Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Carol Markowitz Show on the
Speaker 1: Clay and Buck podcast network on iHeartRadio. One of the
Speaker 1: things we're going to be talking about a lot on
Speaker 1: this show is how we're lied to about marriage and
Speaker 1: kids and generally about family life. There was a viral
Speaker 1: video on TikTok recently. Now I'm not on TikTok, I'm
Speaker 1: on Instagram like a grown up, and so I see
Speaker 1: the tiktoks as reels three weeks later.
Speaker 2: But I saw this one and it really stuck with me.
Speaker 1: In it, the girl is accepting an engagement ring, and
Speaker 1: as she pushes her finger through the ring, it flashes
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 2: Life becoming one of drudgery.
Speaker 1: She's doing laundry, she's washing floors, she's rocking a baby,
Speaker 1: and when she takes her finger out of the ring,
Speaker 1: it's back to her regular life. The ring is what
Speaker 1: locks her into this terrible, difficult life. So the conversation
Speaker 1: around this clip is that some people believe it's anti
Speaker 1: marriage propaganda from China, and maybe it is. I should
Speaker 1: ask my EXCIA friend Buck Sexton what he thinks.
Speaker 2: But I have a few thoughts overall on this clip.
Speaker 1: So, first of all, does this woman not do laundry
Speaker 1: or clean her house currently.
Speaker 2: I remember single life.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of doing laundry alone and making
Speaker 1: my bed alone and cleaning up alone.
Speaker 2: Now I do the majority of.
Speaker 1: The housework, but I also work at my job a
Speaker 1: lot fewer hours than my husband does at his, and
Speaker 1: I absolutely have help from him, like, Babe, can you
Speaker 1: put the clothes in the dryer?
Speaker 2: Babe?
Speaker 1: Can you unload the dishwasher? Yes, we call each other babe.
Speaker 1: But two, it's interesting that people think this is propaganda
Speaker 1: from China. Now, why would China want to discourage Americans
Speaker 1: from getting married. Aren't they afraid of independent girl bosses
Speaker 1: and fifty year old men who act like they're twenty
Speaker 1: in the club. It's believable that a video like this
Speaker 1: would come from an adversary because deep down, no matter
Speaker 1: how many videos Chelsea Handler puts out on how much
Speaker 1: she loves sleeping alone, we know that marriage is.
Speaker 2: A worthy goal.
Speaker 1: Couples who are married are more successful, they make and
Speaker 1: save more money, they live healthier lifestyles.
Speaker 2: There's just an array.
Speaker 1: Of benefits to getting married that are not debatable, and
Speaker 1: that maybe China doesn't want our people to have there's
Speaker 1: also just, you know, being around someone you love and
Speaker 1: who loves you and wants to make you happy. It's
Speaker 1: all very nice. I can tell you that I bought
Speaker 1: into this lie in my twenties, before I started dating
Speaker 1: my husband. I never wanted to get married. I used
Speaker 1: to wake up in cold sweats having had a nightmare
Speaker 1: that I had gotten accidentally married.
Speaker 2: Somehow.
Speaker 1: I was immature, and yes I was dating the wrong people,
Speaker 1: but I also believed.
Speaker 2: That marriage was the end of life.
Speaker 1: Kids were so boring. I did not want to be boring.
Speaker 1: I wanted to have an exciting life. You know, there's
Speaker 1: that line in the old movie when Harry met Sally
Speaker 1: when she says that they always talked about how they
Speaker 1: could fly off to Paris on a moment's notice, but
Speaker 1: they never actually did.
Speaker 2: That was me.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be free and available to fly to
Speaker 1: Paris on a moment's notice and.
Speaker 2: Listen, while I had a good time.
Speaker 1: In my single days, stuff like that really didn't happen.
Speaker 1: I'm much more likely to take a trip to Paris today,
Speaker 1: and it might not be at a moment's notice because
Speaker 1: the kids have a lot of sports. The lie is
Speaker 1: that marriage and family are the end, but it is
Speaker 1: a lie. Stability and family life opens doors to happiness
Speaker 1: that were not open before. Doors you might not even
Speaker 1: know exist. You're going to be doing laundry and washing
Speaker 1: your floors with or without your may as well have
Speaker 1: somebody with you.
Speaker 2: Through the drudgery and the trips to Paris.
Speaker 1: The other lie is that you have to pursue your
Speaker 1: career before settling down, and this lie is often specifically
Speaker 1: sold to men. This is absolutely backwards. When you have
Speaker 1: a comfortable home, when somebody loves you and takes care
Speaker 1: of you, it's a lot easier to do your job
Speaker 1: and pursue opportunities. Married men make more money than single men,
Speaker 1: and this is a fact. It also just makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. The guy's wipe being on Tinder every
Speaker 1: night just isn't going to have the same focus as
Speaker 1: the man who has a family to support. But it's
Speaker 1: true for women too. A pupil in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: found that coupled women were making more money than single
Speaker 1: women for the first time ever. They were out earning
Speaker 1: their single counterparts by quite a bit. And I say
Speaker 1: this all the time, but I've never actually met a
Speaker 1: woman who didn't get married because she was too focused
Speaker 1: on her career. I know that that trope exists. I
Speaker 1: have heard it many times of the busy career woman
Speaker 1: who just forgot to get married, but I literally don't
Speaker 1: know her, and I have met quite a few people
Speaker 1: along the way, because let's be real, meeting the right
Speaker 1: person is often also the luck of the draw. You
Speaker 1: have to be open to it, yes, but there's some
Speaker 1: luck involved. As I said earlier, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: get married when I was in my twenties because I
Speaker 1: was deathly afraid of having to spend my life with
Speaker 1: the wrong person. I know that it was luck and
Speaker 1: timing that led to my husband and me getting together,
Speaker 1: but it was also discarding the bad ideas that had
Speaker 1: taken hold in my mind about what marriage is or
Speaker 1: is not. If you're a single person, whether a man
Speaker 1: or a woman, and you're listening to this and you're thinking,
Speaker 1: I get it. I know marriage is the best, but
Speaker 1: I haven't met person know that I understand.
Speaker 2: I totally get it. I see you. I'm rooting for you.
Speaker 1: I know it's not easy, and I hate that you
Speaker 1: get criticized for being unmarried. I hope that the advice
Speaker 1: that I will offer in later episodes will help you
Speaker 1: in your search, and I hope that you do find
Speaker 1: your person because it is something great and I want
Speaker 1: you to be a part of it. My final comment
Speaker 1: is that it's very hard for people to see their
Speaker 1: lives in the future, and this is partially why they're
Speaker 1: susceptible to the lie that marriage is the end of
Speaker 1: the fun life. The guys hanging out with their friends
Speaker 1: on a Sunday watching football and playing video games, or
Speaker 1: the girls brunching post college and the big city. They
Speaker 1: can't imagine a time when one by one their friends
Speaker 1: will pair off and that is what will happen. They
Speaker 1: imagine that these fun times will last forever. So while
Speaker 1: I do think again that luck is involved in meeting
Speaker 1: the right person, there's also the people who discount the
Speaker 1: right person because it might not be the right time
Speaker 1: and they can't picture their lives beyond the current moment.
Speaker 1: I think that's where the current push to marry young
Speaker 1: comes from. It's about encouraging people in their twenties to
Speaker 1: try to picture their lives in five to ten years.
Speaker 1: You're not going to be on the bean bag at
Speaker 1: Jimmy's house playing Madden eras do come to a close,
Speaker 1: and that's not a bad thing, but I think it
Speaker 1: needs to be clarified that, sure, marry young if you've
Speaker 1: met the right person, don't marry young just to marry young.
Speaker 2: We'll get more.
Speaker 1: Into all of these ideas in future episodes, and I
Speaker 1: do hope you listen along. If you'd like for me
Speaker 1: to answer your questions or offer my advice, the email
Speaker 1: is Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com, and I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear from you. My guest today is my
Speaker 1: friend Buck Sexton, co host of The Clay Travis and
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2: Hi, Buck, Hey, Carol, how are you good?
Speaker 1: Did you petition to make it the Buck Sexton and
Speaker 1: Clay Travis Show or no?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I always liked to be the guy that everyone can
Speaker 3: count on to just carry my side.
Speaker 2: The thing, I don't make any petitions, So.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like I know you quite well,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know the answer to some of these.
Speaker 2: So did you always want to be in radio? Definitely,
Speaker 2: definitely not.
Speaker 3: I was somebody who was a CIA officer because I had,
Speaker 3: you know, nine to eleven happened, and I just was
Speaker 3: one of those people who thought I was in college
Speaker 3: and I thought, how can I help?
Speaker 2: And so senior year, I mean it happened.
Speaker 3: When I was a sophomore, I was studying Midi's politics
Speaker 3: and things like that, and then senior year, the first
Speaker 3: job I applied for was with the CIA.
Speaker 2: Everyone else was like, I want to go to Goldman Sachs.
Speaker 2: I'm want to go to a K and they're like,
Speaker 2: what do you want to do?
Speaker 3: Buck, And it was a little weird because I didn't
Speaker 3: really I didn't tell anybody because I wasn't really sure
Speaker 3: if I was going to try.
Speaker 2: To CIA material right part of the CIA I was
Speaker 2: going to do.
Speaker 3: So I just sort of, you know, did my thing
Speaker 3: and then figured I'd go through some on campus recruiting
Speaker 3: just for the for the experience, which was also pretty funny.
Speaker 2: And I got the CIA job.
Speaker 3: So I did that for years, and then I did
Speaker 3: NYPD and Tellen's Division, and then long story short, Glenn
Speaker 3: Beck found me, like just found word of me and
Speaker 3: hired me and convinced me not to go to business school.
Speaker 3: That's that's about ten years of my life condensed.
Speaker 2: Thanks Glenn Beck.
Speaker 1: Actually My very first time on TV was on Blaze
Speaker 1: TV with you.
Speaker 2: So, you know, long long road to get here.
Speaker 1: Were we nice to you? There was a lot nice. No,
Speaker 1: you guys were super nice. Yeah, it was you, It
Speaker 1: was Will Kine, it was se Cup. You guys were
Speaker 1: all super nice.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: So you have the best, the biggest radio show in
Speaker 1: the country, and you know the let's say.
Speaker 2: You know whatever. I think. So, yeah, do you feel
Speaker 2: like you've made it? No?
Speaker 3: No, I mean I think that every day I have
Speaker 3: to do a better show. I think that every day
Speaker 3: after a show, I think about what I could have
Speaker 3: done differently.
Speaker 2: I think that in our business you have to.
Speaker 3: You can really go astray and start to drive yourself
Speaker 3: a little crazy unless you really focus on the work.
Speaker 3: And you know, there's a lot of noise and you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of things going wrong in the background of
Speaker 3: media all the time. But ultimately, I just try to
Speaker 3: serve Rusha's audience every day because I still it's, you know,
Speaker 3: an audience that Rush built over thirty thirty plus years.
Speaker 3: So no, I mean, I'm writing a book right now
Speaker 3: which is has gone from being exciting and fun to
Speaker 3: a little bit overwhelming too. Now it is like I
Speaker 3: feel like I am because I'm I don't know, thirty
Speaker 3: thousand words into it maybe so you know, get and
Speaker 3: it feels like I'm breaking like rocks with my bare fists.
Speaker 2: Every day.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, make this stop, make this stop. So yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I don't. I wouldn't say that. I feel like I've
Speaker 3: made it. I feel like I've got more I've got
Speaker 3: to do every day.
Speaker 1: So as somebody who just wrote a book for the
Speaker 1: first time in the last year, I have to tell
Speaker 1: you it only gets worse. You're like in maybe the
Speaker 1: honeymoon period if you're still writing, editing.
Speaker 2: Is really well. I mean, I'll just tell you this.
Speaker 2: You know, this is something that things get bad. I
Speaker 2: don't know how much.
Speaker 3: People really know about this, but very I should say
Speaker 3: very few, but most people in the news commentary space
Speaker 3: don't actually write their own books. And when you meet
Speaker 3: with publishers, if you have a platform that can sell
Speaker 3: the book, they're very and this is just true across
Speaker 3: the board publishers.
Speaker 2: They'll be like, hey, I mean, do you really want
Speaker 2: to write it yourself? You really? Are you sure about that?
Speaker 3: Because like we can get someone that sort of comes
Speaker 3: in and you guide and you know, yeah, And I
Speaker 3: mean I always said that I would do the book
Speaker 3: writing myself, and now I see why a lot of
Speaker 3: people are just.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm going to pay somebody else to do that
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Well, just to give you an idea of our different
Speaker 1: levels of fame. You get asked whether you want to
Speaker 1: write your own book. I get asked to write other
Speaker 1: people's books. So, but I've never done it. I you know,
Speaker 1: I just not not that there's anything wrong with that,
Speaker 1: but I just, you know, never took anybody up.
Speaker 2: On that offer. So what's it like to lead a
Speaker 2: public life? Like? Do you get recognized a lot? Do
Speaker 2: you like it? It's funny? I don't really, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like a public person at all. I
Speaker 2: don't really. I don't ever think of myself that way.
Speaker 2: So it does.
Speaker 3: And unless you're in the conservative media space, I mean,
Speaker 3: some people, you know, I've done Bill Maher a couple
Speaker 3: of times.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's some stuff I've done that's a lot.
Speaker 3: I used to work at CNN, so there are people
Speaker 3: who are not just conservative who would somewhat recognize my face.
Speaker 2: And I am told by people that apparently I do not.
Speaker 3: Age and I do not change, so there is that
Speaker 3: I look the same many many years now into this.
Speaker 2: Although I don't have a beard anywhere.
Speaker 3: I don't know Carol, do you Carol knows my wife
Speaker 3: Carrie very well, what do you?
Speaker 2: What do you think of no beard? Are you? I mean,
Speaker 2: team Carrie? What does she want? Team Carrie says no beard?
Speaker 2: So then no beard. It's easy answer. So yeah, so
Speaker 2: that she got Obviously she got her wish.
Speaker 3: But it's kind of funny because people in the audience
Speaker 3: will like weigh in very heavily one with the other
Speaker 3: on this, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, whatever you do, look super young, thank you.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, whatever the wife wants is what
Speaker 3: I'm going to do. I'm I mean, I'm in my
Speaker 3: forties now, this is like it's real. I'm gonna I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm an adult human person, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: So anyway, where was I to switch to? You know,
Speaker 1: a related topic? You got married and we.
Speaker 2: Did Wait did I answer? You asked me a question?
Speaker 2: What was the question?
Speaker 1: I feel like, like leading a public life, I think,
Speaker 1: oh I did know I was. I'm also going to say,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I don't get recognized that much, but
Speaker 1: I have been sent drinks for free because I was
Speaker 1: sitting next to you.
Speaker 2: So you know, well that makes me happy. That's like
Speaker 2: a really good thing. That's a really good thing to hear.
Speaker 3: I would say this people when they know you from radio,
Speaker 3: because they spend so much time with you, because radio
Speaker 3: is a long form and it's a daily thing, and
Speaker 3: you really build a relationship with the audience. People who
Speaker 3: know me from radio and they wreckon sometimes actually recognize
Speaker 3: me by my voice instead of my face. Like this
Speaker 3: is happening with like uber drivers and different cities.
Speaker 2: I'll visit.
Speaker 3: They they'll kind of like look back and then you know,
Speaker 3: they'll say, wait a second. But people that know you
Speaker 3: from radio want to hug you, and just like they'll
Speaker 3: ask me, like how Carrie's doing?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They're just like they'll jump right into it. There's no TV.
Speaker 3: You do Fox. I've done Fox. I used to do CNN.
Speaker 2: It's a little more like I think I saw you
Speaker 2: when I was on the treadmill recently. You don't even
Speaker 2: it's a different kind of.
Speaker 3: A recognition, right, Yeah, all right, So are you guys
Speaker 3: about getting married radio radio?
Speaker 1: I think people really feel like they get to know
Speaker 1: you so, yeah, you got married in the last year
Speaker 1: and that, you know, that's a bit on the later side.
Speaker 1: I would say, right, you just told us your age.
Speaker 1: I got married at thirty one. Also, you know, I
Speaker 1: think a little on the later side, especially as the
Speaker 1: conversation right now on the right is you should get
Speaker 1: married young, you should get married younger.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that? I mean, thirty one
Speaker 2: for New York.
Speaker 1: City, that's like, no, I know, I thought I was babies.
Speaker 2: Having babies, but totally standard.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's like, I mean, I don't know any
Speaker 3: I don't think I had any like you know peers
Speaker 3: from you know, growing up in New York that in
Speaker 3: their late twenties early thirties, like that was when it
Speaker 3: started to happen.
Speaker 2: I didn't know anybody who was married by like twenty five.
Speaker 3: For example, at the CIA, I did way more common
Speaker 3: the CIA for people to get married really young. But
Speaker 3: you know a lot of them are from other parts
Speaker 3: of the country. Right, what would I say about getting married?
Speaker 3: I mean, I would say, man, i feel like I'm
Speaker 3: too early, and that problem. There are so many things
Speaker 3: where I feel like I've experienced enough and know enough
Speaker 3: where I have a lot of worthwhile things to say.
Speaker 2: On being married.
Speaker 3: I mean it's been less than a year, so I'm
Speaker 3: still learning very much. I do think here's what I
Speaker 3: what I can definitely say. People that mortgage their their
Speaker 3: lives as a possible you know, family, you know, people
Speaker 3: that give up that for a job, are overwhelmingly not
Speaker 3: happy with that when when all said and done. I
Speaker 3: think it's true of men and women. A little bit
Speaker 3: harder for women because of the realities of of you know,
Speaker 3: the biological clock that they have to work with. So
Speaker 3: I do think that people should If I hadn't made
Speaker 3: a career, made a massive career change switch cities, if
Speaker 3: I had been a little bit more in one place
Speaker 3: and a little more settled and who I you know
Speaker 3: what I was trying to do, I would have I
Speaker 3: would have wanted to get married younger.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, you know, if.
Speaker 1: I could have met Carrie, that's it.
Speaker 2: It's ten years ago. I would have been happy to
Speaker 2: have done that.
Speaker 3: But the other side of it is, I'm I'm a
Speaker 3: person who thinks that, you know, it should be one
Speaker 3: and done. I mean, I know life is not perfect
Speaker 3: and whatever, and so I would have mind my thinking On.
Speaker 3: It was I'd rather wait until I can get it
Speaker 3: right than sort of just give it a shot and maybe,
Speaker 3: you know, take two or three shots at this over
Speaker 3: my lifetime.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, did you see that story you know about
Speaker 1: Representative Bobert. You know, she gets handsy in the movie theater.
Speaker 1: Obviously we all saw that. But there was a piece
Speaker 1: in Salon by Amanda Marquotte saying that the reason she's
Speaker 1: blaming her shenanigans the Bobert shenanigans on the fact that
Speaker 1: she got married young, and that this is the way
Speaker 1: that she's acting out because she didn't get a.
Speaker 2: Chance to do this when she was young.
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, Marquote is the one who
Speaker 1: wrote that piece about the tyranny of the home cooked meal.
Speaker 1: So obviously take anything she says with a large grain
Speaker 1: of salt. But is there anything to that where getting
Speaker 1: married young would have kept you know, Bobert's hands or
Speaker 1: not getting married young she would have been behaving differently
Speaker 1: in that theater.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I don't, I don't really see that.
Speaker 3: I look, I will tell you, I'm it's funny cause
Speaker 3: I'm talking to Carol like she's my interviewer, Like Carol
Speaker 3: and I are friends and hang out in real life,
Speaker 3: so this is a little bit.
Speaker 4: It's a little funny because she's like, so tell me
Speaker 4: Buck of the things of which you think on these things.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, like didn't we didn't I text you
Speaker 4: like five minutes ago about this offline anyway, I would say, uh,
Speaker 4: I'm very.
Speaker 3: Uh impatient with people who have bad manners in public.
Speaker 3: It's it's actually a problem for me. Like in life.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a challenge because I like
Speaker 3: to think that I'm very understanding and very reasonable with people,
Speaker 3: right and you know, I get it, Like you know,
Speaker 3: I'm the one who if I can see, you know,
Speaker 3: a server in a restaurant is busting you know, his
Speaker 3: or her butt to do everything they can, but they're understaff.
Speaker 3: Like I'm the one who tells. I'm like, hey, it's cool,
Speaker 3: I get I can you know, I can see what's
Speaker 3: going on, Like, thank you for doing what you can.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it, and I'll give them a big tip.
Speaker 3: Like I like to try to be very reasoned about things.
Speaker 2: If you are.
Speaker 3: Blowing vape, smoke or whatever in my face when I'm
Speaker 3: trying to eat, I become very unreasonable or if I've
Speaker 3: said I got a theater, right, Like, public rudeness is something.
Speaker 2: That really bothers me.
Speaker 3: So it's funny because people are all this is my saying,
Speaker 3: people are all focused on like the handsy and the
Speaker 3: light and everything else. And I'm like, she was vaping
Speaker 3: in an indoor theater and people were asking her to stop,
Speaker 3: like that's the part that really that is interesting.
Speaker 1: That that nobody's really talking about that part, like, and
Speaker 1: apparently that was what got her kicked out. It wasn't
Speaker 1: the handsiness. It was like being loud and like taking
Speaker 1: pictures with flash. I mean, I could just imagine you
Speaker 1: you know, in a theater where somebody's using a flash camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, if somebody was like,
Speaker 3: you know, making out let's just say, next to me
Speaker 3: and it was getting a little you know, a little inappropriate,
Speaker 3: you know with it, I'm not going to like call
Speaker 3: security over all, right, you know. I mean, but if
Speaker 3: somebody like pulls out a cigarette and they just start puffing,
Speaker 3: like yes, like that's that's so it's interesting to me
Speaker 3: because that is what she should have been booted for.
Speaker 3: I also just think it's funny to watch so many
Speaker 3: people who are willing to justify like just obviously over
Speaker 3: the line, grotesque, highly sexualized, up in a whole range
Speaker 3: of different ways, who on this one all of a
Speaker 3: sudden they've turned into like Puritans, you know, on this
Speaker 3: one they're like, oh my gosh, there is there something
Speaker 3: in the criminal code.
Speaker 2: We could go Stern.
Speaker 1: Howard Stern is all offended by this and thinks that
Speaker 1: she should resign.
Speaker 2: I have never been a Howard Stern fan, so this
Speaker 2: is so funny to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what little I know of his work,
Speaker 3: and I you know, I occasionally would hear it a
Speaker 3: little bit back in the day in the nineties when
Speaker 3: I was, you know, younger and everything. I always just
Speaker 3: thought it was and I know, this is like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're such a nerd. I just always thought a lot
Speaker 3: of it was really distasteful and kind of mean.
Speaker 2: And not funny.
Speaker 1: I would have been okay with the crudeness if it
Speaker 1: made me laugh, but it never made me laugh.
Speaker 3: If you strike me as in good I always felt
Speaker 3: like it was there was a level of the where
Speaker 3: where it was kind of like mean humor for malcontents,
Speaker 3: like people that want to see somebody humiliated and.
Speaker 2: Laugh at that it was.
Speaker 3: And look, I'm not a I wasn't an aficionado, but
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I've never been a fan. And so
Speaker 3: now that he's like a lockdown free wants mask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it is trying to police Bobert and.
Speaker 1: Like come on right, yeah, all right, We're gonna you know,
Speaker 1: wrap up with some really easy questions like what do
Speaker 1: you think is our largest societal problem in America?
Speaker 3: Wait a second, Wait a second. I thought this was
Speaker 3: like Rogan doing I get like three hours here and.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, nice and fast, get all your
Speaker 2: best advice.
Speaker 3: And what is our biggest our biggest societal problem is
Speaker 3: uh self obsession?
Speaker 2: Do you think it's solvable?
Speaker 3: Well, like any problem, the first step is understanding what
Speaker 3: the problem is. I think as a culture we have
Speaker 3: turned or what I actually say is it's actually not.
Speaker 3: There are the American people, and this I would compare
Speaker 3: to people all over the world that I've met interacted with.
Speaker 3: American people in general are actually quite generous and have
Speaker 3: a public spirit. That is, if it's especially if it's
Speaker 3: not you know, for a lot of them, if it's
Speaker 3: not compelled, they're very generous with what they want to
Speaker 3: do for, you know, for their country. And but I
Speaker 3: think the culture has become overwhelmingly self obsessed in a
Speaker 3: way where now anyone who wants to sort of make
Speaker 3: a good faith effort about how we can be better
Speaker 3: towards others or how we can grow and things like
Speaker 3: that's just all mocked and ridicule. Like it's just how
Speaker 3: famous can I be on TikTok? How much money do
Speaker 3: I have? What car do I drive?
Speaker 2: How know? How hot do I look on Instagram? Like
Speaker 2: all of this is kind of overwhelming because people.
Speaker 3: Say, oh, it's always been like this, No, because now
Speaker 3: everyone's kind of everyone's a brand, right, everyone thinks of
Speaker 3: themselves as something beyond just who they are day to
Speaker 3: day and how.
Speaker 2: They interact with people.
Speaker 3: It's now what is the online perception and the mass
Speaker 3: media perception of who I am, even if you're not
Speaker 3: a public person, because everyone's kind of a public person
Speaker 3: now in some way. And so I think that that's
Speaker 3: created some really challenging and really kind of negative feedback
Speaker 3: loops and things like that. So that's, for a broad
Speaker 3: stroke answer, that's not Joe Biden's ruining America, which I
Speaker 3: could also say.
Speaker 1: So would the buck Sexton plan be get everybody off
Speaker 1: social media? Or what limit social media? Maybe limit how
Speaker 1: we use it? What's the like you know you could.
Speaker 3: Do The ancient Greeks were big into they were big
Speaker 3: to moderation as a as a concept, right, you know,
Speaker 3: And and that's something that I think is important. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think whether you're talking about your your alcohol intake,
Speaker 3: your sugar intake, your just go down a list of
Speaker 3: all these different things, it's about balancing it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I saw recently there was a debate.
Speaker 3: I think Cernovich said something about sports, and all these
Speaker 3: people get upset because he basically says, you know, why
Speaker 3: are all these adult met obsessed with sports? And I
Speaker 3: mean I largely agree with Cernovich as a side note,
Speaker 3: and I think it is obvious.
Speaker 2: I think this has become crazy.
Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, if you want to watch a
Speaker 3: football game on Sunday, fine, like you know, relax, kick back,
Speaker 3: like I'll watch whatever TV. Sometimes I viewed as like
Speaker 3: playing video games. Want to play a video game, fine,
Speaker 3: play video game. But if you tell me that you're
Speaker 3: going to spend all of Saturday and all of Sunday
Speaker 3: watching and betting on sports and you're going to watch
Speaker 3: three games each day and you can spend like nine
Speaker 3: ten hours. Like it's excessive, right, So I think, what
Speaker 3: was it? What was your initial pues? Now I'm running
Speaker 3: off into how.
Speaker 1: Are you solving? How are you selling the you know,
Speaker 1: self obsession.
Speaker 3: Just to tell to tell people to try to achieve
Speaker 3: to a degree that can balance and balance and moderation
Speaker 3: and things, and you know, think about taking a lot.
Speaker 3: I think most of society can be boiled down to
Speaker 3: a short term versus, like the fight between short term
Speaker 3: and long term thinking, because most people assuming that they're
Speaker 3: capable of baseline long term thinking, most people know deep
Speaker 3: down that that's going to be better for them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's it's you know, dealing with those sort of
Speaker 3: initial impulses.
Speaker 2: And you know, I wish I ate less chocolate. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you.
Speaker 3: I just I love a little bit of chocolate here
Speaker 3: and there, and sometimes it turns into a whole bar.
Speaker 2: So that's my way of trying to solve things.
Speaker 3: I mean, we didn't even get into politics that much,
Speaker 3: which I appreciate because these days, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: politics needs it really beats people down. And I wish
Speaker 3: it was. I wish it was a little more inspiring.
Speaker 3: It felt more inspired. Instead, it just feels like we're
Speaker 3: all in the middle of like a Yeah, do you
Speaker 3: ever do you ever see a fight? I don't know
Speaker 3: what kind of school you went to, but do you
Speaker 3: ever see a fight that in school? That at first
Speaker 3: was everyone's like, yeah, fight, fight, And then someone got
Speaker 3: like really hurt.
Speaker 2: You're kind of like, oh, God, like you know, someone
Speaker 2: like hit their head on the ground or something.
Speaker 1: Politician and that who's the which politicians are you talking
Speaker 1: about there?
Speaker 2: Who's getting their head beat in? I mean, I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of them.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're at a point now where
Speaker 3: also people, really people are really wanting to see their
Speaker 3: political opponents like locked up in a prison cell and
Speaker 3: and shut off from their families and to be treated
Speaker 3: like to be treated like a convict and all this stuff,
Speaker 3: and like this is heavy stuff, and it's becoming all
Speaker 3: very normalized, and it's like, oh, we just and this
Speaker 3: is not a good place for.
Speaker 2: Society to be in. And and I don't know how
Speaker 2: that's something. I don't know how we turn it off.
Speaker 3: I don't know how we get people to scale back
Speaker 3: a little bit. And I'm somebody who for years has
Speaker 3: been saying, you know, we need to like throw down harder,
Speaker 3: we need to get more into the into the fight
Speaker 3: on some of these political issues. But I mean, we're
Speaker 3: now at a place where if the other guy doesn't
Speaker 3: get thrown into prison, half the country.
Speaker 2: Is going to be upset. And that's just that's just crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that should not place to be be
Speaker 2: where we are.
Speaker 3: So I know I've taken on more of your time,
Speaker 3: look at and see, so we need to just see,
Speaker 3: you know, Carol a radio host.
Speaker 2: We will all talk forever because there's something a little
Speaker 2: wrong with.
Speaker 1: Those you podcast apparently I can cut you off at
Speaker 1: any time, or we could just keep this rolling, you know, indefinitely.
Speaker 1: But okay, my last question and here with your best
Speaker 1: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives, Like,
Speaker 1: what's the one thing that you recommend people do to
Speaker 1: just better themselves better their own lives.
Speaker 2: So it will sound.
Speaker 3: I think tright, maybe a little bit, but I think
Speaker 3: it's very true.
Speaker 2: Protect your time.
Speaker 3: I think people all themselves to get drawn into things,
Speaker 3: or they feel like they have to do something, or
Speaker 3: they feel like so and so wanted them. Your time
Speaker 3: is valuable and you need to You're the only one
Speaker 3: who can do it for yourself, right, I mean, unless
Speaker 3: you've got like some chief of staff or something, you're
Speaker 3: some big important person. Learning to protect your time, I
Speaker 3: think is one of the most important and underrated skills
Speaker 3: that people have, which includes things like you know, when
Speaker 3: you're invited to something and you don't think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be that fun and you would be better serve like
Speaker 3: working on a project every weekend.
Speaker 2: Like don't go. You love saying no to stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I do love saying no to things that is.
Speaker 3: This is also a fact of my reality in my life,
Speaker 3: Like I just if I'm not looking forward to something
Speaker 3: and it's and it's a like the craziest thing I
Speaker 3: come across all the time are people who spend their
Speaker 3: free time doing things they.
Speaker 2: Don't really like. They're like, oh, it.
Speaker 3: Was so hot at like the golf course, and I was,
Speaker 3: you know, I was out there for like ten hours.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why are you doing that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Do something else? So protect your time is a mantra
Speaker 2: for me. I think it's very important.
Speaker 3: And that means the time you spend with loved ones
Speaker 3: and family and protect some time to read. Every Everyone
Speaker 3: thinks they read, Carol, most people don't read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true. If you ask anyone if
Speaker 2: you read, they'll go, oh yeah. I'm not saying can
Speaker 2: you read.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, do you make it a point like I
Speaker 3: fall asleep reading a book. I fall asleep reading a
Speaker 3: book every night. Now, I'm not saying I'm some huge
Speaker 3: yeah or something, but I just mean like it's a
Speaker 3: part of my daily I will read for thirty minutes
Speaker 3: before I go to sleep every night.
Speaker 2: That's really awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean I used to do that and then I
Speaker 1: got married and that ended.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, when I.
Speaker 3: Have kids, which you know, God God willing hopefully will
Speaker 3: be soon, I may be up, you know, reading bedtime
Speaker 3: stories instead, but I'll work on something.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Buck Sexton, Thank you for being
Speaker 1: on my first episode. Loved having you on, and I
Speaker 1: hope you'll come back when your book is out.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's a good book. Thanks Carol too, Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for listening today.
Speaker 1: I hope you had a good time, and I hope
Speaker 1: you'll join me next time on the Carol Markowitz Show.
Speaker 1: Thank you