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Speaker 1: Hello, I am Rosie Knight. Welcome back to X ray Vision,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 1: comics and pop culture. We're here at Ihart Podcast where

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Speaker 1: we'll be bringing you three episodes a week every Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: Thursday and Friday, plus news on Saturdays. In today's episode,

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Speaker 1: we went to comic on Yep, we went to San

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Speaker 1: Diego Comic com Baby. We sat down with the Gene

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Speaker 1: Roddenberry Company and their podcast Does It Fly to bring

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Speaker 1: you another episode of You're Wrong Friend? How much science

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Speaker 1: fact is required to make good science fiction? This conversation

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Speaker 1: immediately jumps the rails when Nikem temporarily forgets which side

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Speaker 1: switching back to his original argument in the second round.

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Speaker 1: We hope you enjoy the chaos which I tried to

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Speaker 1: vamp and riff on as well as I could. Guys,

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Speaker 1: and what made this conversation really impactful with the insightful

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Speaker 1: questions that you are fans brought to the conversation. Then

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Speaker 1: I sit down with shin Godzilla director Shinji Higuchi for

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Speaker 1: a chat about seventy years of Godzilla and the beautiful

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Speaker 1: new four K remaster of Shin Godzilla and now our

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Speaker 1: San Diego Comic com panel with Does It Fly?

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Speaker 2: Bye.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jollet Monique.

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Speaker 3: We're really excited to hear comic Con. We've got two

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Speaker 3: mega podcasts here. Okay, it's Extra Vision Rosie and Jason Rasil.

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Speaker 1: Hey, that's us.

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Speaker 3: We're over and I heart podcast. We're talking movies, TV,

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Speaker 3: comic books, whatever you like. We're talking about it and

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Speaker 3: of course, yeah does it Fly.

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Speaker 1: They're get to be a science based facts okay.

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Speaker 3: They're checking the scripts and making sure stuff would actually

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Speaker 3: work and getting down into the nitty gritty of it.

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Speaker 1: So we come here today.

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Speaker 3: To play a game. It's called Your Wrong Friend. Now,

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Speaker 3: this game was born out of love but also.

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Speaker 1: A need to be right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So in order to play this game, here's what happens.

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Speaker 3: Somebody proposes a prompt, your friend says that's wrong. We

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Speaker 3: debate about it. It's a good time. We didn't want

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Speaker 3: clear winners, so we're mixing up the teens. It's a

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Speaker 3: battle of the sexes, everybody.

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Speaker 1: No, just.

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Speaker 3: So today our battle is does science fact improve science fiction?

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Speaker 1: Do you need facts in your movies and your TVs?

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Speaker 1: In order to make it good to share your opinions.

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Speaker 1: Having to get to it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, they're ready, that's what realized, or you don't

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Speaker 3: do that fiction improving it is that advancing science.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna get into it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna run through the parts of the game.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you guys how you're gonna help, and

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna play.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So first we're into opening statement statement Jason Tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: They're each gonna get two minutes to deliver an opening

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Speaker 3: statement for their individual teams and tell us why we

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Speaker 1: In their statements.

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Speaker 2: M okay.

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Speaker 1: But then you're a wild friend.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Rosie and a Keing, they're each gonna get

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Speaker 3: four minutes to respond to these opening statements. Then judges questions.

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Speaker 3: I'll kick us off with one question so that you

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Speaker 3: guys get an example. But that's where you guys come in.

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Speaker 3: You are our judges, so you get to go to

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Speaker 3: the mic and ask them a question. Okay, these guys

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Speaker 3: are gonna have one minute answer each one person from

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Speaker 3: each team one minute to respond, okay, and that's the game.

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Speaker 1: At the end, we'll.

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Speaker 3: Decide together with a paddle Okay, we're flying high on facts.

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Speaker 4: I may dan with the fiction.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into it all right, who wants to go first?

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Speaker 5: We're gonna go horsehack.

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Speaker 1: Com Jason, since you played the game, do you mind

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Speaker 1: kicking this off?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Okay, give me Ki a seconds, pull up my timer.

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Speaker 1: Hold on. That means he's gonna say something really well.

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Speaker 4: I do have a scientist sitting to my right, so

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Speaker 4: it is it's only right and well that I will

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Speaker 1: Okay, for gentlemen, it's begin Music is math. Music is mass.

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Speaker 4: Of course, science improves science fiction because you need that grounding,

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Speaker 4: fancy that we all do love so much. Now listen,

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Speaker 4: Is it a hard economy? Do I say that? For

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Speaker 4: anchor basis in actual science. Our ability to fly faster

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Speaker 4: But the ability to give form to these wonderful flights

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Speaker 4: of fancy is something that I think improves sci fi

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Speaker 4: and draws us in, does it not when you say, God,

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Speaker 4: can you is that actually possible? Could that happen? Could

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Speaker 4: look at different areas of science quantum physics, for example,

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Speaker 4: yet magical at once. And so I say, yes, of course,

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Speaker 4: science fact improves science fiction because it shows us just

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Speaker 4: how magical the real world actually is.

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Speaker 1: To everybody. Food. I've seen a lot of fly and

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Speaker 1: high people are lying into it. Okay, okay, awesome, fantastic Stotlaw,

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Speaker 1: you have the floor.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, I don't disagree with most of what

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Speaker 2: an eternal nerdy student.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't believe how much preparation Tamarras put into this,

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Speaker 1: Like it's unbelievable. She has like a book up hit dissipation.

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Speaker 2: So stories give meaning beyond facts. If you listen to

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Speaker 2: the podcast, you know I like my quotes. The world

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Speaker 2: is not made of atoms. It is made of stories,

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Speaker 2: said poet Muriel Rockeiser, And that captures how narrative truth

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Speaker 2: can resonate more deeply than scientific data. Accurate facts and

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Speaker 2: why it matters. It turns raw information into meaning. So

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Speaker 2: that's the first reason story gives meaning beyond facts. The

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Speaker 2: second reason story can sometimes from science is because shared

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Speaker 2: stories create shared culture.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we are all here at Comic con right,

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Speaker 2: Beliefs and values are built on shared narratives that bind

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Speaker 2: going to gain significance only when it's woven into a

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Speaker 1: So that's number two.

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Speaker 2: Number three, storytelling inspires hope, and it shapes the future.

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Speaker 2: Great story spark the imagination and we know that better

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Speaker 2: us to envision the possibilities before they become a reality.

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Speaker 2: Throughout history, it is inspiring stories of what could be,

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Speaker 2: from mythic dreams to science fiction that is catalyzed real

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Speaker 1: So, okay, all right, I love it again.

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Speaker 3: With time to spars, we have our two debates on

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Speaker 3: the floor.

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Speaker 1: Hakim, are you ready?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I is all right, We're ready for your Remuddal

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Speaker 3: say it's Mississippi.

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Speaker 7: First off, you know I'm with Tomorrow And if you

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Speaker 7: don't know, she actually has a theme song. It goes Tomorrawa,

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Speaker 7: I love you anyway.

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Speaker 1: When you're a redheaded child growing up.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so just take the names of our podcast. X

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Speaker 5: ray vision. That ain't a thing, right.

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Speaker 7: Imagine you know the I is a cassive sensor, right,

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Speaker 7: Imagine if your eye was sensitive to X rays, what

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Speaker 5: When I look at you? Nothing?

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Speaker 7: It will be pure blackness because X rays can't really

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Speaker 7: If I got an X ray vision powerful, powerful, that's

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Speaker 7: a different ability. Man, Does it fly? We're talking about space.

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Speaker 7: Nothing flies in space. Fly ain't a thing in space.

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Speaker 7: Flight requires lift and thrust. Right, that's why you're not

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Speaker 7: weightless in an airplane like you are in space. Right,

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Speaker 7: in space, you're weightless because you only have weight when

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Speaker 7: what do we call that? We call that falling?

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Speaker 7: So, if someone ever ask you, mom, dad, how much

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Speaker 7: do not subscribe to the position that you hold.

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Speaker 7: You know, we are human beings and we live by story,

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Speaker 7: comes to entertainment. Yes, we nerds can get into a fistfight, right,

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Speaker 7: who's more powerful, Superman or Crypto?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've seen it, right, this is entertainment.

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Speaker 7: We love this and these stories you know they power

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Speaker 7: us and you know Tomorrow's right, he.

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Speaker 1: much Joel? How much more does Keema do it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Rodie, are you ready now that you've

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Speaker 1: the incredible preparation, as always do science stories need to

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Speaker 1: This big debate, go that in a line behind the mic. Yes,

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Speaker 1: on fire.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for a question. Appreciate you coming.

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Speaker 1: What the stround on the pauses? We've got lots hello

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Speaker 1: in a while, though, what is your question? Hello there?

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Speaker 11: First, I want to say, Rosie and Jason, I'm so

447
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Speaker 11: glad you guys found a home on iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 12: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It was the longest time waiting for you guys to

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Speaker 1: come back. I'm really happy to see you here.

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Speaker 11: So I want to spark another division along the Star

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Speaker 11: Wars sci fi fantasy good the bait, and I want

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Speaker 11: to ask you guys about Dune, whether or not you

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Speaker 11: think that's a sci fi or fantasy, especially when you

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Speaker 11: unspool some of.

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Speaker 1: The later later novel okay, and some of the weirdness.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to just start with a

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Speaker 1: really simple thing that is absolutely going to derail this.

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Speaker 1: But I seeing not a conversation where we were dealing

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Speaker 1: what is science and what isn't science fiction. The opening

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Speaker 1: idea was like, it has to have some kind of

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Speaker 1: science that is intrinsic to the story and is explained

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Speaker 1: early on Jurassic Park that's why it's still surely in

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Speaker 1: that sci fi Kagri. That's how we worked out. I

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Speaker 1: think that complicates June. Let's just say with a Butlerry

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Speaker 1: and g had everything. Jason.

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Speaker 4: I think Dune is a sci fi fantasy into Star Wars.

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Speaker 4: There's almost no technology in it. Yeah, it's still been

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Speaker 4: killed off, except you know there's still suits.

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Speaker 1: I get, yes, the still suits, but we did an

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Speaker 1: episode on the still suits.

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Speaker 5: Actually, biology is a science. I want to remind you guys.

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Speaker 7: Oh I like that.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about June?

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Speaker 7: I'm working, I love doing and I sci fi science.

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Speaker 7: But you know the spice, Yeah, I got some dime

478
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Speaker 7: bags later.

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Speaker 1: But Peah, that's great because that's a great segue for

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Speaker 1: the fact that we have an after hours episode that

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Speaker 1: we are recording live, all of us together Saturday night

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Speaker 1: at Mission Brewery.

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Speaker 4: So just so you know, just just a doctor, what

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Speaker 4: would the spice the still suit water taste?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 7: Oh oh, well, like here's what you should do, right,

487
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Speaker 7: because you don't really want to drink pure water, right,

488
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Speaker 7: I want to add minerals to it, exactly right, just

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Speaker 7: for the forss for it to not be as corrosive

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Speaker 7: and as it would otherwise be Uh, so you're gonna

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Speaker 7: flavor it.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's gonna be gtaway.

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Speaker 1: That's why they get blue eyes. It's not spices, just

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Speaker 1: the icy blue gay earth. Okay, I agree. So do

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Speaker 1: we think it's a sci fi fantasy?

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Speaker 7: I think fi.

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Speaker 5: Fantasy because the biology. There's a great biology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think that says?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 1: No, I I absolutely think it was.

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Speaker 11: Uh, it was grounded in sci fi because Frank Herbert

502
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Speaker 11: was absolutely you know, he did his research. But yeah,

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Speaker 11: some of those later you know, the tangents that goes

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Speaker 11: on then.

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Speaker 7: But I think that also brings up an interesting point

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Speaker 7: because you know, biology is geology and geology is biology,

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Speaker 7: and you see that a lot in Doom.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That was a great question.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, welcome back O the Bay Back. First fast question

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Speaker 1: was also great. Everybody's all great? Ever any done great.

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Speaker 1: We're actually judging your questions, so I guess what I'm

514
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Speaker 1: giving you all ten out of ten. Don't ruin it,

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Speaker 1: don't say something wait hack come back.

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Speaker 13: So earlier you said if we have something shrink at

517
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Speaker 13: sci fi and if we have something grow, it's a monster.

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Speaker 1: That's our current theory.

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Speaker 5: So in that context, does that.

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Speaker 7: Make Marvel's Civil War with ant Man both a monster

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Speaker 7: movie and a sci fi movie?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Fuck, you love this And the answer is, yes,

523
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Speaker 1: you just coined a new thing. Marvel Monsters is coming back.

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Speaker 1: I love that question so much. I mean too, I

525
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Speaker 1: think it's interesting too, because it brings up the nature

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Speaker 1: of like what we understand as technology. We kind of

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Speaker 1: forget that. The answer is, like, somebody created that and

528
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Speaker 1: depending on your version, Gigi hank him, but they created

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Speaker 1: that and then it manages to completely manipulate the size

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Speaker 1: of human biology or body everything. So he's definitely very

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Speaker 1: science heavy. And I do believe that because he's big.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in all world that would be a there'll

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Speaker 1: be a sci fi Kaidu movie. Baby, let's is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it still sci fi?

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Speaker 4: If he doesn't shrink and go into somebody else's like body, Well,

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Speaker 4: to me, that is what makes it. That's what makes

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Speaker 4: me shrinking sci fi.

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Speaker 2: We am in it is, Honey, I shrunk the kids

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Speaker 2: sci fi? Yes, I believe he makes a sciey.

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Speaker 1: He makes he makes a scientific invention that shrinks his children.

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Speaker 1: I think that sci fi is just sci fi at

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Speaker 1: I blew up the kids, all right, I paddles up

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Speaker 1: is honey? I blew up the kids? Is that sci

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Speaker 1: fi and not sci fi? Sci fi?

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Speaker 14: Sci fi?

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Speaker 1: Honey, I'm not sci fi. Hiding is a Kaiju movie?

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Speaker 1: Probably those months we had mixtures.

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Speaker 5: Will you add comedy? Right like Ghostbusters?

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Speaker 1: What is that? That's very true because Loud is sci

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Speaker 1: fi comedy, supernatural comedy, sci fi. I mean, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for that. That was a great author has

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Speaker 1: always ten out of ten here in this yea thank

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Speaker 1: you ten out of ten continues winning streak.

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Speaker 15: So I grew up in a time where a lot

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Speaker 15: of the non science based science fiction didn't appeal to

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Speaker 15: me at all. They the the inconsistencies that were created

557
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Speaker 15: from their created world, where it's just painful to read.

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Speaker 15: But then I also remember a quote from Arthur she

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Speaker 15: Clerk about an advance of society, their science would look

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Speaker 15: like magic.

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Speaker 3: So and lo, that's us the at some point in

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Speaker 3: the arc of science, it gets so advanced that it

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Speaker 3: might as well be magic.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

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Speaker 2: No, it's it's basically the idea that that science that

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Speaker 2: we have, that science, that magic is just science that

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Speaker 2: we don't understand yet. And you've heard that idea pop

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Speaker 2: put out that door movies and things like that.

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Speaker 7: So but that extends, right, that extends in the spirituality

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Speaker 7: and everything else. Anything that actually occurs is occurring by

571
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Speaker 7: some mechanism, right, so you can find out what that is.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking of a question something along this lines.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's never don't fact check me.

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Speaker 4: In a very detailed way about this, but there's never

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Speaker 4: really been a point in human industry where we haven't

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Speaker 4: been like, oh, we got it. Flights of birds predict

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Speaker 4: the future, that's what it is. Yeah, Oh, if you

578
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Speaker 4: open the egg in a certain way, that's going to

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Speaker 4: tell you what the weather's going to be. Like, there's

580
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Speaker 4: never been a point where were where we didn't think

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Speaker 4: that we had it nailed down science wise. So what's

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Speaker 4: really interesting and kind of magical to me about kind

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Speaker 4: of what we're talking about is, you know, we have

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Speaker 4: a lot of scientific capability right now. We have huge

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Speaker 4: telescopes in space, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The

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Speaker 4: stuff that we don't know must be truly insane.

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Speaker 2: Well, and kind of related to that, I would also

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Speaker 2: put out there the idea that science is always changing, right,

589
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Speaker 2: that's the scientific thick methods. So if you're gonna limit

590
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Speaker 2: things to just what is actually factually true in a

591
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Speaker 2: given moment, then that actually squelches innovation. It's squelch's creative thought,

592
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Speaker 2: which is nest and narrator Amiata seemed dated as well.

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Speaker 2: If you say this is the only way it's ever

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Speaker 2: gonna be, this is all hypothesis. Jurassic Park is interesting

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Speaker 2: in that way because we had the I'm a big

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Speaker 2: Drassic Park fan and the first movie you get this incredible,

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Speaker 2: crazy sci fi kind of set up.

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Speaker 1: But then I completely forgot my point and I need

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Speaker 1: made pre cloning, so start cloning.

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Speaker 2: Boss are also coming with like a movie like Gattica,

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Speaker 2: which when it first came out, we were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's that's far far in the future of ashals crazy talk,

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Speaker 2: And now like Work, we have Crisper.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're yeah reality and the thing with

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Speaker 1: that I was gonna, oh my god, no, and I

606
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Speaker 1: lost the thing. I love Jurassic Park, but apparently I

607
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Speaker 1: don't have any clear thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: What I was going to say is Jurassic Park when

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Speaker 1: it came out, everybody thought that the science based on

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Speaker 1: what we knew based was that t Rexes couldn't see

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Speaker 1: you if you didn't move, And that's a massive plot

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Speaker 1: point in the first Jurassic Park movie. It's how they escape.

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Speaker 1: Don't move, don't shine lights. By the second movie, and

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Speaker 1: then specially by the third movie, they basically had to

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Speaker 1: change how they interacted with t rex is because the

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Speaker 1: even just between the time of making those movies, the

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Speaker 1: science of how those animals live changed. So I think

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Speaker 1: that constantly being in conversation with real science and having

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Speaker 1: those updates makes stuff feel a lot more fresh. It's

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Speaker 1: like you say, if you just say this is how

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Speaker 1: it's going to be forever, you look back on it

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Speaker 1: and you're like, well, that character doesn't know very much

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Speaker 1: at all. It did you really agree? Question? Say it?

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Speaker 1: You comment? It was good? It inspired a good conversation.

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Speaker 1: Next question? Thank you? Oh my god, I love how

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Speaker 1: many people areking up this amazing Hello, our friend loves

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Speaker 1: the turtle. Correct, I'm the turtle person.

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Speaker 14: Hi.

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Speaker 16: So you talked a lot about how science back can

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Speaker 16: make science fiction better.

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Speaker 5: But I was.

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Speaker 16: Wondering, in a lot of fiction, there's this internal logic

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Speaker 16: that does not apply to the real world, but you

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Speaker 16: can sort of learn it like science. I'm a big

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Speaker 16: Transformers person, and there is this sort of obviously we

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Speaker 16: probably couldn't make gi and alien robots work, but in

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Speaker 16: the some universes, the logic makes sense and you can

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Speaker 16: like follow it.

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Speaker 1: So does that.

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Speaker 16: Like, Oh no, I forgot, I.

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Speaker 1: Know I'm putting every it's catching science. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: can get into that science.

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Speaker 2: So I have very strong feelings about this, okay, where

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Speaker 2: like and story intersect. So what I believe the bedrock

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Speaker 2: of really good sci fi, any movie, really, but especially

647
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Speaker 2: really good sci fi, is that they give you a

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Speaker 2: set of rules for the world, however close or far

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Speaker 2: from our real world those might be, and then there

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Speaker 2: is a trust developed between the filmmaker and the audience

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Speaker 2: that says, I've set up these rules for you.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to tell you a story that plays

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Speaker 1: in that world. As long as they keep to those rules.

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Speaker 2: We can believe anything they put in front of us,

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Speaker 2: because they said, this is it's not magic.

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Speaker 1: What if it's that?

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Speaker 2: Imagine come on a journey with me. But if they

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Speaker 2: give you the rules and then they break them, then

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Speaker 2: it become a bad filmmaker. Bad filmmaker and that's when

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Speaker 2: I think it doesn't work. So like for Transformers if

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Speaker 2: in their world they are consistent. And we actually did

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Speaker 2: an episode on Transformers where we looked at a lot

663
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Speaker 2: of this stuff.

664
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Speaker 1: Oh who any of you are? So I have phantomly,

665
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you.

666
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Speaker 9: I want you to go to Doesn't Fly right after

667
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 9: this follow the podcast and then listen.

668
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: You can listens at flatpod dot com and you can

669
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Speaker 1: listen to that about Transformers. I would say, I'm a

670
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: big fan of the new Transformers one movie and it's

671
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: wonderful and I actually thought they did a brilliant version

672
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: of what you're talking about. They explained in the world

673
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: how they were kind of these different classes of Transformers

674
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: based on what technology they did and didn't have, and

675
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: it ended up making the science of it or how

676
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: they work, the matrix of power, the thing, matrix of leadership,

677
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: the things they give to each other. You are totally

678
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Speaker 1: in belief of that story when you watch it Doctor

679
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Speaker 1: Sci Fi, Yes or no.

680
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: Transformers ooh yeah, and that has to be a yes

681
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 5: for me.

682
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, I mean the yeah, yeah.

683
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 5: I mean it's dude.

684
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Speaker 7: But at the same time, you know, just hearing this conversation,

685
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 7: It's just making me realize the extent to which we

686
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 7: everyday humans don't realize the magic of our everyday lives.

687
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 7: You know, we are you know procounsul, this eight that

688
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 7: descended from the tree evolved in the Australopithecus, and then

689
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 7: Homo habilis. That's who we are, right, you know. Once

690
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 7: agriculture happened, it changed everything, right. It brought about civilization,

691
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 7: brought about lighter skin, brought about this whole world that

692
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 7: we live in, and we have taken it to where

693
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 7: our every day we're sitting in clothing and chairs under

694
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Speaker 7: air conditionings, get out with microphones. I'll mean, this is

695
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 7: nuts to me, right, but yeah, so our life is

696
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 7: science fiction.

697
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: I love that the life is science fiction and science fact.

698
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: Thank you for your lovely question. Oh yeah, your passion,

699
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: your passion for Transformers. You are representing the Transformers fandom.

700
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna cut off the line here, guys, because

701
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: we're running a long time, so you guys, everybody's the line.

702
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll have tried to answer their questions. You can

703
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: say standing, okay, guys, sir, I.

704
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 6: Know who you guys are. Thank you.

705
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 5: So sci fi?

706
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 17: This is like a preferential question. Do you prefer like

707
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 17: when you're in a world of sci fi like Star

708
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 17: Trek and it's like the whole world is science fiction?

709
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 17: Or like an Alex Garland kind of like we're in

710
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 17: our world, but like one thing has changed like that

711
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 17: are absollent question?

712
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: That's a that's a good one.

713
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 5: Do you guys have heard so?

714
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 4: Do you do you prefer a sci fi that is

715
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 4: like a massive leap forward a las Star Trek or

716
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 4: do you like a more grounded Alex Garland esque sci

717
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: fi where it's like black Mirror. You know it's one,

718
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 4: it's all old, but but something else has changed?

719
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 5: What a false choice?

720
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: You can enjoy us.

721
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 5: I like them both, right, I like the one I

722
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 5: haven't seen yet. Give me something, give me more, give

723
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 5: me more. Ye, but they both have their their place,

724
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 5: right and and.

725
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 7: The latter when it's creepy, I really like it, right

726
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 7: and it comes across creepy like ex machina.

727
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's a great exemple.

728
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 5: That's a great example.

729
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 4: What about you?

730
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Speaker 1: I I have nothing to add. I totally agree with that. Yeah,

731
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: I love both.

732
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Speaker 2: What I love is a story well told, and I

733
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: love the way it whether it's speculative fiction or whether

734
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: it's sort of way in the future sci fi. Ultimately,

735
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, a lot of the time,

736
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: it's really about where we are now that story.

737
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's we've talked about that. When it comes to

738
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: the idea of, you know, a superhero fatigue. There's many

739
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: of you here at comic com We are not tired

740
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: of it. But I think it's all about tell a

741
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: good story. That's what we are we're saying, and I

742
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: like the way you separate those. That's going to be

743
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: a good debate for a future show. Because we had

744
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: a big, big drama over whether or not Children of

745
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: Men is a sci fi. We did enough us all,

746
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: and that one, I think is very complicated because it

747
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: works in your space, but there are aspects of the other.

748
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: But also there's not a lot of futuristic technology, so

749
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: that's one that I'm always interested to talk about.

750
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: I'll also just add to your question, you can also

751
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 2: go back, So there's retro futuristic sci fi, what about

752
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: stuff that takes place.

753
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: In a period that is prena is steampunk sci fi?

754
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: That's what I was getting because it's it was base

755
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: steampunk comes from the original computer, which even though it

756
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: was too far ahead to be a real computer, I

757
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: think that makes it sci fi.

758
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 7: What about Furiosa's world, Oh, dystopia is dystopia, But is

759
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 7: it sci fi?

760
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, because they just have caused the kind

761
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: of normal cause that they've redune, but it isn't.

762
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: And in the later movies that ostensibly there was some

763
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: stuff that happened with technology and climate and all of that.

764
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: So the ares and scientific underpinnings of it kind of

765
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: sort of mad Max Fury Roads Slash Furiosa. Is it

766
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: sci fi? Put up your hands? Is it not sci fi?

767
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: Put up your hands? Okay, okay, not sci fi? Takes

768
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: it fi definitely one, thank you, thank you question.

769
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 4: So we'll be right back after a quick break.

770
00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: And get somebody up. Just got it, you got it? Okay,

771
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: go ahead.

772
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 18: I just wanted to ask about Godzilla.

773
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Speaker 1: Is that sci fi? Or fixing her boat? Babe? We

774
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: are always running to work this out. I will argue

775
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifty four original Godzilla movie I think counts

776
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: as a sci fi because it was essentially the law

777
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: was like he was a dinosaur ship creature who got

778
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: hit by an atom bomb. It was very tomack age story.

779
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: And then he grew, So I think you could say

780
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: that the first one is But then you know, are

781
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: you gonna watch Godzilla x Kong New Empire and see

782
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: Dan Stevens removing Kong's tooth? Does that technology make it

783
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: sci fi? Or is it more of an action adventure?

784
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: Manesota is a scientist, He's a vet. He's a vet.

785
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 5: No, Godzilla is.

786
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 7: Okay, the science of radiation, right, science of mutation, all

787
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 7: of that is there.

788
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 5: Man Godzilla, I love the King Kong a sci fi?

789
00:40:59,200 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 4: No? Okay?

790
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: Interesting? Interesting ar no? Okay? Wait may I may I

791
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: ask you all? Sweet? Yeah, what do you think? Do

792
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: you have a feeling about it? Which way is sorder?

793
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 18: I think it's like science and fixing because I think

794
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 18: it's like sci fi because like Godzilla, he could shoot fire.

795
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 18: That means that he did all those buildings. He may

796
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 18: like take a nibble of them. He may then like

797
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 18: burn that fuel to use it.

798
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm feeling like you may be gonna be

799
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: a Godzilla storyteller in your future. I also have at

800
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: the end of the uh thing, I have a Godzilla

801
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: prize for you for asking that question, so you can

802
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: come and get it at the end of the when

803
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: we finish the questions, I'll be here. Okay, thank you, Yeah,

804
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: get him a movie deal. We love that E get

805
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: to see you.

806
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 5: Thank you.

807
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Speaker 13: Uh So at the very beginning we talked about like

808
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 13: trying to reinforce the fantasy with a basis in science.

809
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 5: Do you think creators can take it too far or

810
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 5: maybe like bungle.

811
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 7: Their fantasy with science or pseudoscience like midichlorians come to mind?

812
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 5: Right? Did that help the stars? Hey?

813
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: Go back? Oh the Chilians, you're back now. I had

814
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: a clorius about it. Coin all right.

815
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: So what that makes me think of is when I

816
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: have some of these questions, I do a very unscientific

817
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: research project, which is asking my fifteen year old yes, yes.

818
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: About this and we I don't know if our Freaky

819
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: Friday episode has come out yet and if I'm allowed

820
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: to know.

821
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: I didn't say that, Okay, so next week we have

822
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: an episode about Freaky Friday coming out, and so of

823
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: course I had to ask my child about that and

824
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: produce perfect audience. And I said, what you know, we

825
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: watched the original with Lindsay Loan and not the original

826
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: the first or the first Yeah, with Lindsay Lohan and

827
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: Jamie Lee Curtis, And I said, would you They don't

828
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: really get into like how this happens. It's sort of

829
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: like magic in a slightly stereotype Chinese restaurant.

830
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: And I said, would you have wanted to know more

831
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: about that? And she said no. She said that through

832
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: the madness.

833
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: Lory, She's like, I want the magic. She was like,

834
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: I don't need to know that. Then it turns into

835
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: like it bugs it down. I'm interested in what happens

836
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: between the characters and the way they do it. I

837
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: believe it because I want to believe it.

838
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's also to do with what you're

839
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: looking for. We had a great episode where we talked

840
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: to the author of this book called hild which is

841
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: technically a historical fiction book about a real life a

842
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: woman who ended up becoming like canonized, but the book

843
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: reads like fantasy because she's such an incredible author, and

844
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: the way that she makes it feel feels like you're

845
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: in a world that doesn't exist, even though she's writing

846
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: about something that's factual. So I also can find I

847
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: like when authors try and push more out of the

848
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of normal like literary fiction, and suddenly someone's doing

849
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: like a literary hard sci fi. But it's also like

850
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: a romance. I prefer when people take big swings. So

851
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: for me, I think there can be a lot of

852
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: gems when people are trying to merge those.

853
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 5: Let me give you a gepa. Yes here.

854
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 7: So there's a famous twentieth century astronomer that all most

855
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 7: no one knows named Fred Hoyle exclusive scooped and he

856
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 7: wrote this book that I found in a good will

857
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 7: like somebody had passed away and their kids brought in

858
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 7: their library and not the book, but it's called The

859
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 7: Black Cloud, and he talks about this nebula that comes

860
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 7: into the solar system to feed on our son, not

861
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 7: realize it's going to harm the humans, right, but he

862
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 7: goes it's like a lot much detail, like when he

863
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 7: walks into the observatory and he gets ready to observe.

864
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 7: It's all the stuff you go through, and it's really

865
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 7: he writes it so well, so it's not like a

866
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 7: self indulgent thing like include like in an interestellar, the

867
00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 7: inclusion of the real black hole that was self indulgence, right,

868
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 7: that's not what Coyle does, So there is a model

869
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 7: man where it could be done so well and you

870
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 7: don't even know if you're not a scientist, you don't

871
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 7: even know what's happening, but you get this vivid imagery

872
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 7: that just brings you into that story, you know, And yeah, I.

873
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 4: Agree, I think I think Minichlorian's was a good idea,

874
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 4: poorly execute.

875
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: It definitely added a law of I think unexpected god

876
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: rails for the Star Wars franchise, which can sometimes happen

877
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: when you overexplain stuff. But you're right, like having a

878
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: way to walk out someone's a Jedi is not a

879
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: terrible eye. Yeah.

880
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: Well, and also I think too when you have these

881
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: longtime franchises that you see questions amongst the fans that

882
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: can ask over and.

883
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: Over and over, like how does the forest actually work?

884
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: Or how is it really that nobody recognizes Clark Kent,

885
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, And then you finally have a movie

886
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: that comes out like Now that tries to address that. Like,

887
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 2: I think there's also a dialogue that happens fandoms that

888
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: sometimes filmmakers will try and play with and sometimes it's

889
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: great and sometimes it's not.

890
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: But I love that there is that interplay. It's hard.

891
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: What makes things fun? Okay, guys, I want to thank

892
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: you very much much, but I I just uh, Superman

893
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: hypno goggles? Do you like them? Do you like the

894
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: fact that the reason the glasses work is when he

895
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: puts them on, other people see him differently. That is

896
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: the current sends for yes, hands yes, hands for no,

897
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: hands for no.

898
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 7: Okay, you know I would tell you what they should

899
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 7: have made Superman a semiconductor engineer, because when you put

900
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 7: on that buddy suit to go into the clean room

901
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 7: and only this part of your face is exposed.

902
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: No, I'm recognizing you.

903
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 7: Don't recognize people anymore because we never see each other

904
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 7: that way.

905
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 5: And you look so different.

906
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the unexpected nature of your face is fully exposed,

907
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 4: but yet I don't recognize.

908
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: I would love to see that. Okay, this is going

909
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: to be our last question. Guys, I'm suicide around of times.

910
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: To go ahead. Oh no, So I wanted to ask.

911
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about the fiction aspect of it,

912
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: but in the reality aspect of science fiction and how

913
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: it affects reality, which.

914
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: Out of any fiction ever written ever made, what do

915
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: you think our future looks like most what how do

916
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: you think we're going.

917
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna give you there's an optimistic answer in

918
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: my mind, and there is a scary answer. And I

919
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: think currently, and this is not an original thought, a

920
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: lot of really clever people have noticed this. Currently, we

921
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: look like to be on a kind of Octavia Butler

922
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: spiraling through Hell into this kind of fascist science like

923
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: but if I could pick someone that, I would hope

924
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: it looked like really anything by Ursula Lea Gwen because

925
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: she is someone who imagined a world outside of capitalism

926
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: and a world where fantasy doesn't immediately mean death or

927
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: sexual assault or anything else. So we love Octavia. We

928
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: love Octavia I thought less She's a fantastic, insightful writer

929
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: er and that's why she was able to understand what

930
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: was happening in America.

931
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: But I'm hoping for us, Lila Gwinn, how about you?

932
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 2: I totally agree with both of those so's. And that's

933
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: a great literary answer. I'll take it over into the

934
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Speaker 2: film Realm TV Realm, I would say, Yeah, Sadly, I

935
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: think right now we are hurtling towards some of the

936
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: gaticas and erminators in places like that. My hope though,

937
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: and I don't just say this because it's the company

938
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: that products our podcast, no, But honestly, my hope is

939
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: that we end up in Star Trek, a world where, yeah,

940
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: there are a lot of problems have been solved. There's

941
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: still no need for money, you know, but we figured

942
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: a lot of.

943
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: This stuff out and we get to do other cool

944
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: new things. So that's my hope, and I do, in

945
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: my heart still believe that that's possible. I love that. Jason, Well,

946
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: I think.

947
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 4: That well, you know, I will agree with you too,

948
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 4: that we are in a difficult period. But I think

949
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 4: that what's really hopeful about it is things like this.

950
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 4: I've seen so many people, you know, in my friend

951
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 4: group and my family, just people that I know who

952
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 4: have are facing these moments with a decision to like

953
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 4: turn to community and find other people who they can support,

954
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 4: and find other structures that they can make found family,

955
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 4: et cetera. And I think that's really hopeful. I think

956
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: that's going to be a lot of the future is

957
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 4: people like the people in this room, depending on each

958
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 4: other to get through a lot of difficult period A.

959
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: Lot of people will cite Joseph Campbell as an inspiration

960
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: for storytelling and the hero's journey. But what they don't

961
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: realize is that he actually his next step after that

962
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: was communal reliance and just fortunately didn't live long enough

963
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: to write a book about that piece.

964
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: But that's actually part of his legacy.

965
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 5: Perhaps a brave new world.

966
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, and there's gonna be a lot more of robots

967
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 7: and AI and connection via wireless connection. That's definitely going

968
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 7: to be a thing. How food is going to lifespans

969
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 7: are definitely going to be extended. I mean they already

970
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 7: have been. Transportation is going to be revolutionized as well,

971
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 7: going to continue. That revolution is going to continue. And

972
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 7: you know, I think that there's a bit of unpredictability

973
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 7: because what's happening right now, the way our economy is

974
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 7: set up, there's going to be massive changes in that,

975
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 7: right the robotics and the AI and all all of this,

976
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 7: you know, white collar and blue collar the way they

977
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 7: have been isn't going to be that way in the

978
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 7: near or.

979
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, guys, we've done it.

980
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 9: Hopfully hopefully you are like the machine on free answer

981
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 9: in your head and we're going to vote right now.

982
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: So if you think science fact is what is necessary

983
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: to make a great science fiction project.

984
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: Raise your paddle if you think fiction can help bolster

985
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: the science fiction genre, raise your paddle now a winner.

986
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say before we leave, this is

987
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: such a packed room. We love that you guys showed up.

988
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: We should do a selfie of us in front of

989
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: the road.

990
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 9: Okay, but first, but first, I just want to shout

991
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 9: out real quick, if you guys see this QR code

992
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 9: over here, look at that.

993
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: We're to be You're dark panel at the Mission Brewery.

994
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 9: So everything's right there now you guys, I've been asked

995
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 9: to uh name, what.

996
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: Are our discussions about? But there are many children in here,

997
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: so all the challenge. Is there a PG way you

998
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: can tell me about your ass there is? This is

999
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: all panel. It's going to be really fun. Off the

1000
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: dark hints that you know, we'll be able to get

1001
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 1: a little bit out there, and it's gonna be about

1002
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: the topic of read this as you will, remaxing Superman.

1003
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: Could it really happen? Could you do it?

1004
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 12: Could you do it exactly? That's the kind of question

1005
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 12: we're going to be losting. It's a whole other way

1006
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 12: of looking at super power. Yes, and also as well, guys,

1007
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 12: you can bring your friends who do not have SDCC badges.

1008
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: They it is not on the show for you can

1009
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: scan that RSVP. It's gonna be super fun. And also

1010
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: if you are a woman who loves the entertainment industry,

1011
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: there's also gonna be like a mixer for that. So

1012
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: I think it's just gonna be really fun. Come down,

1013
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: bring your friends, and yes, romancing Superman will be the topic,

1014
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be really funny. Hello, den of geek fans,

1015
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: I am Rosie Night here at Comic Con with an

1016
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: unbelievable guest. Something very excited for me. As many of

1017
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: you know, I love Godzilla. I have a shin Godzilla

1018
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: director Shinji Hgushi here. How does it feel to be

1019
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: here at San Diego?

1020
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 13: This Tokyo, Tokyo is extremely hot right now, so I'm

1021
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 13: digging the weather.

1022
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: That's funny. We have people from the East Coast who

1023
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: are digging the la weather.

1024
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 4: For he you know.

1025
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: So, first of all, I would love to know, like,

1026
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: what was your first interaction with Godzilla? What is your

1027
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: first memory of Godzilla?

1028
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 6: You can't talk?

1029
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 5: Did is.

1030
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 6: Stardayo Cheka?

1031
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 5: I was really really young.

1032
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 13: I want to say maybe even kindergarten, because I don't

1033
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 13: quite remember it that clearly.

1034
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you remember when you were a kid what

1035
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: your impression of Godzilla was in this kind of cultural

1036
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: surrounding of him just being everywhere.

1037
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 5: You sho this.

1038
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 6: Because most so most of Uni No car.

1039
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 5: So struck it at the.

1040
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 13: Met The first Godzilla movie I remember watching was Gods

1041
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 13: Godzilla versus Mathra, and I remember Godzilla getting all stringed,

1042
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 13: and Godzilla was a bad guy back in the day,

1043
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 13: so I remember that scene where he gets all wrapped

1044
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 13: up in Mathra's string and then sent to the bottom

1045
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 13: of the ocean and loses.

1046
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very impactful moment.

1047
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 5: So it's a very scary memory for me.

1048
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like we're here to talk about, you know,

1049
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: shin Godzilla, which my nephew loves but is also scary.

1050
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: How does it feel, you know, nine years later, to

1051
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: look back at Shane Godzilla and look at the movie

1052
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: that you made in and release in twenty sixteen.

1053
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 14: Union that day pretty my highs that my daughters be

1054
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Speaker 14: yea throughly era heroko w.

1055
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Speaker 13: Well, I'm very shocked and very happy that I had

1056
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 13: this opportunity and that too would kind of look back

1057
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 13: and then bring this movie once again to the big screens.

1058
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did it feel to see it in four

1059
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: K remastered the version that the audiences will now get

1060
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: to see.

1061
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 13: It was a young meet up council cor contemporary.

1062
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Speaker 6: Mmm, scukul it isn't it iPhone?

1063
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 4: So they.

1064
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Speaker 13: So it was never a really I want to choose

1065
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 13: my words carefully here, but a beautifully shot movie in

1066
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 13: the first place. There are some scenes that were shot

1067
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Speaker 13: on iPhones and some scenes that I mean no shape.

1068
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 13: But we use equipment that, like he would say, like

1069
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 13: regular cameras, not like movie cameras to shoot. So to

1070
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Speaker 13: see all of those scenes remastered, like I didn't expect

1071
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Speaker 13: the quality to go up better.

1072
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Speaker 2: Huh.

1073
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: There's a good selling point. Even you were surprised by

1074
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: how beautiful it was.

1075
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Speaker 5: Rocket guy saw.

1076
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Speaker 4: So.

1077
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Speaker 1: Something that I think is so interesting about Shin Godzilla

1078
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: and how we got here is the movie comes out,

1079
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: it is critically came, people love it, but you know,

1080
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: over the years it has gained a cult status. What

1081
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: does it mean to make something where your audience for

1082
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: it is constantly growing?

1083
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 5: Cool?

1084
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: You know.

1085
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 5: Happens?

1086
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 8: Sid he saw you just doesn't he.

1087
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Speaker 5: Don't know that.

1088
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Speaker 13: So I think I was one of those members of

1089
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Speaker 13: the audience myself.

1090
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Speaker 6: So you.

1091
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 4: So you.

1092
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Speaker 13: I love that kind of movie, and I think I

1093
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 13: was better than most of my peers at finding and

1094
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 13: discovering those types of movies.

1095
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Speaker 6: Also turn the diego Google disagrest.

1096
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Speaker 13: So I have a feeling that I was probably like

1097
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Speaker 13: one of your readers or audience members of Ten of

1098
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Speaker 13: Geek myself when I was young, trying to find those

1099
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Speaker 13: cult movies, and I was good at discovering them sharing them,

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Speaker 13: and that's what I wanted to see myself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a great point. I make comic books,

1102
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: gotilla comic books actually, and often you you don't. You

1103
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: you got to tell the story that you want to

1104
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Speaker 1: see the sty you go. That's a good way to start,

1105
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,959
Speaker 1: you know. I think for you you had those early

1106
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: entry points. Have you thought about the fact that for

1107
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: a generation of kids, especially on YouTube, you know, shin

1108
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: Godzilla is their first Godzilla.

1109
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 8: Like YouTube up, so next.

1110
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Speaker 6: Most of that.

1111
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 13: After Godzilla against Martha, I watched Godzilla fight Herdora, you

1112
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 13: know that guy did so I think even as a kindergartener,

1113
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 13: I was already experiencing brain rot.

1114
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Speaker 1: Well, now the brain rot for the kids is Godzilla

1115
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: definitely still They watch these videos on YouTube, every evolution

1116
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: of Godzilla, so then knowledge of Godzilla is very deep,

1117
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: even if they haven't watched all the movie us. But

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Speaker 1: when I do speak to kids like my nephews or

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Speaker 1: kids who come to the signings, they love shin Godzilla.

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Speaker 1: Did you have an idea that it might be something

1121
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Speaker 1: where kids are also going to be enjoying it even

1122
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Speaker 1: though it is more scary grounded?

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Speaker 13: Say, Oh, I'm like a kid myself thinking for the audience,

1124
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 13: what even the target?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So for you, then, what does it feel like

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Speaker 1: as the kid inside you, the young kid to play

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01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: in the sandbox of Godzilla and get to tell the stories.

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Speaker 6: It alm.

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Speaker 5: Tell us?

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Speaker 4: Do it?

1131
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 6: Digestion?

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Speaker 13: I think there's a different Godzilla inside of every one

1133
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 13: of us, right, different interpretation, different view So my job

1134
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 13: for this particular Godzilla when I was given the sandbox

1135
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 13: is to find people who had a similar idea of

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01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 13: what Godzilla is.

1137
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Speaker 5: To me.

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01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I I was lucky enough to

1139
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: see shin Godzilla in black and white when that happened recently,

1140
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: I would say, like something that strikes me so much

1141
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: is Godzilla always has great human characters, but there is

1142
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 1: such a focus on the human characters and how kind

1143
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: of the world would interact if there was a Godzilla disaster.

1144
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: Could you talk a little bit more about bringing that

1145
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: satirical or commentary.

1146
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 6: Edge to it?

1147
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 13: So kam mas not sage you can did in this

1148
01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 13: and I don't say more, what did I.

1149
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Speaker 2: Know?

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Speaker 13: It's I think it's there is definitely a little bit

1151
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 13: of commentary, but it's not one hundred percent satirical. And

1152
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Speaker 13: I think for me, there is a hope somewhere that

1153
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 13: there are people in our government who would make the

1154
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 13: decisions that some of the characters in the movie do.

1155
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 13: And perhaps that's the bigger fantasy than this idea of Godzilla,

1156
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 13: that people in our garment will operate that way. But

1157
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 13: I think that that was the hope that I injected

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Speaker 13: into the Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think we often talk about with storytelling, will be

1160
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: cool radical imagination where you imagine outside of what we

1161
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: already have, And I feel like in that way that

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01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 1: becomes a part of it. A functioning government that looks

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01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: after you.

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01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 13: Is an ambitus to me kind of hunts you. So

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01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 13: it's like Tom Clancy novels for American How do it

1166
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 13: is this?

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Speaker 1: Perhaps, yeah, totally. It gives an insight. You know that

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01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: people think that they understand for you and that you

1169
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: know you say, you're still a big kid. Me too, obviously,

1170
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: all of us here. That's why we're a den of geek.

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01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: Are there any monsters that you would be so excited

1172
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: to explore alongside Godzilla in the future? The Godzilla you.

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01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 13: Can't do all that say about.

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01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 5: Man you can.

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Speaker 6: M Kajin.

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Speaker 1: Personally, I want to preface that my personal yes, as

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Speaker 1: a manifestation wish for the future.

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01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 6: The then let you go prop you take your so

1179
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 6: it's good cod then you go this.

1180
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Speaker 13: Covid Godilla is different in every film. If you follow

1181
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 13: the Godzilla films you'll probably know that. So the nineteen

1182
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 13: fifty four Godzilla to the sequel, so when it fights

1183
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 13: come is from the face to the by proportions, it's

1184
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 13: all different. Facet is different when Godzilla fights Mathra as well.

1185
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, my mother.

1186
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 13: So of course when you meet a Godzilla fan out

1187
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 13: the while, and there's a lot of Godzilla fans who

1188
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 13: date us too, because the Godzilla has been around for

1189
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 13: so long. So the first question you're going to ask

1190
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 13: is well, which Godzilla designed.

1191
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 7: They like.

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01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 13: Because you can kind of have this larger religious umbrella

1193
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 13: I mean in Christiana, but there's all the subdivisions, right.

1194
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 13: But I think something similar is happening with Godzilla. I

1195
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 13: love that.

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01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: I do think something that we say is there's a

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01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: Godzilla for everyone. You know, you have Minya, you have

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Speaker 1: like you have all different iterations. I like the Godzilla

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Speaker 1: who dances and skips, you know, but we still have

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01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, incredible shin Godzilla minus one, there is dancing,

1201
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: my favor I have a little Manila tattoo as well, Minya,

1202
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: and then I have my my Godzilla two is kind

1203
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: of hidden. Yeah, I feel like that's one of the

1204
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: magical things because also the more blockbuster Godzillas, they can

1205
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: direct kids to Japanese Godzilla and the interest spans. I mean,

1206
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 1: do you feel like, as you the we have moved

1207
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: so far away, almost a decade away from Shin Godzilla,

1208
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: do you feel.

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Speaker 7: Like the.

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01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: Fandom has like grown? Do you feel can you feel

1211
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: that people really love shin Godzilla and it's now seen

1212
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: as kind of this classic. Is that trickled down to

1213
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: you as the director?

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Speaker 8: I need to have to crush you told you movement

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01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 8: all so more mm hm.

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Speaker 6: Dibn huge issue.

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Speaker 5: And come wh are So.

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Speaker 13: I think it kind of goes back to what we

1219
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 13: were talking about earlier, the different factions of Godzilla. Because

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01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 13: before we came here, we stopped by Super seven and

1221
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 13: we had a little pop up event there. When I

1222
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 13: was walking through Super seven, people are like overly protected

1223
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 13: when there's anything Godzilla minus one, don't show be a

1224
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 13: good time Godzilla minus wan stuff.

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01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 5: He can't see that.

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01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 13: But I think, going back to the point off, there's

1227
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 13: a Godzilla in all of us, and I think that

1228
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 13: collectively becomes something bigger.

1229
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 19: Yeah, which Godzilla is inside you everything Godzilla. I'm every Godzilla.

1230
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 13: So if you follow Godzilla for sixty years, I think

1231
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:53,480
Speaker 13: you can achieve that status of embracing every single interpretation

1232
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,440
Speaker 13: of Godzilla. Until you get there, there's gonna be Godzillas

1233
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 13: that you like and Godzillas that you hate. In fact,

1234
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 13: I hated more Godzillas than I like, which is why

1235
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 13: I tried to put all of that into shin Godzilla

1236
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:05,520
Speaker 13: as my own interpretation.

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01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: Something I would love to talk to you about as

1238
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: like a fan of the movie is Godzilla. And because

1239
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: I think now more people are going to be seeing it.

1240
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: Could you talk a little bit about the different evolutions

1241
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: of Godzilla and sh Gozilla in the movie, because I

1242
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: feel like for a lot of people I've spoken to,

1243
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: that is very appealing to them and it feels very unique.

1244
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: And of course you created some very meaned monsters. So

1245
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: could you talk a little bit about adding the idea

1246
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,879
Speaker 1: of the evolution of Godzilla to shin.

1247
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 6: No ma Shinka?

1248
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 5: Do you idea.

1249
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 8: Stuck?

1250
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 15: I have a.

1251
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 13: Soda more she the point of them.

1252
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 8: Not didn't.

1253
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 6: Shinka m.

1254
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 13: The basic story arc of gods. I think when people

1255
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 13: you tell anyone that there's gonna be a Godzilla film,

1256
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 13: they're already immediately thinking, Okay, there's gonna be Godzilla, and

1257
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 13: then Godzilla is gonna fight against something, whether it's kenky Dora,

1258
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 13: Mega Godzilla. There's gonna be some kind of antagonist for Godzilla.

1259
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 13: But this has almost become such a I don't want

1260
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,919
Speaker 13: to say formula, but that's what people have come to expect.

1261
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 13: I wanted to break that mold.

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01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 6: Tight hand up.

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01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 13: And there's a budgetary angle to this as well. When

1264
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 13: you've got it's more to kaji on the screen, not

1265
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 13: just one and these Kaiji are fighting and everything around

1266
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,879
Speaker 13: them is getting destroyed. Think about the animation, the VFX, everything,

1267
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 13: and to Hoo doesn't always give me the biggest budget

1268
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 13: to work when it comes to making Godzilla.

1269
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 1: Films, so it makes sense to have different versions.

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01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 6: Not the good you know, no idea.

1271
01:11:53,960 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 13: So yeah, so then the consideration becomes, Okay, we can

1272
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 13: only use one Kaiju, but if we can at least

1273
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 13: give the Kaiju different states, then that kind of folds

1274
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 13: itself into the story and the narrative.

1275
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 5: But not just that.

1276
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 13: Toho's eyes begin to shine because it's like, oh, we

1277
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 13: can do three different toys now just one.

1278
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I was gonna

1279
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: ask about the baby Shin with the big bug eyes.

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01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: Could you talk a little bit about that design, because

1281
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: that is what every kid who I meet that is

1282
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 1: their favorite version.

1283
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 5: And used to designs.

1284
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 13: Only you very accurately pointed out earlier that it's evolution,

1285
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 13: it's not growth.

1286
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 5: So there's a difference.

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01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 6: No, No, I don't think you.

1288
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 5: Don't know.

1289
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 13: So I wanted to kind of follow almost a Darwinism

1290
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 13: type of evolution, so we don't get to see it

1291
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 13: in the film itself, but I imagined before we see

1292
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 13: the first version of god is some kind of sea

1293
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:32,879
Speaker 13: creature that then becomes reptile and then becomes what we see.

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01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: Before we have to go now that this is going

1295
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 1: to be back in there with the beautiful remaster, do

1296
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: you have a message for Godzilla fans who are going

1297
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: to go see Shindola?

1298
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 7: Good?

1299
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 5: Don't know?

1300
01:13:55,479 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 13: So before I give you a message, we have a

1301
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 13: few more minutes. Can I still keep still in the

1302
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 13: middle of my evolution?

1303
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 5: Thought?

1304
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: Please?

1305
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 6: Please?

1306
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 2: Sorry?

1307
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 13: Sorry sorry that was yeah. Hell, when Godzilla goes from

1308
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 13: fish to the just the version that you're talking about,

1309
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,879
Speaker 13: you see there's still gills because it's still mid transition.

1310
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 13: It hasn't quite become a reptile. It's still between sea

1311
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 13: creature and reptile. But there is another issue here, which

1312
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 13: is that director on no, it doesn't like fish and

1313
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 13: doesn't like meat.

1314
01:14:47,400 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 5: There, so I know men On, so director, I know.

1315
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 13: He hates when you go to like a fish market,

1316
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 13: you see all those fish lined up and the eyes

1317
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 13: the way you look at you. So that's when he

1318
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 13: decided let's give him those I was gonna say, it's

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Speaker 13: definitely those eyes.

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Speaker 1: As soon as you.

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Speaker 6: When you.

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Speaker 8: Could you.

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Speaker 13: So Ao was kind of confused because he thought he

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Speaker 13: made the scariest creature imaginable. But all the kids love it.

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Speaker 13: Everyone says it's super cute, so there's this gap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also I think kids like spooky stuff. It's a

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Speaker 1: way to test their boundaries. So I think it's cute

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Speaker 1: but a little bit scary.

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Speaker 13: Good pie tonight.

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Speaker 5: Thank you you so much. Sorry for the interruption, Maria. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, If you have a quick message just to say

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Speaker 1: to the fans before we go, that would be amazing.

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Speaker 13: I'm not even a message go into.

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Speaker 6: She's Americano. That's the.

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Speaker 5: I want to say.

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Speaker 6: Hi.

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Speaker 13: I'm really jealous and envious of the North American fans

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Speaker 13: because perhaps culturally we've been taught in Japan, when you

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Speaker 13: go to the movie theater, you quietly enjoy your popcorn

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Speaker 13: and accept whatever the director has put on the screen

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Speaker 13: for you. But American audiences get really involved, very vocal,

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Speaker 13: very expressive about what their emotions are doing at any

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Speaker 13: given moment, so that you guys will be able to

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Speaker 13: experience that is something that I'm jealous of first of all,

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Speaker 13: but I hope you keep that energy in that wave

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Speaker 13: going for shinkat Villa.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. On Saturday's episodes

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Speaker 1: of xtra Vision, We're Diving into News. That's the episode bye.

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