1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,399 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: Just take a breath. Hi, Hi, what a fun little 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: start to wind down. Guys. What's going on? I we 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: always have to start this with a deep breath and deep, 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: deep deep. You got anything to share? A kb H. 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: Nothing that's not toxic? So oh well, welcome to wind out. Exactly. 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: It's fine, it's fine. Are you in the brigatiers? Nope, 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: don't say that because that makes me on. 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 3: She wasn't. 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 4: Damn did you hate when that happens at my doctor? 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 4: I went into my guano yesterday and my therapist like 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 4: gently suggested, She's like, I think maybe you should talk 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 4: to your kynecologists about options for drugs. Yeah, and then 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 4: that made me cry because but I just got off. 15 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 4: And then and then when I went into my therapist 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 4: or then I went to the guy, no, she was like, 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 4: all right, let's She's like, all right, see your anxiety, 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 4: talk to me about it. 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: And then I just like started crying. 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 4: And she's like and I was like, I just I 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 4: don't know if I just need to talk about it 22 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: or like I just need to Like she's. 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: Like, what your therapists that you hear I just talked 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: about it in therapy. 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: So I know y'all have like a mental breakdown last week, 26 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: but I want to start with. 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: You to talk about your mental breakdown. 28 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 2: I like to talk about other people's mental good I 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: don't feel like it's a mental breakdown. 30 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 5: I just am maybe start with Channa, Okay, let start 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 5: with me. 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 3: Start with your I was doing. 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: I was going to lock it up, and then you 34 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: had to say the words do you want to cry? Yeah? 35 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: I should say what Alan's dad says, are you greeting you? 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: She wouldn't understand and she wouldn't cry. 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: I was on FaceTime with Ballan's dad and mom mom 38 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 4: the other day and he's like, even greetan or I 39 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: can't say. I can't do Scotland, I'm Scottish. I'm just 40 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: gonna just pretend it's whatever. I go Russian, I go 41 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 4: Russian British, like I cannot do Scottish. But he's like 42 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 4: a greeting and I'm like that's when I was like, yeah, great, 43 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 4: people like hello, goodbye. Like it's so silly. He's like, no, 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: greeton means crying in Scottish. 45 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know that I'm greeting greeting greetings from 46 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: KB on wine down. I don't know what I'm turned 47 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: down over here, So I don't want to really talk 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: about mine either. 49 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: If you'll just report. 50 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: Mine like the news and mentally I'll just detach and 51 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: that it's not even that big of a deal. It's 52 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: just frustrating. M Okay, I'll go with mine. It's okay, 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: it's okay. 54 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no's like god, I just love not being hormonal. 55 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: It is overly apparent when you have the most part 56 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 2: pregnant woman. You know, this is why jar and I've 57 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: always done pregnancies together, because we got to lean in. 58 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: Poor Cash Warren Man. 59 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 4: I mean, he's he's well, but then again, he's got 60 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 4: Jessica Alba, you know, who's you know, amazing in the 61 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 4: mom and so she he probably is gonna get the hormones, 62 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 4: but we gotta lock it up. 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: Who's going. Essentially, what happens to me is I have 64 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: a hard time asking for help, and so I've been 65 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: encouraged by couples therapist, amy therapist, everyone lean in, try 66 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: to get help, that's all. And I feel like, I 67 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: I feel like reliable help is hard to find. 68 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 5: M H. 69 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's an age thing, I don't 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: generationally meaning, I don't know if it is an expectation. 71 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: I just try to lean in. And I already don't 72 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: trust anyone, and I don't think people are helpful. That's 73 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: really a big statement, but it's true. And so then 74 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: I feel like when I'm let down, it's just consistently 75 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: reinforcing that, right, because you ask for help today and 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: the kids are now here, uh huh in the other room. Yeah. Yeah, 77 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: So that's my story. Is overslept, right, which happens. It happens. 78 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: It's eleven o'clock, though, And so I know that's what's 79 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 2: hard for me, because I don't think I've ever had 80 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: and this is nothing to gets hurt. I just think 81 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: we're just living in a very different world. I never 82 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 2: had the luxury of not waking up to an alarm 83 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: my entire life. I have had jobs since I was fifteen. Yes, 84 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: I have had. I overslept for my morning show one time, 85 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: and I almost got fired. And so I'm just definitely 86 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: afraid of that. Yeah, and so yet even still today, 87 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: with that coming in, I packed up three children and 88 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: drove thirty five minutes and still got here right when 89 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: I was supposed to, and I just it's hard for 90 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: me to understand. And someone can't wake up at eleven. 91 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: Well, but it's hard because the heart, the thing that 92 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 4: you have a hard time doing, you then get let 93 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 4: out and you're like, see, that's why I don't ask 94 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 4: for help because no. 95 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 5: One's let it. 96 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: I literally wrote it to you in capslock. Yeah, no 97 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: one is helpful. Yeah, that's how I feel. And it's 98 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: hard for me to like not feel that way. I 99 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: just don't. I don't know. 100 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: Fair I hate that because there are a lot of 101 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: helpful people. 102 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: Do you that you feel that way? 103 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: Well? 104 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: And the other thing that I have, Yeah, that's been 105 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 2: kind of an issue is I have I share a 106 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: babysitter with someone else, and I feel like that is 107 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: not consistent. I just I just don't know. I feel 108 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: like sharing sitters is a very tricky thing. It is, 109 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: and I tried that and it didn't work. I know, well, 110 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: it's not working for me either, because one's not the 111 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: shared this is just and she's really wonderful person. Uh huh, 112 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: she's just sleepy. Yeah. Well, you know it's interesting though. 113 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: How old is she almost thirty? Oh? Okay, well then 114 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: that's interesting even more. No, like and she's great last 115 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: you should be up you know before. But sometimes but 116 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: also people have things like right, like I can't sleep 117 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: because I'm an anxious person, but some people just really 118 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: need a lot of sleep. 119 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: Oh I do, But I'm going to be there. I mean, 120 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: I don't mean that to be mean, but like I 121 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: love to sleep, you love I love to sleep. But 122 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: it also works since I was like twelve right now, 123 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to be there on time. 124 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But it's not to be mean. It's just 125 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: it really has nothing to do with her. It has 126 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: to do with the belief that I have that no 127 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: one is helpful, and it's just reinforcing things like this 128 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: happen for sure. 129 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 4: When it actually comes true, then it's like, see that's why. 130 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 4: And then it's just very defeating. 131 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: Wildly defeating, because I'm like, I'm postpartum. I've already today, 132 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: I've already taken both my kids to the dentist. I've 133 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: cleaned my house, I've started laundry, like I'm making things 134 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: and I've done it all by myself today. And so 135 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: the one part that I'm leaning in and to not 136 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: have that is just like it's speaking of the dentist. 137 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 4: I went yesterday thinking that I was going to have 138 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 4: like five root canals because my teeth, Like I have 139 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 4: this on tooth that's been hurting, and I'm like, well 140 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 4: I didn't this is gross, but like the water and 141 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: mint made me want to vomit first trimester, so like 142 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: I couldn't brush my teeth like I just use wisps. 143 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I don't know. I was making fun of me. 144 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, nobod, you don't understand. 145 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 4: Like I would try and then I would gag and 146 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 4: then I'd puke, and so it just wasn't worth. 147 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: The like extra puke of the day. Yeah. 148 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just would always just use the wisp 149 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 4: And then I started to get a toothache and I 150 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: was like, oh no, I'm going to be in so 151 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 4: much like if I have to get like a root canal, 152 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 4: so into the dentist like terrified yesterday. I don't like 153 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 4: the dentist to begin with, but I was like, oh 154 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 4: my god, it's going to be over. And then he 155 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 4: was like, you did a really good job for not 156 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 4: brushing your teeth for three months. 157 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: I was like, hey, so is the pain from pregnancy 158 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: because I felt like so this is what he said. 159 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: He said a lot of He's like, he goes, everything 160 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: looks good. He's like, where you're saying the pain is 161 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: is under a cavity or like it's a cavity tooth. 162 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: So he's like, nothing look looks like it's cracked or 163 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: seeping or anything. He's like, I can't do anything anyways 164 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: because you're pregnant. He's like, but a lot of women 165 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: are very when they're hormonal. It hurts more your teeth. Yes, 166 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: I felt that, like I was afraid I had cavities 167 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: or I was afraid something was like bad. 168 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 4: But then I feel bad because then we started. He's like, 169 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 4: well hopefully I go, oh, well, I got a cavity 170 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: like on every tooth, and and I brush my teeth. 171 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 4: I'm good with brush my teeth. But it's apparently it's 172 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 4: a genetic thing to have bad teeth. And so it 173 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: makes sense now because my daughter she has two cavities. 174 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 4: She's seven on her adult teeth. So I'm like, oh, 175 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 4: I gave it to my daughter. Yeah, Like you know, 176 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 4: like when you're the worst thing you've given your daughter. 177 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 4: We're breaking a lot of generations here. And you're like 178 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: the check up and it's like, oh, dad'side dead said 179 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: dead side, And then I'm like, but you don't have 180 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 4: to put there's no. 181 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: Teeth on that one present side. I don't know anything. 182 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: It's like born in some hospital in the middle of nowhere. 183 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: He doesn't even have a birth certificate. Somebody was just guessing, Oh, 184 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: so I called you yesterday, Yeah coming back born you did? 185 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 186 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: Oh didn't see it. 187 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 4: So when I went to my gaiano yesterday, we have 188 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 4: to move up my c section date. But we have 189 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 4: a problem with that move update. I know nothing about 190 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: a scorpio. Man, Oh, this is right on brand for 191 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 4: a day. Nothing I know? 192 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: Is it bad? Oh it's not that well even Gemini girl, 193 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: I know, do you remember the process? I went sort 194 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: of like, even it's nothing. It is so silly to me. 195 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: It's something you know what mine are? 196 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: What? 197 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what my kids are? 198 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: Good? You what are you? 199 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 4: That's why kidding, that's why she doesn't know. She's like, 200 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 4: that's right, fair, No, I actually have no idea about 201 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 4: a pisces. But yes, he's dirty. When she said that, 202 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 4: I was like, I got you know, I was excited 203 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 4: that we got to move it up. 204 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: A little, but also I was like, that's not such dirty. 205 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: I know SAgs. I am one. That's how I feel. 206 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: I had a Capricorn daughter. I am one. I had 207 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: a Leo's son. My husband's a Leo, and then we 208 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: just had this little tiebreaker with the twin personality. Well, 209 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 2: so I did a little googling and they say, a 210 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: scorpion man is like very he's got like two sides. 211 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: He's like a shape shifter. 212 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 4: And I was like, fabulous, very passionate, yes, loyal and stubborn, yes, 213 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 4: but has like a dark side. 214 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: Well it's called scorpion, scorpio scorpion. Yeah. 215 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 4: So I was like, I'm gonna call Christian the stings. 216 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 4: It's okay, we're gonna be fine. We're just stewarding everyone 217 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 4: as well as we can. Everything is fine. Well, we 218 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 4: can have the scorpio and in the Gemini. 219 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: Can you imagine if I got married TBD TVD. 220 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 4: All right, so we're gonna take a break and then 221 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 4: we're gonna get cash worn on. I hate to say this, 222 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: but it's the truth. But like, he's Jessica Albo's husband, 223 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 4: but I'm sure he hates that title. 224 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,479 Speaker 2: Did you know I didn't even know he was Jessicala. 225 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: I did. 226 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 4: I love Jesscalba, so I like know, like her whole thing. 227 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 4: But I just love them because he's just so like 228 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 4: got it. He seems to have it all like together, 229 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 4: and oh. 230 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: Maybe he can help us. 231 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 2: Maybe he can help us, or maybe he'll do together. 232 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: I do not have it together today. Take a break 233 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: and give him up. 234 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 3: Hello, Hi there. 235 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: I'm Jana, Hi Janna, I'm Kristen and I'm Catherine. 236 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 4: I just love you. I just have to say that. 237 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 4: I've I've always loved you. I think you're great. 238 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: I just I'm like, find you a cash, you know 239 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: what I mean? Like that's kind. I was like my motto, 240 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: find me a cash. 241 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 3: You know, that's so sweet. I appreciate that. 242 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 4: I'm serious, Like you're just we met before. I don't know, 243 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 4: but Hi, hi there, I mean because you're Are you 244 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: still in La? 245 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: I am, yes? Are you guys in La? 246 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 4: I was for a very long time. I was there 247 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 4: from two thousand and two to twelve, but then I 248 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 4: went back right before COVID. It's like my ex husband 249 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 4: and I we went back there and then we had 250 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: our second kid and then we're like, screw it, let's 251 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 4: go back to Nashville. 252 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: So now now I'm in Nashville. Now we're in Nashville. 253 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: Ah, that's a fun city. I love it. 254 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, we all of your people are moving here. Do 255 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: you want to move? 256 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: I know, I sure do. 257 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: Come on down over. Would you ever move out of LA? 258 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 3: You know? 259 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 6: Growing up, I split my time between LA and France, 260 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 6: So I definitely. My mom moved to France when I 261 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 6: was three years old. Or no, she moved there when 262 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 6: I was six years old. No, sixteen, divorced when I 263 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 6: was three. She moved there when I was six, So 264 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 6: I have definitely lived outside of LA for half of 265 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 6: my life. I have no attachments other than my kids 266 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 6: being in school, and I just you know, I have 267 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 6: a tenth grader now, a seventh grader and so and 268 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 6: a little one going into kindergarten. So I just it'd 269 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 6: be tough to move them in high school. 270 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 2: Sure. 271 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: Yeah? 272 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: How is that age difference? 273 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 4: Because I have an almost eight, almost five, and then 274 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 4: I'm pregnant with a third. 275 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: Thank you announced it on my daughter's birthday? I did, yes? 276 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: How is so? How is that like age difference? 277 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: Because I'm like, oh my from my youngest to my 278 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 4: other one, it's going to be you know, almost eight, 279 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 4: it'll be all be eight years. 280 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have a ten year gap. It's been great. 281 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 6: My twelve year old's more helpful than my fifteen year 282 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 6: old with with her five year old brother. But the 283 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 6: gap is has been nice. 284 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: I think. 285 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 6: So fifteen, twelve, and five they each had their moment, 286 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 6: you know, each of that like had their own time 287 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 6: and dieers. We didn't have two kids and diapers ever. 288 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 6: They were like they each had. 289 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: Their time to shine, and so I haven't minded it. 290 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: It's been pretty nice. 291 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 6: Although this last one, the five year old, we were 292 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 6: like in the clear. We were ready to like be 293 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 6: empty nesters and like girls were getting older and it 294 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 6: was all good. And so now we're we hit reset 295 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 6: and so this five year old we got a long 296 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 6: way to go. 297 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: M no, I hear you. On that beginning of this 298 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: episode was me talking about that because I have a 299 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: seven year gap in a nine week old right now. 300 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 301 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. So we're in the thick of it, and it's 302 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: crazy because everyone was tying their shoes, filling their own 303 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: water bottles, kind of like getting themselves in the car 304 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: and then we're like rewind all the way back to 305 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: the beginning. Yeah, but that gap is so helpful. Though 306 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: the gap is helpful, don't you feel a little bit 307 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: like you just soaked up the third one differently? 308 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 6: Yes, I appreciate it. Even the early stages were before 309 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 6: I couldn't wait to get out this third one. I 310 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,239 Speaker 6: kind of have been soaking up every last. 311 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: Bit that's really special. 312 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: Like this. Yeah, you know, you know the rough times 313 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: do pass. 314 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it's your last so at least 315 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: for us. 316 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm going to that hospital and taking everything out 317 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 4: like the most massive promise ever. But the theme of 318 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 4: like the start of this episode was like we have 319 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 4: a hard time, well, she has a hard time asking 320 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 4: for help. I have to and just pass things because 321 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 4: they feel like when you ask for help and it 322 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 4: doesn't happen, you're just like, this is why I just 323 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 4: need to do everything myself as a guy. And I 324 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 4: please know I'm not stereotyping you at all. Having said that, 325 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: I welcome to do with this. You are on a 326 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 4: podcast with three girls. So I just I just feel 327 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: like when it comes to again, this is it's different. 328 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 4: I think now with my fiance, like when I when 329 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 4: I ask him for help, it actually gets done, and 330 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 4: it's I'm not used to it. 331 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you want? 332 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 4: Like, it's just it's a weird thing, right, But with 333 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: my ex husband and it would just never get done. 334 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 4: And so I'm like, well, I just learned and then 335 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 4: not asked for help and I would just do it, 336 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 4: but then I would get it resentful, right because I'm like, 337 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: I can't rely on He was like, I've seen this movie, 338 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 4: so like what what husband are you? 339 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: What husband do you think you are? 340 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: And what husband? 341 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: And your wife thank you are cash for? 342 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 6: Oh well, that's a good one. I'm a good sous chef, 343 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 6: so kids aside. In the kitchen, I'll chop, I'll set 344 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 6: a table, I'll wash dishes. I'm not the most creative 345 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 6: guy in the kitchen, but I'm a good soux chef, 346 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 6: so so that I do know, and with the kids, 347 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 6: I'm I'm super active, you know, because my mom moved 348 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 6: to France when I was six. I was raised by 349 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 6: my dad. He was like my mom and my dad, 350 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 6: and I mean he drove me to school every day, 351 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 6: made my lunch every day, picked me up, took me 352 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 6: to all my sporting and he worked a full time job. 353 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: And so you know. 354 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 6: That's all I know really is to be involved and 355 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 6: to be active. I used to say, I'm gonna go 356 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 6: on a crusade to like kill the two or mister mom. 357 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 6: I'm like, it's just being a dad, Like just just 358 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 6: like be involved, be there, be consistent, and I you know, 359 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 6: I hope my kids feel that. I think Jessica would 360 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 6: say he loves to disappear in his man cave. 361 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: He loves. 362 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 6: If I don't give give him a list of things 363 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 6: to do, he will have no problem watching sports all 364 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 6: day long and et cetera. 365 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: But no, I'm super involved. 366 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: That's funny because sorry not to cut you off, but 367 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: my husband is also super helpful. But I have to 368 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: tell him like it has to be laid out, and 369 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: I literally today I send him this meme. It's like 370 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: my husband would never cheat on me because I'd have 371 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: to plan it for him and remind him. 372 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: Of it seventeen times. I literally just sent him that 373 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: before this. 374 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: Yep, that is literally mostualty. Sorry anyway, this might be 375 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: too soon to jump into this, but one of the 376 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: things that my husband and I talk about in the 377 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 2: list that happens and I'm always like, well, you could 378 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: help here, is laundry. And ironically, your undies are in 379 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 2: my laundry room. That is going to be That got 380 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: everyone a little more interested. 381 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm going to. 382 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: You have dominated my laundry rooms. So do you want 383 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: to talk about a Pair of Thieves? 384 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 4: I do. 385 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 2: So. 386 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 6: I started this brand, Pair of Thieves about nine years 387 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 6: ago with two buddies, one kid I went to high 388 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 6: school with and another kid from call They went to 389 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 6: college together. And and our goal with it really was 390 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 6: just to build a new basics brand, something that was comfortable. 391 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: You know. 392 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 6: We would borrow trends and kind of uh technical aspects 393 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 6: from the high end market and and and we would 394 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 6: redevelop them in a way that made them more affordable. 395 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 6: And so we're a premium brand, but we're sold in 396 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 6: mass retail. It's called Pair of Thieves. We make underwear, 397 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 6: we make socks, we make t shirts and tenure. You know, 398 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 6: we started the business. I don't know if you guys 399 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 6: get into how much business stuff we started it. We 400 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 6: each invested around fifteen hundred dollars, so a thousand bucks each. 401 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 6: We never raised another dime. We have no investors in 402 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 6: the business, and we'll do around one hundred million this year, 403 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 6: and so it's a it's a really it's turned into 404 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 6: kind of this like underdog brand that like nobody's really 405 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 6: heard of, but it's it's turning into quite a business. 406 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 3: I couldn't be more proud. 407 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: Well, we used to spend a ton on I don't 408 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: know if I can mention your competition. 409 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 3: I don't mind. 410 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 4: Isn't that isn't an undies because we oh no, what 411 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 4: was the other one essay XX was? 412 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. I used to spend way too much 413 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 2: money on. My husband is a tour musician, and they 414 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: would park their bus at Target, and so all of 415 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: a sudden, I'm starting to get this influx of a 416 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: lot of underwear and I'm like, what is pair of thieves? 417 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: And he's like, we're done with sex. We're not spending 418 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: another dime. He's like this is crazy. He's like these 419 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: are so good and they're so soft, So what how 420 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: do you we know how you just move up? But 421 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: how do you start from socks? And it worked their 422 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: way to Undy's. I just got that. I'm sorry, I 423 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: mean I really did want money here. From the toes 424 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: to the balls. 425 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, you move from your toes to your balls. I 426 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 6: put on my underwear before my socks. But we started 427 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 6: with socks and then moving down to where we were 428 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 6: looking at the basics category and kind of just basically, 429 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 6: you know, like there is a loyalty with men in 430 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 6: underwear that's different than socks, right, And so if I 431 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 6: open a guy's underwear drawer, there's a really good chance 432 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 6: he's gonna have one brand of underwear in that drawer, 433 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 6: or is in his sock drawer, he's gonna have a 434 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 6: ton of different brands. And so it was it was 435 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 6: really important important for us to get it right. We 436 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 6: always knew we wanted to move into underwear, it was 437 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 6: just a matter of kind of how and when. Because 438 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 6: we were self funded, we had limited resources, limited bandwidth, 439 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 6: and and so we took about two years to develop it. 440 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 6: But by the time it launched, it quickly became our 441 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 6: our number one revenue generator. 442 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: And and it's awesome. 443 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 6: You know, I never thought I would have a business 444 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 6: where I would be waking up to like naked selfies 445 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 6: from friends being like, dude, I'm wearing your ship, and 446 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 6: I'm like, it makes me so happy, it does makes 447 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 6: me so oh. 448 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 2: I love that. 449 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 4: And where did the Because I get the of socks 450 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 4: start as socks, like the pair of but where where'd 451 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 4: you get the thieves part? 452 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: Like who came up with that? 453 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 6: You know, like one of your socks always goes missing? 454 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 6: Who steals that sock? So that's how it started. 455 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, oh gosh, I love that. Good for you? 456 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: So how long? How long has this business been going? 457 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 5: Then? 458 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 6: So we launched officially in twenty fourteen, so this is 459 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 6: our ninth year, next our tenth anniversary. Target was our 460 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 6: first retailer, but now we're carried at a wide range 461 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 6: of retailers from Walmart and Target and Amazon to Macy's 462 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 6: and Nordstrums. 463 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 3: To Meyer fred Meyer. 464 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 6: We weren't about six thousand stores nationwide. 465 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: Now that's incredible. Where you where do you want it 466 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 2: to go? 467 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 4: And then you said you're branching on to other things now, 468 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 4: but it's like, do you want to do brick and mortar, 469 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 4: do you want to do more like clothes like active 470 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 4: wear all that stuff or what do you want? 471 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, we're not going to turn around and try 472 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 6: to go be a denim brand tomorrow, but we very 473 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 6: much look at ourselves as a lifestyle brand. And so 474 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 6: even though we do playing kind of really limited categories 475 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 6: of socks and underwear and T shirts. We still want 476 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 6: to tell lifestyle stories. So whether that's active, where performance, 477 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 6: where lounge, weear sleepwear, there's a lot of different lanes 478 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 6: that we can kind of expand into. We did women's 479 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 6: for about a year and a half because what we 480 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 6: were over fifty percent of our customers or women, and 481 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 6: so whether that's buying for a man in their house 482 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 6: or that's buying for themselves, we found that a lot 483 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 6: of women are buying our products for themselves, and so 484 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 6: we did launch a women's collection. We it did well, 485 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 6: but we quickly realized we just didn't have enough resources 486 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 6: to really support it. 487 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: You guys are. 488 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 6: Highly sought after customers with a lot of competition, and 489 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 6: we if we are going to do women's. 490 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: We need to do it right. 491 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 6: And so so we decided to refocus on men's but 492 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 6: would love to go back into women's one day. And 493 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 6: kids were all dads, and so we did this dad 494 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 6: kid matching sock that was like the cutest thing. When 495 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 6: we were looking out there special daughters, there was like 496 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 6: nothing out there for dads and daughters. Everything was like 497 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 6: dads and sons or moms and daughters, and so we 498 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 6: did the dad kid just to make it unisex and 499 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 6: and that was a lot of fun. And so kids 500 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 6: would be fun and women's would be fun, and then 501 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 6: expanding inside of men's. 502 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: I love that. Well, you let us know if you 503 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: need like a test group. 504 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 3: Yes, I know, wadly we. 505 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 4: Have lots of kids, and I definitely remember I think 506 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 4: we did something for parathieves, like. I don't know if 507 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 4: you guys ever did like an influencer thing, but I 508 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 4: kind of I kind of remember, like because I was like, 509 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 4: oh yeah, parathets like and then I think my ex 510 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 4: had them. Anyway, Anyway, we do a lot of influencer stuff, 511 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 4: you know, not primarily, but some of the time it's 512 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 4: around our give back initiative. 513 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 6: So we have a program called good Fits, which is 514 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 6: our social responsibility kind of branch, and inside of there, 515 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 6: we we've donated close to five million pairs of socks 516 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 6: to families in need with an organization called Baby to Baby. 517 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 6: We are partnered with Bring Change to Mind around mental 518 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 6: health for youth. It's you know, specifically around suicide prevention, 519 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 6: which is just really scary what's going on with kind 520 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 6: of teens and tweens today and then and then lgbt Q. 521 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 3: With Trevor Project. 522 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 6: We have a Pride initiative, and so perhaps there was 523 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 6: an engagement around baby to baby or bring change to mind. 524 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: I love I love that you also have that aspect 525 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 4: to in the giving back. That's that's always that's nice. 526 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 6: Yeah, And you don't use it really as a marketing 527 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 6: ploy for us. It's really like I'm philanthropic in my 528 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 6: own life. When we were building the brand, I very 529 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 6: much wanted it to be a reflection of us, and 530 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 6: so we picked causes that were near and dear to 531 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 6: our hearts. But with the team expanding, I've told everybody 532 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 6: at the company bring new causes. 533 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: To the table. 534 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 6: We're always looking to expand what we support, and even 535 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 6: if we're not talking about it publicly, like we're just 536 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 6: we're supporting and we're doing it right. And that's action 537 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 6: speak louder and words. I don't want someone to only 538 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 6: buy our product because of a give back. I want 539 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 6: them to love the products and then be pleasantly surprised 540 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 6: when they find out we're all so helping out. 541 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 2: It's kind of a reverse business model for our society though, 542 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: because I feel like people love to lead with their 543 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: good deeds publicly, So look at you, you sneaky little 544 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: angel man. 545 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 6: You know the reason was I actually I was like 546 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 6: so many people get for things that they support somebody. 547 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm allowed. 548 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 6: To cuss you, I'm sorry, but people get, you know, 549 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 6: get flack for supporting things or you know, you're you're 550 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 6: donating things to shoes to impoverish nations, and next thing 551 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 6: you know, you're getting backlash for not doting and not 552 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 6: donating enough or doing And I just didn't want to. 553 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 6: I would just wanted to do good and not get 554 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 6: not get any pushback. 555 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 4: I'm going to try and word this the right way, 556 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 4: So forgive me if I don't do it. 557 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: Great. 558 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 4: But you are obviously were successful when you met Jessica. 559 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 4: But was there ever a piece of you that you know, 560 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 4: because obviously she's got the honest business and she's Jessica 561 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 4: Alba and she's got, you know, a huge name for herself. 562 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 4: For my own personal past experiences, if I was ever 563 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 4: more successful than the guy, they would say they loved it, 564 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 4: But then it was the thing that was used against me. Well, 565 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 4: I cheated because as it was always about you and 566 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 4: your schedule and this, that and the other. And so 567 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 4: when you kind of walked into this relationship with Jessica, 568 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 4: did you ever feel like it was you know, just 569 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 4: about her? 570 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: Did? Like as a guy, like, how how did. 571 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 4: You kind of manage that knowing that, like, you know, 572 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 4: she is who she is? 573 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 3: You know is a really it's a good question. I 574 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 3: think that. 575 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 6: It manifest did I would say that yes, there was 576 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 6: definitely there was. 577 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 3: There was definitely something that like that I felt. I 578 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 3: don't know if it was. 579 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 6: Jealousy towards her, resentment towards her, but when we first 580 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 6: started we've been together twenty years now, so when we 581 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 6: first started dating, I was really jealous of that, like 582 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 6: other guys and the attention that she was getting from 583 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 6: other guys, and and it just wasn't making me feel good. 584 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 6: And it just did Like I was always a pretty 585 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 6: confident person in my own kind of walking my own 586 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 6: path and really really happy there, and next thing, you know, 587 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 6: I'm like looking up and just feeling jealous all the time. 588 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 6: And I was like, I hate feeling like this. I 589 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 6: don't you know, it doesn't make me feel good, and 590 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 6: I know it doesn't make you feel good. And and 591 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 6: we broke up four years in four years into our relationship, 592 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 6: we broke up. It was like just the jealousy I 593 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 6: was turning into an asshole. And and so we broke up. 594 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 6: And and during that that time of part I was 595 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 6: just like, if we ever got back together, like I 596 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 6: I'm promising, I like made a promise to myself to 597 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 6: like channel that into in a different way, into a 598 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 6: more productive way. And so the jealousy towards other guys, 599 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 6: I've never resent I've always always like cheered her. I'm 600 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 6: like her biggest cheerleader. And so I'm I'm I'm I've 601 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 6: never felt jealous of or or kind of resentment towards 602 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 6: her for working hard or if anything we got together, 603 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 6: I was like, you know, like don't make sacrifice, like 604 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 6: push pursue your passion, pursue your careers. Don't make sacrifices 605 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 6: because you feel bad for leaving the kids for this 606 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 6: week or that week, or like. 607 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 3: Eventually they'll grow up and and they'll. 608 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 6: Forget the fact that you were gone for these three 609 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 6: days or these five days. 610 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: Like we we we. 611 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 6: Live, we forgive, we forget, like you know, And so 612 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 6: I'm a biggest fan I'm a biggest cheerleader. I've I've 613 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 6: tried to be a good teammate in that regard. I'm 614 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 6: not interested in the spotlight. I don't have you know, 615 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 6: I'm not a star. I'm not a you know, I'm 616 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 6: not an actor. I've never tried to be an actor. 617 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 6: It's just I high five her, let her do her thing, 618 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 6: and and I've gotten. 619 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 3: More comfortable with it over the years. I guess, long, 620 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 3: long answer. 621 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 4: No, But you know it makes sense because I just 622 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 4: feel like it can be like hard for the guys. 623 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 4: It's like they like the power and the beauty in 624 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 4: this person, but then it's like, yeah, there comes resentment 625 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 4: and jealousy, and I think it's hard if you're not 626 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 4: secure and who you are in your manhood, Like it 627 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 4: can be challenging. I mean even like it was hard 628 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 4: for me even well well yeah, but I mean even 629 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 4: on the flip side, like when you when we go 630 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 4: do our tours, it's like Preston wants to be the star. 631 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: Well he yeah, because he is right, but like. 632 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 4: You deserve to like shine too, you know what I mean. 633 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 4: So it's like having that like balance in like all 634 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 4: of it. Yeah, I mean I felt the resentment, even 635 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 4: just like hanging up my own career to be a 636 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 4: stay at home mom because what he does, you know, 637 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 4: is the PM. 638 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: He's the breadwinner. And so I just until we started 639 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: doing this, I've just kind of been home and that 640 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: was I mean, it's it's it's interesting when you say 641 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 2: those words, because I mean that's just real life and 642 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 2: a very honest response. 643 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: It's human to feel that way. 644 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, yeah, And I think that it's something they 645 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 6: all like, I'll always be working on She'll always be 646 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 6: working on it. And we find ways where you know, 647 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 6: she can support me and she can uplift me and 648 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 6: kind of help help some of the Yeah, and we try, 649 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 6: we really do try to find that balance. I think 650 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 6: that there is no easy answer. I do think today 651 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 6: different than probably thirty years ago or twenty years ago. Today, 652 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 6: there are a number of households that have that are 653 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 6: two income families where you know, both parties are breadwinners, 654 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 6: both parties are working, you're both parenting. 655 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 3: And so it used to be. 656 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 6: How do the moms balance career in parenting? And the 657 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 6: dads would never get asked that question. Today, dads also 658 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 6: get asked that question because they recognize that both parents 659 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 6: are probably balancing career and parenting. 660 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 4: But I mean twenty years is like that's amazing, especially 661 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 4: in the Hollywood, you know world that you guys, Yeah, 662 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 4: exactly what is the thing that works? 663 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: Like why you know? Is is it love? Is the communication? 664 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 2: Is it their respect? 665 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 5: Like? 666 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 4: What is the one thing you can be like this 667 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 4: has been what we've been really really good at? 668 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 3: What are what is the one thing that we've been 669 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 3: really good at? 670 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 4: And just like keeping that strong foundation of twenty years, 671 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 4: I mean that's a that's a really like that's a 672 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 4: long time. 673 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,239 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, you know, one of the things that 674 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 6: I've thought a lot about recently is like the ebbs 675 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 6: and flows of a relationship. And so like when you 676 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 6: first start dating and you know you're together, and you 677 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 6: get into a fight, you make up right away, and 678 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 6: then you get into a fight, you make up a 679 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 6: couple of days later. And as the longer you're together, 680 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 6: those kind of disagreements or those moments where your energy 681 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 6: is just a little bit off, can those can last longer? 682 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 3: Right? 683 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 6: And so it goes from being like a one day 684 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 6: thing to a one week thing to a month, and 685 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 6: then the longer you're together, it actually can last even longer, right, 686 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 6: so you can almost you can go months where your 687 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 6: energy is just off. It's not like you're actively fighting 688 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 6: over those months, but your energy is off, and just 689 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 6: having the patience and the kind of the patience to 690 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 6: know that, like a eventually it starts to come back 691 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 6: together and your energy starts to get back aligned, and 692 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 6: and going through a few of those cycles, I no 693 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 6: longer get his nervous and kind of start looking at 694 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 6: the door, you know, I no longer get his nervous 695 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 6: when when you're drifting apart, so to speak, or you're 696 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 6: kind of your energy's off. I think she's felt very much. 697 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 6: She's a line there. And so when we're going through 698 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 6: those times, we you know, either give each other our 699 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 6: space that we need, we talk it out. We then 700 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 6: you know, maybe go on a date and I, like 701 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 6: you try to like do things to get it back. 702 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 6: And fortunately I've got a partner who's kind of right there. 703 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 3: Lock and step. 704 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 4: I love it. That kind of makes me think of 705 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 4: like you, you know what I mean, Like you're a 706 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 4: situation where it's like you and your she almost divorced 707 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 4: her husband, but like is because it just that resentment 708 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 4: was too many years, like no coming back together like 709 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 4: you can have you had the space, but then it 710 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 4: was no like reconnection. 711 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: Well it's interesting, he said, I no longer get scared 712 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: because it's like we were married for fifteen years, we 713 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: were going to get divorced, but ended up just being 714 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: separated for a couple months. But then it's like we've 715 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: had a little bit of a cycle now where it 716 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: is kind of feeling not now. I would say, like 717 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: over the summer that felt that way, And he kind 718 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: of made that comment like, well, I'm just like trying 719 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: not to get to a point where I'm scared or 720 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: like where I'm afraid of you know. So it's interesting, 721 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: like you have to talk through that, and because it does, 722 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: it can easily just get longer as you're married and 723 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: together longer. 724 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 2: It's interesting to hear that. 725 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 3: How do you keep your relationship kind of exciting? 726 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: Well, so we've been back together for a year, so 727 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: for us, a lot of it is just really the 728 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: communication part of it. We just got to a point 729 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: where we were not communicating and it was like I 730 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: need my space. So he got mad and went over 731 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: here to give me my space, you know, and it 732 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,479 Speaker 1: was like we couldn't figure out how to come back. 733 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: We did figure out how to come back obviously when 734 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: we were separated, but now it's just communicating and making 735 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: sure that we are doing date nights and just you know, 736 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: being more. 737 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 2: But we've got kids. 738 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's not excuse, but we're kids 739 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: are about the same ages as yours, and it's a lot. 740 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: It's busy. It's crazy. 741 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: It's like, how do we even find time in the 742 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: schedule to have a date night? But you know it's important. 743 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 3: I feel it's so scripted to something it does. 744 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 4: I know it's true, and that's a piece like yeah, 745 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 4: as like starting a relationship, I'm like, I don't want 746 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 4: to I'm like, I don't I don't want to fall 747 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 4: into those traps, but I know you're gonna there. There's 748 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 4: gonna be those like holes that you fall into. But 749 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 4: it's like scary because I'm like, I don't want to 750 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 4: mess up again and I don't want to fail again 751 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 4: because I feel like I have like a lot of 752 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 4: pressure riding on like this new beginning. But it's like 753 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 4: but it's also you know, it's life. We're going to 754 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 4: have setbacks and stuff, but they just haven't come yet, 755 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 4: So I'm just like, when are they coming? And I 756 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 4: just want to wear because it's how We're all living 757 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 4: together for nine months, so like you know what I mean, 758 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 4: And I got a baby out of it, so you know, 759 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 4: it's like things are like a little but you know, 760 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 4: I've just you know, but I mean Max and I 761 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 4: were together for seven years and you know, so it's 762 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 4: just it's it's, uh, it's way wildly different than my 763 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 4: last relationship. 764 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 3: Though. 765 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 4: There's so much more respect in this one, Like we 766 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 4: just he respects me and so then therefore I respect him, 767 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 4: and there was no respect in my last relationship. You know, 768 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 4: I didn't respect his choices and so therefore I spoke 769 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 4: ugly words and was not respectful to him either. 770 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 2: So it was just like such a toxic mess. 771 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 4: And it's like that's why I'm like, let's just be 772 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 4: so careful with our words, because I think anything you 773 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 4: do you can take back, but for me, words you 774 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 4: can't take back. Like if you were to say something 775 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 4: to me like that is like that is what I 776 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 4: remember the most as opposed to your action. 777 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, He's like, can we go back to These 778 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 2: three shakes have really let me into the sorority. Okay, 779 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 2: so tell us, tell us if you can do anything 780 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 2: for all of life? Your cash worn you. You look 781 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 2: like the sweetest little superman. You look clerk keinnish. You've 782 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: got you know this, great wife, three beautiful babies that 783 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 2: are not babies anymore. One's gonna drive soon, right, Yeah? 784 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 3: I got a teacher how to drive this year. 785 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, how do you learn to drive? 786 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 3: In La? 787 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 4: Let me ask that question, you pray, just jump in. 788 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 3: You gotta gotta do it. 789 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: It's probably the best place to learn how to drive. 790 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 2: Honestly, woof what were you going to ask them? Well, okay, 791 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: so I was going to ask if you could do anything? 792 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 2: If you if you can do anything? Like we just 793 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 2: we say cash now in this moment in time, what 794 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 2: do you want to be when you grow up? Like 795 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 2: you get to entrepreneur anything? What is it? Make anything up? Like, 796 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 2: make anything? It's okay if you're living it too, But 797 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 2: is there something that you're like this is the ultimate 798 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 2: because you've done so many It's like I just told 799 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 2: you my business is one hundred million dollars this year. 800 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 3: You're living it. I am I am, I'm I am, 801 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 3: I am. 802 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 6: I've been super I started my own business when I 803 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 6: was twenty five years old. So I started working for 804 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 6: myself at twenty five. And I've had tech startups, I've 805 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 6: done documentary producing, I've you know, done digital stuff, and 806 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 6: now I've got a pair of thieves and I've got 807 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 6: a beautiful family. Like, I love being an entrepreneur. I 808 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 6: love starting businesses. Even though I had no idea, I 809 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 6: knew nothing about the apparel industry, I jumped in head first, 810 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 6: like I just love the like taking an idea and 811 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 6: turning it into something tangible, like making it come to fruition, 812 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 6: like is my. 813 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 3: Favorite thing to do. 814 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 6: And so I love partnering up with really creative people 815 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 6: and like figuring out how do we bottle this and 816 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 6: sell it? 817 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 3: And so. 818 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 6: I am doing exactly what I would want to do. 819 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 6: I would like to play more golf. 820 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 4: Okay, so get that on the wish list and you 821 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 4: want to enjoy the fruits of it all? 822 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I would like to do that. Now, Yeah 823 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 3: I've lived. I'm doing it. I feel I feel what 824 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 3: about you? What would you guys be doing? 825 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,760 Speaker 2: It's a really isn't that like such a special place 826 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 2: to be though? Really, the contentment piece. It's such a 827 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 2: rare thing for all of us to just sit like 828 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 2: at A girlfriend called me yesterday and I said, her 829 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 2: dad used to say, you're like you answered her call 830 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 2: you just an answer mine? I called, I called you back. Okay, Hey, 831 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 2: does everybody want to We're gonna pin this because when 832 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 2: she's nine weeks, we're just gonna come right back. When 833 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 2: you just call them when I call you and you're like, 834 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 2: mascara's down your face. So my girlfriend yesterday, her dad 835 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 2: always says you're living the best days of your life 836 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 2: and you don't even know it. And I told her 837 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 2: yesterday was the first time I really have felt that 838 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 2: I've pulled back in the Nashville circle a little. Like 839 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 2: I'm a country wife, so there's a lot of that, 840 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 2: and I've just kind of have gone like what is 841 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 2: important to me, Like who are my real people? Pour 842 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 2: into my real people, spend time with my real people, 843 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 2: do things, enjoy but like it's a really special place 844 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 2: to be in where you're just I said, I'm I 845 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 2: just feel like I'm living the best days of my life. Yeah, 846 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 2: well every day we're allowed and breathing is you know. Yeah, 847 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 2: But like I keep saying, we live in such an 848 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 2: unsatisfied society as kind of a whole that I feel 849 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 2: like we're always like what's next, what's bigger, what's next? 850 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 2: You know, and sometimes it's okay to say you just 851 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 2: want to play golf. I would love a babysitter. So 852 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 2: since we're just putting things into the universe, I can 853 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 2: get you a babysitter. 854 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 6: Canter. Yeah, we have some good folks in Nashville. 855 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 4: Well, Cash, anytime you and Jess are here, called her. 856 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 4: Just you know that we're like money. Whenever you guys 857 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 4: roll in and whenever here in Nashville, let me know, 858 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 4: let us know, and you guys can Bill will take 859 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 4: you out on the town. But everyone who's listening, go 860 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 4: buy Para Thieves for your for your hobby, and and 861 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 4: Cash says thank you. 862 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 3: So I certainly do. Yeah. Our head of sales, Michael 863 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 3: Cole get a shout out to Michael Whole. He lives 864 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 3: in Nashville. 865 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 2: Okay, well I need to talk to him. Was missending 866 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 2: a lot of money on your brand and I would 867 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 2: love to support. But if there's a way that you 868 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 2: guys could cover our ass too, that would be great. 869 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 3: I really love you, buddy, I will gladly do that 870 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 3: the best. 871 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for coming on. 872 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 3: Thank thank you so much for having me. I can't 873 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 3: wait to meet a person. 874 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 2: You'll make a tea time buddy. We love you. Oh 875 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 2: my god, I love him. We were so today. I 876 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 2: know he's like, oh well he has daughters. I love him. 877 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 2: You guys, He's just good and I'm just likeding my 878 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 2: cheeks hurt from smiling. Well because he smiled. He's you 879 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 2: guys are happy. Speaking of which, because I know my 880 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 2: looks keep getting published on this podcast. My reaction, Yes, 881 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 2: this brought to you by I was kidding, bubbly, hi you. 882 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 2: I love that. By the way they look here you 883 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 2: hey you. I always say I feel like he has 884 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 2: resting happy face, but he's in like a happy yeah 885 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 2: one thousand percent. 886 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 4: But also when we were doing the interview, I'm like, 887 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 4: you know how you thought like Amy's relationship is perfect? 888 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 4: Like when I look at him, I'm like, he looks 889 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 4: like the best husband. There are things and he even 890 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 4: said that, right, but don't even like it's like they 891 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 4: just look like the. 892 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 2: Happiest, go luckiest, Like I'm like, what helpful. 893 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: Are still the most from like y'all are like still 894 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,439 Speaker 1: romanticizing about me. We are hopeless, hopeless romantic YEA. 895 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 4: Well, I kind of feel like I'm still in that 896 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 4: because I'm still in that season with my with. 897 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 2: My Maybe it'll always be that way. It'd be great. 898 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah, I don't know, TVD, TBD. Well, you, guys, 899 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 2: I'm kidnapping my husband this week in for his birthday. 900 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 2: It's a surprise and he doesn't know it. Sweet, oh 901 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 2: good this weekend? Ye, where are you going? Just it's close. 902 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 2: We're just going to stay close, but a little overnight 903 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 2: and some dinner and because I need it, so I'm 904 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 2: disguising it as a birthday gift to him. You have 905 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 2: a babysitter. I do. I have a do and a baby. 906 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 2: Two alarms different one. Al Right, guys, good luck with that, 907 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,720 Speaker 2: have fun and see you next week. Bye bye,