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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hoard and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I Just want to Rule

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<v Speaker 1>Moss leaves up and start again. Addition, as I discussed

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals off season priorities with one of Cincinnati's best sportscasters,

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<v Speaker 1>Fox nineteen sports director Joe Danoman. Plus we'll celebrate the

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<v Speaker 1>two year anniversary of the Fumble in the Jungle with

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's a quick reminder that you can have the

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest thing since Manning and Belichick on Burrow. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so much great NFL content out there these days that

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to catch everything. And one show that I

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<v Speaker 1>meant to watch this year but never really did. Was

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<v Speaker 1>called The Breakdown with Peyton and Belichick, featuring Peyton, Manning,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bill Belichick analyzing film of upcoming games. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>Bill is coaching again at the University of North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine that the show will not continue. And if

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<v Speaker 1>that's the case, one of the final episodes featured the

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<v Speaker 1>two legends looking ahead to the Bengals Cowboys game on

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<v Speaker 1>December ninth. It begins with Peyton looking at burrows brilliance

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<v Speaker 1>and ends with Belichick analyzing some of the Bengals problems

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<v Speaker 1>on defense. If you have ESPN Plus and want to

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<v Speaker 1>check it out, just look for the Breakdown with Peyton

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<v Speaker 1>and Belichick. Now let's get to my first guest. Years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a TV sports anchor at Fox nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>and Cincinnati, we hired a young man out of my

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<v Speaker 1>alma mater, Syracuse University, named Joe Dana. Joe has been

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<v Speaker 1>the primary sports anchor there for about twenty years, and

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<v Speaker 1>since he grew up in northern Kentucky, he's been following

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals for his entire life. He joined me this

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<v Speaker 1>week to discuss coaching changes, free agency, and the upcoming draft. Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start by publicly congratulating you on being

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<v Speaker 1>named Ohio Sportscaster of the Year. We worked together at

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<v Speaker 1>Fox nineteen many years ago, and when I was a

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<v Speaker 1>local TV sports caster, it was so much easier than

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<v Speaker 1>it is now. You wrote, you talked, maybe you do

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of editing. Nowadays you do everything. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how you do it, But as I've told

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<v Speaker 1>you privately and as I've said publicly, I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>there's anybody in the country doing a better job as

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<v Speaker 1>a local TV sports anchor and reporter. So I hope

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<v Speaker 1>this award let you know how your peers feel about

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<v Speaker 1>you and your work ethic and the great stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Thank you, and this one was completely unexpected. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew I was a finalist. I thought the award was

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<v Speaker 2>named after you at this point. As I told you

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<v Speaker 2>on text, and as I tweeted as well publicly, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that the so many people that have been involved

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<v Speaker 2>in my career getting it started mentoring me take a

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<v Speaker 2>small bit of this award as well, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're all a product of who we grew up working with,

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<v Speaker 2>looking up to, and as I get into this part

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<v Speaker 2>of my career. I take great pleasure in seeing some

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<v Speaker 2>of my former interns and former co workers do great

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<v Speaker 2>things themselves. In fact, one of my great thrills was

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<v Speaker 2>last summer I was a finalist for an Emmy Award

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the other finalists was a former intern

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<v Speaker 2>of mine. So to share that moment with him, knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that he's had success and I was a small bit

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<v Speaker 2>a part of it, I was very rewarding. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what this award to me is. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>everybody that has influenced me a lot the way knows

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<v Speaker 2>that they're a big part of this award as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus Dan. At the actual event, Iron Eagle is being awarded,

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<v Speaker 2>the national sportscaster Mike Turrico is going into the Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame. So I just can't wait to be around

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<v Speaker 2>guys like that at this event and get my picture

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<v Speaker 2>taken with them and shake their hand and tell them

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<v Speaker 2>how much of a fan I am of them.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the best part about being named the State

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<v Speaker 1>Sportscaster of the Year, whatever state you're from, If you're

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<v Speaker 1>able to attend the event, which is in North Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>every summer, you meet all of these people that you

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<v Speaker 1>have tremendous admiration and respect for you. Develop relationships with them,

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out, having a beverage. It's really fun. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad that you're going to be able to go, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you'll have a great experience.

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<v Speaker 2>What's great is every time I see Mike Turrico, whenever

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<v Speaker 2>he's in town to call a Bengals game, I name

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<v Speaker 2>drop you every single time. Only two things I have

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<v Speaker 2>to do with Mike Rico are say the word Syracuse

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<v Speaker 2>and Dan Horde, and he literally stops and talks to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You can tell he's on the move to go somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got somewhere important to be, but he always has

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<v Speaker 2>a story about you and always has a nice word

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<v Speaker 2>to say about Syracuse. I know he's still very involved

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<v Speaker 2>in Syracuse in decision making and very much involved with

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<v Speaker 2>the administration and the athletics. So to make Syracuse proud

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<v Speaker 2>of this too, not just my mentors and all the

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<v Speaker 2>people I've worked with, but to go to a place

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<v Speaker 2>like that that has such a great reputation and now

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<v Speaker 2>to be a small brick in that massive colossus that

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<v Speaker 2>is the Syracuse broadcasting family, I'm proud of that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's talk about the Cincinnati Bengals and a

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<v Speaker 1>very important offseason that is underway. Let's start with how

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<v Speaker 1>last year finished. Was the five game winning streak to

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<v Speaker 1>end the year momentum in any way, or just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a reminder of what could have been?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's more the latter, And I've talked

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<v Speaker 2>to Zach Taylor about this. I talked about in season,

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<v Speaker 2>week to week momentum or season to season momentum. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny because you'll hear him say that sometimes, but

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you in private conversations he doesn't believe

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<v Speaker 2>in that. He believes in momentum and games, but he

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<v Speaker 2>does not believe in week to week, season to season momentum.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think it's a reminder of what this

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<v Speaker 2>team can be when they get functional play from their defense,

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<v Speaker 2>and they got that the final few weeks of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we can all look at the offenses they've played,

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<v Speaker 2>we can pick apart the quarterbacks that they went up against.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think there's a reminder here, right that once

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<v Speaker 2>you get late in the season and Joe Burrow has

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<v Speaker 2>had an entire year, and you know, I have to

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<v Speaker 2>stand on this and eat these words. Dan I said

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<v Speaker 2>before the season on every podcast and every radio appearance

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<v Speaker 2>I did, every time I was on TV, I guaranteed

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<v Speaker 2>that if Joe Burrow played seventeen games, this team would

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<v Speaker 2>make the playoffs. I mean it took basically this season.

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<v Speaker 2>That was an act of God for this team not

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<v Speaker 2>to make the playoffs with Joe playing seventeen games. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have to own it that they didn't make the

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<v Speaker 2>playoffs and he played the entire year. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a reminder of what this core is capable of.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think it's a reminder, especially going back

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<v Speaker 2>to that Denver game, a reminder of what this success

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<v Speaker 2>in this window is built upon. It's built upon Burrow,

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<v Speaker 2>Chase Higgins. And that's going to be one of those

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<v Speaker 2>driving questions here the next couple of months after what

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<v Speaker 2>we saw those three do the final five weeks of

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<v Speaker 2>the season.

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<v Speaker 1>So when Joe came out after the Dallas game and

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<v Speaker 1>his postgame news conference really out of the blue and said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we can keep t Higgins. We've had conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>He sounded confident that was going to happen. What was

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<v Speaker 1>your reaction, because I was really caught off guard.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was standing on the field in Dallas. We

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<v Speaker 2>had two cameras down there. We were doing the live

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals postgame show. So I'm on the field with one camera.

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<v Speaker 2>We have another camera inside for Joe Burrows press conference.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know how it goes when you're on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>The press corps towards is playing. I can hear it

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<v Speaker 2>in my ears, but also at the same time, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>discussing with the producers where we're going next. We got video,

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<v Speaker 2>we got graphics, we've got commercials. And I hear Joe

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<v Speaker 2>say that, and I told everybody stop. I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to hear this and what he's saying right here,

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<v Speaker 2>because did I miss something or did Joe just say

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<v Speaker 2>what he just said? And to me, that changed the

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<v Speaker 2>entire tone about this conversation going forward. Now, I've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this multiple times and here's my take on this situation. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe has a plan of what he wants for T Higgins.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we know what Jamar and T's plans are

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<v Speaker 2>to keep this together as well. I've always wondered, is

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Jamar T's plan in alignment with the front office's

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<v Speaker 2>plan and so we don't know that we won't find

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<v Speaker 2>that out here until this starts to play out. But

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<v Speaker 2>what I think Joe has now done, and we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about the evolution of Joe Burrow the quarterback, the player,

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<v Speaker 2>the celebrity, the person here in Cincinnati, un there are

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<v Speaker 2>levels to where he's going now raised himself within the

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<v Speaker 2>organization with his success, with his professional maturity and with

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<v Speaker 2>his understanding of rosters now and what he needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be successful, that he's put himself, I believe, in a

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<v Speaker 2>position where he has to be kept in the loop

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<v Speaker 2>about what this organization is going to do with T. Higgins,

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<v Speaker 2>where if they do make a decision one way or

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<v Speaker 2>the other, I think Joe has now put himself in

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<v Speaker 2>position where they have to say, Okay, Joe, here's what

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like if we keep T. Here's option B

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<v Speaker 2>of what it looks like if we decide to move

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<v Speaker 2>on from T and reallocate that money somewhere else. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important that Joe has put himself in

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<v Speaker 2>position that he's not necessarily a decision maker, but he

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<v Speaker 2>has to understand the thought process of whatever it is

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<v Speaker 2>they do do with T. Higgins. And I think He's

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<v Speaker 2>earned that with what he means of this organization.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the way it should be. You're in the

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow business. It's not a matter of trying to

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<v Speaker 1>keep him happy. I hear people say things like that, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a koutout of what Joe wants. It's not that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's he's your best player. He's the face of the

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<v Speaker 1>frameise and he's a smart guy. So if he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>this is the best path going forward, then it probably

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<v Speaker 1>is the best path going forward. Without knowing what the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers are going to be, so let's talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. They're going to try to extend Jamar

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Jefferson got thirty five million a year last year

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<v Speaker 1>for four years, so that's the beginning number, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to be higher than that.

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<v Speaker 2>For T.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a team out there that would pay him

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<v Speaker 1>thirty million dollars a year? And if so, is it

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<v Speaker 1>realistic to do both at those numbers or does T

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<v Speaker 1>have to come in more in the twenty six twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven million dollar range.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think that I would think you'd probably have

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<v Speaker 2>to come into twenty six twenty seven million dollar range

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<v Speaker 2>for the Bengals, and yes, there was a team out

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<v Speaker 2>there who will give him thirty million dollars, But it's

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<v Speaker 2>on the Bengals not to let that happen, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the important part of this offseason. They still do

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<v Speaker 2>have the power of flexing the second franchise tag and

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<v Speaker 2>not letting T Higgins get to free agency. And what

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<v Speaker 2>they decide to do there with that is they can

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<v Speaker 2>franchise tag them and they can negotiate a long term

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<v Speaker 2>contract to keep him here. The question is what does

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<v Speaker 2>T Higgins and what does his agent want, because they

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<v Speaker 2>still have power themselves to flex in this situation as

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<v Speaker 2>far as you know, if they're not happy with the situation,

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<v Speaker 2>will T be here? Will he show up and do it?

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<v Speaker 2>And everything we've seen from T so far in his career,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been very professional. Even during this situation in the offseason.

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<v Speaker 2>He was here and he was a training camp and

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<v Speaker 2>he was practicing a training camp understanding that he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get what he wanted, which is a long term deal

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<v Speaker 2>here in Cincinnati. But to answer your question, yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>certainly a team out there who will pay T. Higgins

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of money. Outside of quarterback, I would put

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<v Speaker 2>wide receiver right there with defensive end as that the

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<v Speaker 2>value positions that every team in the NFL is trying

0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.720
<v Speaker 2>to find and trying to find difference makers. But you said,

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals are in the Joe Burrow business. The Bengals

0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.439
<v Speaker 2>are in the Big three business. They're in the Jamar

0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Chase T. Higgins, Joe Burrow business. That's what makes them unique,

0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.880
<v Speaker 2>that's what makes them a Super Bowl contender. And we

0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:11.839
<v Speaker 2>could talk about defense, and we will, and we could

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<v Speaker 2>talk about improving the run game and we will this offseason.

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<v Speaker 2>But as long as you have those three and I

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<v Speaker 2>know sometimes it comes with an eye roll of people

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<v Speaker 2>on social media. No one wanted to face this team

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<v Speaker 2>in the playoffs, right, And I don't think Kansas City

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<v Speaker 2>went out and laid down to keep Joe Burrow out

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<v Speaker 2>of the playoffs. Maybe they did. Maybe they did, And

0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.120
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. They have that prerogative. And I would say this.

0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I had this conversation with Zach. I said, if the

0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.640
<v Speaker 2>shoe was on the other foot, Zach, and you had

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<v Speaker 2>the number one seed and Patrick Mahomes was lurking right

0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.559
<v Speaker 2>there as the seventh seed, what would you do? And

0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:48.880
<v Speaker 2>he said to me, he said, listen, if we were

0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:52.040
<v Speaker 2>two times Super Bowl defending champions and we were fifteen

0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.520
<v Speaker 2>and one, there wouldn't be a team in football that

0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.800
<v Speaker 2>scared me. And I said, good answer, But but yeah,

0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.520
<v Speaker 2>we saw how that played. So to answer your question,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the narrative has changed here in Cincinnati as

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<v Speaker 2>far as T Higgins in his future in Cincinnati. Where

0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought midway of the season, this was it. This

0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.240
<v Speaker 2>was the last dance of the Chicago Bulls, right, the

0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Big three, last dance that Denver game, to me is

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<v Speaker 2>when I flipped and you saw the value of T

0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Higgins and what he means to this team in such

0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.080
<v Speaker 2>a big game late in the season. For him to

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<v Speaker 2>perform score three touchdowns and the attention he draws away

0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.720
<v Speaker 2>from Jamar Chase, I'm sold. You gotta do what you

0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.160
<v Speaker 2>gotta do. He has to be kept. And to me,

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<v Speaker 2>those are the top two priorities of the offseason because

0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.440
<v Speaker 2>they set in motion every other domino that goes with

0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.080
<v Speaker 2>this team this offseason. They've got to get Jamar Dunn

0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.720
<v Speaker 2>as soon as possible, and they have to make their

0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.680
<v Speaker 2>decision on T Higgins. And if it were me, I'm

0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.960
<v Speaker 2>paying him. I'm keeping them. He's got to stay here

0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.880
<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati because those three together is what makes the

0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Bengals unique.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I flipped when Joe started talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>the way he did and expressing confidence that it could happen.

0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.760
<v Speaker 1>That implied to me that, you know, he's willing to

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever it takes. T is willing to come back

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<v Speaker 1>for maybe a little less than he might be able

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<v Speaker 1>to get on the open market. I don't think Joe

0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.959
<v Speaker 1>would have said what he said if that wasn't the case.

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<v Speaker 1>I was probably ninety ten that it wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen until that point. Now I think it's at least

0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:24.080
<v Speaker 1>fifty to fifty, maybe a little bit better. It's really interesting, though,

0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.320
<v Speaker 1>because you've got Trey Hendrickson thrown in there as well.

0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.200
<v Speaker 1>He's got a year left on his deal. He'd certainly

0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.480
<v Speaker 1>like to reward him for the great player that he's

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<v Speaker 1>been and maybe extend that for a couple of years

0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.280
<v Speaker 1>if you can. He's you know, he's thirty, but he's

0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.840
<v Speaker 1>certainly not playing like he's approaching the back nine. I

0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:46.680
<v Speaker 1>guess my priorities are Jamar first, Trey second, t third.

0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:49.240
<v Speaker 1>If they can do all of that, and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be very interesting to see if they can.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we've documented how important those three were this year, Joe,

0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Jamar and Trey to what this team was and what

0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.760
<v Speaker 2>they did, you know, setting NFL records and the first

0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.160
<v Speaker 2>team in NFL history the lead in passing guards, receiving yards,

0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.520
<v Speaker 2>in sacks, and trade to me is such an interesting

0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.480
<v Speaker 2>case because of what happened last offseason with him and

0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:18.800
<v Speaker 2>him demanding a trade and then coming back and having

0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the kind of season he did. And if I'm Trey

0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.240
<v Speaker 2>Hendrickson at age thirty and I've had the year that

0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I just had and the years that I've had in Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got one last chance here, I would think, at

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<v Speaker 2>one last big contract. And you mentioned it him being

0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:36.360
<v Speaker 2>thirty years old. It doesn't feel like a guy who's

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<v Speaker 2>playing at thirty years old. It feels like this guy

0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:46.000
<v Speaker 2>can be an elite pass rusher for multiple seasons going forward.

0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.520
<v Speaker 2>And so is there a world where you can reward

0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.120
<v Speaker 2>him as you said and extend him in a smaller window.

0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.720
<v Speaker 2>And if I'm Trey Hendrickston and I'm his agent, I

0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.160
<v Speaker 2>certainly want some kind of security for multiple years going

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<v Speaker 2>forward and find the Bengals, and I'm bringing in a

0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.360
<v Speaker 2>new defensive coordinator. You want that cornerstone of a guy

0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.960
<v Speaker 2>that's a difference maker, a game wrecker. They're on the

0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.160
<v Speaker 2>defensive end. Those are hard to find. And it was

0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.119
<v Speaker 2>funny because mid season, when the Bengals defense was struggling

0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.480
<v Speaker 2>the way it was and people are trying to come

0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.400
<v Speaker 2>up with solutions on how to make this team better.

0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.560
<v Speaker 2>You know they're talking about the Max Crosby's of the

0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.440
<v Speaker 2>world and pick your favorite defensive end. NFL teams aren't

0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.840
<v Speaker 2>giving these guys up. These guys are really hard to find,

0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:29.960
<v Speaker 2>and when they do get them in their organization, they're

0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.680
<v Speaker 2>doing everything they can to keep them. And I hope

0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.080
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals have the same idea about Trey Hendrickson because

0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.360
<v Speaker 2>they're very hard to find. The Bengals had been trying

0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:42.200
<v Speaker 2>to draft guys that can play opposite him and produce

0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.960
<v Speaker 2>at a consistent level, and it's hard to find. I mean,

0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Joseph Asais shown flashes, Miles Garrett shown better flashes this year.

0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Excuse me not Miles Garrett, Miles Murphy. But when you

0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.280
<v Speaker 2>talk about these guys and you bring them in, you

0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.160
<v Speaker 2>draft them, and you try to develop them, it's hard

0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.400
<v Speaker 2>It's just hard to find guys that can do what

0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Trey Hendrickson did and does, so when you do get one,

0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.960
<v Speaker 2>you have to reward him and whatever Trey wants. I

0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.200
<v Speaker 2>think they have to listen here because they understand a

0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.480
<v Speaker 2>guy going into his final year of his contract after

0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.560
<v Speaker 2>what he did last offseason, is most likely wants to

0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.639
<v Speaker 2>have more security than just a one year deal. So

0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.399
<v Speaker 2>I fully think this is going to be one of

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<v Speaker 2>the difficult conversations this team has in the offseason is

0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.880
<v Speaker 2>how to best take care of Trey Hendrickson because they

0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.320
<v Speaker 2>cannot let him get out the door because of what

0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of a difference maker he is for this defense.

0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:36.160
<v Speaker 1>People age differently. He certainly does not appear to be

0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:41.040
<v Speaker 1>getting old at age thirty. He's like Selma Hayek. He's

0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:45.000
<v Speaker 1>aging gracefully, that's for sure. Let's talk about defensive coordinator.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have an ideal candidate or a type of

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<v Speaker 1>coach that you would like to see them higher for

0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:51.200
<v Speaker 1>that position.

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<v Speaker 2>I like Al Golden a lot. I like the fact

0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.680
<v Speaker 2>that he's been in Cincinnati, he's worked with Zach Taylor before,

0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.240
<v Speaker 2>and for him to take Notre Dame to the precipice

0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:05.679
<v Speaker 2>of a national championship built on a defense of physicality,

0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.560
<v Speaker 2>development of young players who have gotten better into his system,

0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.879
<v Speaker 2>and there's some creativity also in his system as well

0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.040
<v Speaker 2>at Notre Dame. It's gonna be interesting. I'm gonna be

0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.280
<v Speaker 2>down in Atlanta this weekend and certainly Al Golden will

0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.080
<v Speaker 2>be one of my targets to talk to about his

0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:26.040
<v Speaker 2>future after this game coming on Monday night against Ohio State.

0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.280
<v Speaker 1>First question, or will you soften him up a little bit? First?

0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.240
<v Speaker 2>You know how these situations go. There's gonna be all

0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.720
<v Speaker 2>around him. Yeah, So it's gonna be He's gonna take

0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.919
<v Speaker 2>that question at least ten different times. I'll do it

0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.760
<v Speaker 2>like this, and I've learned the art of question asking

0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.359
<v Speaker 2>from the great Dan Horde. I think you have to

0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.560
<v Speaker 2>give him a question he can answer and you can

0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:49.720
<v Speaker 2>get insight into what he's going to say. So I'm

0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:54.400
<v Speaker 2>curious about his experience in Cincinnati, are working with Zach Taylor,

0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:58.480
<v Speaker 2>what he liked about it, what he thinks of this

0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.800
<v Speaker 2>job here in Cincinnati, Because you talk about defensive coordinators

0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.600
<v Speaker 2>and people that look around the league and look for

0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.720
<v Speaker 2>the best positions for them to go, and how could

0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.040
<v Speaker 2>you not want to come to Cincinnati to where you

0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.560
<v Speaker 2>get to work with a team that has Joe Burrow,

0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Jamar Chase, and maybe T Higgins. So you're hitching your

0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.920
<v Speaker 2>wagon to an offense that can win a Super Bowl tomorrow,

0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.159
<v Speaker 2>and quite honestly, all you have to do is just

0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:27.760
<v Speaker 2>be okay as a defensive coordinator for this team to

0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.040
<v Speaker 2>be a contender for a Super Bowl. So yeah, I

0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.240
<v Speaker 2>think I like Al Golden. I love what Matt Eberflus

0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.119
<v Speaker 2>did in Indianapolis. I mean you look back and it

0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of mirrors a little bit of the Bengals here.

0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.960
<v Speaker 2>What he inherited in Indianapolis in twenty eighteen was a

0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.240
<v Speaker 2>team that was giving up twenty five points a game.

0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.160
<v Speaker 2>The Bengals just average given up twenty five points a game.

0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.760
<v Speaker 2>They were thirtieth in the NFL, and defense the Colts

0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.320
<v Speaker 2>were And in one year he went from thirtieth to tenth.

0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.399
<v Speaker 2>So if you're a Cincinnati and you're a Bengals fan

0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.000
<v Speaker 2>and you're looking for a quick fixer, Matt Eberflus is

0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.119
<v Speaker 2>proven he can be a quick fixer. So those are

0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.320
<v Speaker 2>the two names that you read a lot about this,

0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.080
<v Speaker 2>you think about this a lot. Those are the two

0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.560
<v Speaker 2>names to me that really keep jumping up to the

0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.520
<v Speaker 2>top of mind as guys that would be great fits. Now,

0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.040
<v Speaker 2>as far as what Bengals fans should want from a

0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.800
<v Speaker 2>defensive coordinator, I think two things stand out. I think

0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.800
<v Speaker 2>you want a defensive coordinator who's very good with player

0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.680
<v Speaker 2>development because we've seen what this team has to do defensively, right,

0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.320
<v Speaker 2>they have to draft young defensively. They might have to

0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.160
<v Speaker 2>go cheaper defensively because of what they have to pay.

0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.760
<v Speaker 2>We think the Big three going forward on offense, So

0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:35.560
<v Speaker 2>you're going to get a lot of young players. You

0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.720
<v Speaker 2>got to develop these young players and be able to

0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.560
<v Speaker 2>communicate with them what your vision is defensively and help

0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.919
<v Speaker 2>them develop into that system. And also, I think the

0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.399
<v Speaker 2>other thing you need to find out is, and these

0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.280
<v Speaker 2>are hard questions for Zach Taylor and the other members

0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.320
<v Speaker 2>of the front office who are going to do these interviews,

0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:55.879
<v Speaker 2>is how does a coach coach when he has some deficiencies.

0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.080
<v Speaker 2>This defense is not going to be loaded with stars.

0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.479
<v Speaker 2>There were going to be holes. You can't fix this

0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:05.320
<v Speaker 2>in one offseason or one draft. There will be deficiencies.

0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:09.800
<v Speaker 2>How can you coach around those deficiencies and still be successful.

0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:13.800
<v Speaker 2>So development and working through deficiencies I think are very

0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.399
<v Speaker 2>very important, and then also experience, and I think he

0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.240
<v Speaker 2>got that with Al Golden and he got that with

0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Matt Erablus.

0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I got the impression from the little bit of time

0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that I spent with Alan his two years as Bengals

0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.160
<v Speaker 1>assistant coach that he really liked it here. He wasn't

0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.479
<v Speaker 1>one of those assistant coaches that would linger and just

0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:30.639
<v Speaker 1>talk to you NonStop. You know, he kind of had

0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:32.639
<v Speaker 1>to catch him on the move. It seemed like he

0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 1>was always, you know, racing from the practice field to

0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.040
<v Speaker 1>his office, cutting through the cafeteria really quickly with you know,

0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.760
<v Speaker 1>take out food in his hand. But he seemed to

0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:42.920
<v Speaker 1>like it here. I think it's going to come down

0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.200
<v Speaker 1>to does he want to be an NFL coach again

0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.400
<v Speaker 1>or does he really like what he's doing and think

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.119
<v Speaker 1>that it will help him become a college head coach again,

0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:56.679
<v Speaker 1>because he was obviously extremely successful at Temple when nobody

0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 1>won there. He did reasonably well at the University of Miami,

0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.440
<v Speaker 1>a place where the expectations are super high. So if

0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:06.520
<v Speaker 1>he is in fact the guy that they want to hire,

0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.719
<v Speaker 1>it'll be interesting interesting to see if that is his

0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:11.399
<v Speaker 1>priority to be in the NFL again.

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:15.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's curious too, it's been somewhat quiet here. And look,

0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.200
<v Speaker 2>these things take time, and the Bengals will likely talk

0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to some of these candidates multiple times, but it does

0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.400
<v Speaker 2>feel a bit with the timetable that they are waiting

0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.840
<v Speaker 2>on something, whether it be someone who's still coaching in

0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.760
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs or someone who's still coaching in the college

0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.000
<v Speaker 2>football and National Championship and giving his time to do

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.720
<v Speaker 2>this job before they approach him about becoming the Bengals

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.240
<v Speaker 2>defensive coordinator. And I think a lot of eyes will

0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.480
<v Speaker 2>be on Al Golden on Monday Night in that great

0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Ohio State offense, and if he can limit them and

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:52.879
<v Speaker 2>win that game, considering the kind of talent Ohio State

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:58.080
<v Speaker 2>has offensively and really look good doing that, I think

0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:00.640
<v Speaker 2>then a lot of Cincinnati Bengals fans will really start

0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:04.080
<v Speaker 2>to take notice of what he's doing. So we already

0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 2>know you working in this market for for a long time.

0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:11.200
<v Speaker 2>How many fans there are of Notre Dame and Ohio

0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.760
<v Speaker 2>State in the greater Cincinnati area, So the ratings were

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:17.560
<v Speaker 2>always going to be high, but I am curious how

0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.720
<v Speaker 2>many Bengals fans who don't have a dog in this

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:24.160
<v Speaker 2>fight are curious to watch Al Golden his defense match

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.960
<v Speaker 2>up against Chip Kelly, Ryan Day and that talented offense

0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 2>at Ohio State in kind of starting to think, Okay, yeah,

0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.520
<v Speaker 2>this is a guy that coached with Zach Taylor. If

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.679
<v Speaker 2>he can take Notre Dame to this spot and then

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.080
<v Speaker 2>can out coach Ryan Day and Chip Kelly and get

0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:40.200
<v Speaker 2>a win for Notre Dame in that game, I think

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people would be circling Al Golden as

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<v Speaker 2>the next defensive coordinator for the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny you say that, because I would rank one

0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:50.199
<v Speaker 1>of the top five moments of my life as a

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 1>sports fan watching LSU Oklahoma in the semifinals when you

0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 1>knew the Bengals had the number one pick in the draft.

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have a dog in the fight. But Burrow

0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 1>throws seven touchdown passes in the first half, and I

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:09.200
<v Speaker 1>am so giddy knowing that that's our guy. I mean,

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>it's amazing. All these teams I've rooted for my whole life,

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and that is one of my greatest fan moments of

0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:15.399
<v Speaker 1>all time.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was one play in particular where Joe was

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:21.159
<v Speaker 2>flushed out of the pocket. His running towards the sideline,

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 2>he dodged three or four guys, broke a tackle, and

0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 2>threw the ball down the field. And I kind of

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I remember standing in my living room watching that play

0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:31.199
<v Speaker 2>and said, I can't believe this is going to hit

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.479
<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati next season. And it's such a unique thing right

0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:38.119
<v Speaker 2>where you knew, I mean, not many fan bases can

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 2>watch a guy and know that's going to be their guy.

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I remember interviewing Moeger and Rocky Boyman the day after

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:48.719
<v Speaker 2>the National Championship game when Joe was pointing to his

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>ring finger. They were owning the National championship and doing

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 2>the big story the next day about this is going

0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 2>to be the Bengals quarterback, and Moe was already wearing

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:01.440
<v Speaker 2>the T shirt of Joe Smoke the Cigar with LSU,

0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 2>And it was kind of a cool thing for a

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:06.120
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks for Cincinnati. It kind of felt by

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:10.640
<v Speaker 2>proxy was celebrating this National championship for LSU, knowing they

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 2>were getting Joe Burrow and future. No one knew they

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 2>were getting Jamar Chase as well, but that's the way

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.920
<v Speaker 2>it all worked out. But yeah, that's a great point

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:22.239
<v Speaker 2>of kind of comparing the two here of watching Joe

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Burrow in that great run he went on in twenty nineteen.

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Defensive coordinator is obviously a huge hire, but so is

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 1>offensive line coach. I've always felt that there are really

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 1>four he coaches on a staff, the three coordinators and

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the offensive line coach. They almost should call it like

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:43.160
<v Speaker 1>offensive line coordinator. It's that important to a staff. What

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:45.440
<v Speaker 1>does the next guy need to improve.

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because I think if you look at the

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 2>playoffs last weekend, and there were six games, and we

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 2>talked so much about the NFL being a quarterback driven

0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 2>league and a passing driven league. I challenge anybody to

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.400
<v Speaker 2>go back and look at the winners from last week,

0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and I have them all written down here. I think

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:05.400
<v Speaker 2>you could go look at the box scores and you're

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 2>not going to find any quarterback who had a huge

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:12.760
<v Speaker 2>game and just had that MVP moment in throwing the ball.

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 2>There's nobody with four hundred yards passing and three touchdowns.

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 2>And certainly Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen have their moments,

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>but these games were one with defense and running.

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Nobody threw for three hundred yards and four of the

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:29.160
<v Speaker 1>six winners rushed for one hundred and sixty five plus, So.

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 2>That points to when you get into the playoffs, you

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 2>still have to play defense. You still have to run

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 2>the ball. And to your point, if you took the

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 2>six winning teams, they combined for more than a thousand

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 2>yards rushing, and those six wins the losing teams combined

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 2>for five hundred, so they doubled them up. So running

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>the game, running the ball still matters. And the interesting

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 2>thing about the Bengals is, you know, they finished last

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 2>year third worse in the NFL with ninety three yards

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 2>rushing per game. That number is a little bit skew

0:26:57.880 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 2>just because of who the Bengals are and the way

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.439
<v Speaker 2>they're that they're always going to be at least a

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:07.120
<v Speaker 2>sixty to forty passing to run offense, maybe even more,

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 2>maybe sixty five to thirty five considering the offensive talent

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.199
<v Speaker 2>they have a quarterback and wide receiver. But if they

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 2>can just get better in the margins in the run game,

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>they average four point one yards per carry, and I

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>think Chase Brown has been a great fit, especially in

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:23.679
<v Speaker 2>the second half of the season what he's done. If

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 2>they can just get that from like four point one

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 2>yards per carry to something like four point six. All

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, you drop from bottom ten, you jump

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 2>all the way to the top ten. An efficiency and

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:35.359
<v Speaker 2>running the ball, and what a difference maker that is

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.360
<v Speaker 2>going forward, because as you mentioned, it's not just offensive

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 2>line coordinator, this is run game coordinator. That was Frank

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Pollock's title here in Cincinnati. So you can see that

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 2>running the ball, playing defense still matters. That's why this

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.480
<v Speaker 2>coaching higher matters, just maybe not as much as defensive coordinator,

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.400
<v Speaker 2>but it's an important higher for this team going forward.

0:27:56.640 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 2>And also the makeup of the offensive right to we

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>talked about development with the defensive coordinator. You know, he's

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 2>whoever the offensive line coach is is inheriting a right tackle,

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.360
<v Speaker 2>one of Marius Mimms, who's young. Ted Terrris is probably

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 2>nearing the end of his time and since not maybe

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 2>his career as he gets older that they're likely going

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to be replacing at least one of their guards. So

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 2>there's young players development cohesion that this new offensive line

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 2>coach is going to have to have going forward. And

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 2>I think there has to be an emphasis understanding what

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:36.680
<v Speaker 2>just happened in the playoffs, What we've seen going forward

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 2>that running the football matters even if you have Joe

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Burrow and Jamar Chase, that you still have to do

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 2>it at an efficient level. So very important higher to

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 2>me considering the makeup of the offensive line, and also

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>what we just witnessed watching the first weekend of the

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 2>NFL playoffs in the importance of running the football at

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 2>an efficient clip.

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>They scored the most points of any team Enfranchise his

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>They finished second in points per game of any team

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>in franchise history, So it's hard to complain much about

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the offense and the plays they're calling and the way

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>it's structured. Having said all that, to me, being more

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 1>efficient in the running game is about helping to protect

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow and in some cases from himself. So I

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>was with you prior to the season. In every interview

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 1>I did, I said, if Joe Burrow's healthy, they will

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>be a Super Bowl contender, and that's not the way

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>it played out. But I want to maximize the possibilities

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 1>going forward that he always plays seventeen games, and I

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>think one of the ways they can do that is

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>being more efficient in the run game. So I'm with

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 1>you on the importance of that from the next guy

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>in this role.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>And if you really want to get into the analytics

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>of Joe Burrow in the run game, he had his

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 2>best year when it came to play action pass numbers.

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>So if you continue to get this running game more efficient,

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 2>you would think by just that being there them running

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 2>it better, that the play action would be that much

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>more dangerous. And I think play action passing lends to

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 2>what you said of protecting Joe as well. Yet his

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 2>best year throwing the ball in play action. I think

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 2>if you're bringing an offensive coordinator, excuse me, an offensive

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 2>line coach who can get this running game going just

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 2>a more efficient clip, it only helps Joe even more

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 2>in that situation as well.

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>All Right, a few more questions for Fox nineteens Joe Daniman.

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>We haven't talked about some of the other free agents

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that have actually reached the end of their contracts. So

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>guys like Mike Hilton, Mikeasicki, BJ hill A, Keen Davis

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>gaither any strong feelings on guys like that and the

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>need to try to retain any of them.

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting, And there's also guys who could have to

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>have their contracts restructured as well, and those will be

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 2>contracts that'll be interesting conversations for this team to have

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 2>in the offseason. Mikeasicki's the one to me that jumps

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 2>right to the top of the list. And I know

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 2>he's listed as a tight end. He's basically a wide receiver.

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>But we saw at the end of the year his

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 2>value and the number of times Joe was going towards him,

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 2>and maybe there was starting to be a little bit

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>more of a cohesion between Joe and Mike Kasicki and

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 2>in the plays they like to use together. And we've

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 2>seen so many times here in recent years, especially with

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Joe Burrow's quarterback, that it's been this revolving door of

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 2>one year prove it deals for tight ends to come

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 2>to Cincinnati, have a good year with Joe Burrow, the

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.959
<v Speaker 2>go sign a bigger contract somewhere else. And when we

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 2>talked to Mike the day after the season ended, you

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>got the understanding that Mike is is looking for a

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 2>good deal that he hasn't had it line up where

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 2>he's either coming off of a good season or coming

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 2>off of a healthy season and able to sign a

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.719
<v Speaker 2>new contract. But also at the same time, you know

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>he just When he talks about Joe Burrow, he lights up.

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 2>He gushes he got to the best quarterback in the

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 2>league and wants to continue to play with him. But

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 2>it comes down to luxury, right, I mean he would

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 2>be if Jamar stays, if t stays, at best, he's

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 2>your third option, maybe your fourth option, even though he

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>had big games at the end of the year. What's

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>that number look like for Mike is SICKI is really

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>interesting to me. So in a perfect world, yeah, bring

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 2>him back, but we have to understand what Mike wants

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 2>and also that the value of what he gives to

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.240
<v Speaker 2>the team as maybe a third or fourth option. Mike

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Hilton is the one that's fascinating to me because of

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 2>what Mike Hilton has meant to this team, his strengths,

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 2>his weaknesses. He's he's not the perfect player again, a

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 2>guy who's aging at a position where it's hard to age.

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 2>But but find me someone who's who's better at blitzing

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>off the edge. Find someone who's who's better at fitting

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 2>in and mixing into a room like he did in

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 2>the Bangles locker room, and that stuff matters. So so

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 2>the conversation about Mike Hilton going forward. You know he

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 2>was limited in his in his third downs this year,

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 2>but at the same time, whenever the guy was asked

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 2>to make a play, he made plays. He came on

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the year, made a lot of plays.

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 2>So to me, he's fascinating. Bj Hill has been one

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>of the great trade acquisitions in franchise history. What would

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 2>a deal look like for him going forward? Knowing that

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals invested in Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson at

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the top of the draft last year, so each of

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 2>those guys comes with a sure would love them back

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 2>for what they mean, how they fit. But what's the number?

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 2>And that's the interesting part about this. Everybody listening to

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 2>this is a huge Bengals fan. We know this. You

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't listen to podcasts about the Bengals if you weren't

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 2>a huge Bengals fan. So everybody knows about the amount

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 2>of money the Bengals have below the cap to spend.

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 2>They might have even more once they get into cuts

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and salary cap cuts as well. So there's money out

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>there to spend for this team. How will they spend it?

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Who will they spend it on? Is it about keeping

0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.240
<v Speaker 2>their own guys. To me, that's another part of what

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>makes this the most interesting offseason I think the Bengals

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>have had since I've been doing this job.

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Mock drafts have started coming out. It's all a crap

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>shoot at this point. We don't really know who's going

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>to be there at number seventeen. But in terms of

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 1>a position, do you have a strong feeling for what

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 1>they should be looking for with their first pick.

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 2>So it'd have to go in there and look at

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 2>what the draft is deep at. I mean, last year

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 2>it worked out that the Bengals needed an offensive lineman

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and it was deep at offensive line, even though we

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.760
<v Speaker 2>were all watching the draft and watching Brock Bauers slip

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 2>and slip in wonder and the Bengals got out of

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.439
<v Speaker 2>it with the Marius Mims, who I think has been

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 2>a very good fit and a very good draft pick

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 2>and has a great future here in Cincinnati. Certainly, you know,

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 2>you talk about these teams and every team needs a quarterback,

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 2>right and the teams that are near the top of

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the draft or wherever they're drafting, you got to keep

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 2>taking a swing until you get it right. For me,

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 2>that that's me with edge and I've known they They've

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 2>invested a lot of draft capital and edge, but I

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 2>think they have to keep swinging at a difference maker

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 2>coming off the edge until they get it right. Opposite

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 2>of Trey Hendrickson. Whatever they decide to do with Trey,

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 2>whether he's here one year, or they extend him, or

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>if they trade him, who knows what happens with Trey Hendrickson.

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 2>He's not going to be here forever, and there is

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 2>a shelf life on his production as he goes past

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>thirty years old. We all understand that. But I think

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:22.800
<v Speaker 2>this team and I would have to see the draft

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 2>and how it falls out as far as depth at

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.720
<v Speaker 2>that position. But if there's someone there that they believe

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 2>can be the next swing to find someone who can

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>rush the quarterback, that has to be a priority for

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>this team, understanding the other positions of value are already fielded,

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 2>quarterback and wide receiver.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, We've got about four minutes to go on

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 1>this zoom, so I'm going to wrap this up with

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>a few fun fact style questions for Joe Daniman, Are

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>you ready ready your all time favorite athlete in any sport?

0:35:55.360 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 2>And why Kobe Bryant, Because Kobe Bryant was never satisfied

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 2>with success. Kobe Bryant was obsessed with work, What's next

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:10.879
<v Speaker 2>in the famous line of jobs not finished. So as

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 2>someone who prides himself on working hard, not necessarily on talent,

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Kobe Bryant and the the never ending appetite for work

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.720
<v Speaker 2>and improvement is why Kobe Bryant is my number one.

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you a good Kobe Bryant's story after we're finished.

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Your all time favorite sports broadcaster is well.

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.959
<v Speaker 2>Immediately went to Marty Brenneman because he was the reason

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 2>I got into this business, growing up with Marty and

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 2>listening to him and wanting to do something in the

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 2>same business as someone who I looked up to as

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 2>much as Marty Brenneman. But as I've gotten older and

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.879
<v Speaker 2>listen more, I'm gonna go with.

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I.

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 2>An Eagle was jumped up high on my list. Mike Tarico.

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 2>You know you watch Mike Tico to the Olympics. Yeah,

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 2>and he makes it look so easy and it's it's unbelievable. Yeah,

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I would go with those three. I would go Marty Brenneman,

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Iron Eagle, Mike to Rico as my top three.

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>The happiest you've ever been as a sports.

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:23.240
<v Speaker 2>Fan, I would have to say it was Carmelo Anthony

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:28.760
<v Speaker 2>leading Syracuse to a national championship. Yes, it's interesting because

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 2>during that run, I had some sadness in my life,

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, a personal loss, and you know you're trying

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 2>to find ways to get yourself out of a funk,

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:42.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it just wasn't a good start to

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 2>the two thousand and three year for me. So for

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 2>for Jerry McNamara Carmelo Anthony to take Syracuse to a

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 2>national championship, the funny story is I was supposed to

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 2>go and I was just starting my career at Fox

0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen and I had time to use and I could

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 2>use my vacation. I called all my friends when we

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.319
<v Speaker 2>made the final four, I said, we're going, we gotta go.

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:06.920
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, ah, we can. We got this, We

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:08.840
<v Speaker 2>got that, we got this. And in the day before

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:10.719
<v Speaker 2>the game, we're like, we're going, we're picking you up.

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I can't get out of work now. I

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 2>have to give them at least five days advance for

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.439
<v Speaker 2>them to get somebody to fill my shift. So yeah,

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Carmelo Anthony Jerry McNamara National Championship Jim Beheim finally gets

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 2>his national championship.

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:27.280
<v Speaker 1>To me, that was a great night we were working

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:31.200
<v Speaker 1>together at Fox nineteen. I went, I wonder if that

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>if that's why you couldn't get out of your shift,

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>because I was sorry there.

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:37.839
<v Speaker 2>Well, it led to a great story of you meeting

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 2>up with Jim Baheim after the national championship. That's good

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 2>enough for me.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we are out of time. This was great.

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate your time, Joe. Keep up the tremendous work,

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and again, congratulations on your richly deserved recognition as the

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<v Speaker 1>sportscaster of the Year in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, thanks for having me.

0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>By the way, the Kobe Bryant story wasn't anything. I

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:02.360
<v Speaker 1>just didn't want to run out of time with Joe.

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:06.480
<v Speaker 1>The story is actually courtesy of UC basketball coach Wes Miller,

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:09.719
<v Speaker 1>who was in the stands in Los Angeles for a

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 1>game in two thousand and five when Kobe Bryant had

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 1>sixty two points at the end of the third quarter.

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 1>At that point in the game, Kobe had sixty two

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and the Lakers opponent, Dallas had sixty one. The Lakers

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 1>had a huge lead at that point, and when Phil

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Jackson asked Kobe if he wanted to go back in

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>in the fourth quarter. He said no, adding that he

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.479
<v Speaker 1>would have another night like it. Roughly a month later,

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Kobe scored eighty one against the Raptors. The Bengals Booth

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<v Speaker 1>on January fifteenth, my friend Morrison pointed out on social

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>media that it was the two year anniversary of what

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 1>is arguably the greatest single play in Bengals history, the

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Fumble in the Jungle, Sam Hubbard's ninety eight yard fumble

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>return touchdown against Baltimore that gave Cincinnati a thrilling twenty

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 1>four to seventeen playoff win. Not too long ago, I

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 1>sat down with Sam to answer a few questions I

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:27.839
<v Speaker 1>had about the play, including did Ravens tight end Mark

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Andrews get a piece of his shoe on the run back,

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>did Marcus Bailey get away with an illegal block in

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the back? And what nickname for the play? Does Sam prefer?

0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Fumble in the jungle or the Hubbard yard dash. Here's

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>a four minute look back.

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 3>Third down and goal from the one hundred sticks the

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:48.799
<v Speaker 3>ball out.

0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 1>The Bengals have the boy.

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:54.879
<v Speaker 3>They are running it back Sam Hubbard with blockers behind him.

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Hubbard of the Ravens forty, the thirty, the twenty, the ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Touchdown.

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:08.879
<v Speaker 3>Bengalso Tyler Hudley tried to extend the ball over the

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 3>goal line, it got poked away. Sam Hubbard scooped it

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 3>up and ran the length of the field for a

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 3>go ahead Bengals touchdown.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's turn the clock back seventeen all twelve

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:25.799
<v Speaker 1>minutes to go on the fourth quarter, third and goal

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 1>from the one. Described what happened in as much detail

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:29.439
<v Speaker 1>as you can.

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was a fourteen play drive, so we're all

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 4>pretty gassed down in the one yard line, kind of

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 4>backs against the wall. The quarterback decided to try and

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 4>go over the top of the pile and a quarterback

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 4>sneak and Logan Wilson and Jermaine Pratt punched the ball

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 4>out landed in my hands and had enough gas to

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:49.879
<v Speaker 4>get the end zone and ended up winning the game

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 4>for US.

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 1>You glanced back a couple of times early. It looked

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:56.800
<v Speaker 1>like you looked at the video board in the midst

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 1>of the run. Did you have a sense of what

0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:00.799
<v Speaker 1>was behind you? Uh?

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 4>I kind of was backwards on the jumbo tron, so

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 4>I swerved the wrong way because it's backwards. But I

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 4>had some blockers with me. Yeah, I was all blur.

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 4>I just am glad that I didn't get tripped up

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:15.800
<v Speaker 4>on the ten yard line.

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Mark Andrews looked like Usain Bolt as he tried to

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.840
<v Speaker 1>run you down. He dove at your feet around the twenty.

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 1>You stumbled ever so slightly. Did he get a piece

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:26.240
<v Speaker 1>of your shoe?

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:28.720
<v Speaker 4>I think I was just trying to pick my feet up. Uh,

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, usually I'm on the other end of that,

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 4>trying to take out the runner's ankles. But uh, you know,

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.399
<v Speaker 4>I just know that you've picked your feet up. Keep him,

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 4>keep them chopping, and you're gonna You're gonna get in

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 4>the end zone.

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Marcus Bailey came dangerously close to a possible blocking in

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 1>the back call. Ravens fans obviously think he was guilty.

0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 4>Was that a.

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Topic of discussion when you all look back at the tape?

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 4>No, I was a clean blockie, you know he was.

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 4>He turned his back and he was lateral with him,

0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.439
<v Speaker 4>so you know, you can't really call that. But uh,

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 4>great for by Mark. He's a hell of a player.

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 4>Be competing against him since college and I got the

0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:06.200
<v Speaker 4>utmost respect for him.

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.839
<v Speaker 1>We've all seen the famous shot of you in the

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:12.240
<v Speaker 1>oxygen mask? Did you request it? How did that come about?

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.720
<v Speaker 4>I truly was completely exhausted. I don't think I could

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:18.560
<v Speaker 4>play anymore of the game. I really emptied the tank

0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:21.520
<v Speaker 4>after that drive straight into that run, and I had

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:24.840
<v Speaker 4>nothing left. But I had some teammates that stepped up

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:26.759
<v Speaker 4>for me and finished out the game.

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:37.360
<v Speaker 2>The Cincinnati kuld Hotard's gonna come by Chase by Andrews

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 2>with the three the twenty well stop.

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I went to college with Mike Tariko. I'm sure you've

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 1>heard his famous call of the play where he first

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.839
<v Speaker 1>used the Cincinnati kid. What did you you and your

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:53.799
<v Speaker 1>family think of that?

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 4>I thought it was perfect. A credit to him for

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.479
<v Speaker 4>doing the research, talking to Doug Rosfeld before the game,

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:04.319
<v Speaker 4>knowing my you know, just knowing everybody's story and being

0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 4>so invested in the game he was calling and really

0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:07.760
<v Speaker 4>made for a special moment.

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.360
<v Speaker 1>The play was ninety eight yards, you actually covered one

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty three. You always do sprints at the

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.080
<v Speaker 1>at the end of practice. Does that cross your mind

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 1>now as you're doing those sprints.

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:22.439
<v Speaker 4>No, I'm just getting in shape for the season and

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:25.479
<v Speaker 4>get myself ready for whatever happens next. You know, I've

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 4>made some big plays at the end of the game

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:29.839
<v Speaker 4>the last couple of pro seasons, just being in better

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 4>shape than everybody else, and that's something I continue to

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 4>plan on doing.

0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the greatest single play in franchise history

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.439
<v Speaker 1>as a Cincinnati native. What does that mean?

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:42.320
<v Speaker 4>It means a lot. It's got its place in history,

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 4>and I look forward to continuing to build on that legacy.

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Fumble in the Jungle or the Hubbard yard dash. I'll

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 1>let the people decide that I'm a fumble in the

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Jungle guy.

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I like that too, Thanks Sam, Yeah, thank you.

0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:01.359
<v Speaker 1>As I said to Sam, I think it's the single

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.840
<v Speaker 1>greatest play in Bengals history, but it's certainly not Sam's

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:08.800
<v Speaker 1>only great moment in the AFC Championship game the year before.

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.840
<v Speaker 1>The Chiefs were four yards away from a go ahead

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 1>touchdown with about ninety seconds to go when Hubbard sacked

0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Mahomes on back to back plays to force Kansas

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 1>City to settle for an overtime forcing field goal. On

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:27.400
<v Speaker 1>the second sack, Mahomes had more than nine seconds to

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 1>throw before Hubbard ran them down and actually forced to

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:34.800
<v Speaker 1>fumble that Joe Tooney recovered for k C. Had the

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Bengals come up with the ball to end the game,

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:39.839
<v Speaker 1>Sam could have had the fumble in the jungle and

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 1>the Sam slam at arrowhead. That's going to do it

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