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Speaker 1: married correct for how long? Thirty six years? So how

430
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: did you meet your wife? She into music and or

431
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 1: she just she civilian? Is she in the business? How

432
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 1: did you meet? She was working at Sound City at

433
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: the Front Desk, which was a studio that my manage

434
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: your own and it was a studio that Dave Grohl

435
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:36,959
Speaker 1: did the documentary about mm hmm okay and very well

436
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: everyone who you know a lot of the great people

437
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 1: recorded there. You know, Grol did it because that's where

438
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: Nirvana did never Mind and it kind of changed his life.

439
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: It's where I did Jesse's Girl and Working Class Dog

440
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: and Stevie Nicks recorded there. So he got us all

441
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: together to write a song and be in this movie,

442
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: and then we went out on tour Sound City tour,

443
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: so it became a very well known own studio amongst musicians.

444
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: But now this documentary is a lot of people have

445
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: seen the documentary and they and uh, it's a very

446
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: cool documentary to everyone. Kind of gets together with the

447
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: food fighters and writes a song and then performs it.

448
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: And it sounds like the Comics Strip for music, Like

449
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: there's a documentary about the comic strip. We're all comedians.

450
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: That was sort of the mecca and the iconic place

451
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: with Mitzi Shore. Sounds like that, Yeah, and it's uh,

452
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: this has got great, great music too. There's an album

453
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: out of a Sound City. McCartney's on it and it's

454
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of great songs. Um. But

455
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 1: so my manage your own sound City and she was

456
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: working in she just come out from the Midwest and

457
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: had befriended us the studio manager, Jemima, So Jemima put

458
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: her on the desk and I met her there and uh,

459
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: I was seeing another girl at the times when I

460
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: split up with her. Then I started dating Barbara and

461
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: we got married like five years later. So I talk

462
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 1: a lot on here to successful people who are in

463
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: quote unquote successful relationships. I mean, everything's not rainbows and unicorns,

464
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: but certainly being in a three decade marriage is definitely

465
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: a level of success. So and I hear the most

466
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: interesting tools to relationship success. But now you're adding a

467
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: layer of touring and music and craziness and all that

468
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: must go on with that. So how did you navigate that?

469
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: How do you maintain a successful relationship in an industry

470
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: where that is absolutely not the norm? Um, you marry

471
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: my wife? Really? Yeah, she's Uh, she's amazing and uh

472
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: she's one of those people that everybody loves and she's

473
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: absolutely truthful. She's an absolute people person and that's her

474
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: that's her passion, and she's an incredible spirit, you know.

475
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: And I wasn't always a good guy in the relationship,

476
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: and we've weathered some storms, as any relationship has, but

477
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: we've also had a great close connection and we've maintained that. Um,

478
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: a lot of a couple of times. You know, we've

479
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: gone to count two people we know on counselors and

480
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: not to help us through rough spots. I'm not a

481
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: big believer and not too if you if you hit

482
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: like this, you know you can't get past something. You

483
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: go to a third person that you respect, and or

484
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: you do it along the way, so you're locking the

485
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: door before you get robbed. You know what I mean,

486
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: which is what I got into a relationship. And I've

487
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: had a very challenging childhood, say the least, and I

488
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: got into a relationship and not that long after, which

489
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: is weird. In the beginning, I wanted to get into

490
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: just talk to someone just to navigate a long distance

491
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: relationship and my past and this person. So I think

492
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: I am a big believer too, But I guess what

493
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm getting at. Yes, Mary, your wife, But what are

494
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: some of the tools that you can recall, for example,

495
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: on here, I've heard from many people space like give

496
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: each other a long leash, like you're you and on me,

497
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: And it's a dirty secret that people need space. I

498
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: am in a long distance relationship for the most part,

499
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: and that used to seem so daunting, but then when

500
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: you realize you're in different pods. I have a pod

501
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: with my daughter, I have a pod with my fiance.

502
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: We have a pod when all the kids are together,

503
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: and then the very rare one when I'm alone. And

504
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: that makes it work if you celebrate that and acknowledge

505
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: what it really is and not the optics of what

506
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. You know, and other people have said,

507
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: I don't fix you, I fix myself, meaning I'm not

508
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: trying to change you. I just work on myself and

509
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: you work on you. So I'm curious about from a

510
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: granular level, yes, getting through all that ship knowing that

511
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: there's gonna be shipped too. For young people, they think

512
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: it's a fairy tale and it's all just gonna work

513
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: out because level comp roll, which is the biggest bag

514
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: of bullshit going. So I'm sort of talking about like

515
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: that kind of toolbox of success. Um. I like being

516
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: with her. You know. The one thing I've found this

517
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: lockdown is that we have a great relationship and we

518
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: really like each other, and we have a lot of similarities.

519
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: Were very similar as people, were also very different, which

520
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: is also you know, I think helps the relationship. Um,

521
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: she's really incredible human being. It's been her power. I

522
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: think that's kept us together through hard times. And I've

523
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: been responsible for a lot of those hard times, so

524
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: I can't say that we that we you know, kind

525
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: of did it together. It was her power that I

526
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: couldn't let go. I get it, I really do. That's interesting.

527
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: There's one peacock and then you know, sometimes there's one

528
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: sort of solid tree with the roots that like, there's

529
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: the tree that's sitting there to stump in the middle

530
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: of the wood while you run around and get lost

531
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: in the forest, and then that she's still there. And

532
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: I guess that's an interesting thing for relationships because there

533
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: needs to be a solid rock, and that solid rock

534
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: often is attracted to someone like You're like me, who

535
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: is the you know, the the electric one, and you

536
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: know that they cannot there really cannot only be one

537
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: peacock usually in a relationship, and it seems like it's

538
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: you and it seems like it's me. Um what you

539
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,239
Speaker 1: are feeling about age relationship to it, dynamic with it,

540
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, internal struggle with it, you mean getting all yeah,

541
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: like you know, you're a pop star and you know,

542
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: you know what it's like, I mean, you're you're beautiful,

543
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: you're very handsome, and I'm surprised. I don't know how

544
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: old you are, but if you were doing an album

545
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: at seventy nine, then you're older than I am. I

546
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: don't feel that young. So you're very handsome man. Please

547
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: don't think I'm flirting with you until your barber call,

548
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: and not like it either. I'm just saying it's a fact.

549
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: It seems to be an empirical like a fact that

550
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: you don't look old at all. But you know what

551
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: it's like to be like a team pop idol and

552
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: now you're older and you definitely can't probably move his

553
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: fast and torring doesn't feel the same and you wake

554
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: up and you definitely don't feel the same also, and

555
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: you don't have the same audience. So what do you

556
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 1: think about all that? Um? I always wanted a long career.

557
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: First of all, I'll be seventy two in August, so wow.

558
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: I still do understand that there's a phrase don't let

559
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: the old man in, and that's I'm a big believer

560
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: in that. And I think I always think I'm like

561
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: sixteen and I get up on stage and that it's

562
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: that guy again. You know, it's that kid is still there?

563
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: I think if I couldn't do what I wanted to

564
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: do on stage, i'd certainly stopped playing. I have so

565
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: much fun up on stage that I can't see me

566
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: as a seven year old getting up there and doing that.

567
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: But the guy inside me wants that so much. And

568
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I think that's part of what keeps someone young, is

569
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: that that they're still really passionate about the thing that

570
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: they were passionate about when they were kids. And I'm

571
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: still I still have that drive. I suffer from depression,

572
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: so depression is a lot of my driver as well,

573
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: trying to prove to myself that you know, I'm not

574
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 1: a jerk. Well, it's funny, they say, you know, just

575
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: these sayings it keeps you young, but it is. It's

576
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: like you have an older car and you just let

577
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: it sit in the garage. It's gonna get older if

578
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: you drive it and take care of it. So you're

579
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: out there like working the literal instrument. But I think

580
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you said if you couldn't get up

581
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: there and do what you were doing, and not just

582
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: that you couldn't physically do it, if you didn't think

583
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: you were doing it, well, you'd fold. And I feel

584
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: that way about business and you know, like relevance, things

585
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: like that. There was a documentary about Joan Rivers and

586
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: she said that part of her identity was what the

587
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: calendar said, how busy she was. I'm the opposite. I

588
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: would love for them to be nothing in the calendar.

589
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: And I say, if the tables go cold, I'll walk out.

590
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: When the tables go cold, you walk out of the casino.

591
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: And I'm totally cool with that. Sounds like you're also

592
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: cool with that. It is what it is. Yeah, yeah,

593
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: I think so. People say you're ever going to retire.

594
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: I say, well, if I retired, I just get a

595
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: band together and go on the road, which is when

596
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm doing, you know. But I don't know.

597
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: I don't really I don't really see that and I

598
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: don't know what that means other than I live day

599
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: to day and uh, I'm passionate about it and at

600
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: times I'm not. When I'm not, I don't do it.

601
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: It does sound like comedy a lot, which is so

602
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: interesting because I interviewed Kevin Nealen and I'm finding parallels.

603
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: Who would ever expect the comedy, you know, is like this.

604
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: But we talked about the comic strip and then he

605
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: just like, you know, he says that, look how old

606
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: I am and I live a great life with my

607
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: wife and California, and I get up and I go

608
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: in the shitty hotels and I go do stand up

609
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I like it. I want to connect

610
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: with the people. So it's very interesting and very similar.

611
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: I've actually talked with him and we've we remember talking

612
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: to doing and saying that we did feel kind of similar.

613
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: And I saw instantly that there was a similarity in

614
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: our attitudes. It feels like it. I literally energetically felt

615
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: it from the beginning and the way you approach the

616
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: business and like, you just do it. It's what you do.

617
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: It's weird and you should do He has a hiking show.

618
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: You should tell him that I said you should do

619
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: it because it's weird. Like you guys should just have

620
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: this conversation out of hike. It's just really he's great

621
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: and I just literally see these similarities. Um, you have

622
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: two kids, yes, two thirty five, and what do they

623
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: do and what are they like? And what do they

624
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: how did they grow up? Deffinitely what do they make

625
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: of all this? Well, you know, this was their life,

626
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: This is their home. My dad never brought the army home,

627
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: and I've never brought the whole you know, rock scene home,

628
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: but you know, his guitars everywhere, and they're aware I'm

629
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: recording and doing stuff. And my eldest son's actually an

630
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: amazing musician, but he's also a brilliant actor and he's

631
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: just starting to move on not now. And my youngest

632
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: son is a school teacher and it's very passionate, loves kids,

633
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: and is uh just got married and he's they're both

634
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: actually just really starting to flourish. So I'm very You're

635
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: only as happy as your most unhappy child, so I'm

636
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm very you know, I feel great about them both

637
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: now and uh, I've been dad, but I guess they

638
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: see me also is kind of a friend too. I

639
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: have a great relationship with them both. I took time

640
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: off from my career when they were born to hang

641
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: with them and raise them, and I think that's that's

642
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: paid off for certain what you put in you get out,

643
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: and being present in work is so important that you're

644
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: giving it your all when you're with your audience, that

645
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: you're really connecting with them. But then when you're with

646
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: your kids, it's the same thing people are with their kids,

647
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: but not with their kids. You know, you're on your phone,

648
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: in your online shopping, your social media, and young mom,

649
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: my wife and I see young moms all the time

650
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: in the park with their kids and they're on their phone,

651
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: and we thank you missing well. You know, when we

652
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: had our kids a little, we were with them and

653
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: what enjoying their interactions and being with them, and my god,

654
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: I know it's the death of human interaction. It's different

655
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: high school walking. Yeah, and I see people missing their

656
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: little kids lives, both, you know, the dad and the

657
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: mom because they're on this freaking phone. So we were

658
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: very luckily. It wasn't there for us when our kids

659
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: were a little and we had we were very much,

660
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, a part of their life and with them

661
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: the whole time. We took you know, I took him

662
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: to New Zealand for a TV series I did there,

663
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: and they went to schools in New Zealand for a

664
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: while and they've had a really interesting life. But because

665
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: I traveled so much as a kid, my dad was

666
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: in there, like I said, in the army, and we

667
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: moved every two years, and it was really brutal. Me

668
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: and the new kid in school all the time, and

669
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: I hated that, which is why I ended up hating school.

670
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: And in the end, I got picked out of school

671
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 1: in eleventh grade because it just wasn't working for me

672
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: or for school for that matter. Um So I've we've

673
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: been in this house for like twenty five years now,

674
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: and I always wanted a very stable place to raise

675
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: my kids. I never never what I get there, but

676
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: I think that's been the clulest thing I've done, is

677
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: to find a place where I'm happy. Well that's that's

678
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: just it's a house, but it's metaphorical to living, like

679
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: you said, the rock scene, but keeping your family unit intact.

680
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: It seems like everybody is not wood flourishing and thriving,

681
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: and you've had that sort of base. You have a foundation,

682
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: so you can run around and do all the things

683
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: that you need to do, but you have that nest

684
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: and that foundation to go home to. That I do

685
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: think is very important for people. And it's funny because

686
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: I have been moving and renovating and and when I

687
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: feel uprooted, I feel unsettled. I'm very house proud, and

688
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: I like the feeling of the nesting and the solid

689
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: because I have a crazy life, so I don't like

690
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: when when base camp is threatened, it's it's very unsettling.

691
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: So it sounds like you've kept that intact, which is

692
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: is a great model. Oh so, what has been the

693
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: rose of your career and what has been the thorn

694
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 1: of your career? I don't know. I mean, I can't

695
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: really think of like a one high point in my career.

696
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: It's kind of just been a long journey. Um. I

697
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: think writing writing model on Autobiography was a real high point,

698
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: probably because the most a recent thing. But I think

699
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: just I've I've always loved writing pros and I started

700
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: getting into it and I actually have two novels out

701
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: now because of that, And that's because that's a new

702
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: path for me. I love that. I love writing because

703
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: you can write both songwriting and prose writing. Novel writing

704
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: you can do anywhere. You don't need an audience, you

705
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: don't need someone you know paying for something. You just

706
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: sit down and you do it. And that's been that's

707
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: been a real high point for me. I have my

708
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: second novel out on Audible right now, called World on Fire,

709
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: and we're gonna put that out in book for him

710
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: pretty soon. As well, and that's been a real blast

711
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: for me doing following that path writing music I've been

712
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: doing since I was fifteen. I mean, obviously, you know

713
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: Jesse's Girl being a hit, the first album being a hit.

714
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: That Always remember that because it kind of comes out

715
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: of nowhere. You have no you know, no one's expecting anything,

716
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: no one knows who you are, and it's just the

717
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: power of the music that suddenly makes it, you know,

718
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: to a certain success level. So I've been I've been

719
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: doing that all my life, and it's kind of the

720
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: new stuff that I take on that I look at

721
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: as as high points, you know. Certainly like the rum

722
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: thing with Sammy has been a blast, and uh yeah,

723
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: so I guess it's it's kind of the different things.

724
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: I guess I look at music as my day job

725
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: and the high points although it's an exciting day job,

726
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: the high points of the things that are passion projects. Yeah. Um,

727
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: who do you think is the best musician of our time? Yeah? Like, right,

728
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: of all time and then of this time. Well, I

729
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: mean that covers a lot of ground. You know, you

730
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: get into what you like and you know, I mean,

731
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: one of the greatest guitar players is Tommy Emmanuel and

732
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: you know, not everybody knows who he is. And then

733
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: as you know Paul McCartney, who was idolized as a

734
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: kid because he could he was a great writer and

735
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: a great performer and a great singer, and so he's

736
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: always the one I first kind of come up with,

737
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, because he he was my my guy when

738
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: I was a kid, you know. And then by Beethoven

739
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: is also my mind that he could sit under a

740
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: tree and write a score like that in his head.

741
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: So there's there's so many different levels of brilliance that,

742
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, and then there's the iconic early Elvis that

743
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. You know, I no want to follow.

744
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: He was just following some of the black artists that

745
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: he loved and the country scene. So it's it's such

746
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: a giant palette that to pick one kind of right,

747
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: It's like Italian food, Chinese food, Thai food. There's different

748
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: dishes from different places. But when you're listening to the radio, now,

749
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: who are you like, allow this this this guy or

750
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: girl's looking great, they're good or this is wild? Oh

751
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: new stuff? Well, I mean a lot of it. Maybe

752
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: just I'm getting older and I'm sounding like my parents saying, Oh, Richard,

753
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: that all sounds a sign. But you know, I hear

754
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: the same drum sound, I hear the same writers, I

755
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: hear the same chord progression, I hear the same synthesizers.

756
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: I hear the same melodies over and over. And as

757
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: a musician, you know, you can you know chord progressions.

758
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: You can tell there you're are just using the same thing,

759
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: was trying to sound like everybody else who it was

760
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: a new successful you know, I think there are some

761
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: amazing talents, you know. I mean I think. I mean

762
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: we used to do a version of Roar live in

763
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: my show that like a very rocked up version, and

764
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: we also did the version of what's the Taylor Swift

765
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: song shake It Off? You know? So I mean, I

766
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: I there's a lot of talent out there. But then

767
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: someone comes along like Louis Capaldi, and I go, holy shit,

768
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: there's still room for someone to do something different, and uh,

769
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: you know it's a guy with a staggering voice, and

770
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, just sit down with Billie Eilish too. The

771
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: first time I heard Billie Eilish, I don't okay, this

772
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: girl's stepping out of the norm and that's how you

773
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: notice somebody. I think when you have a longer, longer

774
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: musical view than just like, you know, the last ten

775
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: years or then just like a taste good but it's

776
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: not good for me, meaning you could like the way

777
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: something sounds, but you need to appreciate all the layers

778
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: under in the creativity, which is how I view different products.

779
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: But you you're noticing all the texture and layers that

780
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: everybody else wouldn't necessarily notice. Yeah, I think there's a

781
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, and I still listen to all the bands.

782
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm a band guy, really, and there's not a lot

783
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: of airplay for bands anymore. But you know, I mean

784
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: real bands, you know, you know, play their own instruments

785
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: and write their own you know, write their own songs

786
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: and not That's still really where my heart is. Okay.

787
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: So you're on an island and for whatever reason, for talent,

788
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: for good people, for entertainment and I mean maybe humor

789
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: in addition to music, you're on an island and you

790
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: pick up five musicians in addition to yourself. Who are

791
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: the five people that you're inviting on this island with

792
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: you to spend a long time with your You're on

793
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: a Desert Islands. Five other musicians who are the I

794
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: mean dead or alive? Yes, dead or alive. Um, we'll

795
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: be Hendrix, Uh, Paul McCartney, John Lennon, Tom Petty, Um,

796
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: Joni Mitchell of course awesome. Um well, I won't ask

797
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: you about your thorn because I don't want to end

798
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: on a negative note. But my thorne is my depression,

799
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: which is a threat. It's not like a one time

800
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: thing that happened. It's just like your your thorn of yours,

801
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's created big thornes in my life for sure. Yeah,

802
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: it's funny because I first, for the first time ever recently,

803
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about you know, for me, it's O

804
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: C D. Like I literally, you know, I'm a beyond

805
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: obsessive in perfection and everything has to be in order,

806
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: not in a way where I have to like, you know,

807
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: touch myself five times on one hand or the other,

808
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: or that I can't shake someone's hand, just order, order

809
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: and organization to the point where if it's not perfect

810
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: and I forget nothing, So it's madning, I mean, it's

811
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: also it's also part of you know, your success, and

812
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: my depression is part of my It makes makes me

813
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: feel I have to keep proving myself and I have

814
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: to do better, and you know, because I'm I'm not

815
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: worth it. And so it's I realized when I was

816
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: writing my autobiography that it was actually, you know, it

817
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: was part of my driver, that there's a front and

818
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: the back to everything, And as bad as it makes

819
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: me feel, it's also responsible for I think, my persistence

820
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: and my drive and also the access to feelings to

821
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: you're describing it as just because you want to be liked,

822
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: but I mean the access to lows. I mean, it's

823
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: got to be a lot about what music is about,

824
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: singing about the highs and the lows, and you nailed

825
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: it because likewise, yes, it's exactly I could. There's nothing

826
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: I can't accomplish, finish, I miss nothing. So it's good,

827
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: but it's not good for me. It might be that

828
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: it's good for the music, but it's not good for you.

829
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: But Matthew McConaughey was on this podcast and he called

830
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: these Sharada's book it's really good, really really good and funny,

831
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: but he calls these the green lights. But it's also

832
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: a red light. Like it's a red light because it

833
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: stops you down, But depending upon how you look at it,

834
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: it's also a green light. Yeah, it's a you know,

835
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: I've always believed in yin ya hang and that nothing

836
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: is all good or all bad. It's a mixture of both,

837
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: and you just you have to find the good the

838
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: good part. So again that's you know, it's been with

839
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: me since I was sixteen, so I've learned to live

840
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: with it. So sometimes try to, you know, see both

841
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: sides of the coin. Rick, it was such a pleasure

842
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: talking to you. Is a really different, interesting, textural conversation

843
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: that I really enjoyed and I think the listeners are

844
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy and take away from so. And I so

845
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Happy to do it. Always fun to

846
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: talk to you. So that was Rick Springfield, and that

847
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: was a different conversation. That was a more last textual, granular, warm,

848
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: emotionally intelligent conversation. You know, people have been saying to

849
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: me that they're listening to the podcast and they're hearing

850
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: things that they haven't heard before. And they know these

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