Speaker 1: R and B Money. Honey, we are thanks take valotility.
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Speaker 1: B ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: My name is Tank Valentine. This the R and B
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Speaker 2: B and instruments and instrumentation. See see see A lot
Speaker 2: of y'all. Okay, are not well versed in the ways
Speaker 2: of musicianship. Okay, you're standing on your drip. Huh you
Speaker 2: you you might be standing on the tune. I ain't
Speaker 2: mad at you stand on the tune. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. You know you you're standing on your social media's,
Speaker 2: but you're not standing on uh the gifts that personify.
Speaker 1: The thing that we do. How many instruments do you play?
Speaker 1: M No?
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 1: Ladies out there was skin flut, that's all you play?
Speaker 1: Huh nothing?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 1: This nigga's attacking, Yeah.
Speaker 2: This this this man right here, this gentleman right here.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you play pimping, that's all you do. That's
Speaker 1: that's the don play paper. We did. We don't pause.
Speaker 1: That's the only that's what we don't do. We don't pause.
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about you.
Speaker 1: We gotta fell in the building.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: He don't play about his musicianship, he don't play about
Speaker 2: his artistry, and the damn should don't play by this name.
Speaker 4: Give it up for my brother. Yeah, my sack, my, yeah.
Speaker 1: How you doing, yo? This man's thumach.
Speaker 5: You Yeah, I got regular niggas.
Speaker 1: You have to start listen to your story was like this.
Speaker 5: That's a love language.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: That okay, I got it. So there's certain chords that
Speaker 5: you play because you're you. Have we ever talked about that.
Speaker 3: In the show.
Speaker 2: Listen, man, my thumb is a lovel. It's gonna age. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm getting ready to make a page from my yo
Speaker 2: right here, right here.
Speaker 5: Wow, you better make the page before this shipbody somebody else.
Speaker 1: I got all kind of fake dumb as.
Speaker 2: Now, oh my brother. First of all, thank you man,
Speaker 2: thank you for coming.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
Speaker 5: I feel so comfortable. I'm gonna take my glass.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you've been doing some cool stuff, man, Thank you,
Speaker 6: really cool stuff, like so cool that I had to,
Speaker 6: you know, I had to.
Speaker 1: Be a part of it, and I appreciate that much.
Speaker 2: One, you know, I want to start there and then
Speaker 2: we'll we'll go back to the beginning, get it and
Speaker 2: get into all the intricacies of of where you're from,
Speaker 2: how you got your name, all of that cool stuff.
Speaker 1: But that yams nigga when I say a vibe.
Speaker 2: Crazy Like a lot of people explore the nineties and
Speaker 2: you know, they they you know, they figured you know,
Speaker 2: they figure out their way to just kind of snatch
Speaker 2: some of the nuance and you know and just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I get it. I get what you're trying to do.
Speaker 2: I get dead on. I felt like I was in Heigho,
Speaker 2: I was graduating high school all over again.
Speaker 5: That was a very authentic record. Oh many, thank you man,
Speaker 5: Devin Morrison. I can't even take all of that compliment.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, absolutely absolutely he was the student.
Speaker 2: But it's like, what it made me realize is that
Speaker 2: people are so hungry for that energy. Because just putting
Speaker 2: out the word like y'all might need to sing this,
Speaker 2: it just went crazy. Shout out to Charlie Wilson because
Speaker 2: that was the first that was my first time here.
Speaker 2: That that's what opened my ears. I was like, what
Speaker 2: is Charlie singing? First of all, his voice is he's
Speaker 2: out of control. I'm like his attitude, you know, what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But then to go back to the originally,
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I said, oh, this needs to be a thing,
Speaker 2: and you made it a thing. This needs to be
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that there were millions of you know,
Speaker 1: interactions and sales and lots of show money.
Speaker 5: And uptick and uptick that's what they called it.
Speaker 2: So there was plenty of uptick for for you too,
Speaker 2: my friend, because y'all did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did that? How did that record come back?
Speaker 5: Something like this with just men talking and then making
Speaker 5: music at the same time.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: I used to make a lot of videos about my
Speaker 5: observations when I travel, and I was like, in Africa
Speaker 5: they got the yams that the women in America getting
Speaker 5: surgery to get. That was the conversation, right, And so
Speaker 5: I'm always talking about yams. And she got a yamtation
Speaker 5: back there and a Yamborghini Green Eggs and Yam. That's
Speaker 5: just been how I've spoken to that. You know, those
Speaker 5: are past cars and Borghini right there. And so Devin,
Speaker 5: being an equally hilarious young man, made an instrumental called
Speaker 5: Yams and then we started to have a conversation over
Speaker 5: this instrumental and you know, we were talking in tone,
Speaker 5: and then we began to sing a little bit, and
Speaker 5: then I guess eventually a song was birthed. You know,
Speaker 5: I heard I'm supposed to do this when I talk
Speaker 5: to people.
Speaker 1: I like that, but supposed to.
Speaker 5: Look left and right when you media training. That's all
Speaker 5: these songs. Were just having fun, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And like Devin is a student of commission in all
Speaker 5: things nineties, you know, and you can absolutely he can
Speaker 5: hear it's crazy, and so like usual, I'm just having fun,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Like he left and then
Speaker 5: he texts back a bridge. I text back a response
Speaker 5: to the bridge. He texts back, uh damn colder or
Speaker 5: something like that. And then I put a sax solo
Speaker 5: on it, and then Max here is it, my bass
Speaker 5: player friend, and he's like, you gotta put this out, bro,
Speaker 5: And he's telling me for years.
Speaker 1: He's like, bro, cool seven years? What for three years? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Every year we play it during Thanksgivings. Max, you know,
Speaker 5: he would always do every Thanksgiving. Yes, He's like, bro, record,
Speaker 5: He's like, come on, stop this drop this record. Just
Speaker 5: it's like come on. We was having fun like, I
Speaker 5: don't want to do all that. Finally, we just you
Speaker 5: were taking yourself too serious.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was, because we fight musicianship, we fight for
Speaker 2: the cool. It's the code of musicians just don't want
Speaker 2: to seem outside of the realm of true create creativity.
Speaker 2: But it's like, when you're having your most fun, you're
Speaker 2: probably being your most creative because it's it's not overthinking anything,
Speaker 2: it's just it's just flowing, allowing it to be whatever
Speaker 2: the moment calls for.
Speaker 5: I think the first musician that I met that I
Speaker 5: felt like was truly having fun was t Pain was
Speaker 5: having a good time. Great example, when I met Tea
Speaker 5: pay because at first I didn't realize how much of
Speaker 5: a musician he was because nobody did, because you just
Speaker 5: kind of wrote it off, just the public's ignorance of
Speaker 5: what greatness really is. And then I meet him and
Speaker 5: I'm in a studio with him, I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 5: this niggas amazing.
Speaker 1: He's just having a good fucking time.
Speaker 7: At no point was he serious at any moment during
Speaker 7: the session, anytime I've ever run into him. He's just
Speaker 7: a fun, loving guy having a good ass time making
Speaker 7: amazing music. And I think that it gave me a
Speaker 7: sense of understanding freedom musically to me when I when
Speaker 7: I you know, when I met him, I was just like, damn,
Speaker 7: this is he's in a very free space.
Speaker 2: I'm going to add a person to your statement that
Speaker 2: it's just that are animal spirit spirit animals in Jazzy
Speaker 2: fat Oh yeah, Jazzy.
Speaker 1: The Fizzle, the Fizzle Finz.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Jazzy Fizzle been having a good time, great
Speaker 2: respect always.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, he's always having a good time. Briefcase Jazzy always.
Speaker 2: But I even say that to to you and my
Speaker 2: own self, like I've made great music under duress, but.
Speaker 1: When I've had fun making music, that's what.
Speaker 5: If you drop some of those fucking around records, we
Speaker 5: probably go to the movie.
Speaker 1: We have a yeah challenge, go to the moon this video.
Speaker 5: Man, he drops these records thumb.
Speaker 1: So what happens?
Speaker 5: Okay, you put the record out and I've always liked your.
Speaker 1: Music, thank you.
Speaker 5: So I had heard the record before and then I
Speaker 5: forgot about the record and heard it again in a
Speaker 5: new light through.
Speaker 1: Fedy Yeah mm hmm. How does that process go though?
Speaker 8: Does is it?
Speaker 7: Is it literally just him taking the record and doing
Speaker 7: his own thing. With it, or did he reach out
Speaker 7: to y'all or like, you know, because this is just
Speaker 7: a we're in a new music business. We're in a
Speaker 7: I'll take care of it when it gets crack, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean, or you know, we'll chase it
Speaker 7: once it's cracking, whatever that is, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: So how did how was that process and were you
Speaker 7: guys involved in his release of it?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 5: I was on the road at the time, so all
Speaker 5: I did was receive a text of the record and
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 5: And so next thing I know, I get another text saying, YO,
Speaker 5: is it cool if he drops it? I'm like sure,
Speaker 5: cause again it's a record that we had fun with,
Speaker 5: so I'm not it's not yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's not like it's not your baby. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 5: have some fun with it. He had fun with it,
Speaker 5: and even the cored choices he did, I thought it
Speaker 5: was like hilarious the way he reinterpreted it. Me and
Speaker 5: Devon having a good time, because Devon is more of
Speaker 5: a stickler for you know, the arts, and he's like,
Speaker 5: he didn't do the cord bir change seven should have
Speaker 5: been a knife. I'm like, Yo, this is fire, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So not to say Devin in
Speaker 5: like it later on, but I feel like I'm always
Speaker 5: down to just let art, just let it out, let
Speaker 5: the people decide what happens to it. And people would
Speaker 5: always ask me, we you but heard about it getting
Speaker 5: even larger with Fetti. I'm just like, no, that's cool.
Speaker 5: There's different audiences because I felt like it was a
Speaker 5: huge record.
Speaker 2: I didn't know Feedti had that record out. You didn't
Speaker 2: know Ship when I did it. When we started the
Speaker 2: challenge and did all that. Mine was Charlie Wilson. And
Speaker 2: then and then people I saw people started attacking me like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you need to give Freeddi Wap his credit.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it got wild. I was like,
Speaker 1: give Freddie Wap what credit? I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is day song. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I knew Fetty's version through my son, because you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like it was yeah, the younger generation,
Speaker 5: like I knew your record through me knowing your music.
Speaker 5: I knew his version through my son, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. So that was like my rediscovery of it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, Ship, wait, I know the song
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So they cuts you out. They thought they.
Speaker 2: Was like, you do you ain't you ain't tapping No, Fettie,
Speaker 2: you ain't tapped in.
Speaker 1: I like Fetty Way. I like the boy.
Speaker 2: He got good songs, but he ain't not to originate
Speaker 2: of this. His essence ain't why I fell in love
Speaker 2: with this.
Speaker 1: That was your argument. That was my argument.
Speaker 5: Wastead of just been like, you know what, y'all wasn't
Speaker 5: tapped in.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about the I was tapped into the sauce. Hallelujah.
Speaker 1: Oh my my mind. There you go. Duplicators were replicators.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: But I went to the originator. I went to the sauce.
Speaker 2: Look to the heels, from which comes my my god, so.
Speaker 5: The gold around my next to talk, Let's go back
Speaker 5: to the beginning.
Speaker 2: Bro, Let's go back to the beginning, to this all
Speaker 2: started for you, to where you know, I like to say,
Speaker 2: when somebody looked at you and say that boy gonna
Speaker 2: be some I'm like that boy got it?
Speaker 1: Or you even said you even said to yourself, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of nice. Yeah, yeah, the beginning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think when I was eight years old, right,
Speaker 5: this is back to the church days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you go there, We're going to go there.
Speaker 5: I used to always ignore the sermon and watch the musicians. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was my whole bot because they had their own
Speaker 5: little community, communicating with the hand signals and not dressing
Speaker 5: in church clothes. And I was like, they're having fun.
Speaker 5: I like this. I don't want to hear this. I'm
Speaker 5: eight years old. Of course I want to play tag
Speaker 5: at the in the church. And so my parents noticed
Speaker 5: that I was only gravitating towards this, and we're saying, like,
Speaker 5: we got to pray over your hands. If you want
Speaker 5: to be in the music industry or the music you know, ministry,
Speaker 5: let's make sure you're doing it right. So from there
Speaker 5: they saw that I had an affinity for learning music. Quickly,
Speaker 5: I'm hopping on the drums, I had natural rhythm. I
Speaker 5: was hopping on the keys. I wasn't singing yet, but
Speaker 5: I was just trying to play all the instruments, pick
Speaker 5: the bass, pick it whatever. And They're like, Okay, he
Speaker 5: gonna be somebody someday. That's when that started cool. And
Speaker 5: so then the next iteration of that was when I
Speaker 5: had to choose a related arts in middle school, meaning
Speaker 5: you want to paint or you want to be in
Speaker 5: a band. And so I was deciding. And we had
Speaker 5: a class in our school that always had a subsidute teacher.
Speaker 5: Because she never showed up in this particular subsidute teacher.
Speaker 5: She had a little Yamborghini behind her.
Speaker 1: All right, made you more interested in the class. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's her story? So let's have a guy.
Speaker 5: I was like a seventh eighth story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I said something in my spirit she might have needed.
Speaker 1: She made need a management.
Speaker 5: I didn't even know that word back then, but I
Speaker 5: wanted to manage something.
Speaker 2: For you to play over her hands from his hands.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll get there. I'm asking my boys, like, yo,
Speaker 5: how do I get her heart? And he said, we
Speaker 5: gotta do some research. I look at her binder. It's
Speaker 5: a picture of Najie Davis and the binder. I hit
Speaker 5: the Googles and I said, that's a saxophone player. I
Speaker 5: want to be in the band.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 5: And so I'm in the band. I'm learning saxophone, like
Speaker 5: I need to learn saxophone. Every Sunday, I'm like ear
Speaker 5: pressed on the TV. Trying to like figure that out. Okay, cool,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna rady all that. I get sweet a saxophone.
Speaker 5: I get sweet enough to learn my first song on saxophone,
Speaker 5: which was Naked Marcus Houston. Wow, easy scale and I
Speaker 5: can learn that, learned it, played it for and she
Speaker 5: was like, huh, young man, you played naked for. I
Speaker 5: like this guy's savage. Yeah, savage. You know the niggas
Speaker 5: who wrote naked is sitting right next to you. I
Speaker 5: promise on everything.
Speaker 4: That's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I was just listening to this term.
Speaker 5: I'm like the nigga rot to produce the song that
Speaker 5: you're talking about. Rhyme, that is cool. I'm putting my
Speaker 5: chades back. This is too vulnerable. This is awesome, This
Speaker 5: is too intimate. That hilarious.
Speaker 8: To be young, to be young, to.
Speaker 1: Be young man? What Yeah, that's the truth. You play
Speaker 1: naked to the teacher I did.
Speaker 5: This is sick.
Speaker 1: You him, you are him? This is great. What a
Speaker 1: good day.
Speaker 5: Fuck learn sex, and then I'm gonna play naked and
Speaker 5: tell her exactly what I would.
Speaker 1: I would like to do. If there's any detention you
Speaker 1: got for me, any extra credit? My next question is
Speaker 1: she doing for the TN.
Speaker 2: Now think where his music and musicianship takes us, but
Speaker 2: it takes your places.
Speaker 1: Around.
Speaker 5: I'll be reflecting, like, man, we can really do a lot.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, substitute teacher, wasn't there a lot? So cool? All
Speaker 5: I was left with was the instrument. Continued to play.
Speaker 5: It got kicked out of class a lot because I
Speaker 5: wanted to learn other songs that you wrote unknowingly, and
Speaker 5: so that's all I would do during class, Listen on
Speaker 5: line wire whatever mixtape somebody brought me on the school.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, what's that? Okay, that's such
Speaker 5: and such about.
Speaker 1: To learn that?
Speaker 5: That's all I did that a class cool. But then
Speaker 5: I had a substitute teacher for band one day. It
Speaker 5: was this dude, mister Hulkam, big black dude, listen to
Speaker 5: Charlie Parker type of guy. And he was like, you
Speaker 5: gonna be something. I'm not gonna kick you out today.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put you into jazz band. So he puts
Speaker 5: me in the jazz band and it's way better for
Speaker 5: me because I can improve. And the best part was
Speaker 5: that partner sheet music and it was like make it up.
Speaker 5: I said, oh this for me. So every day, I
Speaker 5: get to just make a solo up. Then I can
Speaker 5: stay in class and just get that out. And I
Speaker 5: feel like from there it just kept progressing. I'm like,
Speaker 5: I don't want a jazz band, I want my own band.
Speaker 5: I don't want to go to this college. I want
Speaker 5: to drop out of college. It just kind of kept
Speaker 5: compounding from there.
Speaker 2: I feel like your generation was the generation that kind
Speaker 2: of reshaped the idea of how you learn to play instruments,
Speaker 2: because before your generation, it was always very much the
Speaker 2: structure of Bach and Beethoven. It was just very much
Speaker 2: fingers on the Middle Sea, thumb on the Middle Sea,
Speaker 2: and you move from there. But I think your generation
Speaker 2: started a thing where the music needed to meet the individual,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Because like one of the
Speaker 2: teachers that teaches my son, like, she was like, well,
Speaker 2: what do you like And he's like, well, I like
Speaker 2: Spider Man and she was like, okay, well let's learn
Speaker 2: Spider Man. Yeah, And so he's he's excited. He's learning
Speaker 2: the theory to Spider Man. But in his mind, he's
Speaker 2: just learning Spider Man, learning Spider Man, but he's learning
Speaker 2: all of the theory. He understands where the key.
Speaker 5: Is piquing someone's interest, and if they taught us that way,
Speaker 5: we wouldn't learn so much more.
Speaker 2: But it was everything was this is how it's always been.
Speaker 2: It was so much tradition, and I think your generation
Speaker 2: was was the start of breath.
Speaker 5: And if you come across a Yamborghini, Yamborghinia making you
Speaker 5: come across want.
Speaker 1: To learn, do wrong wrong.
Speaker 5: So you're at college, you're at college, you're not, but
Speaker 5: you're at Yeah, I'm at there. I think I wouldn't
Speaker 5: say I felt like the man, but I knew I
Speaker 5: was an outlier. I used to longboard and play saxophone
Speaker 5: at the same time.
Speaker 1: Hold on, man, that's.
Speaker 5: Like that image is around on the net. You were
Speaker 5: andre three thousand as what you saying, we go now
Speaker 5: we're painting it.
Speaker 1: Is he rich or homeless?
Speaker 4: Hey man, maybe he's both because it's.
Speaker 5: That is the dynamic this basketball photo you're making right now.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's just hilarious. Bron What's I supposed to
Speaker 5: be six supposed to be brothers. I'm supposed to be
Speaker 5: your height? As what's going on?
Speaker 1: He said? Quit the monkey coup? Oh Mann, I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was gonna be like sorry, you had you
Speaker 1: all had a question reaching home.
Speaker 2: I was longboarding, but it's like ro Virginia.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a hilarious line.
Speaker 2: But it's like those eclectic type things and guys like
Speaker 2: all the girls are like, who's the guy to be
Speaker 2: riding a skateboard playing the saxophone?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't know I got
Speaker 1: practice right now. I don't know who that niggas, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But this guy, Eric Benney kind of guy would get
Speaker 2: all the yams.
Speaker 1: It used to be so mad at you. It wasn't
Speaker 1: you the guy's like, wait a minute.
Speaker 5: I was just trying to find my way, man, you know,
Speaker 5: and uh I think I found.
Speaker 2: So does that does that lead to any discovery and
Speaker 2: that college space or is that after the fact in
Speaker 2: terms of, you know, getting into the business or.
Speaker 1: Drop your own music.
Speaker 5: I did, but I think it was beautiful that I
Speaker 5: could learn how trash it was, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: In my college humbled me because there were real artists
Speaker 5: in college with clothing lines and with software to mix
Speaker 5: their music and with just a lot of professional artistisms.
Speaker 5: And so I was getting to college thinking I was
Speaker 5: like the best in the world. All this like confidence
Speaker 5: or whatever, but dropping music and losing talent competitions and
Speaker 5: all that.
Speaker 1: I liked that. I was like, oh, this is oh,
Speaker 1: you're taking ls too.
Speaker 5: I was taking so many l's, collecting them as I
Speaker 5: was long, yeah, excuse me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And so from that, the game theory and me activated
Speaker 5: or I was like, I got to defeat you. I
Speaker 5: got to not lose this talent competition. I need to
Speaker 5: figure out my niche to figure out how to win.
Speaker 5: And I credit college for that because I said, Okay,
Speaker 5: I got to make beats from scratch because I'm really
Speaker 5: good off the top of my head. Oh, I got
Speaker 5: to show you how many instruments I can play. I
Speaker 5: got to make a song about you right here, so
Speaker 5: you know, no one else can do this. And after
Speaker 5: that I got man comfortable. I was like, nobody can
Speaker 5: do this because nobody is doing this. Then I started
Speaker 5: to win, and then I was like, okay, I needed
Speaker 5: those losses to appreciate this win.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, because I was.
Speaker 2: I think I was singing baby faces songs. Girls would
Speaker 2: ask me to sing to them.
Speaker 5: The timbre of your voice just told me a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you just you just went straight around.
Speaker 2: I was only doing original gospel music at the time.
Speaker 2: So if you wanted, if you wanted to know anything
Speaker 2: about Jesus, I could hook you up.
Speaker 5: The movie makes sense.
Speaker 2: Now you want a little Holy GOLs right there for
Speaker 2: you in a minute. You want to love song covers,
Speaker 2: I hadn't hadn't even gotten to the space to where
Speaker 2: I had even explored that part of my creativity.
Speaker 1: Yet, that's cool. I just I just didn't know.
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't until what two years out of high
Speaker 2: school that I decided to try r and b.
Speaker 1: Let me try it. Church ain't paying me enough, and
Speaker 1: I gotta eat the rail, gotta eat. They were starting
Speaker 1: you out what one hundred and fifty a Sunday.
Speaker 5: They paid me in chicken. But I understand what you're saying, though, Wait,
Speaker 5: hold on, hold on, you're a love offering. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: the love was a chicken.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was dahn, that's real. I started out of
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars a Sunday. I fought years to end
Speaker 2: up at that one fifty.
Speaker 1: M What you're gonna do with these days? Yeah?
Speaker 2: They told me the Lord was gonna provide. I said, well,
Speaker 2: when is that nigga coming through so I can talk
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't even been able to sell you niggas no weed,
Speaker 5: trying to by the weed with a piece of chicken. Now,
Speaker 5: you know, I used to trade chicken for a parking space.
Speaker 1: Here go baring. You were getting a lot of chickens.
Speaker 5: I was getting the chicken and now I'm getting the
Speaker 5: y Yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, so get so. So we did traded chicken
Speaker 2: for parking spaces. We have been collecting l's on our
Speaker 2: long board, and and and and building to our ws.
Speaker 1: Yes we have.
Speaker 2: And you know, putting out our music, trying to figure
Speaker 2: out how to be a professional in this thing. What
Speaker 2: is what is your what is your breaking point? What
Speaker 2: is what is what is that pivotal moment that says
Speaker 2: I'm in the music business now?
Speaker 8: Hmm?
Speaker 5: I think twenty eighteen was when I shifted from SoundCloud
Speaker 5: to the streaming platforms like the main ones, and that
Speaker 5: was my R and B album. You know, it was
Speaker 5: me trying to say I'm an artist. I know I'm entertaining,
Speaker 5: I know I am talented, but these are records and
Speaker 5: people are going to play these records in the future,
Speaker 5: and it's going to be the thing, And I feel
Speaker 5: like the tour I went on in twenty eighteen solidified
Speaker 5: that I have to be looked at as an artist
Speaker 5: because I'm like, I'm selling out these venues. People are
Speaker 5: tattooing the lyrics on them like it's all the you're
Speaker 5: an artist ISM's happening and purely independent.
Speaker 1: Yeah at this point, yes.
Speaker 5: It's just you know, me and the people you meet
Speaker 5: along the way. Okay, so yeah, the record deal came
Speaker 5: maybe before you get before you get to the record deal,
Speaker 5: how did you know where to go? Meaning it's tour
Speaker 5: right and saying you know you're selling out these venues.
Speaker 5: Were you using the analytics or were you just did
Speaker 5: you even know about the analytics yet? Of Okay, I
Speaker 5: have a thousand fans and such and such, so I
Speaker 5: can probably do a spot that fits two fifty.
Speaker 1: Did you go through that process?
Speaker 7: Because we want to give these artists who are getting
Speaker 7: into the game and understanding of how not to lose
Speaker 7: your ass.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's just like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna go do a
Speaker 5: show in New York. Well, nigga, they don't know you
Speaker 5: in New York. What are you talking about? Go figure
Speaker 5: out or did you just take the chance.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to know.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, that's a great question. I always looked
Speaker 5: at what the people were saying. Like SoundCloud, the way
Speaker 5: it was structured was as that song is played, they
Speaker 5: can comment if they like it, where they're from, whatever,
Speaker 5: And so I would take that gather some data. I
Speaker 5: was always trying to outsmart the system, right, and I
Speaker 5: always would go where the love is. So to continue
Speaker 5: with answering that, I would say I would do a
Speaker 5: show and then figure out who was there, and from
Speaker 5: that it would create the next show. And I think
Speaker 5: I would just let that be deciding where I should go.
Speaker 5: So my show on a rooftop in New York turned
Speaker 5: into it a festival in DC because I was making
Speaker 5: a beat and this dude was like, Yo, you should
Speaker 5: do this thing called your Electro in DC. Then that
Speaker 5: festival got me attention to say, yo, come do this
Speaker 5: selection show in LA And I'm like, oh yeah, that
Speaker 5: was mad Love in LA from the SoundCloud comments cool,
Speaker 5: all right, it should be fine go to La. LA
Speaker 5: is like Okay, there's a dude from the UK that
Speaker 5: wants you to do this thing. I say, all right,
Speaker 5: I'll go over there losing money. By the way, on
Speaker 5: all of this, the plane ticket sucked up all that cash.
Speaker 5: But I knew that people was the power. I've been
Speaker 5: knew that because I was just like the only reason
Speaker 5: that I was succeeding was because women championed me. They said, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: he this a collected guy.
Speaker 1: We choose him.
Speaker 5: And so I always paid attention to what the people
Speaker 5: liked and where they were at, and I just go there.
Speaker 5: So I used to it was literally a non official tour.
Speaker 5: It was like this show did this, and then I
Speaker 5: was like, I've been on twelf for two years. Wow,
Speaker 5: that was that was my story. So just paying attention
Speaker 5: to people, I think it's good advice. I read the comments.
Speaker 5: I organized the comments in a spreadsheet. I used to
Speaker 5: like make my old older sistant, my best friend just
Speaker 5: like categorize what type of songs they were responding to.
Speaker 5: We looked at everything like game footage. Like I was
Speaker 5: very calculated in the beginning and I'm still today. So
Speaker 5: I think I answered that.
Speaker 1: I love that absolutely.
Speaker 2: But then at the other piece though, with the information
Speaker 2: in terms of how you go from SoundCloud to the DSPs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta like, you gotta talk to people. You
Speaker 5: have to almost harass people for information while you're not
Speaker 5: in the in crowd yet, and you have to read
Speaker 5: anything available and try to figure out the through line
Speaker 5: that connects it all. Because it was definitely difficult at
Speaker 5: first figuring out what does this mean, what it splits,
Speaker 5: what's the publishing? How do you figure out how to
Speaker 5: get this there? But I felt like trying to be
Speaker 5: open to trying to understand it, being vocal about that,
Speaker 5: whether it's social media, in your conversations, it was leading
Speaker 5: to more answers, like I met the dude that created
Speaker 5: the stem platform that allowed artists to upload things and
Speaker 5: they put it on the DSPs. I met them early
Speaker 5: on a beach in LA while I was doing my
Speaker 5: little street musician thing. So I just feel like, again,
Speaker 5: a lot of this.
Speaker 2: Is just he said, who I love that too though
Speaker 2: the street streets.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, we'll get them going. That's a
Speaker 5: lot of who I am. But I've always been It's
Speaker 5: all it goes back to relationships or currency, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. I was just like, I haven't gotten
Speaker 5: to where I want to get to it because I
Speaker 5: haven't met the right person, and so I would always
Speaker 5: just go outside or do something clever on social media
Speaker 5: until I would get closer to the understanding that I
Speaker 5: lacked at the time. So yeah, when it comes to
Speaker 5: how did I get my stuff on DSPs, I used
Speaker 5: to email everybody long, annoying paragraphs of questions. I used
Speaker 5: to follow the person that this person and followed and like,
Speaker 5: I used to try to do all the things, and
Speaker 5: it led to a little bit more understanding, and oh
Speaker 5: I shouldn't do that, and I should do that, and
Speaker 5: I understand this one, and I would just compound it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so wow, that now I love the due diligence though.
Speaker 1: That's the hunger you gotta have. I was very hungry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you have to be in.
Speaker 2: I mean, first, the people business is what we subscribe to.
Speaker 2: We're in the people business. Everything else is a byproduct
Speaker 2: of that. You got to get the people there, or
Speaker 2: get to the people in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 2: That's where you build. But to ask to to not
Speaker 2: be afraid to ask those questions, to not be afraid
Speaker 2: to take those chances, is a different kind of hunger,
Speaker 2: because then you have to start chipping away at the
Speaker 2: pride and ego that goes along with your feeling like
Speaker 2: you're good at your but understanding you're not there yet.
Speaker 5: That's what Virginia did though. Yeah, like in terms of
Speaker 5: joking ability, they're great in the DMV, Like they'll tell
Speaker 5: you exactly how much they don't like what you're wearing
Speaker 5: or what you're sounding, like the comments will cook you. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's all And I needed that because a lot of people,
Speaker 5: this is what's in the way. They think they're so
Speaker 5: amazing and untouchable. They don't need to go overseas because
Speaker 5: America is only all that matters all that. If you
Speaker 5: defeat that, I really feel like that's when you begin
Speaker 5: to grow. And so once I got all of my
Speaker 5: ego just just destroyed, then I got to build it
Speaker 5: back up in a better way. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I know that I've spent ten thousand hours on being
Speaker 5: in front of people making beats from scratch, So I'm
Speaker 5: not scared about that. I'm not scared to talk to people.
Speaker 5: I'm not scared of the nose. I don't care if
Speaker 5: somebody thinks I'm annoying or lame. It's just like, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, I've already went through that so
Speaker 5: I think that's why that that was that, you know,
Speaker 5: that hyperbolic period of just building up my you know,
Speaker 5: industry strength.
Speaker 1: Hyperbolic. You went to school a little bit, he went
Speaker 1: to one of the classes.
Speaker 2: Hyperbolic is not like you know, you just walking and
Speaker 2: chilling on the corner. This niggas just like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean what you're doing with your hyperbolic today, Like, that's not.
Speaker 5: Done a lot of museum days.
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of music.
Speaker 5: Subsidiary my repertoire, my repertoire, Yeah yeah, trust me, that's
Speaker 5: where you get the words from the museums. First big
Speaker 5: record to me love Be like m hmm, it's from SoundCloud.
Speaker 5: And that was what made me drop out of school
Speaker 5: because it got one hundred thousand plays in a day.
Speaker 1: I'm out, this bitch, I'm out.
Speaker 5: I know I was here. I said, not no more communications,
Speaker 5: one on one, a hundred thousand. I was coming here
Speaker 5: for this. I dot it about you an't even give
Speaker 5: me a scholarship peace, he said.
Speaker 1: Pe whoa like ten? Pe my repertoire? Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: One hundred thousand and one day?
Speaker 5: That's all that to me? I was like, I'm famous.
Speaker 5: That's what I told my and then when Girls That
Speaker 5: Dance came out, I said, oh, it's over, I'm it,
Speaker 5: give me the plaque. But I knew at that time
Speaker 5: that I'm missing something to get this plaqu because if
Speaker 5: I didn't here yet, we'll be all right. Between Lovely
Speaker 5: Lick and Girls of Dance, like those are the ones
Speaker 5: where I was like, Okay, this is what famous. And
Speaker 5: then when I started to see it can just keep
Speaker 5: getting redefined. And I've been trying to do this for
Speaker 5: like months now. I'm trying to like find and a
Speaker 5: way to compare the music industry to sports.
Speaker 1: I'm like, is it basketball? Is it football?
Speaker 5: Just so I can gauge the wins a little bit
Speaker 5: better because it's so nuanced, and do we win this?
Speaker 5: Is this the plaque that says we got the ring?
Speaker 5: Are these your rings? Or is this like a trophy?
Speaker 5: Is this the MVP Award? And so I tried to
Speaker 5: do that, and I felt like if I had a
Speaker 5: metric that I wanted to hit and I hit it,
Speaker 5: that's the ring. And so love Be Like was the
Speaker 5: first one, and I was like one hundred k like
Speaker 5: that's it, and then it just kept increasing and increasing. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's multiple championships, absolutely, But the difference
Speaker 5: is in music, you're truly competing with yourself.
Speaker 1: M m yeah, truly.
Speaker 5: Like we can say, oh, well, the Grammy and you know,
Speaker 5: I won this award at the end of the year,
Speaker 5: and I guess that would probably be perceived to be
Speaker 5: what our super Bowl is and our you know, NBA championship.
Speaker 5: But the truth of the matter is that you're you're
Speaker 5: really competing with yourself of where you feel that you
Speaker 5: know that success lies, like you said, for you to
Speaker 5: see that one hundred thousand, that's your super Bowl, that was.
Speaker 1: Life changing for you.
Speaker 7: And I think with music, we put too much on
Speaker 7: you know, everybody else's things, you know, instead of just
Speaker 7: being like, this is what satisfies me, this is what
Speaker 7: I believe is the greatest shit in the world, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Like that you even having that story and explaining that, like, yeah,
Speaker 7: when you saw that one hundred thousand, because we can
Speaker 7: have so many of those moments in the music business
Speaker 7: that in you know, like in the NBA, you just
Speaker 7: met you can make it to the league, and then
Speaker 7: you try to get your contract, and then you try
Speaker 7: to and then you but in music, every day you
Speaker 7: can be satisfied by that song you just wrote or
Speaker 7: this room being like maybe that's the one. There's satisfaction
Speaker 7: in that that we have in music that we I
Speaker 7: don't I don't think I personally that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that.
Speaker 7: You know, other forms have that, that that instant gratification.
Speaker 5: You know, I know how I feel. The dunk dunk,
Speaker 5: the basketball cool, you.
Speaker 7: Know what I'm saying talk about, But you know, seeing
Speaker 7: a record go the way that they go and then
Speaker 7: seeing people react to it the same, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean, or even crazier, like I've never always say this,
Speaker 7: I've never seen a woman throw their panties at somebody
Speaker 7: for dunk and a basketball. She might have thrown her
Speaker 7: panties about the contract he signed talk about it, But
Speaker 7: I've seen panties get.
Speaker 5: Thrown off of a Oh yeah, we haven't panty talk.
Speaker 1: We always have. This is the R and B Money Podcast.
Speaker 4: Come on, rustles a little, Come on.
Speaker 5: We haven't talk.
Speaker 1: That because him.
Speaker 5: The other thing about music too, though, is that we
Speaker 5: can get it all broke. Okay, we can get it
Speaker 5: all broke. I talk about it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: We can dive into that, you know what I mean
Speaker 5: when it's like, oh damn, you date him, that's cool.
Speaker 7: I probably can't afford to go to the game he
Speaker 7: playing there. But you like this song rot, don't you?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: Because at the end of the day, talk about it.
Speaker 5: It all comes down to the yams.
Speaker 1: Y'all good at what y'all do. This is a good show,
Speaker 1: R and B.
Speaker 2: I don't care how you cut it, you know, I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: how you slice it? Still a yam still yam man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're freshly braided. I know her too. I know why,
Speaker 2: just in case that yam is.
Speaker 1: Look, it's the playoffs right now, he said, you freshly break. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know why. It's always the playoffs for rest, as.
Speaker 2: In being in competition with yourself. It's just it's just
Speaker 2: the progressions that make it all make sense. It's getting
Speaker 2: a hundred more people in the building, it's getting a
Speaker 2: hundred more spans that week. It's you know, I don't
Speaker 2: I mean, I like the I love the award shows.
Speaker 2: I love it. I get I get what it is.
Speaker 2: But I've seen so many historians and even current artists
Speaker 2: have so much success without it, great success. So it
Speaker 2: goes back to what you're saying, like, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: it's about you. It's about your progressions and your upgrades
Speaker 2: and continuing to to be better and build that are
Speaker 2: and that word continuing to spread of who you are
Speaker 2: and what you're doing them then then venues getting bigger
Speaker 2: and bigger, you know.
Speaker 5: Like I don't know you through the numbers. I know
Speaker 5: you through the woman. Have you heard it now?
Speaker 1: Yes? I have m Yeah, I like that record.
Speaker 5: This man is dropping place today.
Speaker 7: Like but seriously though, and that that is something that
Speaker 7: that you've established within your artistry and your career, that's special.
Speaker 7: You said it earlier, you were like, you know, I
Speaker 7: knew women were supporting me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: And that that that you you you had your target audience.
Speaker 7: You stuck to it, and they they become your introduction,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. It was It wasn't like
Speaker 7: you know, the radio introduced me to you or some playlist.
Speaker 1: Or that it literally the woman. It was just he's dope.
Speaker 1: He's dope. If you heard him, that's simple. And then
Speaker 1: it became if you didn't hear him, think you don't
Speaker 1: know about that?
Speaker 7: No painings for you, O, man, Like you've done, he bro, Listen,
Speaker 7: you gott.
Speaker 1: Some fly ship, bro.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that some fly ship really shout out women,
Speaker 5: man shout out to talk. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: What's been your most successful record?
Speaker 1: Successful?
Speaker 5: Definitely, okay, just because of the impact into places that
Speaker 5: I wouldn't otherwise find myself, certain countries that I wouldn't
Speaker 5: have been to, certain people wouldn't have discovered me. Like
Speaker 5: it just opened up the most doors, and it's such
Speaker 5: a great introduction when someone's trying to understand that I'm
Speaker 5: a little left of center with my approach to R
Speaker 5: and B. It's like, watch a video. You see exactly
Speaker 5: what he be doing. He makes up songs, he's inspired
Speaker 5: by women because you see her walking by the window.
Speaker 5: The whole video plays a bunch of instruments and it's quick.
Speaker 5: I was like, cool, if that's all you know me from,
Speaker 5: fine by me. It's a good intro. What's the inspiration
Speaker 5: of that record? The flight to Paris for the first
Speaker 5: time because I hadn't been and when was that? When
Speaker 5: was it twenty seventeen maybe? And the woman walking by
Speaker 5: the window because I didn't think there were black people
Speaker 5: in Paris at the time, and I was surprised. I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, and so I got to show off
Speaker 5: because I know you see me, see you see you.
Speaker 5: So I'm about to play all these instruments and just
Speaker 5: look at the window the whole time, glasses on. I'm
Speaker 5: just like it's for that. Yeah, And everybody behind me
Speaker 5: was just like just gasping, like what is what's happened?
Speaker 5: Because I met old dude FKJ five minutes prior didn't
Speaker 5: speak English.
Speaker 1: Well, he said five minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So as we're getting introduced to each other, he's warming
Speaker 5: his guitar up and that's the riff of the song.
Speaker 5: And so I'm like, all right, we ain't got to talk. Then,
Speaker 5: let's just come on. I got drums, start punching the
Speaker 5: drum machine, and so yeah, it was just another in
Speaker 5: the moment. So y'all got all my favorite things here, women, tea, instruments.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's give them. Let's just give him some backstory.
Speaker 1: You know. He walks onto the pod. Uh, he's walking
Speaker 1: in here, and we're like, man, you got we got water,
Speaker 1: we got uh, we got libations. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We did we to tequila on that little whiskey aged whiskey.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We like whiskey of age.
Speaker 2: And he says, yeah, yeah, I feel all that, But
Speaker 2: where's the tea? I said what he said, it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be R and B money.
Speaker 1: You ain't got no tea. You know what I do
Speaker 1: have tea, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I got tea and I got a love cut trump
Speaker 2: me think I ain't ready. I just bought throw coats
Speaker 2: with limited incognesia and I got mint tea. I got
Speaker 2: Camra meals that saying, I got ginger tea for digestions.
Speaker 1: Just in case you know what I'm saying, you bounce an.
Speaker 1: I got tea, all right, So.
Speaker 2: This man loves tea every time you see him. Just
Speaker 2: make sure maybe you'll come up with a brand of tease.
Speaker 1: Are we branding something right now? If they cutting the check? No, no,
Speaker 1: no the check. If they start in the LLC, you
Speaker 1: can find me. But you got beverages, don't you? You gets
Speaker 1: you got some? You guess your don't think going right?
Speaker 1: I got I.
Speaker 5: Don't know if I got nothing. What I got?
Speaker 3: What I got?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got stuff closing opening, Okay, we can't talk
Speaker 5: about it yet. Actually you're talking about the jont in
Speaker 5: the overseas situation. Listen, man, I'm big for health, and
Speaker 5: as a man that acquired a little bit more access,
Speaker 5: I've noticed that white people got all the healthy things
Speaker 5: just right next to themselves, and I was like, I
Speaker 5: want black people to have this knowledge, these resources, all this,
Speaker 5: And I think it comes down to affecting culture because
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, I love all the plant based vegan talk,
Speaker 5: because our interpretation, unfortunately, is just replacing comfort food with
Speaker 5: just impossible meet. And I don't think that's the that's
Speaker 5: the word. Do anybody know what's in that? It's it's
Speaker 5: it ain't acgnesias.
Speaker 1: Real quick, you know it's not. You cannot put it in.
Speaker 5: The hold on, man, do you find a suspicious?
Speaker 4: Don't you find a suspicious that we don't get all
Speaker 4: the help?
Speaker 5: Why it costs so much? Why fast foods so affordable
Speaker 5: and near us?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, what you find a suspicious? I find it suspicious?
Speaker 1: My brother? Can I call you brother Tank? You can
Speaker 1: call me brother Tank.
Speaker 5: I find it suspicious. Then we can't even have nothing.
Speaker 2: Thumbs up to my rap career. Let's start there.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, h.
Speaker 2: M h.
Speaker 5: M hmmmm.
Speaker 3: Top five.
Speaker 1: Your top five.
Speaker 2: Top five, Your top five R and B easigga, all
Speaker 2: the these songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, bring.
Speaker 3: Let's tell a discus, tell these bussines, tackle tack. Yes, your.
Speaker 8: Top five, it's all types of off.
Speaker 1: Let's say I shut it tear your top five all singers,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: The first person that came to mind was DiAngelo. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'll start there, Okay, definitely, that's where I will start.
Speaker 5: The second person popped my mind was j Moss. I
Speaker 5: act like that out of control definitely.
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Third, I'm gonna go with Jamie Fox. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the cat, the Cat, the cat, musician, tip musicians.
Speaker 5: Impact, Mary J. Blige, Yeah, how to do it? And
Speaker 5: then number five spot gotta go Stevie. Yeah, and see
Speaker 5: defeated un defeated in the world. It's just multifaceted. Choose
Speaker 5: multi everything and he can see so but we'll get
Speaker 5: to that anyway. Your top five, top five R and
Speaker 5: B songs. Okay, top five R and B songs. I
Speaker 5: gotta access some cool to get this. They got you
Speaker 5: both for this one.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, all right. Image, So it's like it's like
Speaker 2: you ski, but you you have the Ten Commandments written.
Speaker 5: On your Ski Betray My Heart DeAngelo. I think that's
Speaker 5: a good one.
Speaker 1: Mm. I think it's suspicious. We don't talk about that
Speaker 1: song enough. That's just me. I would say, hmmmm.
Speaker 8: Was it?
Speaker 1: Was it? What you want to be? Y'all? Why a w?
Speaker 1: Have you heard this record?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Where's my cellular device? Can you pass it? I was
Speaker 1: listening to it on the morning all the while? But yes,
Speaker 1: it is very beautiful. It is Where would you be?
Speaker 1: Why a w? Oh? I love that you don't know
Speaker 1: this song. You should listen to it.
Speaker 5: It's very It could be a cover and I could
Speaker 5: just be a youngster. We'll see later. Cool butterflies MJ
Speaker 5: why not? Yes, have to Marshall fancy the Dream?
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 1: That's a good love song.
Speaker 8: That one. What a vibe?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, would love to hear liveh missed mm hmm.
Speaker 5: And J Moss Florida, Yeah, let's go to Florida talks
Speaker 5: about the Temptations.
Speaker 1: I really liked that one. It was an R and
Speaker 1: B thing. It was a lot of controversy about him
Speaker 1: singing that he should be able to sing whatever he
Speaker 1: wants to. It's an instrument. It's an instrument, many keys,
Speaker 1: and he's amazing, wanted.
Speaker 5: To be him growing up. I said, how many of
Speaker 5: you is that in that choir? He just said, yes,
Speaker 5: I understand.
Speaker 2: All right, we gotta we're gonna build. We're gonna build
Speaker 2: you a perfect R and B artist. We call it
Speaker 2: the R and B voltron. And you have to pick
Speaker 2: artists where you're going to extract huh uh uh okay,
Speaker 2: the necessities from the materials. We're gonna we're gonna see
Speaker 2: who you're gonna get the vocal from, who you're going
Speaker 2: to get the styling from, who you're going to get
Speaker 2: the performance style from, and who you're going to get.
Speaker 1: The heart of the artists from the passion so good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So let's start with the vocal. If you're building your
Speaker 1: perfect R and B artists, who are you going to
Speaker 1: get the vocal from that one artist? Who the lead singer?
Speaker 2: Man, it ain't gonna be oltists who who they come
Speaker 2: to see? I gotta be honest, give me the vocals from.
Speaker 1: Cals, lot of that of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh Now, if you don't want to find out
Speaker 3: the hardway, hardway, now listen to the song is the record?
Speaker 1: Please? Well know all mom Mamma talked me a long
Speaker 1: time ago, throw their lamb in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, wow, wow, Okay, I can tell a lie.
Speaker 2: Robert Lee vocal, got it, got it? Who are you
Speaker 2: getting the performance style.
Speaker 1: From that performance?
Speaker 5: Give me Maxwell hm hmm yeah, with the new Maxwell,
Speaker 5: with the Meganes, with the Megan Thees Maxwell. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I've seen. Yeah, I said, this has long jevity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want the first tour knees got out
Speaker 1: of here, get that drop down and get your I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not not me lost me there, I respect
Speaker 1: it thought. Okay, who you getting the styling from the
Speaker 1: drip of the artists? The styling from get me on?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: Do that.
Speaker 5: No, the styling from the R and B because we're
Speaker 5: we're an odd bunch with the outfits. Whatever artists you
Speaker 5: want to throw in there, though you're making your perfect
Speaker 5: R and B artist for you, it's yours.
Speaker 1: Who's got the drip? Mmm r n B. No, No,
Speaker 1: that wasn't really doing it for me.
Speaker 5: Back in the news day, Okay, okay, give me those
Speaker 5: threads from Jay Holiday, the flannel with the hoodie in
Speaker 5: the back, the.
Speaker 1: Hoodie that come out of the flannel.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, uh suffocate, suffocate, I do exactly what?
Speaker 1: Come on? Now? You sure you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Your whole artist is gonna happen, Okay.
Speaker 5: Because that's when I'll know that the art is speaking,
Speaker 5: because you're not here for the clothes.
Speaker 1: I need that. Ah Okay, it's kind of a dig
Speaker 1: I'm roland.
Speaker 5: Oh but no, no, no, understand that for that combination,
Speaker 5: it would be viewed in this day and time as lumberjackish.
Speaker 5: But that doesn't mean it's not a style that people want.
Speaker 5: Jack one hundred thw thousand.
Speaker 1: You know we can do this. You know it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking you're gonna say dred the whole time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna say dray. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That definitely came out of left Yep, none of wh
Speaker 2: The passion of you threw this nigga off. He said,
Speaker 2: for the drip, I love, I just didn't know he dripped, Okay,
Speaker 2: Hey said three thousand for the drip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. Passion of the artist, the heart of the artist,
Speaker 1: the heart gotta do Michael God, who wanted more than that?
Speaker 1: What is a nigga going through that? In between?
Speaker 5: And it's understanding and held on to that thing in
Speaker 5: the air that holds you and said, what.
Speaker 1: About the elephants?
Speaker 8: What about the saying?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, that's heard. You care about
Speaker 5: the things that we can't even go see only you've
Speaker 5: seen them elephants. We ain't got that type of money.
Speaker 5: He was trying to put us up on Brazil, looking
Speaker 5: to put us up. I've seen it's sad.
Speaker 8: Where you going?
Speaker 1: What about Derek? What about the mountain to love? It's
Speaker 1: burning love? What about lava?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: What about ants? What about lying and tigers in bears?
Speaker 4: Don't have a chance.
Speaker 1: This is why you can't write songs with him, because
Speaker 1: saying what about lava? He can make anything sound like
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be cool.
Speaker 2: Michael doesn't care about lava. I can care about But
Speaker 2: if you look at java, it's so much of it.
Speaker 2: It swhere, does it go? Does any does it can
Speaker 2: even help the lava? Can someone help us with the LoVa?
Speaker 2: And then and then it and then it dries and dies?
Speaker 2: Help us keep the lava, lava, keep the lava. And
Speaker 2: those of you who are making lava laps, how dare you?
Speaker 2: How dare you extract lava from its place, from its ois?
Speaker 2: From its home, take it from It's must be stopped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be lover belongs with LoVa. None
Speaker 1: in your lamps. M okay, Oh my god, that is
Speaker 1: on his teeth.
Speaker 8: This guy, man, where are you going?
Speaker 1: Where are you going? Is this a little bill theme?
Speaker 1: Is that about the record? You lost it? I think
Speaker 1: I lost it? He throwing all I got it, I
Speaker 1: got I got I got I got it, I got it,
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it. I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 2: I ain't saying no names. Ain't saying no names. Saying
Speaker 2: no name when you were who he was weird? Don't
Speaker 2: say ship. I ain't saying no.
Speaker 5: It's a good show a lot. That's a very important segment. Okay,
Speaker 5: very important to the rest of those seams, tears. There's
Speaker 5: a question to be asked this segment of the show.
Speaker 1: I'm listening.
Speaker 5: God, I ain't saying no names. It's about your travels
Speaker 5: and this ship music industry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The
Speaker 5: story can be funny. Are fucked up? Are funny? And
Speaker 5: fucked up? Could be about your audit when you audited
Speaker 5: label ship. The only rulee to this game and segment.
Speaker 5: You just can't say no names.
Speaker 1: But this right here. I ain't saying no name. Okay, okay, man,
Speaker 1: what all right? Take time? Can you just put me
Speaker 1: in a minor for a seconds? I think musician nigga? Okay,
Speaker 1: we could do that decent story, Max. You know I
Speaker 1: got masked. I just got to figure out to clean
Speaker 1: this up. No, no, we want a dirty story. Dirty.
Speaker 1: We want to tell them dirt, dirt.
Speaker 5: All right, we'll do it. We'll keep it light for
Speaker 5: the first ones. I think of the second one all right, boom.
Speaker 5: It's my first time in l A searching for a
Speaker 5: deal using my contacts that I have, and then I
Speaker 5: land a meeting with a really well known executive and
Speaker 5: his partner and they're like, yo, meet us at the
Speaker 5: top of Soho House.
Speaker 1: You know, can I say names of place? You know?
Speaker 1: I'm niggas be a man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody there see the view all that my first
Speaker 5: time being there. I used to be at the rallies.
Speaker 5: That's where I would do.
Speaker 8: That's what I would do.
Speaker 5: Me a little different, a guy like me. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: sure they don't have the trouble pizza, you understand, I
Speaker 5: get it. Yeah, I just traded my longboard, so it's
Speaker 5: a different stage. So I show up to this meeting
Speaker 5: on time early actually, and at first they were asking
Speaker 5: if I worked there, and I said, these are my
Speaker 5: these are my famous clothes.
Speaker 1: No, I don't work here.
Speaker 5: But they said, sir, you know use your lakers, now
Speaker 5: you understand. And I said, no, no, no, I don't
Speaker 5: work here. I'm not here to park the cars. I'm
Speaker 5: here to get a deal.
Speaker 1: So boom.
Speaker 5: After a lot of you know, ego taming, I make
Speaker 5: my way up to the top of the top of
Speaker 5: so's a beautiful view, nice layer of small and pollution
Speaker 5: just to coat the clouds of l a and a
Speaker 5: little hero and needle right there in the distance, just
Speaker 5: being shared by a couple.
Speaker 1: Love. Wow.
Speaker 5: And So now I'm here with my manager and we're
Speaker 5: just waiting thirty minutes our hour thirty. I've already consumed
Speaker 5: the very expensive appetizers. I said, who's.
Speaker 1: Paying for this?
Speaker 5: Doesn't matter. Then two men, powerful men walk in. I said, oh,
Speaker 5: there's the money walking in my deals here. Let me
Speaker 5: just move my work clothes them see my chain from
Speaker 5: Patrick Henry Mall And so I, oh, yes, the kiosk
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 8: I love.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's gotta fake it till you you understand.
Speaker 5: Well, so I'm I'm trying to talk to I'm like, yo,
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna say go and I do this, and
Speaker 5: I play out his instruments no dah, and I'm just
Speaker 5: like I'm looking out at the sky like this is
Speaker 5: my chance. I'm just telling him who I am and
Speaker 5: why I am the one he should sign. And then
Speaker 5: I looked down and one of them is sleeping, sleep, resting,
Speaker 5: and the other one is.
Speaker 1: Just like, yeah, man, you know it's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got back from London.
Speaker 1: You know how that is. I said, no, I don't
Speaker 1: know how that is. I am broke. What is it? London?
Speaker 1: But I'm not her American boy, well not her American.
Speaker 5: So he was sleeping and I was just like, well,
Speaker 5: wake up, mister West, and uh he woke up and.
Speaker 1: He said yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Can we do
Speaker 1: this over email?
Speaker 5: And I said yes we can, and then he left
Speaker 5: to go to the bathroom. And I had to pay
Speaker 5: for this so on my father's credit card, this meal
Speaker 5: that we all enjoyed.
Speaker 1: He ordered the what is the meal out here?
Speaker 5: The salmon with the here with the potatoes, yes, and
Speaker 5: then those housemaid chips I believe, Yeah, two glasses of wine.
Speaker 5: I think it was nineteen crimes at the time. Shout
Speaker 5: out snoop, good partnership.
Speaker 1: Didn't know.
Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah, that was quite the bill. That took
Speaker 5: a while to pay off. And then when I would
Speaker 5: see him in the future, he would just say he's
Speaker 5: proud of me, and I'd be like, guacamole, but I
Speaker 5: ain't saying no names.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying no names. That's great, appreciate it, man,
Speaker 1: that was really good. Had to clean it up. I
Speaker 1: was like, he needed to take you to dinner, man,
Speaker 1: he needed to take.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 1: Got brother, got to take you to dinner, just one dinner.
Speaker 5: It could be at rallies.
Speaker 1: I'd still show up. If anybody asked, you can we
Speaker 1: do this over email? You say no, we cannot.
Speaker 3: Ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough. We're gonna do this now, we ain't
Speaker 1: gonna do it. It's good.
Speaker 2: That's a great story though. That's amazing, and it's it's real.
Speaker 2: It's man, it's it's how this ship goes.
Speaker 1: You guys don't have to be the guacamole guy. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be to guacamolea. I have to be
Speaker 1: the guacamolea guy. You might be with me and I
Speaker 1: might push the guacamole in your fucking face.
Speaker 5: Talk to talk, Come on, man, talk to talk. Ship,
Speaker 5: Wake the funk up, right, Come on, guys. We don't
Speaker 5: have to be those guys. Man, don't have to don't
Speaker 5: have to be those guys. Man, you either like it
Speaker 5: or you don't like it. Tell someone you don't like it.
Speaker 5: It's it's okay, and move on. We don't have to
Speaker 5: be disrespectful, brother, migo. That story is great, great story
Speaker 5: top to bottom. And you you're you're still in the
Speaker 5: beginning stages of writing some really cool ship. Man, writing
Speaker 5: a really cool story for yourself. It's impressive.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: We support you.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Suspicious that you haven't been here sooner, but that is suspicious.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna take your head.
Speaker 5: A different product.
Speaker 1: Ain't no product. Baby, You're gonna see a lot of.
Speaker 8: A lot of in Brazil.
Speaker 3: Hello, this is.
Speaker 1: He speaks Spanish.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: On the shoulders.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 2: Okay, uh you you're killing them. Man, you gonna keep you.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, amazing things for you. Hopefully you know, we'll
Speaker 2: get to be able to do some cool work with you.
Speaker 2: Man sitting in the room and just I.
Speaker 1: Don't know how let the same background man ship have
Speaker 1: fun that. You know.
Speaker 2: You don't want that. You don't want that because it's
Speaker 2: get different. This is illegal in eight countries.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 2: They don't even let me burn this. Motherfucking sir. It's
Speaker 2: stan Bull. Can't go right, just trying to let you know.
Speaker 2: But thank you, brother. I really got to say that, man,
Speaker 2: because you know, it's a it's a shortage of of
Speaker 2: of truly talented people that are standing on it, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. The compromise is real. Ultimately, people
Speaker 2: want to make money, they want to live, they want
Speaker 2: to be in in the know in the now, and
Speaker 2: it's a long road to be talented in today's time.
Speaker 2: And you are doing it with style and grace, my brother,
Speaker 2: and you've been very successful. So you salute you for
Speaker 2: the thanks, appreciate you for it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Lit. My name is Tank Valentine.
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