1 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: And we welcome you into Korea. It is the best 2 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: podcast available on Jason Gibbs to the left of me 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: and A Gribble to the right of me former Brown's 4 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: offensive lineman John Greco. Browns have won four of five, 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: four in a row at home, a big nineteen win 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: over the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday and Gribbs a game 7 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: that took a little bit to get going for this 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 1: football team and wasn't necessarily the prettiest, but offense ends 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: up with twenty seven points and a big win and 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: get to within a game of five, six and seven. Yeah, 11 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: you know, this was one of those games where as 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: I wrote, I mean the Browns were due for this 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: kind of win in that they have been on the 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: wrong side of some of these games where they've outgained 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: their opponent, dominated time of possession, dominated in a lot 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: of different ways the way the Angles did, but ultimately 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: didn't make the kind of plays that they needed to 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: to get to get the win. And now the Browns 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: were the sloppy team throughout the game, didn't really have 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: a ton of scoring chances, but when the Bengals were 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: in the scoring area, they limited their opportunities and came 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: out uh with a win. And the key to that 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: was obviously a big play by Denzil Awards, something this 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: defense literally has not made in two years, and UH 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: just just steady red zone defense and taking advantage of 26 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: some some really questionable Cincinnati play calling in the red zone. 27 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: And I think that that uh just allowed you to 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: win a game that may not have been the prettiest. 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: But as I mentioned to someone that I interacted with 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: on social media after this game, like, who all of 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: a sudden thinks this is college football and style points matter? 32 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: Like you look at the Bengal schedule and their score 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: by score, week by week, A lot of their scores 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: look like this. I mean, this is a team that 35 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: has hung in a lot of games. They really only 36 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: started getting blown out when they put in Finley in there. 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: They have an adult at quarterback in Andy Dalton, then 38 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: they're they're going to be competitive. And I think that 39 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: this was just the game you had to kind of 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 1: find out and win, uh to keep your postseason hopes alive. 41 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: And John, you and I talked about it earlier, you 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: went want to know and that's what this team needs 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: to focus on here in these last four weeks, not 44 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: what everybody else in the league is doing, not where 45 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: their playoff hopes lie. They have to focus on going 46 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: want to know, and we just talked about it. It 47 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: can be ugly. As long as you go one another, 48 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: that's all that matters. Absolutely, And you know, we find 49 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: ourselves talking when when the team loses, we say, man, 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: if we just had these three or four plays go away, 51 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: we win the game. And you and Sunday the Browns 52 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: did that. They found a way to win, and that's 53 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: what they're doing. That's that's the that's the goal each week, 54 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: whether you run the ball forty times or throw the 55 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: ball forty times, or your defense scores, no matter what 56 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: you do, you know, get a big special team spark. 57 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: No matter what you do, you want to come out 58 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: on top. And they found a way to win. And 59 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: it was great to see the running game not really 60 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: a factor till the second half, but it's pretty nice 61 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: when you get to see two running backs, two of 62 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: the top maybe ten, if not top five running backs 63 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: in the league in Kareem Hunted Nick Chubb carrying the 64 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: football for your football team when you're really rolling. Yeah, 65 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: I know there's been a lot of focus on the 66 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: play calling in the first half, and and I to 67 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: defend what Freddie has said, I think like when you 68 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: started passing the ball that first drive, it was looking 69 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: really easy, and I think that that could that was 70 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: trending in the right direction, but one really unfortunate turnover 71 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: that probably shouldn't have been a turnover, and then and 72 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: then a bad throw by Baker, and all of a sudden, 73 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: you really haven't had the ball that much, and you've 74 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: thrown the ball a bunch because it was working, but 75 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: you've turned it over twice and don't have any points 76 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: to show for it. So I understood that. But then 77 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: once you took the second half, you had a lead 78 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: somehow in the first half, even though the Bengals completely 79 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: outplayed you in that in that first half, you take 80 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: the lead with the running game and then kind of 81 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: let that carry you the rest of the way. But 82 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: still as good as the running game was, you don't 83 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: end the game the way you did without some of 84 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: those huge throws on third down. I mean, you converted. 85 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: Baker had ninety two yards on four third down throws 86 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: in this game. I mean, he it's some of his 87 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: biggest plays on third down, and those were third and 88 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: longs that were set up by some of these running 89 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: plays that didn't work out so well. So I think that, uh, 90 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: the running game I think could have been better, but 91 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: it did carry you in the second half. Yeah, And 92 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: I think from an offensive line standpoint, John maybe the 93 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: best effort from that from that group this year. Yeah, absolutely, 94 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: And it's the It was their sixth different combination of 95 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: starters up front, and I thought they played well statistically. 96 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, you look at their pressures given up and everything, 97 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: and it was statistically one of their best. But just 98 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: the little things that they were doing, in my opinion, 99 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: was the best that they've played all season. You know, 100 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: you saw guys sustaining blocks, moving guys when you know 101 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stalemates on that offensive line, and 102 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: it's who can displace the line of scrimmage, who is 103 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: pushing you're either getting pushed back yard or you're pushing 104 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: your guy yard and the way he doesn't want to go. 105 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: And then when you see guys dump guys, it's when 106 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: you know the running backs running by and your your 107 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: defender leaves, leaves your block and stretches an arm out 108 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: to try to make an arm tackle. That's when you 109 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: fall into off of them. So you saw a lot 110 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: of that and you know, uh, Andrew talked about a 111 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: critical uh some critical plays in the past game late 112 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: in the game, and you know a third and ten 113 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: screen conversion where you saw lineman getting out in space 114 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 1: and making blocks downfield and and allowing that that screen 115 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: to really go. And that was a huge spark on 116 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: third and ten. When you can stay on the field 117 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: and and convert and and you know, sustain a drive, 118 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's big for your offense. Those are 119 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: back breaking plays, just a number of yards alone that 120 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: Baker converted on those big third downs. Kendall lamb uh 121 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: making a start, basically making his debut long term. I 122 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: mean we've saw him for a couple of plays, but 123 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: really making his debut on Sunday and didn't didn't disappoint 124 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: at the right tackle position in place at Chris Hubbert. Yeah, 125 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: and you know he was going against uh, you know, 126 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: Karl's Dunlap, who who's a really good player and has 127 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: been for a long time and it's really been kind 128 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: of a cornerstone on that Bengals defensive line for a 129 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: number of years now. So it's not like he was 130 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: out there facing their third string guy. I mean he 131 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: he was. He was blocking a quality defender and it 132 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: was it was nice to see you, you know, when 133 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: you're when you're asked to go in there and and uh, 134 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, not have a drop of performance and um, 135 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, maybe play in a in a new spot, 136 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: a new you know, a lot of a lot of 137 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: being asked of you. And I thought he handled it 138 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: really well. I was impressed. Yeah, I mean this was 139 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: just I mean it was two different tackles from the 140 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: previous week. You're different. I mean you did. You have 141 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: Greg Robinson back and and and and kinda lamb there 142 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: on the right side, and you know, I know it's 143 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: a it's maybe a they have some good players on 144 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: the defensive line, but they're not exactly Pittsburgh on the 145 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: defensive line. But it was a completely different game I 146 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: thought for and it's it really is a shame that 147 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: the passing game, passing offense just didn't really go very 148 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: well in other areas. But Baker head time throughout the 149 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: whole game. And really that one sack I don't that 150 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: definitely wasn't on the tackles that seemed like an interior issue. Yeah, 151 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: and I think you mentioned it. You know, we were 152 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,559 Speaker 1: talked about kinda lamb coming back, but Greg Robinson coming 153 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: in and coming back and playing strong. I mean before 154 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: that concussion and the week of the Steeler game, he 155 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: was playing really well since he'd been set down for 156 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: a game. Yeah, and it's interesting. I mean we we 157 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: talked about it all the off season before we signed 158 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: the one year deal in Cleveland. I mean, is this nowhere? 159 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: Is this a conversation we have to revisit again at 160 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: the end of this year because these this position isn't 161 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: just asn't available in the free agency market, and with 162 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: a mid round first round draft pick, you're you're basically 163 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: taking a gamble on who you might be able to 164 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: go after at that position. So a lot of questions 165 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: on the offensive line in the off season, and Greg 166 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: Robinson's at least playing in the level where you have 167 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: to talk about where his role might be, if he 168 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: has a role in this team moving forward. Defensively, a 169 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: solid effort from this football team up bend but don't break, 170 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: I would say, kind of mentality. They gave up some yards, 171 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: but when it mattered inside the red zone, they held 172 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: tight and really did a nice job limiting Cincinnati's points 173 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: and signed that red zone. John just need a little 174 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: bit maybe more of that pass rush. And obviously you're 175 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: missing Miles and you're missing Vernon now as well. But 176 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, some of those younger guys getting some meaningful 177 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: snaps and they've got to step up and play a 178 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: little bit better here. Yeah. Absolutely, you know, when you 179 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: have the opportunity, you have to shine. You have to 180 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: be Um like you know I I you hear me, 181 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: I say it all the time. Become a part of 182 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: the solution and not the problem. So you know, when 183 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: you have when you have that opportunity, you know, do 184 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: a little bit extra, watch a little bit more film, 185 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: figure out a way to beat your guy. And really, 186 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, look to see them scheme a little bit 187 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: different if they're not winning one on one matchups, creating pressure. 188 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: See a some more blitzers, some more uh pressures, designed 189 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: different things to get after the quarterback, especially with Um. 190 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: You know, a young quarterback here on Sunday, you know, 191 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: you gotta try to rattle him because he's proven that 192 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: when he's under dress or trying to win the game 193 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: on his own, he throws it away. And that's what 194 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: the Browns are gonna be looking to do. And I 195 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: think it's also bringing bringing that blitz from somewhere else, 196 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: whether it's a defensive back, whether safety, a linebacker spot. 197 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: Gotta find a way to bring some additional pressure here 198 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: on a young rookie quarterback. You two mentioned Denzel Award 199 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Ribs earlier on, but since he's come back from his injury, 200 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: he is playing at a pro bowl level. I would say, yeah, 201 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: him and Greedy both have been very solid, uh at 202 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: that cornerback position, and it was one of those things 203 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: where when they were gone, the guys held their own 204 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: when when while they were out, But you notice a 205 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: difference with both of those guys in the field. The 206 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: only they obviously had the issues with the deep ball 207 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. I think they've fixed that and gotten over that. 208 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: The one thing that I think continues to get them 209 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: a little bit are these inside slants. Those the only 210 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: ones that that have really that's the only real way 211 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: you've been able to find success against Denzel Award this season. 212 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: But that kind of play, I mean, it's been a 213 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: long time coming for him. I think it he hadn't 214 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: had to pick six since high school. Uh, and he really. 215 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that had to do with 216 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: no one really threw at the mid Ohio State and 217 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: now he's coming to the NFL and a lot of 218 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: guys all of a sudden are throwing at the greedy 219 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: on the air side the field. So h good for 220 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: him to make make the most of an opportunity. And finally, 221 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: from what we've seen with the Browns that there's been 222 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: so many close pick sixes that have almost happened. I 223 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: almost go back to the was the Joe Schobert one 224 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: in the first game of last year, where that could 225 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: have won the game for you and you ultimately had 226 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: to settle for a tie. I mean, those plays are 227 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: important as much as the interception is huge, but scoring 228 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: is important because nothing is guaranteed once you get that 229 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: ball back. And uh, for him to get in that 230 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: just felt good and it just made you realize how 231 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: much those kind of plays can change the game, because 232 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: it's been two years since you had one, and really 233 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: the last one, I'm trying to go back to the 234 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: one before that, because the last one the Browns had 235 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: was completely relevant. It was in the fourth quarter of 236 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: a blowout. I would like that was the maybe the 237 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: most relevant one in recent memory for this team. And 238 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: that does so much for your team. I mean, the 239 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: Bengals were had a drive going, you know, the crowds 240 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: not into it, and then all of a sudden, get interception. 241 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: The crowd goes goes absolutely nuts. You know, you're sitting 242 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: on the sidelines. You know, you're looking through the Microsoft surface, 243 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: you're looking at the looks, the plays, you're talking about 244 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: what's coming up, and then all of a sudden you 245 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: hear everybody go on nuts and you see it and 246 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: and that's a huge spark for a team. And when 247 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: you can score points on defense or special teams, you know, 248 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of pressure off the offense. Then 249 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: you can get back to doing things like running the ball, 250 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: which we all know and lovel and it's so it's 251 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: so nice to see another team self destruct with those 252 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: kind of plays, because that was it was before the 253 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: pick six. It was a stupid fifteen yard unnecessary roughness 254 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: penalty on Joe Mixon that puts you in the third 255 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: and long. And I know it's on a run down here, 256 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: but by the way, they almost called that a second down. 257 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: They were a second away from running that play as 258 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: a second down before the officials realized it should have 259 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: been third down. Uh. And so you're in third and 260 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: twenty three and you're trying to make a play as 261 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: opposed to a third and eight, which you're not gonna 262 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: be forcing a throw as much. And lo and behold 263 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: you you you get the big play the other way. Well, 264 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: and you mentioned you're sitting on the bench, John, and 265 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: you watch it and I almost felt like the offense 266 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: was a little sluggish because they sat for too long. 267 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: Because the defense makes the play. Now the defense has 268 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: to go back out on you know, defense back out 269 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: on the field. Is that is there's such a problem 270 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: that that can happen? I think so. Yeah, especially you 271 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: know this time of year, it's December, it's colder, so 272 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of get out of it. And 273 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: when you're in there and you're playing and you're in 274 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: for a series or your score and you have a 275 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: long drive but maybe a pun and you come out, 276 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: you know you're you're in it. But when you're sitting 277 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: for a long time, you know, your mind drifts. You're 278 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: in the game, You're like, Okay, what's what's coming up? 279 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: What's uh, what are the plays we're thinking about in 280 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: this next series, what have we been doing well? So, yeah, 281 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: I think there's an element to that, but you know, 282 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: I'll get back to it. There's been times where I've 283 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: been sitting on the sidelines on that bench talking to 284 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: the guys, and I look and you're just sitting there 285 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: and you're like, come on, pick six. You know, let's 286 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: let's say why not? Why not right now? And Andrew, 287 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: like you said, it seems like it's always going the 288 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: opposite way. Finally it went our way, and who knows, 289 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: maybe this is one of many to come. Yeah, and 290 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: it's I also think that the offense was maybe a 291 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: little bit in shell shock after how that first series ended. 292 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: I mean everything you were, you were moving down the field. 293 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: I mean it is looking easy. It was looking like 294 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: all these other opening drives have during this stretch, and really, 295 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: you you made a play you should have made. You 296 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: threw it over the military of your tight end. He 297 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: catches the ball, he's laying on the ground, and then 298 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: you then you go through a lengthy review where you 299 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: think you're getting the ball back because it seems so obvious, 300 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: and then you don't get the ball back, and everyone's 301 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: kind of just in shell shock, like what just happened? 302 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: And it wasn't as if you were doing anything wrong 303 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: per se, it just but it just ended poorly and 304 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: then things just kind of unraveled a little bit from 305 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: from that point forward. I just want to talk big 306 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: picture around the league. We know that the officiating was 307 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: what it was on Sunday, it was. It was a 308 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: little rough at times, and it's been a little rough 309 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: throughout the season, and there were some challenges and some 310 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: reviews that went one way and you thought for sure 311 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: they were going the other way. I just want to know, 312 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: I mean, can can this? I know they say they're 313 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: going to fix the officiating problem or look into fixing 314 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: whatever has gone wrong this year, but I mean this 315 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: is that I feel I can bring down this football 316 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: league if it continues on the trend that it's going 317 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 1: right now. Absolutely. And you saw, you know, the implications 318 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: of the big miscall last season in the NFC of 319 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: title game, and obviously there's a major rule change because 320 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: of it. And even now it's just you almost get 321 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: the sense that's so inconsistent, where you know, you see 322 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: a play unravel and there's a no call and you say, okay, 323 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: we should challenge this and it's it's gonna be overturned 324 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: without a doubt, and we're gonna be rolling, and then 325 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: it just doesn't or you're hoping for it to get overturned, 326 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: and you know, it's just it's one of the things 327 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: you really have. No it's like a coin flip. You 328 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: just don't know. It's human error. It's gonna you know that, 329 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: what's a judgment call. They're getting advice from the booth 330 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: or from New York or wherever, and it just you 331 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: never know what's gonna happen. Well, I don't know how 332 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: many times over the last few weeks we've gone to 333 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: a review and we're watching it up in our booth. 334 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: You know, we've got we've got three different TVs. We're 335 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: watching it and we're going, yeah, that's going our way. 336 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Well, and here's the crazy thing. There's 337 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: definitely been a shift in the past interference thing, because 338 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: there was for the first half of the season. You 339 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: challenge past interference to waste of a challenge. Now the 340 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: Browns have not only benefited from two of these reversals 341 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: of past interferences, they didn't challenge either of them. You know, 342 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: both of them were on field challenges. One was because 343 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: it was inside two minutes. The other one was because 344 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: it was a turnover. So that play, if that ball 345 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: has just fallen in complete, you're punning there because they wouldn't. 346 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: There's no way the Browns would challenge for past interference 347 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: uh in that kind of situation. But then on the 348 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: other side, I'm sitting there sweating it out for three 349 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: minutes after the Jarvis Landry play, I'm wondering, are they 350 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: really gonna overturn this because there was maybe a little 351 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: bit of early blocking on Stephen Carlson on that play, uh, 352 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: And I thought that that might have been called and 353 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: that would have been a huge, a huge overturn. The 354 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: Bengal certainly felt I rate about it on the sidelines there. 355 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they it's just it's just hard to predict. 356 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: My big issue was all this stuff is it gets 357 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: under a microscope because we have such better technology now 358 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: everyone's engaging with the game on social media. I'll go 359 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: back to it. Worried me that they almost ran a 360 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: play on second now and it should have been third down. 361 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: That was the one where I was like, okay, that like, 362 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: let's let's fix this stuff. Yeah, like this could that 363 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: could have been a major, uh, major thing that happened 364 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: in the game. And you know, those are the things 365 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: that that need to get focused on. All Right, We're 366 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: done with the Bengals at least for a few weeks. 367 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: We'll revisit them coming up at the end of the 368 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: football season, but we turn our attention now to the 369 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. And uh, I mean, obviously the record isn't 370 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: what they had hoped it would be. I guess my 371 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: big question is Gribbs, when I take a look at them, 372 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: They're not a terrible team, They're not good, But is 373 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: it a is that record kind of symbolic of the 374 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: division that they're playing in right now? Yeah, I mean 375 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: I think the division has a lot to do with it. 376 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: And I think when you have a rookie at quarterback, 377 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we just experienced this. I Mean, you can 378 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: hit a wall at some point in the season, and 379 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: it's there aren't many rookie quarterbacks that finish the season 380 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 1: like Baker did last year. I Mean, usually you hit 381 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: a wall and you're just trying to get through the 382 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: rest of the season. I mean, this is a young 383 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: quarterback who's a different kind of quarterback. First year coach. 384 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: Uh and then a team that wasn't going to be 385 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: great on the offensive line and not great on defense. 386 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: And I think that's where it's kind of spiraled out 387 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: of control a little bit for them. I think they've 388 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: lost now what sixth straight, and Uh, it's just a 389 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: it's a it's a weird team, but one that concerns 390 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: me a little bit because I still think they have 391 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: the capability score points. And if you're looking for a 392 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: weakness on the Brons right now, it's a defense that 393 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: is filled with a ton of rookies and young guys 394 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: traveling to the other side of the country. Uh, you're 395 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: over three against the NFC West. You haven't traveled all 396 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: that great this season on your long trips. I mean 397 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: that those are the things that that worry me a 398 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: little bit. They and the Cardinals have hung in a 399 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: lot of these games. I mean, this is gonna be 400 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: a game that probably goes down to the fourth quarter. 401 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: Uh And and and you really have not seen a 402 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: quarterback like Colin Murli Murray all year since Lamar Jackson. 403 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean that's this. You gotta discipline the same way 404 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: you were against him. How do you defend Kyler Murray John. 405 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're from the offensive side of 406 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: the football, but watching him, he's definitely not afraid to 407 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: take chances on things. That's it. And and he's a 408 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: risk taker, and and uh, you know, like I said earlier, 409 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: that's either feast or famine. So when you you do 410 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: that and you try to extend plays and with your 411 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: legs and and get out of the pocket and make 412 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: big plays downfield, you know, you either force things and 413 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: that's when you throw picks, or you try to do 414 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: a little bit too much and you take sacks and 415 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: then the ball you get careless with the ball, or 416 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, on the other flip of the side of 417 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: the coin, you guys get open when it plays extended, 418 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: but you can't cover forever, and that's how they make 419 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: big plays. So I think, you know, you saw their 420 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: head coach even say that. You know, after the bye, 421 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: before the bye, he was having a lot of success. 422 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: He was making big plays. He was he was in rhythm, 423 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: he was making his throws on time. He was just 424 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: kind of leading the offensive. They were doing methodical things 425 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: even though it's up tempo, and you got the sense 426 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: and you can argue about their division, their schedule and everything. 427 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: But after the buy that, he got into a thing 428 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: where he was trying to do too much. He was 429 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 1: trying to force things. He was trying to win it 430 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: by himself. And I think, you know, if if they 431 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: can get him out of that, that's when he's really 432 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna be dangerous. And and like I said, at any time, 433 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: if he's buying time for you know, guys to get open, 434 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: he can make people pay. You gotta take advantage of 435 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: this defense though, I mean, that's this. You got to 436 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: be able to score points against this team, because, uh, 437 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, first off, I think it was Duck Hodges 438 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: this weekend was eight for eight on third down against 439 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I mean, that's just that's unheard of to 440 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: be that successful and third down. And then secondly, if anyone, 441 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: if you guys play a lot of fantasy football, you 442 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: know one thing about the Arizona Cardinals is they cannot 443 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: guard tight ends. Every tight end that goes into Arizona 444 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: has had huge days. So this if you want to 445 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: circle up David Njoku or potentially even Stephen Carlson to 446 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: have a big kind of game, this one would be it. 447 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: I mean week one after they play the Lions, everyone 448 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: thinks t J. Hawkins and is the next Rock. I 449 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: mean he had a huge game. Tyler Higbee went over 450 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: a hundred yards against them. I mean week after week 451 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 1: they give up tons of yards. They're tight ends. Uh. 452 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: So that that's an area where you have to take 453 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: advantage of this game, and you would love to see 454 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: it in the red zone. Get those guys going in 455 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: the red zone where you know historically, uh you know 456 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: this season the Browns have struggle, you know, scoring touchdown, 457 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: So it would be nice to get down there and 458 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: and like you said, kind of uh take advantage of 459 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: their lack of coverage abilities on those tight ends, whether 460 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: it's linebackers not being able to cover the athleticism, or 461 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: if it's you know, getting a big body on on 462 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: one of the smaller secondary guys. I wanted to ask 463 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: you their offensive lines giving up forty seven sacks this year, 464 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: But is that a case of the offensive line being 465 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: a little rough? Is that a case of Kyler Murray 466 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: with happy feet? I think it's both. You know, when 467 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: when a when a line has gives up zero sacks, 468 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: I always say it's everybody's involved in that. It's about 469 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: people getting rid of the quarterbacks, getting rid of the 470 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: ball in time. It's about the right running the right routes. 471 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: It's about just you know, being on on point calling 472 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: plays and on the flip side of things. I think 473 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of both. And a lot of 474 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: those could be tight ends, you know, involved in protections 475 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: or running backs or or you don't know what kind 476 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: of blitz is they have, if they're some kind of 477 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: empty protections where they're bringing one more than the offensive 478 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: line can bring. You know, I'm not trying to just 479 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: create excuses or bail them out, but I think if 480 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: you really looked at every one of them on tape, 481 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: you would probably see that it's maybe fifty fifty or 482 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more that uh Kyler is trying to 483 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: take uh, you know, some shots or trying to create time, 484 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: like I said, in the pocket and extend plays. And 485 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: then at the end of the day, you can only 486 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: block your guy for so long, and especially when when 487 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: he's out of the pocket, then you really lose control. 488 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't grab guys, they start calling holding calls. 489 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: So I would say it's a little bit of both. 490 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, that's that's another thing. I mean, 491 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: I think it's that that's that to me, tells me 492 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: it's the offensive line. I mean, that's that's one. He's 493 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: dealt with some injuries first option, and then they just 494 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: aren't running the ball the way they used to because 495 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: I think they you saw in their draft this year. 496 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they should have loaded up on 497 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: offensive line, but they just loaded up on skill guys. Yeah, 498 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: they mean they loaded up on skill guys in the 499 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: draft and really didn't fortifine offensive mine. They've had a 500 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: couple of first round picks not go their way. Uh, 501 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: guys that just really didn't pan out. Uh. And now 502 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: they're running back there strictly running back by committee right now. 503 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: And I think you look back at last week, Kenyan 504 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: Drake has been their number one guy. Uh. And he's 505 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: a guy I covered back at Alabama. I mean he's 506 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: I don't think he's an every down guy. I mean 507 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: that he should be your your change of pace guy. 508 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: But they paid David David Johnson a lot of money 509 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: and it's not looking so great right now. Old reliable 510 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald just keeps putting up the numbers, leading the 511 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: team in receptions. He has three touchdowns on the year. Uh, 512 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: he's given you a lot, but his body can only 513 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 1: give you so much, I feel like right now. And 514 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: that's and that's where they're at in terms of playmakers. 515 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: And but yeah, he's a guy you better know where 516 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: he is on the field. He will be a tough 517 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: matchup for whoever is set to cover him on Sunday. 518 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: He's reinvented himself the way the Hindes Ward did near 519 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: the end of his career with the Steelers. And you know, 520 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: it's just a it helps to have him in that offense. 521 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: It's just the offense there is just kind of a 522 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: mess right now. I just think that it's it's just 523 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: a weird mix and match of pieces. And I I 524 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: think Kingsbury is a guy that's gonna need a couple 525 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: of years to get his kind of personnel in there. 526 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to do in one season. And 527 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: even then when he gets his personnel in there, I 528 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: don't know how it's gonna work out. So I mean 529 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: right now that I'd say the Cardinals are definitely in 530 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: a transition phase. But they've had games where they've looked 531 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: pretty potent, So you just hope it's not one of 532 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: those weeks where you're the defense that's that's given up 533 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: a lot of place to them. How tough is it 534 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: to play out there in Arizona, I'll be honest. I 535 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 1: was talking to John before we started this. This is 536 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: my seventh year running the network side of things. This 537 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: is our first trip to Arizona. I said, last played 538 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven. I saw you weren't a 539 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: starter then, but you were with the team when you 540 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: went out there. So I've played there a number of times. Obviously, 541 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: I played in that division when I was with the 542 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: rams Um and we played there with the Giants. But 543 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny speaking of from you know, a 544 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: Brown's perspective. You know, you look outside every your everyday life. Here. 545 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: It's December, it's cold, it's snowing exactly. You know, it's 546 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: it's gray. You're wearing dark, heavy jackets every day. Uh, 547 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: you go out there, you know, you're like, I should 548 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: be swinging the sticks, playing some golf, laying by the pool, 549 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh wait, we gotta go play football. 550 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: With that being said, you know, I've always had a 551 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: tough time out there. I've seen I think I've won 552 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: a couple of games, but it's always a tough, tough 553 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: place to play for whatever reason. It's like, you know, 554 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: when you play in Detroit, it's it's just like they play. 555 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: They play a little bit better at home there, you know, 556 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: obviously going through a lot of uh you know, turmoil 557 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: right now, they're struggling for a win. They're they're trying 558 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: to fight for a win. So I think it's gonna 559 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: be a tough place to play. But what a better 560 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: opportunity to go out there for Baker, you know, going 561 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: against some of his uh ex teammates and coach and everything, 562 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: and should be exciting. Imagine. We saw the videos from 563 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: last week's game with the Steelers, obviously that they had 564 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: a stadium takeover with their fans. I have to imagine 565 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a similar Browns fan type presence, not 566 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: only from the locals, but from the Clevelanders looking to 567 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: make a vacation out of it. You get there in 568 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: December forever, yeah, I mean I would expect a lot 569 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: of Brownze fans. I mean we saw a lot in 570 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: San Francisco earlier this year. The trips you don't make 571 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: often are where you seem to see them the most 572 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: Brownze fans absolutely all right, keys to getting a Browns victory, 573 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: getting to seven and seven, staying in that playoff hunt, 574 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: and setting up what could be a real special matchup 575 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: with the Ravens in a week and a half. I 576 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: gotta take care of business first here on Sunday, Mr Greco, 577 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: We'll start with you. Keys to a Browns win. You'll 578 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: go to the offensive side of the ball. Just take 579 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: care of the football, you know, try to stack another 580 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: good game play from the offensive line, standpoint, protect Baker 581 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: and take some shots. And I said, oh year, you know, 582 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: get the ball to the running backs, whether it's passing 583 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: it to uh, you know, Creem Hunt or you with 584 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: the screen game. And then just just letting Nick Chubb 585 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: be be him. You know, he's he's cutting well, he's 586 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: he he seems like his vision is is uh really 587 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: at the top of his game right now. He's he's 588 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: seeing things, he's making quick adjustments, quick decisions, I should say, 589 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: And he's hitting things full speed. And that's the thing. 590 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: The guys are blocking well for him up front, doing 591 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: doing just enough to get him through to the second level. 592 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: And he's making guys miss I'll flip the defense. I 593 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: think you've got a limit Kyler Murray to maybe fifty 594 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: yards are less rushing, and I think you got to 595 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: take advantage and pick him off at least a couple 596 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: of times. You've got to make make him look like 597 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: a rookie. You've had your You've had mixed results against 598 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: rocky cornerbacks. This you're safe to say. I mean, Duck Hodges, 599 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: you didn't. You didn't make him look like a rookie. 600 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: Brandon Allen, you didn't make look like a rookie. But 601 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: you've also had some some better efforts against some some 602 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: younger guys. Make it look like weak two against the 603 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: Jets when you were facing their mixed maash of Trevor 604 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: Simeon and Luke Falk, I mean, that's what it should 605 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: look like when you're playing a young quarterback. This is 606 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: clearly a quarterback with way more talent than any of 607 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: those other rookie quarterbacks you've faced, but you just have 608 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: to make him regret some of the throws he did. 609 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: The Steelers did exactly that. Steelers didn't play a really 610 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: good offensive game. They haven't uh really all seasons since 611 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: Roethli Springer went down, but they played the Steelers kind 612 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: of game and really that game was was never too 613 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: much in doubt. Alright, gentlemen, until next week, let's hope 614 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: we are talking about a seven and seven football team 615 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: and getting ready for a huge, huge matchup at First 616 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: Energy Stadium to close out the home portion of the 617 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: schedule with the Ravens. For Andrew Gribble, For John Greco, 618 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Gibbs. Make sure you log on to Cleveland 619 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: Browns dot com or wherever you get your podcast. Subscribe 620 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 1: today to the best podcast available. We'll talk to you 621 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: next week. Thanks for listening, Thanks for watching the best 622 00:27:43,119 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: podcast available. O.