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The Colin Coward Podcast 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: presented by the Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi, everybody, welcome 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: in to the Thursday Morning Podcast. Chris Webber Seaweb will 13 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: join us his thoughts on the NBA playoffs and the 14 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: play in game so far so. Baker Mayfield did an 15 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: interview on a podcast and he just sort of let 16 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: it rip, let it fly. At one point he said 17 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: on the field, I'm a dickhead that's never changed. He 18 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: admits he's got a Napoleon syndrome. He says he felt 19 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: disrespected by the Browns, and he says he liked to 20 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: go into somebody's office and boo them to see how 21 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: they crumble. He admitted his critics also got to him. 22 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: You know, Marshall McLuhan is a famous scholar of communications. 23 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: He famously said the medium is the message, meaning not 24 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: so much what you say, but how you say it 25 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: and where you choose to say it. Baker was lake 26 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: House with a bunch of buddies. Host is there, camo hat, 27 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: drinking a b're very casual, it's very let it rip. 28 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: This is where I think Baker Mayfield's personality has never 29 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: been right to be a quarterback. My wife's an artist. 30 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: I'm more the compartmentalizer, the observer. We have different personalities. 31 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: We make it work, but I will never be able 32 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: to paint like her, and she won't be able to 33 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: do certain things I can do. I think the greatest 34 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacks have talent, but their personalities match the position. Tom 35 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: Brady obviously is a great example. So is Peyton Manning. 36 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: Very calculated, obsessed with preparation, from the podium to a podcast, 37 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: to preparation to the sidelines to pre snap. You'll see 38 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: very brief emotional outbursts a fist pump by Brady. Peyton 39 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: manningle ocasionally bark at his center, but they're very much 40 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: under control. Baker's personality is much more comedian, surfer artist, 41 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: highly emotional letter rip. That, of course is a big 42 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: advantage in surfing or a comedian. You lean into your talent, 43 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: don't overthink it, and just let it go. But the 44 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's, the Peyton Mannings, the Tom Brady's, they understand 45 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: being a franchise quarterback, everything has to be planned. It's 46 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: not a letter rip position. Jay Cutler, Cam Newton, Baker, 47 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: Mayfield sort of letter rip personalities. Don't think before they speak, 48 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: often way too casual. It's one of my knocks on 49 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: Drew Locke, the now Seahawk quarterback. I don't need to know. 50 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: Baker's got a Napoleon problem. Right now, he's interviewing for 51 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: a job with every other GM in the league. Do 52 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: you think they want a quarterback with a short guy complex. 53 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: Do you think they want a quarterback who says he 54 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: was bothered by the criticism and how to get off 55 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: social A quarterback who said I'd like to go into 56 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: fans cubicles and boo them. He's showing weakness, He's showing 57 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: an inability to control his emotions. That he doesn't have 58 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: control of them. They control him. Again, there's a reason 59 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: certain people flourish in certain jobs. I talked to myself 60 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: all day. I was meant to talk. It's what I do. 61 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: I could never have been an artist. There are certain 62 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: positions I just don't have the right emotional state for. 63 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: I think Baker's talented, but he almost has a linebacker's personality, 64 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: a wide receiver's personality, highly emotional, very casual, says the 65 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: first thing that comes into his mind. There are a 66 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: lot of great jobs for that quarterback. In my opinion, 67 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: it's not perfect. So there was a baseball situation yesterday. 68 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: They got people really worked up. Clayton Kershaw, perfect game, 69 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: after eighty pitches, he was pulled. And this is something 70 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: that's important. First of all, he's six months off surgery. 71 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: He's an older pitcher. He's very valuable of their World 72 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: Series chances. It was under forty degrees under forty degrees, 73 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: and this is an older picture. Now, managing that arm 74 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: and his health becomes really important. We know this in 75 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: all sports. I totally understood why the Dodgers did it. Folks. 76 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: Sports are not just there. Athletes are not just there 77 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: for your personal enjoyment. Colin, There's only been twenty three 78 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: games and Clayton Kershaw only has one left arm this franchise. 79 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: The Dodgers are favorites to win the World Series. Okay, 80 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: the perfect game is like an award. It's cute. Kershaw's 81 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer first ballot. His legacy is set. 82 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: Got one World Series. Would like to have more over 83 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars in the bank. Okay, to win 84 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: an award, throw a no hit or perfect game is wonderful. 85 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: But Clayton Kershaw totally understood the situation. Sports is not 86 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: just there for your enjoyment. Big picture, If Clayton Kershaw's 87 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: twenty four and plays for the Mariners or A's with 88 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: no shot to win a World championship, the Royals are 89 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: the pirates and he's a kid not coming off surgery 90 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: and it's game two, you go for it. But the 91 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: bigger picture for the Dodgers is we're not risking an injury. 92 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. Kevin Durant. Remember years ago 93 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: he got hurt. He came back in for the Warriors 94 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and there were going to be minute limitations, 95 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: but he came back and he was on fire, and 96 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: they stretched how many minutes he played and he got hurt. 97 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: Big Picture should have pulled him out earlier. You can't 98 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: just go with an older, somewhat brittle athlete. You can't 99 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: just go on current momentum. You have to go into 100 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: games or series with pitch counts or minute limits. So, yes, 101 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: it drives you crazy. 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And I 141 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: know it's a weird place to start, but but but 142 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, Bill Lamber tackled people, Dennis Rod was a 143 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: pain in the ass, and you know, as a Fab 144 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: five guy, as a Michigan guy, is that there is 145 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: absolutely in my opinion room for Patrick Beverley. But what 146 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: is the line, Chris, between being physical and screwing with 147 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: guys knees, hurting them like as a pro athlete, I 148 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: don't know what the line is. What is it with 149 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: Patrick Beverley? What does he do that bothers you? And 150 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: what are you okay with? Man? That's a great question. 151 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. I think first, I think 152 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: everybody would want to play with them in a quick 153 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: The Lamba story one of my favorite players ever growing 154 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: up in Detroit, and I used to love it. He's 155 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I love playing on the 156 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,239 Speaker 1: road and would do like this, the booze, the antics. 157 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: He really taught us to embrace You're gonna get hated anyway. However, 158 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: when I played against some true story my first time 159 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: in the NBA going home, I knew the guy. I 160 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: go up and get a rebound, tap it against the 161 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: backboard to show how high I could jump and go 162 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: down the court. You know. It's like an old trick 163 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: and catching tapped. The next time I go up and 164 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: I see him, he sticks his leg out and I 165 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: twist my ankle. I think maybe seventeen seconds or two 166 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: minutes into the game, something like that, and I was 167 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: out probably six games my rookie year. And so even 168 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: though he's one of my favorite players, it's one of 169 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: the dirtiest things that I've seen. So I did the game. 170 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: I believe I commentate the game when he and Westbrook 171 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: Bumpani's like after a late time out, I don't think 172 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: that was dirty, because I've seen players do that their 173 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: whole careers. However, I think the answer is not saying 174 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: anything and maybe taking one technical with a quick elbow. 175 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: It's really it's really easy if you don't get caught 176 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: up in an antic, especially in the two three game series, 177 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: it's really easy to shut them down because then they 178 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: start looking like a little clownish. The only way they 179 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: don't look like the clown is when they bring you 180 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: into the argument and you have to try to figure 181 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: out who's really, you know, acting, who's the bad actor? Yeah, 182 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: I know that's what he did with Morris. He got 183 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: him worked up, he got into his head. Was there 184 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: ever a guy in the league that was a talker 185 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: with you and try to reel you in? Not a talker? 186 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: Because you couldn't get me that way. So if you 187 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: wanted to slide under the Collins brothers, I hated playing 188 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: them naharah uh mattson. Any guy then that would fly smarten, 189 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: use their brain, get in front of you. But I 190 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: hated those guys because they got the benefit of the doubt. 191 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: They're beating you up just as much and they're getting 192 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: the benefit of doubt. And to me, those guys were 193 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say just as a fact that they don't 194 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: have the winning record of the Rotten and but in 195 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: games they're just as you know, as an effective as 196 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: a Beverty as well. So yeah, those guys I used 197 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: to I used to hate hate playing of this those guys. 198 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: So I'm not going to ask you necessarily to pick 199 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: a series, but I want to talk kind of fundamentally 200 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: holistically about the league. So I don't I don't buy 201 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: the Celtics and I don't buy the Heat. And my 202 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: reason is, and I do buy Brooklyn because my theory 203 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: is when the playoffs start, refs swallow the whistle, they 204 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: get out of the way, and this is when stars 205 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: can really manipulate marginal players and average players. And outside 206 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: of Jason Tatum, Celtics don't have a closer out. I 207 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: don't think Miami does have a closer. I think Jimmy's 208 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: just a great athlete, same with Bam and so Brooklyn's 209 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: got so many things. I don't like their size, their bench, 210 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: the lack of chemistry. They're so KD Kyrie centric. Would 211 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: you rather play a Boston who grinds your ass on 212 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: the defensive end? Who has they don't have the star power, 213 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: but every time down the floor or would you rather play, 214 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, that kind of team, but they don't have 215 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: a Stars or a Brooklyn who's got two guys that 216 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: are unstoppable, but all sorts of holes all over the team. 217 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: I remember playing against Dallas, who at the time had 218 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: the fastest pace. It was Finley, Nash and Dirt. Those 219 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: teams you don't want to play them. You just don't 220 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: because you just have no rest of thought because when 221 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: those three on the court, you really have to be 222 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: engaged every single player, every because every plays a threat. 223 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: I really thought Cleveland could have come back. I told 224 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: someone I called him early in the second half. I said, 225 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: Cleveland's going to come back and win this game. But 226 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: I didn't take into effect that Duran's one of the 227 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: best shooters ever to play, right. But yeah, I could definitely, 228 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, I'm like you, I would take them, but 229 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: I would rather, you know, play a team that doesn't 230 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: have those options in the Boston and that as well. 231 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, so you're basically you. What you're saying 232 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: Brooklyn does is they put such immense pressure on you 233 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: because if you're not alert, they will score it. Well, 234 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean the shots that Katie was hitting into me 235 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: in basketball the hardest shot in the game. And Jordan 236 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: Master m K D. Master Currys mastered every shot. Kobe 237 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: Master's too, dribble pull up going baseline because you really 238 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: don't know how to check the guy. If you pump fakes, 239 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: can you continue to go? And the shots that Kade 240 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: was hitting, you know, it was terrible, it was great defense. 241 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: And he pulls up and shoots that tough shot that 242 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: really if you're another team, if anybody else but those two, 243 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm taking my chances with that shot, niking the guy 244 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: to take a shot off the dribble fading right too, 245 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: And so I just, um, yeah, I just it gets 246 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: so deflating. It's almost like a dump used to be 247 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: worth more than two points because it would take the 248 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: air out of your team. And it's it's the same 249 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: way as a bomb. It's seven points, but you know 250 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: it hurts more than the one yard running. So you know, 251 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: I totally agree with you in that theory. And I 252 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: think a lot of people you know, are over they 253 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: have two high expectations on Boston. I feel you that way. 254 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: I think people don't take for granted you need a 255 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: couple closes in the playoffs, and you know, one of 256 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: those guys get cold, you can go to another. And 257 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: that's why Brooklyn and he has, you know, definitely advantage. 258 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: What tell me the difference between regular season and playoff basketball? 259 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: Like last night, they don't count the playing game as 260 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: the playoffs. And I said on the air, I said, 261 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: that's playoff basketball. You can call it whatever you want. 262 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: But even the officiating they were letting guys bump, you know, 263 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: they I felt watching and I'm like, oh, that's playoff basketball. 264 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: You can call it whatever. So you tell me go 265 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: back to your career, like where could you really tell 266 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: because you notice rookies getting tighter, young guys getting tighter. 267 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: I think two things for me, how loud the fans were, 268 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: Like everything was just over exaggerated, Like now's the time 269 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: you've become a start, Like the guy off the bistic 270 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: gets one minute and one still there's a hundred people 271 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: outside waiting for him that you get to win. So 272 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: just that you feel, you know, WWF, you know you 273 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: can cut the intensity with or not if you really 274 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: feel that. I always used to really notice that. And 275 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: then second, how tired you would get in the first 276 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: quarterin like I can't explain, I don't know what that 277 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: is is that nerves enginery that how you boring up 278 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: is everything. But it was almost like, you know, you 279 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: have no more excuses and you've been waiting even emotionally 280 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: to put everything into this moment. And so I think 281 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: it really is the energy and how do you make 282 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: sure you give your all the times to still conserved 283 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: at times you don't need to waste it pumping up 284 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: the crowd, you know, so you know the crowd, and 285 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: then kind of how your body reacted to the moment, 286 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's kind of special. So when you 287 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: go over to the Western side, a team that I 288 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: find really interesting, Golden State. So Jordan Pool is now 289 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: emerging as a star. Clay Thompson's not quite what he 290 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: was off injury, and when Clay plays a lot of minutes, 291 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: I think it hinders Jordan Pool. And I think everybody 292 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: knows that on the roster. But Clays your guy, Okay Clais, 293 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: you're dude. You travel with him, You've probably got into weddings, 294 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: you get into a weird situation where everybody in the 295 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: damn room's like, should do Jordan Pool needs to play 296 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: forty two minutes? Tell me how difficult that is when 297 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: one of your guys, you know, he's eroding, he's not ascending, 298 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: and here comes the young buck. Can it screw with chemistry? 299 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: So I heard you today, and I hope that for 300 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: fans sake. You know, I love it when you go 301 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: off on tangents or rabbit holes, and I hope that 302 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: you really go down the rabbit hole of the draft 303 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: pick does not mean as much in big cities an 304 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: the morning you're soul right, you need to really go 305 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole. I'm sure researchers can get you 306 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them. Lay didn't get shocked, you know, 307 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: they didn't draft shot, So I totally you know, I 308 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: agree with you on that. However, I don't know if 309 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: I can answer this question not be sentimental. And I 310 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: think that's the problem that Clay gives. They are a dynasty. 311 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: They were a dynasty. You're right in every way, but 312 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm just adding the motion which you're gonna have to 313 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: take an effect for fans and other things, especially if 314 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: you don't win one and you're betting on Pool, who 315 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: is gonna be great. But you know you would do 316 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: that to Clay and he's not yet a full year 317 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: in h you know, he this dynasty never got a 318 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: chance to win once we saw a team get hurt 319 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: or Katie get hurt. You know, this unfinished business. He's 320 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, of course draymonma the last you know, vestiges 321 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: of that. So if you are right, I would not 322 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: want to be part of that. I was in Detroit 323 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: again Pisness fan when we had a parade, and I 324 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,239 Speaker 1: think the next day and Rick Moorean say, oh, thank 325 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: you for helping me lose all this weight. I love you. 326 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: Like three days later he was trading for I believe 327 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: Mark McGuire and I mean as a pitstess band and 328 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: we but I was just hurting man, and I would 329 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: not want to be the man that trading Clay Thompson 330 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: because if it what works, like there's anything but a 331 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: championship works, and if not, I think keeping him around 332 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: still trying to win a championship may be the best. 333 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: But I do think that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, listen, 334 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: this is all It's a relationship business. I mean, the 335 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: truth is Steph Curry has made the owner a billion 336 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: dollars easily in in value of franchise. In marketing sales, 337 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: you do sometimes have to go to your star and say, 338 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: hey man, this is this is a go either way decision, 339 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I think I gotta get more 340 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: form though, I gotta get more and I think you 341 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: said Athony Davis earlier, I'm not I'm not taking him. 342 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't you know, I'm not. I'm not 343 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: taking him for Clay for the community because it is relationship. 344 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: So right, if we're gonna do that kind of we 345 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: gotta go. We gotta go get maybe Bill and someone 346 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: else and give up our picks. Because I really believe 347 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: you on that. But I just don't think you know, 348 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to go for a super superstar because 349 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: that's who I believe he would. I still believe he 350 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: has two years he's left to be. So let's go 351 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: to that. Let's pivot to the Lakers that I'm I 352 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: think people tell you are who they are. I think 353 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: it was Maya Angelo who said that people tell you 354 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: who they are, believe them. So when a d came 355 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: in out of shape off the Bubble Championship, I mean, 356 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: Lebron is sitting there a thing in time out. I'm 357 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: obsessed with this sport. Dude. I just need you to 358 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: be in shape as a pro athlete, I would have 359 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: moved off him there by low sell high. Now with 360 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: the injuries, this is who he is. He's showing you 361 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: who he is. He's not a workout fiend. It's not 362 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: really a leader. He's hella talented, but he's hurt increasingly more. 363 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: What was your feeling when you were in game about 364 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: athletes that get hurt? Is it bad form to move 365 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: off them? Or did you always feel like, hey man, 366 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: some dudes they just they can't give you eighty two 367 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: They can't. I mean, how did as a pro athlete, 368 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: how do you view that? Yeah, and I was plagued 369 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: by injuries or like ankle injuries things like that. So 370 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: AD's last injury you can tell like it wasn't as fault, 371 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, like Curry suffered injuries. But I think you know, 372 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: if you're gonna get injured, I want to know what 373 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: guy will work is, you know, tail off to come 374 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: back the fastest. So then I have to take your 375 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: work ethic into a kind of and so I do 376 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: think some guys is unfair. And I do think as 377 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: an athlete, you work out a lot so that you 378 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: can feel confident that you won't have those breakdowns and 379 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: then you look at guys that don't work out and 380 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: you say, see, that's why. And so it's not even 381 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: the injuries, you know, I just I just go back 382 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: to the previous memory of anybody playing with Lebron. That's 383 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: how I just played because I know it's a different 384 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: day and you can win championships, and I think, you know, 385 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 1: my generation should kind of admire the fact that you 386 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: can go play with friends and free agency. But at 387 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: the same time, you know, watching a guy like Dirk, 388 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: even though he won a championship, but you knew he 389 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: was a winner even before if he would have never 390 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: won one because of how you knew he put Dallas 391 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: on his back and he could trust that he just 392 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: needed help. I never felt that way with the d 393 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: that he just needed help. I felt that he could 394 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 1: be that missing piece for someone else, but that no 395 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: one else could be that. And I don't know when 396 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: he's proven that. That's why he's a wonderful talent. But 397 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: you know, I I'm just looking, you know, and he 398 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: had some big shots with Lebron. I get that, but 399 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about him being an alpha, and 400 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know when when that's worked. So 401 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm not as high on an injury or not being 402 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: the number being the number one guy. If Lebrons number 403 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: one team, LeBris on the team, he could be number 404 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: one team. I'm not the Clippers. I had a good 405 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: source inside the Clippers that told me when a D 406 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: was on the market, they didn't think he was a 407 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: a leader or be top. They thought he was gifted, 408 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: and they didn't think he would play through injuries. They 409 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: didn't think he worked out enough. Now they've had their 410 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: own troubles with Paul George and Kahi Leonards staying healthy, 411 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: but they the idea was everybody loved a D and 412 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: the Clippers have a very shrewd, very deep roster, very 413 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: shrewd front office. They didn't love him, and and their 414 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: their takeaway was he has to be led. He can't lead. 415 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Chris, all years you played, how many 416 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: guys were great leaders? Truthfully? Not maybe maybe well to 417 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: a roster, maybe and maybe and sometimes the best player 418 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: when I was younger. Maybe he didn't want to be 419 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: the leader because he was figuring out some other things 420 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: and was like, I'll let you guys kind of figure 421 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: it out. I don't want to, you know, or maybe 422 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: they just let individually saying, hey, this is how you 423 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: stay in shape, but you know, I'm not going to 424 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: the team signings and things like that. So when you 425 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: find a guy like that, when you find someone that 426 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: you admire, they have game, and that is very rare, 427 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: and usually it's the star player and a guy that 428 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: has been through everything and doesn't want you to waste 429 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: your your chance. And so no, it's it's you really 430 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: have to learn that as well, because every guy, no 431 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: matter how confident they are, you know, the most confident 432 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: in sports. But again, we're still fans of the game, 433 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: and therefore there's that insecurity. You follow sport a long time, 434 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: whether leaqu's out of interviews, whether leagues out in the 435 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: way you treat people, where the leagues out of something. 436 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: After the game, you know, you can kind of see 437 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: those areas, so to say, great leaders man, yeah maybe 438 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: maybe yeah, yeah, maybe two or three a team Okay, 439 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: HBO winning time. Not sure if you've seen it. It's 440 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: the the Jeff Perlman book on the Championship Lakers. Speaking 441 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: the leadership magic, Johnson, you had prickly stoic Kareem, you 442 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: had a crazy owner Norm Nixon, and here came Magic, 443 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: big personality, budding heads, a lot of pushback, obviously a 444 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: great leader. As a Michigan kid, yeah, as a Pistons fan, 445 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: how did you view he went to Michigan State, he 446 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: was he was on the other team, the Lakers. Did 447 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: you hate Magic as a player? I remember I remember 448 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson coming out in nineteen eighty four, and I 449 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: remember screaming to my mom, like, please do Billy Jane. 450 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: I remember that. I think it was Moretime twenty fifth. 451 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: I remember remember where I was. I remember where I 452 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: was when Magic got out of the limo and Sawbird 453 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: and I ran around the house screaming. I remember it, like, oh, 454 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: what's going on? Like I was the biggest Magic Johnson 455 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: fan in the world. His father worked in the factory. 456 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: He was from Lasting, Michigan. I got to meet him 457 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: the seventh grade. His smile, he was tall, in a 458 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: point guard, he got to push the ball. He was 459 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: in the video with New Edition. I think it was 460 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: secret like a video, but this is my favorite. You know, 461 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: he was cool and he was like a man of 462 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: the people, and so I loved them, I you know, 463 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: and growing up, you know, I grew up loving Michigan 464 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: and Michigan State, so I knew, you know, who he was. 465 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: As a Pistons fan, it was like the only situation 466 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: where you could like the Lakers in their fake Hollywood 467 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: ways because you knew they had sincerity from Michigan there. 468 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: But when we beat them, I wanted to beat them 469 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: more than anything, and I wanted Isaiah to get off. 470 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to beat them. But you know, he has 471 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: to be him Bird a couple other guys has to 472 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: be my favorite players of all time. So he was 473 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: our doctor j He was the world of basketball. And 474 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I love La. I remember, like, 475 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: you know, putting in the VCR watching tapes, watching tapes 476 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: in the VCR of just the opening scene of we 477 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: Hey we beat La Beat La from the Screams in 478 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: Boston and those type of things. So yeah, magic Magic 479 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: was you know, we're always point. I used to take 480 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: my fingers like him because I don't know, I thought 481 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: maybe that could make you dribble, But yeah, he was. 482 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: He's magic man. So yeah, I haven't seen a series 483 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: that I'm trying to wait zac a bench watch it all. 484 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: I can't wait. But yeah, man, and you know to 485 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: have leadership like that as well, from getting in the 486 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: seat to and also I say one more thing. The 487 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: best leaders to me are the ones that like shut 488 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: up when it's time to work. And from what I 489 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: know about Magic, the practices were legendary because as hard 490 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: as Riley and others work on him, he was always 491 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: ready in the shape. Some people just had a motor 492 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: like that, like Jordan stay able to do all that. 493 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: And part of that leadership is not just being able 494 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: to be a raw rock guy, but then trusting that 495 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna get on the line with him after a 496 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: rough light and runs express as well. So the other 497 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: day I had former Metal World Peace I think his 498 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: name is Meta Santa for our test now. I hope 499 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: I got that right. And I said to him, I said, man, 500 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: we can't normalize all these stars missing games. Like I'm 501 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: a kid from a small town. I went to a 502 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: Sonics game every three years of downtown. Freddie Brown and 503 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: Gus Williams and Jack Smithaman didn't play. It's bad man. 504 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: It was sad for me. And he said, he said 505 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: something very interesting, Chris. He said, listen, man, these guys 506 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: now in the last three or four years are making 507 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: thirty forty million dollars. They're young people like it's a lot, 508 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: and they they are hanging out with Hollywood A listers. 509 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: They're making more than movie stars. And he said, I 510 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: think over time they'll get adjusted to it. A lot 511 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: thrown at him. They've never made more money. He's like, 512 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he goes it was six seven years ago 513 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: a guy could make nine million and that was money. 514 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: Now it's thirty five, and the new CBA benefits the 515 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: star players. They make more than ever. And it was 516 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: an interesting takeaway. And I thought to myself, you know what, 517 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: I remember my first big contract that was like thirty two. 518 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: Thirty two, not twenty two. You get ahead of yourself 519 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: a little bit. You start thinking you're really, you know, 520 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: a little bit greater than you are. Your takeaway on 521 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: the missing of games by stars, do you think some 522 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: of it is we're just transitioning a lot of money 523 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: last four years. Guys, are you know what I mean, 524 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: feeling themselves a little or are you genuinely long term 525 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: worried about it. I'm a little worried about it because 526 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: it's part of the culture. So it starts with the team, 527 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, it starts with the team going from when 528 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: I played, we would be in practice after getting hurt 529 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: in a game a Wednesday. That doesn't matter in Milwaukee 530 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm talking about doesn't matter, but because the culture it 531 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: is to eat a steak and yell at a guy 532 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: and feel good about yourself through that, not getting any 533 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: better through practice, but running lines and things that have 534 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: nothing to do with getting in shape. That mentality. Remember 535 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: the joke team takes years off of guy's careers. It 536 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: was a joke, but it wasn't a joke. Guys were 537 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: not joking about it, and so kind of that overexaggerated 538 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: sense of man up and all that stuff, when really 539 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: it should have been like, hey guys, we just had 540 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: a sixth game and seven nights when y'all need a 541 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: day off. But it was always a big who so 542 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: one that really messed it up. So two teams trying 543 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 1: to fix it and then validating rest is what opened 544 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: the flood bays. My friend, when you have a team 545 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: saying you know, hey, guys, just let me know how 546 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: you're feeling, then you know my loyalty to my feeling, 547 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: not to getting through it. I don't want to walk 548 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: the treadmail and get up every morning. But if I 549 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: don't think about my feelings, I'll get through it and 550 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: overall helps my body. So I think the team gave 551 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: away out third. You know, when you did that at 552 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: thirty two, or I did that in my twenties, we 553 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: were like going against the grain, kind of like you 554 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: knew there were better stories, or don't do this, don't 555 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: do that. Well, now it's the culture of you know, 556 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: why not? You know you should be doing this right, 557 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, And so I think anytime you're going anytime, 558 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: the culture seems to be going in the way of 559 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: rest or. You know, when I played with Ai, this 560 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: is so true. You know, so many things are over exaggerated, 561 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: but he really played every game and you could say ego, 562 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: you could say pride, but he always started with somebody 563 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: in the arena that never saw him. And maybe you 564 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: have to be that good sometime to realize, like I'm 565 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: gonna make this kid's life. Maybe maybe it has to 566 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: be that because sick when those guys knew it because 567 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: shot the game didn't come on TV. It was late 568 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: and late, you know, you know, maybe it was more special, 569 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I get a little 570 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: worried about that. But I do believe, you know, in 571 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: the optimism of meta. You know, I do think it 572 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: can come back. But we used to be like, we 573 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: make the money, money don't make it. Now we might 574 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: do something stupid with the money and you know, lose 575 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: our mind. But the principle was, you know, we played 576 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: the game. Money doesn't make you good my paycheck. Matter 577 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: of fact, you make one of me, I'm gonna show 578 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: you by like you know. So that worries me that 579 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: the the spirit of the spirit of it has changed 580 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: as opposed to what guys were doing. Yeah, No, I 581 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: think there's been a lot of cultural changes. Um, it's 582 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: harder to hard coach a player. I mean even I 583 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: mean Chuck Daly had Hall of famers, he coached them hard, 584 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: pat Riley hard. Yes, it's hard. That hard coaching thing, Chris, 585 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't really exist anymore. No, no, no, 586 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: thank you for coming to work today. Hey, it's great 587 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: seeing him, man, I appreciate it ally. Thanks for having him. 588 00:33:46,880 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: All right, Sea web the volume, make sure to check 589 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: out the Draymond Green Show. 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