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Speaker 2: When I tell you, this man is an icon, and
Speaker 2: this man is a legend. This man has shaped He
Speaker 2: has made so many babies throughout this world because the
Speaker 2: music that they was making babies too. He was making
Speaker 2: it for you for decades and decades and decades. They
Speaker 2: said he grabbed a guitar at three.
Speaker 1: Years old and was making beats. Then I'm making that.
Speaker 1: This man, this is a legend of legend uh.
Speaker 2: From from from all the icons that he's worked with,
Speaker 2: and he's this is something that.
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to do for so many years.
Speaker 2: When we started to show, we said that we wanted
Speaker 2: to give people that paved the way before us.
Speaker 1: And this is a legend. This is this is a
Speaker 1: real icon. This is a person that when you look
Speaker 1: up I'm sorry to say it, when you look up music,
Speaker 1: his picture, shit is gonna be right there. Music not music,
Speaker 1: not hip hop, not R and B music, period.
Speaker 2: This man has done the way. He's the reason why
Speaker 2: most of us is here. And we won't give you
Speaker 2: your flowers today. We want to show you how much
Speaker 2: you mean to us. And in case you don't know
Speaker 2: who we're talking about, the one, the only, the impeccable,
Speaker 2: motherfucking Before I get into everything, right, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 2: you which is a great moment with me. Right, Me
Speaker 2: and you are watching Pharrell's movie.
Speaker 1: Right, We're both at the premiere, sitting in the cluster,
Speaker 1: sitting across from each other. And this is how I
Speaker 1: know you're a real person.
Speaker 2: I saw a genuine love when you saw him on
Speaker 2: that screen. I got I was sitting right directly behind you,
Speaker 2: so I got to see you, like how I'm looking
Speaker 2: at EFN right now And I saw you and then
Speaker 2: look and the only of the time I've ever saw this.
Speaker 1: In life, I mean in music business. Let me just
Speaker 1: limit it to.
Speaker 2: That was one time I went with with Knaves and
Speaker 2: he watched rock him perform and I saw the joy
Speaker 2: in Nod's face watching his his Uh that's his leader, right,
Speaker 2: that's his and this is your protegect. This is I
Speaker 2: know you, your humble guy. So yeah, but I saw the
Speaker 2: happiness in your face. I got to see it, and
Speaker 2: I was like, that is so that is so rare
Speaker 2: and seldom that people like.
Speaker 1: You show that love. You know what I'm saying, trying
Speaker 1: to say like like like I sincerely saw that. Man.
Speaker 1: I was so happy. I'm always forever proud. And then
Speaker 1: I remember I remember me talking to you and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I didn't know what the fuck
Speaker 1: I was doing in this movie and you said me, neither, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did five years before.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's take it from there. Did you know
Speaker 2: this was a Lego movie? Because I didn't know until
Speaker 2: I was in there.
Speaker 1: I was told it was an animated movie. Ain't that
Speaker 1: what I told you? They never said lego, They said
Speaker 1: animated an Okay, just understand. When the trailer came out,
Speaker 1: we were trying to tell him how big it was,
Speaker 1: and he still didn't understand. I was like, no, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I mean same thing. Somebody called
Speaker 1: me and said, yo, mm hmm, your studio is coming
Speaker 1: down like this. This is just dropping all right. I
Speaker 1: was like, whoa. So when I first saw when I
Speaker 1: saw it, M this is crazy. See what's next? And
Speaker 1: then then it shows a little snippet you know, of me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I look funny. I had
Speaker 1: the big the big splitting my teeth and everything. It
Speaker 1: was really wide. I was like I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is dope. And then I had I
Speaker 1: changed clothes in the movie and it's like you real life,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: I had a different clubs. So it's so dope. Like
Speaker 2: you know, I've been we've been doing this. We're going
Speaker 2: on ten years.
Speaker 1: Next month. And what I like to do is, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to do research.
Speaker 2: And I got to say when I've said this a
Speaker 2: couple of times, but what I got to say is
Speaker 2: your history. It's probably the richest history I've ever like
Speaker 2: really like googled and like just got because like you
Speaker 2: control the music.
Speaker 1: For maybe four decades. Yeah, I've been in for this
Speaker 1: is my forty year.
Speaker 2: This is your forty year, right, And I'm looking and
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, bro, you know what's crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't remember not knowing you, like since I was
Speaker 1: since you were aware of music, since I was aware.
Speaker 1: That's what's crazy. I feel like I know you my
Speaker 1: whole life, and I know I don't, but the same thing.
Speaker 1: That's how Yeah, I feel the same way because you
Speaker 1: coming for else's right. That's right, grandchildren, that's right, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's what that's That was the beauty part of seeing
Speaker 1: that too, because obviously I had an album before I
Speaker 1: met Forever when.
Speaker 2: That Pharrell took a chance on me and I took
Speaker 2: a chance on him, right, right, But let's take it
Speaker 2: to the beginning now, right.
Speaker 1: A lot of people credit you from Virginia, right, and.
Speaker 2: They say that he's a lot of people don't know
Speaker 2: not only you from Harlem, You're from the part of
Speaker 2: Harlem that probably ever existed.
Speaker 1: The pictures with you. Rich Water went to high school today, Okay,
Speaker 1: talking about because a lot of people don't know that, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, that was your peer, that was literally your peer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's my big brother. You know. When we
Speaker 1: went to high school. We used to scamble, scammer, gamble, oh,
Speaker 1: gamble Okay, yeah, I heard your gambler high school me Defer.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, how about Aceptford is like my nephew, Yes,
Speaker 1: except which is deeper. I went to school with his father. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. So all of the fathers, you know, our sons,
Speaker 1: you know ya, no problem, we were taking Deferd used
Speaker 1: to do all of our trucks. He did all the
Speaker 1: graffiti on our on our jeeps. Wow, pathfinders, m v
Speaker 1: P s you know m P I knew exactly what
Speaker 1: you meant Forget that. But yeah, I went to school
Speaker 1: with almost everybody from the hood, right, but I lived
Speaker 1: in every in every borough though except that now that okay, wow,
Speaker 1: we started uptown. Oh wow. I lived in Queens, but
Speaker 1: not long. Okay. I lived in the Bronx when I
Speaker 1: moved from the projects. That was the first place I
Speaker 1: moved was Riverdale, Okay, Yeahdale, and uh we got problems
Speaker 1: up there. That's before they had a Starbucks. Now they
Speaker 1: got a Starbucks. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay. Then I moved
Speaker 1: to Jersey in Biggie's old house. Oh, in Great Neck right, okay,
Speaker 1: so how how how does because I want to I
Speaker 1: want to, I want to. I want to stay there
Speaker 1: for a set.
Speaker 2: People know who Rich Parter and like our pole is now, right,
Speaker 2: were you ever like were you ever felt like you
Speaker 2: were in like danger or like just being around them all?
Speaker 1: They were just irregular, that's my guy. Yep, I'll poll
Speaker 1: that's not gonna say alcohols. It's twenty nineteen game. So
Speaker 1: when he came at the Apollo, okay, he came to
Speaker 1: my dressing rooms career, you know, even though he killed
Speaker 1: my best friend. All right, you know, we have to
Speaker 1: learn how to forget. You know what I'm saying life
Speaker 1: for sure. I knew it when it came from us,
Speaker 1: but I knew a lot of people, you know, was
Speaker 1: they had. That's how pose she was the rich Porter
Speaker 1: because I think you just said that's your best friend. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's like my brother, I mean rich Porter. Him and
Speaker 1: a Z kicked me off the street. I heard you
Speaker 1: say that I would like to read, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I got kicked off of like for good reasons, the
Speaker 1: blocks because they knew I was into music. And then yo,
Speaker 1: so rich Porter was just give me a give me
Speaker 1: money and just like, yo, I need you to stay
Speaker 1: to protect you. Yeah. But at one point I'll pole
Speaker 1: put about two million dollars in my trunk that California
Speaker 1: presenting the Guy album to m c A and my
Speaker 1: brother Marquel from Rex in effect had my car. He
Speaker 1: pulled up on my brolly. He said, take this briefcase
Speaker 1: putting in trunk. Tell you whether I want to be
Speaker 1: in the music business. And I said, uh, I said,
Speaker 1: get that ship back. I said, give it back. Tell
Speaker 1: him you at I'm gonna be in California for a while,
Speaker 1: and uh, yo, I'll talk to him when I get back.
Speaker 1: So up when you know, we always had that. That's
Speaker 1: how we went to Virginia Beach. Do you know they're
Speaker 1: the cause. We are the cause of going to Virginia Beach.
Speaker 1: We used to try to a bus right and just
Speaker 1: take a bunch of girls and everybody. We used to
Speaker 1: go down there and just go to King's Dominion, you know,
Speaker 1: just have fun, have the jet skis. And when I
Speaker 1: went down there, I just said, yeah, I said to
Speaker 1: my fiance at the time, my ex, I said, if
Speaker 1: I moved anywhere, I want to move here. Not thinking
Speaker 1: there's no music, there's no scene. It was nothing for
Speaker 1: me to grab one to. I had to create that
Speaker 1: and that's what I did. I created jobs for people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I created places for kids to go and things for
Speaker 1: kids to do to stay off the streets, and it
Speaker 1: definitely worked. I had shoot Allen Iverson was on my
Speaker 1: Celebrity Basketball I remember, I remember, and uh, Kevin gott
Speaker 1: Nat you know, all of them came down, Penny Holloway,
Speaker 1: they came down. Everybody always wanted to see what what
Speaker 1: is going on in Virginia Beach. That everybody just keep
Speaker 1: going down there and and like you said, there's something
Speaker 1: is in the water. Oh yeah, definitely. And you believe
Speaker 1: that there's something in the water that's always is, always
Speaker 1: have been. That's why we went down there. You know.
Speaker 1: When I went down there, it was just nobody was
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Buffett, you know, and I just said, you
Speaker 1: know what, as like, yo, are you sure you don't
Speaker 1: want to go back to New York. I was like, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm just staying here. But they thought we was drug dealers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we had every two And we had to
Speaker 1: prove ourselves, you know, to the these cops because they
Speaker 1: kept coming into the to the studio investigating us. And
Speaker 1: we finally got to them, he said, you know, and
Speaker 1: they were asking us what could we do for the community. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe you can help us. And we went to We
Speaker 1: had asked them to introduce us to the principal of
Speaker 1: the school where Pharrell went to school, and Chad and
Speaker 1: Long Behold. We talked to the principal and we asked them,
Speaker 1: can we do some challenge shows here? He said, only
Speaker 1: want one condition, can our students participate? I said, of course,
Speaker 1: that's the purpose of us doing it here. And one
Speaker 1: thing that to another. We had the first Talent Show
Speaker 1: and everybody was you know, we had judges that came
Speaker 1: down something from New York, and Tammy Lucas was there
Speaker 1: and she was one of the judges. And I have
Speaker 1: to give Tammy the credit because you know, Tammy is like,
Speaker 1: you got to check these young boys out. You know,
Speaker 1: they playing on tables and ship you know, like banging
Speaker 1: on tables and spitting fire. So I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: check them out. Everybody's going for the people singing I
Speaker 1: Will Always love you, the greatest love of all somebody
Speaker 1: who hold a long note, and everybody's mm hmmm, that's
Speaker 1: not it. Before all of them got on, they didn't
Speaker 1: have the concept, but they came out and he was
Speaker 1: spitting the Talent Show right, Okay, he started switching instruments.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's it, because you picked them to
Speaker 1: win the Talent Show. That's crazy. Yeah. I was like, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm going backstage. I'm going to talk to them. And
Speaker 1: I always felt like I owed you money because because
Speaker 1: Tammy Lucas, he just brought her up a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know Tammy Lucas is that voice that you
Speaker 1: hear what what I know that And for years, people
Speaker 1: will come up to me and say, you know that's
Speaker 1: that's that's Teddy Routy artist and now we'll be like
Speaker 1: holy ship. So I didn't know. But that's a that's
Speaker 1: a that's an unhidden gym right there. She's she's amazing.
Speaker 1: You know, we're we're actually cranking up the new New
Speaker 1: Jack Swing tour. And uh, we just sold out of
Speaker 1: at Meylmore. We sold a lot of concert and I
Speaker 1: didn't think I could do it by myself. And I
Speaker 1: just say, you know what, sell out to sell out,
Speaker 1: but the mayor told us, yo, y'are the only ones
Speaker 1: that's sold out here. Wow. It's makes some noise for that.
Speaker 1: But we are supposed to come back for Jazz in
Speaker 1: the Garden and uh something else we're performing at. And
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna bring High five, bring Dougie Fresh.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I just said, you know, I just want to
Speaker 1: open up shop. And you know, we're looking at places
Speaker 1: here just you know, kind of because my wife, you know,
Speaker 1: she her family lives here. I said, you know, just
Speaker 1: get a second home here, that's right, and just kind
Speaker 1: of starts something. So I'm ba Savona a little bit.
Speaker 1: Kids at work. Was that don't look them up.
Speaker 2: I specifically heard you for the interview and you said,
Speaker 2: do not look that up and look them up.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, holy ship.
Speaker 2: For people who are starting out right me and he
Speaker 2: makes fun of me all the time.
Speaker 1: My first MC name was MC Yahoo with the ball
Speaker 1: to Bean.
Speaker 2: So get that work is better. But let's take us
Speaker 2: to those days. What's that you guys to to formed
Speaker 2: that group?
Speaker 1: Actually it was Timmy Gathering okay, original member of God
Speaker 1: Okay wow. And the other guy is our big brother,
Speaker 1: Chlorl who's now he's like one of the most sorted out,
Speaker 1: most sorted out vocal coach. He works with a lot
Speaker 1: of singers and we're all still doing our things. But
Speaker 1: Timmy Gatlin was the one who I started kids at
Speaker 1: work with, you know, and we did a record, we
Speaker 1: did a you know album, didn't do nothing. So that's
Speaker 1: made that's what made me just quit doing R and B.
Speaker 1: So I was doing rap records. I did Kumode, Dougie Fresh,
Speaker 1: Spooney g the Wop Dance, the Anthem That's New Generation,
Speaker 1: which has been so dice got you back into R
Speaker 1: and B. Yeah, okay, with with Keith Sweat, you know,
Speaker 1: with Keith Sweat. Yeah, that's what got me back into
Speaker 1: doing R and B. And first that I did was
Speaker 1: I want to and I just said, you know, this
Speaker 1: is this is uh, it's gone. I'm gonna make something
Speaker 1: out of this. Yeah, it just jumped out of me.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's all good. Just hit me it's not good.
Speaker 1: But that's that's where my music just started evolving. Okay,
Speaker 1: in my life as well, you know, because coming from
Speaker 1: the hoods, you know, you never know how you you're
Speaker 1: able to get out, you know and really make something
Speaker 1: out of yourself and not seeing a few people like
Speaker 1: it's a little before your time. But tell us thee
Speaker 1: Earleen Twins, Arleen Twins, I Knowles Wins. Yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: one of them passed away. Goblin, yeah yeah, Leroy Burgess
Speaker 1: always can't all from Harlem, Black Ivory. They had radio
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn. I thought they was from Brooklyn. But no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: what yeah they might yes, yes, but all of us
Speaker 1: we lived everywhere, you know in New York. It's like right,
Speaker 1: but coming up when I was hustling, I was going
Speaker 1: to Halem World actually actually had Sixteenth Street and Lenox Avenue.
Speaker 1: I used to go and see all of the rappers,
Speaker 1: like you know, Furious Five, Crash Crew, z B. I
Speaker 1: was at the battle. When you're on the ground, you're
Speaker 1: on the ground level of it all. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was at when Como D was battling z B,
Speaker 1: L Couch. Everybody was there and sitting through that being
Speaker 1: a fan. Never thought I would be working with all
Speaker 1: of them. It's like surreal And that's my thought pattern
Speaker 1: of like that, Well I ever make it out of Harlem.
Speaker 1: So all I wanted was my records to play on
Speaker 1: the radio. I didn't even think about money. They just
Speaker 1: thought about I need to give my music out there.
Speaker 1: And it got out there more than I thought it was,
Speaker 1: you know, because one record led to another, and you know,
Speaker 1: radio stations started really taking a you know, taking a
Speaker 1: like into my music. So when I started R and
Speaker 1: B with Keith Sweat, Yeah you heard of Frankie Crocker.
Speaker 1: Of course, I don't want to say names like yo,
Speaker 1: I was too young. If we don't know, we need
Speaker 1: to dig in the craze. Faky Crocker was the one
Speaker 1: that broke I want to for you was the guy
Speaker 1: on the radio station. Correct, he was like he was
Speaker 1: like back then the most paid radio guy for better
Speaker 1: term probably what we was to start, like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: there you go. So Frankie he debuted I Want To
Speaker 1: and it was on jam at the slam It and
Speaker 1: everybody slammed it. Slam it is the bad one. That's
Speaker 1: the bad. So Frankie took it upon himself, you know,
Speaker 1: go against the grain and say, you know, y'all may
Speaker 1: slam this record, but I'm a jam thissh record. Y'all
Speaker 1: don't understand. This is the new wave. And when we
Speaker 1: did that, I felt like Robert Townsend on uh, it's
Speaker 1: that movie. He's like, they planning it, they're playing it
Speaker 1: on the radio. Mom, So was it a good? God?
Speaker 1: Not five heart beats? Right?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: You know what? Okay, I don't remember, but that's how
Speaker 1: I felt, you know. And my mother was there with me.
Speaker 1: It's like we're hearing the record on the radio. But
Speaker 1: before all of that, my mother made me do the
Speaker 1: poor man copyright the mailing. Yeah, so I mailed tape
Speaker 1: yourself to myself. Okay, yeah, that's copyright. Cool, damn the
Speaker 1: postmark when I make that. You know, she was like
Speaker 1: because when she first heard it, she and she know
Speaker 1: what it was, but she was like, this sounds good.
Speaker 1: You know. I used to always get how you say
Speaker 1: bothered by the neighbors, you know, because I was making
Speaker 1: a lot of noise. Noise, yes, of course. And then uh,
Speaker 1: like I said, when they started evolving and everybody started like, yo,
Speaker 1: he's gonna make it out of the projects. So everybody
Speaker 1: became fans and supportive. So that's where I raised you. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right. Hold on, we got to go back to
Speaker 1: because I feel like we're going to skip forward. We
Speaker 1: jump around, I'm so happy, I'm happy, I'm sorry, and
Speaker 1: so many iconic records, but going back to these early
Speaker 1: hip hop records that you were involved in, like the show, Yeah, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Can you give us like a breakdown of
Speaker 1: how that comes about? Yeah, so the show basically came
Speaker 1: about me and Doug. You first went to the same
Speaker 1: high school, and actually we got kicked out of three
Speaker 1: high schools before ending up at the same high school.
Speaker 1: And uh, we don't know this version. We don't see
Speaker 1: you being like that guy getting kicked out of high school.
Speaker 1: It's okay. I got kicked out because that into a fight.
Speaker 1: And when I got into a fight, I threw one
Speaker 1: blow and everybody threw all the blows. Deferred everybody, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see deferged, sister Kim. Everybody was just on this
Speaker 1: guy because he kind of snitched on me. Now we
Speaker 1: throw the how you say, the eraser the chalk boy
Speaker 1: at the teacher. So I threw the chalk boy and
Speaker 1: next thing you know, everybody was laughing and the dude
Speaker 1: was like, he did it. It's like, let's see you
Speaker 1: after school. And then, uh, the dude when he got
Speaker 1: hit about four or five, everybody just went on him
Speaker 1: and he his whole fronts was gone because he went
Speaker 1: straight into the fire hydrant. Damn. Next day I got
Speaker 1: to school, they took me straight to the office. It's like,
Speaker 1: mister Rolli, you you expelled. We're evaluating you know, you're
Speaker 1: you being here and it looks like you're not gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna get You're getting kicked out. So I got
Speaker 1: kicked out and went to uh west Side west I
Speaker 1: High High. I ain't stayed there long. I didn't get
Speaker 1: no fun, but I just didn't pass the programs. You
Speaker 1: know how you go to school one week and then
Speaker 1: you work one week, so it's co op. You know
Speaker 1: I did that. I quit job the first day and
Speaker 1: w first went to the same school he got kicked
Speaker 1: out of, King went to west Side. We both got
Speaker 1: kicked out of West Side end up at Parkies and
Speaker 1: that's where we created the show. That's when we've created
Speaker 1: the show, and then we performed it at the graduation
Speaker 1: he graduated. I was in eleventh grade. So when he
Speaker 1: left the school, I quit school because I was making money.
Speaker 1: I had my first publishing deal with Zumba. Let's job, right,
Speaker 1: So my first publishing deal and son and Grand so
Speaker 1: over time, I think it was three hundred grand. So
Speaker 1: I had one hundred grand a year or something like that.
Speaker 1: I'm eighteen years old, right, Yes. I took that home
Speaker 1: to my mom and the hundre ground or the three
Speaker 1: hundred grand the hundred ground. I told her, you know,
Speaker 1: we got she made it with a job. I made it.
Speaker 1: She was like, nah, wa ain't Quentin, you got to
Speaker 1: make ten moretels. Wow, let's make some little shot. It's real,
Speaker 1: that's real. So I went and made ten more right
Speaker 1: before twenty, right, took it to her and she said, okay,
Speaker 1: we can move now, now we can move. So we
Speaker 1: moved to the Bronx first, and at that same time
Speaker 1: I was working with Andrew Heel Uptown Uptown, so I
Speaker 1: had two places. I was living in Brooklyn, at Uptown,
Speaker 1: I was living in we moved to the Bronx. At
Speaker 1: the same time, I'm working with Keith Sweat mixing. I
Speaker 1: want to and to make the last Forever album. Get
Speaker 1: a call from Timmy gathering. But we're going back to Dougie.
Speaker 1: I'm a segue back. So when we did this show
Speaker 1: at the graduation, when he left, I quit school and
Speaker 1: then he went on to making, you know, making ways,
Speaker 1: performing him at Slickorid performing and I had to kind
Speaker 1: of find my way. And when I quit school, I
Speaker 1: ended up working for my uncle but also performing at
Speaker 1: the same time, and they built a studio for me
Speaker 1: at the rooftop because I.
Speaker 2: Heard a story. I believe you told it. You didn't
Speaker 2: even have a board when you started out. You would
Speaker 2: go and learn.
Speaker 1: At everybody's studio, going everybody studio and the program just beats.
Speaker 1: Put it on a cassette, take it with me, and
Speaker 1: just play it for everybody. So until I was able
Speaker 1: to afford a drum machine, I was just doing that
Speaker 1: first drum machine I was on was uh, the Oberheim
Speaker 1: d X weight. So I want to come tell all
Speaker 1: the trappers out there. I was doing trap before them,
Speaker 1: making records with like go see the Doctor eight away,
Speaker 1: and you know, we didn't have it washing, nothing sinking,
Speaker 1: so we used that punch to make two drum machines
Speaker 1: sink together. Wild You young motherfuckers need to listen. You
Speaker 1: know you know how hard that ship is. Go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. That was the That was the first I know,
Speaker 1: but sides doing Dougie Fresh the show, the show, I
Speaker 1: didn't really know where it was going. But when the
Speaker 1: show came out, even though you know, I didn't get
Speaker 1: any credit for it, because like I said, I had
Speaker 1: started in my eyes. I just wanted to record play
Speaker 1: on the radio and you know, be a part of something.
Speaker 1: And that's how I started evolving in Harlem. And then
Speaker 1: everybody came to me from Brooklyn, the Queens and everybody
Speaker 1: would come to my projects and I would make records
Speaker 1: for everybody. So I'm bouncing around a little bit, like
Speaker 1: you said, I need to ask you this. I believe
Speaker 1: I see Jermaine depreciate this. He said that New Addition
Speaker 1: is the greatest group of all time. Then they questioned them.
Speaker 1: They said, because each one of of these members solo
Speaker 1: went platinum, do you believe that statement? I believe they
Speaker 1: are the greatest group of all times. Are we making
Speaker 1: no noise for that? Yeah? Okay? And why I say
Speaker 1: that is because them together is a nucleus. And now
Speaker 1: you see them all together. Nobody's standing up to that
Speaker 1: and their group that got back together and stayed together
Speaker 1: because they'd seen the business. They stood on business. If
Speaker 1: other groups would stand on business, we would have a nucleus.
Speaker 1: And we have groups back. Wow. Right now it's the
Speaker 1: recession of groups. Now we're leaning towards we're leaning on
Speaker 1: the legends. Wow. You know. And they're the legends that
Speaker 1: is really setting the example, you know for the other legends.
Speaker 1: You know, all these groups breaking up is like one
Speaker 1: twelve Now it's just twelve. Damn. I didn't know that,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, really damn what they doing? Then you
Speaker 1: got groups that lost members like High five. Yeh, I'm
Speaker 1: putting them back together. Yes, intro. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of groups out there that are legend groups, but there's
Speaker 1: no new groups. Okay. I thought Day twenty six was
Speaker 1: going to be you know the next next big thing. Agree,
Speaker 1: but it happen so for real, so real. It was
Speaker 1: definitely a dope group developed by Heavy d and and
Speaker 1: uh Eddie F and the crew. I think what it
Speaker 1: is is, you know, it was the artist development.
Speaker 2: Artists development is missing in the industry. Yeah, I agree
Speaker 2: with that one mean thing.
Speaker 1: When we had I was artist developed. This is a
Speaker 1: lot for Oh yeah, it was about a year my
Speaker 1: first I went to media coach. My first media coach
Speaker 1: was Wendy Williams. Wow. No, hell, that's why she didn't
Speaker 1: talk about me. Damn, oh you never have. That's like
Speaker 1: my sister, okay, like in a good way. That's Whinny
Speaker 1: Williams gave me my fortieth birthday party wow in California.
Speaker 1: And my second media coach was Nelson George. Wow. My
Speaker 1: third was the guy who gave me the name new
Speaker 1: Jack Swing and that's Byry Michael Cooper who wrote and
Speaker 1: co wrote New Jack City. M So I was around
Speaker 1: a lot of people. It was just you know, creating me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like this guy would like
Speaker 1: pressure me to uh give a name to my music,
Speaker 1: like call my music something, and I didn't have no idea.
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, this is your second session, your
Speaker 1: third session, you better have a name. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a name. He's like, I'm going to give you a name,
Speaker 1: and he said you should use new jack Swing because
Speaker 1: you're the new kid on the block swinging it. Wow.
Speaker 1: And that's how I got the name of just He said,
Speaker 1: run with it. You'll thank me later. He's in my
Speaker 1: book too. The whole genre was that, let me tell
Speaker 1: you something, the genre and still today, you know, technically
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know they're doing the jack
Speaker 1: swing right, So a fusion. We one man of acent
Speaker 1: googled it and had it plan and we didn't realize
Speaker 1: how many workds you. We were doubting. It was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, he couldn't have did that too.
Speaker 2: Do you understand how many Do you understand how how
Speaker 2: many lives you change? Like we're all sitting here just amazed,
Speaker 2: like all of us, come, let's just give it like
Speaker 2: this is here.
Speaker 1: We were so I believe you are first guest that
Speaker 1: came a little late, and we was like, we do
Speaker 1: not care. Whenever he shows up. We're cool with it.
Speaker 1: But do you understand how many lives here you changed?
Speaker 1: To do this, and I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not even getting to Bobby. I'm not even getting
Speaker 2: to Michael yet. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: I'm just getting into you and your groups. For me,
Speaker 1: I don'm doing on my past, all right. I don't
Speaker 1: do it on my past. I try to forget about
Speaker 1: it so I can keep going, right, So it's like
Speaker 1: I'm almost famous, right, That's how I go every day.
Speaker 1: I just think about that. Okay, what was it was?
Speaker 1: What it is now? It matters, you know, if I
Speaker 1: can change and continue changing lives, that's what matters for me,
Speaker 1: and I am you know. It's like I can go
Speaker 1: anywhere and I can live anywhere and something gonna come
Speaker 1: out of it. Never I don't know. I just feel
Speaker 1: like the most high is like, all right, you're gonna
Speaker 1: go here, You're gonna live here, and you're gonna do
Speaker 1: something here. That's what I did in Virginia. I did
Speaker 1: it in Atlanta. I was in Atlanta before the village.
Speaker 1: I heard second home, second home, but Vegas, California. Living
Speaker 1: in Atlanta was one of the things that I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to do and I want to
Speaker 1: kind of more often exfuse the music and bring everybody
Speaker 1: together try blue jack swing, just put it all together.
Speaker 1: And I wound up working with a lot of people there.
Speaker 1: But the main thing was challenging to me was moving
Speaker 1: to Korea. Wait a second, you moved to Korea, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to do K pop. I mean I knew there was
Speaker 1: a lot of people from out here that was influencing
Speaker 1: that whole movement. You were, and you told me I
Speaker 1: was my daughter. You a whole conversation. I got listen
Speaker 1: to Golden every day. Those records, they are amazing. And
Speaker 1: when I went out there, it was two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: I went out there and got robbed rob. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you how not rob Like onto my head. They stick.
Speaker 1: They got some shree guys out there. They're ill business people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are really ill. So when we went out there, right,
Speaker 1: I did a whole I had I think every news channel.
Speaker 1: We did a press conference. The reason why because I
Speaker 1: didn't know how big my music was out there. K
Speaker 1: pop is new jack swing. And then I get out
Speaker 1: there like not knowing anything about the business aspect, like
Speaker 1: the stock game, and I'm out there like they give
Speaker 1: me half a million dollars do this, and you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm doing it but not. I finally had like
Speaker 1: a few meetings with the CEOs and CEO's like when
Speaker 1: come with us, So I'll go with s some entertainment,
Speaker 1: not knowing that when they put put me on the books,
Speaker 1: they stock went up. I didn't ask the stock to
Speaker 1: get stuck. Dumbest ship out. But I still made a
Speaker 1: lot of money out there. I still made ways and
Speaker 1: now you're here Teddy Rally is a part of you know,
Speaker 1: k pop. It's responsible. But when I went out there,
Speaker 1: let me tell you I got I went out there,
Speaker 1: did this whole press conference. There's a company I ever
Speaker 1: heard of, a company called ten Cent. They're like Rockerfeller
Speaker 1: in Korea. Yes, they're like the South Korea big yeah,
Speaker 1: South Yeah, but they're like the biggest when it comes
Speaker 1: to they're like Viacom Okay, wow, okay. They own everything
Speaker 1: out there, the karaoke machines, all of that stuff. Like
Speaker 1: you go in the mall, you know how we get
Speaker 1: those the picture taking things, karaoke machines, all the malls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's big out there. That makes more money than anything. Wow.
Speaker 1: So I'm out there and they were like, we'd like
Speaker 1: to figure out doing a movie with you, and I
Speaker 1: was like, great, let's do it. You know, they said,
Speaker 1: what you gonna call it? I want to call it
Speaker 1: Asia A star in Asia. They take my shir and
Speaker 1: ran with it. I was like, oh, they just took
Speaker 1: the idea. They trademark, did they trade magt It was
Speaker 1: like wow? And then oh, I didn't know he was
Speaker 1: going there me out here out there. They gave him
Speaker 1: two million dollars and he shared nothing with me. I
Speaker 1: come back, I get forty grand and I'm on my way.
Speaker 1: Why did ten cents come to try and sue me?
Speaker 1: Because they thought I was doing the movie and they
Speaker 1: gave him the money. He did the contract. So I
Speaker 1: had to prove myself to them, saying, listen, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a man of honor. I would never take your money.
Speaker 1: They knew somebody was doing dude and got married on
Speaker 1: their money for the wife. And this is the guy
Speaker 1: that brought you out the originally yes so, and the
Speaker 1: same guy who was taking my publishing because we had
Speaker 1: did records for artists. Oh god, we did records for
Speaker 1: this artist's name. Uh, what's his name? I think it's Rain. No.
Speaker 1: Rain is the guy who's like usher out here okay,
Speaker 1: so we did these records. This company took out publishing
Speaker 1: and mechanic rights. I didn't know that ASCAP does not
Speaker 1: exist in Korea. They have their owns. The company is
Speaker 1: called Kumka Oh. And these guys was publishing our songs
Speaker 1: and copyrighting our songs. We went through Korean music book
Speaker 1: camp check this out. We had already went there, came
Speaker 1: back and me and my guys did. We did these
Speaker 1: records for them. They paid us nice money and everything right.
Speaker 1: It was like, yo, where's all we issues? Like what
Speaker 1: we It's like, Yo, let's go back. I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: we ain't going back to start no trouble. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go back and say it's not fear and hopefully it
Speaker 1: will meet somebody who can help us. And that's how
Speaker 1: we met as some entertainment and they help us get
Speaker 1: every publishing, mechanical rights and all of our rights back. Wow.
Speaker 1: On a condition of me staying for two weeks to
Speaker 1: do some music with the artists. Two weeks turn into
Speaker 1: two months, two months turn into two years. Living in Korea,
Speaker 1: it's like, we enjoy your music. We want can you stay,
Speaker 1: We'll get your house, We'll get you They got us
Speaker 1: a building. Wow. We built the studios and the building
Speaker 1: and we were there for two years. Let me find
Speaker 1: out you speak Korean? Now, how far to at all?
Speaker 1: I was translating. Oh, now they got the you're talking
Speaker 1: and you can talk right about yah. Sure that's right.
Speaker 1: And I was, you know, getting I had my translator
Speaker 1: on my phone and that's how I got around. And
Speaker 1: I didn't have to go in too many places. I
Speaker 1: stayed in the studio. I live in the studio, okay.
Speaker 1: So when I was out there, I had no relationships.
Speaker 1: I just I was in that studio and they thought
Speaker 1: I was a martiroom because I would be in that
Speaker 1: studio from ten to ten in the morning. They would
Speaker 1: be coming into work and he's like, he's still here.
Speaker 1: So they built me a bedroom in the actual office.
Speaker 1: Goddamn it. Wow, that's hard. So it's safe to say
Speaker 1: that you open those doors for a lot of people
Speaker 1: over here too. Well. They were doing what they're doing anyway, right,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of collaboration have to do it
Speaker 1: for it to be introduced. Now, I can't say that
Speaker 1: because you had what's my guy, Jay Park? Jay is
Speaker 1: a Jay Park. He was doing it. He came over here,
Speaker 1: but I went over there, and when I went over there,
Speaker 1: it was just I was working with every broup. We
Speaker 1: had five six number one records, and we place stove
Speaker 1: for forty forty songs. So I was pretty much living
Speaker 1: comfortable out there, and in my mind was kind of
Speaker 1: learning the culture. It's kind of getting together while the
Speaker 1: record business over here was getting it together because it
Speaker 1: was a recession. But what years are is this exactly
Speaker 1: when I went over there to live, it was twenty
Speaker 1: ten to twenty twelve, and yeah, that's when we had
Speaker 1: the whole real estate crash out here. That's when the system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then that's what streaming, streaming is interesting kindas
Speaker 2: and all of that.
Speaker 1: When I came back was when Heavy D passed away,
Speaker 1: and that's what made me say it, I'm coming back
Speaker 1: to America. I moved to Atlanta then asked my sister,
Speaker 1: just find me a place. It's like where you want
Speaker 1: to live, gated community. I said, no, I want to
Speaker 1: live next to you. They found me a place and
Speaker 1: I lived there for a little while and kind of
Speaker 1: outgrown it and moved into a house, you know, big house,
Speaker 1: and stayed down there for a while. Atlanta. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: how do you feel like was that? Was there a
Speaker 1: culture shock living out there? I was assuming that's your
Speaker 1: first time living outside of the States, was it. No,
Speaker 1: I lived in London. I lived in London. My earlier
Speaker 1: is when I was working in Cood and the Ocean.
Speaker 1: We did all like I'll go see the dots. How
Speaker 1: do you like me? Now? Those records we did in
Speaker 1: London we did at Battery Studios because draft records. We
Speaker 1: don't realize how much of those records were made. It
Speaker 1: was a battery studio. I didn't know Battery Studios was
Speaker 1: located in London. They have one in London and one
Speaker 1: in New York. Yeah, but I didn't. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't hold so damn that's fucking me up. So that's
Speaker 1: where y'all you and hold D recorded that, like we
Speaker 1: did first album, second album. Then just legendary, I see,
Speaker 1: because I can't fathom this because because I lived there,
Speaker 1: like we would spend three to maybe six months. But
Speaker 1: that wasn't much of a culture shock being in in
Speaker 1: London versus here as it was. And me tell you why,
Speaker 1: driving on the wrong Yeah, we didn't drive. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not getting into no accident. But I'm used to
Speaker 1: driving on outside. So when that happened, you know, we
Speaker 1: were have a driver. They gave us the driver clip
Speaker 1: Calder Clock Calder was a guy who was the first
Speaker 1: guy to see me make a b wow. I was
Speaker 1: making how you like me now? And when he came
Speaker 1: in the room, he was he was behind his dark
Speaker 1: you know, tenthed glass watching me. Were you using? I
Speaker 1: was using the MP because they had one. There wasn't mine. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't about to say it wasn't MP. Was the
Speaker 1: behind the d X and no was an MP. It
Speaker 1: was I can't imagine. I had a sepler the s P,
Speaker 1: No was it spee and but it was this. I
Speaker 1: ain't had no drum machine on the Ford one, so
Speaker 1: I was banging out on everybody's joint, you know. But
Speaker 1: when I was there, they had every drum machine. And
Speaker 1: I made that back and he was just watching. I've
Speaker 1: seen his head just going. And then he walked in
Speaker 1: the room. He called me another name, no Clive.
Speaker 2: Okay, ceo, because I keep looking at his glasses and
Speaker 2: I was looking at you.
Speaker 1: He's trying to imitate I keep looking bad. He called
Speaker 1: me my partner. My partner name is Levor and he
Speaker 1: said Levor. I said no. He said, what's is your name?
Speaker 1: I said, I'm Teddy Riley, Teddy Wally, Teddy that kind
Speaker 1: of sounds huh sounds good good, Yeah, Teddy Rally. He said,
Speaker 1: so you make the beats. I said, yeah, I make
Speaker 1: the beats. He said, can you excuse me a second?
Speaker 1: I says yeah, sure. He went upstairs and called Barry Weiss,
Speaker 1: John Records as well, and Callie, all of them. I said,
Speaker 1: he got them all on the phone. He told me this,
Speaker 1: He said, I got them on the phone and asked her.
Speaker 1: I said, who's Teddy Rowley? And and I guess they
Speaker 1: answer is Teddy Rally is one of the guys. You
Speaker 1: know he works with them, He works with He said,
Speaker 1: you guys know he makes the beats, and he's like nobody.
Speaker 1: It was crickets. And he said, I told them, if
Speaker 1: you guys, when he comes back to the States, if
Speaker 1: you don't have him in that office making a deal,
Speaker 1: somebody's getting fired. And I had a meeting with him.
Speaker 1: I went down there by myself and didn't have no lawyer,
Speaker 1: no nothing. It's my first meeting with him and that
Speaker 1: was how I got my first hundred thousand dollars two
Speaker 1: zumber and that was my first publishing deal. God damn me,
Speaker 1: that's wild. Makes a noise for you want to do
Speaker 1: quick Time of Slim, but you gotta explain that. Let's
Speaker 1: do it. Let's get a designate a drinker. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you don't have to drink. Okay, okay, you can, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll get something. Get somebody like you. Yeah, my nephew.
Speaker 1: Oh ship damn he do you under the bus like that?
Speaker 1: I like that. He what I would do with my nephew.
Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know. He told me. Okay, okay, okay, okay, drinking,
Speaker 1: I'm ting there. Yeah, So we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna ask him, and you know, can you break down
Speaker 2: the game?
Speaker 1: So this is our drinking game, okay, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: give you two choices. If you pick one, we don't drink, right,
Speaker 1: But if you say both are neither, like you really
Speaker 1: don't want to answer. I plead the fifth, You plead
Speaker 1: the fifth. We're drinking everybody's dress, but really we just
Speaker 1: want stories out of it.
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna lie to you. I feel like
Speaker 2: Teddy is a great person. He's not going on one
Speaker 2: to answered every sense I forget.
Speaker 1: No, it was a great dad. He answered everyone. So
Speaker 1: Dad here he answered everything. Don't yeah, he asted everyone politically.
Speaker 2: So, nephew, I'm not you want did you really ask
Speaker 2: for tiger and we're doing yoghe No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: he's asking you don't want to tag?
Speaker 1: You don't. I don't want. No, nephew, nephew, you don't want.
Speaker 1: You don't want to tag a ball. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. We're gonna as if you want
Speaker 1: late Dominican mamajuana. Oh wow, okay, okay, so you ready
Speaker 1: get wait, hold on, it's get You got a couple
Speaker 1: of shot glasses from Yeah, that's good the first then okay,
Speaker 1: backing up, this is this is great, by the way,
Speaker 1: for a couple.
Speaker 2: I have to take the first question because I probably
Speaker 2: think you're the only person on earth that could probably
Speaker 2: answer this question.
Speaker 1: This is one of the biggest on our show. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do it not too not too heavy for.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna go in
Speaker 2: there because I'm gonna go I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 2: go in there I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'll take the first one.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be too great, okay, Michael Jackson or Prince.
Speaker 1: And we need stories too.
Speaker 2: Yes, I believe you're the only person who sufficiently answer
Speaker 2: this question.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, Michael Jackson, of course, which I want me
Speaker 1: to tell you. And I feel like you definitely got
Speaker 1: print stories. I do, okay, But Michael, I have more
Speaker 1: stories and substance. And why I say Michael, I came
Speaker 1: ready for the Michael answer. Now you know you just
Speaker 1: gave him my answer. But why say Michael Is because
Speaker 1: Michael wasn't just uh an artist. He was a visionary
Speaker 1: humanitarian well model And now everybody's see now today how
Speaker 1: much of a role model he was to the kids.
Speaker 1: He's vindicated in a lot, yes, And it took us
Speaker 1: this long to really find out all the things that
Speaker 1: he did to really save humanity, you know, humanity. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that principal, you know, was there. I
Speaker 1: pressed did a lot of things, but not what Michael
Speaker 1: who have done, and the chances that he took just
Speaker 1: for all of us. So I have to say him
Speaker 1: in always, not just as an artist. I have to
Speaker 1: say him he's the one in every way, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you always say the same things.
Speaker 2: This is why we want to ask you. This is
Speaker 2: a this is like still on the same question, but
Speaker 2: a little bit off. We had what I am on here,
Speaker 2: what I am telling this story, and he goes famous.
Speaker 2: It's the favorite story.
Speaker 1: We did not want. We did not know this was
Speaker 1: gonna go viral. But he was like that.
Speaker 2: Prince kept calling excuse me, a Prince kept calling Michael
Speaker 2: a meanie.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Michael was called calling Michael. I gotta
Speaker 1: feel that you know about it. I know about the
Speaker 1: whole thing. I was the first one was VH that's right,
Speaker 1: and the big TV before where I am and everybody
Speaker 1: because Michael told me this story okay, and showed me
Speaker 1: and gave me the v H s.
Speaker 2: There's a VHA talk about your TV that because I
Speaker 2: heard Michael.
Speaker 1: Gave you a t No, that's another thing lost. Okay,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, James Brown concert, Okay, okay, I was
Speaker 1: the first one with it. We spoke about this on
Speaker 1: the from Michael before anybody even thought about it. Michael
Speaker 1: told me everything.
Speaker 4: He said, you know, can I tell you about the
Speaker 4: time that Prince tried to run us off the road
Speaker 4: me and my family.
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, tell me that was what happened.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, it's going to Can I show it
Speaker 1: to you? I was like, sure, what you're gonna show me? Said?
Speaker 1: He said, I'm gonna show you. Look. Look he took
Speaker 1: the thing he put in. He pushed the VHSA. He said,
Speaker 1: this is you can have it copies. I have copies.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, So he showed me it. He
Speaker 1: sat back. He's like, he's like, everybody my preends in
Speaker 1: the house. Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, come up here, Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: So he came up. Michael came up. He's like, gave
Speaker 1: my hugs, and you know, did his thing. He just
Speaker 1: killed it, did the moon walk everything. And James was
Speaker 1: just like, wow, look at the boys. All right, So
Speaker 1: that's Michael Coat. So Michael said, you know, after he
Speaker 1: did his thing, everybody went nuts. Michael went in whispered,
Speaker 1: and James brown ear and said, Princess an audience. He said,
Speaker 1: what princess an audience? Oh? I got somebody else on
Speaker 1: the audious one. He's all now thought he said, Prince
Speaker 1: Pressed is an artist. And Prince came up and he
Speaker 1: was on the bodyguards showeder you know, on his back,
Speaker 1: came up and everybody's like, first of all, you don't
Speaker 1: you could have walked up there, but Prince, you know,
Speaker 1: he could have walked up there. It would have been
Speaker 1: better received because everybody now is like, who's this mother's son?
Speaker 1: But this before Instagram is Prince come up, body guy,
Speaker 1: bring him on his stays. He goes his post and
Speaker 1: Prince borrows the guitar from the guitar player. But he
Speaker 1: took his glove off. He took his glove off, he
Speaker 1: threw it in the crowd. He threw it back at him.
Speaker 1: No ship, that was the first and then uh, he
Speaker 1: boughted the guitar. Now the guitar don't have no distortion
Speaker 1: because it wasn't rock music. It was changed bowl music.
Speaker 1: So Prince was playing and he hit the no deal
Speaker 1: they so he went. He wanted to keep, he wanted
Speaker 1: to scream, and it didn't scream. He tried something else.
Speaker 1: Then he said, all right, let me just bust a
Speaker 1: move on you. And the look at the to and
Speaker 1: that's when he I think that's when he threw the glove.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look back at it. But that's when he
Speaker 1: threw the gloves and they threw it back at him.
Speaker 1: Then next to you know, everything he tried just and
Speaker 1: didn't want work right, so he said, oh, just forget
Speaker 1: about it. I'm done. I'm gonna get that nigga, Michael,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get his ass. He checked this out. He
Speaker 1: went to go get off the stage. So he didn't
Speaker 1: know that the light post was a prop. So he
Speaker 1: told the light post. The post came down with him
Speaker 1: and the bodyguard, you know, kind of saved him, took
Speaker 1: him away. And Michael's in the back just laughing. Okay,
Speaker 1: you see you see you laughing. He said, you know
Speaker 1: what happened afterwards? I said, what.
Speaker 4: He said, we was going on with my family was
Speaker 4: leaving backstage, and always say him it was the Red
Speaker 4: COVID and it's Prince.
Speaker 1: He tried to run my whole family over. I said,
Speaker 1: you seriously, said yeah, yeah, it it was on. After that,
Speaker 1: that's when the whole thing was like Prince against Michael,
Speaker 1: and you know, everybody went to Michael's side. I got
Speaker 1: to Mike, but I don't know Will tell it that way.
Speaker 1: I feel like Will told us the story. After that,
Speaker 1: it was another show show that he was at. And
Speaker 1: but the reason why he called him because of that.
Speaker 2: And I believe that he tricked Michael into tricking him
Speaker 2: to his show. He had already had Print's book, but
Speaker 2: he didn't.
Speaker 1: Want Michael to know. And then when Michael showing up,
Speaker 1: he said, he's a meanie. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: made that voice. I'm so sorry. He's right, and he
Speaker 1: used that way lies, he used that way. There's a
Speaker 1: few people he called meanie, like it's a few people.
Speaker 1: But uh, he said that about Prince a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a mean he's he's I can't even say man.
Speaker 2: But because because us in hip hop, we look at
Speaker 2: jay Z and now so we look at like, uh uh,
Speaker 2: Drake and Kendrick right now, and we look like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's us who did that? We don't realize that that
Speaker 2: should been happening those rivalry. That was the first industry
Speaker 2: beef was Princeton Michael.
Speaker 1: And then us and addition, I forgot you that was
Speaker 1: the second. That was the second that was super duper
Speaker 1: wild because I was in the middle of the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Where was that? What was it? What's the club downtown?
Speaker 1: It was like an Auditorium, man Center or something like
Speaker 1: Hammi Stop, Borrow Webster Hall. It was downtown and all
Speaker 1: I can remember it was Manhattan something man Sea. Chop
Speaker 1: Cup Quest performed Rex and Effect perform and I performed
Speaker 1: with them, and now we in the audience and a
Speaker 1: fight broke out and it was one of Posse, which
Speaker 1: is my Cruel and Trip Corp quests, and I'm up
Speaker 1: here and yeah, nation, yes, next thing you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, somebody got the best of them. And then
Speaker 1: I never knew Chop Cut quests as fighters because they
Speaker 1: are some of the best rappers in the war. But
Speaker 1: it's always like my crewise just wow. Right. And when
Speaker 1: that fight broke out, all I heard was Leo saying
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: Teddy Rally, you're going to you wanna pay for this?
Speaker 3: I was like, wow, I didn't know who Leo was
Speaker 3: wit what does Leo have to do?
Speaker 1: Because Leon, it was death jam That's why I had
Speaker 1: to put it together. Sorry, he said, You're gonna pay
Speaker 1: for this. I was like, what did I do? You
Speaker 1: the leader? That's how Leon sound You're the leader. I
Speaker 1: was like wow. So I'm like, how are we gonna
Speaker 1: fix this? But wait, it doesn't stem from the line
Speaker 1: that Five says in the song about New Jack Swing,
Speaker 1: no at all, because that's what everybody always know what
Speaker 1: that was from. But I knew that, but that was
Speaker 1: somebody bumped. Somebody wasn't. I don't know the timeline. It
Speaker 1: was a bump or something. Okay, I got to ask
Speaker 1: my mother I just talked to today. We got a
Speaker 1: huge building that we're about to uh move in on
Speaker 1: twenty Fish Street Club, So I'm gonna ask him about
Speaker 1: that because I never knew how that ended up. All
Speaker 1: I knew I gotta screamed that by Leoor and I
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't want to meet him that way.
Speaker 1: I didn't know who he was, but I knew he
Speaker 1: was with Russian Depth Jam and then Russell Simmons, they
Speaker 1: all walked up. I was like, Wow, this is deph Jam.
Speaker 1: I don't want to have no fight with them, like
Speaker 1: you know, so long behold. It led to us having
Speaker 1: a meeting at the Moss on a deal it was,
Speaker 1: and then all law school back who went to jail
Speaker 1: because everybody had guns, and everybody had guns. I didn't
Speaker 1: go because I was like, if I go, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a problem. I feel with your affiliation with Alpho
Speaker 1: in them is no no, no, no no, So it's
Speaker 1: not it's not We cannot say that not them. Nah,
Speaker 1: they didn't get involved.
Speaker 2: You've been involved with a lot of cases.
Speaker 1: But imagine as regular fans seeing this playout, not for them.
Speaker 1: We didn't think of rex and Effects as necessarily on
Speaker 1: some Doug ship and question. Yeah, we were confined. Now
Speaker 1: understood the Zoo Do Nation aspect of it, and then
Speaker 1: then we started reading more into who was behind rexing
Speaker 1: Effects and the crew y'all had, and then we saw
Speaker 1: how it was going to get a little nasty. Wow.
Speaker 1: I think we started out damn the Bloods and the
Speaker 1: crips in the projects. Damn it. I mean why y'all
Speaker 1: were read right now? Damn bro. But when it all happened,
Speaker 1: shout outs, because you know, Uncle Mike conception, it's like
Speaker 1: my uncle, No, I did you say that is your
Speaker 1: uncle Mike exception? Yeah, you might as well say, man,
Speaker 1: we've done a whole lot, you know, I kind of
Speaker 1: He always said I saved him from you know, getting killed,
Speaker 1: you know. And he had a meeting in New York
Speaker 1: with the Chris Sanda Bloods and he told them. Yo.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for Teddy, he ate my life and
Speaker 1: I got calls from everybody like, yo, you saved my
Speaker 1: conception's life. We just business, and you know he basically
Speaker 1: helped me, you know, with sharing my business. He was
Speaker 1: a part of me working with Mike Cool Wow him
Speaker 1: the Black Godfather and Quincy Jones. He's the one that
Speaker 1: did all in the same game. Yeah right, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I always you know, get flowers with it
Speaker 1: do and he's one of the ones that you know,
Speaker 1: really saved me with Jean, you know, West coast side
Speaker 1: and then on the East coast side, my uncle owned
Speaker 1: the rooftop. My uncle and uh affiliated with Country and
Speaker 1: NIGGI bonds people, the council. You're the council. My oldest
Speaker 1: brother was a part of the council. So when I
Speaker 1: left Jean and broke up with Jean and eighty nine,
Speaker 1: I know, we're jumping all over the Jean eighty nine
Speaker 1: because we got to get back to the game. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: we got it ready ready, yeah, by somebody else asking
Speaker 1: the same thing. But when I left Geane eighty nine,
Speaker 1: it was because of my mother. You know. My mother
Speaker 1: was like, if you don't leave him going back to
Speaker 1: the projects. And I wasn't having that. So when I
Speaker 1: left him, there was a contract all my life. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: and people were hearing about it, you know, watch out,
Speaker 1: watch out for Geene or watch out. So of course
Speaker 1: I have my family, and I have an incredible team,
Speaker 1: and then I have the brothers, you know from the Moss.
Speaker 1: In fact, he was actually eighty six from the Moss,
Speaker 1: you know, because of me. So when all that happened,
Speaker 1: my uncle took it upon himself, got with Nikki's people,
Speaker 1: and Country was the one who bought Jean, because you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of had a hold on jan so he went,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with uh. There's a
Speaker 1: place that the Italians own in Harlem call the flash
Speaker 1: the flash Bar. I wasn't familiar. It's only bar. Most
Speaker 1: of the homes and all the projects and the buildings
Speaker 1: are brown and you know, beige, and this was the
Speaker 1: only red spot. And why they have it read because
Speaker 1: some people don't leave it. They die in there, almost
Speaker 1: like rails. I mean, I put that on rals. But
Speaker 1: but they called a meeting with Jean at the flash Bar.
Speaker 1: And when they call that meeting, my uncle called me.
Speaker 1: He said, you're gonna go in here. If you flinch
Speaker 1: or you you feel don't feel good about this, you're
Speaker 1: gonna leave. We're gonna stay and he's not coming out
Speaker 1: of here. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna follow
Speaker 1: the plan and I'll tell you about Alpo too. So
Speaker 1: I followed the plan and my uncle started the conversation.
Speaker 1: He said, what is this? You have a contract out
Speaker 1: of my nephew, and Jeanne kind of just said, I
Speaker 1: don't have a contract. You know, maybe somebody else that
Speaker 1: you know care about me and you know, felt like,
Speaker 1: you know he did me wrong, but they don't know.
Speaker 1: But if it's something that I can control, I'm going
Speaker 1: to control it because he's like my son. He actually
Speaker 1: was my godfather. So when that happened, I said to
Speaker 1: my uncle, we're good. He said, you go ahead. I said,
Speaker 1: let me speak to you. He gave me and he said,
Speaker 1: he said, what do you want? I said, don't do anything,
Speaker 1: but to your uncle. You're saying that no to Jane.
Speaker 1: I said that to my uncle, don't do anything. To Jane,
Speaker 1: don't do nothing. I believe him because sometimes it could
Speaker 1: be your crew. Yep. Just like posse Deep. I didn't
Speaker 1: do nothing with child Caught Quest, but posse Deep got
Speaker 1: into it. But it looks like I'm the leader because
Speaker 1: it is my crew, so and they were signed to me,
Speaker 1: so it looks like me. So I believed him, and
Speaker 1: long behold. Years later, Jeane Griffin and I got back together, wow,
Speaker 1: as father and son, godfather and son. And before he passed,
Speaker 1: you know, I got to you know, take him out
Speaker 1: of the home because he had dementia. So I got
Speaker 1: to take him out of the home. And in fact,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a chapter in my book about forgiveness.
Speaker 1: I feel like, if you don't have forgiveness in your heart,
Speaker 1: you'll never leave this earth complete. Mm hm. So I
Speaker 1: always believe in, you know, completion. So that's what happened
Speaker 1: with that. But let me tell you something else that
Speaker 1: I'll post. Said on the radio.
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, I'm the one that Teddy stopped from
Speaker 4: killing Jean.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, Yeah, I told him too, wow,
Speaker 1: because they wanted they wanted to kill So that's true,
Speaker 1: huh kind of true. It was true. It's true. I
Speaker 1: don't I just don't believe in that, you know, unless
Speaker 1: this by all means necessary, right, I just don't believe
Speaker 1: that anybody should die.
Speaker 2: But but that shows the power that you have by
Speaker 2: not flexing your power. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: that shows the smartness in who you are.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like like I mean, coming
Speaker 1: from the streets and coming from the hood, you know,
Speaker 1: and and experienced the hustling life. And I've seen people,
Speaker 1: I've been in shootouts, and that's not nothing to play with,
Speaker 1: especially when you see your friend take a bullet, right.
Speaker 1: I see my friend take a bullet right, and I
Speaker 1: rode with uh, the guy who actually battled Biggie the
Speaker 1: skinny kid. I heard you. I heard you say that before.
Speaker 1: He the one who brought me to the game. Wow.
Speaker 1: We was hustling for some big timers until we had
Speaker 1: our own, and then they kicked me off the street.
Speaker 1: I protected you different blocks. I mean, they kicked me
Speaker 1: off Shaw for all the right reasons though, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was because they knew, Yo, he gonna be something.
Speaker 1: I got that in my notes the shack crew. So
Speaker 1: let's get on with the gate man. I don't think
Speaker 1: that exists today though, that kicking off for the right reason.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's happening anymore. Unfortunately, you know. You know,
Speaker 1: when I heard your story, probably the last person I've
Speaker 1: heard was in my hood, Kenny Anderson, Like the drug
Speaker 1: dealers just protected him.
Speaker 2: The drug dealers knew that he was gonna go, and
Speaker 2: they took him right off the streets.
Speaker 1: And was just like, yo, I don't think he could
Speaker 1: he was Kenny. I'm sorry if I'm blowing this up,
Speaker 1: but I don't even think he was allowed outside. Not
Speaker 1: in a bad way, but in a way it was like, yo,
Speaker 1: we see, we see you have a better life ahead
Speaker 1: of you, so we're gonna protect that. And like Alan
Speaker 1: Iverson was in that here, but that was because he
Speaker 1: used to play ball for my celebrity team. I believe
Speaker 1: they protected him the same way, you know. And and
Speaker 1: he had some real people around him. What what news
Speaker 1: in Norfolk. Everybody was behind him, you know, even myself,
Speaker 1: you know, we It's like he was the guy coming
Speaker 1: out of Virginia. It's like everybody was being birth out
Speaker 1: of Virginia, you know. And I was there to really experience,
Speaker 1: witness and be a part of, you know, architecting that.
Speaker 1: So let's let's getting back to the game.
Speaker 2: You ready, this is by the way, this is the
Speaker 2: Dominican guy and the Columbian guy over there, just we
Speaker 2: just noise over there that we just assume they do cocaine.
Speaker 2: We don't know for We don't know for like a fact,
Speaker 2: but we think we assume it.
Speaker 1: Okay, for real or Timberland the same question. Yesterday I
Speaker 1: did a good job, didn't I practice? Now? Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: definitely gonna give y'all my stories on both fleets, stories
Speaker 1: on both Okay, Okay, Nah, I'm gonna plead the fifth Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: waiting you too? Money? Yeah, I don't even got one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why. Because they both are dangerous. Yes,
Speaker 1: they are not to be played with, still today, still
Speaker 1: to the day. And I I feel like with both
Speaker 1: of them, you can hear record it is and not
Speaker 1: know as there like me, you can hear a record
Speaker 1: of mine and not his mine. And those people you
Speaker 1: do not play with. It's like you you can't just say,
Speaker 1: oh you can you know, stand tall with these guys.
Speaker 1: They still doing it. They're I love it. I don't
Speaker 1: see why I would put them against each other, because
Speaker 1: we all came up together. You know, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: We went to the same church. That's crazy, now, that's
Speaker 1: that's pasta was h for else, cousin he passed away.
Speaker 1: He passed away. But yeah, but in Virginia, so you
Speaker 1: for all and Timberland went to the same church. I
Speaker 1: wonder what this drew was like. Oh no, I donated.
Speaker 1: I donated equipment to the church, the equipment, the sound system.
Speaker 1: I donated to the church. In fact, because I have
Speaker 1: my studio before everybody, the pastor Webbin thorough Good, Bishop
Speaker 1: thorough Good used to do all of his sermon tapes
Speaker 1: at my studio. I mean, let's make some noise. So okay,
Speaker 1: you want to you need this one Black street or
Speaker 1: guy said that none of them no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I ain't cleating the fifth No no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: know dances me. You still got to drop it. Why
Speaker 1: because you basically said both of them. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: drinks me? Why say me? Because developing both groups and
Speaker 1: being a part part of both groups, and then you know,
Speaker 1: stepping out of it because you've done it for so
Speaker 1: long and realize that you know, in your relationship right,
Speaker 1: and you realized why you left her damn when you
Speaker 1: got back with her, Oh ship damn. I knew why
Speaker 1: I left her alone. It's the same situation. Well, guy
Speaker 1: or black Street, that's on you because you know I've
Speaker 1: seen you say that these guys don't like you, right,
Speaker 1: that's true. It's I know they ain't got love, they
Speaker 1: don't never had love. Wait what talking about? I'm sorry
Speaker 1: what never had love? And I'll tell you why love?
Speaker 1: It's an action, okay for me? You guys, show me
Speaker 1: because I'm showing you I major your first big money
Speaker 1: you have ever made your whole entire life. And if
Speaker 1: I don't get the love from that and then give you,
Speaker 1: I gift you publishing because you ain't like nothing, Wow,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna go and bite my back out.
Speaker 1: That's how I say what I say. You know that's
Speaker 1: not street ordinance street ordinances. And then you want to
Speaker 1: you want to go solo. I had your publishing, I
Speaker 1: had everything. I'll give it back to you. Who would
Speaker 1: you do if someone gave you a whole life that
Speaker 1: appreciate that? No appreciation, That's what I meant. There's no
Speaker 1: appreciation and you're still being able to eat. I can
Speaker 1: stop it. I would never do that, right, but I'm
Speaker 1: kind of thinking about it. It's a thought. You know why,
Speaker 1: because if you're going to continue stopping what I would
Speaker 1: like to do with my music, with your two or
Speaker 1: three percent on the publisher side, you know, two or
Speaker 1: three percent can stop you, they can block you. But
Speaker 1: we're about to change that. It's a new legislations that's
Speaker 1: about to drop where if you ain't got a substantial
Speaker 1: amount of publishing, you get your little percentage because the
Speaker 1: people with this substantial amount are the ones that control
Speaker 1: the copyrights. Nothing you can do about it, and that's
Speaker 1: being it's going in the legislations. So now that I
Speaker 1: owe my publisher, right, I just got it. You just
Speaker 1: got it, just got it? How many just got it that?
Speaker 1: You know? How twenty three? Really? Because it's thirty five
Speaker 1: years and then they're doing the captions. We did the
Speaker 1: first I think three hundred something songs, and now it's
Speaker 1: the next three hundred something songs, and then it's gonna
Speaker 1: keep going. I have a thousand songs. And yeah, did
Speaker 1: you say four thousand songs? I'm sorry, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I said over one thousands, oh one thousand songs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Holy moly, I don't even know how that works. I
Speaker 1: I think I was the producer like Tupac. Tupac made
Speaker 1: a song every day, you know what I'm saying, If
Speaker 1: not more, I did like four or five. You know,
Speaker 1: I was just making records for any and everybody. As
Speaker 1: I said before, I was just one of my music
Speaker 1: out there and I had to make a lot of it.
Speaker 1: So one gonna go, right, but not knowing that, you
Speaker 1: know a lot of them would go. So yeah, let's
Speaker 1: keep it going, let's keep coming going. You just I'm
Speaker 1: just so happy. I'm sorry paid him full or Juice
Speaker 1: Movies paid in full. Mm hmm, I get it. I
Speaker 1: mean why because somehow I'm like, I'm in there, you're close. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you ride around the corner from there. I lived right
Speaker 1: around the corner from with everything, and they used to
Speaker 1: come up to the rooftop, you know, and we all
Speaker 1: used to just we we're the ones like we would chart,
Speaker 1: but we would do a bunch of stuff together. It's
Speaker 1: just they wouldn't let me. They wouldn't let me hustle.
Speaker 1: We do anything together, but you know, have fun. I
Speaker 1: never had to pay for anything with them. Well, they
Speaker 1: did right by you. Absolutely Next one, okay, analog or
Speaker 1: digital of course, you know it Analog all day. Analog
Speaker 1: you're gonna say anahog And why I'll tell you on
Speaker 1: the technical side. Why analog is uh, how you would say?
Speaker 1: It's the warmth, the warmth, the warmth, Yes of music.
Speaker 1: Now we can go even deeper. I would love for
Speaker 1: it to go back to analog and uh, four three
Speaker 1: to two frequency wave. Do y'all know about that? Now
Speaker 1: you go, yeah, I don't know what. Four three to
Speaker 1: two is the way we should be listening to music.
Speaker 1: So when you hear four three to two records, it
Speaker 1: will make you relax. This music doesn't make us relax.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we catch headaches and we're not supposed to four
Speaker 1: three to two. You listen to a Beatles song, it's
Speaker 1: four three two, Or go back to a Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: the Jackson five song, like ABC, it was a four
Speaker 1: to three to two instead of four to four one.
Speaker 1: Four four one is the frequency that makes us, you know, laugh, cry, fight,
Speaker 1: catch headache, the press. Right, it's all the things it
Speaker 1: does to you. We shouldn't be having. Well, four three
Speaker 1: to two when you listen to it's like we're in
Speaker 1: tune for that. We're in tune. We're in tune for
Speaker 1: four three two makes sense. I always like to mention
Speaker 1: DJ Quick had said something about, yeah, that's the analog
Speaker 1: we speak four three too, absorbing the energy also in
Speaker 1: that studio in the room, and like it absorbs that
Speaker 1: And that's what I like analog.
Speaker 2: I like analog because if we had to work with
Speaker 2: each other, I would have to come to your studio.
Speaker 1: You would have to come to my studio. We have
Speaker 1: to bring an eight inch rail what was it called?
Speaker 2: And when you were listening, So I always say that,
Speaker 2: and I kind of like sound like the older dude
Speaker 2: in the room when I say that ship, because I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: the music sounds better because we had we we like,
Speaker 2: if we didn't like each other, you would hear that
Speaker 2: ship on the record like we were there, like all
Speaker 2: that music. When people say that it's the great Erawell
Speaker 2: Golden era, guess what that music was made with you
Speaker 2: and the producer in the room together, as opposed to
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: It's like, if I have to persist something to a soundtrack,
Speaker 1: you could just you could just you could send it
Speaker 1: to me. I'm me and you have never even met,
Speaker 1: and I'm laying the verse. You don't really co sign
Speaker 1: my verse. You gotta check, I gotta check, and we
Speaker 1: both just like fucking like it's like whatever, that wasn't
Speaker 1: like that, And I'm sorry to sound like the older
Speaker 1: guy in the room. Sorry, I know how back because
Speaker 1: we say back in my day and I don't mean it.
Speaker 1: I don't mean it like that. But what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to tell you is like when, but now we can
Speaker 1: look at the people that said that and understand why
Speaker 1: they said back in understand But these classic records that
Speaker 1: like listen, like again, we're looking at your disography and
Speaker 1: it just keeps going and I cannot see these records
Speaker 1: being produced without you in the room, with these people
Speaker 1: making it. You have you had to be like like
Speaker 1: I like and.
Speaker 2: Then I'm like, I'm like, you said something earlier and
Speaker 2: we're gonna get back to quick time of slant, but
Speaker 2: you said something earlier.
Speaker 1: It was like these guys don't have a.
Speaker 2: Sound, but they have a sound like so like you
Speaker 2: were just talking about Timbaland and Pharrell, right, and I
Speaker 2: relate that to like DJ Premier, like things like that, Jermi,
Speaker 2: you can you can you can say that's a sound
Speaker 2: for d J p May, but then DJ May would
Speaker 2: do something for Christina Aguilera and you'll be like, I
Speaker 2: don't see I don't hear him doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's like, so that's the same thing with you,
Speaker 2: like like you can work with anybody, Like is that
Speaker 2: something that you did deliberately?
Speaker 1: I was sort of like how Mike Tyson say, I
Speaker 1: will fight anybody. I would work with anybody. I work
Speaker 1: with Tom Jones. It's not unusual, well to be love.
Speaker 1: I worked with him. I work with Billy Ocean. I
Speaker 1: work with Bobby Brown. Bobby Brown, but that's not my
Speaker 1: personal that's not my alley. Yeah, but not a Billy Ocean,
Speaker 1: not a Jane Child, right, don't want to fall in
Speaker 1: love trying to turn to pop record, pop rock record
Speaker 1: black you know what I'm saying, Like it was nothing
Speaker 1: and she she's a white girl, she's Caucasian. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing about that record. The remix I was, I was,
Speaker 1: that was I was getting my money up because I
Speaker 1: was broke. That's when I left Jane. He took everything,
Speaker 1: like you know, like Kelly's manager, you know, when he
Speaker 1: took everything. I was stuck with twenty dollars in a
Speaker 1: platinum American Express that was given to me by one
Speaker 1: of the group members. I signed and I was joking
Speaker 1: that card and she gave me the card and she said,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need it. I ain't know what I was
Speaker 1: gonna need it for. And shit, I was stuck at
Speaker 1: the airport with twenty dollars and I called her. I said,
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna have to come stay with you
Speaker 1: until I can get back to get my family. She's like,
Speaker 1: you remember that car gave you that? She was joking
Speaker 1: it was a Platinum Americans under her name. No, it's
Speaker 1: in my name. I was how you say I was
Speaker 1: under her I'm saying it was her account, but her account.
Speaker 1: She gave me my own card. That's why you are
Speaker 1: going to need it. I said, why Whate'm I needed
Speaker 1: for it? She said, just put it, keep it, do
Speaker 1: not get rid of it. And I never got rid
Speaker 1: of that card. And I was at the airport trying
Speaker 1: to get a ticket with the GR production card that
Speaker 1: me and Jean. I had two GR cards GR cards
Speaker 1: and none of them worked. She was like, no, you
Speaker 1: got another form of payment. It's like, oh, so he
Speaker 1: knew what I was doing. I was up in New
Speaker 1: York releasing everybody from their contract. Guy today Tammy Lucas
Speaker 1: Big Blub his solo contract. Everybody he found out, and
Speaker 1: that's probably the reason why he was trying to put
Speaker 1: a contract out my life. So with that being said,
Speaker 1: that card, it's the only thing I had. And when
Speaker 1: the car went through, you know, I gave it to
Speaker 1: the catch the clerk. She took the car and she said,
Speaker 1: your first class seat. I said, how much is on
Speaker 1: this card? She said, what do you want on there?
Speaker 1: I said, what could you do? She said, you want
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand? I said, yeah, put a hundred thousand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead, keep the party going. Sad you
Speaker 1: a life saver. I see you when I come back
Speaker 1: to New York. And I used that card to get
Speaker 1: my family back and actually move into a place because
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, it's to pack for me, my
Speaker 1: daughter and my fiance at the time to move back
Speaker 1: into the projects. So we were there for a week
Speaker 1: and that's when I moved to Biggie's old place with
Speaker 1: the elevator that goes straight up to the bed. And
Speaker 1: heard about that. So back to who was Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I'm a little caught up right now that we were
Speaker 1: great smell juices, the berries you get the berries going everywhere.
Speaker 1: We're still quick time. So okay, okay, ready Rich Porter
Speaker 1: or as rich Porter, it should have been rich Porter.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what you should have said. And then I
Speaker 1: was still gave you the same result. But a Z
Speaker 1: and Rich Porter was like the guys A Z was
Speaker 1: really the ones like, yeah, we can't let him hustle
Speaker 1: with us. So yeah, you said you okay, all right,
Speaker 1: come only realized buddy Corn, come on back, Heavy Deer,
Speaker 1: Big Daddy came, come on, y'all, we got the shot.
Speaker 1: We gotta shot shot. You an't gotta take a shot.
Speaker 1: We take the chat. You don't have to. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm breaking a little little thing. Do we realize how
Speaker 1: dope Heavy d was though, like what like my best friend?
Speaker 1: But Big Daddy came, was like that's my guy, man. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: both both. I'm saying both, but you gotta say both again.
Speaker 1: We're gonna drive. You know, we see Chap pull up
Speaker 1: in the spread now we see ye, we know we
Speaker 1: know you driving here right here.
Speaker 2: Oh come back to my Yeah, and obviously you know Kaine,
Speaker 2: I'm not comparing them the both, but what I was
Speaker 2: saying it was like I just like again, I'm going
Speaker 2: back into hip hop and I'm going on listening back
Speaker 2: to the and when I'm listening to Heavy d I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, holy shit. You know how ahead of the time
Speaker 1: he was like holy In a lot of ways, He's like,
Speaker 1: let me say this heavy head in the old soul
Speaker 1: like I would do records for Heavy. I would play
Speaker 1: records for heavy and it will be for like Rex
Speaker 1: and Effect. Wow, And I don't know. He's so smooth man.
Speaker 1: The dude would persuade me, like you know that this
Speaker 1: song belongs to me? It was isn't good to you?
Speaker 1: What's heavy? He said, you gotta give me this. This
Speaker 1: was a Rex and Effect record. Gotta give me this tag.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, come on, you gotta do this. Man.
Speaker 1: I was like, heavy, Man, you're a bully. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I say, you know what, I'm promote you
Speaker 1: being a bully around people, because you really buy. He
Speaker 1: bullied me out of is it good to you? He
Speaker 1: bullied me out of we got our own thing. I
Speaker 1: was watching the fact record and now that we found love.
Speaker 1: And every time he came to my house or he
Speaker 1: came down to Virginia, he came to Virginia. He was
Speaker 1: trying to steal no Diggity. I played no diggity because
Speaker 1: I always played every is my best friend. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. He was trying to rap on and
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, could I get on it? At least?
Speaker 1: I was like, no, this one here, you cannot have.
Speaker 1: I'm keeping this one for myself. And he's like, all right, you,
Speaker 1: I got to tell Jimmy about this record. He was
Speaker 1: the one that convinced Jimmy this is the single because
Speaker 1: Jimmy wanted money can buy Me Love as a single.
Speaker 1: And I said, Jimmy, you sure you can't tell Jimmy, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is the single, Jimmy, unless you should Knight or somebody.
Speaker 1: I was just you know, I know, I shot him
Speaker 1: the humblest Jimmy play it for somebody so heavy, you know,
Speaker 1: usually stopped by Jimmy's And what put the icing on
Speaker 1: the cake? And we're going back to analog. What put
Speaker 1: the icing on the cake? Was Doctor Trey heard it.
Speaker 1: He said, listen Teddy Rolly's no record and Dre heard
Speaker 1: the joint and Drey was like, YO, tell ted when
Speaker 1: you do this record, I want to be in the video,
Speaker 1: saying when you do the record. He wants to be
Speaker 1: in a video, I said, Jimmy. I said, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is Jimmy.
Speaker 2: That's a great impression because I know everybody else didn't catch.
Speaker 1: It on so check it. I said, you tell Dre.
Speaker 1: Tell Dre. If he gave me sixteen, we could do
Speaker 1: this together, right, And that's how I got sixteen. And
Speaker 1: we did it analog. You know how they got it
Speaker 1: to me within twenty four hours ISD n oh oh
Speaker 1: the mail service, yes, okay, okay, So but you know
Speaker 1: how it worked. You know, actual headquarters was move No,
Speaker 1: it was in was it was again somewhere Innneapolis? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like one place. You shoot it to them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're playing it over the phone. You have to
Speaker 1: have the machine to the rack. You had to have that,
Speaker 1: and you that goes over the phone, plugged the phone
Speaker 1: through it and it plays it straight to them and
Speaker 1: then it goes to California or wherever you wanted to go.
Speaker 1: But they were the headquarters to get music sent at
Speaker 1: high quality better than digital. Wow. And this is back
Speaker 1: then nineteen ninety four when we worked on that song,
Speaker 1: and that's what convinced Jimmy and it became Jimmy's favorite song,
Speaker 1: God damn It and me and they we were together
Speaker 1: about a week and a half ago. You and Jimmy,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Andre with my phone, my phone, we want to
Speaker 1: see it. So, yeah, we were together doing Vinyl Night.
Speaker 1: You gotta do Vinyl Night with them? Okay? What is
Speaker 1: Vinyl Night? That they got the vinyl and they playing
Speaker 1: your records, all your records. So they had Paul McCartney
Speaker 1: playing all the Beatles records and it's crazy, just the
Speaker 1: high density, you know, it's like wow. So so we're
Speaker 1: sitting there and we're playing me and Dre is just
Speaker 1: joking about how and the story is consistent, like Jimmy
Speaker 1: talking about it, and it was like, yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: almost a documentary, you know what I really feel like
Speaker 1: if what was the documentary that they did was the
Speaker 1: chronicles with jim Jimmy, I V and Dre what it was.
Speaker 1: But I thought that Jimmy, because y'all know Jimmy was
Speaker 1: a producer, right, Okay, that's what the topic. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm sorry, what is the Defiant? I
Speaker 1: thought it should be more defiant ones and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: show y'all something. But let me show y'all us first,
Speaker 1: like right all night. It was amazing. I'll never I
Speaker 1: don't post our pictures like that's the stuff you keep sacred,
Speaker 1: you know, because you won't find like this is that
Speaker 1: was a billion dollars in the room. Billion dollars. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know you're very famous, you
Speaker 1: know you're very famous, you have to I'm almost almost
Speaker 1: almost okay.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a shop for that. Sorry that the
Speaker 2: people that was in the room there you go, God
Speaker 2: damn it. I feel poor already. That is that Larry Jackson,
Speaker 2: doctor Dre, you and Jimmy. I mean that is let
Speaker 2: me see, let me pass around the room.
Speaker 1: That is how you how do you say money? Never
Speaker 1: want to say money around the world. He might put
Speaker 1: his number in there. They may not believe it. You know,
Speaker 1: some people don't believe yo. I was, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think around. I'll show you trust everybody. But when that happened,
Speaker 1: I felt like Jimmy could actually do a series of
Speaker 1: the Fine Ones easily. That's a great idea. And I
Speaker 1: was going to break the idea to him while we
Speaker 1: was at the house, but we was just having so
Speaker 1: much fun doing the final that it was so it
Speaker 1: was so listen to him. It was so special, like
Speaker 1: I want to be. I was so tired of my music.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, play an l a read song, man,
Speaker 1: play play Dre song and it was like, no, tonight
Speaker 1: is your night, bro. I was like wow, And that
Speaker 1: was so special. Oh, you know, I felt amazed, you know,
Speaker 1: because I ain't talked to Jimmy in a while, because
Speaker 1: I kind of it's moving around. After losing my mom,
Speaker 1: I kind of went dormant. You know, you gotta go away,
Speaker 1: come back. I moved from Vegas, so I said, man,
Speaker 1: I felt like Vegas, you know, took my mother out
Speaker 1: of here. But you know, I just moved anyway. And
Speaker 1: I said, you know, let me go to Texas for
Speaker 1: a minute. Now I'm here, I'm like, let's buy a
Speaker 1: healthy baby, you know that that type of stuff I
Speaker 1: like to do. When I went to Virginia, I just
Speaker 1: set up shop and just move. But I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: when you got good friends, you got good people like that,
Speaker 1: you gotta really like those are the people that you keep.
Speaker 1: Those are the corners. I know, corners is it's not circles,
Speaker 1: it's corners. And I had to get rid of the circles.
Speaker 1: That's why you know, I'm not solo. I got a
Speaker 1: new team, but I just had to get away from
Speaker 1: the blessing blockers. You know, sometimes what's for you is
Speaker 1: from you, I said, blockers. I've never heard. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: What's for you for you? You know? And I've always
Speaker 1: I held I've been so patient to tell my truth,
Speaker 1: which is why I have the book now and you
Speaker 1: can see everything in there and all the people that
Speaker 1: I work with. One person that's not in there that
Speaker 1: you know, I felt. I wish he was, but because
Speaker 1: of the circumstances and I'm dealing with the corporate wall,
Speaker 1: they told me to pull it. And that's my brother Diddy,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I've never you know, witness or anything.
Speaker 1: I never experienced nothing, I know nothing. All I know
Speaker 1: is he was my in turn. And I only been
Speaker 1: to one event, which was when he got a star
Speaker 1: in Hollywood because it said Harlem to Hollywood. So I
Speaker 1: hope it's okay to talk about this. Of course, of
Speaker 1: course we we we we were the same way. We've
Speaker 1: never not witnessed that. Yeah, when they told me. It's
Speaker 1: just like, yo, this is very you know, it's disappointing,
Speaker 1: you know, but it is what it is, you know.
Speaker 1: But I have to say, man, it's it's a lot
Speaker 1: that we are not subject to. And we we go
Speaker 1: through stuff, and and I wish I could have caught
Speaker 1: it because I catch a lot, and I catch a
Speaker 1: lot of my brothers and my little brothers. But you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes the little brother feels like he's the big brother.
Speaker 1: Mm hm. You gotta let him become the big brother,
Speaker 1: you know. But I was, I was in there, I
Speaker 1: was out of there, in there, out of there. So
Speaker 1: let's do the game. Okay. I ain't so.
Speaker 2: Attracted off Keep Sweat or Christopher Williams.
Speaker 1: These guys come on with it. Who did Dominican in
Speaker 1: the Columbia? Okay? I understand. Okay, Well I have to
Speaker 1: say Keith Sweat. And why I say Keith Sweat because
Speaker 1: not because I work with it and not because of uh,
Speaker 1: we're brothers. I say Keith Sweat even if we wasn't brothers.
Speaker 1: Keith Sweat is a signature, right, Keith Sweat created a signature. See,
Speaker 1: it's a difference like when I created New Jack Swing.
Speaker 1: It's my signature. Christopher Williams. You know he didn't have
Speaker 1: a signature. He had a voice like Teddy Pendergrass or
Speaker 1: Colonel Abrams. You know that's that's not creating a signature.
Speaker 1: Nothing against him because he's a dope singer and he's
Speaker 1: my boy. It's my brother. But Keith, you know his records,
Speaker 1: you know that's him, and that's something you can't take
Speaker 1: away from a pressure, just like you know it's Bobby.
Speaker 1: I create signatures when I made them, saying they walked
Speaker 1: out of the studio. Both of them walked out of
Speaker 1: the studio on me. Bobby and I got into a
Speaker 1: little small argument. I don't argue. You don't let you argue.
Speaker 1: I don't argue. I just say, yo, we don't have
Speaker 1: to do this shit and keep it moving. And then
Speaker 1: he walked out. He's like, okay, eort he walked out, Bobby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did over the projects we did. I did. I
Speaker 1: did my progative on the twelfth track. Okay, it was
Speaker 1: like a mixtake and they couldn't create or reproduce the sound.
Speaker 1: So I had to take my twelfth track to the
Speaker 1: student video to keep the sound right. And I'm gonna stick.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, that's like I have to have
Speaker 1: the same sound. My ear was so keen to having
Speaker 1: the same sound. When I try to re record it
Speaker 1: at Access Studios and it's like, this don't sound like
Speaker 1: the house I need to create. I needed to crime me.
Speaker 1: So I bought that dog on, put that thing in
Speaker 1: the car. We took it down. We just dropped it.
Speaker 1: You know about writing cold and generating new Cold, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But I want to ask one thing. No, but we
Speaker 1: had to create new COLDE in order for me to
Speaker 1: sync my drum machine or anything up to the actual
Speaker 1: Akai to the twenty four track. Oh my god. Yes,
Speaker 1: when we did that, everything turned out perfect. Now it's
Speaker 1: time to sing. Okay. We got in the studio started,
Speaker 1: I had to track up and everything. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: let's go yeah boom doom from boom boom doom boom,
Speaker 1: Yeah boom boom boom boom boom. Get busy. Everything is good.
Speaker 1: Right now it's time to sing. They say I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: I really don't care. He was singing it not like
Speaker 1: the record. I said stop.
Speaker 2: Stop, okay, see he pre recorded it on the other track.
Speaker 2: You're saying, no, we were practicing okay. We never put
Speaker 2: the vocal down at the house. The music was down, okay.
Speaker 1: When we got to the studio, we we had this
Speaker 1: is like, okay, you're good, all right, let's take it
Speaker 1: to the studio. So we took it to the studio
Speaker 1: and he's singing it different. Next thing you know, I said, stop, bo,
Speaker 1: you ain't singing it like how you was doing it
Speaker 1: at the house. Man, I don't forget nothing, he said,
Speaker 1: who's talking to I told you. I was just like, yo,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying. He's like calling at me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just saying, man, you ain't singing and
Speaker 1: like how you did it at the house. Now come on, man,
Speaker 1: he said, you know who I am. I mean girl
Speaker 1: next door. I make hits. Just how you started flexing.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, we don't have to do this.
Speaker 1: He said, fuck it. Damn. He left the studio and
Speaker 1: then the air and all called me apologize. He was
Speaker 1: just like, yo, please don't leave the studio. I'm about
Speaker 1: to go home. I don't I don't have to do this.
Speaker 1: He said, man, just give me a chance. Let me
Speaker 1: call him, and they called him and said, yo, if
Speaker 1: you don't get your ass back in the studio. We
Speaker 1: gonna can your album. If you got records from Babyfacing
Speaker 1: La some icons and then this is an icon. He's
Speaker 1: just not a He's not a kid, right, He's an icon.
Speaker 1: Get back in the studio. He came back to the studio,
Speaker 1: and you know how we used we try to get
Speaker 1: the last word. It's like, all right, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: this shit and if it don't go my weight, if
Speaker 1: it don't go the way you say, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: it my way. I said, okay, he said all right,
Speaker 1: let's go. I said, let's go. He said, all right,
Speaker 1: let him get the last word. He got in that
Speaker 1: room and sung it all the way up to the
Speaker 1: second verse, and he stopped. He came in the room.
Speaker 1: He said, I want to I want to hear it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So he had the demo face like he didn't want
Speaker 1: to give no type of emotions or nothing. He's just
Speaker 1: at that moment he didn't like me. So I was like,
Speaker 1: let's play the record. They say I'm crazy. I really
Speaker 1: don't care. Got all the way to the second verse,
Speaker 1: he said, I am going back in the room. He
Speaker 1: went back in the room. Next thing, you know, my
Speaker 1: name was said. I said, yeah, no, nigga like it.
Speaker 1: Now I know he like it because my name wouldn't
Speaker 1: be in there. Twice we became best friends for that,
Speaker 1: he became brothers, you know. And and that's how being
Speaker 1: a producer is like being a shrink, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Being you know, you got to convince the
Speaker 1: person that the medicine is good, trust the process, and
Speaker 1: I know we all go to it for everybody we
Speaker 1: go through it. That is, I've never heard it broke.
Speaker 1: Our job is to make you better than you thought,
Speaker 1: you know, like you think you got all you and
Speaker 1: then you didn't realize that I didn't know. I can
Speaker 1: go even more. And that's what I did with Bobby.
Speaker 2: That's that's you know, that's my barogative could have possibly
Speaker 2: not been made had he not came back to that.
Speaker 1: But I feel that the way he probably approached the
Speaker 1: record after that added to the record because man, he
Speaker 1: sung that bridge. I had one take on the bridge.
Speaker 1: He ain't had to punch nothing or nothing. He was
Speaker 1: so hypper. When you feel good about a record, you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. You're gonna make that record fire. You're gonna
Speaker 1: do the best and that's what he did, Bobby. When
Speaker 1: he got something, he got it. He would you one take.
Speaker 1: Because he's a he's a performer, and what he does
Speaker 1: on the stage, he put it in the studio. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I love about him. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you another one take, guys. Johnny Kemp just got paid.
Speaker 1: Was never sung twice Friday. That dude killed that record. Now,
Speaker 1: Keith Sweat, he didn't walk out of the studio. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was just hard. It was hard for him because
Speaker 1: I was I was young. It was hard for him
Speaker 1: to take the advice from me, like you know, and
Speaker 1: I had to say, this is your sound, this is
Speaker 1: your signature. And then he finally got it after listening
Speaker 1: to you know himself singing all the way down. He
Speaker 1: got it, you know. And most singers are like that,
Speaker 1: you know, when you kind of guide them. That's our
Speaker 1: job is to give you guidance. And most people don't
Speaker 1: want guidance m hm, right, especially an artists and artists, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we have to tap into ego. That's the thing
Speaker 1: about artistry. You have to tap into your ego. And
Speaker 1: the ego is the one that exactly you ever noticed
Speaker 1: some of them artists after their first album, they become
Speaker 1: the producer. It's like, yeah, I'm producing everything. What happened
Speaker 1: to Timberlan? What happened for Well, that's who got you there.
Speaker 1: But most times, you know, you get these producers like that,
Speaker 1: and I mean these artists like that, and they want
Speaker 1: to now be the leader. You think they got it,
Speaker 1: find out that I should have listened. What's the next?
Speaker 1: Next one? Yeah, Mason can that's hard on Ship, Cameron
Speaker 1: or Mace. I gotta stay out of this one drinking.
Speaker 1: Let me get, let me get, let me get it.
Speaker 1: I pleaded the fifth drink, so we drink it. Yeah, yeah, Solu,
Speaker 1: next one. I know, people thinking, yo, he ain't drinking nothing,
Speaker 1: but I don't even know what he's drinking over there, moscatta. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like wine because it mellows me, you know, and
Speaker 1: I don't only do it sometimes. I waited. Last time
Speaker 1: I drunk wine was maybe well three four months ago.
Speaker 1: I'm not a drinker, so I decided, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be a party pool boy. You know,
Speaker 1: this would have been great with or without you drinking. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you know, like that wasn't but it mellows me.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll get in the studio and just you know, wife,
Speaker 1: he would be like, yo, you want to try some wine,
Speaker 1: And I'll be like, let's get it by time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: little face, Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis you better get
Speaker 1: I'm getting drinking. Look, I know, I know. I know
Speaker 1: where y'all getting to. Though, I know where y'all getting to.
Speaker 1: And with a little bit of soual water the same
Speaker 1: way you did. I like that. I got the vodka
Speaker 1: with a little bit of sal water. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. You know a little bit of balance. Let's
Speaker 1: go balance it balance. I don't a little bit ahead?
Speaker 1: You got more? He holding it down. I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: know now. I seen you tips before. I'll tell you good.
Speaker 1: You're good. What's your name? You want to get shy? Oh?
Speaker 1: Come on, but I gotta I got I'm not drinking
Speaker 1: no more. That's crazy, I have to say, even though
Speaker 1: these are my guys, but I'm gotta be you, Sonny.
Speaker 1: Look you see him. I'm gonna pick. I'm gonna pick one,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why I picked that one. I
Speaker 1: picked shy mm hmm. Yeah. I picked Shy because I
Speaker 1: just had a performance with them them some singing fools
Speaker 1: without no music. They are singing fools. And I realized that,
Speaker 1: you know, this sound to me was like up the
Speaker 1: alley of you know boys, demen takes. You know, that
Speaker 1: harmony was lush, you know, like I love harmonies like
Speaker 1: old school do old school dop, barbershop, you know vocals.
Speaker 1: So when I first heard the If I Ever Fall
Speaker 1: in Love Again Wild record, that record is that's a problem.
Speaker 1: But High five is a problem with Tony mm hmm.
Speaker 1: When he passed, it changed. But we put them back
Speaker 1: together and they are there. You when you hear the
Speaker 1: new High five record, you're gonna be amazed. But I
Speaker 1: have to give it to Shay right now because they're together,
Speaker 1: they rocking. Okay, this is this this I din't see
Speaker 1: your phone exactly what say new edition or Jackson five? See?
Speaker 1: So so what happened was your criteria is remember this
Speaker 1: is what I have to say to Jackson five, okay,
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't be there wouldn't be no new addition
Speaker 1: without the Jackson five and the Jackson five. When I
Speaker 1: work with the Jackson's and Michael, I work with them
Speaker 1: all and we did twenty three hundred Jackson Street and
Speaker 1: they were I'm sorry, you give me this doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: But their harmonies, their harmonies are amazing, and but just
Speaker 1: to be it's like going to like my first year
Speaker 1: of college working with the Jackson's and having everybody Theyah
Speaker 1: janet Re LaToya being in the presence of what's the
Speaker 1: props name? I got it? What was the name? Jo? Joe?
Speaker 1: Joe wasn't there. We didn't allow Joe to be. Michael
Speaker 1: was like, he's a meaning. That's Michael, Michael. He's a
Speaker 1: meaning to take his calls exactly like Michael would say that.
Speaker 1: I was like, why father, Yeah, he's a meaning. He's
Speaker 1: a meaning. I know what he wants. I know exactly
Speaker 1: what he wants. Michael used to correct bel. He'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: don't take that call. The only person can call me
Speaker 1: is mother Catherine. Holy shit, his mother. Oh no, I
Speaker 1: got to ask you. I just found this record today.
Speaker 1: I want to see if you know this record. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I've never seen this. I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: someone produced this. Have you ever seen this record? Yes,
Speaker 1: I've seen this record before one day and this is
Speaker 1: what are you thinking? It's Michael Jackson that really didn't
Speaker 1: go anywhere back in the days. But but yeah, I've
Speaker 1: never seen and I've seen that record before and I've
Speaker 1: heard that record, but it really never did anything. I'm
Speaker 1: reading the Dragon, I'm like, I've never heard none of
Speaker 1: these records. But what the is going on here? It
Speaker 1: was that he did on that was before Off the
Speaker 1: Wall Wow, right before it, I think right before it
Speaker 1: look at the you you got to cut it was
Speaker 1: it was yeah, Wow, before I did that. That's when
Speaker 1: they were testing his solo career, the Jackson five. Right
Speaker 1: after Jackson Jackson five. This is a secret Michael album
Speaker 1: and no one knows about it. I mean no, it
Speaker 1: was you know how how you say they didn't want
Speaker 1: people to know that record? Oh wow? You know, because
Speaker 1: when Off the Wall came. You know, it's like when
Speaker 1: you're trying to put out something really taking artists to
Speaker 1: the next level. It's almost like when when L. A.
Speaker 1: Reed put out Usher's album and he put out the
Speaker 1: wrong single and he pulled it back and then put
Speaker 1: out Confessions. The same thing with you remind me No, yeah,
Speaker 1: Rusher Usher, I think no, you would understand more like
Speaker 1: the first Mob Deep album versus the understand My damn
Speaker 1: understand that was really und it. That was on track.
Speaker 2: That's larious, but okay, I'm gonna keep it going, like
Speaker 2: all right, ooh, this is a good one. Nineties or
Speaker 2: two thousands, R and B nineties, nineties right nineties babies made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was more baby making and music with substance.
Speaker 1: You got music with substance, like two thousands started getting
Speaker 1: into the plastic and the music that wasn't didn't have
Speaker 1: the stay in power. You can hear record in two
Speaker 1: thousand today you'd be like, damn, I forgot about that record.
Speaker 1: What you hear record in the nineties, it's like, yo,
Speaker 1: put that joint back on. That's the final And.
Speaker 2: It's kind of timeless because if a person didn't hear
Speaker 2: that record, they'll listen to that thing and that it's Yeah.
Speaker 1: Most music in two thousand was black and white, right.
Speaker 1: The music back in the nineties was colorful. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: it had different colors to it. Like I agree with that,
Speaker 1: Like when when when Guy came out, it made it
Speaker 1: cool for dudes to wear gators again and put on colors,
Speaker 1: and you know, you wasn't being scrutinized when boys and
Speaker 1: men did those records. You know you felt great, you know,
Speaker 1: going to the club with your girl. These are records
Speaker 1: that stood the test of time and still bumping right now. Yep,
Speaker 1: even one twelve Features and Cream. You know, you remember
Speaker 1: the name of the song in the nineties. You don't
Speaker 1: remember what song you remember in two thousand besides you
Speaker 1: know me mean anybody? Yeah, huh what was that? That
Speaker 1: was ninety nine? Yeah, that was ninety nine that he
Speaker 1: just made it. So, Okay, there's a good one. S
Speaker 1: w V or Escape. Nothing against Escape, and not because
Speaker 1: I work with s WV. But I'm gonna please the fifth. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're drinking. I'm we're gonna drink. I'm drinking my wine
Speaker 1: over here. I had wine over here and wine over here.
Speaker 1: It was like this is this is this? Can I
Speaker 1: think this next one? Go ahead? Okay?
Speaker 2: Lauren Hill or Eric Abadu mm hmm, Lauryn Hill, Ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, that was very easy for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was because lawn Hill had They both have signatures.
Speaker 1: They both have signatures. I just think that lawn Hill
Speaker 1: had the big records. You know, she she had the
Speaker 1: records that made you it's like wow. And then she
Speaker 1: had the bounce records you know, no, no, yeah, she
Speaker 1: had those records, even though Erica Badu had the pumping records.
Speaker 1: But for me, I felt like she didn't have like
Speaker 1: like you could take h Lawn Hill to the clubs,
Speaker 1: to the picnic and to the wedding. Thank you Wait
Speaker 1: do you say that again? I'm sorry. You can take
Speaker 1: Lauryn Hill to the club, to the picnic and the wedding,
Speaker 1: right and the wedding, the wedding, Okay, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you could take Eric about dude there too,
Speaker 2: and you can take out of the bedroom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the instance in the incense. Yeah, let's be boy.
Speaker 1: She got her. Yeah, we love you can. We had
Speaker 1: her on. We looked. She blew it down. Man, she
Speaker 1: made it so all of us. She made you. We
Speaker 1: smell like good like yes, yes, and we've been by
Speaker 1: out ever since. But yes we've been. We were so yeah,
Speaker 1: so big up to Eric and Lauren Hill. Yeah, Lauren here.
Speaker 2: We definitely want to give Lauren Hill her flowers as
Speaker 2: so big them both up.
Speaker 1: Then. I think that was a great comparison. You want
Speaker 1: to go to the next one. Now this was you,
Speaker 1: This is actually okay, all right, hold on, let me
Speaker 1: look at it. Okay, all right, this relates to you too. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, that's just it's very true. I'm like one
Speaker 1: of the first people to work with both of Tammy
Speaker 1: Lucas or Kalise Wow. It would be Kalise Wow, you know,
Speaker 1: because she had Caalise is an artist. Tammy was the writer,
Speaker 1: that's what, and she had the background vocals of life.
Speaker 1: Caalise was just the artist and you know, she wrote
Speaker 1: some of us stuff. I don't know how much of
Speaker 1: it m but I felt like it would be Kalise
Speaker 1: because she was out there more. Tammy was the hidden
Speaker 1: jewel and still is like I don't notice, she doesn't
Speaker 1: notice to this day. Uh. We wanted to get her
Speaker 1: for my video. We couldn't find her like I'm Tammy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we couldn't find her Like I mean, I was
Speaker 2: in our e I was probably just thinking about I
Speaker 2: was just coming up. It's my first hit, it's my
Speaker 2: first global hit. So I was probably like, couldn't get up,
Speaker 2: and it was just like we can't reach her, and
Speaker 2: then I just like probably get going. But it was
Speaker 2: always like something and what I heard is that she
Speaker 2: wanted to be a background.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she wanted to be in one front. Well, she
Speaker 1: did have a That's how Tammy Lucas and I met
Speaker 1: actually reached out to her because I loved her record.
Speaker 1: Her first single was like it was a club banger.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. And then we just started making records and
Speaker 1: you know, Tammy wrote Goodbye Love. Wow. I did not
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, yeah, she wrote Goodbye Love. She wrote
Speaker 1: Joy for Michael Jackson and then we wound up giving
Speaker 1: it to h to uh Black Street. She also wrote
Speaker 1: Tonight's to Night for Black Streets. Tammy's is sick. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're talking about on the writing level, I would
Speaker 1: pick Timmy. Yeah, okay, this is so dope or follow MC.
Speaker 1: We're preparing, we're not trying to drink. But it's because
Speaker 1: you know, he's one of the one of the most
Speaker 1: educated rappers. You know, this is one comod got his
Speaker 1: master his degree. Like d is a book smart, Like
Speaker 1: he can tell you any and everything about anything. And
Speaker 1: that's why I worked with him because it was nothing
Speaker 1: that like he never said things. Twice I was he's
Speaker 1: real m C. We need over here. So him and
Speaker 1: Chuck Rock, yeah and Father Rock. I spoke to him
Speaker 1: for like two seconds. He's a party guy, don't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say he's educated like rapper right right? He brought
Speaker 1: you to the rolls skating wing, to the club, you know,
Speaker 1: to the picnic you know, but would bring you there.
Speaker 1: He was spending, was trying to spend, bring you to
Speaker 1: the hip hop parties and make you believe everything he said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Aaron Harror, Timmy Gatling, that was awkward. Was it supposed
Speaker 1: to be Aaron Hall? R Kelly? Yeah, that's but it
Speaker 1: was supposed to be that these guys, right, it will
Speaker 1: be Aaron Hall. Yeah. Timmy Gatlin was a great writer,
Speaker 1: it still is. But Timmy wasn't like a singer to me.
Speaker 1: Timmy was like like me, you know, get in where
Speaker 1: you fit in, right and get out because when it
Speaker 1: comes to blowing, Arra Hall was singing the lights off
Speaker 1: back then.
Speaker 2: Okay, but let me ask you now, let me switch
Speaker 2: the conversation. Made the conversations Aaron Hall or Kelly? What
Speaker 2: do you think Kelly?
Speaker 1: All day? Kelly? It would be all Kelly because Kelly,
Speaker 1: first of all, you messing with a signature or Kelly
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like Arma Hall. Everybody keeps saying it and
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you the will. He never sounded
Speaker 1: like R Kelly, didn't sound like anybody. Yeah, he sounded
Speaker 1: like himself. He had one of the smoothest voices that
Speaker 1: will put you in the ring, the like Donnie Hathaway.
Speaker 1: That was his Like R Kelly created his signature like
Speaker 1: Donny Hathaway logic or pro tools logic. Do you know
Speaker 1: I'm the first logic user? Real? Yeah, very first. I
Speaker 1: used logic on our Tari Comodore. I did remember the time.
Speaker 1: On our Tari Comodore. It wasn't called logic. It was
Speaker 1: called notator, and then it went from notator to notator logic,
Speaker 1: and then they just took the notata out and called
Speaker 1: it logic. When it went to Macintosh. Before Apple, it
Speaker 1: was called Macintosh crazy. So you know that computer. All
Speaker 1: you've seen was this when you play tetric song and
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson joked, my damn computer. He made me buy
Speaker 1: multi He's like, is this saying does it work? What
Speaker 1: is no? First of all, what do you say? What
Speaker 1: is that? Because I had it on the laptop, He's like,
Speaker 1: what is that? I was like, that's when I make
Speaker 1: my music, he said, He said, I mean, is it good,
Speaker 1: Like how long you had it? Like I had it
Speaker 1: for some time now, you know. He said where should
Speaker 1: you buy it? Like? I bought it. My guys you know,
Speaker 1: cooked me up with it and I bought it. Can
Speaker 1: you buy more? Like I think we need more? I
Speaker 1: truly think so so that we'll never go down down
Speaker 1: just like this? Can you mean? Michael? He's like, normal,
Speaker 1: can you take take the model number and buy more,
Speaker 1: you know, in case so we never go down. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know it is in the book where can I
Speaker 1: asked you? Did you just say Atari Atari? Commodore computer
Speaker 1: had their computer, they had had their own and logic
Speaker 1: was on there. Yeah, yeah, before everybody that's triple computer ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, definitely. It's like one point. Oh so the
Speaker 1: visual version before that, I think you hitting the block.
Speaker 1: I used to play that on my downtime kids. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, before analogue. It's like there was no sound
Speaker 1: coming out of it. You know. That was just the MIDI.
Speaker 1: That's why I was called Notata because it's just MIDI.
Speaker 1: And then I would use to MP. That's when I
Speaker 1: had MPs. I used to MP. It would basically I'll
Speaker 1: played my drum machine all of that stuff through it,
Speaker 1: and all my keyboards would be MIDTI. And I have
Speaker 1: a lot of producers would know this. It's called eat magic.
Speaker 1: It was the medi and I midty all my keyboards
Speaker 1: to the computer, which is basically MIDI is like sinking
Speaker 1: all the differ stuff together. But I'm also the first
Speaker 1: on pro tools as well. Oh shit, you know why? Well,
Speaker 1: for pro toos there was sound Tools, and sound Tools
Speaker 1: was only two tracks, and then it graduated to four tracks.
Speaker 1: And then that's when digit Design made it. You know,
Speaker 1: I was the first indorser. I was on I don't
Speaker 1: know if anybody ever seen the eight eight eights. That
Speaker 1: was the first interface, the very first, and uh I
Speaker 1: had an endorsement. I was the first endorsement with them. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but between the two, I like Logic because Logic
Speaker 1: you can have custom key commands. Choose no custom key commands,
Speaker 1: so you gotta it's almost like slavery. You have to
Speaker 1: use their key commands. You have to do it their way,
Speaker 1: you know. I couldn't when when Logic had the custom
Speaker 1: key commands, I was like freedom, All right, clips are outcasts. God,
Speaker 1: let's start drinking drink. I'll drink to that one, let
Speaker 1: me say yes, congratulations to the nephews and yeah, but
Speaker 1: I have to say both of them problems. They they're amazing.
Speaker 2: I text push your tea and I text for real, uh,
Speaker 2: although I'm not from Yeah, I felt I felt like
Speaker 2: they win was my win as well, Like when I
Speaker 2: got to see like for real win and then the
Speaker 2: Clips win at the same night and Clips being Clips,
Speaker 2: they didn't compromise, they didn't like, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, they didn't change. They was like, so
Speaker 1: I text person myself and I was just like.
Speaker 2: Yo, bro, I just want you to know that's my
Speaker 2: win too, Like I won that ship too, exactly, and
Speaker 2: I text for real the same ship, but in like
Speaker 2: in a different language because I didn't want to send
Speaker 2: them the same ext want to copy and paste, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. So but I look and that
Speaker 1: ship was like that, you know, I want to pick
Speaker 1: them up. I want to big hip.
Speaker 2: Hop up and like and then we actually think of
Speaker 2: that like now, like you know, uh, we had Virgil,
Speaker 2: you know, we had Yay and we got fucking you
Speaker 2: know for real as the fucking fucking LVMH. I haven't
Speaker 2: got my my friends and family package. It's okay, it's okay,
Speaker 2: it's we need okay, I want everything.
Speaker 1: I buy everything myself money as well. When you think
Speaker 1: about what hip hop.
Speaker 2: When you think about that Biggie line, do you think
Speaker 2: that hip hop was making this wall and that ship
Speaker 2: is crazy?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: That's huge. That's that's a signature. Like that's a slog.
Speaker 1: That should be a a dog on billboard. It should
Speaker 1: be billboards like that's just stage everywhere, everywhere everything that
Speaker 1: make it on hip What hip Hop's fiftieth birthday? That
Speaker 1: should have been on every billboard. Yes, nobody put it
Speaker 1: up there. True.
Speaker 2: Damn, that's real. That's real, that's real. I still got goosebump. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we got, we got ready time you got more? N
Speaker 2: PC sixty, that's p m PC sixty. Straight producer question.
Speaker 2: That's a straight producer question. Yeah, definitely, this was for
Speaker 2: you man. Okay question Wait, okay, wait, damn okay, it's
Speaker 2: a car question. A right BMW M three or the
Speaker 2: bens g.
Speaker 1: T coop GT coop gt coop. Yeah, okay. New Jack
Speaker 1: City or King of New York Jack One, New Jack
Speaker 1: City or King of New York Jack City. You're in
Speaker 1: New Jack City, New Jack City for sure, super producer.
Speaker 1: Question here Rolling V since or Yamaha motif? What do
Speaker 1: you know? I have about how many? Babe? I got
Speaker 1: about five or six Rolling V since they discontinued. So
Speaker 1: I buy them all every time I see when I
Speaker 1: buy it because it's my sound, right, the sound on
Speaker 1: that that's what you see me playing every on stage
Speaker 1: if y'all had one. Here, I was at the radio station.
Speaker 1: We did a Q and a book signing and and
Speaker 1: we were doing questions and I would play the records
Speaker 1: and they were like, so I played remember the time
Speaker 1: on it? Right? It was like it sounds like the record.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, this is, but that's when I did it.
Speaker 1: You re played it over for the play. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: that's fire, And right in front of everyone was like wow.
Speaker 1: They didn't understand, like, where's the music coming from in
Speaker 1: the mic? And I'm and it's coming out of the keyboard.
Speaker 1: It's like, so yeah, next time. However, every every beat
Speaker 1: that he mimicked, it sounds exactly like yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: a beat box when you did the records. You know,
Speaker 1: you know when you make these records. At least I
Speaker 1: know the music. A lot of my songs I don't
Speaker 1: because didn't Michael do that. Didn't He used to sound
Speaker 1: out records like melodies and stuff. Man. I remember We're
Speaker 1: in a room actually making a joint with a dog
Speaker 1: upright piano and him doing the beat box, and I
Speaker 1: was like, how am I gonna convince him? Like with
Speaker 1: a damn upright But he had imagination because he's like,
Speaker 1: no drum machines, no nothing. You take the piano and
Speaker 1: I have this idea. Check it out. It goes like this,
Speaker 1: you're telling me Michael had to beat box. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: He's be boxing that regularly. And I was like, what
Speaker 1: am I going to do to that? My mind went
Speaker 1: to James Brown. He was James Brown, so I went
Speaker 1: so put that she's just so and he's making this.
Speaker 1: We're making this on a dog on upright piano. It's
Speaker 1: like this dude's taking me through college right now, because
Speaker 1: I ain't never made no reight nothing, creating anything on
Speaker 1: an upright piano. You do that in church, you know.
Speaker 1: But that's the way he worked spoons and washed you know. Yo,
Speaker 1: he's straight from the old days. Like that's the way
Speaker 1: he makes music. Crazy. Look at we're almost done. Jugie
Speaker 1: Fresh or slick Rick. That's that's drinking. That's some drinking
Speaker 1: right now. He's like every D like every D make
Speaker 1: bully man. Yeah, y'all, y'all bullying me, man, that's a
Speaker 1: that's not a good one. Okay. So this is the
Speaker 1: last one. The thing about her which is not recogn
Speaker 1: slick Rick that you would like to say one. Those
Speaker 1: are my brothers man, and we started out, you know,
Speaker 1: back in high school. I can't put them against each other.
Speaker 1: That's like taking that's like putting you against and we
Speaker 1: don't want to do it exactly. Yeah I would. I'll
Speaker 1: be get it. Let's drink for them again. Yes, let's
Speaker 1: drink them the one more time.
Speaker 2: And all right, so this is the last one before
Speaker 2: we go back into the interview. I bet y'all know
Speaker 2: it is loyalty or respect.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, wow, No, I don't don't for because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take a shot just for leaving it right now. Now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got we got a celebration shot for him right there.
Speaker 1: That's all right enough, you're holding it down. He held
Speaker 1: it down, man, that's right. You are holding up the
Speaker 1: family name. There it is it is. I am going
Speaker 1: to I'm going to say, because I spoke about corners
Speaker 1: and circles, so I would choose I would choose them both. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so quick job. My reason for picking them both, yes,
Speaker 1: please please, we need a good release. You can't buy
Speaker 1: loyalty and you can't buy respect, both of our goal.
Speaker 1: There's no cost. I don't see why anybody picks one. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's for me and him come up with. Really the
Speaker 1: respect great for loyalty, but I think they go hand
Speaker 1: in hand. They do. They do, because if you don't
Speaker 1: have the loyalty and the respect, then you ain't got
Speaker 1: a corner yep right, just for somebody who's going to
Speaker 1: do this to you and didn't break out right yep right.
Speaker 1: You don't want people like that. I had to get
Speaker 1: rid of them. Well, I had to get away from them.
Speaker 1: You know. It was kind of when you start entering
Speaker 1: your fifties, you don't want no headaches or stress. You
Speaker 1: don't want know nothing, because when you're getting your sixties,
Speaker 1: you might as well hang it up because you stressed
Speaker 1: like you're just done and I'm not done yet, you know,
Speaker 1: just like we know you well said you can be
Speaker 1: eight or eighty, you can still keep going. You keep going,
Speaker 1: just keep the stress out. And that's what Quincy said
Speaker 1: before he passed. He said, you know, what's the one
Speaker 1: thing that if you had to do it all over again,
Speaker 1: that you would stay away from him? He said, you
Speaker 1: know the headaches to stress. You know, let no one
Speaker 1: stress you. It's difficult now, you know, let no one
Speaker 1: spoil your joy. And that's the that's the key to life.
Speaker 1: We're bombarded, bombarded with stress right now. Yes by this too,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's true. But our show is the freeivency.
Speaker 1: If the prophecy is is really we want to give
Speaker 1: your flowers. Man, We want you to know how much
Speaker 1: you mean to this game, how much like face to
Speaker 1: face man, the man you said it's better than the
Speaker 1: grand well on the wall. Let me I just tell you, man,
Speaker 1: like I A is like I know, I knew, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know how much you produced.
Speaker 2: I didn't know how much. I was like, holy ship,
Speaker 2: because I already knew it. But then when you're looking
Speaker 2: at them like there's no way, I'm like, I know
Speaker 2: everything about Teddy, but these other records are playing and
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait a minute. And that goes back to
Speaker 2: that that signature sound that's my gift that we yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you you but and I just want to
Speaker 2: tell you, face to face, man, the man like man
Speaker 2: like you. You you gave so much to our culture,
Speaker 2: you gave so much to us our people.
Speaker 1: You're still giving and you're still giving, and we appreciate you.
Speaker 1: We love you. We want you to know that your
Speaker 1: legacy is cemented in Stone. I appreciate it. Man. We
Speaker 1: were like, no, no, dead serious like you know actually,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take a shot for you. You don't
Speaker 1: drink that one joint. Okay, okay, I'm starting to hear slurs,
Speaker 1: but all of our But now let's talk about the book, because.
Speaker 2: Because I'll tell you this, I'll tell you this about
Speaker 2: about two. You're a very private guy. You're a very
Speaker 2: private guy.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, yes, indeed. I've been in the
Speaker 1: industry twenty years, damn there, and people.
Speaker 2: You're not a person that people talk about. What I
Speaker 2: mean by that is like the rumor section. You're not
Speaker 2: in the rumor section, and you're not.
Speaker 1: You stay out of you stay out of that.
Speaker 2: But then now you're dropping a book. Oh, the book
Speaker 2: is out the books, it's out right, So what makes
Speaker 2: you how do you navigate that, like, like, because you're
Speaker 2: a private I can tell you a private guy, right,
Speaker 2: how do you live a private.
Speaker 1: Life but then give a book to the world about
Speaker 1: your life? I just felt this time I had this
Speaker 1: book twelve years twelve years plus was thirteen okay, thirteen okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How open were you when you very you know, you
Speaker 1: definitely when you are reading everybody who read it, even
Speaker 1: now to like my kids, they were like, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff I did not know in a good
Speaker 1: way or a bad way. Good like you know, but
Speaker 1: some bad Like there was some bad things like to
Speaker 1: me seeing my life before me and stuff like that
Speaker 1: that you will read about. I never wanted wanted to
Speaker 1: tell those stories. And then I say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm getting older now, you know, and I must tell
Speaker 1: my truth. And someone said to me, you better tell
Speaker 1: your truth and tell your story before they tell it
Speaker 1: for someone else. Somebody will tell your story. And I say,
Speaker 1: you know, I got to beat that. You know, we're
Speaker 1: coming with the TV film and it's even more than this.
Speaker 1: We come in with the rooftop film. Is we come
Speaker 1: with a few things that I think people will want
Speaker 1: to see. This is an old map some things you
Speaker 1: read in here don't follow it, and some things you're
Speaker 1: reading here you'll be like, oh, this is how he
Speaker 1: did that. I'm going to try that. And it's a tool,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a tool, and at the same time
Speaker 1: it's a collector's item. Because it's my first book. My
Speaker 1: next book will probably be a children's book. That's fire
Speaker 1: and the reason why I want to make a children's
Speaker 1: book because I always had this imaginary friend when I
Speaker 1: was young, and my parents used to argue and fight,
Speaker 1: and I say, you know what, this is my way
Speaker 1: to get away from it. And my imaginary friend was
Speaker 1: the music Man. So I'm writing The Music Man. It
Speaker 1: tells you more about the music that inspired me, and
Speaker 1: the tree of music that inspired me to create, how
Speaker 1: I created and what made me do it, and the
Speaker 1: how tos. So this is not the how to, it's
Speaker 1: just a world map and what did he do? What
Speaker 1: did he use? You know, more technical aspect. But the
Speaker 1: children book, the children book will show them this is
Speaker 1: what you do. It's almost like reading the manual. But
Speaker 1: I got two more questions, and let me say, I
Speaker 1: got two more questions, So it's almost like reading the
Speaker 1: Manual of life. How to start music or how to
Speaker 1: start creation. So I think it would be something specially.
Speaker 1: It would be music behind it, lots of music. But
Speaker 1: I love that kids music. Okay, So I have two
Speaker 1: more questions before I go back and as as jay
Speaker 1: Z or Nas, why did you do that? Went back
Speaker 1: into the quick time it's slim? Yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is crazy. I went back into it. Oh, because well
Speaker 1: I'm gonna plead the fifth on that. So we got
Speaker 1: a drink now, Yeah, definitely felt like I wanted to
Speaker 1: drink anyway. Yeah, yeah, we know that. But okay, now
Speaker 1: let me tell you. Let me tell you out quick
Speaker 1: quick quick wick, no cat, no fun fact. Do you
Speaker 1: know when I was coming up in the studio. When
Speaker 1: I was coming up in the studio, I was at
Speaker 1: the studio called power Play, playing queens. Yes, that's exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: guess what I made my first record. So I don't
Speaker 1: know where you're going. My alumni at okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: damn you. My alumni with Nas Nas was and I
Speaker 1: were at the same studio. He was rapping and starting
Speaker 1: his you know he wanted to do. I was in
Speaker 1: the studio working with kids at work, and I was
Speaker 1: working with Fred mcfalland and Alan George who made somebody
Speaker 1: Else's Guy, and those guys were teaching me about how
Speaker 1: to produce. Yeah. Wow, So that was you know, I
Speaker 1: can't go against Naves now with jay Z. Jay Z,
Speaker 1: you know, used to come to Virginia and jay Z
Speaker 1: was the connection to you know, signing Beanie Cigu and
Speaker 1: all those guys. But they came down to the studio
Speaker 1: to work with me because I heard Virginia, Virginia. I've
Speaker 1: ever heard this story that day was supposed to be
Speaker 1: signed to you and sid y'all need to be with me,
Speaker 1: not money joking. I don't know how it really came out,
Speaker 1: but I would I felt like, right now, oh no,
Speaker 1: But I wasn't. I wasn't ready for them. My thing
Speaker 1: was I was I was more into the R and B.
Speaker 1: But my my guys and my family from Philly, they
Speaker 1: were like, yo, they need to be with you, and
Speaker 1: I kind of sort of wish I would have signed
Speaker 1: at least one of them, you know, I think it
Speaker 1: would have been which one? Which one? You you were
Speaker 1: Freeway Freeway, Well I can see that and the reason
Speaker 1: why because Freeway was more like, you know, to me,
Speaker 1: it's more like Rex in effect, like I could have
Speaker 1: done some crazy for him, but I was educated too.
Speaker 1: He was sick when it came to like yo stories
Speaker 1: and different things like you if.
Speaker 2: You're related to Rex and effects. I could see Beings
Speaker 2: and Freeway like that. Yeah as that group, because being
Speaker 2: was more more like yo, being kicks science. It was
Speaker 2: more like I love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love being, like I really like like yeah,
Speaker 1: so I ain't gonna What I'm trying to say is
Speaker 1: like what you what you're saying is like if I
Speaker 1: would have seen them together with that, oh, that would
Speaker 1: have been crazy, but that would have been another creation
Speaker 1: of like so you property, did you have the property?
Speaker 1: Or just that was just me. It was everyone was
Speaker 1: my brothers, the Bias brothers and guns young guns. Yeah
Speaker 1: so so so when they brought him down, they all
Speaker 1: used to come down just to hang with me. And
Speaker 1: you know when they told free and them, yo, y'all
Speaker 1: going to see Teddy ally it was like yo, they
Speaker 1: was excited about it. But when Jay was there, it
Speaker 1: was like we see the guy like Michael Jackson of rap.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like James did to see you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was we was working on you. Belong to the city. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm in there making the beat. So wait, this is
Speaker 1: happened at that same time. That's crazy. He's gonna be mocking.
Speaker 1: I ain't see not one paper with the deal. I
Speaker 1: was like, Sanna jane't write nothing. He didn't write nothing.
Speaker 1: Everything was just from his head, right, because that's the
Speaker 1: way he wrote. Right. I'm like, Wow, that's history. So
Speaker 1: I got I got to work with the Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: of rap Damn big up? Or should I say to
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra, Yeah, the Frank Sinatra Jackson. So if you
Speaker 1: want to put it, put in perspective, Frank Jackson, Frank Jackson.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's crazy. You call me Frank Jackson character.
Speaker 1: The only time I worked with jay Z I worked
Speaker 1: on the R. Kelly record. It's me R Kelly and
Speaker 1: me R Kelly, jay Z and Cameron. Wow, did I
Speaker 1: say this part of the interview? Man safe? It's real ship.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now I'm moving on. We write this book.
Speaker 2: This is the first time you're kind of like, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Everyone knows Teddy is a very
Speaker 2: protective person. He doesn't is there something in your mind
Speaker 2: that you say? Okay, I wrote this and now I
Speaker 2: have to like kind of like, you know, stand behind me.
Speaker 2: I have to kind of like stand behind it. I
Speaker 2: have to stand up.
Speaker 1: I stand by everything that's in this book here because
Speaker 1: it's literally, I would say, three and a half decades
Speaker 1: of my life, you know. And even like my son's mother,
Speaker 1: she said, you you owe this. This is the first book.
Speaker 1: I said, how you know I'm doing the second? She said,
Speaker 1: because you got you got a lot more than you
Speaker 1: need to talk about, Like you got a whole lot more.
Speaker 1: You know, you didn't even talk about what really happened
Speaker 1: in the business, what happened to you and different things.
Speaker 1: I said, it's not time for it. Do you think
Speaker 1: about the era? No, No, I'm talking about respect to her,
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about that's read part. You know things
Speaker 1: you just got a hold. You got volumes. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got a hold. But my next thing is creating the
Speaker 1: New Jack Swing Symphony Tour and performance. And it's a
Speaker 1: whole symphony for I already bought my tickets. Everybody in tuxedos,
Speaker 1: we come in here. We're gonna use the Miami Symphony Orchestra,
Speaker 1: and I want to share my music that way. That's dope.
Speaker 1: And I think it'll be so flying. Then I have
Speaker 1: the G two point oh, the Guy to point Oh
Speaker 1: album coming this summer, and yeah, coming back out the
Speaker 1: new Guy, the New Guy. Yeah literally yeah. But you
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish, I wish I could have invited
Speaker 1: to the concert. I would, I would have been there first.
Speaker 1: We ended it with Franky Beverley. We are one. That's
Speaker 1: the singers I got. And these these are these are
Speaker 1: new people. Yeah, these you you know them. You don't
Speaker 1: know the new Guy. Yeah, these are new people. But
Speaker 1: you remember. So I just took some all star singers,
Speaker 1: you know how r L and all of them, they
Speaker 1: just put like a super group together. I just took
Speaker 1: some all star singers and created the Woontange Klan of singers.
Speaker 1: I like that ship. You just got me and I
Speaker 1: got my Frankie Beverly voice. I have my R. Kelly voice,
Speaker 1: and I have my Charlie Wilson, and then I have
Speaker 1: my El DeBarge. So that's that matchup right there. That's
Speaker 1: a mashup. When you hear the voices, you be like,
Speaker 1: how did he do it? Like I did a show
Speaker 1: in Boston and Ronnie de Vogue was there. He called
Speaker 1: he called my guy. He said, how did Teddy do that?
Speaker 1: How did he duplicate the voices of Black Street Guy
Speaker 1: and the guys? He said, he's an architect we respect.
Speaker 1: So he said, yo, is he going to be Is
Speaker 1: he going to take that on tour? And I say, ye,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it on tour. I want to take
Speaker 1: it as my purpose. I didn't want to do the
Speaker 1: same thing Babyfaced. It was go on tour with the
Speaker 1: all star singers and people not know who they are.
Speaker 1: So I just that's why I say, got two point oh.
Speaker 1: Not taking anything away from Guy because guys original here,
Speaker 1: you know. But I wanted to stay consistent and I
Speaker 1: didn't the Black Street thing. I didn't want to do that.
Speaker 1: The guys are still doing what they're doing, but Aaron
Speaker 1: and Damien, you know, they're not on the road, and
Speaker 1: we have to be consistent. I'm tired of my music
Speaker 1: just sitting dormant and people are not being able to
Speaker 1: enjoy enjoy it on stage, you know, So now I'm
Speaker 1: giving them that. People are walking away happy. You know, Dad,
Speaker 1: this is a great show. I didn't expect that. We
Speaker 1: just did this Zoolu Ball twenty thousand people headline, and
Speaker 1: people were amazed, like they didn't know what to expect
Speaker 1: until we gave them the songs, and it sounds like
Speaker 1: the music. It's like that. At least he gave us
Speaker 1: the record. He gave us the album, he gave us
Speaker 1: the picnic, he gave us the club records. You know.
Speaker 1: So that's my goal is just to take it on
Speaker 1: the road. We have a tour coming up, we have
Speaker 1: over twenty five days and I just want to enjoy
Speaker 1: the stage again. That's fine.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you with that being said, right,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a solo artist and I'm part of
Speaker 2: a group of part of Pona Noriega, I'm part of
Speaker 2: Drinks Dream Champions is what we are doing. Are you
Speaker 2: more comfortable being solo? Are you more comfortable being in
Speaker 2: the group.
Speaker 1: I'm never solo. I'm not solo now. I'm a team player.
Speaker 1: I always have to come with a team me. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna if you see me solo. I'm doing like
Speaker 1: an E d M album with Talkbox and you know,
Speaker 1: Voke quarters and singing records that involved. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Music is like music is my put me on that.
Speaker 1: But but I want to make music that that people
Speaker 1: can really enjoy the music because most people like before
Speaker 1: hearing lyrics, people like to beat. So that's why I
Speaker 1: want to give them with the with the vol quoder
Speaker 1: talk box, just kind of taking you there and and
Speaker 1: and it's like it would be like ecstasy to them.
Speaker 1: You know, they just enjoying the music and just going hard.
Speaker 1: And I just want to be able to do with
Speaker 1: these DJs, be doing making like I was knowledge, just
Speaker 1: step in the room with a bunch of lights and
Speaker 1: ship and you're just playing. Boy. Boris he's a producer
Speaker 1: right here. Boris rolling the blunts over here. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like, is he DJing? He's like, because that's
Speaker 1: what they do. Now they got to go out and
Speaker 1: but I used to. I used to. But my thing
Speaker 1: is coming with the talk box. There's nobody coming like
Speaker 1: that since that punk, right and now that they retired,
Speaker 1: I said, yo, let me create something and just see
Speaker 1: what people feel about it. That's not the same as
Speaker 1: Roger Troutman was doing. Yeah, that's what I say. I
Speaker 1: was pasted that touch. You know. Roger actually came to
Speaker 1: my studio and one thing he said to me, he said, man,
Speaker 1: you better not stop. He invented that, right? No, No,
Speaker 1: who did in that? It was invented between I feel
Speaker 1: like it's between him, but I think it's Peter Frampton. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he played it with the guitar. Now Roger played
Speaker 1: with the guitar, but he also played with the people.
Speaker 1: It was the idea of using the tube, ye, right, okay,
Speaker 1: And that's what I do now. And I've got a
Speaker 1: lot of signature records out there where they know it's
Speaker 1: me because a lot of a lot of people were playing.
Speaker 1: They're playing the talk box, but you know it's it's
Speaker 1: not the sound that I have. Would you consider that analog?
Speaker 1: That's very analog? No, no, analog. I just lost my
Speaker 1: train of thought. No, that's not auto tune analog. It's before.
Speaker 1: You don't think it would No, No, I know it's before,
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, would you consider that? Could that be
Speaker 1: a description for it auto rather than I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: say that. That's disrespectful. Okay, I know it's straight the tube,
Speaker 1: it's the talk box, the auto tune. You know, I
Speaker 1: started with the auto tune before a Ta Pain and
Speaker 1: before Ridey Jerkins. You can look at my testimony when
Speaker 1: it first came out. They bought it to me to
Speaker 1: test beta tests, and I was like, I don't want that.
Speaker 1: I was like, but I used it because I felt
Speaker 1: like I didn't have to use it like how they're
Speaker 1: using it. I used it just to keep like it
Speaker 1: was just too auto tune, yes, like not too like
Speaker 1: like that, just but it was the same thing. It's
Speaker 1: just you just turn it up more and you got
Speaker 1: it sounds like machine in different ways. Yes, And you
Speaker 1: remember one of the records that you used to and
Speaker 1: I'll do the Black Street records. The second one. It
Speaker 1: was to keep the singers on key, not me, because
Speaker 1: I didn't my my thing wasn't really singing. I was
Speaker 1: just like rap saying, you know, so I didn't have
Speaker 1: to stay on key. I just no, Deity was not
Speaker 1: on key. I was off key. But people they received it,
Speaker 1: you know. I bought the point across and that made
Speaker 1: me just say, dak, I could do more because it's
Speaker 1: almost like Johnny Guitar Watson, it was real mother for
Speaker 1: you that wasn't on key. So I mothered myself after them.
Speaker 1: George Clinton definitely not definitely not on key, but no, no,
Speaker 1: all right, then you had, uh the Boskag. I mean
Speaker 1: it's not a bad thing. No, it's a great thing
Speaker 1: because yeah, Bosskag, you know what that is. You got
Speaker 1: to see that black boy over there running scared. This
Speaker 1: is on in the bottle. I thought that was on key, No,
Speaker 1: that was not he. I was in it out. I
Speaker 1: was in and out. You know. I think, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: go to t Pain. Incredible singing. Did y'all know that? Absolutely? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: so and incredible rapper as well. T Pain can sing
Speaker 1: off key and people will still receive it. Yep. He's
Speaker 1: just never tried it. M he's never tried it. But
Speaker 1: I guarantee you because he knows his notes. I know
Speaker 1: my notes. How I learned how to sing is because
Speaker 1: I play keys. So if you know what you're playing
Speaker 1: on here and I play by ear. If you got
Speaker 1: to ear for keys, you gotta ear for a voice.
Speaker 1: You just gotta have a voice. Oh you got to
Speaker 1: have a sound and you could play your voice. Is
Speaker 1: what happens in that mode, which gives you a lot
Speaker 1: of freedom in your voice, like to do things, trust
Speaker 1: be created. I felt like when I played when I
Speaker 1: played vot quarters. Now it's two different things. Voe quarterer.
Speaker 1: You can play chords, and that's how you hear, like
Speaker 1: all of the background on Black Street and on it,
Speaker 1: that's full quarter. All of those harmonies that's folk, that's
Speaker 1: full quarter. But the talkbox is single. But you can
Speaker 1: also played chords with the talkbox. Kind of feels a
Speaker 1: little distorted because it's a mono, but it's better to
Speaker 1: play it as a solo. You you get the sound
Speaker 1: out of it.
Speaker 2: So let me let me ask you, right, Because we
Speaker 2: had nas on hair and I asked nods. I said,
Speaker 2: is there anybody that ever told you no?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And I feel like you're You're a person that I
Speaker 2: don't think anyone can tell no to it.
Speaker 1: You're lying. I've been told no? Okay have you if
Speaker 1: you were like sure? Who who has told you no?
Speaker 1: I don't think no one can tell you? Who told
Speaker 1: me I'm gonna put on Front Street too? Should I
Speaker 1: take a shot? Versa shot? Shot? Mean? Yes, I think
Speaker 1: I'm smooth enough to say this, okay, go ahead. Barry
Speaker 1: Wise told me no, very Wise. But that's an executive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the people to tell you no. Oh my damn.
Speaker 1: Those are the people to tell you. Man. It's like
Speaker 1: you you disappointed, like I thought I had something. He said, no,
Speaker 1: the guy right, I wasn't ready I put them on
Speaker 1: Front Street. I wasn't just saying a lot of record
Speaker 1: company executives don't have the air, okay, I mean they
Speaker 1: just got the business sense. Has there ever been an
Speaker 1: artist who told you know, no, no, not that, not
Speaker 1: that I know, because I mean mostly just when they
Speaker 1: get in the room, like who would tell for well no,
Speaker 1: I kind of told him no one time. I remember,
Speaker 1: you did learn, but let's tell you off.
Speaker 2: But let me actually, so when I recognized that now,
Speaker 2: I said that Prince told him no because he didn't
Speaker 2: own his own publishing.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Has anybody ever said, because and you just you just
Speaker 2: you just said to us, out of twenty three years,
Speaker 2: you just now own your own publishing.
Speaker 1: Has there anybody that ever thirty five years? Thirty five years? Damn, damn,
Speaker 1: I put the twist of a version, you know, thirty
Speaker 1: five years. So that goes with publishing and with owning
Speaker 1: of the masters? Yeah, well yeah, I got I got
Speaker 1: seven other masters in my vault right now. Masters. And
Speaker 1: guess who gave it to me? It was actually at
Speaker 1: the studio, the first studio I did guy, I had
Speaker 1: about six to seven hundred twenty four tracks, and I
Speaker 1: have to give flowers to two people. And that's chub Rock,
Speaker 1: who gave me a lot of mine. Man ear, he
Speaker 1: gave me a lot of my plaques and stuff back
Speaker 1: and Salammy, Salam, bigger salam. He gave me my dog
Speaker 1: on masters, all seven hundred and something. I seen this stuff, man,
Speaker 1: I couldn't even get it in the I thought I
Speaker 1: could get a small story, she said. He said, no,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need cause your tapes was most of the studio. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on chub Rock and Salammy. No,
Speaker 1: this is that Chubb gave me like my plaques, So
Speaker 1: I gave your pla So I guess what he's trying
Speaker 1: to say is why are they holding them right? No?
Speaker 1: They well, you know, Slim bought the studio like he
Speaker 1: bought the studio that I did. The guy out bought
Speaker 1: the automatically the masters. No, they were there. It was
Speaker 1: just just trying to return them back to the original. Wow,
Speaker 1: and I was upstanding, so fuck you know, Slam said
Speaker 1: to me. He said, first of all, I got something
Speaker 1: special to tell you, but I also got this to
Speaker 1: tell you you remember the little boy that was actually
Speaker 1: in the studio while he was making Groove Me and
Speaker 1: I like and all of those records, and it was
Speaker 1: the little kid. And you remember my father used to
Speaker 1: bring me to the studio. I said, you was that
Speaker 1: little kid?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: That that that is the fuck? This slom with the
Speaker 1: little kid that was in the studio while I was
Speaker 1: making I like in all those records at seventeen, eighteen,
Speaker 1: nineteen years old, and now he became a super producer.
Speaker 1: Straight to that, trying to give you your flowers, Salon Reamy.
Speaker 1: He should be on here, no family, Yeah, he should
Speaker 1: be on here. You're right. He got so much man,
Speaker 1: so much history. Man, he's would be I just feel
Speaker 1: so honded to be a part of it, you know,
Speaker 1: because he goes back, Yeah, he go back. That is
Speaker 1: so dope. You want to read this question in case
Speaker 1: they sentenced person. I don't know. It seems like sonny,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You want me to read it? Just
Speaker 1: I just don't want it. I just feel like I
Speaker 1: feel like they they attacked me. You're not even gonna
Speaker 1: correct anything. Is it true that he did the winning
Speaker 1: Houston step by step record? Yeah? He did it. Yes,
Speaker 1: I did the remix because they couldn't read it. For
Speaker 1: some reason, it became the RCT it. Oh, it became
Speaker 1: the main record. You know. Of course people get say,
Speaker 1: you get a certain amount to do a song, and
Speaker 1: then you get certain amount to do a remix. They
Speaker 1: called the remix, so they have to pay.
Speaker 4: And they.
Speaker 1: That way, they wound up turning the record, the remix,
Speaker 1: the record. It's amazing, It's okay, it's okay, I take it.
Speaker 1: I don't like know these questions, worry. This is amazing
Speaker 1: as an artist. Ever made you cry in the studio? What? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: I made artists cry? Okay, let's do that. Let's follow up?
Speaker 1: And who did you make cry? Follow up? And say
Speaker 1: it in the Michael Jackson voice? Okay, scary spice, that's
Speaker 1: not the Michael jack the voices scary girls. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: what's happening? I didn't mean you. But when you kind
Speaker 1: of tell all this, you know you ain't singing it right?
Speaker 1: You guys sing you know what you say? She's like,
Speaker 1: can you give me a minute to cry? I was like, whoa?
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to say, you know, like she
Speaker 1: was the first and then the second second was a
Speaker 1: K pop artist. Her name was Tiffany Is Tiffany Tiffany
Speaker 1: from Yeah from Korea Girls Girls Generation. It was no, no,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I love Korea because I
Speaker 1: love them for that. And then do you know about
Speaker 1: the birthdays? Like their birthday is different than ours? Like
Speaker 1: the birthdays you won when you come up? I was like,
Speaker 1: what you won when you come out of the womb.
Speaker 1: That makes sense to me. I just told my son that.
Speaker 1: I said, Yo, you really chill. Yeah right, because when
Speaker 1: you came out, you was one right, I got to
Speaker 1: my whole family. No Korea and then another thing. So
Speaker 1: when they go to school, they go to school. They
Speaker 1: go to school from eight to eight, yeah, and they
Speaker 1: learn algebra, they learn everything, and then rocket science some
Speaker 1: of them. That's why they got so many K pop
Speaker 1: artists because most of them don't want to be in
Speaker 1: school all those hours, so they chose music. That's their career.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's the other curriculum is music, and that's
Speaker 1: how they became K pop artists. Because we don't want
Speaker 1: to go to school all day. Because some of them
Speaker 1: go to school all day and then it's mandatory. At nineteen,
Speaker 1: they got to go to the army mandatory. No, no,
Speaker 1: they don't take no fin answer, you don't go. You're
Speaker 1: going to jail American something. We ain't doing that ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the other man in the question. Okay, Little Kim
Speaker 1: and Foxy Brown? Damn you had a Foxy Brown record?
Speaker 1: That record is ill too, man, Thank you. I did
Speaker 1: that record for a dollar, you know why? But blackets
Speaker 1: on the record as well. Yeah, I mean no, I
Speaker 1: did it for a dollar, right, because my fee would
Speaker 1: have been you know, but I did it for a dollar.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I did it for a dollar
Speaker 1: slang like did it for a dollar? That? Like you
Speaker 1: mean like you really did it for a dollar? Dollar?
Speaker 1: One dollar? You got going on? Body? You got you speed?
Speaker 1: You did it for a dollar. I did not do.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure this out, so call I believe
Speaker 1: they didn't believe it theirselves. They were like, uh when
Speaker 1: they came down, they thought they get smoothed me with
Speaker 1: all of Louis vuittons. You remember they used to rustle
Speaker 1: and that's I said, uh, his wife, his ex wife,
Speaker 1: come on, come, so you know they would Louis buiton people.
Speaker 1: They give you with Louis Vuitton right, And my whole
Speaker 1: mindset wasn't about that. I thought about the trial called
Speaker 1: Quests the beef. The beef. Leo was in my studio.
Speaker 1: We had a beef. Forgot that well. It was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was trying. I was trying to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, let's win them over, give them the record
Speaker 1: for a dollar and a favor because jam, but it
Speaker 1: was death jam. So they came down and Russell was
Speaker 1: trying to you know, like, yeah, man, it was a joking.
Speaker 1: Everybody's joking, yell, and we hope you get him for like,
Speaker 1: I hope you don't charge us arm and the leg
Speaker 1: And they were so worried they never came to Virginia.
Speaker 1: When they came to Virginia and Russell, they sidebar with
Speaker 1: me and He's like, yo, so what you gonna hit
Speaker 1: us in the head for? That's what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: He said, I know your price? Man? I said, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? He said, how much for the record? Tee?
Speaker 1: I said, you won't believe what I'm going to charge you?
Speaker 1: He said, is he joking a way? He asked Lee
Speaker 1: or so? Leo's like, come on, man, He's tell us,
Speaker 1: what do you want for the record. I was like, okay, Russell,
Speaker 1: go in your pocket. You carry cash. He said, I
Speaker 1: don't carry a lot of cash. I said, pull out
Speaker 1: what you have in your pocket. He pulled out Somebodey
Speaker 1: and he happened to have a dollar and I said,
Speaker 1: spread it out like you in strip club. Spread it out,
Speaker 1: and I said, okay. He's like. They looked at each
Speaker 1: other like this nigga's joking. He said, you're joking right now.
Speaker 1: I was like, nah, it's not a joke. Just consider
Speaker 1: that a favor. Wow, I want my favor. So those two,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, anybody here, don't drink champ and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say every interview, y'all still owe me my favor. Jesus,
Speaker 1: I ain't cashing. I know you're all the way over
Speaker 1: in Bali. Yeah, I still want my favorite yo Leon.
Speaker 1: He called me. I was supposed to do it. I
Speaker 1: was supposed to do his party. I think he put
Speaker 1: everybody he had. Everybody under the jet was on it.
Speaker 1: I was called and he called me to be on
Speaker 1: the jet and I said, you know, I can't. I
Speaker 1: have a concert. I'm not able to make it. He said,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know said, I call you that
Speaker 1: I was like or something drunkards that's how you you
Speaker 1: and and and I said, you know, but catch me
Speaker 1: on the next one. I definitely come, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's amazing to just even hear from you. But I'm
Speaker 1: one say on that call. You know you still own
Speaker 1: my favor. But I'm gonna catch favorite now. But no,
Speaker 1: Leo is my guy. Yeah, I have to ask thank
Speaker 1: you for whole signing that. Yeah, wait what they co signed?
Speaker 1: He signed? He's O the favorite. He needs to get
Speaker 1: that favorite.
Speaker 2: Hold on what you got. You can let him on,
Speaker 2: you can let him out. Okay, thank you thanking my bad,
Speaker 2: my son, my son. And like he bullies me, he
Speaker 2: bullies me.
Speaker 1: We've been bullied all this whole this episode, this whole episode,
Speaker 1: we've been realizing that sh everybody is being bullied. What
Speaker 1: you said? What oh ship?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about your questions? Man, Okay, that's so well.
Speaker 2: His beef for baby Face his staffed and now now
Speaker 2: you're out of yourself you beef for baby Face. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, how do you and baby Face
Speaker 2: get beat? Why y'all putting us into beaf this?
Speaker 1: How this ship happened with Biggie you back black streating
Speaker 1: no guy and knowing this, everybody putting us in beefs
Speaker 1: we ain't in no beef. I just don't think that
Speaker 1: he would give me a shot for us to create
Speaker 1: versus on a stage like Monica and Brandy and Brandy
Speaker 1: and I'm telling them, put back on your boxing robe
Speaker 1: and how you came out on versus and let's do this, man,
Speaker 1: Let's get back in the ring. Let's take it to Africa.
Speaker 1: What's that, babyface? I want a firm Oh yeah, New York. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he put on a rope. You're you ain't You
Speaker 1: ain't see that? I was like, for real, Okay. I
Speaker 1: called Mike Tyson. Magically Johnson, I had everybody had the
Speaker 1: We had the first and then the fight happened, and
Speaker 1: then the Teddy Valley Internet. He never gave you my shot.
Speaker 1: De finished. We never got to finish. Do you know that?
Speaker 1: So why don't we finish? You want that smoke? Listen?
Speaker 1: I could see it in your eyes through your glasses.
Speaker 2: Listen, you are ready for real? And that was like before,
Speaker 2: like it won't It wasn't in the same room. Your
Speaker 2: internet was a little crazy.
Speaker 1: I remember that now. It really wasn't It was just
Speaker 1: the equipment I had and I g was just too
Speaker 1: a little behind. And technology. Yeah now we got it together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no we did. Yeah, I own my own internet. You
Speaker 1: want that remad.
Speaker 4: But but but but.
Speaker 1: Babyface is one of the most incredible writers in this
Speaker 1: whole entire world. That's it. I will never have a
Speaker 1: beef with him. I just think that we need to
Speaker 1: do this. The example is we had this idea first
Speaker 1: to put it on the stage. Yes, well I did,
Speaker 1: and it was my dream. And if had we did
Speaker 1: that because we were the only ones that never had
Speaker 1: verses like how we created it. When they went on
Speaker 1: the stage, that was our creation because that's what we
Speaker 1: did at the house. If I didn't do that, they
Speaker 1: would versus would have been still in the house. Am
Speaker 1: I right along? Nobody would have never known about doing
Speaker 1: verses on no dog on stage. It's like, oh, Man,
Speaker 1: Teddy did it. Now we should do this with everybody.
Speaker 1: They even let Beanie Man and them have dog on
Speaker 1: boomboxes bos. They got a little dangerous in the yard.
Speaker 1: Police came. I said, wait a minute, where we're going.
Speaker 1: So we're doing what I did It's almost like what
Speaker 1: I did with new Jack Swing and everybody. They got
Speaker 1: on it, and I'm happy about that. It's just a legacy.
Speaker 1: That's all of this. But babyface, if you give me
Speaker 1: that shot, we're gonna make the culture just go wow.
Speaker 1: They just brought back versus like Monica. We how we
Speaker 1: let them get it before us and then they keep it. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it one hundred. I brought it to
Speaker 1: some promoters and they didn't believe. They didn't believe we're
Speaker 1: the We were the biggest of all the verses, every
Speaker 1: last one. You could put a couple of them together
Speaker 1: and still wouldn't even meet ours. You could put a few,
Speaker 1: you could put more than five together, still didn't make ours.
Speaker 1: We had over eight billion instances. They didn't want to
Speaker 1: display that, but CNN told the truth. Yes, they're the
Speaker 1: ones who reported it was like, this is over eight
Speaker 1: billion instances. The reason why because ig didn't want us
Speaker 1: to beat Michelle Obama. She had a party the same
Speaker 1: day and guess who was detailed for the party. You
Speaker 1: damn right, and he left the party. So watchat come
Speaker 1: Mutch all the artists. Quaville called me and said, yo,
Speaker 1: you broke the rules. We can't even get back in
Speaker 1: the room. I said, we can't even get back in
Speaker 1: our own That's what breaking the Internet is. They didn't
Speaker 1: do it, and everybody afterwards it was like they didn't
Speaker 1: bring the hype. The hype was the Teddy Rally. Internet broke.
Speaker 1: He broke it, then then he broke it again. So
Speaker 1: I think he'd observed that shot and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: face before you know, he'd just say, yo, I don't
Speaker 1: I'm good, I don't want to do this again. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm retiring. This is the way to go out with
Speaker 1: a bang, because we bring the culture. He's got all
Speaker 1: those hits and I got some records and and it
Speaker 1: would be more than a three hours show. But we
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. We're just going to give you a
Speaker 1: piece of our love and keep yo, keep everybody just coming.
Speaker 1: I know what it would do, Monica, they're now they're
Speaker 1: the example. We were supposed to be the example, but
Speaker 1: they are the example. And you see how well that did.
Speaker 1: People want to see verses on the stage and on tour.
Speaker 1: So like say if Swiss and Timberland to a versus
Speaker 1: like tourt them on the stage because they started. They
Speaker 1: got to be the verse, would you say, like Monica
Speaker 1: and Brandy and be yourselves being themselves and put it
Speaker 1: on the stage, the same thing. I mean, already Gladys
Speaker 1: Knight and what's the name already doing it, tayg le Bell,
Speaker 1: they doing it, You're doing well. These things would do well.
Speaker 1: You just can't be afraid of it. And that's what
Speaker 1: I feel. And it's got to be well produced as well. Yes,
Speaker 1: I just think that if we do that, it will
Speaker 1: be off the chain. It will take the summer and
Speaker 1: the winter. We will the would be probably asking us
Speaker 1: to come Africa or something, and I thought we should
Speaker 1: started in like a place like Africa. I heard you
Speaker 1: say that earlier. It's like make it look like yo,
Speaker 1: this the rumbling the jungles, like we can go ahead
Speaker 1: and it won't be you go first, you go second.
Speaker 1: We just go back and fall flight. How celebration and
Speaker 1: Chris Brown did event we celebrating. Ain't no competition because
Speaker 1: I ain't competing against them. Not doing that. I will
Speaker 1: never compete with my brother. That was just strictly for
Speaker 1: the culture. And you know, we made it look like
Speaker 1: we we ain't backing down. I know he ain't backing
Speaker 1: now and I'm not backing down neither. Like you know,
Speaker 1: let's say it is it? So let me ask you
Speaker 1: right why in our culture? Right, it's just like we
Speaker 1: we we like people like us want to celebrate our legends.
Speaker 2: But and hip hop or and people say, all right, man,
Speaker 2: you know you're over the hill now, like and like
Speaker 2: like and like I think I think you said it earlier.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, keep working, like, let's keep working.
Speaker 2: But why in our culture there's no such thing as
Speaker 2: washed up? And exactly music, there's no such thing. These
Speaker 2: guys are nine hundred years old.
Speaker 1: Why is it? Why is it in our culture that
Speaker 1: is frowned upon? Because we are so critical in scrutinizing
Speaker 1: each other that we never give each other the love
Speaker 1: that we deserve. So that's why sometimes you got to
Speaker 1: just keep doing what you're doing so people can still
Speaker 1: receive you. And you know, don't let anybody turn you
Speaker 1: away or stare you away from being or striving to
Speaker 1: be great, because one day they will see that you
Speaker 1: got to show them your greatness in order for you
Speaker 1: to be accepted. You just got to show it. Don't
Speaker 1: talk about it. You know a lot of people talk
Speaker 1: about it and bring R and B back or I'm
Speaker 1: going to bring this back and never conquer. So you
Speaker 1: gotta now just do it and not talk about it.
Speaker 1: Just do it and and and and be strong about it.
Speaker 1: Just be determined. I'm determined to you know, be consistent
Speaker 1: because when you're consistent, that's the key. And you know,
Speaker 1: I haven't waited, like I've gotts thrown at me when
Speaker 1: I said, Yo, this is guy two point oh. But
Speaker 1: when people started hearing it, they started getting those dodgs back.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And that's what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: Like I really feel like you got another record in you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. No, seriously, I promise you
Speaker 1: if forell you and forel like how the clips come on?
Speaker 2: Look at the clipst I got a doctor dre b.
Speaker 2: I got three of them, Okay recently, yeah, a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: So so we got you. Give me a call, please please, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going going to make.
Speaker 2: Sure you're in the same city right now, like I'm
Speaker 2: coming to get to tellybody got.
Speaker 1: And you know, you know what for me is when
Speaker 1: you do the records out of love like we first started,
Speaker 1: we did this ship because we loved it exactly. It
Speaker 1: was it was the industry who made us hate it.
Speaker 2: But it's not the industrutiny, yes, and not only that,
Speaker 2: it's just like like like when you spoke about, you know,
Speaker 2: the career thing and all that, like like certain things,
Speaker 2: like certain people took advantage of it, like me, for
Speaker 2: for sure, I got took an advantage of.
Speaker 1: For me to come back and me to do it
Speaker 1: on my own terms will be like like like that
Speaker 1: that's would be what I love. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Thing you're supposed to do is you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: on your own tongue better yes, instead of being faster. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're never face and you're not a fALS. I mean,
Speaker 1: it would be so easy for you. I should some
Speaker 1: I got I'm already ready. Okay, you know what.
Speaker 2: Please love I would love because you know what me
Speaker 2: and my partner like, uh we said, me and e FN,
Speaker 2: we really started this show to give people like you
Speaker 2: your flowers, to give people like you your uh your credit,
Speaker 2: because it's truly that like like if it's not you
Speaker 2: like related like like like us being connected like you
Speaker 2: truly are one of the icons you are icon, You
Speaker 2: are a legend. You are a person that if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for you, the music wouldn't be what it is today.
Speaker 2: And I'm not afraid to tell you that to your face.
Speaker 2: That is like you push the needle. You are the
Speaker 2: the move what they call it, the move shaker. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you are person.
Speaker 1: You are that person. And I feel like our culture
Speaker 1: has to celebrate that. We have to appraise that. We
Speaker 1: have to let you know, you know, to your face,
Speaker 1: and if our kulture ain't gonna do it, we will.
Speaker 1: This is why I love doing this show because as
Speaker 1: the young fan of me comes back and meets the
Speaker 1: icons and the heroes. So this is an actual concette
Speaker 1: that I bought, right, look at that. That's crazy. And
Speaker 1: I used to love because I was an aspiring DJ.
Speaker 1: Couldn't afford turntables originally, right, So I loved all the
Speaker 1: singles because they had the instrumentals. Yeah, but I hated
Speaker 1: that they always came in the paper, So I used
Speaker 1: to cut them up and put them in the plastic
Speaker 1: so they would make so they would be protected. So
Speaker 1: now I'm bringing you this now, I mean, this is Droomshaker.
Speaker 1: He knows the year that is well, this record is.
Speaker 1: Listen to me, there's two records in hip hop that
Speaker 1: defined summers. Whether this came out and somebody, I can't
Speaker 1: tell you, but I'm telling you define for me summers.
Speaker 1: It's Dwick and Drumshaker because he jerked off to those videos,
Speaker 1: keep it real, relaxed at all. I'll tell you a fact.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy because for so long we we WASN'TSD
Speaker 1: we wasn't considered hip hop. I know that. But you
Speaker 1: know Miami, Miami guys, so that was it. Wait hold on,
Speaker 1: so y'all looked at them like to no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you understand. I'm a Miami top head. So I'm not
Speaker 1: looking at that divisive stuff that's going on somewhere else.
Speaker 1: To us, this is this is this is the jam.
Speaker 1: So this is it a lot of people, like I said,
Speaker 1: if people would have asked, like, yo, so is it
Speaker 1: hip hop? No, that's rexing effect or that's news swing.
Speaker 1: And why do music that I said, scrutiny, Why music
Speaker 1: have to be put into a categlory or into a
Speaker 1: box when it was everything to everybody. This was the
Speaker 1: first record, the first Booty song to play on MTV,
Speaker 1: the very first throw. They wasn't on MTV yet or
Speaker 1: never took. That record was decided by a judge. The
Speaker 1: first commercial about Rumpshaker was a judge and they played
Speaker 1: a record and you know, it was like a demonstration
Speaker 1: and this record makes MTV. That's crazy. But I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, yep. And we did a lot to
Speaker 1: make that record make TV because we had some we
Speaker 1: had some stuff going on and we had some stars
Speaker 1: in there. Like you you would know, like the the
Speaker 1: girl is playing the successphone, you know who that is.
Speaker 1: That's Bobby Brown's wife. Wow, today my mind. Wasn't his
Speaker 1: wife then though? Wasn't his wife then? Right? That's his wife?
Speaker 1: Now do y'all think, y'all y'all introduced? Uh no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's all Day. That's that's Luke. That's I even said
Speaker 1: a lot of my records, I'm the East Coast Luke.
Speaker 1: Goddamn it. Okay, but but listen, you said this is
Speaker 1: hip hop nonetheless, Yeah, but no, it wasn't. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: when the fiftieth to us in my anniversary, we wasn't called.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, this is a hip
Speaker 1: hop hit record exactly. Nobody says the lead rapper is
Speaker 1: one of the most influenced, influential rappers because a lot
Speaker 1: of people and I'm gonna keep it one hundred a
Speaker 1: lot of people a guy that got their style from him,
Speaker 1: I'll kill a plus keep going. He's a very educated
Speaker 1: rapper and freestyle, Yeah, A plus off through it. But
Speaker 1: you know when people don't give you that respect, he's
Speaker 1: just like, yo, I got another job over here. I
Speaker 1: can just do that. And we just kind of left
Speaker 1: it alone. But when we performed that song, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to go down in history. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I mean, I don't know if everybody agrees
Speaker 1: with me, but I feel like I think it as well.
Speaker 1: And it's rump shaking. Those are the summer records for
Speaker 1: that time period, which is the golden era in my
Speaker 1: you know, from my generation of hip hop. YEP, it's
Speaker 1: drinking and rump shaking. Like there's no other record that's
Speaker 1: going to bring everybody on the dance floor like that.
Speaker 1: I feel the same way, you know this is that's
Speaker 1: a classic. You know, there's not a lot of rap classics.
Speaker 1: You know that you could say I could play twenty
Speaker 1: years this record ninety two and still playing today in
Speaker 1: the clubs. And the sample, the original sample of Public
Speaker 1: Enemy use right first or no? The original sample is
Speaker 1: by some I got souped million dollars for that record,
Speaker 1: A million, a million dollars. I had to pay me.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what they called us lady later when
Speaker 1: the record the record did half a million because the
Speaker 1: record was in and part of my publishing check went
Speaker 1: to pay for that sample. They let us as an
Speaker 1: Indian band, an Indian band before Public Enemy before yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Jay used it afterwards. Yeah right, yeah, wow crazy,
Speaker 1: So we know you didn't smoke the blunt relaxed. It
Speaker 1: was for later before. Can I ask this is for
Speaker 1: my in a junkie whoa, whoa the inner junkie and
Speaker 1: you what's the what? What kind of drugs was in
Speaker 1: the Bobby Brown sessions? Well? See, was there not cooking
Speaker 1: that I work with that did substance? Did not bring
Speaker 1: it around me. I'm gonna tell you, like like Snoop
Speaker 1: Dogg and that's my brother. But Snoop would even ask me,
Speaker 1: oh can we can we hit one? And one day
Speaker 1: he smoked in the session, right, and Aaron Hall was
Speaker 1: with us. Everybody was in the session and Snoop came
Speaker 1: and he said, I bet you can't hit this. You
Speaker 1: you'll never hit that. And Snoop had some strong stuff right,
Speaker 1: and I said, so, I bet y'all would because they
Speaker 1: used to smoke every day. Him, corrupt everybody, creep everybody.
Speaker 1: So I took a hit and it changed my life.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna tell you why. Because I have hyperthyroids hyperthyroidism,
Speaker 1: and I used to have tremors. My hands used to
Speaker 1: shake a lot, you know. I had a grade disease
Speaker 1: and cancer. Wow, and I used to I could never sleep,
Speaker 1: like if I'm in a studio session, I can go
Speaker 1: to for forty eight hours literally. But for me, what
Speaker 1: helped me? And now we're working on the strand as
Speaker 1: a tea because tea said, because uh, Indeca, it's probably
Speaker 1: it's the best thing for me. And I only have
Speaker 1: to take one. And I'm good because the up order down,
Speaker 1: down down, because I'm already up. Okay, I'm already up. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, why you say, jumping bunny, you know I'm
Speaker 1: out of here. I can go, no, do yourself. I'm like,
Speaker 1: do you sell? Like? And it was nothing that because
Speaker 1: I don't really like taking medicine at all. There was
Speaker 1: nothing that could help me and my my ex manager
Speaker 1: I used to play with. I used to sell you
Speaker 1: a pusher man, you know, like it was your drug dealer,
Speaker 1: because he was you know, he he introduced when they
Speaker 1: had the vaps. But I realized that was dangerous. Then
Speaker 1: he said, you know, they and you would have to
Speaker 1: do the real deal. Or let's figure out how we
Speaker 1: can turn it into a te So I have a
Speaker 1: company now really putting together a strand and so it
Speaker 1: can make it into a tea. That's why, so that
Speaker 1: I'm able to you know, sleep, but it also helps
Speaker 1: me with my thye words. So yeah, okay, So the
Speaker 1: drugs and studio, I could tell you a couple of
Speaker 1: people who asked me, you know, I'm in ODB O
Speaker 1: dB when he came to do the remix for Fix. Okay,
Speaker 1: and this is how you got that that part on
Speaker 1: Fixed when he went who her name was, Vagina? The
Speaker 1: dude had to have a forty and he had to
Speaker 1: have his weed. Nobody never did weed in my studio.
Speaker 1: The first person to do weed in my studio was
Speaker 1: Buster bust a round. Yeah, my brother, because he's like
Speaker 1: I don't feel good. I don't feel good. Yo. I
Speaker 1: need Yo, I need I don't feel yo, yos an
Speaker 1: you talk to because some gotta give. I was like,
Speaker 1: who is talking about? He's like, yo, I know you
Speaker 1: don't allow like you know, smoking in your studio. Well,
Speaker 1: can you could just give me this one? I'll finish
Speaker 1: this record like like trust wow. I was like, I
Speaker 1: you got a bush he's smoking? Was it? It changes?
Speaker 1: You know, it's another playing field when when you got that.
Speaker 1: So like even sometimes like when I'm in the studio,
Speaker 1: I would have that feeling like today is the day
Speaker 1: I need to because I'm on something right now and
Speaker 1: I need to focus. The stuff I do is give
Speaker 1: me a focus. And I'm like in that zone and
Speaker 1: like just working on records for like Usher and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, I gotta get in the zone.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So man, taking a picture because I can't thank you enough, man,
Speaker 2: Like I know you got to wrap it up, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take another shot for you. I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: too more shots for you because yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take too much shot, take too much.
Speaker 1: Because let me just tell you, man, we all owe you. Man.
Speaker 1: Music mean nothing no, no, no no, I gave me
Speaker 1: let me get you gave me my gime me check
Speaker 1: this out. I'm gonna be one hond. I didn't think
Speaker 1: I will ever make it here really serious because I
Speaker 1: didn't really have like when I go on a show
Speaker 1: like dude, like your show has got to be something
Speaker 1: like this. This really got me here. I feel like
Speaker 1: this is my reason. I know you wanted me to
Speaker 1: come up because we talked about oh yes at the
Speaker 1: piece pot piece, but this right here, I feel like
Speaker 1: this was the vehicle that I feel I have something
Speaker 1: to talk about. And then all the stuff you wanted
Speaker 1: to ask me, and then the games and it became
Speaker 1: like yo, that's flowers for me. Yes, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Just coming on the show. I don't like
Speaker 1: I told you, I don't doing on my past, but
Speaker 1: thank you for humoring us. Yeah. Yeah, and we have
Speaker 1: to we have to. We have to, you know what,
Speaker 1: in case that's what you want to do.
Speaker 2: It's people like us that we sit around and we
Speaker 2: said we have to say, man like this like your legacy,
Speaker 2: what you've done, what you gave to us is your
Speaker 2: birth children, you birth you know, like when I said
Speaker 2: four different decades. I'm sitting back and I'm just like
Speaker 2: that shit is so beautiful, Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: There's people who don't last six months. These people don't
Speaker 2: last six weeks, these people don't last two weeks. And
Speaker 2: the fact is that you have this a luxurious career.
Speaker 2: I have to sit you as a man and tell you,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you for doing that, because I know
Speaker 2: how much shit you have probably been through. I know
Speaker 2: how much shit that you hain't talking about in that
Speaker 2: book because I'm I can't say I'm of you, But
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say is.
Speaker 1: I'm of that same essence we all come to trade.
Speaker 1: And I know, I know the hardship that you've been through,
Speaker 1: and I know the fact that you standing in here
Speaker 1: today as a man, sitting there and you are you
Speaker 1: are who you are, You are everyone who loves you,
Speaker 1: everyone worships you. But I know I know sometimes what
Speaker 1: we've been through.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I look at my friends sometimes and
Speaker 2: I can see them go to McDonald's and I can
Speaker 2: say to them, fuck, I'm jealous of I'm going to
Speaker 2: make them right. Not because I'm jealous of them going
Speaker 2: to McDonald's. I'm jealous that they can go to McDonald's.
Speaker 2: They can get their their chicken filet or fish for legs.
Speaker 1: I know you don't eat chicken. They could get their
Speaker 1: fish for l a. They could get their little they
Speaker 1: uh uh because my man that's vegan. Uh, they get
Speaker 1: his loop.
Speaker 2: They can get their French fries and they can sit down.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm not you mean to throw you out,
Speaker 2: but they can sit down. And that ship it vexes
Speaker 2: me sometimes because it's like, damn, I know much I
Speaker 2: sacrifice for this industry. You not much I've done for
Speaker 2: this industry, and I can't even do it. I can't
Speaker 2: even get up McDonald's meal like without being but yehad.
Speaker 1: But you can. It's just you choose not to. So
Speaker 1: it's it's like, m I I wanted, like I watched
Speaker 1: the show probably since the beginning, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: man than you, and you know, I was like, dag,
Speaker 1: if I go on this show, I want to have something.
Speaker 1: I want to have something because I know I got
Speaker 1: something right, but I want to have something more, like
Speaker 1: something to talk about. You know. I'm always with sepstance,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's the reason why I kind of
Speaker 1: duck and Dodge. You know when I saw you, I
Speaker 1: ain't ready, No, you know what, But you know what
Speaker 1: the beautiful part about that was.
Speaker 2: Was I got, like I said, like I started this
Speaker 2: interview off when I got to see you be so
Speaker 2: happy for another person and I got to see her come.
Speaker 2: I'm saying like you like you're one of these people
Speaker 2: that like you've done everything, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like we had Will Smith on here, I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: be and Will told us he said, man, there's a
Speaker 2: mountain top.
Speaker 1: And when he said that, what is it? What is it?
Speaker 2: What cliff top? And he was he was just ascribing
Speaker 2: to us how you can make it to the top
Speaker 2: and that should just not be enough. And that shit
Speaker 2: scared the ship out of me.
Speaker 1: That was ahead.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry because I feel like you're about to say
Speaker 2: something because you're right.
Speaker 1: You're right. I always say, you know, it's easy to
Speaker 1: get to the top, but it's hard to maintain and
Speaker 1: stay there. And my formula to that is, this is
Speaker 1: the industry. If you're trying to sustain yourself, sometimes you
Speaker 1: got to sit down, just like let the sub come in.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know how to let the subns.
Speaker 1: So that's what I did. I created subs. I created,
Speaker 1: you know, like architects that could fulfill what I'm doing
Speaker 1: while I'm sitting down, and that's what for well, you know,
Speaker 1: that's where they all come in. It's like that at
Speaker 1: least I know that something came from or came through
Speaker 1: me that I'm able to say that he's doing it.
Speaker 1: And when you see that, like writing the drunks as well,
Speaker 1: you know, and you're able to say that I'm a
Speaker 1: part of that. It's like when you said with the clips,
Speaker 1: that's the part I'm a part of that. That's that's
Speaker 1: my war too. You know I feel that way as well.
Speaker 1: But I'll never say it's like you smile inside that
Speaker 1: that really shows right here, it's all in here, and
Speaker 1: it's all in here, you know, and and that's what
Speaker 1: you're seeing. Because I'm proud, like like one hundred one
Speaker 1: thousand percent proud of all of them. I can tell
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's no, like never have
Speaker 1: been any type of heoration. No, because when you know,
Speaker 1: like when you see like you envisioned the tree, like
Speaker 1: it only adds on to you. But I got to
Speaker 1: see it. I'll stood behind you bro, you behind me,
Speaker 1: but you ain't see me drop the tear of joy.
Speaker 1: I did see that, you did. I did see that
Speaker 1: because I who was sitting right behind me? It was me.
Speaker 1: My wife was dead. I was almost wanted to say,
Speaker 1: get the camera because you know you were right here.
Speaker 1: You were exactly where e FN was to me.
Speaker 2: And what I realized was our whole chemistry the bose.
Speaker 1: Together at that very moment. I knew it already, but
Speaker 1: I looked and and and you know what, God bless
Speaker 1: hip hop man, God blessed hip hop man. God bless
Speaker 1: The last person that did that with me where I
Speaker 1: had a tear of joy was when I won We
Speaker 1: won the the Grammy for No Dignity. And then what
Speaker 1: came next was a Record of the Year and voice
Speaker 1: the Men one and Rick Rubin took a piece of
Speaker 1: paper and wrote that should have been your award, And
Speaker 1: I said, everything happens on God's time. Sometimes you gotta
Speaker 1: sit like I said, You gotta sit back that God
Speaker 1: stayed away. Are process. You trust the process. You know
Speaker 1: you get there. You just got to stay in, stay
Speaker 1: in the number in the game. Do another record. But
Speaker 1: let me just let me just end on this note,
Speaker 1: I really have to thank you again, Thank you again
Speaker 1: for your contribute, con your contribution to life, not only
Speaker 1: just music, Like your music changed people's lives. So I
Speaker 1: want to say thank you for what you contributed to life,
Speaker 1: even bigger than music, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: when I'm sitting abound and I'm sitting bound, I was
Speaker 1: like this man, this man, caters are ears for.
Speaker 2: Thirty damn years and forty. Of course, of course the
Speaker 2: limit your name job was just downplaying it. But I'm
Speaker 2: doing it in the right way.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is that shit is so
Speaker 1: beautiful man, Like I'm proud to know you. I'm proud
Speaker 1: to be in the same area as you. I'm probably
Speaker 1: be in the same room as you. I'm proud. And
Speaker 1: me and him like we said, man, we want to
Speaker 1: give people.
Speaker 2: They flowers while they are alive, they trees while they
Speaker 2: can smell them, and they thoughts where they can tell them.
Speaker 2: And we want to tell you, thank you, brother, thank
Speaker 2: you for being who you are, thank you for being
Speaker 2: this you.
Speaker 1: And I'm so scared because I'm looking at your people
Speaker 1: and I can tell they want you to go, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, you still got to do a picture
Speaker 1: and dropping. But take one more shot. Oh I forgot,
Speaker 1: I forgot. I jerked you on the shot. I jerked
Speaker 1: you on the shot. I jerked you on the shot. Poor.
Speaker 1: So you know how the ship is. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be got. I got this and silo, silo, and thank
Speaker 1: you and take you to your team, man, thank you.
Speaker 1: All of your team is beautiful. Man. They was on point.
Speaker 1: Even though my Dominican friends send him the wrong address.
Speaker 1: I'm blaming it on him. I'm blaming you, missing Lee.
Speaker 1: I cannot blame him that. I'm blaming you because April
Speaker 1: Crocket hit me. It was like, do you know you
Speaker 1: have you have to tell you on yourself? Of course,
Speaker 1: I know, you know. He goes. You know they're outside
Speaker 1: and I'm going, this is no way and I know
Speaker 1: it's other spots.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I believe it was him sending
Speaker 2: the wrong address. I'm blaming him all on every day.
Speaker 2: I'm blaming the Dominican guy. Thank you so much, though,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. Just take a picture.
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