: And my favorite part is like MJ's like, you have

1229
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 3: to come find me. Yeah, And if you don't, I

1230
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 3: will work it out. And if I work it out

1231
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 3: before you and I find you in trouble, I'm gonna

1232
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 3: suck you up. Trouble is you need to find me

1233
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 3: and tell me what happened. Strange casts the spell and

1234
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 3: and it works. It absolutely works a rass everyone's memory

1235
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 3: of Peter Parker. Peter goes to see MJ and there

1236
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: is no spark of recognition. Ned is there.

1237
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: Ned comes in. They got into m I t they're

1238
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: talking about it. Peter orders a coffee. He talks to

1239
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 2: her a little bit. He's got a speech he prepared,

1240
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 2: but in the end he can't. He decides, you know what,

1241
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 2: our love for each other is there. I love her,

1242
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: but It's safer this way, isn't it. Their lives are happy,

1243
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 2: and it's it's my time to be a hero. I've

1244
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: got this great power. I need to take responsibility and

1245
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 2: not bring everybody into my mess. And he decides, and

1246
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: it's a very tough decision, you could tell. He decides

1247
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: not to not to talk to MJ about their past.

1248
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 2: He goes to May's grave and there he runs into Happy.

1249
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: Happy also does not remember Peter, but he's obviously very

1250
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: heartbroken for May. And so then Peter goes off. He

1251
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: gets a little apartment that everyone who has ever read

1252
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: a Spiderman comic will recognize.

1253
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: With the Spider Man comics.

1254
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna get broke Peter in his tiny apartment now,

1255
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 2: and he begins, you know, looking at police scanners looking

1256
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: for crime in New York City, and it's time to

1257
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 2: become the hero that he was always meant to be, truly,

1258
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: And then we go to our stingers.

1259
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: Stinger one. He wondered what happened at the end of

1260
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: Let there be Carnridge? Where here it is?

1261
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 2: Eddie Brock is sitting there drinking at a bar in Mexico,

1262
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: trying to make sense of this entire superhero situation, like

1263
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: he's in this new universe. There's a lot of superheroes here,

1264
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 2: you say, And Danny from ted Lasso is his bartender, yeah,

1265
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: and is explaining all.

1266
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: This stuff to him.

1267
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 2: And just when it comes time for Eddie Brock to

1268
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: pay the bill, guess what Strange's spell sending all the

1269
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: interdimensional trespassers back to their world kicks in and he disappears,

1270
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: and he's gone, along with Venom.

1271
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: They're gone back to their dimension. But oh, oh wait a.

1272
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: Second, A small doll up of Venom attached to like

1273
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: the Margarita glass, remains on the bar and twitches a

1274
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: little bit, so is still active. Yes, the cymbia is

1275
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 2: in the The symbia is in the MCU Stinger two

1276
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 2: just a full trailer for doctor Strange in the Multiverse

1277
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 2: of Madness. And this is the first we were talking

1278
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 2: about this after the movie. This is the first time

1279
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: the end Stinger has been a full train since the

1280
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 2: trailer for the Avengers in Captain America, the first Avenger.

1281
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 3: And that was really before they'd established the mid credits

1282
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 3: post credits as a classic thing. So the trailer was

1283
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 3: more just like, oh, here's a trailer at the end,

1284
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 3: you know, so it's really interesting to see them go

1285
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 3: back to that and this was like, this is like.

1286
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 2: A long trailer, a long, big trailer with a lot

1287
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: of stuff in it.

1288
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: You see America javes, America javes so much wonder You.

1289
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 2: See Wander in her classic scarlet witch costume.

1290
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff in there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is she and what man wondergll you see schumagoraf

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Speaker 3: ak what they're probably gonna call gag antos. We know now,

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Speaker 3: like it's a lot and I'm assuming that this weekend

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Speaker 3: or Monday they'll probably release it, yes, once people have.

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Speaker 1: Seen it in the theater and watched it.

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Speaker 3: But the kind of really funny implication about the Stinger

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Speaker 3: is there's a lot of stuff from that What If

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Speaker 3: episode four in there. But the funny implication is, so

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Speaker 3: nobody knows who Peter Barker is, which means probably no

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Speaker 3: one knows why doctor Strange did this spell that created

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01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 3: the multiverse so seemingly most of us have madness. Is

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Speaker 3: him basically having to deal with the fallout of doing

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01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 3: a spell for someone he doesn't remember.

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Speaker 1: Because everyone's like, hey, why did you do the spell?

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Speaker 1: And he's like he's.

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Speaker 2: Up next, More Spider Man. We are back with more

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Speaker 2: Spider Man, No Way Home. Now that we've recapped this that,

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Speaker 2: let's dive into some of these things.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I loved this movie. I loved how.

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Speaker 2: Old fashioned comics it was, you know, like really old

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Speaker 2: fashioned comic book stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's the most comics accurate Spider Man.

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01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely, like the pure, almost hokey idea of heroism and

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Speaker 2: sacrifice and what that means, taking responsibility for your actions,

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Speaker 2: taking responsibility for super villains who have hurt you and

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Speaker 2: have hurt other people because it's your responsibility that they're here.

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Speaker 1: Like that.

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Speaker 2: All of that is pure, pure Spider Man in the

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01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 2: most old fashioned, like original nineteen sixties depiction of Spider Man.

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Speaker 1: Way, and it felt really good.

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Speaker 3: It's very silver age, it's very there's these huge, sweeping

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Speaker 3: emotional moments, but there's also this legitimate, like funny comedy

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01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 3: the stuff with the Spider Man. They really are in

1324
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: this humor that is so there with with Spider Man.

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01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 3: It's always like he's broke, which they also play into

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Speaker 3: here which they haven't really done before, which is fun.

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Speaker 3: He's broke and he's also sad, but he's also like

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01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 3: a funny, nerdy dude who can make a joke or

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Speaker 3: do maths and beat doctor Strange. And this really I

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Speaker 3: wasn't expecting this to be such a great Spider Man movie.

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Speaker 3: And I really think, like in my spoiler free review,

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Speaker 3: that was my biggest thing, is like I can't talk

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Speaker 3: about all the things that you want to know about,

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 3: but I can tell you that if you want to

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Speaker 3: see a really great Spider Man.

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Speaker 1: Movie, you're not going to be disappointed.

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Speaker 2: If you love Spider Man, if you love Spider Man comics,

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01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,799
Speaker 2: if you've ever liked a Spider Man movie, you'll fucking

1339
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 2: love this movie at period, you will love it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: some questions, how does the spell erasing the memory of

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01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 2: Spider Man as Peter Parker, How does it work?

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Speaker 1: So I went back. This is kind of based on.

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01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 2: The one One More Day slash A Brand New Day

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 2: kind of paradigm. The first part of that is a

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01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: controversial for the time arc in which, in the wake

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01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: of Civil war, during which Peter had revealed his identity

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01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: to the world at Tony Stark's behest because he was

1348
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: pro registration, his life becomes terrible. Kingpin orders a hit

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Speaker 2: on him at the bullet meant for him hits Aunt May.

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Speaker 1: He's at a crossroads.

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01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: He needs to erase his memory, so he makes a

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01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 2: deal with Mephisto erasing his memory that also erases like

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01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: the possibility that he and MJ would you know, it

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01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 2: basically erases their relationship and also like eliminates the future

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Speaker 2: daughter that they.

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Speaker 1: Were gonna have.

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01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: And then in the Brand New Day paradigm we kind

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01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 2: of see how that plays out. Yeah, and so I

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01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 2: think it'll work like this because all the evidence that

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Speaker 2: Peter Parker with Spider Man still exists, Like if people

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01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 2: mysterios videos still exists on the Daily Bugle hard drive somewhere,

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01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: like j J. Jamison might accidentally like run across and

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01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 2: be like, oh, what the fuck is this? Similarly, MJ

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01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 2: and Ned could like go in their phone and see

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01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: all these pictures of them hanging out with their heart.

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Speaker 2: Who is this?

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01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: The way it works in the comics is not only

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Speaker 2: is the memory erased, but if they are faced with, oh,

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Speaker 2: Peter Parker, who is this? They just kind of will

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Speaker 2: lose interest. So if someone shows Ned and MJ, here

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01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 2: is you hanging out with this guy Peter Parker, they'll

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01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 2: just be like, oh, that's interesting and then not.

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Speaker 1: Care about it. That's how it would work. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's how it work.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a good call because like the ending

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Speaker 3: of the movie, which is so hour ful, where Peter

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01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 3: goes and sees MJ and they kind of there's a

1379
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 3: there's a something like a conversation, a connection, but he

1380
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 3: makes the choice that's very Brand New Day where she's like,

1381
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 3: you know, we knew each other in another life or whatever,

1382
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 3: but it's never a there's no recollection of the deal.

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01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 3: And so I think Brand New Day is obviously like

1384
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 3: Dan Slot gets a thanks in the movie, so this

1385
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 3: is obviously a big inspiration that ending. I was like, oh, yeah,

1386
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 3: they're really doing it, like this is.

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Speaker 1: Pete on his own.

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01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 3: And also, so the really controversial thing about that was,

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01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 3: you know, Peter and MJ married. The editors at the

1390
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 3: time didn't allegedly didn't like Peter and MDA being married,

1391
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 3: didn't like hens.

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01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 2: Thought it's stimy there stymy growth as a character.

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Speaker 3: And the wild thing is that these comics came out,

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01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: you know in the zeros, like Brand New Day was

1395
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 3: like yeah, and Brand New Day came out in like

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01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, and Mary Jane and Peter have

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01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 3: still never actually been clinically together properly after those comics.

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Speaker 3: So I love mj and Peter in the MCU, but

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01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 3: I do think that they're going to use this as

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Speaker 3: a space to introduce a Gwen Stacy or you know,

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01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:17,520
Speaker 3: many of any of Peter's kind of many different love interests.

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 3: And it makes me sad because I feel like they

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01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 3: were so sweet together. But like in a weird way,

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01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 3: this movie is kind of something I think is really

1405
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 3: cool about this movie.

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01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: I didn't expect.

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Speaker 3: We never got a Peter Parker MCU origin, which worked

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01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 3: really well at the time because you don't need it.

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01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 3: We've seen that origin a lot of times. Right, this

1410
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 3: movie actually works as an origin. We leave him where

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01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 3: most Peter Parkers begin.

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01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned that because it really is crazy. Again,

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01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: like when I say, like, I felt the same way

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01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: I felt about Endgame watching this movie, because it's like

1415
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 2: kind of a miracle structurally, like how they did it.

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01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, this is a Spider Man origin story

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01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: in the MCU in five movie, here's a third.

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Speaker 1: Spider Man movie.

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01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So not only does he confirm that he was

1420
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 3: bitten by a spider, which we never heard in the

1421
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 3: MCU before. We also get there with great power moment

1422
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: and we leave him. You know, he's in his broken

1423
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 3: down apartment, he's got his ged book, he's not going

1424
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 3: to college, and he makes his own suit and it's

1425
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,480
Speaker 3: this beautiful bright blue, bright red suit.

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01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 1: That he's sewed on a machine. So somehow this movie

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01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,759
Speaker 1: ends up being an origin story. It's wild.

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01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the spell is such a smart way for

1429
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 3: them to basically do what they in Ultimate Spider Man.

1430
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 3: You know, Peter died and then you had Miles, but

1431
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 3: then Peter came back. But MCU has always been more grounded,

1432
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 3: even in this weird magical space. There's lots of good

1433
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 3: magic jokes in this movie too, So I think this

1434
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 3: is a really smart way of basically, you write Peter

1435
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 3: Parker the person out now, and you can still have

1436
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 3: Spider Man the figurehead, and then when you need Peter

1437
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 3: to come back for that impactful moment, whether it's a

1438
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 3: Miles moment or an MJ moment or whatever, he can

1439
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 3: come back as Peter Parker. So okay, so I have

1440
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 3: a question, who do you think still remembers pa Because

1441
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 3: I believe that's probably one past.

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01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 2: There's gonna be one person, right, there's gonna be the

1443
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 2: one magical, somehow person that remembers Peter. Okay, so this

1444
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,759
Speaker 2: dovetails into my one note. So there's a brief line

1445
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 2: of exchange where strangers like, you fucked up my spell

1446
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 2: five times, and then Peter is like, actually no, it's six, yes,

1447
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 2: six times. Right, So Venom never actually comes into the action, right,

1448
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,799
Speaker 2: we only see him in the center, but he's clearly

1449
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 2: the sixth So of course, like, how would Venom know

1450
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 2: about Peter Parker? It's probably because of HiveMind. The hive

1451
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 2: mind allows the parasite to have the memories of all

1452
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 2: the other like bits of parasite that are across the universe.

1453
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 2: And like in Spider Man three, that parasite knew that

1454
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 2: Peter Parker was YadA, YadA, YadA.

1455
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: That's how they came.

1456
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 2: So Strange banishes all the trespassers, But this dollop of

1457
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 2: Venom stays behind. Now does it make sense that you

1458
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 2: because it's magic, so.

1459
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: You can't really evade it.

1460
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 2: It theoretically doesn't make sense that this drop of venom

1461
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 2: remained behind. But what if this venom is the one

1462
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 2: that remembers like like why would it stay? Yes, if

1463
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 2: it if it binged to evade this part of the magic,

1464
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 2: the magic that banished all the trespassers, then potentially it

1465
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 2: evaded the magic that erased the memory of Peter Parker

1466
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: as well.

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01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 3: That's actually really true because technically Eddie Brook should have

1468
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 3: been able to stay and the venom should have had

1469
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 3: to leave because the venom was the thing that knew

1470
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 3: Peter Parker. But if it evaded this magic, maybe because

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01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 3: it was disconnected from the sentient body or whatever. So

1472
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 3: the magic that's really smart because we talked a lot

1473
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 3: about this, like off the movie and stuff. Obviously, what

1474
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,919
Speaker 3: Kevin Faigi wanted from Sony was the was the symb.

1475
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: You called.

1476
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 2: Also, there's another thing that you called is like that

1477
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 2: said Tom Hardy back to the Sony.

1478
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: Ratting him in these movies, Dude, I love that. Tom

1479
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 1: Hardy was like, fine, you're not gonna let me in

1480
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: the movie. I'm gonna venom so hard.

1481
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna venom harder in this segment than I

1482
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 3: venomed even in both.

1483
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: In the.

1484
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: Incredible he's saying he's calling Tony Stark a tin man

1485
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 3: he's dismissing the bartender, he's dismissing his his family getting blipped.

1486
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 3: He's like, aliens don't care about stones, they just want

1487
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 3: to eat braids. Like he's going hard. But I think

1488
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 3: you're onto something because imagine. I think the reason they

1489
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 3: want the symbia is they could do a Tom Holland

1490
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 3: Venom kind of a black suit Spider Man thing, especially

1491
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 3: now he's by himself. But I think that that's a

1492
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 3: bit I think it's a bit too close to what

1493
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 3: they've been doing already with Venom. But if the Venom

1494
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 3: symbia venomizes other characters, which is very popular in the

1495
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 3: comics and has been a really good marketing tool. Marvel

1496
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 3: sells a lot of pops that are venomized figures and stuff.

1497
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 3: Imagine if the Venom, whoever gets venomized, can remember Peter

1498
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 3: Parker while they are venomized, and that they could want

1499
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 3: to hunt down Pizza Paka, they could do also Again,

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01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 3: this is so dumb.

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01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: I have to say, we don't know if he's still

1502
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: going to be Peter Parker.

1503
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 3: I could see them like making it where his new

1504
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 3: name is like Ben Riley, Ben Ryle.

1505
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: And they do it that way, so he's not a clone,

1506
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: but that's like his new.

1507
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 2: Right so for those so for those who are not

1508
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 2: a deep comic readers of Spider Man, Ben and never

1509
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 2: clone saga, Ben Riley is the controversial for the time

1510
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 2: clone of Spider Man who died and then came back

1511
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 2: and is currently Spider Man right now in the com

1512
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: you know, read Cody Zigler's issue of the current Spider

1513
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 2: Man arc in which Ben Riley is Spider Man. Anyway,

1514
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 2: another thing we called that I guess we should talk

1515
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 2: about because there is Hawkeye is ongoing right now. Is

1516
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 2: you called Matt Murdoch in this movie. I wasn't sure,

1517
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 2: but I called that. If he was, it's gonna be

1518
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: Matt Murdoch from this dimension, no multidimensional Matt Murdoch, because again,

1519
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 2: his law degree would need to work in this world,

1520
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 2: and indeed it does need to work, because he is

1521
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 2: May Parker and Peter Parker's lawyer, although no longer because

1522
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 2: now he doesn't remember who they are, but he did.

1523
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: I think they did a really good.

1524
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 3: Job seeding, he tells happy like he says, I thought

1525
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 3: this was really funny and good as well. Where the

1526
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 3: case is not going to stick against Peter, but happy

1527
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 3: as like a representative Stark Tech. He needs a good

1528
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 3: lawyer because you are the adult. You're giving this child

1529
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 3: drones like please pay for your sins. So I think

1530
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 3: we could see Matt like as happy as lawyer. But

1531
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: really we know that the big the dead evil connections

1532
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 3: are going to be in the TV shows. It's going

1533
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 3: to be Echo, It's going to be Hawkeye, Kingpin, shea

1534
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 3: Hawk definitely shee howk The law connections there with Matt

1535
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 3: are going to be so clear. I couldn't see how

1536
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 3: they were going to do this just because of tonally

1537
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 3: how different it was. But as soon as Charlie Cox

1538
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 3: was on that screen, I was like, how did this

1539
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 3: not happen sooner?

1540
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: Because he just was beautiful in it.

1541
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 3: It was wonderful and they really went for that, like

1542
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 3: you know that recent that Charles soul Dead Evil Roun

1543
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 3: who everyone really loved and like his the tiny little

1544
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 3: red glasses that it just looked so he just fit

1545
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 3: in so well and it just made me very excited.

1546
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 2: It was legitimately two minutes and it was wonderful. Now

1547
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 2: here's my question. We're in the Daredevil Netflix lore is

1548
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 2: this taking place because I would contend that while he's

1549
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 2: probably doing Daredevil shit at this time, it's not like

1550
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: all the way through the seasons, because if this is

1551
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: this is happening, we assume concurrently with hawkeyed is Christmas season.

1552
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 2: We see the Rogers the musical billboard like up in

1553
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: the city, So this is happening as Clint is like

1554
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 2: and his family were in New York City attending the musical,

1555
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 2: as Kate is going to the auction. All of that

1556
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,959
Speaker 2: stuff is happening at once, and the Kingpin is rising

1557
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 2: through the ranks. We're unsure at this point, like how

1558
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 2: powerful he actually is. Is he still just like kind

1559
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 2: of the head of the track suits? Is he bigger

1560
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 2: than that? Is he actually the kingpin of crime in

1561
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 2: New York? Now, in the Daredevil series, Kingpin is established,

1562
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 2: He's the guy, He's the dude. So I guess the

1563
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 2: question is, like, where exactly is Matt in his Daredevil

1564
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 2: arc at this time?

1565
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 3: I wonder if I wonder if the easiest way for

1566
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 3: them to do it is Kingpin was in prison like

1567
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 3: he was in Daredevil, and king he is basically reclaiming

1568
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 3: his crown after being in prison, So he's on a

1569
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 3: re rise, but the people.

1570
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: Who know him know him, and my guess would.

1571
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 3: Be from Matt just casually being able to just pro

1572
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 3: bono work for May Even though there was obviously some

1573
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 3: chemistry there, we also got some nice May doc Cop chemistry.

1574
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: I was loving that ODP from.

1575
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 3: The comics, but like, I kind of imagine that to me,

1576
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 3: Matt thinks Kingpin is gone or is not on the rise,

1577
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 3: and is able to lean a bit more into loyally

1578
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 3: stuff and is kind of in this false safe space

1579
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 3: of like, well, now I can focus on street level

1580
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 3: stuff because Kingpin's not a threat.

1581
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 1: Okay. Surprised that no Miles moraless.

1582
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 3: In this, I was, And I actually I think it's

1583
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 3: one of the few glaring flaws of the movie to

1584
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 3: me is that I understand you made a really good

1585
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 3: point before about them like wrapping. You know, they want

1586
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 3: to wrap stuff up, like they want to wrap up

1587
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 3: these old stories and stuff, which I think is really good.

1588
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 3: But like, I do think people are going to be

1589
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 3: really disappointed. I think it seems obvious.

1590
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 2: There's a little mention Electro, Yeah, it'd be cool if

1591
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 2: there is a black Spider Man.

1592
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 3: He's like, there must be a black Spider Man in

1593
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 3: some universe, and it is a good joke where he

1594
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 3: basically says he thought that the Andrew Garth Spider Man

1595
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 3: was black because like.

1596
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he helps, he helps people, he's from Queens.

1597
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1598
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool, but I.

1599
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 3: Personally was hoping for a bit more than a joke.

1600
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 3: I felt like maybe the second post credits scene. But

1601
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 3: I also do think we just got the reveal that

1602
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 3: Across the Spider Us is going to be two part

1603
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 3: are The first one was so transgressive and radical and

1604
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 3: really changed things. I mean, without that movie, we probably

1605
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 3: don't get this movie. Agreed that we got no way home,

1606
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 3: so I understand why Sony might not be desperate to

1607
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 3: throw Miles in at this point.

1608
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: But I do feel like.

1609
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 3: This movie did set up a New York where Miles

1610
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 3: could exist without Peter Parker. We need a new street

1611
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 3: level hero, but that could also be Kamala Khan, who

1612
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 3: we know is will becoming very soon.

1613
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: Okay, final thoughts about this movie.

1614
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 2: Where does it stand in the Spider Man movie pantheon

1615
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,839
Speaker 2: and where do you have it in the MCU pantheon?

1616
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: I think like clearly, as Phase four stands, this is

1617
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 2: the movie of phase four. This is one of the

1618
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 2: this is I put this in my top level of

1619
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 2: Marvel movies. This was a great one.

1620
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's really I think it's definitely my

1621
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 3: favorite Spider Man movie for me, Like why not just

1622
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 3: go all out?

1623
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: Why not? They?

1624
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 3: They somehow managed to pull this off, And for me,

1625
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,799
Speaker 3: it has that balance that we talked about, the emotion,

1626
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 3: the humor, the action, the drama that they almost like

1627
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 3: the sincerity mixed with that occasional campiness of the many.

1628
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,560
Speaker 3: And also the other reason that it really feels like

1629
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 3: Spider May movie is because of all the villains. That's

1630
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 3: like a number one Spider Man story. That's why the

1631
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 3: Sinister Six is such a thing, you know. So for me,

1632
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 3: definitely my favorite Spider Man movie of all the movies,

1633
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 3: even though I'm still Spider Man three Stan obviously love.

1634
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: That terrible movie. This is Homecoming was my favorite before.

1635
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 3: This is definitely my favorite now and it's yeah, it's

1636
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 3: up there in that top five for me. I mean

1637
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 3: this is like a I remember when thor Ragnarok came

1638
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 3: out right and like just on a quality and tone level,

1639
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 3: I was like whoa, Like this is so different, Like

1640
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 3: this is not obviously a Tiger wy Tt movie or

1641
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 3: a Ryan Coogler movie. It doesn't have the auteur aspect,

1642
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 3: but tonally an impact wise, it feels like that to me,

1643
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 3: like that next level that kind of adds something new

1644
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:06,919
Speaker 3: to the MCU.

1645
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 2: What about you, I completely agree. I would have it

1646
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 2: as my favorite Spider Man movie. I think it's one

1647
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 2: of the best Marvel movies that they've done. I think

1648
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 2: it was the team up movie that Phase four needed.

1649
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 2: And it's just kind of like a magical bit of

1650
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: comic book storytelling that, on the one hand, manages to

1651
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 2: capture what people love about Spider Man that kind of

1652
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 2: again that kind of almost hokey, old fashion, completely sincere

1653
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 2: heroism in the most silver age, as you mentioned, sense

1654
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 2: of a superhero who does good and doesn't kill anybody

1655
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 2: and does their best, almost to the point of being

1656
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 2: ridiculously idealistic with it, but in this way that felt

1657
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 2: so earned and true to whom Peter Parker is as

1658
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:52,879
Speaker 2: a person in the things.

1659
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: He's been through.

1660
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 2: On top of that is this incredible, action packed, hilarious

1661
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 2: adventure of riches that is just a kind of like

1662
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,879
Speaker 2: a feast for action fans, for fans who love excitement,

1663
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 2: but also like is so rewarding as fan service as

1664
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 2: it no matter what your level of fandom is. If

1665
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 2: you're a diehard Spider Man fan, there's Easter eggs in

1666
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 2: here that will reward you. If you just love the

1667
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 2: MCU Spider Man movies, there's Easter eggs in here that

1668
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 2: reward you. If you loved all the Toby Reguire Andrew

1669
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 2: Garfield stuff, there's Easter eggs that reward you. There's just

1670
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 2: wonderful references all throughout, like even going so far inst

1671
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 2: having William Devoue say with the exact look on his face,

1672
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 2: I'm something of a scientist myself. Like, there's all these

1673
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 2: things in there that just reward you for paying attention.

1674
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got and there's everything from you get the

1675
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 3: Easter eggs stuff, you know, on the bridge, the MIT admissions,

1676
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 3: Lady Haka has ASM three, which is a big you know,

1677
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 3: it's a big Dot coc issue, and then you get

1678
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 3: dot cock on the bridge.

1679
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 1: So you got the little notes like that, but you also.

1680
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 3: Get these really satisfying, juicy, emotional narrative endings for these characters.

1681
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 3: Something that I really loved about this movie is like

1682
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 3: Andrew Garfield Spider Man. There's a whole generation where that's

1683
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 3: their spider Man, that's their first spider Man, and they

1684
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 3: didn't get to see what happened to him after this

1685
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 3: really you know, harsh moment. They got a sinister six nod,

1686
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 3: but they never got it. And I love everything about

1687
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 3: this movie, but I really love the idea that that

1688
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 3: Andrew Garfield stands are gonna like finally get their moment

1689
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 3: and get their ending.

1690
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 2: It is so satisfying. Absolutely loved it. I mean it

1691
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 2: just they crushed it. If I hope that everyone here

1692
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 2: got to see it in a good theater, as Rosie said,

1693
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 2: if you didn't see it in a theater where people

1694
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 2: were going crazy, go see it again with that theater.

1695
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 2: Because we were lucky enough, even in a press screening,

1696
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 2: to have a theater that was like ready to go

1697
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 2: and just really really fun experience. They nailed it. Great job,

1698
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 2: Kevin Feige and the whole team. Up next, nerd Out.

1699
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: Welcome to nerd Out.

1700
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 2: In our first listeners submitted nerd Out audience member Megan

1701
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 2: Wright gives us her pitch for nineteen eighty seven's fantasy

1702
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 2: called Classic Sword's Point by Ellen Kushner, which full disclosure,

1703
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 2: I have listened to this nerd Out already and I

1704
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 2: bought the book.

1705
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 4: Hey Jason and the x Ray Vision Team.

1706
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: My name is Megan.

1707
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 4: I live in Brooklyn, huge fan of the show and

1708
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 4: my very niche likely not usable pitch for nerd Out

1709
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 4: is Ellen Kushner's nineteen eighty seven books swords Point. It's

1710
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 4: one of those books I can't believe everybody hasn't read like.

1711
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 4: I can't believe it's not canonical. It's about a swordsman

1712
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 4: named Richard living in a city that doesn't have a name,

1713
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 4: mostly in this skid rowne called Riverside, his quote unquote

1714
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 4: friend Alec, this degenerate university drop out with pretty dangerous

1715
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 4: tastes and a mysterious backstory and a highly intricate political

1716
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 4: plot that these two men get caught up in and

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Speaker 4: then shape to their own ends. And it would be

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Speaker 4: super campy except that it's really really concise. The whole

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Speaker 4: plot takes place in this one city over the course

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Speaker 4: of maybe a few months. The characters are just sumptuous.

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Speaker 4: There's this incredible duchess, and everyone is queer. Everyone in

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Speaker 4: this book that came out in nineteen eighty seven is

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01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 4: like super Hella, out of control gay and this was

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Speaker 4: and is very important to me. I found this book

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Speaker 4: at my public library because I was in middle school

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Speaker 4: and I was very into the girls with Swords genre,

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Speaker 4: most defined for me by Tamara Peers, and Sword's Point

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Speaker 4: has a sequel called The Privilege of the Sword, which

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Speaker 4: has young woman as its narrator. And I went to

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Speaker 4: the library to find that book at the recommendation of

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Speaker 4: someone on an internet forum. It's called Shiroscentral dot com.

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Speaker 4: The library didn't have the Privilege of the Sword, but

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Speaker 4: it was in those days where like if the library

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01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 4: didn't have what you were looking for, you just took

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Speaker 4: home whatever was next to it on the shelf.

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Speaker 1: And so I took Swords went home.

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Speaker 4: And I was not like super clearly aware of my

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01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 4: own queerness at this point.

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01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:25,719
Speaker 1: I was maybe like eleven or twelve.

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Speaker 4: But when I realized that these two main characters, these

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01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 4: two men, were in love with each other, I put

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01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 4: down the book and I ran into the living room

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01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 4: and told my parents. I was so excited. It meant

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01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 4: so much to me, and it still means a lot

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01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 4: to me. That book just yeah, I reread it I

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01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 4: reread Sword's Point once every four years or so. I

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01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 4: wait until I've forgotten the plot because the twists are

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01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 4: really good, and so that I can be surprised by

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01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 4: it again, and then I make everybody else read it too.

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01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 4: I know I'm going really long on this pitch, and

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01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 4: I know the last quest I'm supposed to answer is

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01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 4: what's coming soon in this world that we can look

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01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 4: forward to? The answer is nothing.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing coming.

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Speaker 4: There's just this singular, perfect, decades old diamond of a

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01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 4: book that you can read in a weekend and that

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01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 4: will sustain you forever.

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01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 1: That's my pitch.

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Speaker 4: Read Sorts Point by Ellen Kushner. You guys are great,

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Speaker 4: Thanks so.

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Speaker 1: Much, Thanks Megan.

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01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 2: If you want to be featured, send your nerd out

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01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 2: pitch to x Ray at Crooked dot com. Instructions in

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01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 2: the show notes up next to the Endgame.

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01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:43,879
Speaker 1: Hello Peter, We're.

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01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 2: In the Endgame now, and today we're playing another round

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01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 2: of Assembly Required, in which Rosie and I will pick

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01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 2: our character or item from Spider and No Way Home

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01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 2: to successfully fulfill a randomly assigned mission.

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01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: Chris, what is our mission for today?

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01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 3: All?

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01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 4: Right?

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01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 5: So the mission this week? Given that a few of

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01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,759
Speaker 5: the characters in No Way Home. Jamie fox in particular,

1775
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 5: got a lovely makeover, looking much better than the last

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01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 5: time we saw him.

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01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: I mean we talk about we didn't even talk about.

1778
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:15,919
Speaker 2: The incredible retcon of Jamie Foxx's character from a sexy

1779
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 2: muscle elector amazing spider man to to to No Way Home,

1780
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 2: but con.

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01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 5: Dig you so in honor of that, the challenge this

1782
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 5: week is pick a character for the movie each of you,

1783
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 5: and that character is going to take you to the

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01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,879
Speaker 5: mall for a pretty woman's style shopping spree. The caveat

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01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 5: here is that the budget is as much the person

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01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 5: can afford, and they pick your clothes based on their style.

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01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: Wow, you went first last time, so I will go

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01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 2: first this time. As much as they can afford. Okay,

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01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 2: well wow, well listen, if you want to go big,

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01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 2: that means it's got to be either Norman or Happy

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01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 2: because they're the only ones with a check book. I

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01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 2: just wouldn't feel right having May take me on shopping

1793
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 2: spree when her literal job is like community service and

1794
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 2: running a food bank.

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01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: These are like money.

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01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 2: I don't feel right using money for donations to just

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01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 2: be like let's shop, So of those. Happy is too

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01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 2: much of a sad bitch because of his breakup with May,

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01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 2: and I don't want to hear about it. I just

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01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 2: don't want to hear him going on and on and

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01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 2: on about May. So you know what, he's messy. But

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01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 2: Norman Osborne like, let's do it. I think it would

1803
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 2: be fun. I don't know what I'll end up looking like.

1804
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're gonna kill.

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01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: Me in the middle of this.

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01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're gonna launch a terrorist attack

1807
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 2: on the mall and start throwing pumpkin bombs around. I

1808
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 2: just know that it's gonna be an adventure even talking

1809
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 2: to you, So it's gonna be I'm gonna say, Norman Osborne,

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01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 2: let's go take me to the salon and let's get

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01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,520
Speaker 2: those weird waves put in like comics.

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01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: Let's go Rosie. I absolutely love that.

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01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 3: I think you undred percent when for the right person

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01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 3: when it comes to financial backing.

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01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 1: And he had some nice looks in this movie, the

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01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 1: purple jacket with the green hoodie.

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01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I just need to say, Actually, I didn't

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01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 3: get to talk about this, but I'm so happy that

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01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 3: May broke up with Happy.

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01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: That was like my.

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01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 3: Absolute worst cursed pairing, and I hated it. So the

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01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 3: movie beginning with her breaking up with him and being

1823
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 3: like it was just a fling, that gave me a

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01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,600
Speaker 3: lot of joy in my soul. I am going to

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01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 3: go the opposite route where I'm going to go for

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01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,759
Speaker 3: esthetic over cost, because you went for Norman, who's definitely

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01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 3: the best choice. I would never choose to hang out

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01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 3: with Happy. I don't like him. I'm going to go

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01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:43,639
Speaker 3: for MJ because I am a teenage more goth at heart.

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01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 3: So even if there's only like ten dollars, I know

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01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 3: she's gonna take me to hot topic or a thrift store.

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01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 3: I'll be wearing a black hoodie. I'll just look like

1833
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 3: my normal clothes, but I'll get to hang out with her.

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01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 3: I think she's pretty cool and that would really definitely

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01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 3: represent my style. I wouldn't have to worry too much

1836
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 3: about changing a style even if it is a budget

1837
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 3: shopping spree.

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01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: That's it for the endgame.

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01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 2: Let us know who you think one and use hashtag

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01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 2: XRV endgame to give us your pick.

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Speaker 1: Well, folks, this was a super fun episode.

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01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 2: Big thank you to the great Rosie Night for joining

1843
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 2: us on x Ray, Rosie where can people find you?

1844
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: Hello me on social media?

1845
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 3: Rosie Marx is my Instagram And if you liked any

1846
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 3: of the stuff we were talking about here, you can

1847
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 3: go to Notice where there is a ton of big

1848
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 3: explainers of all this kind of stuff, different theories, digging

1849
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 3: into what the movie means. So yeah, if you want

1850
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 3: to do some reading, that is there for you, as

1851
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 3: well as weekly Hawkeye Easter eggs, which I spent many

1852
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 3: nights finding those eggs for you guys.

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Speaker 1: Folks.

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01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 2: If you want to learn more about what we explore

1855
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 2: in each episode, check out our listener guide to all

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01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 2: things Extra Revision in the show notes or on the

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01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 2: Crooked dot com website. Catch the next episode on Friday,

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01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 2: December twenty fourth for holiday mail bag for y'all, x

1859
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01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 2: new email address is x ray at cricket dot com.

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Speaker 2: If you enjoy it today's nerd Out segment by Megan

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01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 2: and want to share your own thing that you want

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Speaker 2: to promote that you want to say, Hey people, go

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Speaker 2: Drop us an email with a short pitch about what

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Speaker 2: you'd like to pitch on nerd out and we'll get

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Speaker 2: back to you again. The email is x Ray at

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Speaker 2: Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show is produced

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Speaker 2: by Chris Lord and Salt Rubin. The show is executive

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Speaker 2: Gillespie are consulting producers, and our editing and sound design

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