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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ken Kachigian with us. His book is Behind Closed Doors. Ken.

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Speaker 2: Is that you on the cover left of on the

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Speaker 2: on the right side of Ronald Reagan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's me with Ronald Reagan and President Nixon. We

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Speaker 3: were in a meeting in nineteen ninety when it was

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Speaker 3: when President Nixon was opening his library. You're blenda. He

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Speaker 3: asked me to accompany him to a meeting with President Reagan,

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Speaker 3: and it was two days before they opened the library,

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Speaker 3: and so he asked me to a company. And of

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Speaker 3: course it's a chapter twenty five in the book, and

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Speaker 3: so I call it the Lions Gathers, the name of

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Speaker 3: the chapter. And it was about a forty five minute meeting,

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Speaker 3: and I took I took very good notes, and it's

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Speaker 3: like a transcription of the meeting. And the two presidential

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Speaker 3: giants and political legends of the twentieth century, the last

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Speaker 3: quarter of the twentieth century met together. And first they

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Speaker 3: just chit chatted, but then they after about fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 3: they got to talking about world issues and by Gorbachev

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Speaker 3: and foreign policy and foreign affairs, and it was just

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Speaker 3: an amazing meeting of the two gentlemen. And you know,

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Speaker 3: there were rivals in nineteen sixty eight when Mixon thought

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Speaker 3: Reagan would run against them for president. But then they

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Speaker 3: became very close. And when we were writing the memoirs

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Speaker 3: in San Clemente, as I write in the book, in

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Speaker 3: the early chapters of the book, President Nixon said to me,

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Speaker 3: he said, you know, Ken, he said, we're going to

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Speaker 3: treat Reagan well, he said, because Reagan was loyal to me,

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Speaker 3: you know, loyal to me on Vietnam and Watergate. He

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Speaker 3: suck by me. And then they became very close. And

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Speaker 3: when I was traveling with Reagan in the eighty campaign,

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Speaker 3: Nixon used me to send secret memos to Reagan, which

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Speaker 3: I reprint in the in the appendencies of the book,

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Speaker 3: and for the very first time, fascinating memos to two

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Speaker 3: fascinating memos of advice to Reagan. Uh. And so Nixon

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Speaker 3: became an unofficial advisor to Reagan, and they became pretty

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Speaker 3: close pals as throughout the presidency. And Nixon would call

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Speaker 3: me with advice and I'd pass it along. And they

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Speaker 3: weren't palsy Wolsey, but but they they became comrades. In

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Speaker 3: in in retirement, and as they chitch had it that day,

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Speaker 3: it was just it was like if you were in

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Speaker 3: the forties and a meeting between the FBR and Truman.

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Speaker 3: You know, just these two great giants of American politics.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine, you know. I came from a I

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Speaker 3: was raised on a farm Invasi, California, and I went

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Speaker 3: to public schools, and I could never imagine being the

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Speaker 3: pinnacle of American life like that.

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Speaker 2: George one to ten with ten being the best. How

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Speaker 2: would you grade Richard Nixon?

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Speaker 3: Oh, it depends on what you're grading him on. If

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Speaker 3: you're grading him on a political acumen, and he was

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Speaker 3: a ten. On foreign policy he was a ten. And

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Speaker 3: sometimes in terms of judgment, maybe on judging people, sometimes

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Speaker 3: the seven or eight because he picked some of the

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Speaker 3: wrong people on it. You know, in terms of staff,

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Speaker 3: he failed in terms of some decisions he made, and

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Speaker 3: he admitted to that, I think, but he was really

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Speaker 3: a genius in terms of the global decisions he made,

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Speaker 3: you know, using outsetting China and Soviet Union at a

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Speaker 3: critical time in American foreign policy and making the big

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Speaker 3: decisions like that. He had a great foresight and by

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Speaker 3: just in the discussions we had on the making strategic

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Speaker 3: political decisions and the way we analyzed campaigns and everything

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Speaker 3: like that. I just find it so just fascinating, the

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Speaker 3: reach of history he had from the forties and fifties

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Speaker 3: and sixties and seventies. It was just the most fascinating

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Speaker 2: Would you give Ronald Reagan high marks?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, I gave him high marks because he had

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Speaker 3: he had a great judgment on economics. And I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you why. Because he he understood economics from a very

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Speaker 3: common sense point of view. And that was because he, uh,

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Speaker 3: he suffered it as an individual. He came at it

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Speaker 3: from the time from he was because he was taxed

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Speaker 3: so much and he made a high he made a

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Speaker 3: pretty good income in the in the movie business, and

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Speaker 3: they taxed him at ninety percent. He would sit and

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Speaker 3: he would sit down and tell me how the tax

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Speaker 3: system was punishing and what where he came at it

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Speaker 3: was when uh, he learned through the time. He was

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Speaker 3: a spokesman for General Electric in the fifties and sixties,

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Speaker 3: and he traveled the country as a spokesman for the

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Speaker 3: General Electric Company, and he uh, you know, he wrote

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Speaker 3: all his own speeches. The crisscrossed the country talking about

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Speaker 3: the capital the capitalism and the fre enterprise system. And

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Speaker 3: he preached economics, and he's an economics major at Eureka College.

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Speaker 3: Especially in I want to talk about that again, promote

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Speaker 3: the book shamelessly, the chapter thirteen through of fourteen and

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Speaker 3: fifteen where he just talks straight economics, where he explains

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Speaker 3: his own sense of economic theory. And I give him

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Speaker 3: high marks because he brings economics down to just the

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Speaker 3: bottom basic level of trying to help people understand how

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Speaker 3: the tax system is punishing the people, regulatory the system

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Speaker 3: in America punishes people, and how if you just free

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Speaker 3: up people to let them be themselves and release them,

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Speaker 3: to release the energy of the human system, to release

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Speaker 3: their human potential to their highest quality, and not punish

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Speaker 3: them through high taxation and regulation, they can rise above themselves.

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Speaker 3: And to that extent, it's just common sense notions that

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Speaker 3: he brought to the government. I thought was just brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Did you know Henry Kissinger Ken?

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Speaker 3: No, I never. That's the one person I never met

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Speaker 3: in government and never knew him, so I can't say

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Speaker 3: that I ever knew him.

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Speaker 2: He died last year, one hundred years old. What a

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Speaker 2: statesman he was.

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Speaker 3: Huh, No, he was. I knew that. I knew the

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Speaker 3: people around him. I knew his staff. He had some

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Speaker 3: brilliant people around him, Winston Lord and Peter Rodman. I

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Speaker 3: knew them. Peter Rodman, who took all the notes. He

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Speaker 3: was the note taker during all the Vietnam negotiations. Of

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Speaker 3: hard working Henry. He beat his staff like he beat

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Speaker 3: him like mules, I'll tell you that. But when Lord

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Speaker 3: and Peter Rodman were great people on his staff, and

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Speaker 3: Brent scope Off and those fellows, I knew them all

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Speaker 3: really well, Bud McFarlane, but I never knew Henry.

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Speaker 2: Were you with Ronald Reagan when the Soviet Union started

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Speaker 2: falling apart?

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Speaker 3: I did partially at a very important time in nineteen

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Speaker 3: eighty five. I was brought in on assignment to help

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Speaker 3: him with a speech before the General Assembly, the UN

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Speaker 3: General Assembly, when he made the first slight shift in

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Speaker 3: policy towards the Soviet Union. And I helped edit a speech,

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Speaker 3: and I thought it was he wanted to be the

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Speaker 3: old hardline Ronald Reagan, you know, beating the brains out

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Speaker 3: of the communists like he used to be in the

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Speaker 3: old days, and so I helped write this the real

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Speaker 3: hardline speech to deliver to the UN General Assembly, and

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Speaker 3: they delivered it to him and we met in the

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Speaker 3: my real spanking, and I thought, my gosh, what happened here?

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Speaker 3: And what happened was that he all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: wanted to take a turn in policy. And he told me, Ken,

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Speaker 3: going to have to soften our tone. And that was

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Speaker 3: the first change I ever saw. And only years later

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Speaker 3: is that Margaret Thatcher had gotten to him, and Margaret

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Speaker 3: Thatcher told him, she said, you know, Ron, if you're

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Speaker 3: going to make any changes here, you've got to change

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Speaker 3: your tone. And that General Assembly speech in nineteen eighty five,

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Speaker 3: to Gorbachev and and that changed when he met with

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Speaker 2: What is your favorite part of the book behind closed Doors.

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Speaker 3: Oh my, that's that's that's a tough question. Probably it's

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Speaker 3: the favorite parts, I guess, or the two campaigns, because

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Speaker 3: I write in detail several chapters, the six chapters about

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Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty campaign, because I kept a recorded diary

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Speaker 3: into a cassette tape recorder. It's the only inside story

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Speaker 3: about the eighty campaign that I kept in a recorded diary.

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Speaker 3: And then again in the eighty four campaign, I was

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Speaker 3: one of only two people from the campaign who traveled

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Speaker 3: with them on Air Force one, and I helped with

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Speaker 3: those famous Morning Morning in America ads that we did,

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Speaker 3: and I helped script some of those. And then there

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Speaker 3: was a very important speech I think that's been described

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Speaker 3: as the greatest speech Reagan ever gave in Germany at

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Speaker 3: chapter twenty in the book is one that I worked

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Speaker 3: on where Reagan was that probably in his lowest spirits.

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Speaker 3: It was his first personal crisis of the presidency. And

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Speaker 3: that's probably one of my favorite chapters and one of

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Speaker 3: my favorite speeches I've worked on. But it's hard to

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Speaker 3: pinpoint one certain thing, but those are some of the highlights.

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Speaker 3: I would say that are favorite to me.

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Speaker 2: Was that the speech where he told Gorvaschoff to tear

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Speaker 3: No, No, that wasn't No, that was still yet another speech.

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Speaker 2: He had some good ones.

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Speaker 3: Oh he did. He really had some terrific speeches in

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Speaker 3: did his farewell convention speech in nineteen eighty eight. But

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Speaker 3: I have to tell you this, on those speeches, I

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Speaker 3: I would give him a draft, and you know, when

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Speaker 3: the Democrats beat him up so bad, he would get

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Speaker 1: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: People thought, you know, he was because Reagan was genial

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Speaker 3: That everybody thought he's a softy. But you know, he

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Speaker 3: he wanted to. So when those speeches came at convention time,

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Speaker 3: he got feisty.

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Speaker 2: How would you be advising former President Donald Trump these days?

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Speaker 3: Well, for one thing, I think he needs the shortness speeches,

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Speaker 3: which would help, and to stay on message and not meander.

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Speaker 3: I think he's doesn't help himself when he gets off message.

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Speaker 3: I think he's got I think he's got a very

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Speaker 3: good message. I think he speaks to There's a There

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Speaker 3: was a calumnist and political observer back in the sixties

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Speaker 3: named Joe Kraft who who came up the term the

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Speaker 3: forgotten man. And I think Trump uh tapped into that

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Speaker 3: forgotten man. And I think Trump often speaks to the

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Speaker 3: forgotten man. I say that generically, I don't mean man,

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Speaker 3: meaning male. But I think if Trump would just keep

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Speaker 3: on that message and instead of meandering into these areas

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Speaker 3: where where he criticizes the Georgia governor or talks about

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Speaker 3: the size of his crowds and things like that, that

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Speaker 3: doesn't help him. And you know, I want him to win.

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Speaker 3: So my advice to him is the eighty seventy eighty

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Speaker 3: minute speeches don't help. And I have a theory about speeches, George,

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Speaker 3: and that is nobody ever left the church complaining about

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Speaker 3: a short sermon.

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Speaker 2: So that's so true.

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Speaker 3: So I think a shorter speeches did to stay on

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Speaker 3: message and go to the point are very important.

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Speaker 2: Did Richard Dixon get credit for the Apollo eleven moon landing.

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Speaker 3: Well, probably not sufficiently, but that was a very important

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Speaker 3: time in his presidency. You know, when he greeted him

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Speaker 3: on the USS hornet and that was a wonderful, great

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Speaker 3: occasion when they returned Neil Armstrong and and the others,

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of other things, you know, he didn't

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Speaker 3: the other things the release of the POWs, the Vietnam POWs,

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Speaker 3: constantly all the time. It was just a nightmare for

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Speaker 3: him that they were over there and that he you know,

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Speaker 3: he couldn't he couldn't get them out, You couldn't end

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Speaker 3: the Warren couldn't get those POW's release. And when they

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