1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson. Master astrologer Marvin Wilkerson is here. 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: Hi Marv, Well, hello there, miss Kelly. That you're tired today. 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: What are we gonna do about that? I mean, you're 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: gonna have to carry me for change? Okay? Fine, Well, 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions about this topic. I 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: told you guys earlier in the month that we are 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: exploring ways to overcome fear. And immediately when we started 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: thinking about fear, I thought about the things that we 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: avoid within ourselves, you know, like the kind of things 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: that we were pressed, the things we don't want to 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: look at, And that triggered the word shadow to me. 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: Which we are in spooky season. There's tons of stuff 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: around this. I feel like it's a huge energy that's 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: really brought forth during this time. UM, And so I 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: wanted you to kind of help us navigate learning or 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: about our shadow, UM, how that plays into our evolution 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: and just the awareness we have about ourselves. Can you 19 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: first explain what is the shadow? The shadow is the 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 1: totality of experience and what is in your subconscious and 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: that totality means all your past lives that need to 22 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: be relevant in this life journey, all your experiences from 23 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: the moment of your birth all the way up to 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: the now. Um. All that programming and conditioning is what 25 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: we call the aspects of how you present yourself and 26 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: how you act out all your shadow issues or your stuff. Now, 27 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: if you if you just think of this concept as 28 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: ye are all God's uh, and that's what Jesus said, well, 29 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: then where are you in comparison to the perfection of God? 30 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: Because that's the judgment that you're going to pass on 31 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: yourself when you transcend this um, When you transcend this 32 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: little self in this life and this body, you're going 33 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: to the high self addresses the soul self and it, 34 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: and the soul acknowledges and accepts responsibility for its failures 35 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: as well as successes. And this is why it's so 36 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: important to listen to feelings and the soul, because the 37 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: soul is leading you to a greater self realization and 38 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: perception through guiding you through the ins and situations and 39 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: people experiences in your life so that you can see 40 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: what's in your shadow, what's in your subconscious, what's in 41 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: your actions, reactions, to the world. So the way you've 42 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: helped me understand this is and I want to kind 43 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: of take it back for a second. But when we 44 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: come to this world as humans, you know, we face 45 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I feel like the lessons that we 46 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: face look like punishments. But the reality is when we 47 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: come to this world as whatever human form we've decided 48 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: to come as we um take in are we bring 49 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: in certain lessons for our evolution, so like for us 50 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: to grow, for us to become more enlightened to our 51 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: higher selves. And the shadow is something that we don't 52 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: necessarily see, right, I mean, it's within ourselves, Like it's 53 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: the stuff that we repressed, the stuff that we don't 54 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: want to look at, the stuff that's actually driving us 55 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: way more than we are aware of. But the stuff that, 56 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: like you're saying, could even be from past lives, if 57 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: we've treated people poorly, are things that we need to 58 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: make amends with in this lifetime. What do you think 59 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: about what is not adequate? What what the word adequate 60 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: means in consciousness when it's not entered adequately in consciousness? 61 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: This this has the interpretation of you've got an experience 62 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: of a perception and a perspective of what that experience 63 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: means to you. So you're forming an opinion, a judgment, 64 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: and a reality based upon a miscreation in mind. Yeah, 65 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: and so uh the shadow and what you're trying to 66 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: do is go act and reface the situations that were 67 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: not adequately or received from a proper perspective and perception 68 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: to experience them again. So this is why most of 69 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: the time, some of these things are very painful, because 70 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: you learn best from pain and you don't forget from pain. 71 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: And so when the and the final analysis, the only 72 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: way that you're going to move through the shadow and 73 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: accept what the shadow has to offer is to take 74 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: responsibility for creating every single aspect of your life. Okay, 75 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: give us an example. Well, in other words, uh, when 76 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: you are all gods, this means you are a co 77 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: creator of your reality. Well, reality is one ten thousands 78 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: of a second. You don't see reality. All you see 79 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: is what's in personal consciousness and keeps you safe and 80 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: keeps it organized, so you feel comfortable walking this three 81 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: dimensional planet. But that doesn't make it so, that doesn't 82 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: make it right, that doesn't make it Okay. So you're 83 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: creating events and situations, whether they're with other people, especially 84 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: with relationships and it and experiences things that don't work 85 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: out like we want, and then us throwing hissy fits 86 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: because it didn't, it didn't, it wasn't what we wanted. 87 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: In other words, you're battling your ego, aren't you. And 88 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 1: what did I write about the ego? Well, the ego 89 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: refuses to accept responsibility for it, for anything that makes 90 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: it wrong. M m oh yeah, yeah, And so we 91 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: must find balance between the ego and the personality um 92 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: our experience through life, which is most left of center, 93 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: and likewise, our capabilities and enlightenment is mostly right a center. 94 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: So when you're talking about shadow, you're wanting to experience 95 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: the center. You want to stand in the middle. You know, 96 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: we all have a shadow, and so when we talk 97 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: about repression of a shadow of the experience, well, that's 98 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: where we couldn't We couldn't accept what was weird we 99 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: were experiencing, so we had to shove it down. In 100 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: other words, when you're seven years old and your parents 101 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: are screaming at you or doing whatever, or um making 102 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: you feel pain and hurt and uncomfortable, or a teacher 103 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: dressing you down for whatever, raption you, there's nothing for 104 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: you to do. You can't run, you can't fight, So 105 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: you must push it down inside of you because you 106 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: can't deal with it in the moment. Well, that's called repression. 107 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: And when you can't deal with something in the moment 108 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: all at all, repression must come out. And when it 109 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: comes out, it's going to be distorted because it's going 110 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: to be objectified by some other people, places or event. 111 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: So let me like give so a lot of times 112 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: I think we draw these in, these things in via relationship. 113 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: So say we're talking about a love relationship, and if 114 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: someone has stuff from their childhood. This is why we 115 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: hear so much nowadays about you have to heal your 116 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: inner child to be able to have a healthy adult 117 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: relationship because and what they mean by that is if 118 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: you don't heal you know, even that example you just 119 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: gave your parents yelling at you when you're seven, If 120 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: you repress that, you never address how much that hurt, 121 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: you never feel the pain of that. You're going to 122 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: then transmute the pain, take that pain, and what you're 123 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: saying about objectify it via another human you'll draw in 124 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: a relationship from someone else, or like say you meet 125 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: what you think to be the love of your life, 126 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they start yelling at 127 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: you in the same way, and you're like, but you 128 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: have a big reaction finally, because all of those feelings 129 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: have been repressed for so many years, and then all 130 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're like or whatever. Your reaction may 131 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: look like, maybe it's shut down, maybe it's crying, maybe 132 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: it's whatever, but whatever that's seven year old actually needed 133 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: to feel in that moment but probably didn't have the 134 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: capacity or capabilities of doing that because they were seven 135 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: will then come out as an adult. Am I getting 136 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? Because when yeah, like the seven year 137 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: old's pretty ugly, it's not a cute I'm not looking 138 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: at you, Kelly. Well, I mean it's not. I've had 139 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: my moments, but yeah. So it's interesting because it's like 140 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: when we have these repressed things, that's when you're is 141 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: it your subconscious starts to pick people to bring that out. 142 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: Like I always say, we pick partners that are going 143 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: to mirror back to us the pain that's not healed 144 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: so that it can be healed. Like that's a different 145 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: way to look at picking quote unquote the wrong partner. 146 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: When we say our pickers broken. Well, no, it just 147 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: needs to be healed. It's been hurt or you know, 148 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: maybe broken from something when you're younger or in the past, 149 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: and it's looking to be healed. So it brings in 150 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: a person who's going to bring that stuff out of you. 151 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yes? But but let's add this, let's 152 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: add this understanding to it. So your parents are respond 153 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: sable for programming you with your crap that you didn't 154 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,599 Speaker 1: get rid of last lifetime because you formed the perception 155 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: creation and error. So you have to be programmed with 156 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: that same inner energy, that same experience, so that ultimately, 157 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: as you do grow older, mature, wiser, hopefully that you 158 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: really you choose to respond in a much better, more 159 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: enlightened way, or just in a just a better way. 160 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't cause the pain. This is like when you 161 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: have a bad relationship, Well, isn't it kind of stupid 162 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: to go get the same person in the next relationship? 163 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: How often does that happen at? Okay, So the point 164 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: being is is you've got to what we call it 165 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 1: in therapy, is we call the initial sensitizing event that 166 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: just initial sense of tiging event of the time was 167 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: all created before the age of seven. So the prep 168 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: parents are the programmers of what you didn't experience correctly 169 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: or let enter adequately into your consciousness, your past life 170 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: experiences in this life, so that now you'll get it 171 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: projected onto you so you can then heal it with 172 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: insiety yourself by taking responsibility for creating it. Okay, let's 173 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: see what you're saying. You know, some people listen to 174 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: this stuff and I think they're like, what are they 175 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: talking about? Because you know specifically, like I grew up 176 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: in a Christian household and I went to Christian school, 177 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: and I actually don't not believe you are, Like, there's 178 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: still ways that I use Christianity in my life, or 179 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: teachings from the Bible. You and I talk about Bible 180 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: versus all the time, or stories from the Bible. My 181 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: view has expanded, I think past that or like, it's 182 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: just there's a bigger view now. And um, so this 183 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: isn't like a knock on any religion of any kind. 184 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: This is just a different kind. It's like a deeper 185 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: understanding for me personally. Um. But if you don't believe 186 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: in past lives, how would you sort through this in 187 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: your head? Well, because the this creation, this perception was 188 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: when you were seven five. I don't understand. Okay, so 189 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: when the sensitizing event was created, I have to do 190 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: I rarely have to do a regression anymore for what 191 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: to show you what happened in this lifetime? I mean, 192 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: what's the point of that when you've already you, when 193 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: you had the experience in this lifetime that you need 194 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: to work on that your soul is with you helping 195 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: you work on that specific problem. So let's say if 196 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: we have a relationship issues, if we are if we 197 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: are extremely independent, or extremely self absorbed, or extremely narcissistic, Well, 198 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: are we not naturally going to have to draw the 199 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: polarity to that, Yeah, we didn't. We have to have 200 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: a parent that was either narcissistic or extremely angry or 201 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: or any one of those things, don't. We have to 202 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: have them to get it modeled so that we take 203 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: that in and then we have to see that model 204 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: creates nothing but pain and frustration in a relationship because 205 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: being being in that kind of pain through being self absorbed, 206 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: being selfish, being narcissistic, being angry, is not going to 207 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: work as a relationship now right, So it's all programmed 208 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: in this life. Whether you want to accept our lifetimes 209 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: or not, but make I don't care, because I'm going 210 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: to find the problem in this life and when it 211 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: was imprinted, and then I can do something about helping 212 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: to heal the child. I just had a client here 213 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: last week, very spiritual, highly intuitive, and he's got and 214 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: he's got trouble within the marriage, and he's got a 215 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: he's got a triangle going on the words, he's got 216 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: to a paramore. So I took him into a very 217 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: high level in a hypnotic state, and what he heard 218 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: was love the little child, like I love you. And 219 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: that impacted him damn near to tears because he had 220 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: had a you know, a life, a child life that 221 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: was you know, less than magnificent, less than uh, you know, acceptable. 222 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: But you see, look, how do we know what we 223 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: have when we're six and seven and five. We don't. 224 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: We don't even have a way to define it until 225 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: we get older, and then we use this conditioned in 226 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: programming language to then define and say, oh, I was abused, Well, 227 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: I said, who, No, you had an experience. I mean, 228 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: we may call it abuse abusive, but so what it's 229 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: your abusiveness? You were the abuser. Why why would Cahill 230 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: Lebroun say the murdered is as guilty as the murderer. 231 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, because I don't understand. Because that's the 232 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: armit game we all play. You've been every polarity and 233 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: both sides of the polarity throughout all your lives or 234 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: just this one. It doesn't make any difference. See, all 235 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: negativity is within us. All negativity is within us. But 236 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: I like it. What um William Miller's had to say 237 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: in The Golden Shadow is that we don't necessarily have 238 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: to um express our shadows side to the outer world, 239 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: but we do have to understand it's in there, so 240 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: we can We can show the outer world what we 241 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: would like to be seen, but we can't hide our 242 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: shadow from ourselves. Yeah, see that that's not You know 243 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: that it is not. That's not going to help you 244 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: accomplish uncovering the gold within the shadow. Take think of 245 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: what this says in a showdown, God favors the shadow 246 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: over the ego. Why would he? Why would that be 247 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: because the shadow is more real than your ego. Your 248 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: egos a liar. The ego wants only what it wants 249 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: and makes everything else wrong and negative. That ain't your 250 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: that ain't self realization, that ain't who you are. So 251 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: uh with all the dangerousness dangerousness, you can't know you 252 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: until you incorporate what's in your shadow. It's interesting because 253 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 1: I think your shadow is so hard to look like 254 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: even when you just said a thing about whatever abuse 255 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: you've gone through, like that's in you to I mean 256 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: that just like gut punched me and I'm like, ah, 257 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: that is just an awful because I think the shadow 258 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: is so it to look at right, Like we don't 259 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: want to see the reflection of ourselves in that way, 260 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: like at all, Like I don't want to see myself 261 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: as situations that I've seen or been in that are ugly. Okay, 262 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: but let's think about what Pama Choldre said. The essence 263 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: of bravery is being able to uh be without self deception. 264 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: It's not easy to take a straight look at what 265 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: we do. Seeing ourselves clearly is initially uncomfortable and embarrassing. 266 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: The train as we trained in clarity and steadfastness, we 267 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: see things we prefer to deny. Judgmentalness, pettiness, arrogance. They're 268 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: not sins but temporary and workable habits of the bond. 269 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: So you see, God is everything there. You see we 270 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: make things good and bad. Mm hmm. Well, when you 271 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: decide that you're not going to live in polarity and 272 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: offer opinion, perception and judgment, well then you can start 273 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: reconciling who you really authentically are. As long as you 274 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: want to deny any aspect of who you are, well 275 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: then you'll never be self realized. I like what um 276 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: um uh, I like what Zaga rou said. If you 277 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: allow experience of the past to overshadow your future, you're 278 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: ensuring there is no future in your life, just recycling 279 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: the recycling the past. Think about that for a second. 280 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: If you don't come to acceptance of who you are 281 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: internally that shadow, well, then you're just recycling your responses 282 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 1: to life that you've always responded and God's got forever 283 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: it don't care if it takes you three lifetimes to 284 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: figure something out. I mean, you know ed your Casey 285 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: talked about people gaining in a lifetime, losing in a lifetime, 286 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: gaining and losing and then regaining, So I mean, you know, 287 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: it's just not an automatic that you come to a 288 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: conclusion to self realization. And authenticity, but coming to an 289 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: acceptance that you have negative thoughts. I mean, this gets 290 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: us back into understanding what what Who rules this world? 291 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: Who rules the physical world? And the physical world we 292 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: do right? No, but what's why of the physical world? Well, 293 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: it's not God the president, it's Satan. Satan is the 294 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: angel that by God to rule the physical world. And 295 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: Satan is conscious always in your conscious mind, trying to 296 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: get you ensnared and trapped by the physical world and 297 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: all the connections the physical world has to offer. I mean, 298 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: what did he offer Jesus? He offered him everything of 299 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: this world because this is his world. Satan is an entity, 300 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: Satan is a being. He's real, and so would you 301 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: understand your ego is his? Uh? That that's his um 302 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: tool is to rule your ego mind, your personality mind, 303 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: which will not allow you to be wrong. Mm hmm. 304 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: But your subconscious mind is waiting for you to discover 305 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: where you are in error in perception, where you don't 306 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: adequately allowing consciousness to come to different conclusions perspective and 307 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: perceptions about truth. Why is that so hard for us, 308 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: just that battle between the two. Well, because because the 309 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: conscious mind is conditioned you're growing up through language, through 310 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: how the mother father programmed you, your teacher's programmed you, 311 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: your your siblings, your friends, society that whoever you admire. 312 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: All of those are programmers and they're all using language. 313 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: But guess what. The subconscious mind doesn't use language. It 314 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: uses visions, imagery, dreams, feelings, all your physical senses. And 315 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: so when you're using language of the subconscious mind, well, 316 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: for the average person, that's visualization of what you do want. 317 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: When you visualize what you do want, well, then the 318 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: brain creates it. You don't create it. Now that's a 319 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: hard concept for most people to accept. You do nothing. 320 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: Your subconscious mind creates of your reality. So you're creating 321 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: of your reality based on the subconscious mind, which has 322 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: all these uh preconceived notions, perceptions, perspectives that are all 323 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: in error, that are not truth, and they all come 324 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: from experience. So right, So that's like when we go 325 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: through something and then we have a fear later, or 326 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: like you're traumatized by a certain situation and then you 327 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: go into another situation and you have something driving you 328 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: because you're trying not to recreate that same situation. So 329 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: then you get into then you become a scorpio, and 330 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: you become power and control oriented to where you try 331 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: to control everything and manipulate so that you don't have 332 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: that fear or that you don't face that problem. See, 333 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: scorpio is actually the first side of realization of spirituality. 334 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: You're you are trying to decipher between what you're desire 335 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: is and God's desire for your life. So the willfulness 336 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: has to be broken in scorpio. As we're we're balancing, well, 337 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: we're balancing the leo, which is we're balancing coming into 338 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 1: the realization of the ego and the individualate itself. And 339 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: then we're balancing how to how to take that willfulness 340 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: and turn it into thy will, not my will be done. 341 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: I have to say that every morning, sometimes multiple times 342 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: a day. Well really, all you have to sue is 343 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: what is mine to do today? Next right step? That's 344 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: how I say it. But yeah, okay, So whatever the 345 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: ego does not wish to express, but whatever in er 346 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: or outer based reason is repressed into the personal unconscious, 347 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: so it becomes part of the shadow. So when did 348 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: go ahead? The egos primary job is engaged in its 349 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: own defense and furtherance of its own ambitions. So your 350 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: conscious thinking mind, which is losing language that has been 351 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: conditioned and programmed in you from all your programmers, is 352 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: how you're going to speak to yourself if you become 353 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: self abusive. It's all lies. It's it's just a conditioning 354 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: of what you've been taught. Those words, words aren't true. 355 00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: So the ego Satan is trying to just attach your 356 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: life to this world. You are not of this world, right, 357 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: You're not your mind, you're not your body. You're a 358 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: spiritual being living in a physical body. That is true 359 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: what you said. How we try to label something as 360 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: good or bad. I mean, I'm very guilty of that. 361 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: And it's like, especially with people, like certain actions like 362 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: that's okay, this isn't And it's like the whole point 363 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: that I hear you saying is what is it bringing up? 364 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: What is it showing me? What is the lesson here? 365 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: It's not like labeling everything is good or bad, or 366 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: that person is a monster, this person is not. It's 367 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: because we have all of we all have it within us, 368 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: which is still a really hard concept because like there's 369 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: certain people that I've met that I'm like, no, you're 370 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: a fucking asshole. And then there's other people who I'm like, 371 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: you are a loving, kind and generous person. And so 372 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: how do you clear that? Because you have to understand 373 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: we cannot see, uh, anything in somebody else that is 374 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: not in us. Yeah, you spot it. You got it. Kelly, 375 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: You're an asshole, I guess so. Kelly, You're a wonderful, 376 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: sweet human being that I love very much. But you 377 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: have to understand we cannot recognize anything in anybody else 378 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: that we don't carry within ourselves. So if you come 379 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: up against an asshole, you say, Okay, what are they 380 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: showing me about me? Ah? Now you're digging into your 381 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: own asshole shadow. So if I'm like, well, she's a narcissist, 382 00:29:51,640 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: then crow, I don't like that, don't Yeah, But it 383 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: gives you the ability to correct the adjustment of how 384 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: not to express a narcissistic tendency. So what's the opposite 385 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: of narcissism. Well, I don't know, because I would have 386 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: said codependency. The opposite of narcissism is to be ultimately 387 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: caring about others, even greater than yourself. I mean, that's 388 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: what joy and love and humanity is all about. Yeah, 389 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 1: And so you see the opportunity you're getting when we 390 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: do judge, But when we judge, we have to create 391 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: what we've judged. I always say, like, no person is 392 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: all good or bad, like nobody as much as someone 393 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: might have treated you. Really, I think I'm talking specifically 394 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: about relationships here. Um, maybe they don't treat others that 395 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: way or you know, like there's certain I don't. I 396 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: do not believe that all that people are all good 397 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: or bad. Um, but it's tricky, Like I'm just I'm 398 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: struggling because I've had experiences where yeah, and maybe this 399 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: is just I just need to recognize the way that 400 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: it's made me feel so that I can make sure 401 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm not doing those behaviors to other people, because I'm 402 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: sure I have, you know, like unknowing me, and I 403 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: think that's probably but that would be like human children said, 404 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: super embarrassing to me. If I've had certain people in 405 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: my life treating me in ways that I'm like disgusted 406 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: by that I would treat someone that way like that, 407 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: That is an awful thought to me, that I would 408 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: ever treat someone that way. But but seeing that and 409 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: then recognizing it in you gives you the opportunity to 410 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: make an adjudgment and choose how you would rather respond. 411 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: This is why twelve step programs work because when you're 412 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: doing your twelve steps, you do a fourth step inventory, 413 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: and there's all these questions and it's like you could 414 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: be if you're in a relationship with an alcoholic, for instance. 415 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: Well then you start answering all these questions and you're like, 416 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: you see these parts of your behaviors that were controlling 417 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: or manipulative, like all the things that you want to 418 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: say about them, just like you're saying. And so it 419 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: kind of lowers the capacity for your ability to judge 420 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: someone else because you recognize, oh, hey, I'm not perfect either. 421 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: Well you don't even have to say I'm not perfect either. 422 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: You just have to recognize it, recognize it's where it's 423 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: in you, and you have to consciously choose how you 424 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: would would prefer to respond. M hm okay, yes, that 425 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: makes sense to me. So you have to always understand 426 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: God is the god of everybody. Well we're fighting a 427 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: hundred more is around the world. You think he's on 428 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: one side, not the other side? Right now? I don't Okay, 429 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: Well then there you go. Everything is out there. I 430 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: like the way David Hawkins puts it, this world is 431 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: where we come into journey to learn about are inadequate 432 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: in consciousness experiences, and this world offers every single soul 433 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: on this planet, through experiences, the opportunity to become self realized. 434 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: So when you get good enough, uh self aware enough, 435 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: self realized enough to understand that's just an amusement park 436 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: out there, you're just to have fun. You're just to 437 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: enjoy what's in the amusement part, good, bad, and different. 438 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any difference. You do not have to 439 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: form a judgment about it. But you can decide what 440 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: you want in your life. You can decide what you choose, 441 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: what you want and how you want to be as 442 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: your own authentic, self realized person, right, because I don't 443 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: want to give the message to people like there's a 444 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: lot of people who listen to these podcasts that you know, 445 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: listen for how to have a healthy relationship kind of things, 446 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: and so you know, like you're in a bad situation, 447 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: you shouldn't stay That's like it's like, yes, what is 448 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: it reflecting back to you? And maybe it's like a 449 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: lot of times for me too, it's like if someone 450 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: talks to me poorly. I'm so mad and I'm like, 451 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: you're terrible. But then I realized I'm talking to myself 452 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: that way most of the time too, So that, to 453 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: me is what I need to pay attention to, because 454 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: it's like, how can I ask someone else to talk 455 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: to me better if I'm not willing to talk to 456 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: me better? That makes sense, Yes, it makes perfect sense. 457 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: That's exactly what the whole journey and the point is. 458 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: It's self discovery. And so I mean, you know, uh, 459 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: this is you know what I've said it many a time, 460 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: Love yourself like you want to be loved. But I 461 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: like what um um, I think it's Hilbroun said, love 462 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: love of a person. Give your hearts, but not into 463 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: each other's keeping, For only the hand of life can 464 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: contain your heart and stand together, yet not too near together, 465 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: for the pillars of the temple stand apart, and the 466 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 1: oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other's shadow. 467 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: So what we do when we fall in love is 468 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: we hero worship. We think there's a characteristic about them 469 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: that's greater than us, and we want to be like that. 470 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: And then when we find out in time that we 471 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: have the capability of being that, then we want to 472 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: take our power back, and then that's that caused his 473 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: own struggle. You always say that's me because I have 474 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: so many women in my life who are these strong, powerful, brilliant, 475 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: amazing smart women. And you're like, I'm telling you about 476 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: my friends and you're like, well, that's because that's in 477 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: you two, which is such a compliment, because I respect 478 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: expect all my friends so much, But we do we 479 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: draw in either side of ourselves, the good and the bad. 480 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and then we get to choose which 481 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: one we accept and which one we don't. And so 482 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: why does God love the shadow more than because it's authentic, 483 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: because it's true, it's more honest, more honest. Yeah, it's 484 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 1: also like it as embarrassing, Like that word keeps coming 485 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: to my into my awareness, but it's like embarrassing to 486 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: think about the shadow. But it's human. It's like that's 487 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 1: the part where it's like, if we can accept that, 488 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: then none of us are any different than the other people. 489 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: None of us are better, none of us are worse. 490 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: It's like I'm just saying, like the word embarrassing is 491 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: probably the wrong one, even though that's the emotion that 492 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: I felt immediately. It's more like, no, this is just 493 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: the reminder that you are also human. You are not perfect, 494 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: you are not You don't get to sit on your 495 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: pedestal and judge other people because we have all sorts 496 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: of things inside of us too. Yeah, I mean that 497 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: was what William Miller said in The Golden Shadow. We 498 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: all have many undesirable characteristics in our persona. Likewise, for 499 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: each shortcoming, fault, bad habit and missing the mark, there's 500 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: an equal opposite positive trait and our shadow. So, in 501 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: other words, all that we repress, there's gold flakes in 502 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: what we repressed. There's talents abilities in that repression. Give 503 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: me an example of that. Well. In other words, when 504 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: you think of yourself in a negative way, like you're 505 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: not as smart or capable and some of your powerful women, 506 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: when you realize that you are authentic and powerful and smart, 507 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: then you can start expressing the characteristics of a powerful, 508 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: smart woman, and then you can become even greater than 509 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,760 Speaker 1: what you are today, which is what we all wish 510 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: to do. So the golden the golden shadow, the golden 511 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: characteristics is the gold. When we repress high aspects of 512 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: who we are, we're hiding with some of the gold too. 513 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 1: So when we become less less guilty, when we become 514 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: less fearful, when we become more authentic, when we're willing 515 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: to stand in front of a mirror and accept some 516 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: of our negative traits but not but not to express 517 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: them because we choose not to, then we can become 518 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: a more whole person standing in the center, you know. 519 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: And I put that last time in there because I 520 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: love that golden shadows side. I'm always talking about whatever 521 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: you hide, you're hiding gold flakes too. But David ritchio 522 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: Um in the Shadow Dance talked about gold um. Gold 523 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 1: is the an element that's resulted from expanding and contracting 524 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: heating and cooling of hydrogen sixteen billion years ago. So 525 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: when we think of gold in the alchemy sense as 526 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: being human, this is like all of creation. It's the 527 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: combination of opposites heating, cooling, expanding, contracting. Thus, gold is 528 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: about transformation and about time. It's the enduring elements of 529 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 1: befriending the shadow and the dark gold of the psyche. 530 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: So that here again reinforces the concept that there's talents, 531 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: tools and abilities you're hiding when you're trying not to 532 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: express the parts of who you authentically are. See, when 533 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: you have no fear of of creating or doing or 534 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,280 Speaker 1: being involved with something with some of your negative characteristics, 535 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: because you've recognized them, you've you've made adjustments to how 536 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: you want to respond to that. Well, then you can 537 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: stand in the center and your own like and you're 538 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 1: not Yes, yeah, it doesn't mean that I can't be angry, 539 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: because I can, Yeah, in two milliseconds before I get angry, 540 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: as they wait a minute, is this really worth? What 541 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: am I trying to protect here by being angry? Because 542 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: anger is nothing more than the shield of protection. That's interesting, 543 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, go ahead. Well I was gonna say 544 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 1: it's interesting because that was what when you first started 545 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: talking about the shadow and recognizing the stuff and somewhere 546 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, like I've said this already, but my I 547 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: was initially like no fucking chance, Like that's I wasn't mad, 548 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: and I still am grappling with some things in my 549 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: life where I feel this like unjust nous and that 550 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: is a real that's a real struggle of mine, and um, 551 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: that's probably part of my shadow. Is this like fairness? Yeah, 552 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: it's unjust because you perceived that it is unjust because 553 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: you perceived it as a transgression because of an old 554 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 1: experience that you didn't clearly see adequately what was truly 555 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: all about. You didn't take responsibility. I won't take responsibility 556 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: for who you are what you are when you're eight, nine, 557 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: thirteen years old. But I mean, you know it's for me. 558 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,839 Speaker 1: It's when you hit twenty. When you hit twenty, you're 559 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: an adult. When you hit twenty. You need to take 560 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: anstibility for you who you are, and stop all this 561 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: nonsense about oh my parents did to this, somebody did 562 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: it to me, and nobody did nothing to you. You 563 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: don't come in this life a victim, nor do you 564 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 1: leave this life a victim. Everything you experience is totally 565 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: in your ball game, m and you have to figure 566 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: it out, and that's your job. That's what the journey is. 567 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: But you have to look at it to figure it out. 568 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: So like you were like kind of saying it like wow, wow, 569 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: my parents did this me, or you can look at 570 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: it and be like, oh, this did happen, so like 571 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: what what did that create for me? Because of that? 572 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: Like that experience that we created. That's fine. I'll get 573 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 1: on board with that. Does that Is that fair? Well, 574 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: he certainly is fair because if you don't look at it, 575 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: how do you even recognize your shadow later? Well, that's 576 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: the point. So that's why you stand before a mirror. 577 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: And that's what Pama Shoulder said. It takes a lot 578 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: of bravery. Uh, this is why I get so mad 579 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: at people because I'm like or if someone's like, oh 580 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 1: you you know, wow, wow this happened to you, and 581 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, bitch, I'm sucking looking at it. So like 582 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: because I'm looking at it to make changes in my life, 583 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: because I've obviously drawn in these experiences, chosen these relationships 584 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: for a reason. I did not act perfectly in any 585 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: scenarios in my life. I would never claim that, but like, 586 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: there are reasons I brought in certain relationships because they 587 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 1: did bring out certain things in me that I do 588 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,760 Speaker 1: not like, like and I don't want to be certain 589 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: ways that I was or even as a child, like 590 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 1: not being able to maybe make choices of certain kinds 591 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: or I don't know what the deal is there, but like, 592 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm recreating certain scenarios in my life because I want 593 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: to heal it. Obviously, and so this isn't any one's fault, Like, 594 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 1: I don't look at it that way, but I have 595 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: to look at it, and that is very difficult. I 596 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: think a lot of humans, like our tendency is to 597 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: want to repress it and push it down. Right. Yeah, 598 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: the stuff gets me really mad because I get come 599 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: out a lot of you're you're you're at the point 600 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: to where you're looking at it as its responsibility and 601 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: what you do want and don't want. M that's that's 602 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: far in a way above the norm. I got a 603 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:35,839 Speaker 1: ninety year old mother that's still talks about, well, they 604 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: had a hard time growing up, they had, this happened, 605 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: and that's why they're acting like they do now. See, 606 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 1: that's that's totally unacceptable. Well, that is staying in the 607 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: victimhood of it. I agree with that. Now you're a 608 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: victim of your parents. Now you're a victim of your partners. 609 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 1: Now you're a victim of your relationships. Now you're a 610 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: victim of friends. But I am going to stop you 611 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: for one second being the cancer pisces that I am, like, 612 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: if I really value the importance of feeling the feelings 613 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,399 Speaker 1: around the pain, so like, if they had a really 614 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: hard childhood, whoever, your mom is talking about. I think 615 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: it's important for them to grieve that, like whatever it is, 616 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: that to me is the only way that I've ever 617 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 1: been able to fully release something. This is maybe me personally. 618 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 1: I think this is also part of the reason I'm 619 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: here on this earth to help people get more comfortable 620 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: with this. But like two, if you need to cry, 621 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: if you need to be angry, if you need to 622 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,839 Speaker 1: do all the things, that is, the only way out 623 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,359 Speaker 1: is through. It's the whole, that's the thing, right, Like 624 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 1: you said that in this outline. Well, right, you're doing 625 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 1: it for you, aren't you. What do you mean, Well, 626 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: you're processing it, yes, And you're not processing it is 627 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,720 Speaker 1: somebody did something to me. You're processing how it's affected you. Yes, Okay, 628 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: that's and then how you would prefer to move forward? Right, Well, 629 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: one without a lot of those people in my life. Well, 630 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: but that's what that's the point of. That's the point too. 631 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: That's you know, just simply discrimination of who you want 632 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: to participate with and who you don't want to participate with. 633 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 1: And once you've learned your lesson, you won't create it again, right, 634 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: thank god. That's the discrimination is kind of where I 635 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: am in this stage of life where I don't think 636 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,760 Speaker 1: I've had that before. Well, you see, God doesn't demand 637 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,879 Speaker 1: that you like everybody. Yeah, I didn't really get that. Well, 638 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,799 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the only thing that God looks at 639 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: his intention. You don't look at what you do. What's 640 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,320 Speaker 1: your intention? Yeah, so when you're looking at that stuff, 641 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: your intention is to clarify what's going on side of 642 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: you that you keep repeating. Okay, well, then that gives 643 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: you a little clarity on and so realization. But that 644 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: doesn't mean I don't get pissed. What are you gonna do? 645 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: Go beat your beat your parents up, your old parents. No, 646 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at my parents, right, Why you keep 647 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 1: being mad at him? Anger? Anger is being angry as 648 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: somebody wishing they'd be sick, and it makes you sick. 649 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: It's like drinking poison and that's yeah, that's right. And 650 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: I guess drinking poison and wishing someone else would die. Yeah, 651 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 1: how negative a thought is that? That's dark? Speaking of 652 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:47,799 Speaker 1: shadow speaking? All right, Marv, where do we need to 653 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 1: take this note? Because I know we're getting we're running 654 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: out of time here. You and I have been on 655 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 1: its hand it today? Well, I told you take the 656 00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 1: league and I'm like, it's like fullman, I'm all in 657 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: my fucking fields. This last week, it has been intense 658 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 1: around here, so I have a lot to say about 659 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,359 Speaker 1: this stuff. But um but I do think that like 660 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: the more I think that, you know, I've talked about 661 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,759 Speaker 1: like being in twelve steps for about a decade, and 662 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: that is one of the gifts it's given me, is 663 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,800 Speaker 1: you do look at what I now I'm terming as shadow. 664 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was that they call it, you know, defects, 665 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,400 Speaker 1: character defects, which I've never really liked resonated with that 666 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,080 Speaker 1: word because it makes me feel like I'm just so 667 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: fucked up. So shadow is a little easier for me 668 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: to digest as a human. Um, but I think it's 669 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: important for all of us to look at that. And 670 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,360 Speaker 1: the other thing I'm realizing is that journey never ends. 671 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: Like It's not like you do any sort of work. 672 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: You don't go to enough therapy, do a twelve step program, 673 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 1: do enough sessions with you to just fix it or 674 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: figure it out. It's a journey. Well, let me tell you, 675 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: you're not going to transcend your problems. You leave this 676 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,760 Speaker 1: body so you get your problems fixed. Up down here, Yeah, 677 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,439 Speaker 1: and then leave them and then you leave them, thank God. 678 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,319 Speaker 1: And so in the final analysis, we all also have 679 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: to understand that we're participate in humanity and that is 680 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: UH is very very important UH, simply because it's how 681 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 1: we integrate into human condition and become healers in the 682 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,800 Speaker 1: human condition, not only just of ourselves, but what how 683 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,760 Speaker 1: can we bring to humanity and apply our talents, tools 684 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,920 Speaker 1: and abilities two be of help and healing to the 685 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: human condition to others as a whole. So it's not 686 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: just personal relationships, it's just not personal experience. In the 687 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,320 Speaker 1: words Yoga Nanda UH talked about, nobody gets out until 688 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: we all get out. I'm trying to process that nobody 689 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 1: gets out until we all because because we're all right, 690 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,879 Speaker 1: you're not going to get off the karmic wheel until 691 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: we all get off the karmic wheel. Yeah, we all 692 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: get off. We all come in together, we all get 693 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: off together. We're all a participant in a big, huge play, 694 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 1: in a big journey, and we're going to spiritualize this 695 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: planet and make this planet dominated by the energy of 696 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 1: love before we're done. Jesus Christ is still working here. St. 697 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: Michael is still working here, Archangel, Michael Gabriel, all of them, 698 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: they're all working here. So I don't care how enlightened 699 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 1: you think you become. You're not done with the human endeavor. 700 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: But as we as each one of us become enlightened 701 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: or more realized, that helps all of us become more 702 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: enlightened and realized. Because we're all connected. There is no 703 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 1: there's no separation, right is the goal? Like, can you 704 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:34,120 Speaker 1: ever reach full enlightenment? Well, certainly, I'd say you have 705 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,879 Speaker 1: zad Garu right now. It's pretty darned close. He's got 706 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 1: a little ego shadow in him, but he's tapped into 707 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,600 Speaker 1: some very high energy. He's been a lifetime with it. 708 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:53,399 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You know, we've got there's a lot of they. 709 00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:00,080 Speaker 1: It's considered about two percent of all society, all humanity, 710 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 1: is on the verge of enlightenment two two one are 711 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 1: the rest of us in a spiritual state, individuated state 712 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: and consensus state. Okay, I guess that's another podcast. Yeah, 713 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 1: it had been a podcast. Do you have any last 714 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 1: remarks you want to leave the people with before we 715 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: wrap up for today. Well, you know, I put in 716 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,440 Speaker 1: that last page of the Sacred Purpose of Being humans 717 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,359 Speaker 1: actually love that. Yeah, I mean you can just read 718 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,839 Speaker 1: the principles. Yeah, and they I mean, you know, they're 719 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 1: just it's just a um, that's a self realization just 720 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,719 Speaker 1: reading the Principles. You don't even have to read the book, 721 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,400 Speaker 1: just read, just read each chat the principles. We're both 722 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 1: human and divine. To sell off is greater than its conditions. 723 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: Whatever you say, I am too, you become the human 724 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:14,799 Speaker 1: shadow has a sacred function. Victimhood is a case of 725 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:21,239 Speaker 1: mistaken identity. Your desire is God's love living in you. 726 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,879 Speaker 1: We learned to live within the tension of opposites as 727 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:31,000 Speaker 1: we are walkers in two worlds, the ego personality world 728 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:38,360 Speaker 1: and the soul self world. It's not out, it's through 729 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,239 Speaker 1: that we heal and transform. How beautiful is that? And 730 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,919 Speaker 1: this is one of my favorites. There are no at 731 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:53,320 Speaker 1: experts outside of ourselves on a path to self knowledge. 732 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 1: Nobody teaches us greater than we teach ourselves, and a 733 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: is to final When the symptoms of dis ease is 734 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:09,880 Speaker 1: not pathological, they are the pangs of birthing a new consciousness. 735 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,279 Speaker 1: Oh we got two more. And the open heart is 736 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,200 Speaker 1: the bridge to a divine and the last one is 737 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:23,280 Speaker 1: as you cultivate your own nature, all around you begins 738 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 1: to grow. Mm hmmm, how beautiful is those principles? Right? 739 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,319 Speaker 1: So as we grow, as we become more enlightened, as 740 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:39,840 Speaker 1: you said, everyone around is our every right. That to 741 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: me is beautiful, and it's also it just reminds us 742 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,719 Speaker 1: like just put the focus back on you and your 743 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,839 Speaker 1: journey and your self knowledge. Like I love the one 744 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: about no there are no outer experts because the tendency 745 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 1: of minds to think everyone else should be an expert 746 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 1: more than me, especially even on my own life, you know, 747 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,239 Speaker 1: like tell me how to live my own life. And 748 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,160 Speaker 1: it's like, no nobody can fix me. Nobody can make 749 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,600 Speaker 1: decisions for me. Nobody can tell me what's right or 750 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,719 Speaker 1: wrong for me, or what path I need to take. 751 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,600 Speaker 1: Only myself and my higher power can do that. And 752 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: so right, like listening to my own body and all 753 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,799 Speaker 1: of that stuff, I'm getting more comfortable in it now, 754 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,399 Speaker 1: but it's taking me forty years and it's still it's 755 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,680 Speaker 1: a daily it's a daily practice for me, especially right now. 756 00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure it gets easier once you've kind of gotten 757 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,239 Speaker 1: this clarity, but like I'm just in this new awareness 758 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,000 Speaker 1: of how much I was making other people the authority 759 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:42,239 Speaker 1: of my own life. And um, yeah, how beautiful is 760 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,480 Speaker 1: that you've grown exponentially in two years? Kelly? Is that 761 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,960 Speaker 1: how long we've known each other? More? No, I think 762 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 1: we've known each other a little longer. Time flies when 763 00:56:54,200 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 1: you're having fun, though, you know. All right, Well, we 764 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,960 Speaker 1: have to go. But I really appreciate you kind of 765 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,279 Speaker 1: discussing this topic. I know there's a lot on the 766 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 1: outline that we didn't specifically address. To tell the people 767 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,000 Speaker 1: where they could find a deeper version of this outline 768 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:19,080 Speaker 1: if they're interested, Well, I'll put it on my blog 769 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 1: on my website. Okay, astro marv dot com. Astro marv 770 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 1: dot com, and then they and then they can reach 771 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:34,040 Speaker 1: me at Marvin at astro marv dot com. Look at you, 772 00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,400 Speaker 1: You already knew what I was gonna ask. Good Grape mind, 773 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,920 Speaker 1: grape ones, think alike. That's right, all right, Marv. Well 774 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 1: we'll see you next month. Um, we'll decide what we're 775 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,280 Speaker 1: going to talk about. I have a couple of ideas 776 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,720 Speaker 1: on that one too, But thank you for being You 777 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,000 Speaker 1: know what, Kelly, this is what I want you to do. 778 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,440 Speaker 1: What I want you to make it a great month. 779 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,640 Speaker 1: I will. I feel good about this month. I feel 780 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,920 Speaker 1: great about this month. Shadow and I are going to 781 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 1: go skipping down the street now. Okay, thanks Marv, Thank 782 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,440 Speaker 1: you guys so much for thanks for listening to The 783 00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,920 Speaker 1: Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, where we believe everyone 784 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 1: has a little velvet and a little edge. Subscribe for 785 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 1: more conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. Search Velvet's 786 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,160 Speaker 1: Edge wherever you get your podcasts.