1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Third hour of clay and buckets going right now, everybody, 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: the ruckus on the House floor continues, who will be 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: the next speaker? We have somebody who can give some 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: special insight to this because he is right there right 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: now in Congress and about to vote, but he's joining 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: us for a couple of moments here to tell us 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: what's going on. Congressman Dan Bishop is with us right now. 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: Congressman Bishop, appreciate you being with us. Sir, Hello, glad 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: to be with you. I just missed my name. Does 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: it pass? But I'll go up and vote at the end, 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: which you can do so, but I'm glad to have 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: a chance to speak with you all. Well, really appreciate 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: you making the time as this vote is under way 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: and you're going to be casting your vote. And if 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: let's just start with the most pressent question, how are 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: you going to vote on this eighth ballot? And why 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: Congressman the suspense must be killing everybody. I'm a vote 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: for Byron Donalds of Florida. And the answer is because 19 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: the institution of the United States, how this needs to 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: be changed. It needs to be put to work for 21 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: the American people, not for DC. We cannot continue Nancy 22 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: Pelosi style governance here in the House. So how does 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: this play out? So we're on I believe the eighth 24 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: vote right now, If you are still going to vote 25 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: for Byron Donalds, that would suggest that the twenty or 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: so of which you are a member who will not 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: support will not support the current uh, you know, the 28 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: expected speaker here. How does this end? Like? Where where 29 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: do we go from here? How do you see this 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: playing out? It is you know, from sampling the media 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: interviews and inquiries I've had, that's the question seems to 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: be on everybody's mind, and I understand that it is. 33 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: And the answer is that I don't precisely know, but 34 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: that is the beauty of the process we're engaged in. 35 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: And a lot of people will wring their hands or 36 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: you see on some places out on me it's this chaos. 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: It is not chaos. This is how Congress operates. And 38 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: so we've had three days that the nation will certainly 39 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: endure in which we've been and there's there's a there's 40 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: a you know, there's something on there's a spectacle on 41 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: TV about the votes that American people are the customer seeing, 42 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of work that's going on in 43 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: the background and has been for months to do what 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: I said at the top, which is to change this 45 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: place and make it work, because at least to Micromans, 46 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't know that many people I've not encountered that 47 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: man who say, you know what, Congress works exactly as 48 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: it should. It's basically solving the American people's problems and 49 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: keeping things working well. I don't think anybody thinks that 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: about speaking percent of people think otherwise. Or speaking of 51 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: Congressman Bishop, he's on the floor right now, or I 52 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: should say, in Congress right now, up on Capitol Hill, 53 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm about to be casting his vote on the floor. 54 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: He will be casting it for Speaker the House, for 55 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: Byron Donald's, not for Kevin McCarthy, who we've established that 56 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: Congressman Bishop of course of North Carolina. For everybody out there, 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: what is it that what is it that would be different? 58 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: Let's say, let's just say for the purpose of discussion 59 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: that Congressman Donald's is successful eventually, and who knows, could 60 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: be on the fiftieth ballot given how things are going, 61 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: if that were to happen, how would Congress be different 62 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: than a Kevin McCarthy Speakership. Here's the clearest way that 63 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: I could even say it. Two weeks ago, we passed 64 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: RAM through the House after coming out of the Senate 65 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: with eighteen Republican votes. A one point seven trillion dollars 66 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: omnibus put together by a handful of people in the dark, 67 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: in the back rooms, that has all sorts of horrible 68 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: stuff in it. I've detailed it in a long Twitter 69 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: thread that went viral some of it what you can 70 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: forty eight hundred pages. They put it out two days 71 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: before you pass it, right before Christmas. Ram it through 72 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: where else the government's going to shut down. That would stop, 73 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: and we're working on stop of that, regardless who the 74 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: speaker would becaused by changing rules and processes, but those 75 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: can always be waived by a majority vote on the House. 76 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: Four and so what you really need. The best way 77 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: to guarantee change is to have a person who will 78 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: lead you to change. But if you can't get that, 79 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: then you've got to do the best you can to 80 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: build processes that and build pressure so that you follow 81 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: through and do the right things. It is a tough 82 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: call that it's really important that its succeed. So you're 83 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: voting for Byron Donalds. You said, although you haven't got 84 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: to cast that vote yet on the eighth eighth ballot 85 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: here as they search for a speaker. But yesterday I 86 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: believe it was Corey Bush, Democrat from Missouri, attacked him 87 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: based on his race. I mean it was basically latently 88 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: racist for being up as potentially a speaker candidate. I 89 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: believe you spoke on the floor earlier to address that issue. 90 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: What did you say and what did you think of 91 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: what Corey Bush said about Byron Donald's, the man who 92 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: you intend to vote for a Speaker of the House. 93 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: I put it out there in my speech nominating him 94 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: on the first ballot of the day. And what she 95 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: said about him in a tweet she called him a 96 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: prop And you need to note Byron Donald's to know 97 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: how assert it is. He's not a prop. And this 98 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: is and the reason I spoke of it today, and 99 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: of one other instant that has occurred is other illustrations 100 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: of the Washington DC that people are completely familiar with. 101 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: They've seen it for years and years. That grotesquely racist 102 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: trope is used constantly by the left here. It's got 103 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: to stop. We've got to quit doing things exactly the 104 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: same way, in the same order and expect different results. 105 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: And I just think it's reprehensible and calling it out 106 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: just like doing this is the kind of thing that 107 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: men and women have courage are going to need to 108 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: come here and do. And I gotta tell you, if 109 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: you don't have courage here, it's never going to change. 110 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: Congressman Bishop, can I ask there's some reporting from earlier 111 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: today that McCarthy had agreed to a number of specific 112 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: asks from members of the Freedom Caucus who had been 113 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: voting against him and voting for another candidate, a whole 114 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: range of things, to vote on term limits, whether somebody 115 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: could vote for effectively, what is it a no confidence 116 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: vote to remove the speaker? Is there a future you 117 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: could see in which, if certain assurances are given and 118 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: promises are made, you could see Kevin McCarthy win despite 119 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: the opposition against him, because there would have been concessions 120 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: made that would deal with some of the concerns of 121 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: the Freedom Caucus. Or is it no way, no how 122 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: you and other members to your knowledge, are going to 123 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: actually vote for McCarthy when this is all said and done. 124 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: You know, I think the important thing is that there 125 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: are a number of risks to be managed. There are. 126 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: You've got to solve the problem of fixing the place 127 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: for the American people. Beyond that, I don't have preconditions. 128 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: It just has to get fixed. So I wouldn't say 129 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I wouldn't say I'm not because I think 130 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: we've got to preserve the possibility to do something that's 131 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: neat representa Dan Bishop talking with us, you mentioned all 132 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: the work you did and your staff did, and I 133 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: appreciate you for the work you did on the omnibus 134 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: bill and what you put out there, even though ridiculously 135 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: eighteen Republicans in the Senate went along with that bill. 136 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: And we talked about your work and your staff's work 137 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: on this show, as in a lead up to that 138 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: one seven one point seven trillion, you're seeing a lot 139 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: of people voted for right now. Do you believe that 140 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: whoever the speaker is should be a currently serving member 141 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 1: of the House, because I saw where Matt Gates, for instance, 142 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: put Donald Trump forward as the Speaker of the House nominee. 143 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: Do you believe that it should be somebody who is 144 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: currently that will get the job done? And so and 145 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: I hate to do this, but I'm about to miss 146 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: my opportunity. No, no, sir, you got to go vote. 147 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: Do you understand. Congress and Dan Bishop, thank you so much, 148 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: sir for speaking to our audience across the country about 149 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,359 Speaker 1: this pivotal issue. Go to your constitutional duty, sir. Appreciate 150 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: you joining us here on the program, and thank you 151 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: very much. You know, Clay, look round eight. It's not 152 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: gonna be over, It's not gonna be finished here. It 153 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: could go on. But you know, everything that he was saying, 154 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. I think that there are 155 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: a lot of folks out there for whom it's just 156 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: they want they want change, and they want there to 157 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: be honestly more accountability, even on the Republican side. Yeah, 158 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: and maybe they're not even sure exactly how we get 159 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: to every step of that, or rather what every step 160 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: of that will look like right now. But essentially this is, 161 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, some folks on the right are mad as heck, 162 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: and they're not gonna take it anymore. They've had enough. 163 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: Here's the essential question, and so far today we've seen it. 164 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 1: The twenty are not buckling, and the two hundred or 165 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: so that support McCarthy are not buckling either. We're now 166 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: into the eighth vote, where essentially we have established that 167 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: there are twenty who are not moving and there are 168 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: about two hundred that are not moving. Who moves first, right, 169 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the essence of this. If the twenty 170 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: are not going to move, then McCarthy can't get to 171 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: two eighteen. But if the two hundred stay committed to McCarthy, 172 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: then the twenty aren't gaining so poured either. So how 173 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: long does this go on? Is the question I think, 174 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: and the most significant I would say aspect of today's 175 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: votes is none of the twenty have come off of 176 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: their opposition to Kevin McCarthy so far. And gridlock is 177 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: not something that people should be afraid of when it 178 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 1: comes to federal government. Gridlock is your friend usually the gridlock, 179 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: you know, the Democrats. First of all, it is worth 180 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: pointing out there, Oh it's chaos. It's not chaos. Everything's fine. 181 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: No one is h you know, we're not losing our 182 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: ability to feed ourselves as a country. The economy is 183 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: not cratering because of this. This is just something that 184 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: is occurring right now in the Congress, and it'll all 185 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: be fine. You know, there's there's no reason for this. 186 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: The people that want to exaggerate the downside of it. 187 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: I think want business as usual and they want the 188 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: system to just keep churning out massive omnibus bills and 189 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: spend trillions of dollars of money that we don't have. 190 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: And that's just not acceptable anymore. I'll be honest with you, Buck, 191 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm not actually Tomorrow is the second anniversary of January sixth, right, 192 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: and we all know that Democrats have tried to turn 193 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: January sixth, then to Pearl Harbor into nine to eleven, 194 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: into the Civil War. I don't know that it's a 195 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: bad thing for all of the attention to be on 196 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,359 Speaker 1: the speaker vote going on as opposed to the anniversary 197 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: celebration of January sixth, which the Biden administration would love 198 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: to marinate in, because there are a lot of people 199 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: out there who still believe in their base that January 200 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: sixth is the worst thing to happen to America since 201 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: the Civil War. I mean, they've tried to convince people 202 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: of that, and there are some in their base who 203 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: believe it. So I don't know that I think it 204 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: is a bad situation at this point for this too, 205 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: for this to continue for another day and certainly, it 206 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like we're any closer to getting a speaker 207 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: officially announced today. A lot of politics is argument. A 208 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: lot of politics is people making the case. And what's 209 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: happening right now is people are arguing and they're making 210 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: their cases. And this is all within this system. To 211 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: your point of clay about you know, how they're gonna 212 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: make up such a big deal out of January sixth, 213 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: None of this is breaking the rules. None of what 214 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: is happening here is outside the scope of what members 215 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: of Congress are doing. This is what I mean by 216 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: you know, some folks need to just calm down. It's 217 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: gonna be fine. We're gonna figure this out. And I think, look, 218 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: he left it open there. I think that the way 219 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: this who knows, but the way this ends up is 220 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: that you have the freedom caucus members get some real, 221 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, a real list of concessions that they think 222 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: will create accountability with McCarthy and at that face. But 223 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: I could be wrong. Maybe Byron Donalds ends up being 224 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: the guy and they pull this off. I don't know. 225 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: It is funny to me. And I'll just come back 226 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: to this, which we said earlier that all of the 227 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: people out there who are arguing Republicans really need to 228 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: have a fight internally to figure out what the future 229 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: of their party's going to be. Right, That's how all 230 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: the left wingers and all the anti Trumpers and everybody 231 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: else would lecture us constantly another one without their fighting. Yeah, 232 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: and then it happens and they're like, oh, look how 233 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: disorganized they are. They don't agree on everything. Remember for 234 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: how long have you heard, Oh, there's no spine in 235 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. Whatever Donald Trump tells them to do, 236 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: they do. And Trump said, hey, I want McCarthy, and 237 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: all these Republicans said, yeah, we're not going to do it. 238 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: And now it's oh, look at the disloyalty, Look at 239 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: the lack of ability to come to a conclusion. Now, 240 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: this is sometimes how democracy works. It's messages the game. 241 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: You know, we don't need everybody in Congress on our 242 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: own side being so chummy all the time. You know, 243 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: maybe sometimes even in a pickup basketball game, you gotta 244 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: throw some elbows. I think what happened really is that 245 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: McCarthy thought that these twenty would not stick to it, 246 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: and he said, we're gonna put them on the record. 247 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: Then we'll see if they do it, and they did it, 248 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: and so far nothing has moved, and we'll see what 249 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: happens going forward. 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He's gonna be with us here in a sect, 274 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: but wanted to remind you Joe Biden talked earlier about 275 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: the border and Buck. Every time we hear, whether it's 276 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: Karan Jean Pierre, whether it's Kamala Harris, whether it's Joe Biden, 277 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: not only do they have no real plan for the border, 278 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: they get things diametrically wrong. Here's Joe Biden saying, it's 279 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: not like people are sitting around a table deciding to 280 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: come to America. Just listen to this, because I think 281 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: this is exactly what most people who are deciding to 282 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: come to America are debating in their homes. Listen. It's 283 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: not like people who heard me said before. It's not 284 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: like people are sitting around a table and somewhere in 285 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: Central America. Say I got a great idea. Let's sell 286 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: everything we have. Let's give it to a kyolote, a smuggler. 287 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: They'll take us on a hiring journey for those thousands 288 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: of miles to get to the United States. Then we're 289 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: gonna legally cross the border. They're gonna drop us in 290 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: a desert, and we're faceboo, we don't speak The line's 291 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: won't that be fun? That is one hundred percent what 292 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: has happened millions of times over. Yes, they along those 293 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: lines that they're not necessarily saying, hey, it's gonna be fun, 294 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: But that is the exact method by which they reach 295 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: the decision to go to the border. That's exactly what 296 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: they do. That's exactly what happens. He's just one hundred 297 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: percent wrong on everything in the border, including the motivations 298 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: for the people and how they decide to go to 299 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: the border. Clay, anyone in border patrol will tell you 300 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: that a lot of the migrants show up. Some of 301 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: them actually have had a little script printed out for 302 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: what they're supposed to say during the incredible fear interview. 303 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: They are scamming the asylum process. There are people who 304 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: are trying to get asylum war torn countries who if 305 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: they don't get asylum, are probably gonna be tortured and murdered. 306 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: They're going through the actual asylum process or refugee application 307 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: process through our laws. 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Sean, thanks so 345 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: much for being with us. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Thanks. 346 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: First off, I wanted to have you. I wanted to 347 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: have you react to this. You know, Biden gave this 348 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: speech earlier today about immigration, and while we were talking 349 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: a lot about asylum and the app that apparently now 350 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: all the illegal immigrants are going to use to try 351 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: to whatever point is, there's a lot of other pieces 352 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: to this as well, including the cartels and the fentyyl 353 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: and how the lawless border allows for all this to happen. 354 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: Here's what Biden said about about fentyl, specifically played twenty three. 355 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: For example, since August of last year, Custom and Border 356 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: Patrol has sees more than twenty thousand pounds of deadly fentyl. 357 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: That's enough to kill kill as many as a thousand 358 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: people in this country. Twenty thousand pounds of it's a killer. 359 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: I mean, twenty thousand pounds of fentanyl could kill I 360 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: would just guess more like hundreds of thousands, or maybe 361 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: even a few million people. But nonetheless, Biden doesn't seem 362 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: to want to do anything Sean about the cartels. What 363 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: do you think could be done? How do we secure 364 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: the border when it comes to this threat. I mean, 365 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: I think number one would be taking the reins off 366 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: our border patrol agents. Number two would be putting a 367 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: wall or some type of a structure up. I mean 368 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people say that's not going to stop anything, 369 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: to include a lot of the cartel type experts who 370 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: are talking about how they're getting these things in. But 371 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: I mean, just looking at the way, I mean, walls 372 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: do stop things. It's at least going to slow the 373 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: traffic down. You know John, when you yeah, it's always 374 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: fascinating people say walls don't work, and then you find 375 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: out that they live in a gated community. It's like, well, 376 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 1: you know, it does explain. I'd love to hear the 377 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: next follow up when somebody says walls don't work and 378 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: then you have the over the top follow up, well 379 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: why do you live in a gated community? Then what 380 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: Trump has come out with his own plan, and it 381 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: basically would involve declaring the cartels a national security threat 382 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: to America, which would allow us to basically treat them. 383 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: My understanding is, like terrorists, is that an irrational act, 384 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: a rational act. What could we do if we really 385 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: wanted to decide, Hey, these cartels are public enemy number one. 386 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you have to be able to send them 387 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: a very stern message. And with the way our border 388 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: patrol guys, their hands are tied behind their back, you know, 389 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: and they're scrutinized by the media. They've they've completely demoralized 390 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: that entire agency, you know, and so they have to 391 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: let these guys do their job in order to have 392 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: any effect on this at all, you know. And you know, 393 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: but what bothers me the most is, well maybe not 394 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: the most, but where all this is coming from. It's 395 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: not just the cartels. The Chinese are enabling the cartels 396 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: with all the sentanyl. That's who's training these guys to 397 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: make the world's deadliest sentinel. And they're already starting to transit. 398 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: They made the transition from heroin to fentanyl. Now they're 399 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: going to make another transition from fentanyl to this next thing, 400 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: which I don't think they've named it yet, but it's 401 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: already coming through the border. Do you think, Sean at 402 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: this one, given how much money the cartels are making. 403 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: We're speaking to Sean Ryan of the Sean Ryan Show, 404 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: everybody former Navy Seal Sean. Given how powerful the cartels are, 405 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: we know that they're able to pay effectively mercenaries off 406 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: the global market to work for them, to even train 407 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: some of their cicarios. What do you think it looks 408 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: like if we decided to get much more involved in 409 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: the narco war in Mexico, assuming the Mexican government would 410 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: even allow that, do you think that we could make 411 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: a real dent there? And if the Mexican government said, 412 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: you know what, fine, we'll allow you know, we'll allow 413 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: our special operations to train even more extensively. I know 414 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: there's trending that goes on already, but much more extensively 415 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: and even engage in joint missions on a regular basis. 416 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: Do you think that could degrade the cartels in a 417 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: significant fashion. Absolutely? It would. You know. The thing that 418 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: people don't realize about these cartels is they're very militaristic. 419 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: It's not if they could go back to you know, 420 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: say when we were fighting Taliban al Qaeda. You know, 421 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: they blend in with civilian population. These cartels are trained militaries. 422 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: They're pulling people off the street, they're handing them an 423 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: AK in a uniform, and they have their own turf 424 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: wars going on inside Mexico, which is an all out 425 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: it's an all out battlefront, you know, and so if 426 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: we interdict some of those areas, that's going to disrupt 427 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: a lot of the activity. Sean, you're a navyco You're 428 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: a badass. You know a lot of badasses as well. 429 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: When you see how woke our military has become. What 430 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: kind of conversations do you have with your fellow past 431 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: and current Navy seals and how much frustration is there 432 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: with military leadership in general in your experience, I would 433 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: say on a level of one to ten, it's a 434 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: level ten the conversations I have with the guys that 435 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: I served with that are both out and wrapping up 436 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: their careers. Most of the guys that I was in 437 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: with are wrapping up their twenty year careers by this point. 438 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: And you know, once again, they've demoralized the entire military. 439 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: Nobody wants to go into special operations. The guys that 440 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: are in there, nobody wants to stay in special operations. 441 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: Everybody wants out because of the woke agenda that's coming 442 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: into to all of the teams. How could you solve it. 443 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: So we get that question all the time, like how 444 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: frustrated so many people in the military are with the 445 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: culture that currently exists. Let's say that you got to 446 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: be in charge, you and your buddies at the Navy 447 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: Seals and you could go back in and de woke 448 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: ify the military. How would you do it? What would 449 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: need to occur? You know, I mean I try to 450 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: look at both sides of the fence here, and if 451 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: they do need to more diversification in the military, then okay, 452 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: so be it. What I would do is go at 453 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: to combat effective units and say does this help with 454 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: the mission? Is it going to help to bring this 455 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: wokeness into the Seal teams, into the Green Beret teams, 456 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: into the jay Stock teams. No, it's not. It's going 457 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: to create frustration, it's going to create anxiety. It's going 458 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: to break up the team dynamic. I mean, what people 459 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: don't understand about special operations is the team that you're 460 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: with you know them better than your family. You spend 461 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: a good three hundred days a year with the gents 462 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: on your team and fifty days a year with your family. 463 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: And so when you inject something that's that's out of 464 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: the norm that puts guys in an uncomfortable situation that 465 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: completely destroys the team dynamic. And that team dynamic is 466 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: that's what drives everything. It's the trust that the team 467 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: has with each other and that's why they're able to 468 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: carry out these, i mean, next to impossible missions. Sean 469 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: Ryan's show Everybody is really strong stuff. I mean he 470 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: does sit downs, long form with warriors, Navy Seals, Green Beret. 471 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: He did a long form clay with Eric Prince that 472 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: was fascinating. He's done some great stuff over there, so 473 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: I'd recommend people check it out. Sean. Thank you for 474 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 1: your service and thanks for joining us here. We'll talk 475 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: to you again soon. Thank you, Buck. 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Welcome back in final segment 506 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you out 507 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: there if you're just getting in your car, just hanging 508 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: out with us. Tons of news stories that have been 509 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: breaking throughout the course of today's show. Eight different votes 510 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: now for the House Speakership. No clarity yet, so that 511 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: has continued. We've got good news on Damar Hamlin, the 512 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: NFL football player for the Buffalo Bills who collapsed during 513 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: the course of today's program. They had an official press 514 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: conference and now that he was showing great signs, appeared 515 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: to have no cognitive impairment. In fact, while communicating via 516 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: written messages, one of the first things he asked when 517 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: he was able to ask questions was who won the game? 518 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: And details that have come out on the accused killer 519 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: in Idaho of four different University of Idaho students, and 520 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: they are incredibly chilling. We have discussed all of that 521 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: as breaking news. Plus, Joe Biden addressed the status of 522 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: the border and we've played a few cuts of Biden 523 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: being tone deaf on the Border. He is scheduled. I 524 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: believe Buck to go to the Border on Sunday. As always, 525 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: we'd encourage you to go subscribe to the podcast. You 526 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: can search out my name on iTunes, Clay Travis, you 527 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,719 Speaker 1: can search out Buck Sexton Boom. You'll be well on 528 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: your way to being able to hear the show anywhere 529 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: in the world at your convenience. All those stories breaking, 530 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: and Buck, I gotta be honest with you. I think 531 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: maybe the most staggering of everything that's and going on 532 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: is I can't get over the revelation that we got 533 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: of one of the girls that was left alive in 534 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: that Idaho house, having come, according to the affid David, 535 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: face to face with the killer at four seventeen am 536 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: in the morning that night. It's something that is going 537 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: to have to be explained as we go through that case. 538 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: But also the cell phone of the alleged killer was 539 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: there the next morning at nine ten, nine twelve am 540 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: something like that. That's what I just I just saw. 541 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: I hadn't even seen that. So he drove back by 542 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: near the scene of the crime the day after or 543 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: the like few hours after he had committed the murder, 544 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: because now that's I mean, look, you're you're dealing with 545 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: You're dealing with pure evil here. So it's it's just 546 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: when you say things like it's unfathomable or unbelievable, well, yes, 547 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: to a to a normal moral person with even any 548 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: any basic sumonce of morality or decency, these things are unthinkable. 549 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: So you just have to then look at the facts 550 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 1: as they are. And it seems right now that he 551 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: returned that his cell phone was in the area in 552 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: the vicinity. How close we'd have to get more specifics 553 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: at about nine to twelve am the next morning, so 554 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: that before police had been called. Still to put that 555 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: into context for everybody out there, because the police were 556 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: not called till just before noon, I believe on the day, 557 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, that near lunchtime on the morning of that murder, 558 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: because it appears based on the timeline, that the murder 559 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: occurred sometime in the four am hour, and I would 560 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: not be surprised honestly. Back remember, the conversation was that 561 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: they were worried about whether the killer might show up 562 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: for the memorial service, because there is this desire to 563 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: be smarter than everyone else. And I can't stop thinking 564 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: about the conversations that might have occurred on the Washington 565 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: State campus when you're studying criminology, and that's what he 566 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: was attempting to get a PhD in. As you pointed 567 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: out earlier, Buck, he had put in an application to 568 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: be an intern with the Pullman, Washington Police Department, which 569 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: is where Washington State is, just about ten miles or 570 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: so from the University of Idaho. I mean, it feels 571 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: on some level like not only was this guy a psychopath, 572 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: but that he might have been training to try to 573 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: get away with as many violent, predatory behaviors as he 574 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: could have. Just want to give this attribution. This is 575 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: from Brian Enton of News Nation, That News. He's done 576 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 1: a great job covering this case in general news channel. 577 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: He said Coburger's cell phone was tracked back to the 578 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: house after the murders between nine twelve and nine twenty 579 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: one am. The phone was near the house again on 580 00:32:53,160 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: November thirteenth. This, you know, likely or alleged quadruple murderer 581 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: might have gone back to the place where he did 582 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: this heinous crime before police were even able to get there. 583 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: You wonder if he might have gone back to pick 584 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: up something. Maybe he left behind some piece of evidence, 585 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: and he was driving back by to see if police 586 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: had been called yet saw that they had not. I mean, 587 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: this is me just hypothesizing. If he left in a 588 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: hurry and he was panicked, he may have well wondered, hey, 589 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: I haven't heard about the police being called or anything. 590 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: It wouldn't stop me buck if he had a scanner 591 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: in his house to try to keep tabs on whether 592 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: police have been called. You know, I'm somebody who in general, 593 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: I feel like i'm you know, the death penalty issue 594 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: as a general matter. I'm open to arguments forward against 595 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: the death penalty as a general matter. And then something 596 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: like this happens, and assuming that this individual is found 597 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury, which I 598 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: think is well, we'll see what ends up happening here. 599 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: Assuming that happens, though, this is one of those cases 600 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: where you just say, no, this is the death penalty 601 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: is actually the only penalty that could possibly even begin 602 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: to get near some measure of justice. I don't know. 603 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's maybe that's just an emotional response to this, 604 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: But to me, if I'm if I'm the you know, 605 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: the district attorney, the Idaho States Attorney, whatever the designation 606 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: may be. H no deal. This this ends with a 607 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: needle in the arm. As far as I'm concerned, I 608 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: don't see what right around it. From my perspective having 609 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: done criminal cases, my apprehension with the death penalty is 610 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: based on certitude. And some cases people get the death 611 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: penalty and I frankly they haven't done it right. We've seen. 612 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: That's why I'm persuadable, is because you want to avoid 613 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: those cases, obviously, But I mean, given what we're seeing here, 614 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: it's a clear cut case of predatory, psychopathic behavior. It's 615 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: very hard to defend this guy deserving to live for 616 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: the next sixty years on taxpayer doll inside of an 617 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: inside of a prison sent Yeah, I mean he's going 618 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: he's somebody who would go to a supermax facility and 619 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: rightly so, or you know, a maximum security facility. Um, 620 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, it's it's then really rough. I 621 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 1: remember when we were taking calls of people of Moscow, 622 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: Idaho were rightly terrified. You don't imagine you have somebody, 623 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: you have this individual in your community. Uh. Now we 624 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: know that he ended up driving across country, but you 625 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: can't know that at the time. You can't know if 626 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna strike again. And he didn't drive across a 627 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: cross country for six weeks, right or whatever it was? 628 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: So uh, I always think about it now in the 629 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: concept of being a parent, Buck, can you imagine if 630 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: you had a kid at the University of Idaho, I 631 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't have wanted my son or daughter back on campus. 632 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,479 Speaker 1: I really I really need to know. I mean, bringing 633 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: this full circle and just I'm gonna say, I think 634 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: we all really need to know why the roommate didn't 635 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: call the police. You can't can't stop thinking about it. 636 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: I need to know that, right. I mean, that's this 637 00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: is gonna bother This is gonna bother me today. And 638 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: I know ending on kind of a you know, it's 639 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: a tougher today, but that's what I told you Black. 640 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: I've been on a text thread with friends who've been 641 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: obsessed with this University of Idaho case. And I know 642 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people out there listening to us have 643 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: right now, maybe we're gonna get more evidence. A lot 644 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 1: of us, a lot of us, you know, fortunately don't 645 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: have much personal experience of being near true evil. And 646 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: when you even read about and know the details of 647 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: a story like this in an otherwise you know, quiet 648 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: safe community, evil visited Moscow, Idaho that night, and I 649 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: think it really grips people. I think it's there was 650 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: something demonic. I don't think there's any doubt at all 651 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: about it. And it's even scarier when this guy is 652 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: a PhD student. He's not totally incompetent, right, he is 653 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: evil and maybe fairly intelligent, which is a really scary combination. 654 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,479 Speaker 1: And I think that's what grips so many people about 655 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: this case. Fleet Travis, and Buck Sexton on the front 656 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: lines of truth m