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Speaker 1: It is another edition of the Bark Tank, presented to

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Speaker 1: you by sugar Dale. Hope you're having a good Monday

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Speaker 1: or Tuesday or whatever day that ends in a y

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Speaker 1: that you might be listening to or watching this show

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Speaker 1: and wherever you find it, maybe the Cleveland Browns mobile app.

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Speaker 1: My name is Andrew Siciliana back of the Home office here.

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Speaker 1: After thawing out, Browns lose and they fall to three

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Speaker 1: and eleven. They lose in Chicago to the Bears, final

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Speaker 1: score thirty one to three. It is not about my comfort,

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Speaker 1: nor Nathan's comfort, or most importantly Jerrod's comfort. But let's

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Speaker 1: get the cold out of the way first. Both teams

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Speaker 1: played in it. For the record, the Bears obviously adapted

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Speaker 1: to it better, but it was cold. To quote good

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Speaker 1: friend and Hall of Famer Michael Irvin, when we played

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Speaker 1: in the cold, we was cold. It was that bad

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Speaker 1: and I'm not exaggerating. It took in almost until the

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Speaker 1: point we landed back home that I got full feeling

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Speaker 1: back in my toes. Check that I had feeling back,

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Speaker 1: but they were still tingling, still tingling because thanks to

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Speaker 1: the great Chicago Park Service, the heater under the desk

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Speaker 1: wasn't working, and the windows were open. You want the

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Speaker 1: windows open, You want the feel of the crowd, and

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Speaker 1: in Chicago, you truly are in the crowd. You had

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Speaker 1: Bears fans turning around with their beers and they were polite.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. They were winning and they really.

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Speaker 1: After the first quarter of the game wasn't that much

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Speaker 1: and dub Brown's had some fight in the third quarter,

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Speaker 1: you thought maybe they were the Andreation mid fifty yard

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Speaker 1: field goal, that there was a little bit of momentum.

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Speaker 2: Alass It did not last long. But those Bears fans

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Speaker 2: looking back at us, holding.

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Speaker 1: Their beers, politely smiling and listening to Nathan and yours

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Speaker 1: truly describe what was a disheartening gloss. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: no really other way to say it. You could try

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Speaker 1: to sugarcoat it, but I'm never going to do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm never going to look at this camera or talk

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Speaker 1: into this microphone and tell you that what you saw

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Speaker 1: wasn't what you saw.

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Speaker 2: You did see it.

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Speaker 1: You saw should or hit a couple of downfield shots

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Speaker 1: to Isaiah Bond, you had a career high eighty nine

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Speaker 1: yards receiving. It has been great to unlock him these

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Speaker 1: final three weeks and finally see that downfield threat that

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Speaker 1: you knew you had when you got him on campus.

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Speaker 1: But that was all the way back in August, as

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Bond did not sign until after that second preseason

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Speaker 1: game in Philadelphia. It was great to see that connection

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Speaker 1: yet again, almost had it a third time. I think

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Speaker 1: should Or's arm might have gotten hit on that third

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Speaker 1: back and he couldn't really find the ball. The sun

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Speaker 1: was moving throughout the day that was when it was

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Speaker 1: in the shadows. Not sure if that affected it. He

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Speaker 1: You know, could have would have should it It would

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Speaker 1: have been a very difficult caje and readjustment.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that was a silver lining.

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Speaker 1: The ball that Shaudre threw to Jerry Judy that he

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Speaker 1: couldn't hang on to on the pilon, that was a

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Speaker 1: time if he caught that ball. That is one of

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Speaker 1: the throws of the day, not just in our game,

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Speaker 1: but around the entire NFL. Matthew Stafford made some amazing throws. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams that throw to the back of the end zone,

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Speaker 1: over the hands of Ronnie Hickman and Grant Delpit into

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Speaker 1: the hands somehow of Dj Moore. That was a ridiculous

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Speaker 1: all year. Now, the one against the Raiders, obviously is

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Speaker 1: fifty five yards in the air. But the ball to

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Speaker 1: Judy was ridiculous. And if you go back and you

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Speaker 2: Bam. It's a beautiful ball.

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Speaker 1: And again, unfortunately Jerry Judy cannot hang on. Obviously, there

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Speaker 1: are some defensive flowers to hand out. Carson Schwessinger continues

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Speaker 1: to be unbelievable. He had a career high fourteen tackles

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Speaker 2: He not only leads the Browns in.

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Speaker 1: Tackles, but his one twenty five is by far the

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Speaker 1: Whether it's post ninety nine pre ninety nine, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: He has passed Wally Rayner. Remember him the linebacker who

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Speaker 1: Rebirth in ninety nine and then Boss Warred TJ Ward

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Speaker 1: had a bucko five as a rookie, Big number forty three,

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Speaker 1: Big number forty nine. Pretty amazing. I want to go

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Speaker 1: back if I could two quick Carson Swssenger stories. I

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Speaker 1: the podium at the Cross Country Mortgage campus, and they

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Speaker 1: do all the other meet and greets and shaking hands,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's a lot of stuff as new

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Speaker 1: employees you have to do, you know, you equipment and

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Speaker 1: hr just like any other job. But they sat down

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Speaker 1: and they did interviews for the show The Bark Tak.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we played this clip. I think

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Speaker 1: we might have back in April. But talking to Carson Swstnger,

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Speaker 1: I said, forty nine because that's what he wore UCLA

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Speaker 1: forty nine. Man, I like, has there ever been a

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Speaker 1: great linebacker that wears forty nine? As much as as

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Speaker 1: Nathan and Bow are uniform snobs, like, oh that uniform

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Speaker 1: doesn't look great? Oh what a great uniform combo. I

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Speaker 1: love them for that. That is their thing, not mine,

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Speaker 1: how does that number look? And forty nine is is

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Speaker 1: an odd one? We can all agree on that. And

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Speaker 1: I said to Carson were sitting there, and I said, man,

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Speaker 1: great forty nine? And he nodded his head and said, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll have to be the first. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I like this guy.

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Speaker 2: I like this dude.

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Speaker 1: Well done, Will said, And you know what, he backed

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Speaker 1: it up. He has absolutely backed it up. And if

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Speaker 1: and never take another snap, he is the NFL defensive

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Speaker 2: And there is no conversation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, NICKI Min Worry's doing very well, the safety,

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Speaker 1: but can't hold a candle to what Carson Swessinger has done.

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Speaker 1: Was down on the field before the game talking to

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Speaker 1: him and listen, world talking about the cold, right it's

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Speaker 1: the only thing. And Carson's out there really without a coat.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's just warming up in a hoodie. And

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Speaker 1: he's out there as he is every game day, playing

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Speaker 1: catch with a fellow rookie linebacker, Easton mascarinas Arnold, two

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Speaker 1: Southern California kids, and we're laughing and joking and everyone's

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Speaker 1: over by. So down of the sideline, you see the heaters.

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Speaker 1: Check out my Instagram. I put him on there. They're

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Speaker 1: like basically jet engines down there to keep you warm,

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Speaker 1: and when you are by them, you are warm, with

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Speaker 1: and everyone noticed that when you were by the heaters,

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Speaker 2: And they're jet engines. That's how cold it was.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Carson said that he thinks the coldest that they

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Speaker 1: like forty five degrees maybe at the University of Washington

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Speaker 1: you know what, he backed it up, didn't care, didn't care,

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Speaker 1: rec Sooner Horror before the game, He said that this

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Speaker 1: It was his final game in Jerome Baker's final game

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Speaker 1: fifteen was actually colder. I said, who won? He was

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Speaker 1: a Jerome and then kicked our you know whats? But

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Speaker 1: get to Miles. What Miles Garrett is doing is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: We know that.

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Speaker 1: I mean what Kevin often falls back on the What

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Speaker 1: more do you want me to say? He is that good?

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Speaker 1: He is the best defensive player alive. And I think

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Speaker 1: the argument needs to be made now. And I did

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Speaker 1: a deep dive during the week. Is he the greatest

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Speaker 1: Browns defensive player of all time? Len Ford is in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? Kids, go back and google len Ford.

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Speaker 1: Clay Matthews should be in the Hall of Fame. I

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Speaker 1: say modern era player, modern era. When I was a kid, right,

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Speaker 1: Clay was great in the eighties in the nineties, Clay

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Speaker 1: Matthews was the one who called game and picked off

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Speaker 1: Jim Kelly in the divisional round to end that playoff

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Speaker 1: Thomas a two hundred yards receiving Clay.

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Speaker 2: Matthews should be in the Hall.

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Speaker 1: Len Ford already is len Ford part of great Browns

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Speaker 1: championship teams in the fifties, A beast google him. But

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Speaker 1: when all is said and done, Miles Garrett will be

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Speaker 1: the greatest defensive player to ever wear an orange helmet period,

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Speaker 1: and what he is doing now will have one day

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Speaker 1: its own display in Canton, and that one day is

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Speaker 1: likely this summer, because the people down at the Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame are great in turning the stuff around.

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Speaker 1: And maybe it's this week that his jersey is going

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Speaker 1: to go there to commemorate breaking the all time single

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Speaker 1: season sack record. Miles had one and a half yesterday.

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Speaker 1: There was maybe a ten minute window there where we

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Speaker 1: didn't know if he was going to get a full

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Speaker 1: sack or a half sack when he shared that one

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Speaker 1: with Shelby. So little insight here. It's called the NFL

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Speaker 1: official stat Machine. I mean it has a different name.

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Speaker 1: I won't bore you with it, but it's what all

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Speaker 1: of us who are broadcasting games, we have that open

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Speaker 1: on our computer, and the official scorer, like the official

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Speaker 1: league ruling on every play, penalty, down in distance, yardage, completion, sack,

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Speaker 1: everything is in there. When Shelby and Miles got there together,

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Speaker 1: my call was they get there together, who's going to

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Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes you.

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Speaker 1: Don't need to look back, and it's better to look

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Speaker 1: for So we've unpacked what happened at Soldier Field. Let's

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Speaker 1: move forward to this week's opponent. Week sixteen's opponent. And

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Speaker 1: It's Tim Graham from the Athletic. That's only part of

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Speaker 1: Tim's story. He is the pride of Wyndham High School

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Speaker 3: I could not miss out on this opportunity to speak

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Speaker 3: Not only did they do that, I mean, there was

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Speaker 3: The Bills have problems on offense with their wide receivers,

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Speaker 3: anything outside of Josh Allen, running back James Cook and

435
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: a tight end or two depending on who's healthy. The Bills,

436
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: you know, their offensive line. Of course, you don't want

437
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 3: to leave those guys out. But in terms of weaponry

438
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: and what a defense needs to worry about, that nobody

439
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: has to worry about the Bills receivers. But winning on

440
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: the road three times is that's the thing, and the

441
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 3: fact that it's the Patriots, who kind of came out

442
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: of nowhere. The Bills heading into the season were the

443
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: preseason favorites, of all preseason favorites to win their division.

444
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 3: Nobody had had better odds to win their division than

445
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: the Bills because it was supposed to be a cakewalk.

446
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 3: You didn't have to worry about the Jets and or

447
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: the Dolphins. In fact, the Dolphins going into the season

448
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: had the most stability of any AFC East team other

449
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: than the Bills Patriots. Obviously, Vrabel's not a first year coach,

450
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 3: but with a changing of the guard and a second

451
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: year quarterback and so many different questions, I saw a stet.

452
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: The Patriots thirty players on their roster were not on

453
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Speaker 3: their fifty three man last year.

454
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Speaker 1: I think when the Browns were there, what was that

455
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Speaker 1: week nine? I think it was week nine. I think

456
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: that number was even higher at the deadline of Vrabel

457
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: took care a lot of family business and got a

458
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: lot of guys out of there, But yeah, I think

459
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: it was even higher at that point.

460
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Speaker 3: And the Patriots are number two to the Browns in

461
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: rookie snaps, so they're young player, they're transitioning, and you

462
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 3: would have thought well, the Bills at least have another

463
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 3: year to go before you need to worry about the

464
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 3: Patriots being closer than they appear in your rearview mirror.

465
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Speaker 3: But now here they are ahead of them. And so

466
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Speaker 3: the Bills with like we said, all these things that

467
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: are setting up for them as the AFC East erodes

468
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: a little bit or has a down year. However it

469
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 3: turns out to be when we look back five years

470
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Speaker 3: from now as to what twenty twenty five meant for

471
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Speaker 3: the AFC and people like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes

472
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 3: and Joe Burrow, it is just set up to where

473
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Speaker 3: they have that they're going to have the hardest road

474
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: and their defense can't make a stop all the time.

475
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 3: And I think it'll be interesting against you know, the

476
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Speaker 3: Browns and the defense that the that they have. It's uh,

477
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Speaker 3: that's not to say that, you know, the the brown

478
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: should be favored to win the game, but I don't

479
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: think that there is any game that the Bills have

480
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: gone into in which they've necessarily demonstrated dominance. It's just

481
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: it hasn't happened against the Steelers. But they also had

482
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: defensive help there with defensive touchdown. It's just anybody can

483
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: beat them, but yet they still might be the best

484
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: team in the a FC.

485
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Speaker 1: And you know what gets me is and you and

486
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Speaker 1: I talked h Is back in back during training camp

487
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: in August, during during the whole hard Knocks thing where

488
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 1: this was the set up up where all the pieces

489
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: are in place. You go get Josh Palmer second year

490
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: for king on Coleman, you bring in, you mentioned Tredavius White.

491
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: You draft all these pieces on the front seven defensively

492
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: so you can finally get to Patrick Mahomes when you

493
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: face him in the postseason. Josh doesn't have to play

494
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 1: hero ball anymore yet. That's how they're winning now. And

495
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like to a degree it's

496
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: you're you're embracing and that you but they're embracing it now.

497
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: All right, this is how we're gonna have to do it.

498
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: The other guys are gone, so let's let's lean on Josh.

499
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Speaker 1: And your piece is great here. You talked about Jim

500
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: Kelly having to throw up all the time pregame and

501
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: I miss this because we're doing our game.

502
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: But evidently they.

503
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Speaker 1: Caught Josh on the sideline Sunday losing his lunch again.

504
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: And he does that every week.

505
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Speaker 3: And it might Jim Kelly at least had the decorum

506
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: enough to do it before the game.

507
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Speaker 2: But Josh isn't punctual.

508
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: And you'll point out that that Haley, his wife's pregnant.

509
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: They just announced that last week. No morning sickness is

510
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: not contagious. But it's all on Josh. I guess can he?

511
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he he doesn't mind having it

512
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: all on his shoulders, but man, like I didn't. It

513
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be this way, was it.

514
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: No? And you go back to the preseason also, and

515
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 3: I know that the Browns fans probably aren't as up

516
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: on this. I mean, even watching Hard Knocks, if you

517
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: watched it, there were a lot of things that were

518
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: kind of left out. But the receivers have kind of

519
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: been you know, the Bills were very proud of their

520
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 3: receiver group, to the point where general manager Brandon Bean,

521
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: you know, went on the local radio program and did

522
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 3: a little you know, three sixty dunk on the morning

523
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: hosts because Combati wanted the Bills to draft a receiver

524
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: and they he kept saying, you guys are always complaining

525
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: about this, and you complaining that you guys wanted Josh

526
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: Rosen and we got you know, he's playing the Hey

527
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: I drafted Josh Allen card. And it turned out that

528
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: these morning hosts were correct. You know, Elijah Moore did

529
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: not save the Bill's receiver room and James Cook was

530
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: had to have a hold in during training camp to

531
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Speaker 3: get a contract extension. And there was a belief I

532
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: think coming out of the Brandon Bean doesn't like to

533
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: pay running backs. And there was a large segment of

534
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: the fan base too that said, hey see you later, man.

535
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: If you don't want to play for what you're you know,

536
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: what you're under contract for, We'll find somebody else to

537
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 3: do it, because we believed in their general manager and

538
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: running backs are interchangeable. Well, imagine where the Bills would

539
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: be without James Cook.

540
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: He's earned every penny.

541
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: He sure has, and he's probably he's a bargain now.

542
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: But yes, Josh Allen and James Cook are pretty much

543
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: doing it. But and this is an interesting thing and

544
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: we can talk about it if you'd like. But I

545
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: brought it up to a couple of guys in the

546
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: locker room and they laughed at me, but I said it.

547
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: You know, I prefaced it by saying, look, I know

548
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: this sounds ridiculous, but and this was maybe I don't know,

549
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: a month, month and a half ago, but the Bill

550
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: had lost a handful of games in which the running

551
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: game had been eliminated, and Josh Allen doesn't have receivers

552
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: to throw to. And I said, is it getting to

553
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: the point where defensive coordinators are going to say, okay,

554
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, go ahead and beat us. We're going to

555
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: take away the running game, and we're going to dare

556
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: Josh Allen to beat us, which sounds blasphemous. Right, He's

557
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: the reigning MVP. He is one of the greatest quarterbacks.

558
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: And I know I'll say you I'm going to sound

559
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: like a Homer, but look, anybody who is familiar with

560
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: my work, I mean, believe me. I do think he's

561
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. I mean,

562
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: this guy's a Hall of Famer. And the idea that

563
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: you're just going to say, go ahead, Josh, go ahead

564
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: and try to beat us. We're just going to take

565
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: away the running game. And a lot of times Josh

566
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: is like, you know what, I don't have anybody to

567
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: throw to. You know, my guys aren't getting open. My

568
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: receivers aren't getting separation. The Kean Coleman, they're thirty third

569
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: overall pick from just last year, is having trouble not

570
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: being a healthy scratch because he can't show up the

571
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: meetings on time. Dangerous tight end Dalton Kincaid has trouble

572
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: staying healthy. Joshua Palmer has trouble staying healthy. Curtis Samuel

573
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: and Elijah Moore when they were on the team together,

574
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: were healthy scratches early in the season. I mean, they

575
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: just can't get it going with these receivers. And that's

576
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: you know, that's where if Josh Allen is able to

577
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: pull this off, I mean we're gonna be We're gonna

578
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: be witnessing a legendary home stretch.

579
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Speaker 1: And I think he can do it. Yeah, I think

580
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 1: he can as well. I'm team Josh all the way.

581
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: I've been a huge Josh Allen fan, and I think

582
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: he could. I think, Look, there's a lot we could

583
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: do hours here on what the Chiefs mean to the

584
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: NFL and are we better with them or without them,

585
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: and why fans hate them.

586
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: It's not worth it, but.

587
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: Some guys have fought and fought and fought and battled

588
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: and are good people and if they win, like I think,

589
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: that's good for the league. Two, it's good for the

590
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: Buffalo fan base, it's good for Josh Allen. It's it's

591
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: a great story. It's hard to dislike Josh Allen. Now

592
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: that said, I love if Miles Garrett sacked him four

593
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: times and got the record and got out of the

594
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: way with fifteen games because TJ. Watt did it, got

595
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: to twenty two and a half in fifteen game. Now

596
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: he got it in week in the Steelers seventeenth game,

597
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: but he only played fifteen that year.

598
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: Josh Allen was sacked eight times against Houston. To go

599
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: back to that game, he was hit twelve times, and

600
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: seven of those eight sacks came in the second half.

601
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: So they can happen in bunches against the Bills. Now

602
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: that's unusual though, but when you have great pass rushers,

603
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: which the Bills haven't necessarily faced like they do with

604
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett and the Bills defense, excuse me, the Browns defense.

605
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: I mean he's legit. I think that those you know, Bills.

606
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: Could have trouble. Yeah, no, I'm got me correct myself.

607
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: It was sixteen games, not fifteen they played seventeen, he played,

608
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: he played sixteen. Either way, it would be great to

609
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: see you're coming in for this one, is right, I

610
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: will be there, yes, Okay, dude, do you have any

611
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: favorite Browns BW stories from back in the day that

612
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: you can share in this form.

613
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: You know, they were kind of I mean, we saw

614
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: those guys on campus all the time. And the Indians

615
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 3: would show up on the campus too. They would come

616
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: and use Baldwin Wallace's batting cages and indoor stuff because

617
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: they were close by the airport. And I think our facility,

618
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: strangely enough, even back then in the late eighties early nineties,

619
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: were better than what the Cleveland Indians had down at

620
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: Municipal Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Not surprise.

622
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Speaker 3: And so we would see and I never got into

623
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: one of these games, but you know, Bernie and Albert

624
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: Bell and different guys, Joe Charboneau would be on campus

625
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: and they'd be doing I mean, Joe Charboneau was long retired,

626
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: but he still would come around. And these guys were

627
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: just like playing in Ersprung Gymnasium, you know, pick up basketball.

628
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: And it was amazing to see because Bernie Cozar was

629
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: every bit the basketball what you would think is what

630
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: he was on the basketball court too. You're like, how

631
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: is this guy even getting up and down the court,

632
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: And then of course he's just like pitpoint passes, didn't

633
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: miss a shot, you know, it's just like, yeah, he

634
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: was just You're just like, yeah, I'm gonna guard that guy.

635
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: And then probably, you know, within two minutes, they're like,

636
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: why am I guarding this guy?

637
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: Did you ever play pick up with Albert Bell?

638
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: No? No, I didn't. I would watch, you know, a

639
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: couple of times, and usually they play, you know, because

640
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: they're elite athletes. We'd be on the the adjacent courts playing,

641
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: but usually they were playing with guys from the b

642
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: actual basketball team. You know, they wouldn't have wanted somebody

643
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: like me, you know, gumming up the works when they're

644
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: trying to run up and down the court.

645
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Speaker 1: Dude, I'd like give you that would be the most

646
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: ridiculous story if you like got into some fight with

647
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: Albert Bell in a pickup game in college.

648
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: I once, I once got crossways with Albert Bell when

649
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Speaker 3: I was working in Las Vegas. I was at the

650
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Speaker 3: Las Vegas Sun and he was for he was in

651
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: town and he was it was at the time when

652
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: the Baseball was announcing its award winners and al MVP

653
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: was going to be the next day. Well, he was

654
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: staying at the maraj Well I didn't know where he

655
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 3: was staying, because that's part of the story, so hanging.

656
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 3: So he's, uh, he's he's in Las Vegas and he's

657
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: got some party that he's going to throw for winning

658
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: the MVP, and Mo Vaughn wins the MVP, and that's

659
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: the year. If you take a look at the stats,

660
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: it was clearly like the writers just were not going

661
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: to give it to Albert Bell. And so I was

662
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: calling up to get his reaction because here I am

663
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: a young I'm a young reporter in Las Vegas, and

664
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Speaker 3: I'm like, hell, what do I care? I mean, Albert

665
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: Bell's here in town. I'm going to try to get

666
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: a big scoop, right, I mean, I don't whatever. So

667
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: I start back when you could do this, A lot

668
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: of people weren't under assume names. But you know, we

669
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: had to call the hotels all the time, you know,

670
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: celebrities coming through different events. You know, I had the

671
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: numbers to every most of the switchboards, Memori and so

672
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 3: I just start calling all the nice hotels and MGM,

673
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: you know, we don't have anybody under that name. We don't.

674
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Speaker 3: And plus I'm thinking under an assumed name whatever, I'm

675
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: probably not going to find him. Well, I get to

676
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: the Mirage, you know, I get further down into the

677
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: list of nice hotels, and sure enough they send me

678
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: right through to uh, you know Belle Albert, you know,

679
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: or I even said I checked a Joey maybe then

680
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 3: just to see because he's in Vegas, maybe he's got

681
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: he's going back to the original personality and uh. And

682
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 3: so he answers the phone, what do you want meat?

683
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: He doesn't know who I am. What do you want meat?

684
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: What do you want meat? Yeah? What do you want meat? Like,

685
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: I could be Pat Corrals calling or I don't know

686
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: who the manager would have been at that time. I

687
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: could have been Micha Rgrove or whatever. I don't know. Yeah,

688
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: I could have whoever the commissioner. I don't fae Vincent. Yeah,

689
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 3: what do you want meat? And I said, Hi, Albert,

690
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: my name's Tim Graham, a reporter with the Las Vegas

691
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 3: Son Click. So I'm like, I got him. I know

692
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: where he is.

693
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: You could have been Fernando Vinya. So I called back.

694
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Speaker 3: And I said, I kind of a hatch a plan

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00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: just to keep him on the phone. And there was

696
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 3: a big Tyson fight in town I think that weekend

697
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 3: or maybe, and then the weekend after and uh, same thing,

698
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 3: you know, just like he's like on a robo call.

699
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: I mean, he just he wasn't upset. He says, what

700
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: do you want me? I said, Albert, I'll give you

701
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 3: Mike Tyson tickets if you talk to me and give

702
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: me an interview here for He's like, what, really, who

703
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 3: is this? I said, it's Tim Graham from the Las

704
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: Vegas Son Click.

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Speaker 2: And so that's did you have the Tyson tickets? No,

706
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: of course not.

707
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: That would have been unethical.

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00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: Of course it would have been on it.

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00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: I just needed to keep him on the phone for

710
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 3: a second. I just needed to get his attention so

711
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 3: he wouldn't hang up on me. So that's my big

712
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: Albert Bell MoMA.

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00:36:59,480 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: I don't have one like that, Not that I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to match your story.

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Speaker 2: My only Albert. My best Albert Bell.

717
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: Memory was I was at the game in ninety five,

718
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: the first playoff game since fifty four, when he took

719
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: Rick Aguilera.

720
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: Out to tie the game.

721
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: Remember, Kevin Kennedy took his bat, and then he stood

722
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: up there on the top step of the dugout and

723
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: he pointed to his bicep because it was the year

724
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: that he got suspended for corking the bat. And he

725
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: goes up there and he's like, it's right bleeping here.

726
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: If you read his lips on the NBC broadcast, I

727
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: was gating Tony Pana hit the walk off. That's my

728
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: favorite Albert Bell memory. Kevin Kennedy years later told me

729
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: I worked with them at Fox Sports Radio that theo

730
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: Epstein had told him that when Bell hits his first

731
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: home run, if he hits his first home run, you

732
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: are hereby ordered to take his bat.

733
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 2: And Kevin Kennedy, now this is years later, said.

734
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, You're you're poking the ba

735
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: or if we do that, I don't want to do that,

736
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: and no, no, no, that's in order.

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00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: And so he's kind of was trying to say, I

738
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: didn't I didn't want to take his bat. I have

739
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: to take his bat.

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00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: I don't know that I disagree with that strategy. I mean,

741
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: you're poking if you just hit a home run. You

742
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: know he's probably on it a little bit anyway, So well,

743
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: let's see what we can do to knock him off track,

744
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 3: because he's easily knockoff trackable.

745
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: He is knockoff trackable. Yes that's a verb. Indians won

746
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: that series in three. They swept him.

747
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: Anyway, Tim, this has been fun. I appreciate you. You've

748
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: had a horrible travel day. Last thing you needed to

749
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: do is this, Thank you, sir.

750
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: The first thing I needed to do is this.

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00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 2: You're the greatest. We will see you at Huntingdon bank

752
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: Field on Sunday.

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00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: I assume I will be there, okay, travel safely through

754
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: the snow and looking forward to him, my friend.

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00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for having me. Let's do now?

756
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: What is sizzling for Zannaby Sugardale here in the bar

757
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: tank as we look around the AFC and our that

758
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: I really am having a hard time putting into words.

759
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: How intriguing.

760
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: I don't mean this like gallows humor, obviously they're a

761
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: division full, but how intriguing. What is going on in

762
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is to me right now from a national perspective

763
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: here and from a local perspective, an AFC North perspective

764
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: as well. Joe Burrow's comments last week about I don't

765
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: want to do this if I'm not having fun. Those

766
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: comments came on his twenty ninth birthday, and a lot

767
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: of people just step back and said, wait a minute, Joe,

768
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: what do you mean and said, you know, do you

769
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: want out? And is this kind of like an and

770
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: relux situation brewing where you're just going to come in

771
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: one day and say I'm retiring?

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00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: Is it?

773
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: Is it a set in office space where it's I

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00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: don't like my job and I don't think I'm going

775
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: to go anymore. You mean you're gonna quit? No, I

776
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: just don't think I'm gonna go. Is it something like that?

777
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: And then the Bengals went out and despite thirty nine

778
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: minutes of possession Sunday at home against the Ravens, they

779
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: get shut out. Wrap your head around that thirty nine

780
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: minutes time of possession and you get shut out and

781
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: you lose to the Ravens. Zach Taylor was adamant on

782
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: Monday that Burrow is going to play the final three

783
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: games of the season, despite the fact the Bengals are

784
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: now officially eliminated one of twelve teams to be eliminated.

785
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: Browns obviously included here as.

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Speaker 1: Well, and when pressed why, Zach said, well, because we

787
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: want to win, which is the right answer, clearly. But

788
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: it bears watching what happens in Cincinnati in the offseason.

789
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: Not rooting for any kind of scenario, but it is

790
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: one of those scenarios. It is one of those teams

791
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: for which there are many question marks. Joe Burrow looked listless.

792
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. Browns and their season Week

793
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: eighteen in Cincinnati, that game will have some intrigues, certainly,

794
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: and don't yet know when that game will be. Remember

795
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: last year we played Saturday in Baltimore as part of

796
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: an AFC North doubleheader. We played the Ravens, lost to

797
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: the Ravens of the early game, Bengals and Steelers play

798
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: in the late game. Huge game there for the division.

799
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: Right now, it is the Ravens on top, or beg

800
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: your pardon, the Steelers on top of the Ravens. Here

801
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: the Steelers, and we're recording this Monday before their game

802
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: against the Dolphins. The Steelers are seven and six, the

803
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: Ravens are below the cut line at seven and seven.

804
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: So the Steelers go to Detroit next week, followed by

805
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: their trip to hunting And bank Field. The Ravens get

806
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: New England this week, followed by a trip to Green

807
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: Bay and then Ravens and Steelers in Pittsburgh Week eighteen,

808
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: with the AFC North still very very much up for grabs.

809
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to and watching another edition of

810
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: the Bark Tank presented by Sugardale. As always, we try

811
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: to shoot straight with you. We all know that Sunday

812
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: in Chicago was not good. You got to dig yourself

813
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: out of it and find a way to finish strong.

814
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: Of these final three games. What are you looking for?

815
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: What are you watching for? Why do you care?

816
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 2: Well?

817
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: Because we're all Browns fans and we all do care,

818
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: and this team cares as well. You care about Miles

819
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: Garrett getting that record, You care about shud Or Sanders

820
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: continuing to grow, and you care about beating the Buffalo

821
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: Bills with Josh Allen, come into town. We will see

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00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: you Sunday at Huntington bank Field, and we will see

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00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: and talk to you right back here in the Bark Tank.

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00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: Coming up next week's edition from the Cross Country Mortgage

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Speaker 1: Campus in Borea. I'm Andrew Cciliato. So long everybody,