1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Second hour of Clay and Buck starts 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: right now, everybody. I'm here in New York City, so 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: I'll be giving you my sense of how things are 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: going here, given that there's been it's been quite a 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: week Clay in New York. A lot of stuff going 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: on here in the Big Apple. Obviously, the arrival of 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump a couple of days ago was memorable for 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people here, especially those who went down. 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: I had some friends who were down at that protest, 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: m so and and and it came off fine. There 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: was no problem with the protest. Everybody was peaceful and 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: everybody was law abiding, and you know, good fine. Second Amendment, 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, god, first Amendment, first amendent. I can't 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: believe I just did that First Amendment alive and well, um, 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: so so that was good. So anyway, um, I want 17 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: to talk about Rohn Desantish Rohn DeSantis here, who is in. 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: First of all, Massy came out right, Clay, this was 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: this was an interesting moments. So tell everybody what's going 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: on with Congressman Massey. Yeah, So, I first of all, 21 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: think Congressman Massey Kentucky, one of the most interesting and 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: consistent thinkers in Congress. Seems to me to be a 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: very very smart, consistent guy with a lot of intellectual 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: heff behind him. Even if you disagree with him, I 25 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: think you have to respect his perspectives. So this, to me, 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: he is a big deal. DeSantis has not yet officially announced. 27 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: In Florida. We have been talking about Donald Trump sucking 28 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: up all of the oxygen, and deservedly so for the chaotic, 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: indefensible charges that have been brought against him in New 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: York City. But I think the DeSantis camp was smart. Here. 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: Thomas Massey, very well liked Republican from Kentucky on the right, 32 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: particularly in this country, announced that he's endorsing Rod de Santis. 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: Now to be fair, same day Byron Donald's, so really good, 34 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: well liked guy down in I believe the Naples area 35 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: of Florida, where we're going to be by the way 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: and a couple of weeks doing an event as we 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: promised we would in the wake of Hurricane Ivan slamming 38 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: into the southwest Florida coast. Byron Donald's endorsed Donald Trump today. 39 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: So this sort of shadow boxing. While all of the 40 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: attention has gone to brag versus Trump in the indictment 41 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: and everything else, the big story of Trump versus De 42 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: Santis is still in play, and I thought this was 43 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: a smart decision by the DeSantis camp. DeSantis is up 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: in Michigan effectively campaigning and what he hopes will be 45 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: a swing state in twenty twenty four, and we'll maybe 46 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: play some of those cuts. But to me, getting Massy 47 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: to come out and endorse De Santis is just letting 48 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: people know, hey, we're still rolling along with our plans. 49 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: We're going to announce, because they wouldn't have these endorsements 50 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: coming out if his presidential campaign was not still a 51 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: full go. There is also a I mentioned it on 52 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: the Erath a couple of weeks ago, resigned to run 53 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: law in Florida that I think is going to be 54 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: amended during this legislative session. That's important. So that directly 55 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: goes to why he hasn't announced, and you were right 56 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: on that. So that's that's something to keep in mind here. 57 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: And the legislative session is racking up all kinds of 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: victories in Florida, including constitutional carry, which I believe starts 59 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: in July, and I am going to pay close attention 60 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: to it because I'll be a I actually I'm going 61 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: to be enrolling. It's funny. I just enrolled with my 62 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: brother or about to a role I should say, in 63 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: a concealed carry weapons class, just because I like to 64 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: be as as up on everything as is possible. I mean, 65 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: I think you can never get trained enough. You can 66 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: never know the law well enough. If you're going to 67 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: carry a firearm. You want to be one hundred out 68 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: of one hundred on the test. You don't want to 69 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: be ninety seven out of one hundred tests. You know 70 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: what I mean. But you can constitution That's just my 71 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: personal preference. You can constitutional carry coming up soon. And 72 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: also I think in the wake of what happened in 73 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Wisconsin that that was in the wake of the wake 74 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: up call effectively. I mean, I think people realize, okay, guys, 75 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: that is it doesn't seem important till you play it 76 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: out politically. And I shouldn't say it doesn't see important. 77 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: Everyone Wisconsin is important, But you know, state judge generally 78 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: is not something if you'll live in New York or Texas, 79 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: you don't care who a judge in. You know, Wisconsin 80 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: or Minnesota is going to be usually right, it's not 81 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: your problem. Well, it matters in this context because it 82 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: also meant delivering the Wisconsin State Supreme Court to the Libs. 83 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: And now they're just going to do everything they can 84 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: on the um election front to tilt it toward the 85 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Democrats right next door in Michigan, what is it the 86 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: is it the Badgers versus the Wolverines? Is that right? 87 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: But that is correct? Thank you trying to make up 88 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: You're trying to make up for your your confusion between 89 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: the astros and yeah, we don't get confused. Yeah we'll 90 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: tell you. But about that, that's not everyone. Houston was like, 91 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: good Heavens, bless your heart, Buck, bless your heart. So yeah, no, 92 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: the RHN de Santists visit here in Michigan, I think 93 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: is interesting because he's speaking specifically about what we have 94 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: to do to win in places like Michigan and Wisconsin. 95 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: Play it. Do what Florida did, get rid of ballot harvesting, 96 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: get rid of Zuckerbucks. But if that's not the law 97 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: in your state, you need to use those rules for 98 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: Republicans advantage. You can't have Republicans fighting with one hand 99 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: behind their backs. And so I think you should have 100 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: ballot harvesting where it's legal, and then fight to have 101 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: the legislatures and those states get rid of it, because 102 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: that's not the way you should conduct an election. But 103 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: if you let Democrats do all this and all we 104 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: do is complain about it, you're given the Democrats an advantage. 105 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: And I'm sick of that. It's true in every state 106 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: where there are I mean, what we really have to do. 107 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: And I know this is kind of hard maybe to 108 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: hear a little bit. It doesn't feel good to say 109 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: what Democrats done successfully in some of these places. What 110 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: does the we complain about the Democrat machine in a 111 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: city like Chicago, for example. Now, obviously we're not going 112 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: to copy the illegal parts of what they do, but 113 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: what are they doing legally? Because there are things they're 114 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: doing legally that we should be doing in a number 115 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: of states, and I mean Michigan, Wisconsin. If you don't 116 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: win Michigan Wisconsin, it's pretty much game over. I mean, 117 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: at that point, you'd have to have some crazy flips 118 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: to win twenty twenty four. Look, and I think this 119 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: is important. You and I in the wake of the 120 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: mid terms came on and we were some of the 121 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: first people I know in media who just said, hey, 122 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: let's be honest, they have a better game plan than us. 123 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: Before you can win, you have to at least copy 124 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: what the other side is doing really well, right, everybody 125 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: kind of runs the same plays and people got madness. 126 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: We got a little lamb based for it, you know, 127 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: ad a couple of did a couple of folks a 128 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: little sore at us over this one. We're just we're 129 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: trying to spread the love. We want to win. But 130 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: did now Trump and DeSantis have both in dorse this. 131 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: And I can share this story because I said it 132 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: the other day at a fundraising event. I was out 133 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: in Arizona two days I believe after the election in 134 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: the mid terms, and I was speaking in the Scottsdale 135 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: area and I talked with and maybe even the day after, 136 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: Senator Bill Haggerty of Tennessee, and he said, I'm looking 137 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: at all the day to Haggerty is really a smart guy. 138 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: He said, I'm looking at all the data, and we 139 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: are putting together an elite analytics team to figure out 140 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: how they won in these toss up states because we 141 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: cannot allow this same advantage that they have to persist 142 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: into twenty twenty four. And I'm glad regardless of whether 143 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: you're a big Decantis guy, a big Trump guy, Nicky Haley, 144 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: whoever you're supporting, every single Republican who is running for 145 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: the nomination in twenty twenty three into twenty twenty four 146 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: needs to one billion percent get behind exploiting whatever the 147 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: existing laws. You can argue after twenty twenty four, what 148 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: the law should be at played by the rules that 149 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: exist in every state, and if Democrats are ballot harvesting, 150 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: then take advantage of it and buck. What I have 151 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: heard from a lot of Republicans out there, including Senator Haggerty, 152 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: is what is so effective about what Democrats are doing 153 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: is it allows them to know whose votes they've gotten in, 154 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: so they can move down the flow chart and go 155 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: after these low probability voters and just lambast to them. 156 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 1: They figure out what the issue is they care about 157 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: the most, if it's abortion, if it's whatever it is, 158 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: and then they just deluge them with demands that they 159 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: also get their vote in. So it allows them to 160 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: more efficiently target their audience because they know whose ballots 161 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: are in, they know that they've already got those banked, 162 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: and then they're sitting on a seven hundred and fifty 163 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: or eight hundred thousand vote lead that we try to 164 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: make up on election. I always thought it was funny 165 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: that at some exams, you remember back in college, some 166 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: professors allowed open book open book exams. Oh yeah, and 167 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: you always, even if you were really squared away on 168 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: the subject matter, you know, you found yourself being like, well, 169 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: everyone else is going to bring in their books, so 170 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: I guess I got to bring in my book. And 171 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: if you just realize at some point it turns into 172 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: an arms race, and you don't want to be the 173 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: one with, you know, the least artillery. And this is true, 174 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: This is true on the election side of things. They're 175 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: able to do micro targeting effectively because they have they're 176 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: extending out their time to get it done. They're extending 177 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: out the the the game plan for themselves, which allows 178 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: for improvisation. That's a nice way of saying it, but 179 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: it allows for fixes as you go instead of a 180 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: concentrated time in one day. Now. I know there's some 181 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: states where this isn't the case, and we're not talking 182 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: about those states, and we don't want this to be 183 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: the case in those places. But you know, I don't 184 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: know how many elections we're gonna be able to go 185 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: through we say they cheated and we don't. You know, 186 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, even if they cheated, 187 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: if they were, guess what, if you don't prove it 188 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: they've cheated in the court of law, that'll overturn the case. 189 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: They get to call the shots for the next four years, 190 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: six years whatever. We're talking about. Play by the rules 191 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: that exist in every state, and if they're going up 192 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: to the margin of the rules, you have to do 193 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: the same. And if you're not doing that, you're at 194 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: such a competitive disadvantage. Look, this is a big part, 195 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: and I always want to come back to Fetterman and 196 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: what happened in Pennsylvania because Pennsylvania may well decide twenty 197 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: twenty four the election all over again. You know, they 198 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: had half of the entire Democrat vote in Buck before 199 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: Fetterman even took the stage for that disastrous debate. Yep, 200 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: over half of all Democrat voters who were going to 201 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: support John Fetterman had already voted before he even went 202 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: to the stage. So we're still playing old school, like, well, 203 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: let's see how much this swing, this debate swings the election. Well, 204 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: a huge percentage of voters are just acting out a 205 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: party loyalty before they even see people go head to 206 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: head and debate the issues. Because anybody who watched that debate, 207 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: that's the single worst performance in a statewide debate that 208 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: has ever existed in any of our lives. And Fetterman 209 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: won by almost five points. It felt like an act 210 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: of cruelty for anyone to push him out on that 211 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: stage and to go through that, including his wife and 212 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: the people pushing him to run. Yes, it felt all 213 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: honestly uncomfortable and borderline wrong just to watch it. And 214 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: that guy's now is sitting you, Well, it just came 215 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: out of six weeks in the hospital whatever is for depression, 216 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: but he immediately tested. He couldn't even make it a 217 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: month without having to check himself into a hospital. Book. 218 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: But I think one of the reasons that Florida and 219 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: desantists going up to Michigan and making this case is 220 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: so interesting is that in a quick in a quick 221 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: span of time, Florida went from you know the the 222 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: it's the hanging Chad state, right, it's the it's the 223 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: bushcore two thousand state and in a very short period 224 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: of time, and that continued, right, it was always always 225 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: or are going to go red? It's fifty nine, fifty one, 226 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: forty nine now just santi descentiss turn Florida to Salida, 227 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: red state, red state. You can do this in other 228 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: places too. Here he is saying that the Democratic Party 229 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: right now in Florida, Folks, is toast play six. Florida really, 230 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: I think played an important role in the history of 231 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: our country over the last three or four years. But 232 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: the voters in Florida responded and what used to be 233 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: a swing state, you know, now the Democratic Party in 234 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: Florida is a hollow shell. It's like a dead carcass 235 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: on the side of the road. I mean, we have 236 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: beat the left and the state of Florida. So but 237 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: this is the critical point. With the right plan and 238 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: the right leadership, we don't have to play this game 239 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: of oh is Arizona gonna go red? We should be 240 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: able to make it clear that some of these states, 241 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: if you have the right ground game and the right candidate, 242 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: can go read by a handful of points, and then 243 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: after that, with good governance, they can become solidly republican. 244 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: Strong because I feel like the Democrats they manage to 245 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: get these pickups, and they manage to get these flips. 246 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: Sometimes you say to yourself, why don't Republicans get a 247 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: little more aggressive? 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Buck. 277 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, but this was 278 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: a headline that was in the We're gonna talk to 279 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: Gordon Chang by the way about this craziness that's going 280 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: on with Taiwan and China and the potential stair steps 281 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: toward confrontation that are continuing there by the way, in 282 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: about five minutes at the bottom of the hour, just 283 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: giving your heads up. But this was an opinion that 284 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: was published yesterday in the New York Times, and I 285 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: just wanted to read you the open buck. The headline 286 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: is the Trump indictment is a legal embarrassment. This is 287 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: from the New York Times. And then the story begins. 288 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: Tuesday was historic for the rule of law in America, 289 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: but not in the way Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan District Attorney, 290 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: would have imagined. The thirty four count indictment, which more 291 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: accurately could be described as thirty four half indictments, was 292 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: a disaster. It was a setback for the rule of 293 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: law and the established and established a dangerous precedent for prosecutors. 294 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: The case appears, and I'm reading for the New York Times. 295 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: The case appears so weak on its legal and jurisdictional 296 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: basis that a state judge might dismiss the case and 297 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: mitigate that damage. More likely, the case has headed to 298 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: federal court for a year, where it could lose on 299 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: the grounds of preemption. Even if it survives a challenge, 300 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: a trial would most likely start not until mid twenty 301 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: twenty four, possibly even after the twenty twenty four election. 302 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: Instead of the rule of law, it would be rule 303 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: of the circus. Now, this is what we told you, 304 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: but I think it's important you know this. This indictment 305 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: landed flat Buck. When The New York Times publishes an 306 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: editorial and opinion piece like this, well it's just intellectually indefensible. 307 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean there are limits. The New York Times is 308 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: skilled in lying subtlety in its propaganda, but it's not perfect. 309 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: I mean it can't come up with ways to defend 310 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: the completely indefensible, and anybody can tell right away. I 311 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: mean honestly, just the repetition of the count is all 312 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: you have to know. Yes, that's pathetic. I mean that 313 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: is like Toddler, you know, banging on pots and pans 314 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: for a tension level silliness. It's absurd. And yet this 315 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: is what we're up against. I mean, this is the 316 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: reality of this, of this indictment. But I really do believe, 317 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: and it's interesting to hear, you know, the different analyzes 318 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: of well is it more likely or less likely? I 319 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: really believe that there there are going to be more indictments. 320 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: I mean I can't imagine how if you're thinking in Georgia, 321 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: m willis the district. I forget state's attorney. Yeah, but 322 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a district or a state 323 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: state's attorney, whatever it may be. But Willis is looking 324 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: at a possible RICO charge. 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Welcome back to Clay and Buck. 351 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: Right now, things are heating up off the coast of Taiwan. 352 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: You have Kevin McCarthy meeting in last twenty four hours 353 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: with Taiwanese President PSI. PSI ing when and we've got 354 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: Gordon Chang with us right now. Gordon is the author 355 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: of the Great US China Tech War. Follow him on 356 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: Twitter at Gordon g Chang. Gordon, thanks so much, Thank you, Buck. 357 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: What's going on, Gordon? We're hearing about ships off the 358 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: coast to Taiwan, some Bella coast rhetoric from the Chinese 359 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: Communist Party. A US member, well, the Speaker of the 360 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: House visiting Taiwan. What's happening. Yeah, at this moment, the 361 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: most important thing that's happening is that provincial authorities in 362 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: Fujin announced a three day exercise in the Taiwan Straight 363 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: and in other waters around Taiwan, and they said that 364 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: they reserved for themselves the right to board ships to 365 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: ensure navigational safety. That of course, is trying to close 366 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: off international waters. And if the United States has had 367 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: any consistent foreign policy over the course of three centuries, 368 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: it has been the defensive freedom of navigation, which means 369 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: that China is directly challenging the United States. And the 370 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: issue is whether we will protect that freedom of navigation 371 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: or whether we will submit to China. So where are 372 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: we headed here? Gordon? And thanks for coming on. You're 373 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: fantastic every time we have you on to discuss China 374 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: and Taiwan in the looming geopolitical crisis there. Would you 375 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: say that the risks are elevated now compared to six 376 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: months ago? Would you say that we're kind of in 377 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: a stationary, high risk environment. How would you assess where 378 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: we are today versus where we've been, let's say, during 379 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: the tenure of the Biden administration. I think we're getting 380 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: closer to war, and I think war will occur between 381 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: the United States and China unless something changes, and so 382 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: far I don't see anything changing. The problem is that 383 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: the Chinese and the Russian leaders look at Biden and 384 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: think that they can basically do whatever they want. And 385 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: that was evident on the twenty second of last month 386 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: when cejun Ping was leaving Moscow after his fortieth in 387 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: person chat with Putin, and the Chinese leader said quote, 388 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: change is coming that has not occurred over the last 389 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: hundred years, and to Putin he said, and we are 390 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: driving this change together. That means the Chinese leader believes 391 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: that he can do what he wants, that he's the 392 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: boss of the world, and that the United States is 393 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: not a factor. In Clay, I'm not saying that cijun 394 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: Ping is right, but what I'm saying is it doesn't 395 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: matter whether he's right or wrong. What's important is what 396 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: he actually is thinking, because that will drive his behavior. 397 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: And we have seen some pretty aggressive behavior, and this 398 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: announcement of interdicting ships around Taiwan is just the most 399 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: recent of these belligerent pronouncements. Do you think the United 400 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: States and China are going to have a conflict Gordon, 401 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: do you think it and it's based in some way 402 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: on the weakness of Joe Biden. Does that then suggest 403 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: to you that that conflict could occur between now and 404 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: election twenty twenty four or do you think it's something 405 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: that happens after that. It could be at any time. 406 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: And the problem is it's just the perception of siege 407 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: and Pang and Vladimir Putin about Biden. You know, the 408 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: United States, the European Union in Great Britain were a 409 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: coalition against Russia, and we were so much stronger than Russia. 410 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: And yet Russia decided to invade last February because they felt, 411 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, the foot, and felt he could do what 412 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: he wanted to and that the US and allies and 413 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 1: partners would would not respond. And so what we've got 414 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: is a situation where bad actors are on the march 415 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: and Biden is not confronting them, and right now, at 416 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: this moment, it could be at any time. I think 417 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: that the United States and our allies and friends, by 418 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: the metrics, are so much more capable and powerful than 419 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: China and Russia and their proxies. But right now we've 420 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: got a strong coalition with weak leadership, and the weak 421 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: states China and Russia and proxies have strong leadership. And 422 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: that's what makes this moment particularly consequential. It's being to 423 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: Gordon Chang, author of the Great US China tech War. Gordon, 424 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: in some ways, the Biden administration seems to have at 425 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: least allowed some degree of continuity with the Trump administration 426 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: policies on China with regard to trade. I'm just wondering, 427 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: where have there been serious deviations from the previous policy, 428 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: either in tone or in substance. Well, a couple of things, 429 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 1: I mean, from Biden to Trump has not been one awful. 430 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: And so for instance, last August we had Biden's executive 431 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: Order on semiconductors, which was a major advance and it's 432 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: going to cripple China's drive for technology. But unfortunately we've 433 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: had too many things on the other side of the ledger. 434 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: So for instance, Trump band, TikTok and wee chat, and 435 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: Biden actually reverse that band, trump Band the importation of 436 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: electrical equipment from China for the grid, and Biden on 437 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: his first day in office, even before the inaugural balls 438 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: reverse that band, allowing us to be open for Chinese sabotage. 439 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: You go through all the things where you're talking whether 440 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: about Iran, Saudi Arabia, or you're talking Morocco, Algeria, or 441 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: many other places where biden foreign policy actually is helping 442 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: China and China's goal, of course, is to remove American influence. 443 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: So China has been making great advances because we've been 444 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: helping them attack us. This is just incomprehensible, but it's happening, Gordon. 445 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: We obviously had the disaster that was the Chinese spy 446 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: balloon that went across the country and started in Alaska 447 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: and finished off the coast of Carolina before we shot 448 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: it down. I believe it was NBC News that reported 449 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: that China gleaned a substantial amount of intelligence data from 450 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: that spy balloon, which was the opposite of what we 451 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: were told that the Biden administration claimed they weren't getting anything. 452 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: More importantly, however, do you think that contributed to the 453 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: idea that Biden is weak and further, basically encouraged and 454 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: enabled the Chinese leadership to believe that Biden and this 455 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: administration could be taken advantage of absolutely even the idea 456 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: that they would start to send that balloon over American 457 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: territorial interspaces, utter disrespect for the United States. And then 458 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: they saw something which is incredible. If the reporting is true, 459 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: and I think it is. Biden was not notified until 460 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: the fourth day of that intrusion, which means that we 461 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: have the Pentagon not informing the commander in chief of 462 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: a major incident involving China. And I think that the 463 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs 464 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: of Staff should be fired. There needs to be accountability 465 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,239 Speaker 1: because Biden's response was weak, but the response in the 466 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: Pentagon was incredible. And then the other thing about it 467 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: is not only did they get the electronic information that 468 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: NBC News talked about, the Chinese got something even more important. 469 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: They the Chinese saw the reactions of the US military, 470 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: and they saw the reactions of the specific general officers 471 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: to this intrusion that they could not have gleaned from 472 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: any other way, and they saw a Pentagon that was 473 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: totally incapable. We've got a great military, but it is 474 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: totally useless if it is led by people who have 475 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: no idea of the enemy and have no idea how 476 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: to use American power to protect the American homeland. This 477 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: was a complete failure. This was a debacle, and I 478 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: think that the Chinese thought that they probably can do 479 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: anything they want in the I want straight or anyplace 480 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: else because we are not capable of using our power. 481 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: What is a firm response, Goordon? I mean you've brought 482 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: up confronting the Chinese for their aggression. Obviously, the aftermath 483 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: of the surveillance spying balloon floating slowly across the country. 484 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: I think people are more attuned to aggression from Beijing 485 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 1: than they have been in a while. What does it 486 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: look like, though, I mean, what could the Biden administration 487 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: do that you would say, wow, Actually they are taking 488 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: it seriously now. Well, the one thing they could do 489 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: is Biden can get behind his desk and in front 490 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: of the cameras tell China that we will defend Taiwan, 491 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: that we will recognize Taiwan as Taiwan if they want that, 492 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: that will offer a mutual defense treaty, that will preposition 493 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: supplies on Taiwan, which we didn't do with regard to Ukraine, 494 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: by the way, and that will base if Taiwan wants it. 495 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: A small US force to be a trip buyer like 496 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: we've got in South Korea, which has kept the peace 497 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: for seven decades. These are things that can avoid war, 498 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: and people will say, yeah, it's risky, But saying something 499 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: as risky is not a meaningful objection these days, because 500 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: we are so close to conflict that everything we do 501 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: is extremely risky. And the most dangerous thing a country 502 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: can do is try to re establish deterrence after it's 503 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: been lost. And that's exactly what the United States has 504 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: to do. Now. We know that World War two in 505 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: Europe started when Britain and France tried to re establish 506 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: deterrence and failed. We are pretty much in that same 507 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: situation today. 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There's a lot of serious things going on 537 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: in the world. But I sent Buck this story and 538 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: we've got it up at we got it up at 539 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: out Kick uh, and I would encourage you guys to 540 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: check it out if you need a little bit of 541 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: a laugh. Um. So, the current Jeopardy champion. I don't 542 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: know how many of you watch Jeopardy occasionally, we have 543 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: it on in the Travis household. Um. He is a 544 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: man from Tennessee. I want to make sure that I 545 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: get his name right. His name is Brian Hineger Uh. 546 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: And he's tired of everybody saying that he was sorry. 547 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: He's current current Jeopardy champion. I can't you never know 548 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 1: what's gonna happens. He's from Tennessee. He has a mustache, 549 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: and he has had to shut down all of his 550 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: social media account because too many people are saying that 551 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: he looks like Adolphin. And I don't know, I don't know. 552 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: I mean really, Here's a quote from him, and then 553 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna dive into this a bit more. Here's a 554 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,959 Speaker 1: quote from Brian Hinegar, who I want to make it 555 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: clear is not Adolf Hitler. Right now, I'm feeling every 556 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: emotion under the sun, reliving my Jeopardy experience, and I'm 557 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: seeing what a bunch of jerks on Twitter or doing 558 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: because all they can focus on or my looks. So 559 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be leaving Twitter for a while, see you soon. 560 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: So I have two things to say right now, he's continuing. 561 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: Then I'm not gonna say anything else about the matter 562 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: for the sake of my own sanity. For starters, even 563 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: though I've spent about ten years on it, I'm shaving 564 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: off my mustache tonight. Too much work to keep it tight. 565 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: And then he continues. So I decided, rather than shave 566 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: off my mustache, I'm just gonna grow it out into 567 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: a gotee. I admit, I run the risk of making 568 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: myself look like my evil twin from a parallel universe. 569 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: That's just the risk. And so he's growing the gotee. Now, 570 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: can I just point out from the aesthetic side of 571 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: this when you tell when you told me about this, 572 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: all I was picture like. I was like, Okay, this 573 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: guy has a mustache that's a little too close in, 574 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: a little too you know, a little bit too. But 575 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: it's not actually just the mustache. Yeah, he's got a 576 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: very severe side part as well, So that the mustache, 577 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: I would say, come on, that's a little like you know, 578 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: maybe that's but the mustache that he has plus the hair. 579 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: I just want to know, how did no one ever 580 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: tell him? That's my question. Hey, buddy, you need to 581 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: you need to tone that one down a little bit. 582 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: Here is the conclusion to all of this drama surrounding 583 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: the Hitler stand in who was not Hitler? Who has 584 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: been winning on Jeopardy to all you jerkola's, which by 585 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: the way, I just I mean, I am all in 586 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: when anybody gets called a jerkola. You thought comparing my 587 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: appearance to one of the most evil dictators who ever 588 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: lived was the height of comedy. Well, when I get 589 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: my Jeopardy when I'm gonna be making a donation to 590 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: the Anti Defamation League. Now, buck, here's my question for you. 591 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: Has there ever been any person who has ever destroyed 592 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: a type of fashion more than Hitler? Ending the Hitler mustache? 593 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: Right like this guyst the name I mean the name 594 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler. Adolf you well, first of all, Hitler, Yes, 595 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: you definitely don't meet a little You don't meet kids 596 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: walking around or you know, kids in the playground like that. 597 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: Are you are Hitler. Um. But even the name Adolf 598 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: is gone used to be wildly popular. Adolf was a 599 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: common name. You can go back and check it was 600 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: a common name. Um. But uh yeah, I mean the mustache, 601 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: that particular mustache. But also because I think the way 602 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: I think the way that that that Hitler's was it. Well, 603 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, we go through facial hair phases in societies. 604 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: This is just true. You can see this, right, This 605 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: is why. Uh you know when you go into uh, 606 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: like if you go in like an old steakhouse, they 607 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: have guys in the nineteen twenties, and you know in 608 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: paintings everybody has this kind of you know, turned up mustache, 609 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: like Q mustache. Yeah, that was the fashion then. And 610 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, you go, I think post Civil War because 611 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: of Grant beards were really popular. You're the Civil War guy. 612 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: But you know, you go through these periods. Right. Sideburn 613 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: comes from General Burnside right, who very well was done. Yeah, 614 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: I know, one of the most disastrous attacks in the 615 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: history of American military history at Frederisburg. So while he 616 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: may have left behind the Sideburn did not necessarily lend 617 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: himself to military history manuals. But usually you know when 618 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: when there's these these facial hair changes. There's a certain 619 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: way Hitler's mustache was very specific even for his time. 620 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: To him like, you don't really find other people and 621 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 1: it I mean that may have been purposeful or maybe 622 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: it's just I mean, yeah, most evil person ever, so 623 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: you definitely don't want to be conflated with him. Nobody 624 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: had and to kind of discuss facial hair status for men, 625 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: no one had a beard until like two thousand and six, 626 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: buy in large because I remember I grew my I've 627 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: had a beard for twenty years now. I grew my 628 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: beard for the first time in O two. I have 629 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: a theory about this, and I could be wrong, but 630 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: I actually, if you look at the history of fashion 631 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: really honestly, it's really the history a lot of the 632 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: time of a military, military fashion, drive civilian fashion. Look 633 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: at you know, obviously trench coats after the First World 634 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: where you go back, there's tons of examples of this, right, 635 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: military fashion, the tricorn hat, for example, a military fashion 636 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: that actually started out to your point, everybody in civil 637 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: war times grew a beard, no matter what, like that 638 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: was not that common prior, right, But what I was 639 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: gonna say is, and now I've completely forgotten what I was. Yes, 640 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: thank you Special Ops guys coming back from a rock 641 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: and Afghanistan. Beards and tattoos. That's the height of badass masculinity, 642 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: and that has completely It's just sort of it's you know, 643 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: raised this steaks or what it means to look like 644 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: a look like a dude. You want to be bearded, tattooed, 645 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: and preferably kind of jack And that comes straight from 646 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: the Special Operations community, out of a rock, Afghanistan, Wars 647 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: and other places. That's what I think really pushed it. 648 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: I'll even argue too, I think the beard is a 649 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: rejection of remember the metrosexual and like the anti masculine 650 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: curl that sort of happened, I would say in the 651 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: early two thousands. I think a lot of dudes. I 652 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: think you're right, the Special Ops guys are like American superheroes, 653 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: but I think a lot of women started saying I 654 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 1: want actual dudes, and beard is a hyper masculine way 655 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: to look like a man. This all said, I'm thinking 656 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: about shaving my beard. Oh no,