Speaker 1: Happy, Happy holidays, Brown Ambition Fam, it's mandra here. As
Speaker 1: you guys know, Tiff and I are taking a little
Speaker 1: break before the new year, but we've still got you
Speaker 1: covered with some of our favorite Brown Ambition moments from
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. All throughout this month, we're looking back
Speaker 1: at memorable conversations and breaking down the most important lessons
Speaker 1: we've learned this year. We can't thank you enough for
Speaker 1: sticking by us in what has become one of our
Speaker 1: biggest years for the show ever. So many amazing memories
Speaker 1: from this year and I cannot wait to revisit some
Speaker 1: of them with all of you. Guys. Are beloved BA fam.
Speaker 1: In this episode, we are breaking down the importance of
Speaker 1: toughening up. First, Are you overwhelmed or just lazy? That's
Speaker 1: the question social justice leader Tamika D. Mallory posed in
Speaker 1: a controversial Instagram post this year. It caused all kinds
Speaker 1: of debate and remains one of our most memorable conversations
Speaker 1: to date. Then, we revisit an inspiring lesson on so
Speaker 1: surviving and thriving through the pandemic with the one and
Speaker 1: only founders of Double Dutch Aerobics, Sean and Michelle Clark.
Speaker 1: Y'all are gonna love this conversation. I have never wanted
Speaker 1: to go dust off my old pair of double Dutch
Speaker 1: ropes more than after this inspiring conversation with Sean and Michelle.
Speaker 1: So sit back, relax, and let's dive into this week's
Speaker 1: throwback episode.
Speaker 2: Hey Hey, Hey, we're back. We're black, We're brown, and its.
Speaker 3: Jean, which I could see me like when I get
Speaker 3: the hands going. It's giving Auntie realness.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I was just gonna say, you are extra
Speaker 1: chocolatey today. I'm seeing like the monochrome lip happening. You're
Speaker 1: kind of blurry, but I feel like you have a
Speaker 1: little bit of bronze a on your eyelid. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I woke up like this. I have not even washed
Speaker 2: my face today.
Speaker 1: This is oh, shut up, I take it back, but
Speaker 1: you look gorgeous.
Speaker 2: I mean I put a hit on it. I was like,
Speaker 2: did you watch your face today? To be I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what I did not.
Speaker 1: I woke up and I took off my acne patch
Speaker 1: at the last minute, so I was like, they're probably
Speaker 1: going to be able to see it. That's where I'm
Speaker 1: at today. Happy random vision Wednesday. How are you a
Speaker 1: mandra I am a little frazzled, but I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: I finally, finally, well, I don't even know if I
Speaker 1: can say finally. It wasn't like something that I was
Speaker 1: thinking about for a long time, but all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I just had this epiphany last week. It's time for
Speaker 1: an admin. It's time for an assistant.
Speaker 2: And not like you like you're gonna say it's time
Speaker 2: for the percolator.
Speaker 1: You're like, it's time for the time for It's not
Speaker 1: a percolator, it's acolator.
Speaker 2: No, it's the percolator. You're showing your age. You're so young.
Speaker 2: So the original song is time for the percolator.
Speaker 3: So now they change to the tculator whatever they talk
Speaker 3: now literally the original song is the percolator.
Speaker 2: And it's like some of your dance to it right now, like.
Speaker 3: It's that slide, like you know, you gotta do the
Speaker 3: it's time for the percolate, like side to side and
Speaker 3: then you got to do your footwork like it's got the.
Speaker 1: Thing you got me just say, okay, young blood, let
Speaker 1: me take you aside and teach you something because.
Speaker 2: I was, and it shows.
Speaker 1: This is why you need people of all different you know,
Speaker 1: ages and backgrounds, because look how much more educated I am.
Speaker 3: That you know that you will not embarrass yourself at
Speaker 3: the at the next family function.
Speaker 2: I hope not.
Speaker 1: I hope not. Lord No, I'm a little I'm a
Speaker 1: little frazzled, but I I finally I found a wonderful
Speaker 1: young woman to help me and be my admin. And
Speaker 1: could not have been I'd been at a better time,
Speaker 1: because it seems like everything has been a little whack
Speaker 1: a doodle the past week, starting with the fact that
Speaker 1: somehow I managed to book so I'm going to Atlanta
Speaker 1: for a thing, and I managed to book two flights
Speaker 1: to Atlanta. So one day two weeks ago, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I finally got details. I'm going to book this flight.
Speaker 1: And then five days went by and I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I just forgot that I had done it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh crap, I got to book this flight.
Speaker 1: I got it, and I set my reminder, and then
Speaker 1: I booked another flight, and then I was looking at
Speaker 1: my calendar and I'm like, why do I have two
Speaker 1: different options one and there are different times leaving and
Speaker 1: different times arriving, Like the brain is just not you
Speaker 1: know where she needs be, so referral. I have a
Speaker 1: really great I don't even know what to call Marisa.
Speaker 1: Marisa is my She's someone that I met in my
Speaker 1: last job and she has become I think I've talked
Speaker 1: about her before. She's sort of like my business budgetnistas
Speaker 1: how I feel. So she and I actually talk every week,
Speaker 1: and we have both been launching our solo business at
Speaker 1: at the same time, and so we just check each other.
Speaker 1: It's like we just ended up having these weekly Friday
Speaker 1: calls and Marisa ended up I could talk about her
Speaker 1: all day. But she is powerhouse professional PR REP. And
Speaker 1: she is on this mission to give black women opportunities
Speaker 1: in PR that they may not otherwise have. And we
Speaker 1: were talking about our sponsor word Tune, and I really
Speaker 1: was meaning. What we were talking about is how important
Speaker 1: written communication is and if you do not have communication
Speaker 1: skills on point, it can really hurt you. But what
Speaker 1: so often happens is people who may have the writing skills,
Speaker 1: they may not have the professional background or specific jobs
Speaker 1: in PR to get those opportunities, and they may be
Speaker 1: wanting to pivot, but it can be hard for them
Speaker 1: to pivot into that career. So Marisa is basically training
Speaker 1: and helping people who have those great communication verbal skills,
Speaker 1: written skills, but they just need some training and coaching
Speaker 1: and how to do that in the context of public
Speaker 1: relations and comms. So anyway, so I was talking to Marisa,
Speaker 1: so she's like, it's time, and I said, I know
Speaker 1: it's time, and then she happened to be working with
Speaker 1: this young woman named Rock. So Hey, Rocks, I'm adding
Speaker 1: you as my assistant. But I'm excited because literally before
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes before we started recording, my little brother Tech
Speaker 1: called me and he's all sound and haggard, and I
Speaker 1: was like, what's wrong, Alex, because I'm staying with him
Speaker 1: in Atlanta because Atlanta is the COVID hell mouth right now.
Speaker 1: And He's like, listen, I got the aches, I got
Speaker 1: the chills, I'm not feel I'm fatigued. Meanwhile, he has
Speaker 1: had COVID, he is vaccinated, so I just to be
Speaker 1: on the safe side, I'm scrambling, I was. I was like, Rocks,
Speaker 1: I got something for you. I need a hotel and
Speaker 1: I have never needed to use the app hotels tonight
Speaker 1: more than yeah, I need it now.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I would say, so here's some here's
Speaker 2: some unsolicited admin advice.
Speaker 1: Give it to me, because I know you've been through
Speaker 1: them girls one or two or three or seven definitely
Speaker 1: for my team was like is it you?
Speaker 2: I'm like, is not me. I've had a lot of
Speaker 2: really awesome trauma.
Speaker 3: But no, But what I've would I learned with admins
Speaker 3: one it actually like whatever, like give her like a
Speaker 3: general name because it's unlikely that Rocks will be with
Speaker 3: you for like the next twenty years. You know, you
Speaker 3: just never know it's possible, but you never know. So
Speaker 3: you know, my admin's name is her real name is Rose.
Speaker 3: But y'all have ever emailed me professionally or otherwise, it's
Speaker 3: always Michelle.
Speaker 2: Whether I've had admin's name.
Speaker 3: Sylvia, Leah, Roseanne, Rose, Talatha, little Candice. I've just had
Speaker 3: so many different admins and but either way, in the
Speaker 3: inox d Molly Vicky Thomas, about three kims.
Speaker 2: Like all write dmx no but for real.
Speaker 3: So so that's always a good idea because it just
Speaker 3: helps us like with continuity, like you know, as your
Speaker 3: brand grows.
Speaker 2: So that's one.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, And honestly, I mean, just like honestly, open
Speaker 3: communication is always key, I believe just this is just
Speaker 3: in general with like teams and whatever. What I've gotten
Speaker 3: really like good at is like I want my admin
Speaker 3: to think what would Tiffany do? So in the beginning,
Speaker 3: you know, we talk all the time. As I'm giving
Speaker 3: her instruction, I like to give her the backstory. So
Speaker 3: I'm like, so, for example, I'm like, you know, let's
Speaker 3: just say something for a brand ambition that you've emailed me.
Speaker 3: So I'm not just like, oh, just let Mandy know, yeah,
Speaker 3: Wednesday's fine. I'm like, so, Mandy's my friend, but we
Speaker 3: have a podcast today together, but we're actually really friends.
Speaker 3: And then so it's important because when she emails you
Speaker 3: that way doesn't sound off formal like hello Mandu, you know.
Speaker 1: And actually why not let him?
Speaker 5: I'm like, just like, hey girl, anyway, be very scary
Speaker 5: and that you're afraid of me.
Speaker 3: So so I just think that like yeah, with admins,
Speaker 3: well with anyone anyway, but especially admins, like you know,
Speaker 3: giving them kind of like I call it the soap opera,
Speaker 3: Like you know, you're like, okay, so this is my
Speaker 3: favorite show.
Speaker 2: So that's Marcus.
Speaker 3: So Marcus really likes Vanessa, but Vanessa is not luck Marcus,
Speaker 3: because it really helps to make like wiser, more holistic
Speaker 3: choices when I'm not as you know, as present.
Speaker 2: And so that was it, honestly.
Speaker 3: But honestly, don't be afraid too because it doesn't take
Speaker 3: It took me a long time to realize.
Speaker 2: It doesn't take a whole day to recognize sunshine.
Speaker 3: Where I've had admins that weren't a fit and kept
Speaker 3: them for a year and drowned instead. So now I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: you know, like there was an admin that we had recently,
Speaker 3: and three days in I was like, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: not a fit. And then within a week I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, we wish you well, but this is not
Speaker 3: a fit. I'm not doing that anymore where I'm gonna
Speaker 3: suffer for a year when something's not a fit. They
Speaker 3: might be a fit someplace else. Because we've had admins
Speaker 3: who've been on the team and now they work on
Speaker 3: another team, you know, because it was a better fit
Speaker 3: for them there. And then just some people who weren't
Speaker 3: just a culture fitted at all. But yeah, like you know,
Speaker 3: because it's such a critical like my COEO Karen is
Speaker 3: my right hand, I tell them and I told.
Speaker 2: Rose, you are my left hand.
Speaker 3: Like You're like you might, you know, if Oprah emails me,
Speaker 3: you'll see it before I do, so, like you know,
Speaker 3: like ADMIN sounds like too small or worting compass.
Speaker 1: I'm stress like, do you want to be on watch
Speaker 1: when Oprah emails? Tiffany be like how does email work?
Speaker 3: Because we get some cool stuff that comes through, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, so it's exciting, you know because
Speaker 3: some of the people like ADMIN that seems like beneath me
Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, sis, like, oh yes, it's so
Speaker 3: critically important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can come up executive assistant, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it, human roll of duct tape.
Speaker 1: Just fix all the things, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: all the teams. Yes, know that, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: I think that for me, I learned I made a
Speaker 1: lot of mistakes running a team and building a team
Speaker 1: and working with assistants in the past. And one of
Speaker 1: the biggest mistakes that I made was not being able
Speaker 1: to particulate what I needed. And I actually still do
Speaker 1: this from time to time. We were just in Saint
Speaker 1: Louis visiting my mom and I'm just not used to
Speaker 1: having help, right, I mean, I have a husband, but
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, and my mom. I'm running
Speaker 1: around and I'm just like stressed out. It's the first
Speaker 1: day we're there. You know, we've thirty we've survived a
Speaker 1: thirty hour road trip, et cetera. And it's I'm trying
Speaker 1: to still work and I'm running around rio. We have
Speaker 1: to like give him allergy medicine. We're looking for like
Speaker 1: one of those little syringes whatever, but no one knew.
Speaker 1: I'm running around with a chicken, like a chicken with
Speaker 1: his head cut off, and I'm just like, I have
Speaker 1: this deadline and in my head, in my head, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, why isn't my mom more helpful? Like why
Speaker 1: isn't she just like seeing what I need? And she's
Speaker 1: and she stopped me, and she's like, I can't help
Speaker 1: you if you don't tell me what you need. And
Speaker 1: I need a some ringe and she's like, oh, this one,
Speaker 1: and she had anyway, so for me, And that's so anyway,
Speaker 1: So me with me and Rocks, it's going to be
Speaker 1: all about you know, I had I did some introspective
Speaker 1: like thinking about what do I need and what are
Speaker 1: some tasks and all of that so that I'm not
Speaker 1: just bringing someone on who has no direction. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know all in yes, I hope I Rocks has
Speaker 1: a cool career of her own and you know, has
Speaker 1: her own business. And it's almost like she has two
Speaker 1: bosses because she also works with Marisa and she knows,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. I kind of like that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, if Maurice is on the phone and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, hey, you know, I'm your boss now
Speaker 1: and just like hang up on Marine.
Speaker 2: I mean I did that.
Speaker 3: I make sure she creates while she's there, like an
Speaker 3: s op, right, a scope of work, like what like
Speaker 3: we got it.
Speaker 1: She's about that business. I had one over the weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thats no, that's excellent.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. We have we have Loom calls.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys use Loom, not calls,
Speaker 3: but like Loom is like these recordings that we do now.
Speaker 3: So it's like to actually show someone and then you click.
Speaker 3: It's like some latrea like our like our tech manager
Speaker 3: on our team kind of like got us used to that.
Speaker 2: It's so helped because I'm not techie.
Speaker 3: So like if I'm like trying to figure out how
Speaker 3: to do a thing, we have like you know, these
Speaker 3: sets of videos like here's how you upload to da
Speaker 3: da da, Here's how you you know, use whatever like
Speaker 3: tool or resource. And it's just so helpful, those short videos.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's how you use it. Yeah, oh
Speaker 2: that's cute design.
Speaker 1: Here for the website, Shirley uses loom.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, yes, that's why. That's why. No, but
Speaker 2: that's great having help. Having help is so good. You
Speaker 2: sent me like an Instagram post speaking of which, can we.
Speaker 1: Talk about it? Yes?
Speaker 4: Ken?
Speaker 1: Why didn't we have to?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 1: I know you're not on ig like you used to be,
Speaker 1: but did you were you aware of it before I
Speaker 1: sent you this?
Speaker 2: Oh? And so did it blow up?
Speaker 1: Okay, it blew up on this person's page. So this
Speaker 1: is and I actually shared it on our stories just
Speaker 1: to get some quick feedback from our audience. Because so
Speaker 1: this is a post that Tamika D. Mallory posted. And
Speaker 1: if you have ever heard of the Women's March that
Speaker 1: happened in twenty seventeen after the inauguration of He who
Speaker 1: must not be named, Tamika was one of the founders
Speaker 1: of that march, and she has become you got over
Speaker 1: a million followers on Instagram she's become a huge social
Speaker 1: activist and she does amazing work. Like this woman is
Speaker 1: a bad, bad woman, and she I mean in a
Speaker 1: good way, you know what I mean, She's amazing and
Speaker 1: I feel what.
Speaker 2: I saw.
Speaker 1: This just pop into my feed, this post that she
Speaker 1: put up, and I will I will read it to
Speaker 1: you guys too. But my gut reaction was something about
Speaker 1: this does not set right with me. But before we
Speaker 1: get into it, because it is, you know, she's been
Speaker 1: getting into it. It has over four thousand comments on her
Speaker 1: own page, and it's starting to make the rounds on
Speaker 1: other black influencer pages. But before we get into it,
Speaker 1: because we do need to talk about it. I think
Speaker 1: I just want to establish that I am not a
Speaker 1: huge fan of like cancel people because they said something
Speaker 1: a bit toned off or whatever. Like this woman has
Speaker 1: done so much for and still does. She just hosted
Speaker 1: an amazing event in Harlem that was free for kids
Speaker 1: and for families anyway, So this maybe was a misstep
Speaker 1: in my opinion, but I don't think it at all.
Speaker 1: It takes away from her the body of work that
Speaker 1: she has done and how much good she has done.
Speaker 1: So that's my disclaimer. But here's so here's the post.
Speaker 1: It's one of those take a picture of a tweet
Speaker 1: and post it things. And she says, IDK, who needs
Speaker 1: to hear this? But you're not overwhelmed. You are lazy
Speaker 1: and unorganized. Wake up earlier, get an agenda, book, create
Speaker 1: a routine, create boundaries, say no, stick to your schedule,
Speaker 1: write down and adhere to your deadlines. You are standing
Speaker 1: in your own way. And her caption said, let me
Speaker 1: write a caption here, because it seems people don't understand
Speaker 1: that every post is not for every person. There are
Speaker 1: many people who just need to focus on their plan,
Speaker 1: stay off the internet and prioritize and stop being lazy.
Speaker 1: That's me at times. And this post is for you
Speaker 1: if you know you can do better, and.
Speaker 3: I will leave it there, and then she liked so
Speaker 3: she did an updated post just so you know, like
Speaker 3: I guess the next post she said she double out yes,
Speaker 3: when I read a post that says I don't know
Speaker 3: who needs to hear this? And then I read the
Speaker 3: post and it doesn't apply to me, I move on.
Speaker 3: I don't tell the person who's post to get they
Speaker 3: are they are wrong about something they feel is important.
Speaker 2: Could it be that it hit you deep.
Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. Here's what I say. Right, you
Speaker 3: are free to post whatever you want, but also people
Speaker 3: are free to respond unless you turned off comments. Right
Speaker 3: and then two. I don't know, girl, because I have
Speaker 3: been on both sides. We're definitely there's times when I've
Speaker 3: just been straight lazy, you know. And there's times when
Speaker 3: I'm overwhelmed. Not because I'm actually overworked. I'm overwhelmed because
Speaker 3: there's underlying stress that is actually causing me. Like I know,
Speaker 3: when I'm feeling stressed, if one nap is not enough,
Speaker 3: like usually I take maybe like forty five minute nap.
Speaker 3: But if I'm like yo, I slept two hours today
Speaker 3: during the day and then I'm still tired and I'm
Speaker 3: tired again. One of the fastest ways that my body
Speaker 3: gives me an indication, Tiffany, you are stressed deeply, so
Speaker 3: borderline depressed is I'm sleepy in a way. That's unap.
Speaker 3: That's not me being lazy. That is my body saying stop.
Speaker 3: We are overwhelmed. For whatever we say, it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: mean overworked, but we are overwhelmed and we are physically
Speaker 3: slowing you down.
Speaker 2: I think she just missed the mark.
Speaker 3: I mean, I get what she's saying, because certainly, you know,
Speaker 3: there are definitely times when it's like, you know, if
Speaker 3: you really could do a little bit more, or you
Speaker 3: could step up. But to say here's the thing, I
Speaker 3: would have just it would have hit better if it
Speaker 3: was like sometimes we've all been lazy and we need
Speaker 3: to get organized, wake up. But to say you're not overwhelmed,
Speaker 3: it's like you're making a judgment. You don't know that
Speaker 3: someone's not overwhelmed. You know, you don't know the cause
Speaker 3: if they're overwhelmed. It just it's an easy, lazy post.
Speaker 3: And then to say, oh, well, oh well, oh well,
Speaker 3: if it doesn't apply to you, it's like, well it
Speaker 3: doesn't work that way. It says you posted it publicly,
Speaker 3: so you get addressed publicly, and that's okay. That's just
Speaker 3: the way the world works. I can freely speak and share,
Speaker 3: and people can freely give me their their feedback, you know,
Speaker 3: so it goes both ways. So I think that it
Speaker 3: was like kind of a miss step there. Although certainly,
Speaker 3: sometimes you know, we need a little kick in the behind,
Speaker 3: But I don't know that this is it.
Speaker 1: This is a thing, and this is why I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like Tiffany, you were right to get off IG
Speaker 1: because this is the danger of being an IG and
Speaker 1: putting yourself You're scrolling through social media land minds is
Speaker 1: how I feel it, and you don't know when you're
Speaker 1: gonna hit one. And I know because as someone who
Speaker 1: who deals with anxiety, and not even I will fully,
Speaker 1: there's a spectrum of anxiety, and I am on the
Speaker 1: border of having like a diagnosed anxiety disorder. But I
Speaker 1: have managed and have people in my life who truly
Speaker 1: have debilitating anxiety disorders that stem from things like sexual assault,
Speaker 1: being abused in the past, or they generally just have
Speaker 1: an anxiety disorder. And I put myself in the shoes
Speaker 1: of someone and having also dealt with my own anxiety,
Speaker 1: who is just scrolling through their IG feed and they
Speaker 1: see this, And this is where her intention doesn't really
Speaker 1: met her, because the thing is the person. Even if
Speaker 1: she says this may not be for everybody, everybody is
Speaker 1: going to see it because you posted it publicly, and
Speaker 1: it's very You say tough love, and I agree. I
Speaker 1: have said things like this to people that I love,
Speaker 1: a cousin, a sibling. I'm the tough love sibling in
Speaker 1: the family, Like I call it like it is. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, which I can do because I think that
Speaker 1: we have such a foundation of love and support and
Speaker 1: they know that it's coming from that place of love
Speaker 1: and support. And that's why I think that's where like
Speaker 1: people that you know personally, I think you can give
Speaker 1: them that tough love and you know. So it sounds
Speaker 1: like she knows some people, maybe three or four or
Speaker 1: I don't know how many who she should have texted
Speaker 1: this too privately. I do not think that the entire
Speaker 1: world and unsuspecting people who may have been scrolling on
Speaker 1: their ig feeds who follow her for her amazing work,
Speaker 1: deserve to see something like this, because I just my
Speaker 1: heart breaks, because even I have been someone who had
Speaker 1: to learn, who had to learn to be gentle with
Speaker 1: people who have anxiety and have mental health issues. I
Speaker 1: am someone who, you know, if you're walking too slow,
Speaker 1: I'm like, just hurry up, Oh your ankle hurts, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: and that's because I am so hard on myself for
Speaker 1: my own self esteem issues. It's my own like I'm
Speaker 1: projecting my insecurity on someone else, you know what I mean? Now,
Speaker 1: where I have learned to be really empathetic to people,
Speaker 1: as I've seen how a fucking to do list and
Speaker 1: an agenda book does not work when you have an
Speaker 1: anxiety disorder. The problem is not that you don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this post and I'm like getting even angrier.
Speaker 1: The problem isn't that they don't know how to do
Speaker 1: the things.
Speaker 2: It's that you.
Speaker 1: Can write down a list step one through ten, and
Speaker 1: if step one is put on your shoes, they are
Speaker 1: still paralyzed, you know, and everything is overwhelming and laying
Speaker 1: on the couch or taking a walk or doing whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, putting their head under a pillow that seems
Speaker 1: like the what their body needs at that time.
Speaker 5: And I just think I still timed right, like there's
Speaker 5: never a good time, right, but meaning like especially now,
Speaker 5: especially now, are we gonna act like there's not collective
Speaker 5: trauma that we're all dealing with.
Speaker 2: And we've seen people die.
Speaker 3: In mass right, scared to go outside, like run, you know,
Speaker 3: running to get your mask every single time, worrying about
Speaker 3: your elderly parents or your grandma.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Now kids are getting the delta variant and dying. I
Speaker 3: saw a four year old just died. We didn't just
Speaker 3: have like these terrible storm systems that passed through. So
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, literally, there is a collective trauma
Speaker 3: that we are experiencing worldwide. You know, this is not
Speaker 3: good times, you know, the nineties, when the when the
Speaker 3: when the economy is doing good worldwide. No, there is
Speaker 3: a collective trauma that we are experiencing as a human
Speaker 3: race period.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: There's no corner of the world that has not been
Speaker 3: experiencing some form of trauma as relates to what's happened
Speaker 3: with COVID, And so I just feel like, although it's
Speaker 3: never a good time, it's actually ill timed because sometimes
Speaker 3: people don't even know that they're experiencing trauma. Like literally,
Speaker 3: I won't know that like something is going on until
Speaker 3: like Superman will be like you all right, and I'm like, yeah, why,
Speaker 3: He's like, this is your third nap today.
Speaker 2: I'm like it is, you know, And I'm like, well.
Speaker 3: Like I'll just be sitting on a cap and I
Speaker 3: can't even keep my eyes open, and I'm like, but
Speaker 3: you slept last night, Tiffany, and I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm weary, but not physically tired.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think, like I hear you says, but well,
Speaker 3: then you have to hear us too, like not as.
Speaker 1: Saying it, and remember that your words have so much power.
Speaker 1: How could she forget?
Speaker 2: How can you forget?
Speaker 1: You can't help but be dificainst that energy. And there's
Speaker 1: plenty of people who were like, yeah, I mean, they're
Speaker 1: thanking her for saying it. And I do think that
Speaker 1: people read this and they were like yop. But I
Speaker 1: also I don't. I don't think this is that much different,
Speaker 1: and maybe I should think before I say this. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think really fast. But remember Rachel Hollis when
Speaker 1: she came out and she said, do you think I'm
Speaker 1: trying to.
Speaker 2: Be relatable relatable?
Speaker 1: Yes? Was Harriet Tubman relatable Da da da da da?
Speaker 1: Now her, it's it's very different. Rachel Hollis is white
Speaker 1: da da da, you know, and she has that whole
Speaker 1: series called girl dot dot Dot, which is you know,
Speaker 1: I think, culturally appropriating, like a phrase that black women started.
Speaker 1: But anyway, and in this case, I just feel like
Speaker 1: it's almost as if she's saying this wasn't for you,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're not if you don't find this,
Speaker 1: if you don't enjoy what I'm saying then it wasn't
Speaker 1: for you, so just keep it moving, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to relate to everybody, but when you
Speaker 1: have a public platform, your words have matter, and they
Speaker 1: they matter and they have such a huge reach. And
Speaker 1: so I just fear for the people who are looking
Speaker 1: at that and internalizing that same dialogue, which is that
Speaker 1: something is wrong with me if I can't do things
Speaker 1: I should have things everyone else should have. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the peril of being on social media, and
Speaker 1: it is one of those I think digital land mines
Speaker 1: that just it goes off, and I think if you're
Speaker 1: the one who plans it there, you have to take
Speaker 1: responsibility for that. I hate that it was her because
Speaker 1: she's wonderful and her work is so extraordinary. But I
Speaker 1: was disappointed, I really was in how she handled the
Speaker 1: whole thing, Like, yeah.
Speaker 3: Girl, Like laziness is not Sometimes laziness is actually the symptom.
Speaker 1: To a greater issue. Isn't that what white people have
Speaker 1: been calling Black people for so long? Or like wanting
Speaker 1: to think that we're just lazy? Yes, why are you complaining?
Speaker 1: Don't be a victim? Wow, it's like internalized racism, internalized patriarchy,
Speaker 1: internalize all the things that are manifesting themselves, and that if.
Speaker 3: You would just do this, Like I have a friend
Speaker 3: that created something and it was stolen from him.
Speaker 2: He's a black creator.
Speaker 3: It was stolen for him, and I'm like, you know
Speaker 3: all the things they say, Well, if you just worked hard,
Speaker 3: he did. He built something that was unique and brought
Speaker 3: it to market connected with an advisor.
Speaker 2: The advisor knew wealthier folks, gave them.
Speaker 3: Back room access to the thing that he built, so
Speaker 3: they were their engineers were able to recreate it, was
Speaker 3: able to raise one hundred million dollars for their project
Speaker 3: off his black back.
Speaker 2: And you'd be like, oh, well, maybe went to school.
Speaker 3: He went to Harvard. I'm sorry, he went to Harvard.
Speaker 3: So all the things you can check off all the lists,
Speaker 3: you can build something, you can work really hard, you
Speaker 3: can go to Harvard. You could do all those things,
Speaker 3: and someone can still come in and take from you
Speaker 3: and create.
Speaker 2: Wealth from them for themselves off of you.
Speaker 3: Hello, hello Elvis Presley, Hello all the TikTokers that take
Speaker 3: all the dances from all the brown babies on TikTok
Speaker 3: you know, and so like that is not something new.
Speaker 3: So I hate when people say that, well, if black
Speaker 3: people just work harder, I'm like, you're kidding, right, you know,
Speaker 3: because that's not really what's happening. You know, it's possible
Speaker 3: to work hard and still be taken from and still
Speaker 3: be stolen from. I mean, it's happened to me, and
Speaker 3: then what do you do?
Speaker 2: Then? How much hard am I supposed to work?
Speaker 3: I can't make miracles happen, you know, It's just like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean so to see that, especially in the landscape
Speaker 3: that we're in now, that's why, like I said, you
Speaker 3: guys to do it's best for you. I am a
Speaker 3: much best place than I was before. When I tell
Speaker 3: you what, right before this, I wasn't laid out for
Speaker 3: a nap. I was like mm hmm, and I have
Speaker 3: a vacation planned in two weeks. And then I have
Speaker 3: a yes, I'm going, so me and me and I
Speaker 3: was gone home. Maybe you don't want to say no,
Speaker 3: well I won't say I will because you don't know where,
Speaker 3: but I'm just gonna go to I was like Superman,
Speaker 3: you know, I've never been to Niagara Falls.
Speaker 2: Let's go for three days. So just book a quick
Speaker 2: three days.
Speaker 3: Jont mid midweek to like Niagara Falls, and then for
Speaker 3: my birthday and Hawaii for a week.
Speaker 1: Okay, a little gym and pam office moment. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you watch the Office, No, I don't, but
Speaker 1: some of us are not millennials and it shows.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 2: So, but yeah, Hawaii for my birthday.
Speaker 3: And I just told myself every other month I'm gonna
Speaker 3: because literally I have Fridays off, so I can leave
Speaker 3: Friday to Sunday, you know, bring a friend. I have
Speaker 3: so many points, so I just told myself I'm prioritizing
Speaker 3: the things that bring me joy, reading books. Y'all know,
Speaker 3: I take my daily walks. You know, I take my
Speaker 3: nap if I need it. You know, I was just
Speaker 3: talking to my puplicist Tracy. The Days shout out to you, Tracy,
Speaker 3: I should connect her with Your friend's name is Marisol Marisa.
Speaker 1: You know you have Mariice's resume and I already connected
Speaker 1: you to her, so all you gotta do.
Speaker 4: It's just.
Speaker 2: No, I should connect she just busy.
Speaker 4: Let her get her.
Speaker 2: No, I mean just to connect them to together, just
Speaker 2: to like, you know, just I think.
Speaker 1: It's just they would get on great. Yeah, Tracy is
Speaker 1: at her own little pr empire two yes.
Speaker 3: And so I no, I just think that, Like so
Speaker 3: she was saying today, She's like, you know, you don't
Speaker 3: have You're not doing that much press anymore. And I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: you know, because I've I've drawn a boundary of like
Speaker 3: it's not that serious unless I'm really like rolling out
Speaker 3: a big project. So to me that you have to
Speaker 3: do what's right for you for me social media, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, and you know, I don't see
Speaker 3: myself coming back where I was before, you know, creating
Speaker 3: things ahead of time, giving it to the team. I
Speaker 3: come on to do like my fun lives when I
Speaker 3: want to, and then I jump off and I'm happier.
Speaker 3: I'm light, you know, I feel like I have way
Speaker 3: more space. I'm reading literally at least a book a week,
Speaker 3: if not too and like I'm just I'm just in
Speaker 3: a much better place in space. So ta Mika, Marie,
Speaker 3: I loved you, Gurubadu saying it. And you know, if
Speaker 3: you are feeling like you know, maybe you're not as motivated,
Speaker 3: you know, ask yourself, what are the underlying factors that
Speaker 3: might be preventing you from moving forward in the way
Speaker 3: that you feel as capitalism, you know.
Speaker 1: Capitalism, they create this. I mean, I think, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just want to stay on this topic for a
Speaker 1: little bit because I we're kind of segueing into what
Speaker 1: it means to be even just a business owner or
Speaker 1: to go out on your own. And I think like
Speaker 1: you've always been really good about realistic entrepreneur stories and
Speaker 1: about the struggle and about the grind. But I also
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of people out there who
Speaker 1: have launched businesses and they think that or you have
Speaker 1: this idea that if I'm not working twenty four to seven,
Speaker 1: then I'm not doing enough, or I should be working
Speaker 1: on the weekends. And I feel like it's the I've
Speaker 1: had the benefit of watching people like you build your
Speaker 1: business and also having my financial planner, Helen has an
Speaker 1: even broader service where she actually coaches and helps people
Speaker 1: become CEOs. And what I love is that I have
Speaker 1: when I've approached my business is I've taken I've decided
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sacrifice my mental health. I want
Speaker 1: a better way of working. You know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to work when I don't need to. I want to
Speaker 1: be able to choose how I spend my time and
Speaker 1: to and like you said, like it's okay to take
Speaker 1: care of yourself and you can still be a badass
Speaker 1: business person like a business woman business person when you
Speaker 1: take naps, when you take a walk, you know, when
Speaker 1: you draw those lines. And we need more examples like that.
Speaker 1: So I'm so glad that you're open about it. I
Speaker 1: am a four. I quit at four o'clock, and.
Speaker 2: I love it so much. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was already kind of doing it before, but now
Speaker 1: I don't have to fee guilty about it.
Speaker 3: Because you're the boss, you know, And to see my
Speaker 3: boss say, oh, that's why it's me.
Speaker 1: Yes, just that now, and yes, and I flexible working
Speaker 1: arrangements now that you can work remote, I think it
Speaker 1: is wonderful. And hopefully yes, and take those naps during
Speaker 1: the day. And I would literally, even when I was
Speaker 1: nine to five, like schedule an hour and you know,
Speaker 1: I have my nap, my moon pod down, my little
Speaker 1: nap zone. I would take a nap unapologetically around three
Speaker 1: o'clock because it's like, what am I going to do?
Speaker 1: Drug myself with caffeine? There's not the people we've just
Speaker 1: normalized drugging ourselves to get through the day when what
Speaker 1: our bodies need is some rest, you know.
Speaker 3: Because what you learn is this is that if you
Speaker 3: maximize the time that you are working, you actually don't
Speaker 3: have to work as much. So I've learned that, like,
Speaker 3: for example, if I was if I was writing, like
Speaker 3: when I was writing getg Go with Money, right, there
Speaker 3: were times when I was like, oh, Tiffany, I got
Speaker 3: to push through, and I'd be like, well, what does
Speaker 3: it do? Because I promise you, whatever this tired work
Speaker 3: thing is, you're gonna have to rewrite this section because
Speaker 3: it's not gonna be good work. So I've learned to
Speaker 3: lean in when I'm feeling energized. Like so if I
Speaker 3: know I'm feeling energized and normally I maybe only blocked
Speaker 3: out an hour, I'm like, let's do three, Tiffany, because
Speaker 3: you got the juice right now, because tomorrow, when you
Speaker 3: don't feel like doing anything, I don't do anything, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's what I've really learned.
Speaker 3: It's almost like my own circadian rhythm as it relates
Speaker 3: to work, not just not just sleep. Right, So I
Speaker 3: learned that when I'm on it, I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: juices are flowing. I might flow for three days straight,
Speaker 3: and so I'll really go hard because I know that, like,
Speaker 3: you know, Saturday, Sunday or Monday or sometimes I just
Speaker 3: like today, I'm not gonna lie. I wasn't really like
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, you know, but because last week
Speaker 3: I leaned in when I had the juice, it gives
Speaker 3: me space to relax when I don't, because what it
Speaker 3: is is that something internally is telling me pull back
Speaker 3: and relax, and it's okay to honor that now, to
Speaker 3: be honest, it's different. I always remind Tracy, my publicist,
Speaker 3: because she's just started in business, and so I remind
Speaker 3: her too that she has to create space. But that
Speaker 3: looks different because you like, in the beginning, the work
Speaker 3: is a little bit.
Speaker 2: A little bit more frantic.
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna lie, Like there's no way to
Speaker 3: get around that in the beginning because you don't even.
Speaker 2: Know what you're doing just yet.
Speaker 3: You know, you're still figuring it out, but still really
Speaker 3: trying to carve out space, you know, Whereas now I
Speaker 3: don't need to work frantically literally at all.
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, girl, what do I pay these people for?
Speaker 3: I pay I pay the people to for franticness you know,
Speaker 3: and I pay them well and so I it yo,
Speaker 3: cause Tracy will come over and like like work for
Speaker 3: my house and like literally it should be like you're
Speaker 3: just on the couch under a blanket. I'm like, girl,
Speaker 3: I'm listening to to my new business book. I'm reading
Speaker 3: this book now called Bill to Sell and it's so
Speaker 3: great and I'm like, I am working. I'm just working
Speaker 3: in my my favorite target night dress and my headphones.
Speaker 1: It's just like this what a self made CEO can
Speaker 1: look like.
Speaker 3: Girl, And honestarily, when I tell you what you do
Speaker 3: that I promise you the After my six weeks, the
Speaker 3: level of just like excitement and traces that you've been
Speaker 3: on one I have been. That break recharged me so fully.
Speaker 3: It took my idea from like this is eight figures
Speaker 3: to pitching it and people telling me like when it's ready,
Speaker 3: this is nine figures. You let me know, And I'm like, really,
Speaker 3: you know, like that taking time and giving yourself space
Speaker 3: truly is the best way to success. That overworking yourself
Speaker 3: just means whatever ideas and things you come up with
Speaker 3: are tired and semi broken, and so like you take
Speaker 3: a break before you break. You know, that's always my advice.
Speaker 1: We're so excited to have Michelle and Sean Clark from
Speaker 1: Double Dutch Aerobics from Atlanta in the house with us.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining Brown.
Speaker 3: And I remember what was the year that, What was
Speaker 3: the Girl Trek year?
Speaker 4: What year was?
Speaker 6: Because you know, because I was Yep, it was right Angel.
Speaker 3: So I met Seana Michelle in Colorado at the Girl
Speaker 3: Trek conference. Girl Trek is this awesome nonprofit that just
Speaker 3: it helps black women get moving.
Speaker 2: To say they have energy is to say water is wet.
Speaker 3: And I just remember being like, what they people that
Speaker 3: you never think would double do. I mean, they had
Speaker 3: people out there eighty black white age. Now I didn't
Speaker 3: grow I don't know how to double dutch. I felt
Speaker 3: that was like my shame. I moved away from my
Speaker 3: black neighborhood just just one year too late before they
Speaker 3: was teaching her, and so I was like, I can't
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: You're like you can. So yes, Mandy knows how to
Speaker 2: double Dutch. So I'm jealous of her.
Speaker 1: Okay, now that was twenty years ago. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: about y'all's business. I think Tiffany knew y'all first. I
Speaker 1: think I might have slid into y'all's DMS or likewise,
Speaker 1: but we were we were chatting on ig and y'all
Speaker 1: know I'm from Atlanta and double Dutch is just such
Speaker 1: a nostalgic activity for me, you know, when I was
Speaker 1: a little girl, that was just you know, we were
Speaker 1: latchkey kids in the neighborhood with our bikes and a
Speaker 1: couple pairs of jump ropes and you could not tell
Speaker 1: us nothing. We had the best time, you know, with
Speaker 1: like the littlest amount of equipment. And I just love
Speaker 1: the concept of this business. But as fun as it is,
Speaker 1: and how you know, all the energy and enthusiasm that
Speaker 1: y'all bring to you know, bringing fitness to the Atlanta area,
Speaker 1: it's also been a pandemonium. It's a pandemic the last year. Right,
Speaker 1: How have y'all been impacted as a business? You know,
Speaker 1: where was your business at when the panda hit kind
Speaker 1: of set the scene for us, Yeah, where were you
Speaker 1: at right before the pandemic hit? I mean this is
Speaker 1: a very much in person. You're sweating indoors, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, jumping and breathing your heart out, and that
Speaker 1: was all of a sudden not okay, yeah, it.
Speaker 4: Slapped us in the face.
Speaker 6: It's very scary for us.
Speaker 4: It was very scary. So it was February.
Speaker 6: It was February.
Speaker 7: Well, first, we've been in business for seven years, right,
Speaker 7: and it's funny because twenty twenty it was our best year.
Speaker 6: Like it was starting off amazing. Michelle and I we were.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, we finally were going to the top.
Speaker 6: We're going to the top.
Speaker 1: Yes, New Year's Resolution time.
Speaker 4: I mean that is super Bowl, right, it was becoming
Speaker 4: our biggest year sure, yes, as a business.
Speaker 7: So so in the beginning, you know, we were booking
Speaker 7: a lot of events for the summer. So we were
Speaker 7: booked for the summer because we also do so outside
Speaker 7: of teaching our normal classes, we do events like girl
Speaker 7: Track and essence fests and prisons. We teach at federal
Speaker 7: prisons across the country. We do tours, we do you know,
Speaker 7: we do a lot of things. And everything was but
Speaker 7: we had our certification weekend that was sold out.
Speaker 6: It sold out in like two weeks.
Speaker 4: So what certification weekend is where we certify instructors to
Speaker 4: teach our program in their city or their state. Right,
Speaker 4: so we were completely sold out and it sold out.
Speaker 4: What in like five days.
Speaker 6: It was super fast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And that was in February. We had completely
Speaker 4: sold out fast, and it was going to be in April. Yes,
Speaker 4: And we hadn't done one in a year because we
Speaker 4: had a little human and so we had took a
Speaker 4: year off. We took a year off from certification, not
Speaker 4: from work. So this was our year back into certification.
Speaker 4: And the fact that it sold out so fast, it's
Speaker 4: like we were finding our group.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were in a groove and.
Speaker 4: Then well, y'all, y'all here, and then the world said
Speaker 4: stop wait a minute. And at first we were like,
Speaker 4: you ain't. I don't care about no pandem, but you're
Speaker 4: not gonna stop us.
Speaker 6: We still doing it. We were still still going.
Speaker 7: You know, it's the New York, right, Let's just keep going,
Speaker 7: keep going until they stop us.
Speaker 4: Until like put us to like lock the doors, tell
Speaker 4: us that you cannot leave your house right until.
Speaker 1: Keisha lance Bottom shows up at the door to get
Speaker 1: till Keisha Land's Bottom shows up in person at the door.
Speaker 4: I was like what, I was devastated. I was devastated because.
Speaker 1: What did it mean for y'all financially? Like paint the picture?
Speaker 1: I mean, did y'all have reserves. We talk a lot
Speaker 1: about you know, personal financial rainy day funds, but for
Speaker 1: small business owners, I mean seven years in is still early.
Speaker 1: How were you guys financially?
Speaker 7: So we we had a we had a little we
Speaker 7: had a little little reserves, Smitch, but you know we
Speaker 7: had to eventually we had to get a loan.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: That got us through it. And then during the pandemic,
Speaker 7: I learned the stock market. So it was actually a
Speaker 7: blessing because you know, everything was shut down. I had
Speaker 7: nothing else to do, and at the time during the pandemic,
Speaker 7: it was actually the best time to invest, yep. So
Speaker 7: that actually helped us out a lot, you know, investing
Speaker 7: in the stock market. I would literally like study every day. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I'd study every day. And so we we we we
Speaker 7: did okay with that. That that got us through.
Speaker 4: That was helping us.
Speaker 7: And then out here in Atlanta, they opened that kind
Speaker 7: of early. So like when did they shut us down
Speaker 7: in March and the beginning of March, so by like
Speaker 7: the middle of May, we start.
Speaker 6: We started. We started class.
Speaker 4: Again outside outside because the studios that we were renting
Speaker 4: were completely closed and the schools where we were working,
Speaker 4: everything was completely closed, as you know. So we started
Speaker 4: classes every Saturday nine am, and God was on our side.
Speaker 4: It didn't rain one Saturday that entire the highest summer
Speaker 4: from May till September. It didn't rain one time at
Speaker 4: our time Monday and every Saturday. So we were pushing it.
Speaker 4: So we had classes outside that helped us out. I
Speaker 4: also started to dive more into I suffered from fibruarys
Speaker 4: before having children, and I healed myself naturally, and I
Speaker 4: was helping women a little bit, but I started to
Speaker 4: dive into that even more. So I was doing lives
Speaker 4: once a week, and so I started to coach women
Speaker 4: for money. And then I was also selling my ebook.
Speaker 4: So we just started to like we've just.
Speaker 2: I know, I bought one.
Speaker 3: I said, you know, I suffered from from I suffered
Speaker 3: from five.
Speaker 4: So we started to dive into that more. And that's
Speaker 4: also another passion of mine, so that, you know, you
Speaker 4: just start to to push. I also started to in
Speaker 4: terms of mentality, Sean's a little better than me.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, this is it, this
Speaker 4: is it. Life is over, you know, like it's over.
Speaker 4: And so I had to get out of that because
Speaker 4: I was Sean someone we know passed away. It started
Speaker 4: to get more real, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: And I think I think that was the biggest part
Speaker 7: for me. So, you know, we you know, we lost
Speaker 7: a lot of money. We weren't making money obviously because
Speaker 7: we're in the fitness business. We were selling more ropes.
Speaker 7: And then okay, so I'm all over there.
Speaker 6: Let me go back.
Speaker 7: First of all, I gotta I gotta shout out our
Speaker 7: double Dutch community. So like we have so during for
Speaker 7: we have memberships, so we have lifetime members, we have
Speaker 7: yearly memberships, we have monthly membership. Our lifetime members stuck
Speaker 7: it out. They came to class every week. They were
Speaker 7: supporting us, they were bringing people to class. So they
Speaker 7: were really really helping us. So I just want to
Speaker 7: I just want to. I want to say that, yes,
Speaker 7: I want I want to thank them for that, because
Speaker 7: our community is growing and it's super supportive because Michelle
Speaker 7: and I we give one hundred percent of us right
Speaker 7: to this business, to this brand, and they feel it
Speaker 7: and they know it, you know.
Speaker 6: So it's all love, you know, because.
Speaker 4: Our classes did very well outside during the pandemic, which
Speaker 4: was like oh okay.
Speaker 1: It was probably it sounds like the It sounds like dang.
Speaker 1: I wish I had been in Atlanta to weather that's
Speaker 1: out because what I mean, it probably just helps you
Speaker 1: meet the endorphins alone, but also just is there anything
Speaker 1: more joyful right than double Dutch to be doing outdoors
Speaker 1: during a pandemic.
Speaker 4: It's like, for that moment, everything was okay and that
Speaker 4: time being, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: And then second to that, I think most importantly like, oh,
Speaker 7: like I was saying before, so we were losing a lot,
Speaker 7: but what was really important to be, like I said before, was.
Speaker 6: Our health right.
Speaker 7: So you know, I'm worried about my mother in New York,
Speaker 7: my sister, like my brother, all of them have pre
Speaker 7: existing ILK condition. And so I started a Zoom Fitness
Speaker 7: class online and it was really just family and friends
Speaker 7: because in my mind, I'm getting emotional hold let me,
Speaker 7: let me calm down. In my mind, I had to
Speaker 7: make sure everyone was okay. So for me, I was like,
Speaker 7: all right, every day, we're gonna work out, we're gonna
Speaker 7: eat right, we're gonna juice, we're gonna you know, we're
Speaker 7: gonna do whatever we have to do to get through
Speaker 7: this pandemic, you know.
Speaker 4: So and then Sean and I will work it out
Speaker 4: like crazy. Because at first you're like, oh, first, sure, upset,
Speaker 4: it's so many emotions happened. So first upset that everything
Speaker 4: is shut down. Then you're like, okay, well I have
Speaker 4: to be home. Let me take advantage of being home, right,
Speaker 4: And so I was doing what to a day workout? Yes,
Speaker 4: we were having the kids when it was my turn
Speaker 4: to workout, you know, thank god for YouTube. Put the
Speaker 4: kids on YouTube to work out downstairs. Then we will
Speaker 4: work out outside. I was getting a little fit, and
Speaker 4: then I mean more fit. Then it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: we really tried. Wait are we really tripped? Wait this
Speaker 4: is not going to end like in a month? Wait
Speaker 4: two months.
Speaker 2: So now I don't want to work.
Speaker 4: Out no more. Now I'm suppressed. Now I'm eating like
Speaker 4: a crazy person. I don't know. The motivation went away.
Speaker 4: And then we started to hear about people dying and
Speaker 4: it's like, my mom, I just I just felt down.
Speaker 6: It was just one after the other.
Speaker 4: It was just one after the other. It was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, this is is this the end of
Speaker 4: the world? Wait a minute, is this how happened?
Speaker 3: Like you know, like like you know, how your grandma said,
Speaker 3: it's the last lace.
Speaker 2: It's always it's.
Speaker 3: Always the last days. When they get old, You're like, well,
Speaker 3: why why I couldn't do the last days when you
Speaker 3: were five?
Speaker 2: You're talking about the last days now.
Speaker 3: But like, if we if we dial back a little
Speaker 3: bit came I mean, for those who are not familiar
Speaker 3: with double double dutch aerobics, like what how?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 2: What made you say this is what I want to do?
Speaker 3: Like, because it's such a unique business, I would love
Speaker 3: to know some of the origin story.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I went to acting school. I did musical theater,
Speaker 4: so I you know, nine of music theater people we
Speaker 4: do waitressing and bartending, and we teach. I was a
Speaker 4: spin teacher, so I was teaching everything in the world.
Speaker 4: I told everything you could imagine. I can't even swim,
Speaker 4: but I was teaching water robins. So during that time,
Speaker 4: Sean was my boyfriend at the time, and I've been
Speaker 4: jumping double since I was four, so I always told
Speaker 4: him I was good, but everybody from New York says
Speaker 4: they're good, so he thought I was good, like regular good,
Speaker 4: you know. And so I also was a world champion,
Speaker 4: so I did street style jumping and competitor style jumping.
Speaker 4: So we were at an event for the YMCA where
Speaker 4: I was teaching spin class. So I was teaching five
Speaker 4: thirty am spin class. Sean only came to one of
Speaker 4: my class, but that's a different story anyway, So we
Speaker 4: so you hear numbers. He saw me teaching and jumping,
Speaker 4: and he was like, oh, I knew you were good,
Speaker 4: but I didn't know you were like that good. And
Speaker 4: so when I told him this idea, he was like, oh,
Speaker 4: you have to start next week, like you have to start,
Speaker 4: and so I said okay, and then I started the
Speaker 4: next week.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we literally started the next week.
Speaker 1: And what were you doing at the time, oh, Sean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was Sean doing while he was telling you to
Speaker 1: start a business?
Speaker 7: Well, I owned a film company, so I was a
Speaker 7: videographer and editor. So my best friend and I we
Speaker 7: started making movies when we were like eighteen and nineteen.
Speaker 7: We would do like like one hour shorts and you know,
Speaker 7: we you.
Speaker 6: Know, we just for years we were doing it.
Speaker 7: And so I went from filming movies into like film
Speaker 7: doing like corporate events and weddings.
Speaker 6: And things of that nature.
Speaker 7: And then I moved from that and I started a
Speaker 7: teleprompter company. So I was prompting. I was doing like
Speaker 7: television shows, and I worked with like Obama, Beyonce likes
Speaker 7: let me tell you, let me tell you now, So
Speaker 7: I mean I did it.
Speaker 6: I did it for ten years.
Speaker 7: So I worked with literally anybody you can think of,
Speaker 7: I probably worked with them.
Speaker 6: And so I was doing that for a while. And then,
Speaker 6: like you know, I've always been like.
Speaker 7: An entrepreneur that was young, you know, my my family
Speaker 7: and now we opened a record store when I was
Speaker 7: twenty years old. You know, we had a record label.
Speaker 7: It was the nineties, you know, we had a record label.
Speaker 7: We managed groups. I started promoting parties when I was eighteen.
Speaker 4: And actually how I met Sean was he was I
Speaker 4: was bartending and he made a movie called this Thing
Speaker 4: called Love and I was like, oh, they made a
Speaker 4: movie by themselves.
Speaker 6: That's dope.
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to get me to buy it. But
Speaker 4: I don't buy stuff at work because I'm kind of productive.
Speaker 1: You came in with like the box of DVDs to
Speaker 1: sell your room.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 7: So my best friend at the time, I worked for
Speaker 7: the Border Bed briefly, and my best friend, my best
Speaker 7: friend and I we literally quit our jobs. We made
Speaker 7: this movie, put the did the DVDs, we went out,
Speaker 7: we went out in the streets and we were selling them.
Speaker 7: And we did very well out in the streets, out
Speaker 7: in those streets. And so my friend invited me to
Speaker 7: this event she was having. She was like, you know, Sean,
Speaker 7: come on out, you know you can promote your movie.
Speaker 7: And I was like, back, I'm coming. So when I
Speaker 7: got there, my best friend and I we both had
Speaker 7: on the same shirts.
Speaker 4: And I saw grown people with the same shirt, Like,
Speaker 4: what's in the same shirt for I was like, it
Speaker 4: looks a little crazy, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 4: I wanted to read his shirt, so I asked him
Speaker 4: to come over and read his shirt. He doesn't drink,
Speaker 4: so I wasn't selling him a drink, right, So he
Speaker 4: he said I could have the movie only if I
Speaker 4: promised to give my honest review. And so, being a
Speaker 4: theater major at the time and I was in circling
Speaker 4: the square, I thought I have to watch it, and
Speaker 4: I thought it was so good, and they made it
Speaker 4: with three hundred dollars, so I was thoroughly impressed. And
Speaker 4: then I called to tell him my review of the
Speaker 4: movie and then.
Speaker 7: Every day literally been talking every single day.
Speaker 2: So how long how many years ago is that?
Speaker 6: That was twelve years ago?
Speaker 2: Wow, look at him and completely tall.
Speaker 4: The Saints, but getting back in the bay. So he
Speaker 4: was my boyfriend. He was still doing. He was doing.
Speaker 4: He was an entrepreneur at the time I was teaching spend.
Speaker 4: I was bought. I was doing everything that theater people
Speaker 4: do right, and so he saw that I was good.
Speaker 4: He told me to start the class. I started the
Speaker 4: class that next week and the person who I was
Speaker 4: teaching I was teaching with different teammates off and on,
Speaker 4: but they couldn't stay consistent, which was understandable because this
Speaker 4: was my you know what I mean, this was my passion.
Speaker 4: So Sean was like, well, man, sure you have continue
Speaker 4: teach me everything. And I was like, okay, Now, Sean's
Speaker 4: one of those people like we have the studio. Now,
Speaker 4: guys who put in the lights? He done, did the
Speaker 4: what do you call those things? He put up the
Speaker 4: designs in here. He's a YouTube learner, right, so he
Speaker 4: learns things really fast. So I was able to teach
Speaker 4: him everything and then he enjoyed, Well, you can say
Speaker 4: what you enjoyed. He actually began to enjoy.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So, so the idea was to get the business off
Speaker 7: the ground, get it rolling, and then I would jump
Speaker 7: out like no pun intended.
Speaker 6: But what happened.
Speaker 7: What happened was I started enjoying it because it's like, so,
Speaker 7: if you ever took one of our classes, it's bigger
Speaker 7: than Double Dutch. So it's like, like I said, we
Speaker 7: build communities in here. It's like we're trying to build
Speaker 7: like little love pockets around the world. Like when you
Speaker 7: come to our class, there's no judgment, you know, it's
Speaker 7: it's high energy, it's all of and that's what people get,
Speaker 7: you know. So I started enjoying that because that's like,
Speaker 7: that's my ultimate goal in life, you know, Like I
Speaker 7: know it sounds corny, but to change the world through love,
Speaker 7: I know it's corny.
Speaker 6: But I get a chance to do that here.
Speaker 7: And then couple with the fact that I get to
Speaker 7: be with my wife twenty four hours a day he
Speaker 7: likes me, which is done Like that doesn't work for
Speaker 7: a lot of people, I guess, but that's that's really
Speaker 7: the biggest thing Michelle and I have in common is
Speaker 7: that we like to be around each other all the time,
Speaker 7: like we like to be around each other all the time,
Speaker 7: and this gives us the opportunity to do that. Because
Speaker 7: when I was younger, you know, I always knew I
Speaker 7: wanted to be an entrepreneur, but I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 7: want to work hard enough to where I didn't have
Speaker 7: enough time for my family, because it's for me, it's
Speaker 7: family first always, because that's what makes me the most happiest.
Speaker 6: So this this gave but this gave me the opportunity.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh wow, we could like be together
Speaker 7: and build and rock out and you know, like show
Speaker 7: the world with love is like and you know, like
Speaker 7: this is this is And then.
Speaker 4: The classes, the classes were going really well. And then
Speaker 4: after we got married in twenty thirteen, we both we
Speaker 4: didn't really have a conversation, but we both were like, Okay,
Speaker 4: well we'll be gone because we're not staying here exactly.
Speaker 4: We knew we didn't want to be in New York anymore.
Speaker 4: So our members when we decided to move, first it
Speaker 4: was La Then we decided to move to Atlanta, and
Speaker 4: so our members were like, well where are you going,
Speaker 4: and so like what are we going to do? And
Speaker 4: so that's when we created Certification and part of the
Speaker 4: reasons in certification is so successful is because Sean and
Speaker 4: I coming from different different perspectives during certification, I've been
Speaker 4: jumping my whole life, so I don't really remember what
Speaker 4: it's like not to know how to jump. And I
Speaker 4: also know how to transfer street jumpers into to teach
Speaker 4: them double dutch aerobic style double dutch, because I know
Speaker 4: where they're coming from. Seawan is coming from not learning
Speaker 4: since he was a kid, so his perspective is different
Speaker 4: in terms of how we teach those people. So combined,
Speaker 4: we're really able to relate to anybody that comes into
Speaker 4: our classroom or into certification weekend. Now, to get back
Speaker 4: to the whole pandemic, so I'm sorry we'd be gone
Speaker 4: to a million tendents, but to get back to the
Speaker 4: whole pandemic life after, yeah, I was getting I was
Speaker 4: getting a little depressed after you know the excitement of Okay,
Speaker 4: we're home, let's take advantage of that. I was getting
Speaker 4: kind of like I don't know when this is really
Speaker 4: going to be over, Like I couldn't see the ending,
Speaker 4: and so that put me in a sad place, and
Speaker 4: being Sean's wife, I hate being that, like downer because
Speaker 4: he's mister Happy, so it feels like, oh, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: being too sad for him, and he actually lost someone
Speaker 4: really close to him. So then I had guilt about
Speaker 4: being so down because he's the one that lost someone
Speaker 4: really close to him, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 4: it was like, Michelle, you got to pick yourself up
Speaker 4: to be there for yourself and for your kids and
Speaker 4: for your partner. So then I started to meditate. I
Speaker 4: did the Abundance meditation. I started to journal more. I
Speaker 4: had to like look outside of myself to get some
Speaker 4: kind of you know what I mean, some kind of
Speaker 4: hope or just out of the slump. And so what
Speaker 4: happened after the minus meditation I like to relate to
Speaker 4: minds meditation. We got we got the thing from Bill Gates.
Speaker 6: We got to do well before that. So so that
Speaker 6: was October.
Speaker 7: So before that, the summer was ending, and I was like,
Speaker 7: you know, Michelle, obviously it's you know, it's gonna get cold.
Speaker 7: We can't continue to have classes. We need a studio.
Speaker 7: The thing was, how do we get a.
Speaker 4: Studio and how does the bank account because.
Speaker 7: The way our bank account is, I don't know, I
Speaker 7: don't know if that's gonna work.
Speaker 6: But you don't, you know.
Speaker 7: It's like we always say, you don't have to know
Speaker 7: the how, you just got to know what you want.
Speaker 7: And so I went online every single day. I was
Speaker 7: online for hours, right hours, looking at places. I was like, okay, this,
Speaker 7: you know, because for us, a studio is very specific.
Speaker 7: You know, we need we need a lot, we need
Speaker 7: super high ceilings, we need, you know, the space to
Speaker 7: be a certain side. It's like it's just a whole
Speaker 7: lot because and then the floors, we can't turn on
Speaker 7: any floor, so it's just it's a whole lot.
Speaker 4: And while he's looking for the studio, mind you, this
Speaker 4: is what I learned after being with him for twelve years.
Speaker 4: We call Sean the visionary. Sometimes he sees things and
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the mother, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: How are we gonna get a studio? What are you
Speaker 4: talking about? But I learned, being his partner, not to
Speaker 4: do that anymore because some of the things he sees
Speaker 4: has come into fruition. Even when I didn't believe.
Speaker 6: Right, just let me go, let me go. Put me in.
Speaker 4: Coach's writing in my diary like my husband is crazy,
Speaker 4: But bab I got you back like the Jackie looking
Speaker 4: at a studio. Okay, we're gonna get it. So we're
Speaker 4: gonna get it.
Speaker 7: So we actually looked at maybe two other studios before
Speaker 7: this one actually went around the corner from where we
Speaker 7: are now, and then I came to this studio that
Speaker 7: we're at now by myself. The minute I walked in,
Speaker 7: I said, Oh, this is it, and Michelle is gonna
Speaker 7: like it. Now that's very important because Michelle and I
Speaker 7: we don't agree on a lot of things.
Speaker 4: No we don't.
Speaker 6: I mean we we agree on a lot. We agree
Speaker 6: on most things, but there are there are things like
Speaker 6: a studio.
Speaker 4: And he's still a Leo, so he's stubborn.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but we're both Leo's so I.
Speaker 2: Know she didn't know, he said, tried it because we're
Speaker 2: both the same, right.
Speaker 7: So I walked into the studio. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 7: Michelle is gonna love it. I literally I drove home,
Speaker 7: picked up I called that s Michelle. I found a studio.
Speaker 7: I know you're gonna like it. Here's the price, this
Speaker 7: is what it is. I'm coming to get you. I
Speaker 7: got Michelle. She walked into the studio. She was like,
Speaker 7: that's it.
Speaker 6: We're both like immediately.
Speaker 4: And here's here's where faith comes in, because after doing
Speaker 4: the medicale sometimes meditations and journalis helps you see the
Speaker 4: clear picture. Like if you're still living, there's always hoping,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And sometime if you let
Speaker 4: things get you down, you'll start to lose that perspective.
Speaker 4: So you got to straighten yourself out. So I was
Speaker 4: starting to have faith again, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And so we looked at the studio. We met the
Speaker 4: landlord and this is crazy stuff. We had looked at
Speaker 4: some hood spots, you know what I'm saying, because we
Speaker 4: were just looking and they was asking for every bit
Speaker 4: of paperwork. I'm talking about what I did when I
Speaker 4: was two, you know, like just paper, paper, paper, paper, right,
Speaker 4: So we made this amazing landlord and he was like,
Speaker 4: what's your name? Did he ask for? I don't even know?
Speaker 4: Like you guys, It's like, okay, well we like you,
Speaker 4: all right, let's sign the papers.
Speaker 7: He didn't look at any financial no, no financials.
Speaker 3: Is this when you guys did that? I know you
Speaker 3: did a kickstart because I canute.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we're gonna oh, we're about to mention that.
Speaker 6: Wait a minute, old, look we.
Speaker 4: Inspire by Molly Moore, because I was like, listen a
Speaker 4: bunch of mesdag And I even asked you I had
Speaker 4: d m D and asked you were like, because I
Speaker 4: knew you stuck. You don't do nothing by the fly,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I had study for like three months before.
Speaker 4: When you said that, I was like, Sean, we have
Speaker 4: to like, well, because Sean didn't want to do a
Speaker 4: kickstock Well.
Speaker 7: The thing was so my cousin he's a filmmaker and
Speaker 7: he does like go fund me all the time.
Speaker 6: And I thought about it, but I was like, nah,
Speaker 6: I can't do it. I don't. I don't have it
Speaker 6: in me to ask people. I can't. I can't. I
Speaker 6: can't do it.
Speaker 7: And it's stuff talking about it. There's nothing wrong with me,
Speaker 7: but it's it's nothing. I'm sorry, it's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 7: It's just that with anything in life. I always try
Speaker 7: to find a way to figure it out. Like I'm like,
Speaker 7: all right, if we don't have it, let me out
Speaker 7: a way to do it.
Speaker 6: But that was the way to do it.
Speaker 4: And this is where his wife comes in. His wife
Speaker 4: said all right, babe, okay, you got to you got
Speaker 4: to be a little more realistic, less ask our community.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? A pandemic happened. It's not
Speaker 4: like we were irresponsible, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 4: it's it's different just to just.
Speaker 1: To jump in really quick. It's hurt y'all. Y'all are
Speaker 1: like a conversational double dutch. And I was just like
Speaker 1: when when am I supposed to anyway?
Speaker 4: But y'all mention change?
Speaker 1: So the kickstarter, y'all did this to raise money for
Speaker 1: the business.
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: So ready question I have I so I want to
Speaker 1: know about the kickstarter, but I also want to know
Speaker 1: we're y'all able to get any of the government fundings.
Speaker 1: I know there was so much drama and confusion for
Speaker 1: small business owners around the paycheck Protection Program and the
Speaker 1: Economic Disaster Relief program. Did any of that come in
Speaker 1: handy for y'all? Or was it immediately that y'all knew
Speaker 1: you had to, you know, do a kickstarter to get
Speaker 1: money your own.
Speaker 4: We filled out every of those yo, Michelle, check this out?
Speaker 4: Oh check this out? Yo? No no, no, no, not
Speaker 4: you guys, No, no, no, really, any of them and
Speaker 4: we filled out how many you? Oh my god, we
Speaker 4: didn't get none of them. So we had gotten the
Speaker 4: space and he everything worked out, the paperwork, everything was perfect,
Speaker 4: but mind you, it was just a space. So we
Speaker 4: needed we needed more to make the space double Dutch aerobics,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And so that's when at
Speaker 4: first Sean was saying no, and I was like, let's
Speaker 4: let's do this, and finally he said yes. And then
Speaker 4: to me he put together the best video. I thought
Speaker 4: it was fabulous, so no, it was good. So he
Speaker 4: put together a video and it made us very emotional
Speaker 4: because watching people support us when we know that everyone
Speaker 4: was having a hard time. Goodness, am I just like
Speaker 4: the but needs to said Tiffany, you Tiffany right? We right,
Speaker 4: We studied, so showing us up, we started to watch
Speaker 4: all the videos.
Speaker 6: I watched a thousand videos.
Speaker 4: How long should it be? How much you asked for?
Speaker 4: We looked at zillions of zillions of Kickstarter campaigns.
Speaker 6: Like one, what should what shouldn't be in it? You
Speaker 6: know what you.
Speaker 4: Should put in your bio? It took us. We pulled
Speaker 4: all nighters. We pulled all nighters doing it, and then
Speaker 4: we put it up and we prayed and we send
Speaker 4: it out to our We send it out to people,
Speaker 4: and it was very emotional because he didn't expect as
Speaker 4: much love as we got, and it was like, oh,
Speaker 4: people really care about us.
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, like, oh my god, I mean
Speaker 7: even the people who never met us before ever in
Speaker 7: light right, they were donating to our kickstarter and I
Speaker 7: was just it really was emotional.
Speaker 4: It really was emotional at that moment.
Speaker 1: Especially it sounds like Sean, you had a little bit
Speaker 1: of trouble getting over having to ask for help in
Speaker 1: the first place.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just I relate to that in a big way. And
Speaker 1: I think it's that moment when you you're you're just afraid
Speaker 1: that it might it might not happen, and it's it's
Speaker 1: it must be humbling when you finally get that, when
Speaker 1: you see that you will get it in return, you
Speaker 1: know what you've been giving for so long.
Speaker 2: So what was it?
Speaker 3: What was the outcome did you guys make I mean,
Speaker 3: I know you made it, but like much more than
Speaker 3: you asked for?
Speaker 4: What was we doubles?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so you initially we asked for ten and then
Speaker 7: what happened twenty? Yeah, we got twenty I think it
Speaker 7: was twenty one thousand over twenty one twenty one.
Speaker 1: Four hundred dollars. I'm on the page right now.
Speaker 4: From two hundred and eighty five.
Speaker 1: If two and eighty five beckers. That's awesome.
Speaker 4: That was so much.
Speaker 1: So that gave you the money that you needed to
Speaker 1: put up the big mirror, get the ropes like all
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, and.
Speaker 1: The mirrors are not those mirrors are not cheap.
Speaker 4: I was looking for one.
Speaker 1: I was looking just for like a tiny one for
Speaker 1: my little peloton, you know, nook, and uh yeah, it
Speaker 1: was thousands of dollars.
Speaker 4: And yes, And what's so fun is so we opened
Speaker 4: in September and we weren't gonna wait, so we did
Speaker 4: the studio because hello, the pandemic still knocked us out right,
Speaker 4: So we started with the studio white, and we used
Speaker 4: to say, so this is where the mirror is gonna be.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we would tell we would tell us face the
Speaker 7: imaginary mirror.
Speaker 4: And so what's so fun is that they got to
Speaker 4: watch us grow from like a white studio to what
Speaker 4: the studio is now. And it's still and it's still growing,
Speaker 4: like we just got our nice little bitch. So it's
Speaker 4: so cute, y'all. You know, the studio was painting. Now
Speaker 4: we got the words up, we got signs, we got
Speaker 4: our desks, you know what I mean. So it's fun
Speaker 4: because when they come and they're like, oh, yes, oh
Speaker 4: you got that. So they get to actually watch us
Speaker 4: and just the process.
Speaker 7: Just to watch, like you know, new people come in
Speaker 7: and they're blown away by the studio. They really love
Speaker 7: the studio because outside of teaching our classes, we rent
Speaker 7: out our studio.
Speaker 6: That's smart to other people. They love this studio.
Speaker 7: They love it and so and that and that, and
Speaker 7: that's important to us because I felt like we had
Speaker 7: a responsibility. You know, you guys gave us twenty one
Speaker 7: thousand dollars. No, this is going to be the best
Speaker 7: studio in Atlanta.
Speaker 6: Yes, you know, because.
Speaker 4: People trusted you.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, let me ask this, what is the
Speaker 3: what is your like ten twenty year plan, like what
Speaker 3: you know, what's your big bull dream for Double Dutcho.
Speaker 2: But what can you see it becoming?
Speaker 7: Well, so there are a couple of things, right, we
Speaker 7: definitely want other studios in other cities. So we already
Speaker 7: have the cities in mind that we that we want,
Speaker 7: you know, Double Cherobics, like you know, Chicago and DC.
Speaker 7: And then also to to grow out, like to to
Speaker 7: certify more people across the country.
Speaker 4: So that Double Dutch robis is accessible in every state.
Speaker 4: So it's not just you don't have to travel to
Speaker 4: get to us, right or to get to a Double
Speaker 4: Dutch arobics class. It's like as available as spin classes
Speaker 4: or you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so just really create like as far as
Speaker 7: like certification too. I just wanted to add that Double
Speaker 7: Dutch aerobics is a formatic class, right, so it's kind
Speaker 7: of like uh billgrim yoga with the twenty six twenty
Speaker 7: six postures.
Speaker 6: So there's like eleven steps to our program.
Speaker 7: Yes, that we do every single day, every single class,
Speaker 7: and so that's what we teach in our certification. And
Speaker 7: so basically, like Michelle said, if you're in DC, the
Speaker 7: class is going to be exactly like the class in
Speaker 7: New York or Atlanta or Detroit, you know some of
Speaker 7: the places where we want Double 't Aerobics to be.
Speaker 7: And so that's the goal to to certify more people.
Speaker 4: And it's funny, you know, this whole subject was like
Speaker 4: how did we survivedurund our pandemic and we're still recovering
Speaker 4: from the pandemic. Right, so where, But it feels like
Speaker 4: the other side is is we're on the you know,
Speaker 4: we're getting over the hump, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And now it's like when I think about when I
Speaker 4: was thinking, oh my god, this is over, I think
Speaker 4: the thing that got us through is that we kept
Speaker 4: hope and that we kept moving. So now on the
Speaker 4: other side, I feel like we're going to be even
Speaker 4: bigger than we were because we have a space now
Speaker 4: that gives us access to do more than we were
Speaker 4: doing in the beginning of twenty twenty. And it's like
Speaker 4: that was our biggest year, but now through the sadness
Speaker 4: and through all the you know, the knockout that happened,
Speaker 4: we're gonna be bigger. On the other side of it
Speaker 4: was we kept pushing through.
Speaker 7: And then also just simply getting through a pandemic being
Speaker 7: a fitness brand makes you a whole lot stronger, right,
Speaker 7: so everything else seems like a breeze.
Speaker 6: I mean, you got through a pandemic.
Speaker 7: And then you know, at the top of the year,
Speaker 7: Michelle gets a commercial, right, oh I did.
Speaker 4: Then this meditation again, so he gets matter because I'd
Speaker 4: be like I told you to bringing magic right.
Speaker 3: Where where can we find this meditation, It's like they
Speaker 3: know what's the cra prayer to get you a run?
Speaker 4: So zpop Chopra's abundance meditation comes at you sow. The
Speaker 4: first time we did it, we got a random call. First,
Speaker 4: Seawan said, no, we're supposed to a favor for We're
Speaker 4: supposed to a favor for somebody. He was like, mich,
Speaker 4: I don't know if we could film it yet. Right,
Speaker 4: we're supposed to film some audition video. We was like, okay,
Speaker 4: we'll film it. We filmed. We didn't know what it
Speaker 4: was for.
Speaker 6: We had no idea.
Speaker 4: What idea? Then they're like, you're chosen, wait, chosen for?
Speaker 4: What what do you mean what?
Speaker 6: They just like, we didn't, we didn't know what it
Speaker 6: was for.
Speaker 4: Then they were like, we gotta fly you to New York.
Speaker 4: I said'm not bringing these to here to New York.
Speaker 4: I'm tired. We're not going to So then they said, okay,
Speaker 4: well we'll come to you.
Speaker 1: Okay, what and you still don't know who's coming?
Speaker 4: And we still don't know.
Speaker 6: Is the question? Sorry?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, we didn't know who coming.
Speaker 3: So when you said we're not going to New York,
Speaker 3: they still didn't tell you who was coming.
Speaker 2: No, like what it was for.
Speaker 4: Okay, wow, because we had to we have we have
Speaker 4: a fort well he was three at the time for
Speaker 4: three year old and uh.
Speaker 7: You see like that were production if you if when
Speaker 7: you when you're auditioned it for like television shows and movies,
Speaker 7: you never really know like the real title of the
Speaker 7: movie because they probably don't even yet.
Speaker 6: But so yeah, that's that, that's what was happening.
Speaker 4: That's what was happen.
Speaker 6: You didn't know what we were auditioning.
Speaker 4: What we were auditioning for, and so they said, we'll
Speaker 4: come to you. So it was okay, well, we gotta deal.
Speaker 4: And then we didn't find out who it was a
Speaker 4: couple of days before the shoot. And so what happened
Speaker 4: was called it was called meal time conversations. Uh. Bill
Speaker 4: Gates was interviewing families to see how they were over
Speaker 4: meal time. So we ended up having a meal with
Speaker 4: my parents. They filmed it in their house and then
Speaker 4: they just told our story of the pandemic and they
Speaker 4: paid us, which helped, right, And it was so random.
Speaker 2: It was with you had like virtual dinner with Bill Gates.
Speaker 4: No, No, we filmed, they filmed and it was for
Speaker 4: their their foundation, like it was they did. It was
Speaker 4: really interesting the families around the world.
Speaker 7: So we represented the United States, we represented wow here
Speaker 7: uh huh. And so they had Yeah, they have people,
Speaker 7: you know, from families from other countries, and everybody told
Speaker 7: their story.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, from the pandemic, from the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Yes, is this y'all the Walker and Clark families.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, cute.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know I'm here on the Googles just in
Speaker 1: the background, getting on the links ready, Well, just to
Speaker 1: round out the conversation, I wanted to just from my
Speaker 1: you know, listening to y'all story, it's so inspirational and
Speaker 1: I think so universal. You know, not everybody owns a
Speaker 1: double Dutch studio. It sound like y'all are the only ones,
Speaker 1: but everybody, you know, if you're still standing today, you
Speaker 1: had to make it through the pandemic in some way
Speaker 1: or fashion. And the one thing that I've been like
Speaker 1: hearing in y'all story is how many different streams of
Speaker 1: income y'all have. Y'all have managed to squeeze out of
Speaker 1: this business, which I think is so smart and probably
Speaker 1: a huge reason why you've been able to survive. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm counting, like, I don't know how many, at least five.
Speaker 1: It seems like you got the ropes that you're selling
Speaker 1: the classes themselves, outdoor classes, teaching certifications. It sounds like
Speaker 1: you're still on your grind when it comes to the
Speaker 1: entertainment opportunities. That's I mean, can you talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: beyond that diversification, just you know what, what reflecting besides
Speaker 1: the abundance meditation on what made y'all such a resilient
Speaker 1: business in the face of such a huge challenge.
Speaker 6: Well, I think I think it was.
Speaker 7: It was even before the pandemic, we knew the potential
Speaker 7: of the business. I think that's what made us so
Speaker 7: excited in the beginning because we were like, oh, we
Speaker 7: could do this.
Speaker 6: We could Oh we.
Speaker 7: Could teach after school programs and you know, summer camps.
Speaker 7: Oh man, we could do team building events, we could
Speaker 7: do corporate events. Like we just kept going and going
Speaker 7: and there were so many possibilities. And then even during class,
Speaker 7: like after class, people will come to us with ideas, right,
Speaker 7: they're like, you know what, you guys should That happens
Speaker 7: all the time. And when you talk about like stream
Speaker 7: of revenue, right, it's like this. It's a good problem.
Speaker 7: But there's so many different avenues we can take with
Speaker 7: double Dutch aerobics.
Speaker 4: And we even started two things we also did this year.
Speaker 4: We got pregnant. I don't know how that happened, but
Speaker 4: we got pregnant maybe.
Speaker 1: Number three yeah, wow, oh my goodness, congratulations.
Speaker 4: Thank you. So we actually got uh commercial, the Apple commercial.
Speaker 4: That was another source. Now, something that we do too
Speaker 4: is so you ever see big long lines and people
Speaker 4: they're not doing anything, but it's just on their phones.
Speaker 4: So Slutty began was having a what was it. It
Speaker 4: wasn't a grand opening, it was an event. They were
Speaker 4: given out free yeah, someone sponsored her, and they were
Speaker 4: given out free burgers during the pandemic to everybody. So
Speaker 4: all you had to do was get online. The line
Speaker 4: was eight million years long, and so Sean was like,
Speaker 4: let's go and turn and so we end up turning
Speaker 4: there meeting everybody, and it's just like we realize how
Speaker 4: much joy even in just all those environments, how much
Speaker 4: joy because we can teach anyone in less than a minute,
Speaker 4: how much joy that brings everywhere. And what was cool
Speaker 4: about that is Pinky got to see us do that
Speaker 4: and then she recently referred us for the Shakeshack event
Speaker 4: and it was a success. They are meaning sometimes we
Speaker 4: see things like at grand openings that whatever people are
Speaker 4: just I guess standing just gathered is also good to
Speaker 4: have because it allows people to a communicate while they're standing.
Speaker 4: So people are they start talking, right, we start it's just.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so yeah, I mean and so yeah, just just
Speaker 7: going back to basically, we knew before the potential businessiness
Speaker 7: had yes, and so when it was time to activate it, right,
Speaker 7: you know, I eat the pandemic, we were like, all right,
Speaker 7: so now we could do this.
Speaker 6: Oh we can't we can't teach out.
Speaker 7: I mean, we can't teach at an event, but we
Speaker 7: could sell ropes because people at home, you know, we
Speaker 7: could sell I mean the ropes were flying off the shelf.
Speaker 6: Yes, you know. So it was like, all right, let
Speaker 6: me learn the stock market.
Speaker 7: Like we just we just I don't know, we just
Speaker 7: knew what we can do, and we just, like I said,
Speaker 7: we just activated it.
Speaker 6: That's you know, that's what we did.
Speaker 4: And then also something that Sean and I do, we're
Speaker 4: constantly looking for inspiration, Like even Tiffany, I always watch
Speaker 4: your lives and you're you're you're so inspirational or just
Speaker 4: how even like I was just telling my mother how
Speaker 4: you said you had to go back home and you
Speaker 4: were in your middle middle school room and you were like,
Speaker 4: this is not you know what I mean, I have
Speaker 4: more money when I was in middle school. Meaning even
Speaker 4: in a down time. It's just like what I realized
Speaker 4: with people who are successful is it's not the environment
Speaker 4: or it's not what happens to them, it's who they are.
Speaker 4: Right So even through going through that, you found your
Speaker 4: way out of it and to make success. And if
Speaker 4: you hear, we constantly watch people's success stories because the
Speaker 4: one thing that's always true is that they're successful. Right
Speaker 4: So they may have a time of being down, but
Speaker 4: it's like that can't define you. You have to still
Speaker 4: It's like a winner always wins.
Speaker 6: I do know you said it. So it's it's the person.
Speaker 7: It's like if you took all the Bill Gates money today,
Speaker 7: he would make a billion dollars again next month, yes,
Speaker 7: because he just he can do it. Same thing with TIV.
Speaker 7: You know, if if we if we took all your
Speaker 7: money today right right right now, don't make it.
Speaker 4: Don't make her.
Speaker 7: Today you you now have the tools to get it
Speaker 7: right back to you. It's yeah, Michelle and I we
Speaker 7: talk about that. We talk about this all the time. Actually,
Speaker 7: it's you, it's the person.
Speaker 4: And it's the mortality, right. So that's why I was biggest.
Speaker 4: My biggest thing is it's not only the meditation, but
Speaker 4: it's making sure that while bad things happen, I still
Speaker 4: have to be up, you know what I mean, because.
Speaker 7: You can't you can't control the events that happened in
Speaker 7: your life.
Speaker 4: You can and control the way you.
Speaker 6: Deal with it. And so that's that's the biggest part
Speaker 6: of it. That's that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4: It's being resourceful so that we can The reason why
Speaker 4: we can make double ut your role bits successful is
Speaker 4: because our goal is to become resourceful, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. The reason the reason you can make budgeting
Speaker 4: so you know what I mean, the budgetista, is because
Speaker 4: you are a resourceful person. And so once you are resourceful,
Speaker 4: you can turn almost anything you love into success. You understand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I always think that, Like, like the weekend
Speaker 3: before last night, told my sister come drive with me
Speaker 3: through some of these fancy neighborhoods where every house is
Speaker 3: a million dollars plus, I said, because within five years
Speaker 3: I'll be in one of these. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 3: I mean like I could be in one now, but
Speaker 3: I don't want a mortgage. I'm talking about in it
Speaker 3: like here's the money boom. It's nothing, you know. And
Speaker 3: so because one of the things I learned, and this
Speaker 3: is just for anyone listening, is that it's like it's
Speaker 3: this this thing that almost every like African parent tells
Speaker 3: their kid when you bring home a B and you
Speaker 3: tell them that somebody else in class got an A.
Speaker 2: He said, Ah, so does she have two heads?
Speaker 3: Meaning like, if a's were being given, why don't you
Speaker 3: have one? The only explanation that you could have for
Speaker 3: not getting an A when someone else is able to
Speaker 3: get a is that person must have two heads, therefore
Speaker 3: two brains.
Speaker 2: Therefore, okay, she got you on that.
Speaker 3: But so I drive, I drive through those neighborhoods because
Speaker 3: I am resetting my expectation of like, yo, there's not
Speaker 3: one house here, two house. There's like fifty houses in
Speaker 3: just this one neighborhood, and then another fifty another neighborhood another,
Speaker 3: meaning yo, there are people who make enough to make
Speaker 3: this life happen? What about you? What's so special about them?
Speaker 3: What is so special? And this is nothing exactly and
Speaker 3: it's not a little bit of people were talking about
Speaker 3: just this one neighborhood here, and then you go another
Speaker 3: town over, and then another town in another state and
Speaker 3: another There are so many people that are successful.
Speaker 2: Why not you do they have two heads? No? No,
Speaker 2: they figured it out. Now you got to do that
Speaker 2: to your children. They'd be like, Sean Junior is gonna
Speaker 2: be like, I gotta b a b.
Speaker 3: Would anybody get a do that have two head?
Speaker 6: For?
Speaker 3: It's a very African thing to say, But I say
Speaker 3: that to say that basically that you are human. Therefore
Speaker 3: what is accessible to one human is there is great
Speaker 3: potential for it to also be accessible to you. And
Speaker 3: we all understand that there are limitations and racism and
Speaker 3: and and sexism, and we know that, but you know,
Speaker 3: we also know that people find a way. And if
Speaker 3: one person has found a way, that is that is
Speaker 3: cause for for celebration because that means the way has
Speaker 3: been found.
Speaker 2: Ye you know you too can have access to that.
Speaker 3: So once you start to understand that, then there's nothing
Speaker 3: I mean, we're not talking about. You go into the
Speaker 3: moon for the first time. Those people have to figure
Speaker 3: it out from scratch. You know, we're not talking about
Speaker 3: that like when people say, oh, I don't know how
Speaker 3: to invest. I'm like, you know, people don't figured it
Speaker 3: out and wrote books and do YouTube videos about.
Speaker 4: It YouTube you know right now?
Speaker 2: Yes, like you know, you know, people have successful businesses.
Speaker 3: You know, people have podcasts at work and you know,
Speaker 3: so there are folks that have figured it out. And
Speaker 3: so I'm so glad that you came on today because
Speaker 3: it's I think it's important for our audience to hear
Speaker 3: that there are so many ways to express success in business.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure people thought a business based upon
Speaker 3: double Dutch, how's that gonna work? And now you're over
Speaker 3: here laying it it can work, you know, like a
Speaker 3: business based upon budgeting what and now here we are
Speaker 3: And so like, I hope those of you who are
Speaker 3: you know, BA fan that's listening you get to see
Speaker 3: that it is possible to grow a business from just
Speaker 3: about any idea. It's possible to do so while still
Speaker 3: having this amazing family. You hear the joy they have
Speaker 3: speaking with each other and connecting and staying connected. It
Speaker 3: is possible to do so with children, because how old
Speaker 3: is your oldest baby?
Speaker 4: Four?
Speaker 2: Five four child? Cheez?
Speaker 3: You know, like cause I know people are like, well,
Speaker 3: I got a baby, Okay, you know it is possible
Speaker 3: to do those things.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say it's easy, because I know it's
Speaker 2: not easy. No, you know, we're talking about possible. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about possible, but not easy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, So we just want to thank you for,
Speaker 3: like you know, illustrating like even the hard like you
Speaker 3: still here to join you guys's voice.
Speaker 2: I love that that, Like you know, these lessons taught you.
Speaker 3: Some valuable lessons that you learned to be resourceful, just
Speaker 3: like as you said, Michelle, and you learned that like
Speaker 3: to pivot.
Speaker 2: I think that was a huge lesson learned here.
Speaker 3: And you learn to also that if you really believe
Speaker 3: in your idea, you'll find a way and it doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that you might not take a step back.
Speaker 2: And also too, you learn to ask for help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so all those things combined, you know, and
Speaker 3: consistency and not giving up, you know, resulting where you
Speaker 3: are now and now that we're coming out on the
Speaker 3: other side, it's only bigger, bigger and better for y'all.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited for.
Speaker 4: Y'all, and that's consistency. I just want to stay warm.
Speaker 4: Thing just as a reminder, is there when we first started,
Speaker 4: we had empty classes and Sean would look at me
Speaker 4: and be like, because I'd be like, maybe it's not going.
Speaker 6: To work, and I would be like, isn't this amazing?
Speaker 6: Isn't this an amazing idea? This is gonna work?
Speaker 7: Because the thing is, I realized that it's not because
Speaker 7: we didn't have a good idea. It's just we're not
Speaker 7: promoting it right, So we just have to fix it.
Speaker 3: I was going to call that illustrating your Oprah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but for real, when I used to like, is it.
Speaker 4: A good idea?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I was like, no, no, this is a
Speaker 3: good idea. If someone doesn't want to pay me, I
Speaker 3: have not illustrated my Oprah. Meaning if Oprah, if we've
Speaker 3: got a call right now and Oprah said I will
Speaker 3: do a one on one with y'all, but I need
Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars. You have ten ten hours to come
Speaker 3: up with it. We will come up with that money
Speaker 3: so fast because we're like child.
Speaker 2: Che is Oprah.
Speaker 3: Because Oprah's value is so clear that we will find
Speaker 3: the funds. And so if someone's not willing to pay
Speaker 3: me just yet, I have not illustrated my value, and
Speaker 3: definitely that they will find the funds because now I've
Speaker 3: illustrated my oprah. So when I tell somebody, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 3: my keynote is forty thousand, they find the funds, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I think that.
Speaker 3: Too, because it's very easy to say, well, my idea
Speaker 3: is not good or it's not the right market or time.
Speaker 3: You know, it's likely you just have not illustrated your
Speaker 3: open and that's.
Speaker 6: Okay, yes it is, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know exactly.
Speaker 2: Just got to figure it out.
Speaker 3: How do you make it that your value is so
Speaker 3: clear that people will find the fund just to have you.
Speaker 6: In the room, because it took took it took them
Speaker 6: a little while to respect us.
Speaker 4: I got cursed out charging people for double Dutch. This
Speaker 4: man cursed me out. He wanted us to come out
Speaker 4: to his event. Oh he cursed me out. What is
Speaker 4: that I'm taking advantage? I said, certain, you can have
Speaker 4: ropes there. I didn't say you couldn't have rope if
Speaker 4: you want me to physically show up and show my expertise.
Speaker 4: If you want me and my husband to show up
Speaker 4: for a specific time and date and to literally do
Speaker 4: what we do, you have to pay us. I didn't
Speaker 4: exclude you from Double You want us there because you
Speaker 4: saw what we do.
Speaker 7: And I was Michelle was a little bothered by him,
Speaker 7: but but I was upset that she was upset.
Speaker 6: I was thinking, why why are you letting this stranger
Speaker 6: get you so upset? We know, we know our worst,
Speaker 6: our worst, we know our value, and.
Speaker 4: That's It's like you think Kevin Hard to come and
Speaker 4: tell jokes, but jokes at the party stops. You want
Speaker 4: Kevin Hart to come and tell you jokes.
Speaker 6: But the thing is, though, like, like, I get it.
Speaker 7: I get why because you know, Double Dutch has been
Speaker 7: free for one hundred years.
Speaker 6: You know, people you.
Speaker 7: Know stopped the telephone truck, got the wires, you know,
Speaker 7: and jumped outside to the till the street lights came on.
Speaker 6: I get it.
Speaker 4: But I'm a world champion.
Speaker 7: But the thing is, when Michelle and I come to
Speaker 7: your event, if there's a million people at your event,
Speaker 7: a million people will be jumping.
Speaker 6: Which is different, you know.
Speaker 7: So it's like we because we could teach anybody how
Speaker 7: to jump, right so that's the thing. So like, if
Speaker 7: you know, if you want our expertise, then you have
Speaker 7: to pay us. But it's it was really simple for me.
Speaker 7: I couldn't even understand why because.
Speaker 3: It's hard because you know, you feel you don't want
Speaker 3: to feel like, wow, am I what if that say
Speaker 3: about me?
Speaker 2: You know, we tend to internal life with people. But
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 3: It just means I'm okay now because I you know,
Speaker 3: it took me a while too, because Mitchelle I would
Speaker 3: have cried like.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, am I right?
Speaker 3: Because mean, if they could google budgeting, I said, well
Speaker 3: then why don't they like even now what? It took
Speaker 3: me a whild girl, It's like year twelve for me.
Speaker 3: I not bothered.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: When someone hits me back and says that's too expensive,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, okay, okay for you because I just
Speaker 3: got paid that last week. But okay, and that's okay.
Speaker 3: And here's the thing. I give a lot away for free.
Speaker 2: You could.
Speaker 3: I do lives, I have social posts, we've got emails,
Speaker 3: We've got you can. You can partake in all the
Speaker 3: free because I do believe in, you know, providing service
Speaker 3: to my community.
Speaker 2: But no if you're wanting, you know.
Speaker 3: A specific service that I charged for, that's what the cost.
Speaker 3: And if you don't have the budget, and that's okay,
Speaker 3: it just me you have to find somebody that fits
Speaker 3: within that budget. Because it's so funny when you know,
Speaker 3: when you first start, nobody wants to you know, like
Speaker 3: nobody wants to take you on the moment you blow up.
Speaker 2: Now you want to you want to pay me.
Speaker 3: The first starting budget, like you you called me for
Speaker 3: a reason, right, you know, you hit me up because
Speaker 3: you saw the New York Times best SELLI did you
Speaker 3: think that was that?
Speaker 2: Did you think that was gonna come for nothing?
Speaker 3: So yeah, but we can talk for everybody, Mandy, any
Speaker 3: any final things you want to see with our Yes, this.
Speaker 1: Is just thank you. Yeah, thirty minutes, say go, I
Speaker 1: bought the ropes. I can't wait, and I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: I didn't even not I didn't even know double dutch
Speaker 1: was a thing you could become a world champion and
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's a sport. I love that. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: thank y'all, thank you, thank you so much for sharing
Speaker 1: your story and sharing your energy and your your truth
Speaker 1: because y'all were honest about the ups and downs, and
Speaker 1: we appreciate that. I think our I hope our audience
Speaker 1: loves this conversation as much as as much as I did.
Speaker 6: I thank you, oh, thank you people.
Speaker 1: Find y'all ware. Now, where's the best place to find
Speaker 1: everything people need to know about Double Dutch?
Speaker 4: Find on Instagram, Double Dutch Aerobics, Facebook, Double Dutch Aerobics.
Speaker 4: If you forget everything, you can google Double Dutch Aerobics
Speaker 4: and find us everywhere.
Speaker 1: I got that SEO game on point. Very good to know. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: thank y'all so so much. We can't wait to hear
Speaker 1: more from Double Dutch Aerobics. Thank y'all, Sean and Michelle
Speaker 1: for joining us.
Speaker 6: Thank you really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you amazing. I feel so warm and fuzzy. Happy holidays.
Speaker 1: BA fan, thank you for joining us as we looked
Speaker 1: back at some of our favorite Brown Ambition conversations from
Speaker 1: the past year. Check back in with as soon as
Speaker 1: we take on a brand new year and bring you
Speaker 1: everything you need to know so you can take control
Speaker 1: of your financial and professional future on your own terms.