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Speaker 1: All right, here we go. It is our two on

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Speaker 1: a Tuesday. All those NFL camps are starting up. We

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Speaker 1: are live. We are in Chicago. It is the Herd,

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Speaker 1: so Jmac the you know it's it's the second round

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Speaker 1: picks for not signing contracts. Now they're starting to sign

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Speaker 1: contracts the first rounders who are all signed except guess what,

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, the Micah Parsons contract. Jerry Jones is

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Speaker 1: prone to do this to push it off, push it off,

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Speaker 1: push it off, push it off, then sign them late.

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Speaker 1: Now the downside is Miles Garrett comes in and signs

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Speaker 1: a edge Rush deal or a TJ. Watt does and

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Speaker 1: then the market tells you, well, you got to pay

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Speaker 1: Mi cup Off six million more a year than you

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Speaker 1: actually wanted to. So we talked about it. I think lad, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Last week. We talked about it Thursday Friday that if

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Speaker 1: you identify a guy very early, you know Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Sirtan, Patrick Mahomes, you know a left tackle. You

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Speaker 1: can identify guys very early and go, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay him. This is what Chargers did with

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, Like, that's gonna work for us. Philip Rivers gone,

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Speaker 1: we got our guy for the next ten years. I

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Speaker 1: am four paying. I think every team has one or

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Speaker 1: two players that you know at a really key position.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it for a linebacker. I wouldn't do

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Speaker 1: it for a safety. I wouldn't do it for an

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Speaker 1: interior alignment. But quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher, defensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: maybe a great corner. You can identify them very very

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Speaker 1: early and just sign them. Like Jamar Chase, Just get

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Speaker 1: that puppy done. Not only is he great, he played

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Speaker 1: with Burrow in college. Just get it signed. He's fine.

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Speaker 1: So Michael Parsons is an interesting one because I think

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Speaker 1: has a future as good as Jared Verse. He's not

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Speaker 1: they keep pushing it off, pushing it off, pushing it off.

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Speaker 1: And I think Jerry Jones, you know, I'd probably keep

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Speaker 1: this to myself, but Jerry keeps talking about the Micah

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Speaker 1: the reluctance. Why isn't it already done at camp this week?

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Speaker 3: Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to

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Speaker 3: have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,

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Speaker 3: we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest

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Speaker 3: paid it's position in the league and he got knocked

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Speaker 3: out two thirds of the year, Dark Prescott. So there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of things you can think about when you

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Speaker 3: and just as the player does, when you're thinking about

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Speaker 1: So I said this, the Cowboys have not had a

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Speaker 1: great draft since twenty twenty, and if you asked, when's

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Speaker 1: the last time Philadelphia had a great draft, Washington had

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Speaker 1: a great draft last year. So I think the division

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Speaker 1: next Lamar Jackson, the NFC version of Lamar Jackson, better

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Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles and now Jaden Daniels, you're going to

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Speaker 1: drafted well, they've been a non factor. And free agency.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't afford Derek Henry for eight million, how do the

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Speaker 1: rival Commanders. This feels like they've just played this out

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. I would have thought about last

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Speaker 1: year moving Micah and getting more draft capital. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I trust the Cowboys to draft the

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Speaker 1: the show today with his topic. So a story comes

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Speaker 1: out from The Athletic that Lebron is not going to

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Speaker 1: take a mid level exemption. He was not willing to

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Speaker 1: do it, but he had his eyes on the Dallas Mavericks,

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Speaker 1: which I have said. I think Cooper's better than Austin

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Speaker 1: Reeves is a young player, eighties better than DeAndre eight

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Speaker 1: But I think it'd be a really interesting team. But

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Speaker 1: was interesting to me as I said this. Lebron in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen or twenty nineteen acknowledged, I'm chasing a goat,

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Speaker 1: in his head, Lebron's like listen, Michael's more beloved. Michael's

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Speaker 1: net worth is three point five billion, minds one, I'm

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Speaker 1: never going to catch him. And the truth is, I'm

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Speaker 1: taking the money. I mean, that's the one I got

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Speaker 1: more points. My son made the league. I'm taking the

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Speaker 1: money that I do think there's a part of Lebron

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Speaker 1: that he knows going back to Cleveland that's a better

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Speaker 1: that's a better opportunity. But Michael's still in his head

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Speaker 1: and he's just going to take the money and bleed

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Speaker 1: it out for another year in La Okay.

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Speaker 4: I I think I disagree with every single piece of that.

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Speaker 4: So let's let's.

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Speaker 1: Go one by one.

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Speaker 4: You did a very interest I don't know that I

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Speaker 4: agree with you that next year Cooper Flag will be

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Speaker 4: already better than Austin Reeves. Maybe, but let's just say

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Speaker 4: that's a push. Obviously, Anthony Davis, yes, is better than

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Speaker 4: DeAndre Ayton. But there's one guy on the Lakers. I'm

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Speaker 4: trying to figure out. Remember who it was who you

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Speaker 4: didn't do the tit for tat with? Oh yeah, Lukadancic.

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Speaker 4: So who's the guy on the MAVs that cancels out

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Speaker 4: Lukodancic on the Lakers. I'm just curious, and like, as

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Speaker 4: a crazy thought exercise, like if you traded the best

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Speaker 4: you think the public reaction would be who won that

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Speaker 4: trade or did somebody get concussed? It was the worst

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Speaker 4: trade in NBA history. So there's that piece of it

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Speaker 4: where if Kyrie were healthy.

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Speaker 1: And then then you could talk me into it.

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Speaker 4: But I think Kyrie's gonna miss all of certainly most

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Speaker 4: is why the Lebron money thing to me is so

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Speaker 4: wildly unfair. First of all, he's the only guy in

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Speaker 4: all of the best players have made hundreds of millions

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Speaker 4: feel like he's at the very least unfairly compensated in

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Speaker 4: his direction. Steph Curry, who Lebron by every vote, all

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Speaker 4: the awards, every metric Lebron was better than last year,

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Speaker 4: is the highest paid player in the league.

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Speaker 1: No one has a problem with it. So there's that

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Speaker 4: There's the other piece of it, which is you are

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are acting as if

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Speaker 4: a championship, that we are all pretending that championship would

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Speaker 4: not have been met with eye rolls and stacked the

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Speaker 4: deck and fake title all of Lebron's titles, by the way,

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Speaker 4: Ray Allen saved him Kyrie in Bubble Championship. Every Lebron championship,

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Speaker 4: no matter the competition, no.

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Speaker 1: Matter how well he's played.

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Speaker 4: Some folks have tried to put an asterisk on if

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Speaker 4: he took the minimum to go play for a team

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Speaker 4: that won sixty four games, people would definitively try to

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Speaker 4: put an asterisk on it. So I don't think that

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Speaker 4: there was a way for Lebron to do this where

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Speaker 4: he was going to escape criticism. I also think that

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Speaker 4: what is true is you can't No one ever can

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Speaker 4: have everything in life, and Lebron, because of the salary

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Speaker 4: to leave the Lakers and go to a contender, and

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Speaker 4: leaving forty seven million dollars on the table is not

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Speaker 4: appealing to anybody, and so I understand it. I'm also

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Speaker 4: not one hundred percent certain Lebron finishes the year as

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Speaker 4: a Laker, but they've made some moves around the edges.

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Speaker 4: Luke will be great, they will be contenderish and you'll see.

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Speaker 1: How they look at the deadline. So I'm going to

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Speaker 1: if you look at the nil, Nick Saban can't go

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Speaker 1: to pay Nick sixty million, and you'd have to buy

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Speaker 1: going to Bama. He's not going to any of these schools, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: There's just no way that colleges can They can't be

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Speaker 1: that if I was Cleveland and got the number one

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Speaker 1: I would draft Archs Manning. I would hire Nick Saban.

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Speaker 1: Tell me if you ran a team in this league

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Speaker 1: old Nick Saban. I floated it last week. Even urban

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Speaker 1: Meyer said, oh, yeah, he'll take an NFL call. Do

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Speaker 1: you believe that would you hire him? Oh? I definitely yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean I don't know that he would definitively be

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Speaker 4: my number one choice first phone call, because every you know,

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Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin might be available after this year.

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm just picking that name out of the hat.

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Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, there's very often there's

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Speaker 4: has passed at his destination who comes available. So I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying Nick Saban would be the number one candidate

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Speaker 4: And I do think that what NIL has done is

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Speaker 4: it has leveled the playing field inasmuch as if Saban

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Speaker 4: he was sacking up national championships at Auburn. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean you mentioned. I mean, I'll throw a different

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Speaker 4: for Cincinnati. I think Nick Saban's an interesting idea.

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Speaker 4: Team It's like, listen, got to coach up the defense,

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Speaker 4: got to have someone to actually have as big of

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Speaker 4: a voice in the organization as the owner. Got to

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Speaker 4: clean up some of the nonsense going into years they

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Speaker 4: deal with every year again most of which is owner related,

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Speaker 4: Now, I did take them to go to the super

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Speaker 7: News now, Colin, we moved off the silly season in

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Speaker 5: A lot's going on. Well, all of a sudden people

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Speaker 7: And Dak Prescott said some at the start of camp

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Speaker 7: You're facing a lot of elite quarterbacks. You see Patrick

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Speaker 7: Olons in there.

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Speaker 1: That's a rough schedule, and yeah, that is a rough schedule.

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Speaker 5: I don't have them winning the division. And also John allgo.

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks, Yeah, you go Stafford Baker Mayfield, Trevor Lawrence, Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold brought pretty bow knicks, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, Justin Herbert. There's like eight games you better

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Speaker 1: play well. You can't turn it over.

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Speaker 7: So I know we flip flopped on this division. I

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Speaker 7: think last you checked in it, you had Titans winning

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Speaker 7: the division.

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Speaker 1: No, I think I have Texans winning it, Titans wild card.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I will go Jaguars. I'm ryan the.

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Speaker 1: Trevor you're high on them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna made on them.

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Speaker 7: Final story, Colin, Okay, Okay, here we go. WNBA. Obviously,

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Speaker 7: there was the big T shirt issue over the weekend. Well, reportedly,

448
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Speaker 7: forty players went to a big meeting.

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Speaker 5: Over the All Star weekend to.

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Speaker 7: Discuss the CBA, and negotiations are at a standstill. WNBA

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Speaker 7: players have asked for a revenue share similar to other

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Speaker 7: pro sports. Obviously, if the WNBA had a CBA structure

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Speaker 7: like the NBA. This is what a first year of

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Speaker 7: the rookie Supermax would look like.

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Speaker 5: Okay, based on.

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Speaker 7: The cap, they're only currently getting sixteen and a half

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Speaker 7: percent of the cap. It would go up to twenty

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Speaker 7: five percent, which is reasonable. They're not breaking the bank.

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Speaker 7: Here the way this breaks down, Colin, I don't hate it.

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Speaker 7: I'm just curious that the owners are going to say, well,

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Speaker 7: we're not giving you everything you want.

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Speaker 5: We're not gonna go twenty five, We'll go twenty one, and.

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Speaker 7: Then it's like, no, we need twenty five to get

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Speaker 7: on par with the other pro sports leagues.

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Speaker 1: And I would be much more comfortable giving them rev

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Speaker 1: shares than massive salaries like baseball football or the NBA,

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Speaker 1: because in those leagues, you have a broader number of

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Speaker 1: superstar players that move the needle and win games. I think,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you. I mean, you know you've got

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Speaker 1: six to eight really elite players in this league that

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Speaker 1: can sell some merch. Obviously there's one Caitlin Clark. But

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Speaker 1: my take is I do a rev share with a

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Speaker 1: WNBA much more than I would give them, like thirty

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Speaker 1: percent of revenues, but they're only getting nine percent. And

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Speaker 1: I know everybody's banging on the last twenty five years

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Speaker 1: of the WNBA, but the bottom line is, what you

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Speaker 1: want to do when your contract is up is to

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Speaker 1: be hot, and right now the WNBA merch, ticket sales,

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Speaker 1: TV ratings is hot. Now. I know it's driven by

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark, but guess what, she's not going anywhere for

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Speaker 1: a decade, so she's this is the worst she'll ever

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Speaker 1: be because she's banged up now. So for the next

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Speaker 1: ten years, you can make a lot of money in

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Speaker 1: this league advertising dollars, suites, ticket sales, merch. I think

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Speaker 1: the players have some I think they have some leverage.

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Speaker 1: They have.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the whole red share deal A lot of people

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Speaker 7: don't understand. In the podcast space, there's a lot of

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Speaker 7: revenue sharing deals, but it's like, hey, I'm doing numbers,

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Speaker 7: you're not doing your part selling the podcast and making

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Speaker 7: me money.

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Speaker 5: So I don't love a red share idea for the WNBA.

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Speaker 5: I just say, hey, the NBA players have this, why

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Speaker 5: can't we have this? But obviously it's going to be

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Speaker 5: a much like.

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Speaker 1: Down version, like people are saying this, I hear a

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Speaker 1: lot of this. Well, they've only got one player that

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Speaker 1: moves the needle. If you made a movie like Matt

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Speaker 1: Damon was in the adjacent Bourne series, oh yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you can argue the only guy that really sold tickets

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Speaker 1: was Matt Damon in that movie. All the writers, all

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Speaker 1: of it, they didn't really sell tickets. It was just

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Speaker 1: basically Matt Damon. Okay, it was still a great series.

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Speaker 1: I would have invested in that series. You could say

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Speaker 1: Mission impossible. It's basically Tom Cruise. Everybody else can move around,

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Speaker 1: but it's all about Tom Cruise. It's been a great

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Speaker 1: series for over a decade. So the bottom line is

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark will never be a worse player and less

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Speaker 1: recognized than now, so they have leverage. When Tiger Woods

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Speaker 1: was on the tour, if you were a network vine

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Speaker 1: for a major golf event, well, I mean only Tiger

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Speaker 1: Woods moves the needle. Yeah, but he's going to be

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Speaker 1: great for twelve years and I'm going to get him

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Speaker 1: on my network if I pay the PGA blank. So

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Speaker 1: I don't need a depth of talent to want to

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Speaker 1: know to want to sign a league. I don't.

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Speaker 7: The only problem with that is, like Tom Cruise stars

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Speaker 7: in the whole movie, nobody's stealing scenes, nobody's emerging as

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Speaker 7: a superstar in that movie. In the WNBA, there'll be

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Speaker 7: a week where Susie Q goes off and averages thirty

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Speaker 7: points and she's like, hey, I'm not making any money.

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Speaker 7: It's all going to Caitlin Clark. I mean, listen, it's

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Speaker 7: tough and complicated. It's not gonna be sorted out right now.

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Speaker 7: I would guess there's probably some holdout gonna happen here

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Speaker 7: because these players seem really rooted and dug in Colin

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Speaker 7: kind of like the political spectrum right now, people do

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Speaker 7: not want to move off their opinions. I don't think

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Speaker 7: these players want to move off at all. I would

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Speaker 7: not be shocked if there was a hold out.

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Speaker 1: With the wn Well, but WNBA players relative to other

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Speaker 1: pro leagues, don't make a lot of money. Now, Caitlin

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Speaker 1: Clark made eleven million off the court this year. She's fine,

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Speaker 1: But most of these players, eventually, I think they've caved ownership.

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Speaker 1: I think so. J mcklnews, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd line. News.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's entering his seventh season at Ohio State. He's

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Speaker 1: coached eighty games and won seventy of him in the

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Speaker 1: National Championship last year they won four playoff games by

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Speaker 1: an average at ten points. Look at that, he's got

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Speaker 1: a Herd microphone. Boy, you are part of the team here, coach.

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Speaker 1: I love seeing that. Let's start with this. That your

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Speaker 1: schedule Texas to start, it's rough. Three weeks later at

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Speaker 1: Seattle at Illinois, best Illinois team in years, Penn State

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Speaker 1: at Michigan. You've got a quarterback who's really good, Julian saying,

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Speaker 1: you got to get him ready to roll really early

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Speaker 1: in that season. How big of a what do you

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Speaker 1: do as a staff to get that kid ready? Week

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Speaker 1: one is arguably the toughest game he will play in

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Speaker 1: his career. How do you get him ready to roll?

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Speaker 9: Well, it starts early.

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Speaker 8: When you start off with a game like this first

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Speaker 8: game of the season, you know, it's it just has

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Speaker 8: your attention even in July, and then you know, we've

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Speaker 8: got to have a great August.

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Speaker 9: You know, I think in the spring we made a

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Speaker 9: lot of progress.

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Speaker 8: We try to put him in as many game situations

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Speaker 8: as possible and then go from there. But you know,

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Speaker 8: he's got a really good supporting group around him. You know,

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Speaker 8: Linking Keynots is right there with him too. He's had

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Speaker 8: a great summer. So the two of these guys are

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Speaker 8: going to compete, you know, all summer and we'll kind

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Speaker 8: of see how that all shakes out. But put them

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Speaker 8: in as many competitive situations as possible and see how

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Speaker 8: they react to it. But ultimately, they got really good

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Speaker 8: guys around them. They need to make routine plays, take

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Speaker 8: care of the football, and then you know, when it's

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Speaker 8: fourth and two, find a way to get three yards.

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Speaker 1: You know, people would look at this and say, boy,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Day, he's got the national championship. I would argue,

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Speaker 1: this is a tough year to be a coach at

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. You lost sixteen starters. You got to navigate

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Speaker 1: through this nil which is hard for everybody, including Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: You could draw up plays in front of me for

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Speaker 1: five hours, but creating chemistry is hard. You got a

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Speaker 1: lot of new faces. Let's take us through that. Like

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Speaker 1: the downside of being Ohio State is you lose fifteen

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Speaker 1: guys to the pros every year. You've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of new faces. How do you build that culture quickly?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think going back to last year, we had

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Speaker 8: so many guys decided to come back, and then we

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Speaker 8: brought in a few older guys in the portal and

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Speaker 8: then so what happened was, you know, like you said,

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Speaker 8: you had a mass exodus this year. But that's part

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Speaker 8: of the cultures is bringing those young guys along and

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Speaker 8: they were able to not only be a part of

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Speaker 8: the run, but they they played. They just they didn't

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Speaker 8: carry the water. And so now they have to do that.

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Speaker 8: And so one of the biggest challenges this offseason was

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Speaker 8: our team has to grow up. And the faster we

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Speaker 8: grow up, the faster we're going to be able to,

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Speaker 8: you know, reach our maximum capacity. And so you know,

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Speaker 8: the goal was for that to be in the first

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Speaker 8: game and then you know, we come up for air

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Speaker 8: and figure out where we're at But you guys are

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Speaker 8: going to be a little experience going into the season.

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Speaker 8: But but that's college football. You're constantly gonna have turnover

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Speaker 8: like this, and so this is the first time we've

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Speaker 8: gone through it before. But having a game like this

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Speaker 8: certainly has everybody's attention in the summer.

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Speaker 1: Well I said yesterday, I picked Penn State to play

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Speaker 1: for the national championship, and I said the fact that

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Speaker 1: Ohio State is as good as they are and the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten media took Penn State. I said, I think

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Speaker 1: Penn State's backfield's about as good as a college backfield

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Speaker 1: can get their O lines excellent. I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a real challenge. The good thing you get them,

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Speaker 1: you get them at home, and that is a big advantage.

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Speaker 1: You beat them last year there. Now you get them

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Speaker 1: at home and that's where the field goal are more

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Speaker 1: in college football. Let's talk to Penn State game because

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Speaker 1: everybody's going to talk about Texas. But it looks like

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Speaker 1: to me over the last three years, Ryan, I said

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Speaker 1: this yesterday, I think the Big Ten at the top

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Speaker 1: is better than the SEC. I think the NIL is

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Speaker 1: more powerful. You've got more big markets. You go back

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Speaker 1: three years. When you look at film on Sunday preparing

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Speaker 1: for the next team, do you notice a significant improvement

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Speaker 1: in your conference personnel wise, not just from Penn State,

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Speaker 1: but illinoi in Minnesota and Iowa. Do you notice it

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Speaker 1: on film?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Yes, I think that we have tremendous coaches. I think

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Speaker 8: James does a great job, Brett does a great job.

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Speaker 8: You know, you see the different coaches throughout the league.

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Speaker 8: So I think the Big Ten is attracting the best

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Speaker 8: coaches in the country, not to say anyone, you know,

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Speaker 8: other conferences don't have great coaches, but I think we

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Speaker 8: have really good coaches. But I also think that you know,

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Speaker 8: with the you know, the age of the NIL, we're

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Speaker 8: able to tap into the resources that you know, some

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Speaker 8: of the Big Ten areas are able to grab onto.

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Speaker 8: And certainly, you know, Columbus is one of those that

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Speaker 8: not only has a great infrastructure in the city, but

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Speaker 8: also the fan base that we have, and I think

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Speaker 8: that's been powerful along the way to continue to build

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Speaker 8: and we're positioned really good moving forward, like you said,

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Speaker 8: But the other part of it is, you know, when

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Speaker 8: you bring in some of the strongest teams, you know,

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Speaker 8: four of them from the Pac twelve to make an

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Speaker 8: eight team team conference. Now you're talking about a national

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Speaker 8: conference that's strong from coast to coast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your schedule is rough. What is the balance? Because

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Speaker 1: I still think I said this before USC LSU and

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Speaker 1: Colorado went heavy portal, and I don't feel like their

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Speaker 1: chemistry has ever been as solvent as stable as yours.

647
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Speaker 1: And my take is there is a balance. I mean,

648
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Speaker 1: when you can get a Caleb Downs, go get him.

649
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: The kids just absolutely incredible. But do you go back

650
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Speaker 1: and forth on this? Is it a little bit of

651
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Speaker 1: an emotional balance of how much is high school and

652
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Speaker 1: how much is nil? Because I still think high school football,

653
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Speaker 1: you know the odometer, you've been recruiting him since they

654
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Speaker 1: were fourteen. Sometimes you get anil guy Ryan and you

655
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Speaker 1: just there's stuff. You don't know. What is the perfect

656
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Speaker 1: balance to you on that?

657
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Speaker 9: I think it's a great point.

658
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Speaker 8: I think we could talk about it for a long time,

659
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Speaker 8: but I think now more than ever, we have to

660
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Speaker 8: recruit the right people and then retain them, and then

661
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Speaker 8: develop them and then keep them in your program, which.

662
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Speaker 9: Is kind of what you sawlast year.

663
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Speaker 8: We did add a couple of pieces, but the majority

664
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Speaker 8: of that team was guys that have been here for

665
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Speaker 8: four and five years, and not only the older but

666
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Speaker 8: you know, they had a lot of experience and they.

667
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Speaker 9: Really wanted to leave a legacy behind at Ohio State.

668
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Speaker 8: And to your point, I think we're you know, we're

669
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Speaker 8: all trying to figure that part of it out. And

670
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Speaker 8: I think at Ohio State, you know, we want to

671
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Speaker 8: make sure as the rules continue to evolve and really change,

672
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Speaker 8: like the new format of the salary cap, and we're

673
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Speaker 8: all trying to identify how this third party NIL is

674
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Speaker 8: actually going to be figured out and really managed, you know,

675
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Speaker 8: in the structure that's going to be in place in

676
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Speaker 8: enforcement wise. You know, we're all trying to figure that

677
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Speaker 8: part of it out. And I think some programs, you know,

678
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Speaker 8: their decision is to be really super aggressive, and there's

679
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Speaker 8: other programs that are going to try to be in

680
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Speaker 8: the middle, and then some others that are conservative. And

681
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Speaker 8: I think understanding that the culture is the number one

682
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Speaker 8: most important thing along the way, we've got to make

683
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Speaker 8: sure the culture is right.

684
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Speaker 9: And so that's the focus for me. That's the focus

685
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Speaker 9: for us. We've got to make sure we.

686
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Speaker 8: Still have the right people, recruit the right people in

687
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Speaker 8: high school and then retain them.

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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, Well, I had said on

689
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Speaker 1: this show, I said Jamar Chase was a pro when

690
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Speaker 1: he was a sophomore at LSU. Who I said he's

691
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Speaker 1: playing on Saturday is that guy would be a Number

692
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Speaker 1: one on Sundays as a sophomore. He's the best young

693
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Speaker 1: receiver I think I've ever seen. And then I watched

694
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith and I'm like, oh no, he's better. How

695
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Speaker 1: do you keep somebody that gifted, who's gonna win all

696
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Speaker 1: one on one matchups? How do you keep him focused?

697
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Speaker 1: How do you keep him centered? How do you keep

698
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Speaker 1: him energized? How do you keep him I mean, listen,

699
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Speaker 1: he's going to beat coverage. There's nobody like him in

700
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Speaker 1: college football. That can be a challenge for a coach.

701
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Speaker 1: How do you keep him centered and focused and energized

702
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: when he is that gifted and can beat singular coverage

703
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Speaker 1: so easily and consistently.

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Speaker 8: I think the thing that's remarkable about Jeremiah is you

705
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Speaker 8: don't have to He does it on his own. He's

706
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Speaker 8: self motivated, he brings it every day. Our strength coach

707
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 8: mcmuratty was talking about the other day when we do

708
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Speaker 8: warm up sprints before every workout. He wins every one

709
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Speaker 8: of them, he says the other day, because he wins

710
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Speaker 8: every single sprint, he just for somebody is a talent

711
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Speaker 8: as he is. He has a tremendous amount of discipline

712
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Speaker 8: and skill in his life. And I think that's what's

713
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Speaker 8: making you know, he's already special, but it's it's continuing

714
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Speaker 8: to make him special.

715
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Speaker 9: I mean, you should see him now.

716
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Speaker 8: He's bigger, he's faster, he's stronger, he's extremely motivated.

717
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Speaker 9: He wants to win every game.

718
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Speaker 8: When he loses a game, I mean he can't eat

719
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Speaker 8: solid food for a long time. I mean, he really

720
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Speaker 8: cares about his teammates. He sets an amazing example, and

721
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Speaker 8: he doesn't need to be motivated. I think that's what

722
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Speaker 8: makes him special. And I think a lot of guys

723
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Speaker 8: are seeing that in his own way. You know, he's

724
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Speaker 8: not a real, you know, verbal guy. He doesn't you know,

725
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Speaker 8: really you know, get out and get out in front

726
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Speaker 8: of things in terms of that. But he leads the

727
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Speaker 8: way in terms of his work ethic and obviously he

728
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Speaker 8: has so much respect for what he does on the field.

729
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Speaker 9: But you know, when you talk to people who play

730
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Speaker 9: up against him.

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Speaker 8: I think his size and his power and his strength

732
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Speaker 8: and what really separates him as a player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just I mean, he just comes out of

734
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Speaker 1: the uniform like he just there. You don't have to

735
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Speaker 1: be a football expert to watch him come out of

736
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Speaker 1: the tunnel and go, wow, Ryan Day the national championship

737
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Speaker 1: a Buckeye coach. They open on Fox with Texas that

738
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Speaker 1: Folks is one for the ages. Get in front of

739
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Speaker 1: a TV and enjoy that. It's in Columbus and that

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Speaker 1: isn't edge. Ryan. We appreciate you stopping by.

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Speaker 9: Thanks call I appreciate you. Man.

742
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Speaker 1: You bet that's going to be when's the last time

743
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: an opening game in the college football weekend was that good?

744
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't say that. You could argue well that the

745
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: two best players in the country are Jeremiah Smith and

746
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Speaker 1: Caleb Downs. Those are the two best players in the country.

747
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Speaker 1: I had somebody tell me that Caleb Downs would have

748
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Speaker 1: gone number one. You got almost take out quarterback. He

749
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: would have goten number one last year's draft, that's how

750
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Speaker 1: good he is. Then you got arch Manning, which is

751
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: an unbelievable store. You have two huge brands that I

752
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: bet you that sets a record for a Labor Day

753
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: weekend college football game. I bet you that sets an

754
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: Everybody tells me on nobody's watching TV that will set

755
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Speaker 1: a record. I can't wait for that thing. Fox gave

756
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Speaker 1: me my college football preview book this weekend. I'm sitting

757
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: there watching the British Open, The Open with Rory McKell

758
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: and Scotti Scheffler and reading that I'm not gonna be

759
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie eleven thirty in the morning, a

760
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: pot a cold one. I was totally committed to that

761
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: beer and Texas Ohio State and the Open live in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: It's third.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

764
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Speaker 2: in neonon Eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

765
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

766
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Speaker 5: Sunday on Fox.

767
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 7: With a historic three feet on the line, can Alex

768
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Speaker 7: Below become the fastest ever to lock up Indie Series

769
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Speaker 7: championship or will the Pack hold him off at Laguna Sake?

770
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Speaker 7: It all starts Sunday at three eastern only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: By the way, USC reached out to me and said

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Speaker 1: we dispute the athletics revenue numbers. They listed him at

773
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Speaker 1: seventy one million, which puts him around Ole, Miss Miami, Utah,

774
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Speaker 1: South Carolina. USC says, hey, that's not the case. We

775
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: have almost double that. They'd be around seven or eight

776
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Speaker 1: kind of Tennessee, Bama, Auburn Ish area. USC is private,

777
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: by the way, but this is the number we worked

778
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Speaker 1: off of. I do know USC is raising eight. I've

779
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: said this ten times during the last six months. They're

780
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: up to about eighteen million in the nil, which I

781
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: never thought they'd get to. Jen Cohen's the athletic director.

782
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: It has been it has been a work to kind

783
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Speaker 1: of galvanize all the boosters to be on the same page.

784
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Speaker 1: But it's really it is still really interesting. USC didn't

785
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Speaker 1: have a single player first team offense or defense. Indiana

786
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: and Iowa have four each, and so it's fascinanding with

787
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley. He's making too much money. There's no buyout happening.

788
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Speaker 1: They're building new facilities, They're given eighteen million. They got

789
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Speaker 1: the donors. They have some older donors. I don't know

790
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: how many great young donors they have. But it's a

791
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: fascinating college football dilemma out west for USC because Oregon

792
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: has got nothing but money. Michigan in Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas,

793
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Speaker 1: A and M. So you would think because of the

794
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles County in LA, you'd think USC is loaded.

795
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Speaker 1: Now they're saying we're way more loaded and doing much

796
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Speaker 1: better than the athletic is saying. And they are private.

797
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Speaker 1: So I'm not exactly sure how the athletic got all

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Speaker 1: their numbers. I know their nil number is. I was

799
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Speaker 1: told two years ago it was at thirteen, and I

800
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Speaker 1: thought that was, you know, six to seven below Oregon,

801
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: but I thought that was double Washington. I was blown

802
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Speaker 1: away by that because it's a very political, distracted, kind

803
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: of agenda driven base. But they're saying, hey, our number

804
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: is much better than that. But what's interesting is all

805
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Speaker 1: the other teams that are spending that kind of money,

806
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: they got a lot of good players. That's the thing.

807
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: If USC's is in line with all these where are

808
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: the players. They don't have a single player first team

809
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: all big ten offens or defense, and they have a

810
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: Page A left tackle, Kamari Ramsey, Eric Gentry, a linebacker,

811
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Speaker 1: lemon A widersh. They got some good players. But you know,

812
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: these days, this idea of we're going to move off

813
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: coaches those days are over. If you're paying fifteen million

814
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: up for NIL, keeping up with facilities, you're not buying

815
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Speaker 1: at a coach for seventy million dollars as well, and

816
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Speaker 1: then bringing a new guy for seventy five. Those days

817
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: are over. You know, you don't have to like Brian

818
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: Kelly and LSU. He's going to stay until he wants

819
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: to go. That's just what the NIL has done for

820
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: the record. J Mac, did you Nick Wright earlier talked

821
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Speaker 1: about Caleb Williams. He thinks it starts well. I thought

822
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: he brought up a really interesting point and it's one

823
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Speaker 1: that you agree with. Here's what the Bears have going

824
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: for them Detroit, and I think it's even the oddsmakers

825
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: in Vegas, the draft kings of the worlds are saying

826
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Speaker 1: Detroit's pulling back. They lost their stud center, the schedule tough,

827
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: everybody in the division is probably better. They lost both coordinators.

828
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Speaker 1: So that's what the Bears have going for him. Detroit's

829
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: not going to be as dominant as they've been in

830
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Speaker 1: the last two years. Secondly, we don't know if JJ

831
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: McCarthy can play, and there's people that I trust saying

832
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: it ain't great. There's a reason you're not seeing much video.

833
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: Third is Jordan Love did not end the season in

834
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Speaker 1: good shape, and they drafted the receiver with a first pick.

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Speaker 1: You and I love Green Bay's receivers inside the building,

836
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Speaker 1: they clearly don't because their first pick was a wide receiver.

837
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Speaker 1: So I would say this regarding the Bears, that division

838
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: looks like it's as good as the AFC West with

839
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Speaker 1: Kansas City. Here's Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly and Sean

840
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: Payton and bow Nix and Herbert and Harbaugh, JJ McCarthy.

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00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: We don't know, Detroit. I think you and Nick Fairley

842
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: are saying that's the pullback team of last year in

843
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: Green Bay this morning. Do we know what Jordon Love is?

844
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Speaker 5: Well, let me ask you, do we know what Caleb

845
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Speaker 5: Williams is?

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Speaker 1: We don't. But I like going into a season having

847
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: upgraded O line significantly and head coach significantly. That I like.

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Speaker 1: I have the Bears as a wild card team, about

849
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: nine to ten wins, wild card team.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna see you got the playoffs, Cowhard fifteen.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to it.