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Speaker 1: Welcome third Gang. On today's show, we'll look back at

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Speaker 1: Saturday's red and white practice. What stood out, who stood out?

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Speaker 1: Also a conversation about the offensive line. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson and his importance before been now from the

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Speaker 1: perspective of his teammates, exactly what does Hudson bring to

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Speaker 1: that group? Plus Josh Jones is taking every advantage of

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Speaker 1: the reps he's getting at right guard and Josh Miles

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Speaker 1: attention to him. Here in the preseason, It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: episode four fifty one, and it starts now. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two with Craig grigolew and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Mike Jarecki. Welcome to week three training camp. Better said MJ.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to game week. First preseason game is Friday. The

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys are in town seven pm here at State

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Speaker 1: Farm stadium, and yes, there will be pregame covers that

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Speaker 1: begins at three thirty on the Arizona Cardinals Radio network.

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Speaker 1: We finally get to see this team hit someone else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, at this point in training camp you

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Speaker 1: want to go against some other opponents, and the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: will have that opportunity over the next three weeks. You

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Speaker 1: got the Cowboys, the following length, the Chiefs, and then

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Speaker 1: they go on the road against New Orleans Saints and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hear all week it's time to go against

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Speaker 1: another team or another face, because these guys have been

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Speaker 1: grinding since the offseason and you can only do so

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Speaker 1: much hitting in training camp. But you know what's coming

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Speaker 1: out on Monday today? What would that be? The unofficial

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Speaker 1: depth shot? Yeah, the Bird Gang. I'm gonna say it

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Speaker 1: right now and I'm gonna say it all week long.

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Speaker 1: Whatever gets tweeted, Report talked about, pay zero attention to

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Speaker 1: the unofficial and let me stress unofficial depth charts. Basically,

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Speaker 1: if you've been out here, and in all seriousness, if

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Speaker 1: you've been out here to watch training camp, that's what matters.

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Speaker 1: Who's running with the ones, who's running with the twos,

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Speaker 1: who's playing special teams on those first units because those

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Speaker 1: players will make the team and be the backups. So

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Speaker 1: just use this unofficial again unofficial depth chart as a tool,

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Speaker 1: but it is not gospel well and it comes from

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Speaker 1: the media relations department with a little bit of help

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Speaker 1: from the coaching staff. But yes, correct. But a lot

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Speaker 1: of times, you know, we watch camp and then you'll

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Speaker 1: see a guy maybe second or third string, and then

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Speaker 1: some guys you just want to put at fourth string

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Speaker 1: fired up about the depth chart because I know what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen once the press release goes out and

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Speaker 1: bird Gang depending on what it already might be out,

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Speaker 1: but once it hits it's people are just gonna go nuts.

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't it doesn't matter. Rondel Morris. We'd be

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Speaker 1: funny though, if all of a sudden, just to play

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Speaker 1: put Kyler Murray second team and you elevate Colt McCoy

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Speaker 1: to first team, and that's certainly would get reckless. You

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Speaker 1: gotta make sure the networks and next week they'll have

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Speaker 1: ESPN here. You gotta make sure everyone's on the same page.

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Speaker 1: Be interested to see how the players. We know the coaches,

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Speaker 1: they have their own approach, but how the players approach

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Speaker 1: this week with three days of practice before game week.

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Speaker 1: Last week, six straight days of practice, the longest week

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Speaker 1: of training camp and acculminated with red and white practice

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. A good showing by the Bird Gang fifteen

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Speaker 1: thousand in attendants, including Governor Doug Doocey. Great moment before

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Speaker 1: practice began, and we've seen this annually now MJ. The

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl players from the season before get their jerseys

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Speaker 1: We were told Malcolm Butler wouldn't, but he was out there,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote big name players. But Buddha Baker earlier said, hey,

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Speaker 1: just saying I think you know. Cliff was asked what

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Speaker 1: about the fifty three man roster, And he thought that

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Speaker 1: Saturday was another evaluation day and when sometimes players are

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Speaker 1: played different when the lights are bright, you know, playing

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Speaker 1: in a real game, you know, not going against a

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Speaker 1: guy that's been beating you for two or three weeks.

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Speaker 1: So he said, you know, right now, that's still in

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Speaker 1: the evaluation. But I gotta think on paper, you know

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Speaker 1: who the first top forty five guys are. Now it's

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Speaker 1: a matter of how do you three or four running backs,

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Speaker 1: six six receivers tight ends. Now it becomes a numbers game,

439
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Speaker 1: and some of these guys are going to try to,

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Speaker 1: you know, fill out the back of the roster. So

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Speaker 1: this is the evaluation and everything's been on, everything is

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Speaker 1: filmed in practice and all the different drills. So now

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we'll see when the brights get

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Speaker 1: light and you can finally get into it. Like Marco Wilson,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is his first game, you know, Zaven Collins.

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Speaker 1: I think Zavan and Isaiah Simmons have to play, don't you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just to get the reps and to see what even

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Speaker 1: if it's basic offenses and that's all vanilla at least

449
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Speaker 1: to get out there get the call from Vance Joseph,

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Speaker 1: tell everyone else what the call is, and then make

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Speaker 1: any adjustments that is necessary depending on what the formation

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Speaker 1: is that the offense breaks the huddle, you know, an

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Speaker 1: extra tight end or a wide receiver. It's a different look,

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Speaker 1: and they have to be the eyes and ears and

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Speaker 1: let everyone know to get everyone on the same page. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll start following the Cowboys this week. But

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Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't play Dak Prescott and clearly they're

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Speaker 1: trying to get him the week one. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: look at Corey Peters, He's probably not going to play

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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips. You hope that he plays. I do think

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Speaker 1: a j Green and roundel Moore are making progress, but

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Speaker 1: I'd be curious to see if if Dallas doesn't play

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Speaker 1: their starters, how much did the Cardinals play they're starters.

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Speaker 1: Now you got to find out what you have on defense.

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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of new faces, but again it's

466
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Speaker 1: more about the evaluation and again, injuries. You just don't

467
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Speaker 1: want to see any injuries, and so you got to

468
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Speaker 1: protect yourself a little bit here. One note. One more

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Speaker 1: note from the run White practice as far as special

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Speaker 1: teams and punt returners, Greg Dortch, who we already talked

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Speaker 1: about offensively, Joejoe Ward and Andy is Abella they were

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Speaker 1: fielding kicks, and Keishawn Johnson, James Wiggins gunners. And I

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Speaker 1: do find it interesting that Keishawn is a little bit

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Speaker 1: more involved in special teams because you know, we haven't

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Speaker 1: brought his name up much, but Trent Sherfield was that

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, but he was active because he played on

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Speaker 1: special teams. Is there a wide receiver that maybe doesn't

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Speaker 1: see offensive snaps, but you're active because you play on

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Speaker 1: special teams. Is that Keishaw Johnson, Is that Andy is

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Speaker 1: abellt or is that someone else? Well, right now, I

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Speaker 1: gotta think it's Keyshawn Johnson because if something happens in

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Speaker 1: ag and Green, I gotta think he's the backup there.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to run some ten personnel, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: change personnel. He'll get some opportunities on the field. And

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Speaker 1: right now, I mean he's he's ahead of Andy Isabella

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Speaker 1: just based on what he can do. And I think

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Speaker 1: to Cardinals and Kyler Murray and Cliff Kingsbury, I think

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Speaker 1: Andy Isabel has had a good camp. I can literally

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Speaker 1: say that you're not going to catch you at the ball.

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Speaker 1: I just think Keyshaw Johnson has more upside and he

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Speaker 1: so far has taken advantage of those opportunities that he's

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Speaker 1: been given. And with Isabella, you're riding that roller coaster

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Speaker 1: because sometimes he will flash and then sometimes you know

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Speaker 1: there's a penalty, there's not where he's supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: I still feel whether he's on, you know, in sweats

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Speaker 1: every game, I still think he'll make this roster. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're ready to give up on him. Now.

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Speaker 1: We need to see it. It's you know, it's obviously

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Speaker 1: you know, Christian Kirk's got to stay healthy. And I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you brought up the punt return in the gunners

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Speaker 1: there because usually Rondel Moore will be taking those reps.

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Speaker 1: But you know, again, you got to have some backups,

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Speaker 1: like he keeps talking about, you know, guys getting his opportunities.

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Speaker 1: If you're a wide receiver or running back, you have

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Speaker 1: to play on special teams if you're a backup. And

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Speaker 1: speaking of special teams, how about Matt Prador looks very,

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Speaker 1: very good and he was asked about the skinny goal

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Speaker 1: posts and something that he has used now for a while,

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Speaker 1: and they're nine feet wide, so just under half his

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Speaker 1: wide as the regular uprights. But he's been doing this

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Speaker 1: as a visual exercise. Quote, I like practicing at those.

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Speaker 1: When I look at those all week, go to the

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Speaker 1: stadium Sunday, they look huge with respects to the goal posts.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's it's interesting. It's something that you know,

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Speaker 1: I haven't noticed, but it's a tool that he uses

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Speaker 1: to get ready for Sundays. And once he signed here,

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Speaker 1: they they purchased that equipment and they headed in Tempe

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Speaker 1: and then they bring it to State Farm Stadium five

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Speaker 1: for five long forty two yards. Now, I communicate with

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Speaker 1: a gentleman in Detroit and they're they're gonna miss Matt

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Speaker 1: Prador like Bullock was. He couldn't even hit like forty

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Speaker 1: five fifty yards, which is not a chip shop. But

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Speaker 1: he told me he thinks praytors better from fifty yards

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Speaker 1: than he is from forty to forty nine. And we

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Speaker 1: didn't see Praytor kick from that distance the Laturday, but

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Speaker 1: we have seen him warm up to where he is. Yes,

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Speaker 1: fifty plus and I'm talking, you know, fifty five, fifty six,

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Speaker 1: fifty seven you know, and that's now a conversation that

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury's gonna have to have because a year ago was well,

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Speaker 1: let's go for it because we don't have that confidence.

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Speaker 1: Now it's okay, maybe there's a real decision. How is

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Speaker 1: the offense flowing? Does he have confidence in gaining this

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Speaker 1: two or three yards? Or hey, we know we've got

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Speaker 1: someone on this guidelines waiting to get in to give

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Speaker 1: us three points and now you're waiting. Okay, keep the

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Speaker 1: drive going, or let's get three and get the defense

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Speaker 1: on the field, all right. Do you remember his first

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Speaker 1: press conference so when he talked about, you know, going

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Speaker 1: on the field and he had no idea what the

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Speaker 1: distance was on his record breaking kick. Yes, yes, Aaron

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Speaker 1: Brewer was a snapper. It's I was listening to WILF

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Speaker 1: today and they played that cut and he's like, you

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Speaker 1: don't think he knew what the distance was and he's

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Speaker 1: calling out Jay Feely like you're run on the field.

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Speaker 1: But he said he when the ball was being snapped,

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Speaker 1: the guy's like, this is going for a record. He's like,

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Speaker 1: thanks for telling me right now. Yeah, I think you're

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Speaker 1: just worried as a kicker where to spot the football,

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Speaker 1: what kind of Yeah, you know, climates, you know as

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Speaker 1: the wind blowing or whatever. I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: you look as far as what yard line? Are you

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Speaker 1: just looking like, Okay, it's a long ways away. I'm

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Speaker 1: really gonna have to put some emphasis in this kick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he's not the biggest guy. I mean, he's got

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Speaker 1: a different approach. He doesn't take a lot of steps.

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Speaker 1: He lines up and you know, obviously he got the

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Speaker 1: Aaron Brewer and Andy Lee. So but that's interesting. I

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Speaker 1: wonder why it's forty to forty nine is a little

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Speaker 1: bit more of a struggle than fifty yards because we

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Speaker 1: know that he's money when it comes to clutch kicks.

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Speaker 1: Now hopefully you know, I don't know about fifty yards,

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Speaker 1: but he's gonna have to make those forty two to

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Speaker 1: forty five because that was an issue with Zane last

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Speaker 1: year and kickoffs, which we've talked about. He said he

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Speaker 1: has no concerns and mentioned that it was the Lions

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Speaker 1: decision for him not to kick off. But he is

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Speaker 1: perfectly capable of kicking the ball deep or kicking it short,

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Speaker 1: depending on week to week. You know what the plan

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Speaker 1: is from Jeff Rogers, I trust Jeff Rogers. They do

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Speaker 1: have a relationship prior. So yeah, I mean, you'd like

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Speaker 1: to see a guy booted on the end zone every time,

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Speaker 1: but there's gonna be games where you kick it high

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Speaker 1: and you hope he doesn't get to the twenty five

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Speaker 1: and sometimes you're in the directional kicking hopefully it doesn't

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Speaker 1: go out of bounce, because I think you take that

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Speaker 1: at to forty. It's like you said, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a great point. It's going to be based on the

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Speaker 1: opponents and how well the return game is. And I

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Speaker 1: think Dallas has got some speed guys this week, so

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Speaker 1: she'll be interesting to see how the coverage is. Bird

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Speaker 1: podcast for more information. All right, let's kind of look

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Speaker 1: and discussed the offensive line those five guys, and really

589
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Speaker 1: you're probably looking at eight or nine that are responsible

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Speaker 1: for keeping Kyle the Murray upright and making sure Chase

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Speaker 1: Edmonds and James Conner have runching lanes on Sundays. But

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Speaker 1: the one name that we keep bringing up is Rodney Hudson.

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Speaker 1: And we had a chance to hear from coach Coogler

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Speaker 1: who called it a no brainer to add a player

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Speaker 1: like Hudson. And yes, once again quote the center position

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Speaker 1: was something that needed to be approved upon it end quote.

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Speaker 1: And that was something that very early on in the

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Speaker 1: offseason Coach Coogler brought up. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it was a red flag, but it certainly wasn't something

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Speaker 1: that I had considered or discuss yet. Mason Cole, yet

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Speaker 1: Lamont Gilliard. They seem to be capable. But perhaps maybe

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Speaker 1: looking back at the film, hey in the interior, we're

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Speaker 1: giving up too much pressure up the middle. We need

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Speaker 1: to get stronger, and not just the strength, but how

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Speaker 1: about getting someone with some experience. And that's where Hudson

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Speaker 1: comes in as far as being able to survey the defense,

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Speaker 1: helped make the the line calls and then be that

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say a security blanket, but be that guy

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Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray trusts and help along bring along someone

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Speaker 1: who's been there, done that. And that's where a Q.

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Speaker 1: Shipley was so vital that first season to be that

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Speaker 1: guy who has seen things on Sundays that Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: just had not seen Mason Cole. I mean, you know

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Speaker 1: the fact that he was a guy that you know,

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Speaker 1: had the opportunity to get a chance to start, but

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Speaker 1: he was just getting pushed around. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: we want to say he was the weakest link. I

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Speaker 1: thought when Shipley was here, he was the glue. Okay,

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Speaker 1: yes he was going against these defensive tackles, but he's

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Speaker 1: a blue collar type guy. He's gonna play the echo whistle.

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Speaker 1: But when you get the weakest link, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: there's leakage at right guard and j R. Sweezy Bus

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Speaker 1: is hard. He played through a lot of different injuries

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Speaker 1: and now you're mixing and matching there. Luckily Beacham played

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Speaker 1: all sixteen games. So yeah, I mean, when the way

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Speaker 1: I look at it is Coogler talked about that second

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Speaker 1: unit should be just as good as the first. We

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Speaker 1: know that the money and where those guys were drafted

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Speaker 1: in trades, they obviously have more Cachet, But I think

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Speaker 1: they can roll out eight or nine guys right now.

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Speaker 1: And it was interesting because you know, we talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, Josh Jones. I'm excited that Cardinals were to

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Speaker 1: have him. Last year he played sixty one snaps more

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Speaker 1: of an extra blocker he does play on teams, and

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Speaker 1: now with Brian Winters on the shelf, he's been justin

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Speaker 1: Murray and justin Murray. Yes, he's been getting a ton

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Speaker 1: of reps there. And I think right now, I mean,

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Speaker 1: depending on when Winters for Murray come back, I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are the these are the guys. They're gonna have

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Speaker 1: two new starters on the offensive line, center and rank guard. Well,

641
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: if it's Murray then because he finished the season as

642
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: the starting right guard. But I think we're getting to

643
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: the point now now. Googler said Winters and Murray were

644
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 1: short term injuries, and again we're not getting a lot

645
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: of information when it comes to injuries. So short term

646
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: is that you know, be ready by week one. Who knows,

647
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: But at this point it does seem like Josh Jones

648
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: is in the driver's seat to be the starting right guard,

649
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: right and we'll wait and see because you know, if

650
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: you're Winners, and we don't know the you know cliffs

651
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: that basically he'll be back for the opener. I wanted

652
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: to paraphrase though, So now you're gonna get into football shape. Okay?

653
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: To me, Josh Jones has taking a ton of reps,

654
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: and in the perfect scenario, Winners would be your backup

655
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: guard along with Max Garci your backup center, and then

656
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 1: possibly Justin Murray could be your swing tackle. In the

657
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: perfect world, Josh Jones at right guard beach him. So

658
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: that's what the Cardinals are looking at. And again I

659
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: think they can go nine deep there. And one guy

660
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: we haven't mentioned, And you and I were watching practice

661
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, is he making plays out there? And

662
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you hear Cooler say that

663
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: Josh Miles is the most improved Cardinal from a year ago. Yeah,

664
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: the six six or excuse me, number sixty six, he's

665
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: sixty five three twenty five pounds, your seventh round draft

666
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 1: pick from twenty nineteen and seventh round picks twenty nineteen.

667
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: Well that's Kyle the Murray's class. And I think Josh

668
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: Miles has kind of gotten lost in the shuffle. But

669
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: you're looking at the leap from that twenty nineteen to

670
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one to where not only is it Kugler

671
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: bringing up Josh Miles, but teammates are bringing up Josh Miles.

672
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: And Kugler brought up that he felt that Miles was

673
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: going to be more of a developmental talents and we've

674
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: kind of heard that with Michael Manette as well as

675
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: far as the center position. And maybe you're not ready now,

676
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: but down the road. And Kugler has been pretty open

677
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: about offensive lineman. There are very few that can come

678
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: in day one and be starters that sometimes it does

679
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: take two three years before you understand speed of the game,

680
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: understand the game itself as far as what has asked

681
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: of you. And Josh Miles is that guy that, according

682
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: to Kugler, the dividends of him are paying off. Quote

683
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: he plays with an edge. And now that depth that

684
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: you talked about, well, now you throw in Josh Miles

685
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: as another guy. There's nine offensive lineman that you know

686
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: this team likely here as we talk in early August,

687
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: are set to make the team. Yeah, Miles worse number

688
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: sixty six. He's actually running second team behind DJ Humphries.

689
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: Now again you get to game day. I don't know

690
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: if he's going to be active, but he's a guy

691
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: that's part of the future. You know. Obviously Humphries is

692
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: only twenty seventies under contract, but I wonder if he's

693
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: a guy you can move over. But I think they

694
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: wanted him to get set at left tackle because it's

695
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: a different I set from left tackle the right tackle.

696
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: So but again, that's good for the future because what happens,

697
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: Craig is these guys don't get it into three point

698
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: stance in college. They run the spart offense and with

699
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: the hash marks, it's tough to really try to you know,

700
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: we know teams the running back situation, they'll have two

701
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: backs and they just throw the you know, the option

702
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: to him. They get to the outside, so you're really

703
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: not getting in the trenches now. You know, give Josh

704
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: Jones credit at the University of Houston, he played left

705
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: tackle and they want to say forty four to forty

706
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: five starts and they ran the ball a little bit

707
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: more even though they still had that spart offense. So

708
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: you just don't see the development. Now you look at

709
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: a couple years ago, is draft worse backed in Willis

710
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: and Andrew Thomas Struggle. But all three of those guys

711
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: have really panned out and their fixtures for their team

712
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: at the tackle position. Yeah, when you're talking about high

713
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: first round picks, but when you get to the back

714
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: end of the first round, or even day two or

715
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: day three, that's when you're rolling the dice. If you're

716
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: counting on them to play right away. Well, Evan Baine

717
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: is an example, Mason Mason cole Toner. Those guys were

718
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: throwing the mix a lot earlier. And really these guys

719
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: that come out of college, and Evan Bain was a wrestler,

720
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes they just don't have the body to

721
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: take the withstanding. So but those are a few guys

722
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: I would agree they were second to third fourth round

723
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: picks and they couldn't stick around because they were throwing

724
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: in the mix too early based on injuries. And Jones

725
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: is making the transition from tackle to guard, which is

726
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: very difficult to do. As Coogler mentioned, you know that

727
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: it's a lot faster and maybe less asked of you

728
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: as far as pass protection is concerned, but that transition,

729
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, we always talk left side to right side,

730
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: but going from tackle to guard, and I thought it

731
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: was interesting when DJ Humphries was asked about it, and

732
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: look at someone, you know, in his own shoes, like

733
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: if he was that player in year two was asked

734
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: to all of a sudden play guard. As Humphries said, quote,

735
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: I would have looked at them like they had three heads,

736
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: because you know Humphreys back then and he's a lot

737
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: more mature, but to a certain extent, he was stubborn.

738
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to play this and this is

739
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: what I do. And now you have Josh Jones. Now

740
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: it's the first round pick versus a third round pick,

741
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: but someone that is willing to do whatever it takes

742
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: for himself first of all to get on the football field,

743
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: and then whatever it takes for him to help the team. Well,

744
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: I think it was very clear when Coogler talked about,

745
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, they got to get better at center, and

746
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: I think he was also talking about the right guard position,

747
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: so Josh Jones been getting reps there. He also was

748
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: getting reps at right tackle. I don't know if he

749
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: was ever officially the swing tackle because he and when

750
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: you play on the right side, Craig, that's teams run

751
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: the balls more to the right side because you don't

752
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: have that legitimate pass rusher. Now that the pass rushers

753
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: and the outside linebackers a little bit thicker, but that's

754
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: where your run game really is going to be effective.

755
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: And that's why you have a guy like Josh Jones,

756
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: got good size and Calvin Beacham nothing against the left side,

757
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: more finesse with Humphrey's going against the left, you know,

758
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: with the better pass rushers inside, you know, pewing them

759
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: got their work cut out with these defensive tackles. Put

760
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: normally you run the ball to the right side. And

761
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: I really like the size between and I'm glad that

762
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: Jones is getting reps next to beach him. We talked

763
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: about Winners, you know, playing with him in New York,

764
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: and so you know right now it's a two man

765
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: race until Winners comes back. Well, and the thing about

766
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: the experience, one man race until Murray comes out. Yeah,

767
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: And with Jones, now you as you as you sit

768
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: there at right guard, You've got Rodney Hudson to your

769
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: left and Calvin Beacham to your right. And look, if

770
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: I've got a question, if I'm Josh Jones, I can

771
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: look to my left or I can look to my

772
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: rights and You've got two very, very good offensive lineman

773
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: who've played in this league for a long time and

774
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: ask questions, Hey, am I doing this right? Where should

775
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: I be? And I'm sure both of those Hudson and Beacham,

776
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: are really taking Josh Jones and elevating him to where

777
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: he is now. You're starting right guard if this team

778
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: had to play tomorrow, and they don't obviously, but you know,

779
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: give Josh Jones credit as well, but he's surrounded by

780
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: a lot of experience which helps. Yeah, I'll say this,

781
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: Usually the center is one of the smartest guys in

782
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: the team, and just based on his intellectual listening to

783
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Calvin Beecham, High Football IQ, High Football IQ, from a standpoint,

784
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: he knows that he may get beat, but he only

785
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: gave up one or two sacks last season, Calvin Beacham,

786
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: I believe you. According to Pro Football Focus it was

787
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: less than five. I know that fact, but I think

788
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: just three sacks sacks that's perfect. So again, just listening

789
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: to him talk, you can see he dives into their playbook.

790
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: But usually your center is one of the smartest guys

791
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: in the team, and I think we're starting to see

792
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: the upside of what Rodney Hudson can do for Kyler

793
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: Murray in this offense. Well, how about this from Humphries

794
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: asked about Hudson and called him almost like the captain

795
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: of the ship and someone that can steer this team

796
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: in the right direction during a drive, especially when things

797
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: go a little faster, which they did on Saturday, and

798
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: Humphries brought up that, you know, things were kind of

799
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: little chaotic, and Hudson stood up and say, no, what,

800
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing. And then as Humphries said,

801
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: this is a long quote, but I want to read

802
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: it Bird Game because I do think it tells you

803
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: how much of an impact Rodney Hudson can make on

804
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: this offense and specifically the offensive lot Humphries quote, when

805
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: you're going so fast, sometimes it's kind of hard to

806
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: communicate everything. You always need somebody who's confident in themselves

807
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: and confident in what they're doing and understanding foot ball

808
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: so well that they can just put us in a

809
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: direction to get everything smoothed out and handled for that play.

810
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about it when we get to the sideline.

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00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: He has talking about Rodney Hudson that mental recall to

812
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: be able to remember all the stuff that went on

813
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: once we get to the sideline. So having a dude

814
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: like that just makes our job that much easier. End quote.

815
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: We don't hear a lot from Rodney Hudson. He's very

816
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: quiet when he speaks to us in the media, but

817
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: it does sound like his voice is loud and clear

818
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: in the meeting room and maybe more importantly on the

819
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: football field, because yes, it's about the quarterback, but the

820
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: offensive line. It's from this middle out and Rodney Hudson

821
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: is going to direct this offense because nothing can happen

822
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: MJ until he snaps the football. So he is the

823
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: last word as far as looking at the defense to

824
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: try to get everyone along the line where they're supposed

825
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: to be. When you went through some of our superlatives,

826
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: you know who's the best signing. What did you label

827
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: Hudson the most Horton Sunny, biggest impact, the most important

828
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: offseason move specifically for Kyle Murray, And I went big picture.

829
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: I said, the biggest move of the entire offseason for

830
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: me was Rodney Hudson. And then two on a lesser note,

831
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: Cult McCoy and Matt Prador. Yes, because I mean hopefully,

832
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean if the Cardinals getting these close games and

833
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: they got to kick field goals. That's going to be

834
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: the difference from a year ago. And then if something

835
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: happens to Kyler Murray, Colt McCoy's going and that's a

836
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: big difference from Chris Traveler. So those maybe you know,

837
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: backup quarterback and kicker listen, injuries occur, But I am

838
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: really thrilled about Matt Prador. It's just a matter of

839
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see how Cliff decides a goal for

840
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: fifty yards forty five yarders or his team can start

841
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: a score more points in the red zone. Yeah, experience matters,

842
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: and you know, you hope to never see the backup quarterback,

843
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: but if needed, you've got someone who is capable. But

844
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: more importantly, it's what he's doing off the field. And

845
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: with Matt Prador, yeah, games come down to a kick

846
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: and how many one score games this team played and

847
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: how many games this team lost last year because a

848
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: field goal was not successful? And in with Hudson, it's

849
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: just being the anchor, if you will, and making sure

850
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: everyone is on the same page and you keep going

851
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: in a straight line. But if you should veer off

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Speaker 1: course for whatever reason, which Humphrey's discussed on Saturday that

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Speaker 1: so even though he's a new guy, that that position

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Speaker 1: his entire career as far as what he has done

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Speaker 1: team All Pro in twenty nineteen and buy a lot

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Speaker 1: of those metrics out there. The best center in the game.

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Speaker 1: And it's fortunate for the Cardinals that he was available

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Speaker 1: and they pounced on him. Yeah, and I think Malcolm

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Speaker 1: It just seem more in the run support. I mean,

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Speaker 1: So I think they address some areas to where they

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Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, so he brings some experience to that position.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got Robert Alford and Murphy, So I

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Speaker 1: D line, corner, backup, quarterback, kicker, like things we don't

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Speaker 1: always talk about. Yeah, And the first opportunity to see

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Speaker 1: this team in game action this Friday State Farm Stadium

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys in town seven pm is the kickoff

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Speaker 1: three thirty pregame on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network. And

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Speaker 1: as how much and maybe who will see action in

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Speaker 1: that preseason opener. And on that note, let's put a

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Speaker 1: lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Honday,

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Speaker 1: our executive producer, Jim ma'ma hundred for Mike Jarecki. I'm

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