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Speaker 1: about to hear our thirteen going on thirty episode that

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Speaker 1: it with special guest Melissa Lozada Oliva. Yes, and we

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, please enjoy our live New York City

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Speaker 1: show with Melissa on the Dog Cast. The questions asked

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Speaker 1: if movies have wenen and all their discussions just boyfriends

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Speaker 1: best start changing it with the bel Cast. What's up,

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Speaker 1: brook Clean, Welcome. I've always wanted to say that, what's

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Speaker 1: up Brooklyn? Yeah, you did a great job. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming. Welcome, y'alls, welcome to the Beck

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Speaker 1: Dol Cast. It's us. Okay, I'm Caitlin. Sorry for that

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Speaker 1: weird thing I just said. I'm Jamie. Uh yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: so stoked to be here at the Bell House our

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen each other in like a week, which

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Speaker 1: is longer than years. You have bangs, now I have bangs.

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Speaker 1: I thank you for the cheer for my bangs. That's correct.

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Speaker 1: The story with my bangs, not that anyone asked, is

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Speaker 1: been a good example, but no, listen, I hate feminism.

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Speaker 1: I my boyfriend and my dog are in Wisconsin for

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Speaker 1: my own dog. And that's my feminism. Just getting a

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Speaker 1: miserable I think, well, some of that passed the Bechtel test.

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Speaker 1: My dog's a man, I know, and he's a cock

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Speaker 1: or spaniel. I know. What's the Bechtel test. It's a

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Speaker 1: media test that you applied to I don't know, for

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Speaker 1: our sake, movies dog anecdotes. That requires that a movie

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Speaker 1: other about something other than a man. Yeah, clap. If

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Speaker 1: That is a trick called free applause. Um curious clap.

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Speaker 1: If you have not listened to the show before and

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Speaker 1: you have been dragged here, no shame, okay, trash canceled,

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Speaker 1: bad hates women? Got it? Interesting? Um cool? Well, we

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Speaker 1: just always want to shut out the people who drag

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Speaker 1: people in their lives to the show. They are the true,

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Speaker 1: the true soldiers. Yes, so, if you haven't heard the

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Speaker 1: show before, we take a specific movie every episode and

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Speaker 1: to the show before, it bad bad, almost universally always bad.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited for the movie we're talking about tonight.

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Speaker 1: It's it was one of my favorite movies growing up.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner argue, unless you're what was that superhero? Juno

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm so excited and I'm really, really really

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Speaker 1: excited for our guest tonight. Let's bring her out. Yes,

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Speaker 1: she is a poet. She's the author of Polluta. She's

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Speaker 1: a co host of Stay More podcast. It's Melissa Losatta Oliva. Welcome, Hi, everybody.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Nothing? I made my hair look like I

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Speaker 1: have a pretty big aversion to rom coms. They're not

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Speaker 1: The Six Chicks. The Six Chicks a star studded scene

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Speaker 1: was like, are you in love? He was like, I

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00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: would say we're together, and it's like, you know someone

421
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: has said that about you. Yeah, And then he's like

422
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: anyone who feels like that's so romantic. It's like, no,

423
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: you're on the wrong side of that interaction. You've been

424
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: like I would say we're together. Yeah. So yeah. She

425
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: tries to be like, I love you, and he's like, well,

426
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: I think you're great, but here's the dollhouse that's been

427
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: in my room for seventeen years. It because he's a warlock,

428
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: best because he's he as that jif, that famous jif

429
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: says gift, I'm sorry, guys. He looks down and he's like,

430
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: I've always loved you, yes, and then he's like, here,

431
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: take this dollhouse back. She goes outside. She has the dollhouse.

432
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: They're still wishing dust on it. The wind stirs it up.

433
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: I guess it blows on her and then suddenly she's

434
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: back as a thirteen year old. She's a front again.

435
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: And then she tackles Matt with her face surprised kiss

436
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: She's surprised kisses for sure, the young boy. Yeah, and

437
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: then she's like, come on, we're gonna be late. Smash

438
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: cut to their wedding when they're thirty again, where did

439
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: they go to? Is that? What they're late to their

440
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: wedding is that? I guess to the rest of their lives.

441
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: The stairway is the future. And then they move into

442
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: a pink house together and that right, it is Jenna's dreamhouse,

443
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: dream house and not why they do that. It's dumb,

444
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: but it resonated with me. She's like, do you want

445
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: another candy from the eighties? Mr? Full House? What's it?

446
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: What is his name? Falstaff? Falstaff, flam half flam half

447
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: Flam half flam half. The last two lines of the

448
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: movie are calling or when they are calling each other

449
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: Mr and Mrs flam half and we're like, yes, no,

450
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: Riches the goal forgot, that's the movie. That's the movie.

451
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: Either did it something that I was thinking about this

452
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: whole movie just because I haven't rewatched the movie and

453
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: at least ten years watching it now being closer to

454
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: thirty than thirteen, there's like all this stuff that comes

455
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: up that wouldn't otherwise. And the first thing is that,

456
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: like all these movie premises that involve flashing into the

457
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: few sure or to older age in some way, whether

458
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: it be Big or thirteen going on thirty, or even

459
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: like Little that came out two weeks ago, you have

460
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: to for it to remain a comedy flash into a

461
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: future body of an insane privilege, because otherwise it's a

462
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: horror movie. No. I kept thinking that. She's like, like,

463
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: everything isn't awesome because you're thirty. Everything is awesome because

464
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: you're loaded up middle class and you can go back

465
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: to your loaded family who went to the Caribbean without you, right, yeah,

466
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: like it's your Yeah, I mean well, the main character

467
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: in Little is like gaming executive. Yes, she owns her

468
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: own like gaming company. Jenna is a magazine editor. Like

469
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: it's like you have to be flashing forward into literally

470
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: your ideal or if you're flashing forward realistically to someone

471
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: who may be struggling. Uh, No, one wants to see

472
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: that movie. Jennifer Arner won't take that job if you flash.

473
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean it truly, like if if Jennifer Garner came

474
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: from because in in this movie, like Jenna Rink is

475
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: at lowest an upper middle class white girl, right, so

476
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: if it's anything lower than that, you could be flashing

477
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: forward to a lot of different stuff. Like if Jenna

478
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: Rink flashes forward to like I'm thirty and flirty, you know,

479
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: so many different things could happen, but she has to

480
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: add the addendum of thriving and then we get the movie.

481
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's true for every rom com I can

482
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: think of. These are all focusing on middle to upper

483
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: middle class white people and they're very privileged lives and

484
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: they're like, but how will I have time for a

485
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: boyfriend when I have this demanding job? And then that's

486
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: the plot of right, it has to be like low

487
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: steak high steak things. Yeah, I think these movies like

488
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: Big or Little is that one right where they have

489
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: to work like Cinderella stories almost where there's like this

490
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: like transformation into like all of this like wonder for

491
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: it to be like interesting to watch. Yeah, but I

492
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: think it's boring. Caitlin. That's so brave of you, and yeah,

493
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like there has to be you

494
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: had to be in a very specific class for this movie.

495
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: Formula that's been used a lot of times at this

496
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: point to work, like if you go below a certain

497
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: income rate, this genre does not want you do not

498
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: want to involved. For me, the biggest problem with this

499
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: movie is that a romantic relationship develops when it's an

500
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: adult man in an adult body with an adult brain.

501
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: That's okay, But he falls in love with a woman

502
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: who is an an adult body, but she has the

503
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: mind of a thirteen year old and she's acting like

504
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: she's nine. Well, it just sort of strikes as like

505
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: a very like kind of like the born Sexy Yesterday

506
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: tripe that we've talked about a lot, where, um, if

507
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: you haven't heard this us talk about this trope before,

508
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: it's just like the sort of the movie trope where

509
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: men in movies are very attracted to baby women are

510
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: women who have the body of a conventionally sexy for

511
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: whatever the era the movie comes out in rise jeans

512
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: exactly two thousand four, sexy lady, but she acts like

513
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: she's a baby, and that's hot, and it's so with

514
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: this movie. It's especially weird because in most Born Sexy

515
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Yesterday tropes you've got stuff like the fifth element where

516
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: it's like a woman who came to life with a

517
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: full grown hot lady Addie literally yesterday. But with Matt,

518
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: it's someone he knows who is acting like a baby yeah,

519
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: and he asks no question. He's like, oh, and she says,

520
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm thirteen years old and he's like, where do you live? Water? Yeah?

521
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: Like it's in so many ways in this this movie,

522
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: Like the way that everyone reacts to her is very

523
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: weird and everyone in this movie should be more concerned

524
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: about her than they are. But Matt, especially, Like if

525
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: you if you saw your best friend in seventh grade

526
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: now and they were like, I'm thirteen, you would be like,

527
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: we're going to the hospital right, Like, I'm so glad

528
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: you found me. Let's do you have insurance? I hope,

529
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: so let's get help. She also gives him like a

530
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: ship ton of money to she hires him to do

531
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: that whole ship yeah, which again is like that trope

532
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: of like, let me give my boyfriend a job, like

533
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: I love him so much so talented? Is that a trope?

534
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: That's just something I was thinking about. There is a

535
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: bunch of sinister listicles written because this movie just hit

536
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: its fifteenth anniversary, which means there's a lot of sinister

537
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: listicles coming out about how actually it's great. Uh, but

538
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: there's like a bunch of like she employed him, so

539
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: she's in charge. I'm like he should have fifty one

540
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: fifty her weeks ago, Like why is no one looking

541
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: out for this woman? Or if like if it still

542
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: needs to take a like comedy approach to the narrative

543
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: then unfolds. I think it would have worked better if

544
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo was like, Okay, you're a thirteen year old

545
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: girl trapped in an adult woman's body. Let me go

546
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: get my wishing dust. I mean, the movie would be

547
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: over after or it's just like, let's help, let me

548
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: help you figure this out and like navigate your job,

549
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: and let me make sure I don't kiss you because

550
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: that's horrifying. Here's okay, here's where the conspiracy theories. Oh

551
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: my god, there's been a lot of extensive Reddit threads

552
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: dedicated to the poor writing of this movie. Um so,

553
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: how some people feel is that the wishing dust, while

554
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: viewed in the plot as arbitrary, is actually Matt's wishing

555
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: dust and he's a war lock. This theory is very good.

556
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: It is so basically Matt at the beginning of the

557
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: movie he's thirteen. He's basically Harry Potter, but weirder it

558
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: has to go to public school in New Jersey, and

559
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: he's magic. He's got this dust. He's like, Okay, this

560
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: dust is gonna make my crush love me, and if

561
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: she doesn't love me, it will punish her, which means

562
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: in the mysteriture, that's why because the weird plot hole

563
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: of an adult man holding onto a dollhouse for seventeen

564
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: years bothered people. I don't know why. You know why

565
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: he did it because he was a war law and

566
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: that's his fucking core crux. Okay, it literally is Okay.

567
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: So the theory goes that he had to hold on

568
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: to it so that when Jenna finally reaches the end

569
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: of her punishment of realizing, like Christmas Carol style that

570
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: if you don't fuck me, your life is gonna fucking

571
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: suck life. You rearranged his last name, what was it full?

572
00:40:48,760 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: It spells Baltimore, exactly playing the half Baltimore. So at

573
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: the end, the theory goes that he had to hold

574
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: onto the dollhouse and make sure there was extra wishing

575
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: dust on it so that Jenna would receive her come

576
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: up and only after she admitted she loved Yeah, could

577
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: she receive the dollhouse and then could be you know,

578
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: have to go to the past and fuck him and

579
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: it worked, and it works warlocks upsetting h. So that

580
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: is a theory. Um, I'm just presenting it. Looking at

581
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: the story of story was my idea just at face value,

582
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: looking at the story. The fact remains that the movie,

583
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it is mostly a romantic story. Although I

584
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: do enjoy that just as much. I would say, just

585
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: as much time as devoted to her career and like

586
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: her trying to put together this presentation and all of

587
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: that stuff as the romantic storyline. Yeah, but I also

588
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: think that, like, there is no relationship between women and

589
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: this movie that you're really rooting for as much. Definitely

590
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: rooting for Matt and Jenna, like because you know, that's

591
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: that sleepoverseen there where's Becky's mom. You know, yeah, there's

592
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: a there's a woman with a six figure salary who

593
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: wants to sleep Yeah. Yeah, everyone's like yeah, Invider, Like,

594
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you're totally right. Well, we can talk

595
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: about the female relationship or relationships in the movie, but

596
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: the fact remains that, like the romantic storyline that unfolds

597
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: is troubling because it is a t and it would

598
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: have been maybe better if it was just sort of

599
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: like she realizes that she is interested in him, and

600
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: then he's like, you seems really immature. I don't like you.

601
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: Is upsetting. This is weird. Yeah, but yeah, that's the

602
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: biggest prophet because it was very much like the born

603
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: Sexy Yesterday or Jamie as you said back stage, born

604
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: Sexy Tamara. Wow, thank you, I earned that. Go Jamie

605
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: the whole like yearbook class of two thousand and fourth thing,

606
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: and like her being nine years old. Something about it

607
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: is so I guess like obsessed with nostalgia and he

608
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: like falls in love with her because of nostalgia, and like, like,

609
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: is the movie like a desire to go back to

610
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: the Reagan era? It's like seven, Yeah, I don't know.

611
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, this movie is very is very rude

612
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: in nostalgia that I feel like the target audience of

613
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: the movie didn't fully understand, right, Like we were the

614
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: target audience. I didn't know the thriller dance, I knew

615
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: the song. I didn't know who Pat Benatar was. Like

616
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: there was a lot of stuff I learned through watching

617
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: this movie. They'm like, oh, I guess we care about this.

618
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: I thought the picture of Madonna was a picture of

619
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe. I didn't too it was in black and white.

620
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. But in general, life feel like this movie.

621
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: You know, there is the undercurrent of if we're going

622
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: with like the a Christmas Carol style theme that this

623
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: movie kind of has that like, oh, if only she

624
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: had dated this nerdy guy, she would be a good person.

625
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,479
Speaker 1: But if she chooses her own path and like goes

626
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 1: with her career, she's a bad person. And like being

627
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: into your like there's just like this only but like

628
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: stopping being friends with a dude and like joining this

629
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: group of women who are because women are bad influences

630
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: mean Judy Greer is always wearing green like puke there

631
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like there's like a very weird like anti

632
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: women having careers undercurrent to this whole movie, because it's like, yeah,

633
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: like she chooses her like this group of basically mean girls,

634
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: and she chooses the mean girls over her talking heads

635
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: fan childhood friend, and as a result, she like because

636
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: she's into her career, she is a bad daughter. She's

637
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: a bad friend, she's a bad partner. Like I feel

638
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: like it just like insinuates a lot of cruel things

639
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: about women who want careers. Sure, and then the way

640
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: the movie ends when she flashes forward and we see like,

641
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: you know, we're late, and then she's late to her

642
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: wedding with Mark Ruffalo, and we don't know in the future,

643
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: we know she lives in a big house, but we

644
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: don't know what she does. Does she still work at Poised?

645
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: Probably not, like she's living in the Jersey suburbs, probably not.

646
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: Like so it just there's like a lot of like

647
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: weird sub tweeting of women who want to have a job.

648
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: I mean that, and it it villainizes. The female friendships

649
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: or female relationships in this movie are largely antagonistic, where

650
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: obviously the main one is between Jenna and Lucy a

651
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: k A Tom Tom a k Judy Greer, where all

652
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: they do is stab each other in the back, and

653
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: then the the other one is between well there's her

654
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: and Becky, which again is narrative tool whose mother is

655
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: not present, right, and then there's Jenna and her assistant

656
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: whose name is I think are yes, she is so frightened.

657
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: We have some hand friends in there. Yeah, it's just Jenn.

658
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: We don't see this on screen, but in all the backstory,

659
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: we know that Jenna is awful to other women is

660
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: what we can glean, right, like well and and other

661
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: people in general, where like she is bad to her parents.

662
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: There is that scene where she's talking to Judy Greer

663
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: and Judy Greer implies that she has cheated on her

664
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: boyfriend before. Like it seems like she becomes because she

665
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: makes this one choice when she's thirteen years old, she

666
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: becomes the worst person. Which was like, oh, like this

667
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: whole time and the movie the whole time. I was

668
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: just like, I also have regrets, right, maybe if I

669
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: had done this differently in seventh grade, Yeah, I would

670
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: be married to this movie. Was like, actually, they're like

671
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: there are no consequences. You just have to stare at

672
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: a house for long enough and then everything will be fine. Right,

673
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, it's just weird, Like and and the

674
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: fact that I think the like her, like Jenna's relationship

675
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: with Lucy, because that's the way that the story goes.

676
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: Like even with bully characters, there's always more there than

677
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: just like she's mean and she's mean to the core,

678
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: and she'll be mean for job but that's like all

679
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: we know about her, right right, And they're so cruel

680
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: to each other, and it's just like that's the main

681
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: two women that we see interact in the movie, and

682
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: we don't ever learn anything about Lucy when she's younger

683
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: or older. We just know she's mean and she's the

684
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: stock character and that the only way that Jenna can

685
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: rebel against her is by being with Mark Rufflo. There's

686
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: no alter right, Yeah, Like the only way she cannot

687
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: be bullied ist to marry Mark Ruffles. I wanted to

688
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: think while watching I was like trying to think, like

689
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: maybe this movie is like anti capitalist because it's like

690
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: showing like the evils of the magazine world. But instead

691
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it would be better if you've

692
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: got a giant house with one man and and you

693
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: sat there you loved him, y, Yeah, totally. I mean

694
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: it's like and the way we see women in this

695
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: workplace versus the only man we really see in this

696
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: workplace is Andy Serkis, and we sort of just see

697
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: him being like hapless and being like, what are your

698
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: ladies up to? Like twice melt bat He's the editor

699
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: in chief but never seems to know what's happening? And

700
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: so it's like the women are mean and the men

701
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: are clueless at this workplace. So it's like, sorry, I

702
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: did a British accent, let's forgive me. But it's it's like,

703
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're treated on different levels of like

704
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: the women are are against each other and the one

705
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: guy at the workplace is just like where are we,

706
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,479
Speaker 1: which I feel like is kind of a cop out

707
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: in the way that those relationships are treated. And also

708
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: like Jenna being a thirteen year old girl in a

709
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: thirty year old body, her proposal, both proposals for the

710
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: redesign of the magazine are so fat, like how did

711
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: they get this sho She's like twiddling with like a

712
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: balloon for no reason. And then yeah, she's like, these

713
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: are the woman I want to see. I want to

714
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: see the girl next door. She's like talking like that.

715
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: The older She's like, if you want if you don't

716
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: like this, I don't care like you. And she also

717
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 1: like takes down the fashion editorials and presents in White Yearbook. Yeah,

718
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: she's like about this and Andy because it's like, oh

719
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: my god, I did not think of that. Is there?

720
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: Are there? They're they're not really people of color in

721
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: this movie. Mark Ruffalo is ethnic maybe yeah. Yeah, it's

722
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: very like background, like it's just set dressing, which is

723
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, it's the worst. Yeah, it's like the

724
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: version of New York where pretty much only white people

725
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: live in work, as we see in so many movies,

726
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: and tell people exist only twenty feet away. There is

727
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: a person of color with the speaking role who works

728
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: at Poise. Uh he. I think his character's name is Glen.

729
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: I only know it because I looked it up on IMDb,

730
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: but he is played by an actor who is Iranian.

731
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: Other than that, there's also a black woman who works there.

732
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: There's a black woman who works here who Judy Greer,

733
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: talks about her mission to destroy Jennifer Garner, who is

734
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: not named. Yes, we don't. We also don't get to see. Oh.

735
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: Then there's like the DJ who's playing the Michael Jackson songs,

736
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: which a thing that we can all agree ages very well.

737
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: It is extremely well. There are no documentaries about Yeah,

738
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: I know it's it's a super secret, super white upper

739
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: class movie, which, like rom coms in general generally and

740
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: movies in general generally, tend to be and like this movie,

741
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's no there's no societal questions invoked,

742
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: and it's just like, I don't know. The main thing

743
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: with this movie is it presents two kids a very

744
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: like yes queen girl power, capitalist feminist version of feminism

745
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: where they're like, yeah, if you have every advantage and

746
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: magic exists, everything's gonna end up high. Like I mean,

747
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,479
Speaker 1: you mentioned Christmas story kind of thing. I do think.

748
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: I guess that it's refreshing that we see a female

749
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: redemption story because we have so many male redemption stories

750
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: where we see so many stories about shitty men who

751
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: are like, oh, I see the error of my ways.

752
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: I have to be a better person. Uh and I'm tired. Uh.

753
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: So I guess because the way women are generally presented

754
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: in media is that they have to be perfect, already flawless.

755
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: They have to be these amazing creatures who like have

756
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with them, because otherwise audiences can't handle a

757
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: slightly unlikable woman. Uh. And we don't even see her

758
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: really do the bad stuff either, We just like, right,

759
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: that's all in the back story. Um, and we only

760
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: see her be this like very naive nine year old

761
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: acting person. So I guess it's cool that there's like

762
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: a redemption story there that we don't actually see, but

763
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: the fact that the like take away from that redemption

764
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: story is like I don't know, like if you're a

765
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: kid and you see this movie, like in my truly

766
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: like when I saw being like, oh well, I should

767
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: just kiss Peter Sacchetti on the lips and then I'll

768
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,479
Speaker 1: be an amazing person. Like the messages are like being

769
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: successful equals being raging bitch, and right, like the path

770
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: of redemption is directly tied to this very traditional thing, right,

771
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: being nice equals being like domesticated by a hetero relationship,

772
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: and that that is like cool cool, which is but

773
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: it's I mean, which is fine if that's what she wants,

774
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: but we just like we don't know if she had

775
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: a life at all. She goes from like we find

776
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: out this complex life that she had. She's sucking a

777
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: hockey player, she's doing all this stuff that I'm like,

778
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Yeah, if you were sucking a hockey

779
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: player and cheating on a hockey player, that sounds awesome,

780
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: But then you just sort of flashed for like when

781
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: she does the do over, she gets the most generic

782
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: version of generic happiness yeah, like, we just don't know anything.

783
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: I would rather be like, know the specifics that I'm

784
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: cheating on a hockey player than just be like you're married.

785
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to briefly touch on the representation of queerness

786
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: in this movie, because Andy Serkis is for a while

787
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: coated as queer. And then we see a stain toward

788
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: the end where uh, he's talking to Jenna. He's like, Hey,

789
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: that photographer who I don't think he has actually seen. Yeah, yeah,

790
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: we made him ask that he's like that yearbook photographer.

791
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: These pictures are pretty good. Does he fuck? He says

792
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: is he an Arthur or a Martha? Right? Is this

793
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: a common expression? Do we know this or is this

794
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: written by someone who's only heard of? Oh my god,

795
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: So I guess this means is he straight or is

796
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: he gay? Yeah? And then Jenna, because she is a baby,

797
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: says he's matt hot. And then Richard says no, no, no,

798
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: is he gay? And then she says are you gay?

799
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: And then giggle, giggle, giggle, nodding, shrugging, giggle, giggle. Aside

800
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: from the weird implied casual homophobia in this joke, he

801
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: should be worried about her it's implied they've known each

802
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: other for years. She would know this. If someone you

803
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: knew was gay for years, you were all of a

804
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: sudden like are you gay? Like you would have follow

805
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: up questions, right, Okay, So from his point of view,

806
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: he knows her is this likening bitch for years working

807
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: for him at this magazine, and then suddenly one day

808
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: she's like my dad who he's wayne drink? Like, are

809
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: you gay? I just like call someone. Jenna doesn't have

810
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: any good friends. So I also, first, I don't know,

811
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: maybe I'm dumb, but I was like, I felt I

812
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: had the same reaction. I was like, wait, this character

813
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: is supposed to be gay. What were the signs that

814
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: he just works in a magazine? I wasn't totally clear.

815
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't totally clear in that at first time,

816
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: because I hadn't seen this movie in a long time,

817
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: and like it was implied that they were close. But

818
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, Like it's hard to plug

819
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: yourself back into two thousand four logic. I'm like, is

820
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: a man who is comfortable around a woman get like queer? God?

821
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: I honestly wasn't sure that became like they seemed to

822
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: be friends and then he's like, of course I'm gay.

823
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: They are all men, just visibly tense and two four

824
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: all men where hockey players are gay, I would have yeah,

825
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, like and the the whole I mean,

826
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: the way sex is treated in this movie, I don't

827
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: know for this movie, if you're do if you're flashing

828
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: forward from thirteen thirty, you have to address sex in

829
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: some way. Um, So I don't know. I mean, I'm

830
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: curious as to like what you think, because it's the

831
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: way it's mainly addressed is through the hockey player. And

832
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: it was like, wasn't the best, Like it was weird

833
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: and he you know, but they're supposed to be in

834
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: a relationship. She does during that scene, she's like stop stop,

835
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm stripped. But I don't know. I mean,

836
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't really know how I would suggest

837
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: a rewrite for that scene other than them having a frank,

838
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: unfunny discussion. I feel like I appreciated how uncomfortable she

839
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: was because it was like one of the only moments

840
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: where they were like she is thirteen, except for the

841
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: other scene where she like flirts with that thirteen year

842
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: old boy. Yes, that's one of the moments where I'm like,

843
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: she's not stupid, wrong, and then Lucy voice of reason,

844
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: it's like, do you want to get arrested? Do you

845
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: want to go to jail? I actually kind of thought

846
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: that was okay, that was good. Yeah, but that was

847
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: one of the moments where it was like, even if Jennifer,

848
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: like if her character is supposed to be thirteen, a

849
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: thirteen year old would know not to do that, Like

850
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: that's something that a five year old would be like,

851
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: you're cute, but like a thirteen year old would be like,

852
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: I have sea cups. I can't do this right, you know,

853
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. That scene was weird. Well, so where

854
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: was I get at a bar? Yeah? Where were his parents? Parents?

855
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: Where his parents that he was alone with two full

856
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: bottles of ketchup? Is that happen in New York? I

857
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: think it was like ketchup at a bar. I think

858
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: it was like a cheesecake factory. But the big Time magazine, Yes,

859
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: go to the cheesecake factory. The logic of that scene

860
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: for the second there was an alone child, I was like,

861
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: what restaurant is this? I think I just have a

862
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: couple of quick almost afterthoughts. But there are some like

863
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: pretty rom comy tropes that are in this movie. We've

864
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: touched on a few already. But it's you know, the

865
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: woman who works at a magazine in New York's city.

866
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: It's the beautiful woman Pratt falling. It's the very white cast.

867
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: There is a short makeup putting on montage because women

868
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,959
Speaker 1: be putting on makeup, but she's also putting on makeup

869
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: when she's thirteen, right, true, but also because and she

870
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: puts on the same makeup. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah she

871
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: has not I allowed that. And then shortly after that,

872
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: there's a quick shot of her coming back from having

873
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: been shopping, because women be shopping, but if you woke

874
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: up and you had a six figure salary, I would shop.

875
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: She forgets her credit card too, They're like, miss your

876
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: credit card. She's like so rich, Like I want to

877
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: talk about Wendy really, Um okay, I Wendy. Wendy is

878
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: Matt's fiance and the weather woman, right, the weather person,

879
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: so like Wendy, don't clap for that. Wendy is marm

880
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: Ruffalo's fiance in the future, right, and Mark Ruffalo's character

881
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: is shady on the whole, and that he wants to

882
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: fuck a woman who acts like a baby also really

883
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: like buries the lead of the fact that he's going

884
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: to get married in trigger weeks. Has to run into

885
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: Jenna out in public after she hit on the kid

886
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: with the catchup, and then it's like, by the way,

887
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm engaged. Her name's Wendy. She's a weather woman, and

888
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: Wendy bravely says weather person, and we're like, okay, we

889
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: like Wendy, right, I feel so bad for Wendy. Okay,

890
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: like Matt is a deadbeat guy because apparently they're getting

891
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: married in two weeks, and she's like, I work in Chicago,

892
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: Matt might move in with me, and I city Wow. Wow,

893
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: that was really good. But then that is like they're

894
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: gonna be getried in two weeks, and Matt's like, I

895
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: don't know if we're going to move in together. You're like,

896
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: there's no sparks. She's like, I just don't really want

897
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: to be like a commuter couple, and she and he's like,

898
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: what did you tell her? He's the word? And then

899
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: at the end we're like we're supposed to be like,

900
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: oh no, we just want him to be happy with Wendy. Like,

901
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: I did appreciate that this movie is sort of like

902
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: avoided the trope of stop the wedding successfully, Like Jenna

903
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: wants to stop the wedding but then has to realize

904
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: that it's too late. In this timeline, she's a bit right.

905
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: She wanted a job too much. It would be so

906
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: beautiful if it just ended with her looking at the house.

907
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: But that wouldn't happen. That that would only happen now maybe,

908
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: but it would only result in like losing two minutes

909
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: of runtime. Yeah, you could just be like, this is

910
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: what happens if you want a career. Yeah, that's kind

911
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: of what the ending is anyways. Kind of Yeah, well,

912
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: but I just felt bad for Wendy because in the

913
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: future timeline, I hope Wendy is like Oprah and like

914
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: doesn't like never met Matt is far better off. Yeah.

915
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: The other thing I like about that is that that

916
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: character is usually presented as being this like evil, witchy

917
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: woman who like it's clear that the audience is meant

918
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: to hate her and meant to be like, yeah, screw her,

919
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: and we definitely want our hero Jenna and Matt to

920
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: end up together. But she seems perfectly nice and respectable,

921
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: so it would have been an easy choice and in

922
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: a common choice that we do see a lot from her,

923
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking of like how the first half of

924
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: Legally Blonde is we're like Soma there where like the

925
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: New Girlfriend is so I mean cal Hockley but like

926
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: a woman, but still like Wendy. We see her at

927
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: the end of her timeline about to enter a loveless marriage.

928
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,439
Speaker 1: That's so sad. It sucks. He's like, her family's here,

929
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: so I guess we have to get married. He's like,

930
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: we care about each other. It's not perfect, but whatever,

931
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: get out of my room. Yeah, I think that that

932
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: scene I really want to know why, Like Ariana Grande

933
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: was like obsessed with that house looking scene where she's

934
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: looking at the dollhouse. I mean it's in the thank

935
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: You Next video, like she hasn't seen it in a while. Yeah,

936
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: Like that's not the best moment, right. I feel bad

937
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: for Wendy in her timeline. Good for Wendy in the

938
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 1: timeline where she's not present, because hopefully that means she's

939
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: doing great. Let's see. I have a couple of other things. Um,

940
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: we touched on this a little bit already. But there

941
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: was an article published at the time of this recording,

942
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: just a few days ago. But it's entitled thirteen Going

943
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,479
Speaker 1: on thirty turns fifteen celebrate by admitting it's a better

944
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: film than Big Click Click, Yeah, here we go. It

945
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: was published in Decider by Anna menta quote that I

946
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: want to read is the real reason thirteen Going on

947
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: thirty never had a shot at the prestige status enjoyed

948
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: by Big is because it was made to appeal to women.

949
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: Quote chick flicks, as some like to call romance films

950
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: that center on a woman, are never quote refreshing or poignant.

951
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: Chick flicks, no matter how original they are are. Quote

952
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: well worn, formulaic, and uninspired. These are, you know what

953
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: the male critics say in terms never applied to action movies,

954
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: which are Yeah, and then Big gets to be on

955
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: the American Film Institutes list funniest films of all time,

956
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: while thirteen Going on thirty gets dubbed as a guilty pleasure.

957
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: So right, I mean there's so much I guess, like

958
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: my favorite there's like some great Lindsay Ellis video essays

959
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: for friends. Yeah, of of like how movies targeted at

960
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: women are always upon their release kind of like couched

961
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: and like, well, this is a stupid movie. But for

962
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: a stupid movie, I didn't hate it, Like it's so

963
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: couched in the way it's like reviewed. Yeah, I want

964
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: to say that it is like radical for the sleepover

965
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: scene because it's just like even though it's like centered

966
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: around her talking about Mark Ruffalo kissing her, they're still

967
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: like this beautiful like all these girls just like dancing

968
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: to love is a battlefield and like wearing a brawl

969
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: over their dresses, Like that's cool. That wasn't in Big. Yeah,

970
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: there's so much about this movie that I mean, people

971
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't stop watching it and a great movie. It's cute

972
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: and it's there's a lot. I don't know, there's a

973
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: lot to love about it. There's one scene that we

974
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: didn't talk about. There's one of the other female relationships

975
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: that we'd like grayze on in this movie that's like

976
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of half formed female relationships is Jenna and

977
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: her mom um where when Jenna goes back home, she

978
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: and her mom had this discussion where it's very expositional

979
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: this scene because Jenna is like, if you could go back,

980
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: do you have anything that she's like, well, I would

981
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: take away a few wrinkles, that's for sure, Like, okay, mom,

982
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: anything else and her mom, I mean, it's just weird,

983
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,759
Speaker 1: like that scene. I I like, because any scene between

984
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: a mom and a daughter that is like pleasant and sweet,

985
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, sure, but like we don't know anything

986
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: about Jenn's mom. Maybe she should regret. Yeah, maybe when

987
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: she's even regret right, I stand regret. She's like, do

988
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: you regret anything? And Jenna's mom was like, no, nothing,

989
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what if her mom did something horrible

990
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: and Jenna knows it. We don't know what happened. Really,

991
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: what if Jenna's mom meant that as a challenge where

992
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: she's like, three years ago, I killed five yeah and

993
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: got off on a technicality. Yeah, I regret nothing, your move.

994
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: Maybe she regrets trying to fuck Edward scissor Hands because

995
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: same actor. Really, Yeah, she's like the horny housewife who's

996
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: like Edwards, Oh my god, I didn't realize that I

997
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: love him. I would regret that. And I kind of wow,

998
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: that scene is weird because it's like her mom doesn't

999
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,799
Speaker 1: regret anything, but Jenna, by going back in time, clearly

1000
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: does so like, what what was the lesson? Right? I

1001
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: was like, well, I guess Jenna's mom, who we know

1002
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 1: nothing about, regrets nothing. Sure. One other quick thing I

1003
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: wanted to mention is just a reminder or you know,

1004
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: this has never been said before, but representation is important.

1005
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: I came up with that take of the this is

1006
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 1: not I know. I am so smart. Um, I do

1007
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: have a master's screen screen writing from Boston. What wait? What? Oh? Cats?

1008
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: Okay the musical? Okay, yes, are you in it? Okay? Not?

1009
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: The requests are coming out, so um you said Cats

1010
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: the musical? Just really quick. There is a scene where

1011
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner's character drives through Times Square and there is

1012
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: a Mama Mia poster. We talked about that anyway, cats

1013
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: have eight nipples. That's what people wanted to hear. It's

1014
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: not relevant to them, but that's cat facts. With Caitlin

1015
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: onto my point, which is that a pretty big part

1016
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: of at least the beginning of the movie is Jenna

1017
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: as a teen seeing women in magazines, specifically very conventionally

1018
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: attractive by Western beauty standards models in Poise in the

1019
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: eighties and saying I want to look like that. Like

1020
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: that is the ideal that is presented to me by society,

1021
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: and I need to make sure that that's how I

1022
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: look because that is how people will value me, which

1023
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: just again goes to show well that is presented in

1024
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 1: the movie as if it is the wrong frame of mind. Yes,

1025
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: and it's like but the movie goes on to really

1026
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: not challenge it at all because it's like, and she

1027
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: ended up working there, but she shouldn't have. She should

1028
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: have just gotten married, right, like yeah, yeah, and like, well,

1029
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: she also wants to be a part of something, like

1030
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: she wants to be a part of the Six Chicks,

1031
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: and like that is also the wrong move. Like it's

1032
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: just I feel like Jenna's character is so like profoundly

1033
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: punished for having wants and desires that for a thirteen

1034
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: year old girl are very which is to like want

1035
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: to fit in and to want to look like what

1036
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:47,879
Speaker 1: is presented to them, like incessantly, and she is somehow

1037
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: punished for that even though like she's really just like

1038
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: there's only there's probably no one here that didn't feel

1039
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 1: like that at some point, Like no kid when they're

1040
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: years old, or if or a few kids are like

1041
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: so aggressively woke that they're like fuck, I was like

1042
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: I would have done anything. Yeah. I really love that

1043
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: line where she's like, I don't want to be original,

1044
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: I want to be cool like the same yeah, yeah,

1045
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: like sometimes still adult. Yeah. And then just here Matt's

1046
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: over there being like, um, actually they're robots and he's

1047
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: but also like he doesn't get I don't know, just

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01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: like the fact that his point, they're like if she

1049
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: only just like pomped in a talking hands cassette and

1050
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: kiss that boy, she would get it. I mean, it

1051
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: does present the idea that a teen girl who wants

1052
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 1: the things that typical teen girls do will become an evil,

1053
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: heinous bitch. Yeah, exactly, like best case scenario, right, Like

1054
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I mean, I just like

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01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: I think that being a thirteen year old girl is

1056
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: the most fragile state of being and the fact that

1057
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,719
Speaker 1: she has like punished intensely for the next seventeen years

1058
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: of her life. This movie kind of taints the idea

1059
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: that like a boy and a girl in there like

1060
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: formative years can't just have a platonic relationship. It's it's

1061
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: a boy pining after a girl and it has to

1062
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: result in marriage or it was an invalid friendship. Also,

1063
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: if I had if I had seen this movie as

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: like a tween, and I had heard the description of

1065
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,799
Speaker 1: what seven minutes in Heaven was as it is described

1066
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: in this movie, which is whatever a boy goes into

1067
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: a closet with you and brutalizes and he can do

1068
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: whatever he wants to you for seven minutes, I would

1069
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: be like, I'm gonna live in a cave and never

1070
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: talked to anybody. That is so scary. The other line

1071
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: of dialogue that is frequently cited and very freaky in

1072
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: this movie is that line that Lucy has where Jenna

1073
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: is in the bar and she's like, I think that

1074
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: thirty is going to be awesome, and she's like, yeah,

1075
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: of course, you're thin, you're hot, you could get any

1076
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: guy in the world, and just like defining that as

1077
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: like the way to be a successful thirty year old

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01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: and she got. She doesn't challenge that, and really the

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01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: movie doesn't challenge in any way that could she doesn't.

1080
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: For everyone's so skinny except for the scared woman. Yeah,

1081
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: except for it's a very thin the oldest, most fearful woman. Yeah,

1082
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 1: Like there isn't the most diversity. We get the woman

1083
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: who is the most full of fear? Right? Does anyone

1084
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: have any other final thoughts? Okay, great, I think we

1085
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: have a few minutes for some audience questions and or comments.

1086
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: Hopefully we get to everybody. There's a lot of bustling. Well,

1087
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: we'll see, but there's a line dear God. Okay, cool,

1088
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 1: this is because wonderful Hi. What's your name? Him? Hi

1089
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: mean for you? Yeah? This is this is thank you

1090
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: so much. This is an embroidered tweet of mine. I'm

1091
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: so glad it gives me an opportunity to bring up Titanic.

1092
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: It was a tweet that I tweeted, apparently on December one.

1093
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: I love that you included that. Uh. My favorite part

1094
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 1: of Titanic is when Bill Paxton only wants to hear

1095
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: about what happened to the Diamond and Old Road tells

1096
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: a seven hour story about a stranger she fucked. Thank

1097
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: you so much. This is so awesome. Hello, it's so

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01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: hard to follow up higher bridget Um. I have a

1099
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: very important question. How do you think Alfred Molina would

1100
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: factor into think? Yes, I think we could easily recast

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01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo in this movie. And Jennifer Garnner answers the door,

1102
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: and she's like, wow, you look not what I expected

1103
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: going on. We don't know. I think that as with

1104
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: most movies, Okay, even better, Jenna is blindfolded at thirteen.

1105
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: She wakes up, she's Alfred Molina and it's two thousand

1106
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: four and she's filming a Spiderman too, and she has

1107
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: to figure out how can I actualize myself as a woman,

1108
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: and all will play Doc Dog in two thousand four

1109
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: and I have to play Tevy on Broadway. Yes, that's hard,

1110
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: that's the real I think that. Yeah, the rest important

1111
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: thing to know. Yeah, funck women, Let's recast Jennifer Garner.

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01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: Thank you, of course, thank you so much. Hi. Hi,

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01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm Hannah. Hi. I was wondering if you guys had

1114
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: any thoughts on the way Judy Greer is typecascid as

1115
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: characters were not supposed to like. I feel like in

1116
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 1: every single year I've ever seen people best friends, she's

1117
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: not You're not supposed to like her character. So yeah,

1118
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: I highly work if if if people here are like

1119
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: Judy Greer fans, which I am, she has a great men. Yeah,

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01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: she's great like and she almost never gets her do

1121
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: but like she wrote a great memoir about how this

1122
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: has been truly the course of the past several decades

1123
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: of her life of like being the best friend type,

1124
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: and I mean, it's just it's such a strange thing

1125
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: to be caught into. And she writes a lot about

1126
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 1: how like she's like, I think I look like a

1127
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: fairly normal person, and how normal looking people are demonized

1128
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: in in media, and how like normal looking people, even

1129
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 1: when they're very talented, are never used to their full ability.

1130
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: And she has like a lot of interesting thoughts on

1131
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: like where like if you get into deep Judy Greer lore,

1132
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: like she's so talented and she's done so many cools,

1133
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 1: she's still killing it. Yeah, but like the major roles

1134
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: she gets here so blat and so lame, and she's

1135
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: she she sort of draws the conclusion She's like, I

1136
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 1: look like a regular person, and that is why people

1137
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 1: think I'm mean and terrible. Oh my god, yeah, I'm

1138
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:02,879
Speaker 1: as high. So my question and slash comment was I'm wondering.

1139
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: So when I saw this again recently, it made me

1140
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: think of a friend zone wish fulfillment narrative from the

1141
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: side of the dude. So it's like she shows no

1142
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 1: interest in him when she's younger, except for friendship, and

1143
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: then you switched to his wish fulfillment, which is she

1144
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: should be punished for any of her other wants and desires,

1145
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: which are all fulfilled in the future except him. So

1146
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: it's this punishment because she gets everything that she wants

1147
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: then and it's all wrong, and she's punished for that

1148
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: because the one thing that him as a young person wanted.

1149
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, it does go like it was

1150
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: all orchestrated, right, He's like, here's the friend zone illustrated

1151
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: in a movie. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I wondered if

1152
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: you guys what your thoughts were. Agreed, Yeah, totally agree.

1153
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,759
Speaker 1: I hadn't really considered this be from Mark Ruffalo's perspective.

1154
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 1: From his perspective, it's kind of dope, like change, yeah

1155
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: the whole movie. He's just perspective. But yeah, and he

1156
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 1: either Timeline gets to marry a very successful woman who

1157
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: will presumably take care of his yearbook photographers pay him forever.

1158
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: He's like aggressively mediocre the whole Yeah. True, I mean,

1159
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: I mean I was still the s is Mark Ruffalo

1160
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: that its CBGV shirt, Like we get it. You like

1161
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 1: the talking hands relax there. Yeah, I think this movie

1162
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: is way more fun if you view it from a

1163
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,440
Speaker 1: friend z owe narrative. That seems like that's the victorious

1164
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: route to that's awesome. Thank you so much. Hi, Hi

1165
01:21:53,600 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: him um. Yeah, So I wanted to propose Maddie or

1166
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo as finest Icon because there is a very

1167
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: short scene where I had to actually rewine. Yes, I

1168
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: had to rewind a little bit to re listen to

1169
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: it because basically they're talking about spin the bottle. Spin, Yes, yes,

1170
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: spin the rapist, because spin the bottle, spin the rapist,

1171
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: spin the bottles, been the rapist, And I think because

1172
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: it's true, Yeah, is that when he's a thirteen year old,

1173
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,839
Speaker 1: when he's an adult. When Mark Ruffalo, I missed Mark Ruffo.

1174
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:40,480
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo was like me too, He was like, okay,

1175
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: point take it. Yeah, I agree. Wow, I still want

1176
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 1: to kiss. Thank you. Hi. My name is Nicole, And

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01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: as a woman in stem I say when Tom Tom

1178
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: found the snap oh male saying that Jenna was going

1179
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 1: to take the job at Sparkle, I was like, damn,

1180
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 1: I would do that too to advance my career. I

1181
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 1: think we were all painted to hate her, but I

1182
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: kind of identified and said, you know what, I might

1183
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: have done that too if I found out. My friend was, ye,

1184
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: it's reasonable. Yeah, I mean I think, yeah, like nihilist.

1185
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: Why like you're just like, you know what if I'm switching,

1186
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: if I'm going to participate in capitalism, doesn't matter which

1187
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 1: structure I participated, No, poised to sparkle doesn't matter. Yeah, No,

1188
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean I guess if Judy Greer is coming from

1189
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: the po v of just like, well, she was going

1190
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: to do it. So I'm Tom Tom. I wish I

1191
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: had like I'm Tom Tom, I could do anything. Thank you,

1192
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Hello. Hi, I'm Amy um. So

1193
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 1: I asked this question as a pure Mark Ruffalo fan,

1194
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 1: but I was wondering. He thought, if you were to

1195
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 1: replace Mark Ruffalo with Steve bush Emmy and Steve Bushey

1196
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: was there as her Oh god. Thirty year later, best

1197
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 1: friend asked the inventor of the which is the test

1198
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: that if you replace a conventionally hot man with Steve

1199
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: bush Emmy, how does the narrative change. I don't know

1200
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: how much about this movie changed. I think that Jennifer

1201
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 1: Garner is the I mean, I don't know. I mean,

1202
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: like Jennifer Garner is the weird one in a lot

1203
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: of ways, where she's rejected a lot of times by him,

1204
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 1: and she just keeps being like, hiya, I'm thirteen. And

1205
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: but if you see Steve, but if you see Steve

1206
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: Bushemy be like, okay, like big eyes, she'd be yeah,

1207
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: she'd be like you have arm hair and a scary

1208
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 1: face and then they kiss. Yeah. I feel like Mark

1209
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: always looks like confused and Steve bush Emmy always looks

1210
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 1: like do they know? Right? Yeah? Yeah, It's like there's

1211
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 1: always distant sirens, but you're like, I wonder if they're

1212
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: actually gonna get closer. Who are they for? I don't know. Yeah,

1213
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: I think that the Steve the test definitely applies to

1214
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: this story. As with any born Sexy Yesterday trope, the

1215
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: Steve bush Emmy test is in full effect. Yeah, for sure.

1216
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: Can I also just comment on how many times this

1217
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: happens in the movie where Mark Rufflo is like walking

1218
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: away and then Jenna is like so many times and

1219
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: then he turns around, He's like what and then she's

1220
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: like a or something like it happens. Okay, I want that,

1221
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 1: Okay anyway, but the Boschemmy test is definitely in full

1222
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: for sure. Fore, Hi, So my question actually serendipitously connected

1223
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 1: that one, which was just that when I was watching

1224
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: the movie, I think you guys might agree that there

1225
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: was not a lot of chemistry between Mark Ruffalo and

1226
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: John Gardner. Loved them both independently, but that romantic story

1227
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: was like kind of like. So my question is how

1228
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: much different or better would the movie be if the

1229
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 1: long lost childhood friend was actually a female character. Everyone

1230
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:41,799
Speaker 1: just caught horny all at once. That was a very

1231
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: unique moment. I think the crowd has indicated it would

1232
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 1: be much better better, I mean if there was I mean,

1233
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 1: but even truly like if you do like, because I

1234
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: think that the Judy Greer character warn it's more explanation.

1235
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,879
Speaker 1: No bully exists in a void. Maybe we write Maddie

1236
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 1: out and we figured that out. What's going on there? Tom? Tom?

1237
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 1: Why did you still my proposal and leave me to

1238
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: get molested by a kid in a closet? Right? And

1239
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 1: she's and because I loved you? That's why progressive there?

1240
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's and there's so many young like,

1241
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 1: there's so many young women at the in the beginning

1242
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 1: of the story who are basically mean nothing to the

1243
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 1: plot besides Tom Tom that, yeah, you could sub ut

1244
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: Maddie very easily and people would be horning her. I'm

1245
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 1: very down for that. And I just like, truly do

1246
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: think that the Judy Grid character was not examined well

1247
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: enough as an adult or a kid, and that whether

1248
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: it be as a friendship or something more. Uh, that

1249
01:27:55,560 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: like that relationship wasn't fully explored in the movie. Yes,

1250
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 1: for sure, Thank you, I love it, Thanks you guys,

1251
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah of course. Hi. Hi, last point, I guess more

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Speaker 1: of an observation than a question in terms of people

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Speaker 1: of color representation. As a person of color who grew

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Speaker 1: up in the New Jersey suburbs, the biggest plot hole

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Speaker 1: to me was how many black people were at the

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Speaker 1: Wendy and Mark Ruffalo's character wedding. It was literally fifty

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Speaker 1: if you want to go back and watch. Urged to

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Speaker 1: my husband and say, how do you think it's so

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Speaker 1: many black friends? So so just something for everybody to

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Speaker 1: watch out for this. Thank you, Wendy the Woke weather Woman. Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for everything. I have two observations.

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Speaker 1: First is tom tum is usually used to French for

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Speaker 1: GPS machine sitcom. Oh yeah, yeah. And the second was

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Speaker 1: what if Mark Ruffalo, who was very stupid it's also

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Speaker 1: thirteen in a thirty year old spody. It just and

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Speaker 1: just like played it way cooler. Oh my god, whoa hey,

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Speaker 1: way more fun. I like that. It always reminds me

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Speaker 1: of what's the character's name in The Good Place, who's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm a monk, And it's just that he's a I mean,

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Speaker 1: his whole character is already kind of like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is that why he didn't know he was married? Yes,

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Speaker 1: more like us acted back on him. That would explain

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Speaker 1: so much of his suspicious behavior. And why are you

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Speaker 1: still such a horrible photographer? You know when he gets

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Speaker 1: a check and he's like, this would mean a lot

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Speaker 1: for me, but what if it's like four dollars, he's

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Speaker 1: like Jennifer was like, that's only half of it. It's

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Speaker 1: actually eight dollars. He's like, holy shit, Oh man, well

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Speaker 1: just this movie fast. The Bectel says, Yeah, yes, women

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Speaker 1: talk about a lot of things. They talk about magazines,

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Speaker 1: they talk about age swaps, they talk about hangovers, they

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Speaker 1: talk about being thirty. Yeah, there's a lot of different

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Speaker 1: combinations too. It's like Jenna and Lucy, Jenna and her

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Speaker 1: assistant mom Mom Jenna and Becky um bev bev according

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Speaker 1: to IMDb. But yeah, we don't know that I'm in

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Speaker 1: the icon IMDb. Yeah, so that's a hard yes on passing. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I guess finally, how would everyone rate this on

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Speaker 1: our nipple scale? Our nipple scale. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: go first. Okay, Melissa, would you like to her first? Oh? No? Um, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be consistent with what I've been saying. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll give it four nipples, and two of them I

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Speaker 1: will give to Mark ruff Buffalo to do as he pleases. Um,

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Speaker 1: and they're my nipples and I can feel it. And

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Speaker 1: and then the third nipple, I guess I'll give to

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Speaker 1: the to the scared woman representation matters Um as a

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Speaker 1: woman who's afraid, always loved her. And then I'll give

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Speaker 1: the last nipple to to Judy Greer storming down the

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Speaker 1: magazine hall throwing things. Yeah, I'll come with three. I

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Speaker 1: think I think that there's like there's a lot to

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Speaker 1: love about this movie. I'm still attached to it. I

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Speaker 1: think that it sort of I'm like between two and

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Speaker 1: a half and three, because there there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: underlying messages with this movie that I feel like either

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Speaker 1: path of the movie presents is not ideal and really

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01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 1: only applies freedom of choice to which guy you kiss,

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Speaker 1: where you know you can either choose the path of

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Speaker 1: choosing a group of female friends and a career or

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01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 1: choosing a guy, and one is clearly good and one

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01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 1: is clearly horrible. And so I think that there's like

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Speaker 1: a lot of demonization of women working at all in

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Speaker 1: this movie that I thought, even for two thousand and four,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of a strange thing to be doubling

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Speaker 1: down on. I wish that there was a female, like

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Speaker 1: a relationship between two women of any sort in this

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Speaker 1: movie that we could really really root for, or that

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Speaker 1: felt super nuanced and grounded. But whether it's like Lucy

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01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: and Jenna, Jennet her mom, Jenna and Becky, they're all

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01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: kind of one note and play out either kind of

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01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: like nothingness, like Jenna and her mom, or we don't

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Speaker 1: know anything about their relationships so their conversations don't matter,

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Speaker 1: or it's two women who are actively against each other

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Speaker 1: and it has to do with career ambition, and it's

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01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: just like women can't work together and just kind of

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01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 1: all these like old tropes that seep into it. But

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Speaker 1: I do like that it's her story, she has an

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Speaker 1: active role in redeeming herself. And I just, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just love I'm very attached to it. I like

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Speaker 1: it and I like the dancing, and I'll give it.

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Speaker 1: I'll give it two and a half. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: give one too. Was Eileen or Arlene? Are are Lane

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01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: Arlene the assistant? She has two fearful nipples now, and

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Speaker 1: I'll give the other one and a half to Andy Circus, Yeah,

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01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: because he never gets real human nipples. He always gets

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Speaker 1: c gas. I'll also go with a two and a

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01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: half just to piggyback on everything you said, Jamie. But

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Speaker 1: I also think it's important to like, this is an

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Speaker 1: unapologetically I would say, girly movie. And that's okay, that

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Speaker 1: is good there, it's good that those exists in the world.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just it's so it's okay to still

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01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: love it. Um. Yeah, I'm gonna go with a two

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01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 1: and a half. I will give two nipples to Judy

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Speaker 1: Greer and I will give my half nipple to Wendy. Yes,

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01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: Wendy Justice for Wendy. Yeah, Wendy, don't you a successful

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Speaker 1: meteorologist with a woman in stem Melissa, thank you so

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01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:10,799
Speaker 1: much for being us. Where can we find you online?

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01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 1: Where can we listen to Say More? Tell us everything? Um,

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01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 1: you can listen to Say More podcast hosted with Olivia

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Speaker 1: Gatwood on all streaming devices, and you can follow me

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Speaker 1: everywhere at Hello Melissa, which is Hello Melissa without the

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Speaker 1: h awesome. Thank you, Thank you guys so much. Thank

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Speaker 1: thanks to the Bellhouse for hosting us here, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming. Thanks to you for being here on Game

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Speaker 1: of Thrones night's starting right now. Did you know that

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Speaker 1: the dragons and Game of Thrones can't talk? I learned

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Speaker 1: that today. Yeah, they are not smelled. You can't do.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming, Thanks for tomming those

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Speaker 1: to everyone who came to that show at the Bellhouse.

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Speaker 1: That was such a blast. It was recorded on like

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Speaker 1: the third to last episode of Game of Thrones and

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Speaker 1: we were afraid no one was going to come, but

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people get packed. It was so much fun. Yes,

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Speaker 1: merch and posters that helps us out a lot. That

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Speaker 1: She was so awesome and please check out all of

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Speaker 1: a blast. And thank you to Jennifer Garner, I mean

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Speaker 1: and thanks. We should always think the lead actors at

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Speaker 1: the end of every episode. And of course this wouldn't

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Speaker 1: It's true and she would have she but she's so gracious.

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