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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Carol Markowitz Show on the

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck podcast network on iHeartRadio. One of the

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Speaker 1: things we're going to be talking about a lot on

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Speaker 1: this show is how we're lied to about marriage and

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Speaker 1: kids and generally about family life. There was a viral

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Speaker 1: video on TikTok recently. Now I'm not on TikTok, I'm

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Speaker 1: on Instagram like a grown up, and so I see

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Speaker 1: the tiktoks as reels three weeks later.

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Speaker 2: But I saw this one and it really stuck with me.

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Speaker 1: In it, the girl is accepting an engagement ring, and

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Speaker 1: as she pushes her finger through the ring, it flashes

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Speaker 1: to her.

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Speaker 2: Life becoming one of drudgery.

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Speaker 1: She's doing laundry, she's washing floors, she's rocking a baby,

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Speaker 1: and when she takes her finger out of the ring,

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Speaker 1: it's back to her regular life. The ring is what

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Speaker 1: locks her into this terrible, difficult life. So the conversation

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Speaker 1: around this clip is that some people believe it's anti

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Speaker 1: marriage propaganda from China, and maybe it is. I should

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Speaker 1: ask my EXCIA friend Buck Sexton what he thinks.

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Speaker 2: But I have a few thoughts overall on this clip.

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Speaker 1: So, first of all, does this woman not do laundry

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Speaker 1: or clean her house currently.

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Speaker 2: I remember single life.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of doing laundry alone and making

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Speaker 2: Now I do the majority of.

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Speaker 1: The housework, but I also work at my job a

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Speaker 1: lot fewer hours than my husband does at his, and

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Speaker 1: I absolutely have help from him, like, Babe, can you

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Speaker 2: Babe?

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Speaker 1: Can you unload the dishwasher? Yes, we call each other babe.

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Speaker 1: But two, it's interesting that people think this is propaganda

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Speaker 1: from China. Now, why would China want to discourage Americans

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Speaker 1: from getting married. Aren't they afraid of independent girl bosses

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Speaker 1: and fifty year old men who act like they're twenty

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Speaker 1: in the club. It's believable that a video like this

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Speaker 1: would come from an adversary because deep down, no matter

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Speaker 1: how many videos Chelsea Handler puts out on how much

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Speaker 1: she loves sleeping alone, we know that marriage is.

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Speaker 2: A worthy goal.

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Speaker 1: Couples who are married are more successful, they make and

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Speaker 2: There's just an array.

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Speaker 1: Of benefits to getting married that are not debatable, and

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Speaker 1: that maybe China doesn't want our people to have there's

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Speaker 1: also just, you know, being around someone you love and

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Speaker 1: all very nice. I can tell you that I bought

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Speaker 1: into this lie in my twenties, before I started dating

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Speaker 1: that I had gotten accidentally married.

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Speaker 2: Somehow.

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Speaker 1: I was immature, and yes I was dating the wrong people,

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Speaker 1: Kids were so boring. I did not want to be boring.

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Speaker 1: that line in the old movie when Harry met Sally

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be free and available to fly to

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Speaker 2: Listen, while I had a good time.

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Speaker 1: In my single days, stuff like that really didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: I'm much more likely to take a trip to Paris today,

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Speaker 1: a lie. Stability and family life opens doors to happiness

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Speaker 2: Through the drudgery and the trips to Paris.

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Speaker 1: The other lie is that you have to pursue your

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Speaker 1: sold to men. This is absolutely backwards. When you have

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Speaker 1: and pursue opportunities. Married men make more money than single men,

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Speaker 1: on her career. I know that that trope exists. I

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Speaker 1: person is often also the luck of the draw. You

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Speaker 1: have to be open to it, yes, but there's some

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Speaker 1: luck involved. As I said earlier, I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: is not. If you're a single person, whether a man

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Speaker 1: I get it. I know marriage is the best, but

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Speaker 2: I totally get it. I see you. I'm rooting for you.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not easy, and I hate that you

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Speaker 1: get criticized for being unmarried. I hope that the advice

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Speaker 1: you to be a part of it. My final comment

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Speaker 1: and that's not a bad thing, but I think it

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Speaker 1: needs to be clarified that, sure, marry young if you've

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Speaker 2: We'll get more.

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Speaker 1: Into all of these ideas in future episodes, and I

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Speaker 1: do hope you listen along. If you'd like for me

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Speaker 1: to answer your questions or offer my advice, the email

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Speaker 1: is Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com, and I'd

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Speaker 1: love to hear from you. My guest today is my

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Speaker 1: friend Buck Sexton, co host of The Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Buck, Hey, Carol, how are you good?

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Speaker 1: Did you petition to make it the Buck Sexton and

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I always liked to be the guy that everyone can

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Speaker 2: The thing, I don't make any petitions, So.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 1: You know, I feel like I know you quite well,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't know the answer to some of these.

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Speaker 2: So did you always want to be in radio? Definitely,

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Speaker 3: I was somebody who was a CIA officer because I had,

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Speaker 3: you know, nine to eleven happened, and I just was

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Speaker 2: And so senior year, I mean it happened.

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Speaker 3: When I was a sophomore, I was studying Midi's politics

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Speaker 2: Everyone else was like, I want to go to Goldman Sachs.

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Speaker 2: I'm want to go to a K and they're like,

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Speaker 2: what do you want to do?

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Speaker 3: Buck, And it was a little weird because I didn't

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Speaker 2: To CIA material right part of the CIA I was

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Speaker 3: So I just sort of, you know, did my thing

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Speaker 2: And I got the CIA job.

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Speaker 3: So I did that for years, and then I did

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Speaker 3: NYPD and Tellen's Division, and then long story short, Glenn

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Speaker 3: That's that's about ten years of my life condensed.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Glenn Beck.

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Speaker 1: Actually My very first time on TV was on Blaze

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Speaker 2: So, you know, long long road to get here.

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Speaker 1: Were we nice to you? There was a lot nice. No,

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Speaker 1: you guys were super nice. Yeah, it was you, It

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 1: So you have the best, the biggest radio show in

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Speaker 2: I think that in our business you have to.

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Speaker 3: You can really go astray and start to drive yourself

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Speaker 3: serve Rusha's audience every day because I still it's, you know,

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Speaker 3: an audience that Rush built over thirty thirty plus years.

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Speaker 3: So no, I mean, I'm writing a book right now

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, make this stop, make this stop. So yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: It's a little funny because she's like, so tell me

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Speaker 3: Blowing vape, smoke or whatever in my face when I'm

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Speaker 3: So it's funny because people are all this is my saying,

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Speaker 2: We could go Stern.

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Speaker 1: Howard Stern is all offended by this and thinks that

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Speaker 3: little bit back in the day in the nineties when

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, younger and everything. I always just

443
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Speaker 3: thought it was and I know, this is like, oh,

444
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Speaker 3: you're such a nerd. I just always thought a lot

445
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Speaker 3: of it was really distasteful and kind of mean.

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Speaker 2: And not funny.

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Speaker 1: I would have been okay with the crudeness if it

448
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Speaker 1: made me laugh, but it never made me laugh.

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Speaker 3: If you strike me as in good I always felt

450
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Speaker 3: like it was there was a level of the where

451
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Speaker 3: where it was kind of like mean humor for malcontents,

452
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Speaker 3: like people that want to see somebody humiliated and.

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Speaker 2: Laugh at that it was.

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Speaker 3: And look, I'm not a I wasn't an aficionado, but

455
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I've never been a fan. And so

456
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Speaker 3: now that he's like a lockdown free wants mask.

457
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it is trying to police Bobert and.

458
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Speaker 1: Like come on right, yeah, all right, We're gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: wrap up with some really easy questions like what do

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Speaker 1: you think is our largest societal problem in America?

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Speaker 3: Wait a second, Wait a second. I thought this was

462
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Speaker 3: like Rogan doing I get like three hours here and.

463
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Speaker 2: You know, you know, nice and fast, get all your

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Speaker 2: best advice.

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Speaker 3: And what is our biggest our biggest societal problem is

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Speaker 3: uh self obsession?

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's solvable?

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Speaker 3: Well, like any problem, the first step is understanding what

469
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Speaker 3: the problem is. I think as a culture we have

470
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Speaker 3: turned or what I actually say is it's actually not.

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Speaker 3: There are the American people, and this I would compare

472
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Speaker 3: to people all over the world that I've met interacted with.

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Speaker 3: American people in general are actually quite generous and have

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Speaker 3: a public spirit. That is, if it's especially if it's

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Speaker 3: not you know, for a lot of them, if it's

476
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Speaker 3: not compelled, they're very generous with what they want to

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Speaker 3: do for, you know, for their country. And but I

478
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Speaker 3: think the culture has become overwhelmingly self obsessed in a

479
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Speaker 3: way where now anyone who wants to sort of make

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Speaker 3: a good faith effort about how we can be better

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Speaker 3: towards others or how we can grow and things like

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Speaker 3: that's just all mocked and ridicule. Like it's just how

483
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Speaker 3: famous can I be on TikTok? How much money do

484
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Speaker 3: I have? What car do I drive?

485
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Speaker 2: How know? How hot do I look on Instagram? Like

486
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Speaker 2: all of this is kind of overwhelming because people.

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Speaker 3: Say, oh, it's always been like this, No, because now

488
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Speaker 3: everyone's kind of everyone's a brand, right, everyone thinks of

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Speaker 3: themselves as something beyond just who they are day to

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Speaker 3: day and how.

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Speaker 2: They interact with people.

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Speaker 3: It's now what is the online perception and the mass

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Speaker 3: media perception of who I am, even if you're not

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Speaker 3: a public person, because everyone's kind of a public person

495
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Speaker 3: now in some way. And so I think that that's

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Speaker 3: created some really challenging and really kind of negative feedback

497
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Speaker 3: loops and things like that. So that's, for a broad

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Speaker 3: stroke answer, that's not Joe Biden's ruining America, which I

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Speaker 3: could also say.

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Speaker 1: So would the buck Sexton plan be get everybody off

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Speaker 1: social media? Or what limit social media? Maybe limit how

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Speaker 1: we use it? What's the like you know you could.

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Speaker 3: Do The ancient Greeks were big into they were big

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Speaker 3: to moderation as a as a concept, right, you know,

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Speaker 3: And and that's something that I think is important. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think whether you're talking about your your alcohol intake,

507
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Speaker 3: your sugar intake, your just go down a list of

508
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Speaker 3: all these different things, it's about balancing it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I saw recently there was a debate.

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Speaker 3: I think Cernovich said something about sports, and all these

511
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Speaker 3: people get upset because he basically says, you know, why

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Speaker 3: are all these adult met obsessed with sports? And I

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Speaker 3: mean I largely agree with Cernovich as a side note,

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Speaker 3: and I think it is obvious.

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Speaker 2: I think this has become crazy.

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Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, if you want to watch a

517
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Speaker 3: football game on Sunday, fine, like you know, relax, kick back,

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Speaker 3: like I'll watch whatever TV. Sometimes I viewed as like

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Speaker 3: playing video games. Want to play a video game, fine,

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Speaker 3: play video game. But if you tell me that you're

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Speaker 3: going to spend all of Saturday and all of Sunday

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Speaker 3: watching and betting on sports and you're going to watch

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Speaker 3: three games each day and you can spend like nine

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Speaker 3: ten hours. Like it's excessive, right, So I think, what

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Speaker 3: was it? What was your initial pues? Now I'm running

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Speaker 3: off into how.

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Speaker 1: Are you solving? How are you selling the you know,

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Speaker 1: self obsession.

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Speaker 3: Just to tell to tell people to try to achieve

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Speaker 3: to a degree that can balance and balance and moderation

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Speaker 3: and things, and you know, think about taking a lot.

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Speaker 3: I think most of society can be boiled down to

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Speaker 3: a short term versus, like the fight between short term

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Speaker 3: and long term thinking, because most people assuming that they're

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Speaker 3: capable of baseline long term thinking, most people know deep

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Speaker 3: down that that's going to be better for them. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but it's it's you know, dealing with those sort of

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Speaker 3: initial impulses.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I wish I ate less chocolate. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you.

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Speaker 3: I just I love a little bit of chocolate here

542
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Speaker 3: and there, and sometimes it turns into a whole bar.

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Speaker 2: So that's my way of trying to solve things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we didn't even get into politics that much,

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Speaker 3: which I appreciate because these days, I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 3: politics needs it really beats people down. And I wish

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Speaker 3: it was. I wish it was a little more inspiring.

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Speaker 3: It felt more inspired. Instead, it just feels like we're

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Speaker 3: all in the middle of like a Yeah, do you

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Speaker 3: ever do you ever see a fight? I don't know

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Speaker 3: what kind of school you went to, but do you

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Speaker 3: ever see a fight that in school? That at first

553
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Speaker 3: was everyone's like, yeah, fight, fight, And then someone got

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Speaker 3: like really hurt.

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Speaker 2: You're kind of like, oh, God, like you know, someone

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Speaker 2: like hit their head on the ground or something.

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Speaker 1: Politician and that who's the which politicians are you talking

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Speaker 1: about there?

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Speaker 2: Who's getting their head beat in? I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're at a point now where

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Speaker 3: also people, really people are really wanting to see their

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Speaker 3: political opponents like locked up in a prison cell and

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Speaker 3: and shut off from their families and to be treated

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Speaker 3: like to be treated like a convict and all this stuff,

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Speaker 3: and like this is heavy stuff, and it's becoming all

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Speaker 3: very normalized, and it's like, oh, we just and this

568
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Speaker 3: is not a good place for.

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Speaker 2: Society to be in. And and I don't know how

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Speaker 2: that's something. I don't know how we turn it off.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how we get people to scale back

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Speaker 3: a little bit. And I'm somebody who for years has

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Speaker 3: been saying, you know, we need to like throw down harder,

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Speaker 3: we need to get more into the into the fight

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Speaker 3: on some of these political issues. But I mean, we're

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Speaker 3: now at a place where if the other guy doesn't

577
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Speaker 3: get thrown into prison, half the country.

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Speaker 2: Is going to be upset. And that's just that's just crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that should not place to be be

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Speaker 2: where we are.

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Speaker 3: So I know I've taken on more of your time,

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Speaker 3: look at and see, so we need to just see,

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Speaker 3: you know, Carol a radio host.

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Speaker 2: We will all talk forever because there's something a little

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Speaker 2: wrong with.

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Speaker 1: Those you podcast apparently I can cut you off at

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Speaker 1: any time, or we could just keep this rolling, you know, indefinitely.

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Speaker 1: But okay, my last question and here with your best

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Speaker 1: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives, Like,

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Speaker 1: what's the one thing that you recommend people do to

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Speaker 1: just better themselves better their own lives.

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Speaker 2: So it will sound.

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Speaker 3: I think tright, maybe a little bit, but I think

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Speaker 3: it's very true.

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Speaker 2: Protect your time.

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Speaker 3: I think people all themselves to get drawn into things,

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Speaker 3: or they feel like they have to do something, or

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00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 3: they feel like so and so wanted them. Your time

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Speaker 3: is valuable and you need to You're the only one

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Speaker 3: who can do it for yourself, right, I mean, unless

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Speaker 3: you've got like some chief of staff or something, you're

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Speaker 3: some big important person. Learning to protect your time, I

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Speaker 3: think is one of the most important and underrated skills

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Speaker 3: that people have, which includes things like you know, when

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Speaker 3: you're invited to something and you don't think it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be that fun and you would be better serve like

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Speaker 3: working on a project every weekend.

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Speaker 2: Like don't go. You love saying no to stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: I do love saying no to things that is.

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Speaker 3: This is also a fact of my reality in my life,

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Speaker 3: Like I just if I'm not looking forward to something

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Speaker 3: and it's and it's a like the craziest thing I

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Speaker 3: come across all the time are people who spend their

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Speaker 3: free time doing things they.

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Speaker 2: Don't really like. They're like, oh, it.

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Speaker 3: Was so hot at like the golf course, and I was,

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Speaker 3: you know, I was out there for like ten hours.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, why are you doing that?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Do something else? So protect your time is a mantra

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Speaker 2: for me. I think it's very important.

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Speaker 3: And that means the time you spend with loved ones

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Speaker 3: and family and protect some time to read. Every Everyone

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Speaker 3: thinks they read, Carol, most people don't read.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true. If you ask anyone if

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Speaker 2: you read, they'll go, oh yeah. I'm not saying can

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Speaker 2: you read.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, do you make it a point like I

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Speaker 3: fall asleep reading a book. I fall asleep reading a

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Speaker 3: book every night. Now, I'm not saying I'm some huge

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Speaker 3: yeah or something, but I just mean like it's a

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Speaker 3: part of my daily I will read for thirty minutes

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Speaker 3: before I go to sleep every night.

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Speaker 2: That's really awesome.

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Speaker 1: I mean I used to do that and then I

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Speaker 1: got married and that ended.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, well, when I.

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Speaker 3: Have kids, which you know, God God willing hopefully will

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Speaker 3: be soon, I may be up, you know, reading bedtime

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Speaker 3: stories instead, but I'll work on something.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Buck Sexton, Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: on my first episode. Loved having you on, and I

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Speaker 1: hope you'll come back when your book is out.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully it's a good book. Thanks Carol too, Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for listening today.

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Speaker 1: I hope you had a good time, and I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll join me next time on the Carol Markowitz Show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you