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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hoard and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I Just want to Rule

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Speaker 1: Moss leaves up and start again. Addition, as I discussed

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Speaker 1: the Bengals off season priorities with one of Cincinnati's best sportscasters,

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Speaker 1: Fox nineteen sports director Joe Danoman. Plus we'll celebrate the

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Speaker 1: two year anniversary of the Fumble in the Jungle with

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Speaker 1: Now here's a quick reminder that you can have the

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Speaker 1: or computer by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing since Manning and Belichick on Burrow. There's

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Speaker 1: so much great NFL content out there these days that

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Speaker 1: it's hard to catch everything. And one show that I

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Speaker 1: meant to watch this year but never really did. Was

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Speaker 1: called The Breakdown with Peyton and Belichick, featuring Peyton, Manning,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick analyzing film of upcoming games. Now that

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Speaker 1: Bill is coaching again at the University of North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: I imagine that the show will not continue. And if

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Speaker 1: that's the case, one of the final episodes featured the

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Speaker 1: two legends looking ahead to the Bengals Cowboys game on

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Speaker 1: December ninth. It begins with Peyton looking at burrows brilliance

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Speaker 1: and ends with Belichick analyzing some of the Bengals problems

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Speaker 1: on defense. If you have ESPN Plus and want to

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Speaker 1: check it out, just look for the Breakdown with Peyton

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Speaker 1: and Belichick. Now let's get to my first guest. Years ago,

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Speaker 1: when I was a TV sports anchor at Fox nineteen

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Speaker 1: and Cincinnati, we hired a young man out of my

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Speaker 1: alma mater, Syracuse University, named Joe Dana. Joe has been

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Speaker 1: since he grew up in northern Kentucky, he's been following

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Speaker 1: the Bengals for his entire life. He joined me this

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Speaker 1: week to discuss coaching changes, free agency, and the upcoming draft. Joe,

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Speaker 1: I want to start by publicly congratulating you on being

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Speaker 1: named Ohio Sportscaster of the Year. We worked together at

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Speaker 1: Fox nineteen many years ago, and when I was a

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Speaker 1: it is now. You wrote, you talked, maybe you do

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Speaker 1: don't know how you do it, But as I've told

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Speaker 1: you privately and as I've said publicly, I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: there's anybody in the country doing a better job as

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Speaker 1: a local TV sports anchor and reporter. So I hope

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Speaker 1: this award let you know how your peers feel about

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Speaker 1: you and your work ethic and the great stuff that

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Speaker 1: you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Well. Thank you, and this one was completely unexpected. I

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Speaker 2: knew I was a finalist. I thought the award was

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Speaker 2: on text, and as I tweeted as well publicly, I

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Speaker 2: hope that the so many people that have been involved

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Speaker 2: small bit of this award as well, because I think

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Speaker 2: we're all a product of who we grew up working with,

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Speaker 2: looking up to, and as I get into this part

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Speaker 2: of my career. I take great pleasure in seeing some

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Speaker 2: of my former interns and former co workers do great

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Speaker 2: things themselves. In fact, one of my great thrills was

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Speaker 2: last summer I was a finalist for an Emmy Award

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Speaker 2: of mine. So to share that moment with him, knowing

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Speaker 2: that he's had success and I was a small bit

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Speaker 2: that they're a big part of this award as well.

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Speaker 2: Plus Dan. At the actual event, Iron Eagle is being awarded,

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Speaker 2: of Fame. So I just can't wait to be around

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Speaker 2: guys like that at this event and get my picture

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Speaker 1: That is the best part about being named the State

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Speaker 2: What's great is every time I see Mike Turrico, whenever

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Speaker 2: and Dan Horde, and he literally stops and talks to me.

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Speaker 2: You can tell he's on the move to go somewhere.

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Speaker 2: He's got somewhere important to be, but he always has

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Cincinnati Bengals and a

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Speaker 1: very important offseason that is underway. Let's start with how

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Speaker 1: last year finished. Was the five game winning streak to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's more the latter, And I've talked

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Speaker 2: But I do think it's a reminder of what this

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Speaker 2: Now we can all look at the offenses they've played,

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Speaker 2: But I think there's a reminder here, right that once

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Speaker 2: That was an act of God for this team not

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Speaker 1: So when Joe came out after the Dallas game and

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Speaker 1: He sounded confident that was going to happen. What was

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Speaker 2: So I was standing on the field in Dallas. We

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Speaker 2: We have another camera inside for Joe Burrows press conference.

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Speaker 2: And you know how it goes when you're on TV.

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Speaker 2: entire tone about this conversation going forward. Now, I've talked

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Speaker 2: what I think Joe has now done, and we've talked

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Speaker 2: the celebrity, the person here in Cincinnati, un there are

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Speaker 2: levels to where he's going now raised himself within the

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Speaker 2: I think it's important that Joe has put himself in

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Speaker 1: And that's the way it should be. You're in the

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Speaker 1: you got a koutout of what Joe wants. It's not that.

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Speaker 1: It's he's your best player. He's the face of the

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Speaker 1: is the best path going forward. Without knowing what the

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Speaker 1: a little bit. They're going to try to extend Jamar

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Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson got thirty five million a year last year

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Speaker 2: For T.

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Speaker 1: Is there a team out there that would pay him

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Speaker 2: there who will give him thirty million dollars, But it's

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Speaker 2: on the Bengals not to let that happen, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's the important part of this offseason. They still do

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Speaker 2: have the power of flexing the second franchise tag and

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Speaker 2: not letting T Higgins get to free agency. And what

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Speaker 2: And so is there a world where you can reward

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Speaker 2: And if I'm Trey Hendrickston and I'm his agent, I

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Speaker 2: You know they're talking about the Max Crosby's of the

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Speaker 2: It's just hard to find guys that can do what

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Speaker 2: I fully think this is going to be one of

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Speaker 1: People age differently. He certainly does not appear to be

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Speaker 1: Do you have an ideal candidate or a type of

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Speaker 2: I like Al Golden a lot. I like the fact

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Speaker 1: First question, or will you soften him up a little bit? First?

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Speaker 2: You know how these situations go. There's gonna be all

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Speaker 2: We think the Big three going forward on offense, So

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Speaker 2: is how does a coach coach when he has some deficiencies.

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Speaker 2: This defense is not going to be loaded with stars.

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Speaker 2: There were going to be holes. You can't fix this

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Speaker 1: I got the impression from the little bit of time

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Speaker 1: because he was obviously extremely successful at Temple when nobody

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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting interesting to see if that is his

432
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: priority to be in the NFL again.

433
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 2: And it's curious too, it's been somewhat quiet here. And look,

434
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: these things take time, and the Bengals will likely talk

435
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: to some of these candidates multiple times, but it does

436
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 2: feel a bit with the timetable that they are waiting

437
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: on something, whether it be someone who's still coaching in

438
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 2: the playoffs or someone who's still coaching in the college

439
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: football and National Championship and giving his time to do

440
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: this job before they approach him about becoming the Bengals

441
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. And I think a lot of eyes will

442
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 2: be on Al Golden on Monday Night in that great

443
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: Ohio State offense, and if he can limit them and

444
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 2: win that game, considering the kind of talent Ohio State

445
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: has offensively and really look good doing that, I think

446
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 2: then a lot of Cincinnati Bengals fans will really start

447
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: to take notice of what he's doing. So we already

448
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: know you working in this market for for a long time.

449
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: How many fans there are of Notre Dame and Ohio

450
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: State in the greater Cincinnati area, So the ratings were

451
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: always going to be high, but I am curious how

452
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: many Bengals fans who don't have a dog in this

453
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: fight are curious to watch Al Golden his defense match

454
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: up against Chip Kelly, Ryan Day and that talented offense

455
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: at Ohio State in kind of starting to think, Okay, yeah,

456
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: this is a guy that coached with Zach Taylor. If

457
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 2: he can take Notre Dame to this spot and then

458
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: can out coach Ryan Day and Chip Kelly and get

459
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: a win for Notre Dame in that game, I think

460
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 2: a lot of people would be circling Al Golden as

461
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: the next defensive coordinator for the Bengals.

462
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Speaker 1: It's funny you say that, because I would rank one

463
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: of the top five moments of my life as a

464
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: sports fan watching LSU Oklahoma in the semifinals when you

465
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: knew the Bengals had the number one pick in the draft.

466
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: I didn't have a dog in the fight. But Burrow

467
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: throws seven touchdown passes in the first half, and I

468
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: am so giddy knowing that that's our guy. I mean,

469
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: it's amazing. All these teams I've rooted for my whole life,

470
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: and that is one of my greatest fan moments of

471
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: all time.

472
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Speaker 2: And there was one play in particular where Joe was

473
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: flushed out of the pocket. His running towards the sideline,

474
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: he dodged three or four guys, broke a tackle, and

475
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: threw the ball down the field. And I kind of

476
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: I remember standing in my living room watching that play

477
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 2: and said, I can't believe this is going to hit

478
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 2: Cincinnati next season. And it's such a unique thing right

479
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: where you knew, I mean, not many fan bases can

480
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: watch a guy and know that's going to be their guy.

481
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: I remember interviewing Moeger and Rocky Boyman the day after

482
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 2: the National Championship game when Joe was pointing to his

483
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: ring finger. They were owning the National championship and doing

484
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: the big story the next day about this is going

485
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: to be the Bengals quarterback, and Moe was already wearing

486
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: the T shirt of Joe Smoke the Cigar with LSU,

487
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: And it was kind of a cool thing for a

488
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 2: couple of weeks for Cincinnati. It kind of felt by

489
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 2: proxy was celebrating this National championship for LSU, knowing they

490
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: were getting Joe Burrow and future. No one knew they

491
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: were getting Jamar Chase as well, but that's the way

492
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: it all worked out. But yeah, that's a great point

493
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 2: of kind of comparing the two here of watching Joe

494
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: Burrow in that great run he went on in twenty nineteen.

495
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: Defensive coordinator is obviously a huge hire, but so is

496
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: offensive line coach. I've always felt that there are really

497
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: four he coaches on a staff, the three coordinators and

498
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: the offensive line coach. They almost should call it like

499
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: offensive line coordinator. It's that important to a staff. What

500
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: does the next guy need to improve.

501
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I think if you look at the

502
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: playoffs last weekend, and there were six games, and we

503
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: talked so much about the NFL being a quarterback driven

504
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 2: league and a passing driven league. I challenge anybody to

505
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 2: go back and look at the winners from last week,

506
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: and I have them all written down here. I think

507
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 2: you could go look at the box scores and you're

508
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: not going to find any quarterback who had a huge

509
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: game and just had that MVP moment in throwing the ball.

510
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: There's nobody with four hundred yards passing and three touchdowns.

511
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 2: And certainly Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen have their moments,

512
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: but these games were one with defense and running.

513
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: Nobody threw for three hundred yards and four of the

514
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: six winners rushed for one hundred and sixty five plus, So.

515
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: That points to when you get into the playoffs, you

516
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: still have to play defense. You still have to run

517
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: the ball. And to your point, if you took the

518
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: six winning teams, they combined for more than a thousand

519
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: yards rushing, and those six wins the losing teams combined

520
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: for five hundred, so they doubled them up. So running

521
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: the game, running the ball still matters. And the interesting

522
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: thing about the Bengals is, you know, they finished last

523
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: year third worse in the NFL with ninety three yards

524
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: rushing per game. That number is a little bit skew

525
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: just because of who the Bengals are and the way

526
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 2: they're that they're always going to be at least a

527
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: sixty to forty passing to run offense, maybe even more,

528
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: maybe sixty five to thirty five considering the offensive talent

529
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 2: they have a quarterback and wide receiver. But if they

530
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: can just get better in the margins in the run game,

531
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: they average four point one yards per carry, and I

532
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: think Chase Brown has been a great fit, especially in

533
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: the second half of the season what he's done. If

534
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: they can just get that from like four point one

535
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: yards per carry to something like four point six. All

536
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you drop from bottom ten, you jump

537
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: all the way to the top ten. An efficiency and

538
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: running the ball, and what a difference maker that is

539
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 2: going forward, because as you mentioned, it's not just offensive

540
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: line coordinator, this is run game coordinator. That was Frank

541
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: Pollock's title here in Cincinnati. So you can see that

542
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: running the ball, playing defense still matters. That's why this

543
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: coaching higher matters, just maybe not as much as defensive coordinator,

544
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: but it's an important higher for this team going forward.

545
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: And also the makeup of the offensive right to we

546
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: talked about development with the defensive coordinator. You know, he's

547
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: whoever the offensive line coach is is inheriting a right tackle,

548
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: one of Marius Mimms, who's young. Ted Terrris is probably

549
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: nearing the end of his time and since not maybe

550
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: his career as he gets older that they're likely going

551
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: to be replacing at least one of their guards. So

552
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: there's young players development cohesion that this new offensive line

553
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: coach is going to have to have going forward. And

554
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: I think there has to be an emphasis understanding what

555
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: just happened in the playoffs, What we've seen going forward

556
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: that running the football matters even if you have Joe

557
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: Burrow and Jamar Chase, that you still have to do

558
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: it at an efficient level. So very important higher to

559
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: me considering the makeup of the offensive line, and also

560
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: what we just witnessed watching the first weekend of the

561
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: NFL playoffs in the importance of running the football at

562
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: an efficient clip.

563
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: They scored the most points of any team Enfranchise his

564
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: They finished second in points per game of any team

565
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: in franchise history, So it's hard to complain much about

566
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: the offense and the plays they're calling and the way

567
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: it's structured. Having said all that, to me, being more

568
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: efficient in the running game is about helping to protect

569
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and in some cases from himself. So I

570
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: was with you prior to the season. In every interview

571
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: I did, I said, if Joe Burrow's healthy, they will

572
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: be a Super Bowl contender, and that's not the way

573
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: it played out. But I want to maximize the possibilities

574
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: going forward that he always plays seventeen games, and I

575
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: think one of the ways they can do that is

576
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: being more efficient in the run game. So I'm with

577
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: you on the importance of that from the next guy

578
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: in this role.

579
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: And if you really want to get into the analytics

580
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: of Joe Burrow in the run game, he had his

581
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: best year when it came to play action pass numbers.

582
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: So if you continue to get this running game more efficient,

583
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: you would think by just that being there them running

584
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: it better, that the play action would be that much

585
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: more dangerous. And I think play action passing lends to

586
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: what you said of protecting Joe as well. Yet his

587
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: best year throwing the ball in play action. I think

588
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: if you're bringing an offensive coordinator, excuse me, an offensive

589
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: line coach who can get this running game going just

590
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: a more efficient clip, it only helps Joe even more

591
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: in that situation as well.

592
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: All Right, a few more questions for Fox nineteens Joe Daniman.

593
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: We haven't talked about some of the other free agents

594
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: that have actually reached the end of their contracts. So

595
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: guys like Mike Hilton, Mikeasicki, BJ hill A, Keen Davis

596
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: gaither any strong feelings on guys like that and the

597
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: need to try to retain any of them.

598
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: It's interesting, And there's also guys who could have to

599
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: have their contracts restructured as well, and those will be

600
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: contracts that'll be interesting conversations for this team to have

601
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: in the offseason. Mikeasicki's the one to me that jumps

602
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: right to the top of the list. And I know

603
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: he's listed as a tight end. He's basically a wide receiver.

604
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: But we saw at the end of the year his

605
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: value and the number of times Joe was going towards him,

606
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: and maybe there was starting to be a little bit

607
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: more of a cohesion between Joe and Mike Kasicki and

608
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: in the plays they like to use together. And we've

609
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: seen so many times here in recent years, especially with

610
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's quarterback, that it's been this revolving door of

611
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: one year prove it deals for tight ends to come

612
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: to Cincinnati, have a good year with Joe Burrow, the

613
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 2: go sign a bigger contract somewhere else. And when we

614
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: talked to Mike the day after the season ended, you

615
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: got the understanding that Mike is is looking for a

616
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: good deal that he hasn't had it line up where

617
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: he's either coming off of a good season or coming

618
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: off of a healthy season and able to sign a

619
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 2: new contract. But also at the same time, you know

620
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: he just When he talks about Joe Burrow, he lights up.

621
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: He gushes he got to the best quarterback in the

622
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: league and wants to continue to play with him. But

623
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: it comes down to luxury, right, I mean he would

624
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: be if Jamar stays, if t stays, at best, he's

625
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: your third option, maybe your fourth option, even though he

626
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: had big games at the end of the year. What's

627
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: that number look like for Mike is SICKI is really

628
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: interesting to me. So in a perfect world, yeah, bring

629
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: him back, but we have to understand what Mike wants

630
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: and also that the value of what he gives to

631
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: the team as maybe a third or fourth option. Mike

632
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: Hilton is the one that's fascinating to me because of

633
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: what Mike Hilton has meant to this team, his strengths,

634
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: his weaknesses. He's he's not the perfect player again, a

635
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: guy who's aging at a position where it's hard to age.

636
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: But but find me someone who's who's better at blitzing

637
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: off the edge. Find someone who's who's better at fitting

638
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: in and mixing into a room like he did in

639
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: the Bangles locker room, and that stuff matters. So so

640
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: the conversation about Mike Hilton going forward. You know he

641
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: was limited in his in his third downs this year,

642
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: but at the same time, whenever the guy was asked

643
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: to make a play, he made plays. He came on

644
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: at the end of the year, made a lot of plays.

645
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: So to me, he's fascinating. Bj Hill has been one

646
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: of the great trade acquisitions in franchise history. What would

647
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: a deal look like for him going forward? Knowing that

648
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: the Bengals invested in Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson at

649
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Speaker 2: the top of the draft last year, so each of

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Speaker 2: those guys comes with a sure would love them back

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Speaker 2: for what they mean, how they fit. But what's the number?

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Speaker 2: And that's the interesting part about this. Everybody listening to

653
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Speaker 2: this is a huge Bengals fan. We know this. You

654
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Speaker 2: wouldn't listen to podcasts about the Bengals if you weren't

655
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: a huge Bengals fan. So everybody knows about the amount

656
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Speaker 2: of money the Bengals have below the cap to spend.

657
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Speaker 2: They might have even more once they get into cuts

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Speaker 2: and salary cap cuts as well. So there's money out

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Speaker 2: there to spend for this team. How will they spend it?

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Speaker 2: Who will they spend it on? Is it about keeping

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Speaker 2: their own guys. To me, that's another part of what

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Speaker 2: makes this the most interesting offseason I think the Bengals

663
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Speaker 2: have had since I've been doing this job.

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Speaker 1: Mock drafts have started coming out. It's all a crap

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Speaker 1: shoot at this point. We don't really know who's going

666
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Speaker 1: to be there at number seventeen. But in terms of

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Speaker 1: a position, do you have a strong feeling for what

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Speaker 1: they should be looking for with their first pick.

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Speaker 2: So it'd have to go in there and look at

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Speaker 2: what the draft is deep at. I mean, last year

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Speaker 2: it worked out that the Bengals needed an offensive lineman

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Speaker 2: and it was deep at offensive line, even though we

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Speaker 2: were all watching the draft and watching Brock Bauers slip

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Speaker 2: and slip in wonder and the Bengals got out of

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Speaker 2: it with the Marius Mims, who I think has been

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Speaker 2: a very good fit and a very good draft pick

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Speaker 2: and has a great future here in Cincinnati. Certainly, you know,

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Speaker 2: you talk about these teams and every team needs a quarterback,

679
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Speaker 2: right and the teams that are near the top of

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Speaker 2: the draft or wherever they're drafting, you got to keep

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Speaker 2: taking a swing until you get it right. For me,

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Speaker 2: that that's me with edge and I've known they They've

683
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Speaker 2: invested a lot of draft capital and edge, but I

684
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Speaker 2: think they have to keep swinging at a difference maker

685
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: coming off the edge until they get it right. Opposite

686
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Speaker 2: of Trey Hendrickson. Whatever they decide to do with Trey,

687
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Speaker 2: whether he's here one year, or they extend him, or

688
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: if they trade him, who knows what happens with Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to be here forever, and there is

690
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Speaker 2: a shelf life on his production as he goes past

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Speaker 2: thirty years old. We all understand that. But I think

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Speaker 2: this team and I would have to see the draft

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Speaker 2: and how it falls out as far as depth at

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Speaker 2: that position. But if there's someone there that they believe

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Speaker 2: can be the next swing to find someone who can

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Speaker 2: rush the quarterback, that has to be a priority for

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Speaker 2: this team, understanding the other positions of value are already fielded,

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Speaker 2: quarterback and wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: All Right, We've got about four minutes to go on

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Speaker 1: this zoom, so I'm going to wrap this up with

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Speaker 1: a few fun fact style questions for Joe Daniman, Are

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Speaker 1: you ready ready your all time favorite athlete in any sport?

703
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Speaker 2: And why Kobe Bryant, Because Kobe Bryant was never satisfied

704
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Speaker 2: with success. Kobe Bryant was obsessed with work, What's next

705
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 2: in the famous line of jobs not finished. So as

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Speaker 2: someone who prides himself on working hard, not necessarily on talent,

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Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant and the the never ending appetite for work

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Speaker 2: and improvement is why Kobe Bryant is my number one.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you a good Kobe Bryant's story after we're finished.

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Speaker 1: Your all time favorite sports broadcaster is well.

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00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 2: Immediately went to Marty Brenneman because he was the reason

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Speaker 2: I got into this business, growing up with Marty and

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Speaker 2: listening to him and wanting to do something in the

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Speaker 2: same business as someone who I looked up to as

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Speaker 2: much as Marty Brenneman. But as I've gotten older and

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Speaker 2: listen more, I'm gonna go with.

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Speaker 1: I.

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Speaker 2: An Eagle was jumped up high on my list. Mike Tarico.

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Speaker 2: You know you watch Mike Tico to the Olympics. Yeah,

720
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Speaker 2: and he makes it look so easy and it's it's unbelievable. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would go with those three. I would go Marty Brenneman,

722
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Speaker 2: Iron Eagle, Mike to Rico as my top three.

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Speaker 1: The happiest you've ever been as a sports.

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Speaker 2: Fan, I would have to say it was Carmelo Anthony

725
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Speaker 2: leading Syracuse to a national championship. Yes, it's interesting because

726
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: during that run, I had some sadness in my life,

727
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Speaker 2: you know, a personal loss, and you know you're trying

728
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Speaker 2: to find ways to get yourself out of a funk,

729
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: you know, and it just wasn't a good start to

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Speaker 2: the two thousand and three year for me. So for

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Speaker 2: for Jerry McNamara Carmelo Anthony to take Syracuse to a

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Speaker 2: national championship, the funny story is I was supposed to

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Speaker 2: go and I was just starting my career at Fox

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Speaker 2: nineteen and I had time to use and I could

735
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Speaker 2: use my vacation. I called all my friends when we

736
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Speaker 2: made the final four, I said, we're going, we gotta go.

737
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, ah, we can. We got this, We

738
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Speaker 2: got that, we got this. And in the day before

739
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: the game, we're like, we're going, we're picking you up.

740
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't get out of work now. I

741
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: have to give them at least five days advance for

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Speaker 2: them to get somebody to fill my shift. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony Jerry McNamara National Championship Jim Beheim finally gets

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Speaker 2: his national championship.

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Speaker 1: To me, that was a great night we were working

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Speaker 1: together at Fox nineteen. I went, I wonder if that

747
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: if that's why you couldn't get out of your shift,

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Speaker 1: because I was sorry there.

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Speaker 2: Well, it led to a great story of you meeting

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Speaker 2: up with Jim Baheim after the national championship. That's good

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Speaker 2: enough for me.

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Speaker 1: All right, we are out of time. This was great.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time, Joe. Keep up the tremendous work,

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Speaker 1: and again, congratulations on your richly deserved recognition as the

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Speaker 1: sportscaster of the Year in Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Dan, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Kobe Bryant story wasn't anything. I

758
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: just didn't want to run out of time with Joe.

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Speaker 1: The story is actually courtesy of UC basketball coach Wes Miller,

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Speaker 1: who was in the stands in Los Angeles for a

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Speaker 1: game in two thousand and five when Kobe Bryant had

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Speaker 1: sixty two points at the end of the third quarter.

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Speaker 1: At that point in the game, Kobe had sixty two

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Speaker 1: and the Lakers opponent, Dallas had sixty one. The Lakers

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Speaker 1: had a huge lead at that point, and when Phil

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Speaker 1: Jackson asked Kobe if he wanted to go back in

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. He said no, adding that he

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Speaker 1: would have another night like it. Roughly a month later,

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Speaker 1: Kobe scored eighty one against the Raptors. The Bengals Booth

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Speaker 1: healthcare provider of the Bengals. A couple of days ago,

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Speaker 1: on January fifteenth, my friend Morrison pointed out on social

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Speaker 1: media that it was the two year anniversary of what

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Speaker 1: is arguably the greatest single play in Bengals history, the

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Speaker 1: Fumble in the Jungle, Sam Hubbard's ninety eight yard fumble

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Speaker 1: return touchdown against Baltimore that gave Cincinnati a thrilling twenty

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Speaker 1: four to seventeen playoff win. Not too long ago, I

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Speaker 1: sat down with Sam to answer a few questions I

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Speaker 1: had about the play, including did Ravens tight end Mark

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Speaker 1: Andrews get a piece of his shoe on the run back,

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Speaker 1: did Marcus Bailey get away with an illegal block in

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Speaker 1: the back? And what nickname for the play? Does Sam prefer?

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Speaker 1: Fumble in the jungle or the Hubbard yard dash. Here's

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Speaker 1: a four minute look back.

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Speaker 3: Third down and goal from the one hundred sticks the

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Speaker 3: ball out.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals have the boy.

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Speaker 3: They are running it back Sam Hubbard with blockers behind him.

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Speaker 3: Hubbard of the Ravens forty, the thirty, the twenty, the ten.

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Speaker 1: Touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Bengalso Tyler Hudley tried to extend the ball over the

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Speaker 3: goal line, it got poked away. Sam Hubbard scooped it

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Speaker 3: up and ran the length of the field for a

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Speaker 3: go ahead Bengals touchdown.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's turn the clock back seventeen all twelve

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Speaker 1: minutes to go on the fourth quarter, third and goal

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Speaker 1: from the one. Described what happened in as much detail

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Speaker 1: as you can.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a fourteen play drive, so we're all

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00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 4: pretty gassed down in the one yard line, kind of

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00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 4: backs against the wall. The quarterback decided to try and

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Speaker 4: go over the top of the pile and a quarterback

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Speaker 4: sneak and Logan Wilson and Jermaine Pratt punched the ball

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Speaker 4: out landed in my hands and had enough gas to

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Speaker 4: get the end zone and ended up winning the game

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Speaker 4: for US.

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Speaker 1: You glanced back a couple of times early. It looked

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Speaker 1: like you looked at the video board in the midst

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Speaker 1: of the run. Did you have a sense of what

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Speaker 1: was behind you? Uh?

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Speaker 4: I kind of was backwards on the jumbo tron, so

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00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 4: I swerved the wrong way because it's backwards. But I

817
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Speaker 4: had some blockers with me. Yeah, I was all blur.

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Speaker 4: I just am glad that I didn't get tripped up

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Speaker 4: on the ten yard line.

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Speaker 1: Mark Andrews looked like Usain Bolt as he tried to

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Speaker 1: run you down. He dove at your feet around the twenty.

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Speaker 1: You stumbled ever so slightly. Did he get a piece

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Speaker 1: of your shoe?

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Speaker 4: I think I was just trying to pick my feet up. Uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, usually I'm on the other end of that,

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Speaker 4: trying to take out the runner's ankles. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: I just know that you've picked your feet up. Keep him,

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Speaker 4: keep them chopping, and you're gonna You're gonna get in

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Speaker 4: the end zone.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Bailey came dangerously close to a possible blocking in

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Speaker 1: the back call. Ravens fans obviously think he was guilty.

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Speaker 4: Was that a.

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Speaker 1: Topic of discussion when you all look back at the tape?

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Speaker 4: No, I was a clean blockie, you know he was.

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Speaker 4: He turned his back and he was lateral with him,

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Speaker 4: so you know, you can't really call that. But uh,

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Speaker 4: great for by Mark. He's a hell of a player.

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Speaker 4: Be competing against him since college and I got the

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Speaker 4: utmost respect for him.

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Speaker 1: We've all seen the famous shot of you in the

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Speaker 1: oxygen mask? Did you request it? How did that come about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I truly was completely exhausted. I don't think I could

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Speaker 4: play anymore of the game. I really emptied the tank

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Speaker 4: after that drive straight into that run, and I had

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Speaker 4: nothing left. But I had some teammates that stepped up

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Speaker 4: for me and finished out the game.

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Speaker 2: The Cincinnati kuld Hotard's gonna come by Chase by Andrews

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Speaker 2: with the three the twenty well stop.

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Speaker 1: I went to college with Mike Tariko. I'm sure you've

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Speaker 1: heard his famous call of the play where he first

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Speaker 1: used the Cincinnati kid. What did you you and your

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Speaker 1: family think of that?

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Speaker 4: I thought it was perfect. A credit to him for

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Speaker 4: doing the research, talking to Doug Rosfeld before the game,

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Speaker 4: knowing my you know, just knowing everybody's story and being

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Speaker 4: so invested in the game he was calling and really

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Speaker 4: made for a special moment.

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Speaker 1: The play was ninety eight yards, you actually covered one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty three. You always do sprints at the

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Speaker 1: at the end of practice. Does that cross your mind

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Speaker 1: now as you're doing those sprints.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm just getting in shape for the season and

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Speaker 4: get myself ready for whatever happens next. You know, I've

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Speaker 4: made some big plays at the end of the game

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Speaker 4: the last couple of pro seasons, just being in better

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Speaker 4: shape than everybody else, and that's something I continue to

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Speaker 4: plan on doing.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the greatest single play in franchise history

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Speaker 1: as a Cincinnati native. What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: It means a lot. It's got its place in history,

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Speaker 4: and I look forward to continuing to build on that legacy.

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Speaker 1: Fumble in the Jungle or the Hubbard yard dash. I'll

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Speaker 1: let the people decide that I'm a fumble in the

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Speaker 1: Jungle guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that too, Thanks Sam, Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: As I said to Sam, I think it's the single

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Speaker 1: greatest play in Bengals history, but it's certainly not Sam's

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Speaker 1: only great moment in the AFC Championship game the year before.

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs were four yards away from a go ahead

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Speaker 1: touchdown with about ninety seconds to go when Hubbard sacked

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes on back to back plays to force Kansas

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Speaker 1: City to settle for an overtime forcing field goal. On

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Speaker 1: the second sack, Mahomes had more than nine seconds to

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Speaker 1: throw before Hubbard ran them down and actually forced to

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Speaker 1: fumble that Joe Tooney recovered for k C. Had the

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Speaker 1: Bengals come up with the ball to end the game,

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Speaker 1: Sam could have had the fumble in the jungle and

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Speaker 1: the Sam slam at arrowhead. That's going to do it

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