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Speaker 2: Hey, the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour, another hour of

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Speaker 2: The Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday, Oh hopday. And

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Speaker 2: so let's dig into this. Well, we're gonna finish up

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Speaker 2: our story of Nero this hour. We're gonna make fun

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Speaker 2: your leisure. I'm not covering the entire backstory now. All

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Speaker 2: you need to know in case you're just now joining us,

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Speaker 2: is the young boy king Nero has just taken over

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Speaker 2: his emperor. His conniving, intelligent, possibly evil mother Agrippina is

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Speaker 2: the one largely responsible for getting him the throne. Nero

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Speaker 2: takes over and he is a popular man very popular.

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Speaker 2: He's cutting taxes, he's giving slaves rights, he's eliminating capital punishment,

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Speaker 2: he's returning power to the Senate, he's attacking corruption. He

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Speaker 2: is a populist by any sense of the word. At first,

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Speaker 2: at least and then remember how young Nero is. Then

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Speaker 2: Nero begins to change. And I don't know why. There

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Speaker 2: are books written about why what happened? Was he drugged?

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Speaker 2: Did he have medical episode? Was this just a growing

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Speaker 2: the age of sixteen, Think about what you were like

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Speaker 2: when you were sixteen. Think about how dumb you were.

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Speaker 2: Think about how dumb. It might not be the right

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Speaker 2: But Nero begins to chafe. He begins to chafe against

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Speaker 2: his mother. Niro starts to really like girls. Sixteen year

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Speaker 2: old boy, sixteen year old, sixteen year old boy and

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Speaker 2: was done in Roman society. Nero was a bit of

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Speaker 2: an odd duck. Anyway. We'll come back to that. But

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Speaker 2: Nero's mother begins to voice her disapproval of his choices

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Speaker 2: in life, and Nero, apparently, you know, eventually young boys,

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Speaker 2: they don't. They don't cling to mommy like they used to,

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Speaker 2: instead of bowing to her wishes like he always had before,

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Speaker 2: Remember I mentioned the coins where her face was printed

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Speaker 2: the Oprah in the day Seneca pushed out, Hey Seneca,

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Speaker 2: making my philosopher appointment. Thanks too bad. So sad. The

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Speaker 2: And when you're the freaking Roman emperor, you can push

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Speaker 2: have these norms. There's a there is a culture in Rome.

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Speaker 2: There is one thing that really really well. There who

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Speaker 2: many things, but there's something that really really graded on

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Speaker 2: contrary to what your history book tells you, useless, worthless,

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Speaker 2: apparently Chafing was putting it nicely. Decided he wanted his

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Speaker 2: I don't know how this hasn't been made into a

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Speaker 2: series on HBO or something. Nero decides he's going to

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Speaker 2: have his mother drown. If you will, how were you

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Speaker 2: the water. This true story. Nero has a little banquet,

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Speaker 2: Mom is invited one night. Mom, after dark, decides she

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Speaker 2: This is not a creek. So Mom hops in this

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Speaker 2: wonderful new boat her son purchased for her. What a

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Speaker 2: people men Nero had bought off to ensure his mother

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Speaker 2: to ensure that his mother never made the shore alive.

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Speaker 2: The boat begins to sail across the water. The boat

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Speaker 2: a very cunning woman. Agrippina very quickly figures out in

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Speaker 2: trying to kill me. So Agrippina does the most Agrippina

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Speaker 2: think they've killed Agrippina, but they have not killed Agrippina.

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Speaker 2: about Roman mothers and women in society. Nero says, well,

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Speaker 2: here where the monster grew. Talking about Nero. She was

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Speaker 2: have been, really, anybody holding Nero down to any sense

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Speaker 2: And oh, the terrible stories about Nero. You've heard, many

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Speaker 2: things up here. Nero's mother dies, tries to have her drowned.

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Speaker 2: It tends to disappear very very quickly in Roman society

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Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday, a

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Speaker 2: is the story of Nero, and that is an excellent

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Speaker 2: example of how badly power screws you up, how bad

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Speaker 2: politics can truly get, even in a civilized country. Remember,

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Speaker 2: for hundreds and hundreds of years before this, the Romans

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Speaker 2: had convinced themselves that they were above all those barbarians,

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Speaker 2: with all their political violence and death and murder and

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Speaker 2: all the intrigue. They were above all those things. And

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Speaker 2: then as their leaders rotted above them, they saw what

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Speaker 2: happens to a society when it rocks too much. Nero

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Speaker 2: is a wonderful example for a lot of different reasons.

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Speaker 2: You can use his mother, you can use Roman society.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's an incredible story and one that

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Speaker 2: probably should be known by a lot of people. And

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Speaker 2: that is a little history for you. Now, let's do

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Speaker 2: might end up doing that tomorrow. In the meantime, I

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Speaker 2: some politics, some emails, and then we're checking out. Hang on,

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Speaker 2: this is the Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse

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Speaker 2: Kelly Show. Final segment of The Jesse Kelly Show on

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Speaker 2: a Wednesday, on a hump day. I hope you have

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Speaker 2: put a smile on your face. Now. I want to

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Speaker 2: do just a little bit of a rewind before we

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Speaker 2: check out here and make fun of the second gentleman again,

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Speaker 2: do you remember you remember, I think it was last

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Speaker 2: week when we were talking about Doug m Hoff and

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Speaker 2: this is after it came out the Doug m Off

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Speaker 2: had slapped around. Well, remember when I said this, what

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Speaker 2: a feminist, what a champion of women? Doug m Hoff,

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Speaker 2: this is from Red State, told former girlfriend he'd paid

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Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars in hush money to a nanny he impregnated,

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Speaker 2: and he made her sign an NDA. He knocked up

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Speaker 2: his kid's tutor, got a divorce for it, paid her

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Speaker 2: eighty g's and made her sign an NDA to not

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Speaker 2: tell anyone that kid's his. And that's why he spends

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Speaker 2: a lot of time on the news talking about what

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Speaker 2: a champion of women he is. Ladies, gentlemen, you anti

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Speaker 2: communists who are listening, and even you dirty comedies who

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Speaker 2: hate listen all the time. Allow me to tell you

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Speaker 2: one thing that is true about ninety nine point nine

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Speaker 2: to nine percent of the time. If there is a

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Speaker 2: male feminist who gets a little too loud about what

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Speaker 2: a male feminist he is, that is a male feminist

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Speaker 2: who's done some dark things to women in his past.

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Speaker 2: That is true almost every time. Just like the Mark

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Speaker 2: Cubans of the world who get a little too. I

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Speaker 2: love democrats have something dark in there for some reason.

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Speaker 2: Same thing with male feminists. That's how that works. Exclusive

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris' husband, Doug Mhoff, faces explosive new allegations from

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Speaker 2: his time at a top la law firm. Now, I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna go through all the specific allegations. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff in here that honestly just sounds like

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Speaker 2: dudes at work. There are accusations like, quote, he yelled expletives.

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Speaker 2: That's part of it. Okay, there are you guys, a

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Speaker 2: bunch of children. I hear that stuff all the time.

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Speaker 2: Another allegation is he held a men only cocktail hour. Well,

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Speaker 2: how else are you supposed to have a conversation? You

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Speaker 2: have to have a male only again, so a lot

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Speaker 2: of these things are this. But he also revoked work

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Speaker 2: perks from women who didn't flirt with him. He took

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Speaker 2: only young attractive associates in a limousine to a ball.

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Speaker 2: Apparently there's a lawsuit claiming discrimination, harassment, all kinds of things.

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Speaker 2: Once again, a reminder to everyone, the second you hear

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Speaker 2: a man in any setting talking like this, your red

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Speaker 2: flags should be waving so fast you can't see anything

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Speaker 2: being second, gentlemen, changed your own view of perceived gender

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Speaker 2: roles of what it means to be a.

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Speaker 3: Man's This is something I've thought about a lot and

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Speaker 3: something I've spoken about a lot.

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Speaker 1: There's too much of toxicity. It's masculine.

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Speaker 2: Too much toxicity, says the guy with his secretary on

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Speaker 2: his lap in the back of a limousine on the

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Speaker 2: way to an LA ball after male only cocktail.

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Speaker 3: Out and toxicity out there, and we've kind of confused

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Speaker 3: what it means to be a man, what it means

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Speaker 3: to be masculine.

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Speaker 1: Where you've got this trope out there that you've.

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Speaker 3: Got to be tough and angry and lash out to

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Speaker 3: be strong.

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Speaker 1: It's just the opposite. You know. Strength is how you

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Speaker 1: show your love.

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Speaker 2: Ah, we know you don't have to lash out, Doug,

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Speaker 2: just give her another back cave for people.

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Speaker 3: Strength is how you are for people and how you

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Speaker 3: have their back, and how you stick up for other

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Speaker 3: people and pushing up.

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Speaker 2: You already told her once. Don't make me pull out

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Speaker 2: a left and tell her.

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Speaker 1: To washing out against bullies. I mean, that's what I

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Speaker 1: believe it is.

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Speaker 3: So every time I can speak against this toxicity. We're

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Speaker 3: seeing it with our younger people. We're seeing it in

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Speaker 3: our discourse and our politics and the media. You're seeing

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Speaker 3: it as it relates to so many of the issues

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Speaker 3: that we're pushing back on.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, even if you are a feminist, which

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Speaker 2: I don't know why you'd want to be that, but

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Speaker 2: even if you are a feminist, as soon as you

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Speaker 2: hear a man talking like that, there's a reason. And

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Speaker 2: it's not because she loves women so much. I promise

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Speaker 2: you that. And now he's a headline. Why, oh, you

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Speaker 2: know the thing headlines we didn't get to. Dems claim

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Speaker 2: public schools mostly run by Dems are racists. Well, this

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Speaker 2: all comes back to what we talked about before. The

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Speaker 2: communist he wants control of everything. He doesn't want control

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Speaker 2: of most things. When he looks at the public school system,

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Speaker 2: he sees a couple islands that are still unconquered. You

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Speaker 2: look at the public school system and you're mortified by

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Speaker 2: how much of it is under communist control. He's mortified

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Speaker 2: that any of it has escaped his control. Just go,

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Speaker 2: Floridians told to get moving as Hurricane Milton closes in

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Speaker 2: obviously that is something happening as we speak. Say a

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Speaker 2: prayer for the people of Florida. If you are listening

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Speaker 2: to the sound of my voice, we are praying for you.

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Speaker 2: We are rooting for you. You are going to be fine.

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Speaker 2: Don't panic. Use your head, all right. Report government sends

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Speaker 2: electric chainsaws to Appalachian town without power. Look, I'm all

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Speaker 2: on board with some modern technology, and I'm okay with

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Speaker 2: some electric tools. I actually have a battery powered driver

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Speaker 2: and a couple battery powered things at home. Battery powered

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Speaker 2: chainsaw that just doesn't sound right at all. If I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna cut my leg off, I want to do it

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Speaker 2: with fuel. Major US water company hit by a cyber attack.

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Speaker 2: I do the best I can to not think about

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Speaker 2: all the parts, the critical parts of our society that

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Speaker 2: are tied to the Internet and tied to computers, because

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Speaker 2: there are some very dangerous hackers out there who can

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Speaker 2: do some very dangerous things. Stolen Vienna sausages lead a

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Speaker 2: Look you take my Vienna sausages, it's on pal I

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Speaker 2: will stab you in the chest. California faces waves of

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Speaker 2: lawsuits over gender identity notification in schools. I love that

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Speaker 2: we're being more litigious. What Chris Voter registration group giving

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Speaker 2: away Taylor Swift tickets is led by Eric Adams Operative

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Speaker 2: who was convicted of voter fraud. Just half of the

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Speaker 2: Democrat efforts in this country are various ways they can

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Speaker 2: just do things against the law in order to electioneer

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Speaker 2: and win elections. They just it really is this all

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Speaker 2: encompassing crime empire they have. It's amazing. Resistance is justified.

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Speaker 2: Columbia students celebrate October seventh as pro Hamas demonstration turns

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Speaker 2: violent in New York City. No way Hamas violent. That's crazy. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow is going to be an awesome day too. You

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Speaker 2: can email us, you can leave us a voicemail. Maybe

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Speaker 2: we'll even let you call tomorrow. That's all