Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories. Dune Done.
Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up An SVU podcasts.
Speaker 2: I'm Kara Klank and I'm Lisa and we talk sview
Speaker 2: true crime and sometimes we have guests. Today we don't,
Speaker 2: which means more chit chat. And that's exciting, more chit
Speaker 2: chat for you. Listen, when I meet the listeners out
Speaker 2: in the streets, they say, we want more chit chat,
Speaker 2: and they tell me to burn Casey's flag. That's the
Speaker 2: word on the street.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of meeting listeners out in the street, come
Speaker 1: meet us out in the streets of Denver and Phoenix
Speaker 1: this week. Guys, we're gonna be in Denver tomorrow on
Speaker 1: the sixteenth. We're gonna be at Comedy Works South. If
Speaker 1: you come to see us in Denver before, that's the
Speaker 1: different comedy works, So don't go to the old place.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's gonna happen, and how often it happens,
Speaker 2: I know, but.
Speaker 3: Come see us. We love coming to Denver. Phoenix.
Speaker 1: We've always come to Tempe. Here, we are coming to Phoenix.
Speaker 1: Come see us on the seventeenth, and then yeah, this weekend,
Speaker 1: we'll be in San Diego on Sunday and then next
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a brand new show. You're gonna see
Speaker 1: a new Episode's gonna be great.
Speaker 3: We have merch. The merch has arrived. I'm excited. Well
Speaker 3: some of it.
Speaker 1: One piece is still missing, but we'll have it when
Speaker 1: we get there. And it's tour only merch babies. We're
Speaker 1: excited to see you guys and do live shows again.
Speaker 1: So come see us. Yeah, and that's that. The power
Speaker 1: points aren't popping. Yes, baby, new games.
Speaker 3: I met someone from an SVU episode yesterday.
Speaker 1: I met someone from an SVU episode on Sunday and
Speaker 1: I did say something and he kind of he put
Speaker 1: his hand up in like what is this a little
Speaker 1: growl and went like that.
Speaker 2: But it was Henry Winkler. I met Henry Winkler last night,
Speaker 2: so that was a thrill.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, did you mention his SVU episode? Yes,
Speaker 3: we want him on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I did not do that hours I was
Speaker 2: in a group, So okay, I I have a really
Speaker 2: really small part blink you'll miss it in Good Rich
Speaker 2: with Michael Keat and Milakunis. So I went to the
Speaker 2: premiere last night and it was fun. I got disrespected,
Speaker 2: like anytime I go to a premiere where I only
Speaker 2: have one line. So I'll get into that. I was
Speaker 2: asked to move and get almost kicked out and if
Speaker 2: I'm in the right place four times, four times what
Speaker 2: So I'll get into that.
Speaker 3: But I'm standing outside with the director.
Speaker 2: Hallie's like best friend from college, and my friend Jared
Speaker 2: Goldstein and Henry Winkler go to the I think they're
Speaker 2: family friends. The director's mom is Nancy Meyers. She was
Speaker 2: there as well. I saw her, but I did not,
Speaker 2: So Henry was just saying hi to.
Speaker 3: Her friend said.
Speaker 2: Hi to and then reached out to introduce himself, and
Speaker 2: so I said Hi, I'm Lisa, and then we just
Speaker 2: stood there and I go, I'm a big SVU girl.
Speaker 3: Yours is iconic. And then he went and he liked it.
Speaker 2: He said that it was nice, but you know, I
Speaker 2: went to sleep, so BoJack Horseman last night, and it
Speaker 2: was his episode where he's at a funeral and someone
Speaker 2: starts talking about Lonod to rescue to him. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: because I wanted to say I love your bo Jack,
Speaker 2: but then I thought that would be like too obscure
Speaker 2: and weird. But an icon it was exciting. Yeah, just
Speaker 2: a loose Henry Winkler. Yeah, that's amazing, that's amazing. I
Speaker 2: met Poppy loo Oo. Well, well we want to get her.
Speaker 2: I think she said no, though.
Speaker 1: She did well, she said no, but I didn't bring
Speaker 1: it up. But we also already did her episode. It
Speaker 1: was Dearly Beloved, where she plays a woman with a
Speaker 1: Jewish last name, and I should have brought it up,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't. I could remember what episode she was in,
Speaker 1: like while we were chatting. But we talked for a
Speaker 1: while and she's very sweet and has new stuff coming
Speaker 1: out too. She's in some new show for Netflix called
Speaker 1: like His and Hers or something, and she says it's dark,
Speaker 1: so I'm excited to see what that is.
Speaker 2: I like popular. I mean, I'm a Hacks girl, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I love I told her. I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: love you in Hacks.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we both saw some peeps out and about
Speaker 3: did you.
Speaker 2: See the Vulture article that is Joel Kim Booster wrote
Speaker 2: about not getting veneers and keeping your original teeth when
Speaker 2: you get famous. No, yeah, it's it's pretty good. I
Speaker 2: guess it was like teeth week because I'm watch What
Speaker 2: Happens Live. They did Charlie Booth, is this your tooth?
Speaker 2: And he had to guess if that was his tooth
Speaker 2: or not? And then there is something to chew on.
Speaker 2: It's tooth Day, My favorite teeth, Jim Carrey's the World
Speaker 2: It's Greatest teeth actor, the case of Jack Nicholson's baby teeth,
Speaker 2: like every like, there's just all this.
Speaker 3: I saw stuff.
Speaker 1: And I also saw The Cut did an article like
Speaker 1: a week or so ago about yeah, like veneers and
Speaker 1: how some people regret them because I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I'm I'm just with it. I think Kirsten
Speaker 2: Dunst has kept her teeth and Joel's keeping them, and
Speaker 2: I guess he gets shit on but he's not doing it.
Speaker 2: And then they talk to people that are like, don't
Speaker 2: fucking do it? Yeah, well you have to get them
Speaker 2: redone and you don't have real teeth anymore. Like I know,
Speaker 2: they're like little weird spikes. God forbid, I mean my parent.
Speaker 2: It's just like if you don't need medical intervention, you
Speaker 2: don't need it. And because it's also like maybe veneers
Speaker 2: will be better or some people have good ones. I'm
Speaker 2: sure Taylor has great veneers or whatever she's up to.
Speaker 2: But like most people, it's like, oh, I guess your
Speaker 2: teeth aren' thought white or they're shaped weird or do
Speaker 2: you have chicklets in your mind? You know, it's not
Speaker 2: like we can't tell. It's like we know what it is,
Speaker 2: so it's not And then it like makes you talk weird.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: And if you're an actor, hey to tell you, babe,
Speaker 1: that's your man. That's ruad and butter how you talk.
Speaker 2: No, they're saying like in period pieces and stuff, not
Speaker 2: even about the teeth, but it's like when your face
Speaker 2: is just pulled up, like what are we doing here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't be in this nineteen twenties show or whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just proud of Joel for keeping
Speaker 3: his teeth. Wait. Speaking of talking about Joel, though, I
Speaker 3: mean I must have seen. Oh not only have I seen,
Speaker 3: I have personal information that Ali will keep yours. I've
Speaker 3: been hearing.
Speaker 1: I've been hearing some personal information from other people through
Speaker 1: him as well, But just for the listeners, if you're
Speaker 1: not into the housewife world, like some of you aren't,
Speaker 1: Joel Kimbooster r Pal is hosting like a dating show
Speaker 1: with single housewives like Luanne, Shannon Badoor, Gizelle I think Gizelle,
Speaker 1: and and he went on live and was ripping Shannon
Speaker 1: Bador to shreds say that she's a was a post.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I thought he went live.
Speaker 2: No, it was a it was written, it was it
Speaker 2: was written stories Okay, then were asked to be deleted immediately,
Speaker 2: but of course it's the Internet, so screenshots were taken
Speaker 2: and yeah, he basically just said Shannon was evil but
Speaker 2: she was apparently being really terrible to the EP of
Speaker 2: the show and humiliated her in front of the whole
Speaker 2: cat like casting crew. My favorite thing is like people
Speaker 2: in the comments of one of the Bravo accounts I followed,
Speaker 2: well because I don't think it's huge, Like I don't
Speaker 2: think it's giant news, Like you have to be a
Speaker 2: psychopath that follows fifteen Bravo meme a counts to have
Speaker 2: found this out, Like, yes, brav you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean, Like, I don't think the normal
Speaker 3: my entire feed the morning, I know, I.
Speaker 1: Was sick in bed because I had a cold, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, that's just like scrolling
Speaker 1: all of the shit.
Speaker 3: It's bad.
Speaker 2: It's something that I would do. But in the comments,
Speaker 2: we were like, I can't believe it. We need more proof.
Speaker 2: We can't just go off this. I'm like, you can't
Speaker 2: believe it. I can't believe that Shannon Badour was a
Speaker 2: nightmare to crewe have we not had that's the same show.
Speaker 1: And that this comedian would like just make that up
Speaker 1: and write these stories and risk, like potentially risk a job,
Speaker 1: which I think he's fine.
Speaker 3: Like his job is safe.
Speaker 2: But like, well, at the end of the day, people
Speaker 2: are talking about this show. No one was talking.
Speaker 1: About That's what I said. Yeah, I think the internet
Speaker 1: is split people. Some people are like I can't believe it,
Speaker 1: and other people are.
Speaker 3: Like I knew it. Well, it's like the tree Huggers.
Speaker 2: It's just like, Okay, we can watch this show for entertainment.
Speaker 2: If you think Shannon or Teresa are great people who
Speaker 2: deserve like joy and happiness, you're out of your fucking mind.
Speaker 2: These are not good people and we've seen Shannon's awful
Speaker 2: behavior for years or people were like, and he brought
Speaker 2: up the do I do love that ro He's like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know what's tough to suffer means, but
Speaker 2: ha haha. But even with the daughters, they're like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, and I'm like, I don't like Orange County girls.
Speaker 3: Yeah that went to Baylor.
Speaker 2: You think they know how to behave, Like I just
Speaker 2: I just don't get the shock. Like you might like
Speaker 2: someone or not, but to be shocked at they're behaving
Speaker 2: in a way that we've seen them behave for a
Speaker 2: decade on television is like I don't understand what the
Speaker 2: viewers and you can still like her, but like there's
Speaker 2: but they're all monsters. That's the thing that's I think
Speaker 2: working with Housewives, I don't think Vicky is great Toakreue.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think the only reason this got pick up is
Speaker 1: because she's in the middle of this like sort of
Speaker 1: victim storyline that people are like rallying behind her because
Speaker 1: her ex is a nightmare. And in his post he
Speaker 1: said I feel bad for John Janssen, which was so
Speaker 1: crazy because John Jens is clearly a full scumbag, you know.
Speaker 3: Anyway, this is so much housewife talk, not enough to day.
Speaker 2: We got premieres of Salt Lake, we got oc we
Speaker 2: got New New York like we got Potomac. We're back, baby,
Speaker 2: I'm dying. I'm drot watching every night. It's like so exciting.
Speaker 2: Oh so this is the premier. So it's at the grove. Okay,
Speaker 2: my friend who I'm coming with, he gets a phone call.
Speaker 2: He's running late. My anxiety does not handle that. So
Speaker 2: I go on my own and it's more fun with
Speaker 2: a friend.
Speaker 3: So I go up there. I'm just standing. I'm talking
Speaker 3: to one woman.
Speaker 2: But as I check in, they tell me I'm I'm
Speaker 2: sitting in the director's role row. I go, are you sure,
Speaker 2: and they go, yeah, you're in Halle's row. It's here,
Speaker 2: and I go okay, so I go. I sit down
Speaker 2: and immediately there's like some space, but these two women
Speaker 2: are looking at me.
Speaker 3: They're like, and I go they told.
Speaker 2: Me to sit here, and then I just was feeling uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: So then I went, I'll just go check. Would you
Speaker 2: mind saving these though, just in case? And they go
Speaker 2: for sure, So I go and I go, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: it's a little weird. Are you sure I'm in Halle's row?
Speaker 2: Like it seems like family, and like, are you Henry
Speaker 2: Wrightler's on this show? Like are you sure? And they go, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're in the director's row. Hallie she asked for it,
Speaker 2: and I go, okay, I get I guess. So I
Speaker 2: go back and then there's a new little man sitting
Speaker 2: there with these two other women and he turns around.
Speaker 3: He goes, hey, so this is like Hallie's roe. I go, no,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: I went to double check because you're people keep making
Speaker 2: sure I belong here or not. So then he felt
Speaker 2: weird because I was like, no, I've asked. I don't
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 3: Sit here either. You've all made it very uncomfortable for me.
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, no, it's fine. So he's her
Speaker 2: best friend from college. Then I realized, oh, that's her sister.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh, this is like legit, Like I
Speaker 2: shouldn't be here, you know, I shouldn't.
Speaker 3: I feel weird. I don't know why they're telling me
Speaker 3: to sit here. Jared comes.
Speaker 2: Then Jared leaves for to get pop corner or drink.
Speaker 2: A woman from the events coming comes up to me goes, hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna need you to move, and this is after
Speaker 2: I could see there's come and I go, are you
Speaker 2: kidding me? I go, I didn't want to sit here?
Speaker 2: I go, I went to double check. They told me
Speaker 2: twice I should sit here. She goes, we just need
Speaker 2: you to leave, like move, and I went, okay, well
Speaker 2: I'm in the movie, like I don't because.
Speaker 3: I go, where do you want me to sit?
Speaker 2: She goes, you could just go over here and I go,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm in it like i'd like, and
Speaker 2: she goes, okay, you can just sit in the cast thing.
Speaker 2: So like I got two seats. Everything was fine. I
Speaker 2: should have just sat in the cast seats immediately, but
Speaker 2: I thought everything's very planned out, that's reserved, like I
Speaker 2: just kind of did what I wanted. And there were
Speaker 2: like elderly people being like, I want thy aisle, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm sorry, I have pee problems. I
Speaker 2: have to sit in that like I'm like fighting with
Speaker 2: her uncles and godparents, like I don't know, so obviously
Speaker 2: I'm happy not to be in this row.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I went to check like I didn't want to be there,
Speaker 2: but I I'm embarrassed. So now I'm kicked out in
Speaker 2: front of this little college friend of hers, and you know,
Speaker 2: I just I hate it. And also this man is
Speaker 2: gay and was just like so dismissive and not nice
Speaker 2: to me. And then as soon as Jared showed up,
Speaker 2: he was like, hey, I think I know you. Everything
Speaker 2: switched suddenly you wanted to know all about us. Everyone
Speaker 2: wanted to fuck him last night, like every cater worried,
Speaker 2: like everyone. So then we go to the after party
Speaker 2: and it's fine.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it's fine.
Speaker 2: So We're like walking around, We're and then I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna smoke the joint real quick.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a hit. So I walk outside.
Speaker 2: Have you been to Fannies the Academy Museum restaurant?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, I guess there's three premieres happening in this building.
Speaker 2: I oh, listen. Did I end then I talking to
Speaker 2: the head of catering for twenty five minutes?
Speaker 3: We did? We did. That's after I was.
Speaker 2: Rejected by everyone who we did end up just talking
Speaker 2: to the head of catering. But I'm like he was hungry.
Speaker 2: I go, I'm just gonna step outside. So there's like
Speaker 2: sections with tables and bars. I walk, of course, outside
Speaker 2: of the patio. I'm not a mine. I understand this
Speaker 2: isn't And I go behind some fen like gate and
Speaker 2: I take a few hits and then I start going
Speaker 2: inside and security goes, you should have done that out there,
Speaker 2: like on the sidewalk, And to me, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: not an asshole, Like I walked as far as I
Speaker 2: thought would be appropriate, Like I am doing the thing.
Speaker 2: It's not like I sat on the patio chairs, you know,
Speaker 2: oh yeah yeah. And I went, well, he goes, you
Speaker 2: should have gone all the way out, not in our grounds.
Speaker 2: And I went, oh, okay, my bad, and I'm walking.
Speaker 2: He goes, should you even be here? And I went what?
Speaker 2: And then I had to like show my little bracelet
Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, I have the bracelet. Is that okay, sir?
Speaker 2: I'm like, go fuck off. And then because at that
Speaker 2: point I was like annoyed, and I was wearing a
Speaker 2: very cute outfit, and so then I went back in
Speaker 2: and he's like it was yeah, it was just like
Speaker 2: I can't even believe it.
Speaker 1: I just don't get why those women or the gatement like,
Speaker 1: how do they know who the fuck you are? Like
Speaker 1: you could be fucking Nancy Meyer's like best friend from highol.
Speaker 3: No, I think they've all been I mean not for
Speaker 3: a decade.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like they would have now
Speaker 2: these are her sisters and best friends. Like I understand,
Speaker 2: it's like cousins, it's godparents. They all know Henry Winkler.
Speaker 2: Like I get it. But to me, I still think
Speaker 2: it's cool. She wanted you in her row.
Speaker 3: Originally she didn't.
Speaker 2: She didn't know because when I saw her at the party,
Speaker 2: she hugged me, was so excited. She goes, I didn't
Speaker 2: know you were here. I would have made an announcement
Speaker 2: when I talked about.
Speaker 3: All the actors.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that would have been crazy if you mentioned
Speaker 2: Mila Kunis, Michael Keaton, and then a girl with three lines, like,
Speaker 2: but she was so happy to see me in kind
Speaker 2: I didn't get the cur I should have gone up
Speaker 2: to Michael Keaton. I was just in such a mood
Speaker 2: for being rejected all night that I was just like
Speaker 2: in my head. But Melakunis and then I saw all
Speaker 2: these people speaking Russian, so she brought a lot of family.
Speaker 2: I love that she brings her trash Russian family all
Speaker 2: over town because.
Speaker 3: You should have gotten in there. They were not friendly.
Speaker 3: They did not look friendly. They are Russian. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if if you're Russian and watching,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about. Now, Julia says, I'm
Speaker 2: like too sensitive when I see Russians out and about.
Speaker 3: It really like affects me.
Speaker 1: It affects me, oh, because like it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I know they would.
Speaker 3: Be happy maybe, but yeah they are. Well.
Speaker 2: I went to this like a dyes the grocery store
Speaker 2: that's by where I'm staying, and I spoke Russian with everyone.
Speaker 2: An old lady asked me for help. But whatever. Ashton
Speaker 2: Kutcher was there. Oh okay, you know there's been a
Speaker 2: lot of yes, there's been ugh on that Hocky talk.
Speaker 2: So my I was kind of shocked because Mila hasn't
Speaker 2: done any process at all about anything. But Laura Benanti,
Speaker 2: former guest, is in it. She wasn't at the premiere,
Speaker 2: but she she's in the movie.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's fun.
Speaker 2: Oh and the little kids. There's two little kids in
Speaker 2: it and they are stars.
Speaker 3: Like it was cute.
Speaker 2: And the girl at the premiere, she had like purple
Speaker 2: tips like on her hair.
Speaker 3: It was cute, like and then were.
Speaker 1: You happy like how your part turned out and everything? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you said it's only a couple lines.
Speaker 2: No I have like I have like prom curls that
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: That look insane.
Speaker 2: I also, I'm wearing my own like crop top, but
Speaker 2: I tied it and it's just it's fine. They cut
Speaker 2: almost everything because the then the little man was nicer
Speaker 2: to me because I think he wanted to have sex
Speaker 2: with my friends. So then he was like, oh I
Speaker 2: saw an earlier cut where a lot more of your stuff.
Speaker 2: He's like, didn't you have, Like, weren't you making fun
Speaker 2: of Michael? I go, yeah, I was, But you know
Speaker 2: they got it.
Speaker 3: I bet he was trying to fucking backtrack because he
Speaker 3: was being a dick. He was.
Speaker 2: He was being a dick, and it's just like I
Speaker 2: but I I get Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Everyone's crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not trying to sneak into this row, right,
Speaker 2: I am happy to sit anywhere like I went. I
Speaker 2: I but maybe I should have just walked away on
Speaker 2: my own feel when I felt like I shouldn't be
Speaker 2: there but I didn't know how assigned seats they were,
Speaker 2: like I.
Speaker 3: Just do right, well you do were doing what you
Speaker 3: were told.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but at least I was invited to the party
Speaker 2: this time. I mean a security guard did make sure
Speaker 2: that I was invited.
Speaker 1: But well, you know, maybe he has like the security
Speaker 1: guard has like a weird thing about weed still he's
Speaker 1: from the days of weed still being illegal or something.
Speaker 3: No, when I walked in, I go, I think he's
Speaker 3: an ex cop.
Speaker 2: Yeah I got ex cop vibes from him.
Speaker 3: But whatever.
Speaker 2: I either way, it was really fun. It is exciting,
Speaker 2: and Michael Katon is so talented. I teared up during
Speaker 2: the movie multiple times. Really what makes to see it?
Speaker 2: He is he's just really talented. There's a few scenes
Speaker 2: where he's just it's just close ups of his face
Speaker 2: like being emotional, and he's just really good.
Speaker 1: He's really good, and he has such an interesting face,
Speaker 1: and he can play so many different things.
Speaker 2: And I hope that we're getting funny parts too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I hope we're you.
Speaker 1: Getting new generations of Michael Keaton and we're not just
Speaker 1: getting like Glenn Powell, like hot boy like cutouts, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I really hope we're gonna get like, who's glenned
Speaker 1: to Michael Keaton?
Speaker 3: What are you talking?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Glenn Powell is.
Speaker 1: The fucking hot guy in Top Gun, oh, the Sydney
Speaker 1: Sweeney movie, in all the hot guy, he's the hot
Speaker 1: guy or whatever. And it's like, fine, we can have
Speaker 1: a hot guy, but I just hope that we're also
Speaker 1: getting like Mikey.
Speaker 2: He's not my hot guy. I feel like Austin Butler's
Speaker 2: hotter Glenn Powell.
Speaker 1: That's the same, but same like hot guys, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They're like Michael Keaton's like interesting looking
Speaker 1: and can play all these weird parts and funny parts, but.
Speaker 3: Can also be a handwek guy. I think he was,
Speaker 3: Yeah he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like he was, you know, but I guess
Speaker 2: he's lived in Wyoming for over twenty years.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, I didn't know that. I mean, Anna
Speaker 1: de Armis just moved to Vermont. People are people are cocooning?
Speaker 2: I don't know, well, especially because people aren't filming as
Speaker 2: much in LA. I think people are going to like Toronto, Atlanta,
Speaker 2: Jerseys getting tax cuts. Someone was telling me they're filming
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff in Ireland. Lately Vancouver. I just
Speaker 2: think you can live anywhere now as an accer and
Speaker 2: just like you're just going to these sets like it's
Speaker 2: not the same.
Speaker 3: Totally totally so true.
Speaker 1: Wait, speaking of X Cop, and then we really do
Speaker 1: have to start the episode. I somebody one of you
Speaker 1: beautiful listeners sent our account, our Instagram account, like a
Speaker 1: TikTok or an Instagram reel or something of this guy
Speaker 1: explaining how a cop in South Florida, I think it
Speaker 1: was South Florida, a cop somewhere took his wife's hair
Speaker 1: from the shower and was planting it at crime scenes
Speaker 1: because he wanted he didn't want to be with her anymore.
Speaker 1: He was planting it at crime scenes and incriminating her.
Speaker 1: And then when they found her hair and like ques
Speaker 1: her or whatever, he was like, yes, she has been
Speaker 1: acting really weird. He was trying to get her fucking incarcerated.
Speaker 3: And how do they figure it out? And did he
Speaker 3: get in trouble? Like what? I don't know? Go on,
Speaker 3: I have to like google the full story.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hopefully she had good enough alibis that they
Speaker 2: knew it wasn't her or like where the crime is different?
Speaker 1: Because if this guy's a cop. Then he knew where
Speaker 1: to place it. Okay, it's okay. When I google it,
Speaker 1: it's literally only coming up on TikTok. Hold time, a
Speaker 1: policeman was collecting his wife's hair from the shower and
Speaker 1: placing it at crime scenes because he wanted her.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's fake. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just saw it. I just saw this on TikTok
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's wild. And of course it
Speaker 1: was an ex cop and people were like, never marry
Speaker 1: a cop. But now it's like, when I look it up,
Speaker 1: it's only on TikTok and like Twitter, So maybe it's fake.
Speaker 1: But you know who knows. I wanted to shut on
Speaker 1: a cop for a sec.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only TikTok. We need another sort, we'll go
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 3: That's where more and more people are getting their news.
Speaker 2: Well, I have another crime thing. I watched the documentary
Speaker 2: I wish to remember the name, but it's on Netflix
Speaker 2: and it's about a woman who is a corrections officer
Speaker 2: for seventeen years. She was the assistant manager of it.
Speaker 2: She was beloved, very kind, like the employees loved her,
Speaker 2: the inmates loved her, like she gave everything up to
Speaker 2: this job. She had a heart and then she helped
Speaker 2: an inmate escape and they went on the run, and
Speaker 2: then they've had to investigate and they figured out she's
Speaker 2: been dating him and they've been having phone sex, and
Speaker 2: you get to hear their phone sex tapes, and then
Speaker 2: you see all the footage of like all the times
Speaker 2: she has helped him escape or what's going on. And
Speaker 2: then I don't want to give it away if you
Speaker 2: guys like watch, but it's interesting because all the inmates
Speaker 2: are like, that's real love. Man, they loved each other.
Speaker 2: They loved each other. He like, oh he was did
Speaker 2: you do anything? And then all the people in her life
Speaker 2: are like, this is sad.
Speaker 3: She was used.
Speaker 2: This is a dangerous man, and they wanted to find
Speaker 2: her because they're like, he's gonna turn it on her
Speaker 2: and kill her.
Speaker 3: This is a bad person.
Speaker 2: And then the inmate confessional like tapes are like, man,
Speaker 2: they really had something special. And then her friends are
Speaker 2: crying being like we didn't know she was so lonely,
Speaker 2: you know, but it was very good. Oh my god, Yes,
Speaker 2: I need to watch. I want to watch.
Speaker 1: Also, I don't know everyone's talking about how the Menendez
Speaker 1: Bryan Murphy's gonna get the Menendez Brothers out of jail.
Speaker 2: Okay, well I heard there's also not that, but there's
Speaker 2: a new doc about the abuse and detailing, and I
Speaker 2: guess they have been in jail for close to forty years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and if there is now proof and everything about the abuse, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I would have to look more into it.
Speaker 2: But the TV show is very weird. I have it
Speaker 2: on in the background of stuff, like Ari Grainer's in it.
Speaker 2: I'm watching the Chloe seven y eight, like about the
Speaker 2: Parents right now, Like I just like watch the performances,
Speaker 2: but I'm not really into it. Yeah, I just think
Speaker 2: it's too I don't know, I want more real stuff.
Speaker 2: I gotta watch this dock. I don't know much about them,
Speaker 2: and I'm curious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the last thing I watched about the
Speaker 1: Menendez Brothers was like eight years ago when they did
Speaker 1: Law and Order American Crime Story with Edie Falco and
Speaker 1: like did the full read.
Speaker 3: You know, there's oh my god, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was like that was like that was like
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen or eighteen or something. All right, well,
Speaker 1: let's get started. We've got a great show. This episode
Speaker 1: is freaky, so don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: All right? Everyone?
Speaker 2: Did I sound like what's her name? Laura Love Laura Delilah?
Speaker 2: I think it was Laura ritual Baby, Season five, episode fourteen.
Speaker 2: You're thinking ritual, Wow, sounds like a expensive facial.
Speaker 3: No that's not no, not so what it's about to happen.
Speaker 2: But Casey also made a weird face that he does
Speaker 2: not think about spot treatments when you here's the word ritual,
Speaker 2: But why do I Is there like a brand?
Speaker 1: Yes, because there's like a brand called Rituals. Isn't there
Speaker 1: or are we seeing origins? Isn't there a Rituals face brand?
Speaker 1: Ritual Prenate, there's Prenatal Rituals Cosmetics. Yes, there's a Rituals cosmetics.
Speaker 2: Because the way Casey scrunches, I'm like, am I making
Speaker 2: this up? No?
Speaker 1: No, no, there's a cosmetics, Which makes sense that Casey
Speaker 1: wouldn't know about that and we would.
Speaker 3: Yeah that I'm crashy. I don't know about this either.
Speaker 2: This looks like I've never seen this bottle of my
Speaker 2: goddamn life.
Speaker 3: Well wait.
Speaker 1: I also wanted to point out that the air date
Speaker 1: of this episode is February third, two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: two three four.
Speaker 3: I thought you'd kind of liked that. I bet we
Speaker 3: had a funday.
Speaker 2: I bet I have had a fun day in high
Speaker 2: school writing the date down two three four. All right,
Speaker 2: So two people who work for the park district are
Speaker 2: in the park. They're picking everything up from condoms, dog crap, needles,
Speaker 2: be careful, but pick it up. One's a veteran and
Speaker 2: he's showing, oh, a guy that seems like he's on
Speaker 2: his first day of the ropes. The short one is like,
Speaker 2: whoa look at this and it's bowls of blood and beads,
Speaker 2: and the tall ones like, yeah, it happens animal sacrifice.
Speaker 3: Put it in the bag.
Speaker 2: And the little one's like, I don't know, it's the body,
Speaker 2: and the tall ones like, shut up, it's just a
Speaker 2: dead chicken. And then he goes, oh, it ain't no chicken.
Speaker 2: So we cut Tom Melinda Warner doing her work. The
Speaker 2: victim is black male, seven or eight years old. I
Speaker 2: don't like that they called him a male. That's a child.
Speaker 2: Do they do that for kids? They have to identify
Speaker 2: the gender they do. There's just something that I'm like,
Speaker 2: would they say seven or nine female or they be
Speaker 2: like girl.
Speaker 3: I just remember, like they wouldn't say boy. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: It just reminded me that black boys have to grow
Speaker 2: up faster and that they're seen as like adults. And
Speaker 2: I was wondering if this is normal or if it's yeah,
Speaker 2: that kind of prejudice.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I thought about that.
Speaker 2: But it gets worse than calling yeah, listen, had arms,
Speaker 2: legs they're missing. Stabler is there to get the rapport
Speaker 2: and scope out the scene.
Speaker 3: It could be a ritual killing.
Speaker 2: And the bones were cut in the middle, not in
Speaker 2: the joints, and Melinda's like, easier ways to do this.
Speaker 2: So to me, I'm like, a professional, didn't do this.
Speaker 2: The bones are cut in the middle, but later we
Speaker 2: find out it is very meticulous, So I'm confused already.
Speaker 2: So Benson and Stabler talked to the tall man and.
Speaker 3: He looks so sad that he saw a dead child body.
Speaker 2: And he's like, listen, I've seen some dead goats and
Speaker 2: other animals, but not a child, and then he goes,
Speaker 2: pretty freaky people in this city, yes, So Melinda calls
Speaker 2: them over. Stabler is like, animals I've heard of, but
Speaker 2: what religion sacrifices kids? And then Melinda goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: the boy's throat was cut while he was still alive,
Speaker 2: and then it's a close up on Benson and Stabler
Speaker 2: and their faces are just like we're in for a
Speaker 2: doozy and we start the credits. So we're back at
Speaker 2: the Emmy's office and the child died with when his
Speaker 2: carotid artery was cut. Then he was dismembered. He died
Speaker 2: about twelve hours ago. And then she says, not a
Speaker 2: hack chob you know, it was methodical, the bone cutting
Speaker 2: and everything, like they knew exactly what they were doing.
Speaker 2: And then Melinda starts explaining how flesh around the neck
Speaker 2: and limbs were flensed, and Stabler says, what we're all thinking.
Speaker 2: What So then there's like a dummy neck, headless person
Speaker 2: and she does a presentation of like how the cutting
Speaker 2: happened and the flensing or whatever, and that the blood
Speaker 2: and the bulls do match the victim, but they'll do
Speaker 2: a DNA test too. What doesn't the blood prove the DNA? Like,
Speaker 2: what's the blood day, Like, the.
Speaker 1: Blood type is the same, so it's likely his, but
Speaker 1: they got to do the DNA to confirm.
Speaker 2: Got to cut it, and she says she's never seen
Speaker 2: anything like it and that he was bled out by
Speaker 2: hanging upside down.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm really sad.
Speaker 2: And then they asked like, can we id him and
Speaker 2: she goes, yeah, there's an old scar in his stomach
Speaker 2: and that might help id the body. But other than that,
Speaker 2: there are no signs of abuse and the kid was
Speaker 2: well fed, so it's a healthy ass kid. And we're
Speaker 2: back at the priesting ready to fill in Daddy Craigs
Speaker 2: and get directions on what's next. But there's no hits
Speaker 2: or clues on the kid, and you know, they're just chatting,
Speaker 2: brainstorming as Munch walks in with some boxes and Munch
Speaker 2: talks to a professor of the occult who says that
Speaker 2: the bowls and the blood are very commonly used in Santoria,
Speaker 2: and Finn has the scoop on Santoria from his old
Speaker 2: drug policing days. I was first practiced by enslaved Africans
Speaker 2: who are brought to America and Christianity was forced onto them,
Speaker 2: and so they switched and would call their old gods
Speaker 2: by saint names. And so that's like the candle the
Speaker 2: Saints and the Santuria a mix and match and Finn
Speaker 2: has memories of like care Caribbean or Caribbean.
Speaker 3: How do you say it? I say it both ways.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think Caribbean if you're talking about
Speaker 3: a person, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and Fit has memories of Caribbean and South
Speaker 2: American drug dealers putting hexes on him. They threw grave
Speaker 2: dust on him and they would leave dead chickens at
Speaker 2: the precinct. So Kragan stops the chatter and is like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's go with what we have. Ritualize murder by somebody
Speaker 2: who practices Santaia and go So we go to Martinez
Speaker 2: Imports and that's where the bowl and candle is from
Speaker 2: that they found. So Benson and Stabler visit and they
Speaker 2: sell thousands every month, which is wild.
Speaker 3: I'm like thousands. It's like.
Speaker 2: Thousands of Santa Ria candles a month. And if that's
Speaker 2: so wiser store, so Dusty, get it together. But we're
Speaker 2: kind of lucky right now. It's a new Saint candle,
Speaker 2: Saint Cecilia. So there might be soup. There might be
Speaker 2: scoop and soup. You never know. It shipped to three
Speaker 2: buyers and one of the buyers is in New York
Speaker 2: and it was sold to the Center of Study of Santaia.
Speaker 2: So the man in charge there, wearing a sweater vest
Speaker 2: and holding a New York Post style paper, says, oh,
Speaker 2: Central Park voodoo slings on the cover, So it must
Speaker 2: be our religion. But our religion is peaceful and chill,
Speaker 2: and Sailor's like, this isn't about religious tradition. It's about
Speaker 2: murder my friend. And Sailor's losing it. And this guy's
Speaker 2: like the Supreme Court and religious freedoms, and Sailor's like,
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit.
Speaker 3: A candle you had here.
Speaker 2: Was placed a few feet away from a dismembered child.
Speaker 2: No one cares about your fucking religion. Get insulted, but
Speaker 2: get move on. It's so fucking annoying to me, Like,
Speaker 2: you don't respect Santaia.
Speaker 3: Shut up.
Speaker 2: There's bowls of blood, there's a headless child, and you're
Speaker 2: like the Supreme Court said we can cut off a
Speaker 2: chicken's head. I'm like so annoyed with this leader, but
Speaker 2: I also get it. These people are probably rude in
Speaker 2: him all the time. But he says, fuck you, and
Speaker 2: you're big a treat. You need a cord order and
Speaker 2: you can find your way out, so they gotta go.
Speaker 2: So since they can't bully their way into a member list,
Speaker 2: they're now bullying case you know, back into breaking the
Speaker 2: law to get a court order.
Speaker 3: And you know the drill.
Speaker 2: She's like the law constitution, and Stabler's like dead child
Speaker 2: with bowls of blood. And then Stabler calls the religious
Speaker 2: store owner a hostile and it's like, yeah, it takes
Speaker 2: one to no one. And then the candle also isn't enough,
Speaker 2: Casey says, because like they were sold out of state
Speaker 2: and sent and you can't prove that the candle was
Speaker 2: from the store. And Benson's like, listen, I talked to
Speaker 2: the other churches that have the candles. They haven't like
Speaker 2: used those candles. Yet no one has those candles. And
Speaker 2: I love a spinoff called Candle Detectives. And so then
Speaker 2: Craigan points his finger and says, also, like they didn't
Speaker 2: drain the kid at the park. That's that's something to know,
Speaker 2: you know, they needed privacy. So maybe it was at
Speaker 2: the center, and you know, maybe it was a member.
Speaker 2: So Casey, why don't you say, since they do sell
Speaker 2: the candles, maybe a child was bled out in their
Speaker 2: religious home. Now it's gone too far. So she suggests
Speaker 2: they go talk to the people that live and work
Speaker 2: around the center to see if they have any leads.
Speaker 2: And we meet an old white woman and she's like, boo,
Speaker 2: I hate them, and it's like, worry less about the
Speaker 2: center and more about your roots. Two inches of outgrowth, honey,
Speaker 2: get to the salon spying on Santaia too much.
Speaker 3: But she was a tea.
Speaker 2: But this actress was a teacher in the Faculty, which
Speaker 2: I recently rewatched, and so that was exciting.
Speaker 3: Is that a blind spot for you?
Speaker 1: No? I actually think I saw the Faculty when I
Speaker 1: was really young and kind of blocked it out because
Speaker 1: it scared me a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she was the dead body in the closet that
Speaker 2: like falls out. Oh and she was also in She
Speaker 2: Devil and Sex and the City's episode four Women in
Speaker 2: a Funeral and she did pass in nine, but we
Speaker 2: are lucky to have her here. And she does not
Speaker 2: like young people exposed to this stuff on school nights.
Speaker 2: It's at ten, there's so many kids and not one
Speaker 2: more than eight years old, and she calls it a
Speaker 2: crying shame. During this time, munch in Finner at a
Speaker 2: restaurant and the restaurant workers like, oh yeah, pretty weird
Speaker 2: shit happens over there, and he goes, one time I
Speaker 2: was closing up, I heard shrieking and drums and noises
Speaker 2: and animals. And Novak is using all this info to
Speaker 2: do a walk and talk with a judge to try
Speaker 2: to get a warrant. And the judge is like, girl,
Speaker 2: get real strange behaviors, not grounds for a warrant. Kids
Speaker 2: go there for youth classes that have been well documented,
Speaker 2: and the judge understands what racism is and it's nice
Speaker 2: to see that, you know, she knows what a racist
Speaker 2: in action looks like. And she doesn't like that all
Speaker 2: these old whites don't like the Sansoria and Novak again
Speaker 2: screams there's a dead boy, and Novak uses the words
Speaker 2: cut up and bled him like a pig. So the
Speaker 2: judge approves the warrant, and then the judge hopes this
Speaker 2: doesn't turn into a witch hunt. Mike Doyle's sexy asses
Speaker 2: on the scene with Stabler and Benson and the religious
Speaker 2: leader wearing all white and beads, and he is livid,
Speaker 2: and Doyle finds some chicken leftovers and Stabler can't find
Speaker 2: a list of the members anywhere, and accuse the leader
Speaker 2: of deleting them, and he says, fuck you, I know
Speaker 2: the law, and if you know anything about a religion,
Speaker 2: you know my people would never do something like this.
Speaker 2: Benson saunters over and goes, what makes you so sure,
Speaker 2: and the man goes, well, the child is found near
Speaker 2: a lake, and the lake is ruled by a saint
Speaker 2: that is a protector of children, and it would be
Speaker 2: blasphemous in front of the saint of children to do this.
Speaker 2: And Stabler goes, what if the killer is a heretic
Speaker 2: and dude, isla, I know, I like that, And dude
Speaker 2: is like, whoa fuck. Maybe in Africa, but definitely not here.
Speaker 2: So then Benson goes, okay, let's she goes full ice.
Speaker 2: She goes, let's round up the African immigrants. Who can
Speaker 2: we harass. So Stabler says, give me the list of
Speaker 2: immigrants and that would do a human sacrifice, and I
Speaker 2: will o or I will harass everyone at every service
Speaker 2: and call the Department of Animal Control and the health
Speaker 2: Department will visit your dumb ass. And he goes, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: like this is blackmail, but I have the lists in
Speaker 2: my pocket, and here are the recent immigrants. You fucking
Speaker 2: aggressive guys. You know, one time when I was living
Speaker 2: in Williamsburg, an apartment by my coffee shop was throwing
Speaker 2: a party, and so I went and they did have
Speaker 2: a donkey, and then someone called animal control and peda
Speaker 2: on the donkey. But I have a photo with the donkey,
Speaker 2: and I was happy to meet the donkey. And then
Speaker 2: they were back at the coffee shopping like fucking someone
Speaker 2: called peta, this is bullshit, and I'm like, I.
Speaker 3: Just wanted to have a donkey at our party, all right.
Speaker 2: So we get the list, but Warner has something, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's gonna be graphics, sad and filled with
Speaker 2: clues and information. So Warner tested the victim's hair for isotopes,
Speaker 2: like get the fuck out of here, and so it's
Speaker 2: a chemical signature of a location. And his levels are
Speaker 2: in New York and he's been in. His isotope level
Speaker 2: shows that he's been in New York City for about
Speaker 2: four weeks. The bones, though, show a strontium level that
Speaker 2: she shared with some anthropologists who said that the levels
Speaker 2: are a match for Nigeria.
Speaker 3: So legit.
Speaker 2: The bone strownium levels led them to a city in Nigeria,
Speaker 2: and he's only been in New York for a month
Speaker 2: before he was killed. So then Benson goes, fuck, he
Speaker 2: was brought here to be sacrificed. That's why nobody reported
Speaker 2: him missing. So Stabler then is like, you know, there's
Speaker 2: no immigrant, there's no recent immigrants at the center, which
Speaker 2: means he just harassed a whole religious community for no reason.
Speaker 3: They're updating the captain.
Speaker 2: They spin out of the office to go to the
Speaker 2: Immigration and Customs Enforcement and see if they have this
Speaker 2: child on file. So it's a walk and talk with
Speaker 2: this worker, and all their immigrant kids are doing fine.
Speaker 2: So this kid came to this country illegally. He checked
Speaker 2: all local addresses of all their new boys and from
Speaker 2: Nigeria that are all legal. Everyone is safe, everyone is happy.
Speaker 2: But he he's not surprised that this boy came illegally
Speaker 2: because it's the third largest money maker after drugs and guns,
Speaker 2: is the sale of human beings. And fifteen thousand kids
Speaker 2: are trafficked here each year. And Stabler goes in Africa
Speaker 2: and he goes, no America, you fucking here, and he
Speaker 2: sends them to talk to a woman at the consulate
Speaker 2: came a me Buddha who is in quotes passionate about
Speaker 2: stolen children. And they're in a windy staircase. Behind the
Speaker 2: woman she is gorgeous. And this is Erica Alexandra from
Speaker 2: Living Single and she was most recently an American fiction.
Speaker 3: If anyone has seen that, yes.
Speaker 2: Kara famously told me it was a lighthearted comedy and
Speaker 2: a death, a death in the first ten minutes.
Speaker 1: I famously mischaracterized that movie a little bit. Yes, yes
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I went and being like, this will be silly balling.
Speaker 2: I like tears, Yeah I have. I told you when
Speaker 2: I was in charge of renting a movie for my
Speaker 2: family and I was like, okay, I have to pick
Speaker 2: something that's not perverted. I don't want to watch sex
Speaker 2: scenes with my family. What am I gonna get? And
Speaker 2: then I got The Banger Sisters and that is about
Speaker 2: two aged sluts reminiscing about their slut times and like
Speaker 2: you truly saw there the found they had a polaroid
Speaker 2: collection of Dix and there were photos of I was
Speaker 2: just like their daughter's fucking in the pool. It was
Speaker 2: a tough, yeah, tough watch. I remember my dad going
Speaker 2: and getting Clementines. It was like so uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: But I guess I void anything with the word bang
Speaker 3: in it with your parents. I guess, you know.
Speaker 2: I just thought there was I didn't even but I
Speaker 2: don't even know if I knew, Like when did that
Speaker 2: come out that I didn't understand what banger meant like,
Speaker 2: but it's like head banger.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't get to that.
Speaker 1: I came out in O two, So you were, what
Speaker 1: like fifteen, I was too old to not know that
Speaker 1: this was going to be perverted. But you know, we
Speaker 1: Goldie Haun, Susan Sarandon. How could we not?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that house like good pal fun.
Speaker 2: Right, Like, how would I have known that it was
Speaker 2: gonna be this weird situation?
Speaker 3: But you know, a good family story, one for the books.
Speaker 2: So anyways, Erica Alexander's here and she's very passionate and
Speaker 2: she's gonna help them. So she's gorgeous. She's wearing a
Speaker 2: matching like head piece and dress. It's a maroon color
Speaker 2: gold jewelry, and she's explaining, most Nigerians are people that
Speaker 2: are super educated and like doing great, but rural places,
Speaker 2: tradition dies hard, and it's possible that they might sacrifice humans.
Speaker 2: But she's like kids disappearing like from Africa. That happens
Speaker 2: all the time to Europe in the US for slave labor.
Speaker 2: This isn't you know? This is about child labor, sexual labor, sweatshops, domestics.
Speaker 2: So they sit in her office and they learn about
Speaker 2: all this, and Benson asks if there have been any
Speaker 2: missing children reports from Bendian City and she says, no
Speaker 2: boys that age, but someone that works the switchboard at
Speaker 2: the consulate said there was a call two days ago
Speaker 2: from a girl worried about her missing brother, and then
Speaker 2: the caller hung up before she got any more info.
Speaker 2: And the name is a Johnny. And Sailor says, can
Speaker 2: we check phone records to find the info? And she
Speaker 2: says yes, no worries like have at it, but only
Speaker 2: and then, but you know, only for this investigation. So
Speaker 2: we're in Craigan's office having a meeting. They are all
Speaker 2: as shocked as we are that they just shared their
Speaker 2: phone records and much as like Americans would never help
Speaker 2: in this way, and Staybor goes much shut up. She
Speaker 2: knows we're not interested in state secrets. He does not
Speaker 2: take much seriously today. And then Benson comes in with
Speaker 2: some files. She there's been eight calls to the consulate
Speaker 2: switchboard at the time. The sister called so much in
Speaker 2: Finn go to this rich ass looking house and there's
Speaker 2: a maid that looks like one hundred one Dulmatian made,
Speaker 2: and she's like, you can't come in.
Speaker 3: But in the.
Speaker 2: Distance they see a young black girl cleaning the floors,
Speaker 2: and so then Fing goes, says a Johnny, and you
Speaker 2: see the girl make a face and the old woman goes.
Speaker 3: No bye, and no one near by that name Chris.
Speaker 2: Supposed the door, and Fin shoves his way in, and
Speaker 2: the girl is so cute. Her name is Naima, like
Speaker 2: from America's Top Model season four, and she confesses to
Speaker 2: Finn that yes, she did call and ask, and she's like,
Speaker 2: did they find a Johnny? And so they will have
Speaker 2: to tell her her brother is dead, which is sad,
Speaker 2: but there are children's services. Finn is talking to her.
Speaker 2: She says she works from six a m. To midnight
Speaker 2: and can't go out. How much housework is there to
Speaker 2: do eighteen hours, even if it's a giant house. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what what possibly needs to be done for that many.
Speaker 3: Hours a day?
Speaker 1: I never even really know what people's maids are doing
Speaker 1: from like you know, nine to five, Like every day
Speaker 1: you have eight hours of housework in your I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess these people have big houses and there's cooking
Speaker 1: and other shit to do. But Jesus multiple help too.
Speaker 1: It's wilding cause.
Speaker 3: I get six, Sam, okay, you're making breakfast for work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's like it should be wrapped up
Speaker 2: by eight latest. I mean, this is also illegals, so
Speaker 2: none of this should be happening. She should be at
Speaker 2: the mall. So she found out about her brother because
Speaker 2: the evil rich lady was watching the news and they meant,
Speaker 2: you know, they mentioned the scar on the stomach, and
Speaker 2: so she knew it was her brother. He had a
Speaker 2: scar from falling off a tree while climbing it. And
Speaker 2: so then of course these men showed up said we're
Speaker 2: going to take you to America, to a grade school,
Speaker 2: and it's like, come on, no one's ever just trying
Speaker 2: to help you. She explains that when she got to America,
Speaker 2: she was in a giant room with tons of beds
Speaker 2: and people would come look at them, and she was
Speaker 2: hoping to be taken together, but this woman only wanted
Speaker 2: her and I hope they fucking slit this bitch's throat,
Speaker 2: but they locked her in a cellar so she couldn't
Speaker 2: run away. And Finn and Stabler they meet in the
Speaker 2: spyglassroom with the woman from the consulate and she's going
Speaker 2: to find their mother and send a Johnny's body back
Speaker 2: and help take care of everything. And I'm really excited
Speaker 2: because the woman in charge of the house is at
Speaker 2: a charity event. Oh it's so good, So there's gonna
Speaker 2: be a public arrest. So the consolent worker, like you know, goes.
Speaker 2: What she doesn't know is that charity begins at home.
Speaker 2: And it's like, all right, put that on a shirt,
Speaker 2: and a bunch of old white rich ladies and hats
Speaker 2: are clapping, and we see her in all purple and
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm not going with you and an axe
Speaker 2: all proper, and it's like you're arrested for being a
Speaker 2: slave master, so you gotta go, and Finn goes. If
Speaker 2: you haven't heard, Lincoln freed the slaves and Peter Herman
Speaker 2: is her lawyer, which makes me understand why everyone hated
Speaker 2: him at first.
Speaker 3: Like I know he did good work eventually.
Speaker 2: But like this is an example of like why they're
Speaker 2: like he defends yeah, yeah, ah, it smells.
Speaker 3: Like what do they always say? Not pigs but something.
Speaker 1: They're the I'm also like obsessed with this event, Like
Speaker 1: it's all these women that are dressed in like crazy
Speaker 1: like Chanelle suits and shit, and they're like and the
Speaker 1: flower chair is Mildred Worthington, Like it's all like that vibe,
Speaker 1: and it's so great to send someone in and be like,
Speaker 1: arrest this bitch for slave owning in the middle of that.
Speaker 3: It's so good. Well, I'm sure the rest of them
Speaker 3: were like, oh jeez, could have been me. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: They're like oh, let go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were all running to use their cell
Speaker 1: phones to call and have there.
Speaker 2: That is why the rich need to be murdered, Like
Speaker 2: you are so rich and you still need a slave,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, you could pay a couple a couplet girls,
Speaker 2: good pay I just yeah, oh my god. So this
Speaker 2: bitch is in cement room bars going she's a domestic
Speaker 2: legal worker, and the rich lady is just like whatever,
Speaker 2: I gave a poor girl a job and stabled her.
Speaker 3: Goes, oh yeah, what do you pay her?
Speaker 2: She doesn't pay her, only room and board, no money
Speaker 2: at all, but then she has the audacity to go.
Speaker 2: It's more than she would get at home, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you don't think you should make zero at home. I
Speaker 2: think she could make zero. When asked how she found her,
Speaker 2: she's being fucking cagy. You know, she doesn't know. It's
Speaker 2: none of their business. And they were like, listen, you
Speaker 2: knew she was here illegally, and you did nothing. Slavery
Speaker 2: is a federal crime. Have fun in prison for ten years.
Speaker 2: And Finn does a very convincing speech and he's like,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna like the dress code and the joint
Speaker 2: and this woman makes me sick, and fucking tell them
Speaker 2: where you bought this girl? And the cont went to
Speaker 2: a warehouse in Long Island City and bought a child
Speaker 2: and then sits at a charity event, This cold hearted bitch,
Speaker 2: and I bet she will end up in jail. She's
Speaker 2: not getting out of this, we hope. So then they're
Speaker 2: like trying to be like, where did you buy where
Speaker 2: did you get this girl? Where did you get this girl?
Speaker 2: And she is not playing ball, So Stabler runs out
Speaker 2: of focks to give, and so he gets up and
Speaker 2: dramatically to a Unicop is like Booker and then that's
Speaker 2: like Trevor's.
Speaker 3: Like, no, no, hold on, okay.
Speaker 2: And finally she confesses I paid a fee. I don't
Speaker 2: know the Oh no, she's still fucking playing games. Oh
Speaker 2: the numbers disconnected. I don't remember this. I don't remember that.
Speaker 2: And finally she screams, I went to a warehouse in
Speaker 2: Long Island City. And it's like, why didn't you just
Speaker 2: tell them?
Speaker 3: And you're not disgusted with yourself?
Speaker 2: What is in these people's I bet there are also
Speaker 2: people that would go out to dinners and be like,
Speaker 2: I'm not even racist, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yes, fucking do right would fit right in with this group.
Speaker 2: So they go to Long Island City and it's one
Speaker 2: of more of the more of the chilling moments in
Speaker 2: the show's history. They had to astoreage unit and there's
Speaker 2: like an additional lock on the door and the facility.
Speaker 2: Dude's like, that's not our lock, that's a separate lock
Speaker 2: that they brought in, and it's a ton of children.
Speaker 2: They're all chained up. It's so sad. There's such cute kids,
Speaker 2: heartbreaking kids and chains everywhere. The detectives are stunned. And
Speaker 2: I also just hate that this is a reality for
Speaker 2: so many people on the planet. And the detectives are
Speaker 2: showing the kids of Johnny's photo and one girl knows
Speaker 2: him and she says he cried when he was taken
Speaker 2: away from his sister. And a girl with a giant
Speaker 2: scar on her face is, you know, giving some scoop.
Speaker 2: And then a really cute boy tells Benson, you know,
Speaker 2: they were friends and their beds were next to each other,
Speaker 2: and his name is Quasi. And a nice man took
Speaker 2: a Johnny. He brought them all candy. He was white,
Speaker 2: and the man liked a Johnny's doll that was made
Speaker 2: for luck. So that's all the info we got, and
Speaker 2: thank god we got to free all these kids. And
Speaker 2: finn Is like, yep, the traffickers were gonna leave them
Speaker 2: there to die. So they basically the traffickers saw Johnny
Speaker 2: was the body was found, saw that the heat was on,
Speaker 2: like locked with a separate drill type lock, dead bolt
Speaker 2: lock on the outside of the door, and we're just
Speaker 2: gonna let these chained children slowly starve to death. Oh horrible,
Speaker 2: so on, Oh my god, I forgot You're gonna have
Speaker 2: to report on what happened. Okay, So once the trafficker
Speaker 2: person saw okay, But then in my head, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you can't let them loose.
Speaker 3: Let them loose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so now we have a fucking new theory and
Speaker 2: I'm really into this. Finn goes, since it's a white person,
Speaker 2: you know, goes, maybe it could be someone that just
Speaker 2: knows about Santoria but doesn't practice it, And Sadler goes,
Speaker 2: but why would we need a Santaia cover story?
Speaker 3: What's it covering up? And Finn goes, human.
Speaker 2: Trafficking, it's you know, late laborer, but for sex, Like,
Speaker 2: this is what it is. Someone killed their fucking sex slave.
Speaker 2: And this person knew about the doll, which means he
Speaker 2: knows about African folklore. So Craigan quickly TRACKFIC controls the crew.
Speaker 2: Sabler goes to the Santa Ria Center because they only
Speaker 2: asked about members, but like maybe there was a random
Speaker 2: white in there. And then Finn goes to talk to Naima,
Speaker 2: the sister, to get scoop about the doll. And the
Speaker 2: doll scoop is it's a protector. It's a little statue
Speaker 2: and it stays in a pouch for safety and the
Speaker 2: mom made the pouch herself, and since they have the
Speaker 2: same doll, Finn looks at it closely and goes, oh,
Speaker 2: it kens, and then the girl goes, yeah, my great
Speaker 2: great grandfather made them with a special mark. And they
Speaker 2: haven't found her mother yet, but she wants to go home,
Speaker 2: but for now she is happy. They're going to help
Speaker 2: find her a foster home. And she is dealing with
Speaker 2: the death of her brother quite well and sadly, I
Speaker 2: think this girl, there's a lot of tragedy, and so
Speaker 2: she but she lets them have the doll for good
Speaker 2: luck to help find her mother, and he's really touched
Speaker 2: by having this doll. And then back at the center there,
Speaker 2: our leader is like, oh, we don't sell the candles
Speaker 2: to whites. Maybe other places let white do Santoria, not.
Speaker 3: In my house.
Speaker 2: And so they're like yeah, but like could someone have
Speaker 2: like are you sure there weren't any whites, And then
Speaker 2: a light bulb. He remembers they had an art exhibit
Speaker 2: recently and a few white people did get to buy
Speaker 2: some stuff, and one of those people was Maggie Shay
Speaker 2: and she has a gallery and she says she buys
Speaker 2: lots of interesting things and uses candles at the gallery
Speaker 2: and house because she likes the way they smell. And
Speaker 2: she's like, what is this even about, and Stabler says,
Speaker 2: we're talking to tons of people. You're not special, so
Speaker 2: just answer our candle questions. And then they ask if
Speaker 2: she was at the gallery Mounder or Tuesday. She goes, no,
Speaker 2: I was actually out of town. I was in Ghana.
Speaker 2: I went on a buying trip and I found a
Speaker 2: great new artist and I was happy about it. But
Speaker 2: and so I cut my trip short, a month short.
Speaker 2: She goes, I got home Tuesday night.
Speaker 3: Must have been like a bullseye artist find like, you
Speaker 3: cut your trip a month short? Geez. Yeah, She's like,
Speaker 3: I found the guy. I'm out of here.
Speaker 2: And then, no matter how many times I've seen this,
Speaker 2: when Finn like comes out in the gallery holding the
Speaker 2: same good luck doll that matches Naimas, I get shivers
Speaker 2: like excitement, like all of a sudden, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get these motherfuckers. Yeah, and I get them.
Speaker 2: So he's like, oh, what's this doll? And she goes, oh, no,
Speaker 2: that's not for sale. That was actually a welcome home
Speaker 2: gift from my husband. Finn says, where did he get it?
Speaker 2: She goes one hundred and twenty fifth Street flea market,
Speaker 2: and so he's like, well, I would love to get
Speaker 2: one of these my life.
Speaker 3: My wife loves this dumb shit. So what's your husband's number?
Speaker 2: And so then her husband is a professor at Hudson
Speaker 2: Done Done, and he teaches art history. So let's go
Speaker 2: see Alan. And it's Michael Emerson and he, you know,
Speaker 2: I think he's a classic character actor. And the character
Speaker 2: is I'm a dork and a freak. Is that a
Speaker 2: good man to describe?
Speaker 1: Well him, I mostly know him from Evil, you know,
Speaker 1: my favorite show that I talk about all the time.
Speaker 1: I know him from Evil, and he's a conniving little
Speaker 1: devil man, you know, but like he's supposed to be
Speaker 1: kind of get on your nerves. And also I want
Speaker 1: to point out that the woman that plays the wife
Speaker 1: is Triny Alvarado, who no longer acts, but was the
Speaker 1: title character in the movie Stella starring Bette Midler, which
Speaker 1: I do bring up all the time because oh, actually.
Speaker 3: I don't think you bring it up enough because I
Speaker 3: don't even know it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's the one where nobody comes to the birthday. Oh, no,
Speaker 1: you played it in cinema Trix, Yes, yes, and nobody
Speaker 1: comes to the birthday party and I always call it,
Speaker 1: oh no, I don't want to be Stella on my birthday.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if Stella is her or the mother
Speaker 1: or Bette Midler's character. I'm pretty sure it's the daughter's character.
Speaker 1: But anyway, she was an actress in a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff in the eighties and shit, but then not much lately,
Speaker 1: and I think she's quick the biz. But anyway, she
Speaker 1: was in Little Women. She was in the original Little
Speaker 1: Women with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm I know him from Lost. I don't
Speaker 2: know her at all. I hope she's doing well. And
Speaker 2: you know, your guy was in an episode of Clause.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that when Michael Emerson was in It
Speaker 1: was in Clause.
Speaker 2: Yeah, season one, episode nine, just one episode in Brosia
Speaker 2: like this, So.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that, but that is interesting because he's
Speaker 1: married to Carrie Preston aka Elsbeth.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: She's someone in the nineties that was always like or
Speaker 2: early like when I was a kid. She was always
Speaker 2: nominated for an award. You know, she was like that
Speaker 2: Fifth Factor spot where you're like, who is this that
Speaker 2: was her always for me as a child. All right,
Speaker 2: So we got we got Michael Emerson, one of the
Speaker 2: best in the biz, and once you see him, you
Speaker 2: know tom foolery is afoot. And then I wrote, in
Speaker 2: the words of Alyssa Edwards, spooky ooky, So.
Speaker 3: I guess that's what I was feeling.
Speaker 2: He's like, l ol, how could I give for my
Speaker 2: wife be involved in an investigation for the police. And
Speaker 2: it's like, you know what you did? So they ask
Speaker 2: if he's a pro at African art. He goes, oh, no,
Speaker 2: that's that's my wife. My specialty is Tibetan sand paintings.
Speaker 2: These these these are rich kids. You don't specialize in
Speaker 2: Tibetan sand paintings if you're if you were raised working class.
Speaker 2: He said he'd had no idea how valuable the doll
Speaker 2: was until the wife told him. He offers to help
Speaker 2: find the doll by going next Saturday to the flea market.
Speaker 2: Identifying the man he feels very strongly about smuggling antiquities.
Speaker 2: He thinks it needs to be stopped and he could
Speaker 2: he will help. He says he's trying to get the
Speaker 2: Elgin marbles back to Greece and he's really proud of it.
Speaker 2: And then we cut to Stabler taping a photo of
Speaker 2: Michael Emerson's face onto the precinct board, going Elgin marbles
Speaker 2: my ass.
Speaker 3: He goes, this is the guy slick as they come.
Speaker 2: So basically, he got a boy a toy slave for
Speaker 2: two months, but then his wife was coming home early
Speaker 2: and he had to stash the body, so he staged
Speaker 2: the ritual to throw everyone off the track. But then
Speaker 2: it's like, why keep the doll? Why not get rid
Speaker 2: of it? And Stabler goes a trophy duh. He gets
Speaker 2: his rock soft seeing his wife have it, and Finn goes,
Speaker 2: but it should have come with a beaded pouch. So
Speaker 2: now we have to find the pouch. We get search warrants,
Speaker 2: we start looking. We're at the Shay residence on East
Speaker 2: sixty fourth Street and Mike Doyle's doing some black light action.
Speaker 2: There's tons of bleach in the tub, but no blood
Speaker 2: and Benson's piss. Stabler has nothing either. There's no evidence
Speaker 2: anywhere in the house. Sabler calls the boys and munch
Speaker 2: infin also have nothing now, so munch Invent are back
Speaker 2: at the Hudson in the office with the research assistant
Speaker 2: and she goes, hey, whatever you need, I'll help you.
Speaker 2: And Finn goes, well, we're looking for a beaded pouch
Speaker 2: and she goes, oh, why didn't you say so? And
Speaker 2: then she hands over a beaded pouch and goes, doctor
Speaker 2: Shay gave it to me as a present. They go
Speaker 2: fuck so they go fuck z Essa up, so too
Speaker 2: like public arrests. In one episode We Are Lucky. So
Speaker 2: he's teaching class. They arrest him in front of the
Speaker 2: whole class and he's stuttering. He's like, sop, I don't
Speaker 2: get it, Alan Shay, you're under arrest for the murder
Speaker 2: of a Johnny Haruna and he denies. A lawyer and
Speaker 2: he's like, I don't know why the hell I'm here,
Speaker 2: and he is really good. So Sabler is bringing up
Speaker 2: the pouch and how like there Johnny's mom made those
Speaker 2: pouches and like it's identical to the sisters. Like there's
Speaker 2: no way, and he's like, I have no idea who
Speaker 2: a Johnny is. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I bought it from a street vendor and he you know,
Speaker 2: it's like and then he goes, that's street vendor. Is
Speaker 2: the killer and you're letting him go, and he's just
Speaker 2: a really good actor. He just keeps being like, who's
Speaker 2: a Johnny, which reminds me of oh Mary, what?
Speaker 3: Why? The south of what? Who's Louis pees?
Speaker 2: And his eyes are so wide, But then he's still calm,
Speaker 2: so it's really yeah, he's great. Stabl Is like, so
Speaker 2: all cosmic coincidence, and I liked him saying cosmic. And
Speaker 2: he goes, so, you know, the same pouch and statue
Speaker 2: as a dead child and candles were all left at
Speaker 2: your wife, Like, come on, bro, you're connected to too much.
Speaker 2: This is not a coincidence. And then Stable goes, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm not that bright. You're the educated guy here. Would
Speaker 2: you buy this story? And he says yes, because that's
Speaker 2: what happened. So then they're like, well, why was Bleach everywhere?
Speaker 2: He goes what bleach? I was? I got the house cleans,
Speaker 2: my wife was coming home. I hired a cleaning service.
Speaker 2: What's the big deal? And Stable's like, I'll tell you
Speaker 2: what I think is going on. Your wife surprised you
Speaker 2: by coming home early, and you had to get rid
Speaker 2: of the boy in a hurry. But you can't have
Speaker 2: him finger you so you murdered him and covered it
Speaker 2: up with sacrifice?
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 2: So does this mean he's been like buying boys and
Speaker 2: sacrificing them forever and as a serial killer, Or it's
Speaker 2: the first boys killed and has let other slave boys leave?
Speaker 3: Or what what do you think?
Speaker 1: I don't know, great question, like they got this guy
Speaker 1: on his first one, or well maybe no. I think
Speaker 1: it's possible he's gotten other boys and killed them in
Speaker 1: ways where he's been able to fully dispose of the body.
Speaker 1: He did this one really quickly because she was coming
Speaker 1: home right Like, maybe he I don't know, figured out
Speaker 1: they buried these at his like country house. I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows what he did with the other victims. That's
Speaker 1: a good point, you know. Yeah, this is so, Stabler goes.
Speaker 1: You can't hide from me behind your fancy education. I
Speaker 1: smell you.
Speaker 2: You're nothing but a skelle who gets his rock soft
Speaker 2: screwing other boys.
Speaker 3: Yes, Stabler, give him hell.
Speaker 2: So Benson is with the wife who's like, no way,
Speaker 2: my husband is not a child's molestor Benson takes out
Speaker 2: the two dollars for luck and says, who who do
Speaker 2: you think makes these?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: You gave one to your husband. The other belongs to
Speaker 2: the sister of the murdered boy, and she goes, you're wrong,
Speaker 2: there's dozens of those, and then Benson goes, really, you
Speaker 2: really mean that you're an expert? Right, Violin starts strumming,
Speaker 2: it starts hitting her. Benson takes out the pouches and
Speaker 2: the wife goes, oh, so they can carry around their protectors.
Speaker 2: She's getting wet eyes, she's breathing heavy, she's realizing. She
Speaker 2: goes Monday evening, you know, she calls him in London.
Speaker 2: From London and goes, hey, I thought she was in Ghana.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is going on? Didn't she Ghana?
Speaker 1: But maybe she had to do a layover. She was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm on my layover, I'm on my way home.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, yeah, I'm so suspicious.
Speaker 2: Monday evening she called him and I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 2: i'll be home early, and she's like, yeah, I thought
Speaker 2: he'd be happy, but he was fucking pissed and I
Speaker 2: didn't get it.
Speaker 3: And he was.
Speaker 2: Just like, I need more time to get the house
Speaker 2: ready and I need more notice. And she did ask like,
Speaker 2: why are you so angry and not happy to see me,
Speaker 2: and she said that he apologized right away, covered his tracks,
Speaker 2: was like my bad, my bad, my bad. But it
Speaker 2: stayed with her and she kept thinking, oh, he's having
Speaker 2: an affair, and I interrupted them. She recognizes the photos
Speaker 2: Benson shows her of the candles and said that she
Speaker 2: asked him what was up and that the candle was missing,
Speaker 2: and he said he used it in one of the bulls.
Speaker 2: So then Benson asked for details about the bulls and
Speaker 2: the wife's had enough. She's like, I can't, I can't,
Speaker 2: And Benson is like, Maggie, you better help us before
Speaker 2: another child might die. And she's crying and swallowing hard
Speaker 2: and she's like, yeah, you know she I got called
Speaker 2: from London. He asked work, He's to our storage was
Speaker 2: where I keep all my inventory and the room is
Speaker 2: in the basement under the gallery.
Speaker 3: But she seems like a dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would he need the key to your inventory? Right?
Speaker 3: Why is he kissed her? Coming home?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Why are you still like he could have never It's
Speaker 3: like he's clearly a child molester.
Speaker 2: Look at his eyes and there's blood down in the room,
Speaker 2: a trail of blood that leads to a crate and
Speaker 2: Finn and Munch opened the crate and Finn says, we
Speaker 2: got to get a medical examiner in here. So back
Speaker 2: at the precinct, the villain's in the interrogation room and
Speaker 2: Craigan's like, you're going to death row, bitch, And Sabler
Speaker 2: walks in with a Moroccan tilebox that he bought from
Speaker 2: a family in Marrakesh and he's like, oh, I was
Speaker 2: trying to ship it to Tibet, so whatever. He's looking
Speaker 2: at it with his bespectacled ass, and then Novak's like,
Speaker 2: cooperate and you go to jail for life or don't
Speaker 2: and you die by lethal injection. And he goes, I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to be intimidated. New York hasn't killed a person
Speaker 2: in forty years. And Novak's like, you're right, you're extra
Speaker 2: scum and I'm sure a jury would think that you
Speaker 2: suck so bad you're dead. Novak's like, hey, Professor Shay Gamble,
Speaker 2: it's your life. And then Craigan goes towards the tile
Speaker 2: box and he's like, let's see what's inside the box.
Speaker 2: And finally Michael Emerson goes no, no, no, and then goes,
Speaker 2: I'll cooperate and they ask him, why did you do this?
Speaker 2: He goes, well, I couldn't risk body parts flowing in
Speaker 2: the East River. You're right, he's murdered before. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: spills the beans on the trafficker he worked with. His
Speaker 2: name is Bosa and he's a facilitat and he greases
Speaker 2: the wheels for international shipping. And he tries to give
Speaker 2: the number and Novak says, no, the number isn't good,
Speaker 2: not enough, And he goes, no, the number is good.
Speaker 3: I talked to him last week. So were you trying
Speaker 3: to get another boy? You sick? Fuck?
Speaker 2: So a new shipment is coming in tomorrow and it's
Speaker 2: book report time.
Speaker 3: So you know why does that mean? Okay, so wait,
Speaker 3: can I just say one thing really quick.
Speaker 1: I think I always thought that in that crate was
Speaker 1: like another boy, and now I'm realizing it's his limbs, right,
Speaker 1: m hm.
Speaker 3: I'm dumb in my mind.
Speaker 1: I was always like, oh, it was like another boy
Speaker 1: that he was like, I'm so dumb. Why did I
Speaker 1: always think that?
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're not dumb. It's a lot of body
Speaker 2: parts to keep trapped.
Speaker 3: No, I was like, I know.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is like where he kept
Speaker 1: them like tied up, and this is like another boy
Speaker 1: and for some reason that's always been in my head
Speaker 1: that it's another boy, but it's the limbs.
Speaker 3: Wow wow learning.
Speaker 1: Okay, book report, Well what does that even mean?
Speaker 3: So whatever?
Speaker 2: This guy both Martin Bosa I wrote Mark, but it
Speaker 2: is Martin and he's a Nigerian citizen in the US
Speaker 2: on a work visa. Interpol knows about him. He's all
Speaker 2: about slaves and drugs and we need a plan to
Speaker 2: get him. And Munch is like, Okay, this guy's a psychopath,
Speaker 2: like he left a bunch of kids to starve to death.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he knows the heat is on him. Can
Speaker 3: we even get to him?
Speaker 2: And they're like, well, the only way to get to
Speaker 2: him is to try to buy a child. So Craigan's like, well,
Speaker 2: Benson is sta able of you go. The guy's gonna
Speaker 2: smell cop on you. So they're like, well, then let's
Speaker 2: send someone from his own country. Great thinking, Benson. So
Speaker 2: they send the consolate woman and Finn to meet the
Speaker 2: trafficker and they're doing a chat about how to buy
Speaker 2: a person and this is really really fucked. So then
Speaker 2: Finn and his wife they meet up with this guy
Speaker 2: Martin Bussa Bosa and he's scary as fuck, and the
Speaker 2: Erica Alexander is like, yeah, I just want someone who
Speaker 2: can cook and clean and keep house. I don't know
Speaker 2: what keep house means, but it seems like let the
Speaker 2: husband rape you, she said. But I don't know. It
Speaker 2: could just mean keep it tidy. But why would you say, cook,
Speaker 2: clean and keep house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it kind of means like everything in between.
Speaker 3: But yeah, dry cleaning or something. Yeah, maybe laundry.
Speaker 2: She says she can't stand American servants and asks for
Speaker 2: an obedience servant, and obedience is important above all else.
Speaker 2: She's good And when the trafficker asks what business he's in,
Speaker 2: he goes my business.
Speaker 3: So then this dude.
Speaker 2: Offers them straight up a five or six year old
Speaker 2: child so they can train her to their liking. Finn
Speaker 2: goes deal, and the guy goes, oh, make arrangements, but
Speaker 2: like he was suspicious because the guy was.
Speaker 3: Like, how long have you been married?
Speaker 2: And that one little hesitation of like Finn grabbing her
Speaker 2: arm and speaking like the dude new, the dude new
Speaker 2: he's a crimin. Yeah, so and Finn go knows that
Speaker 2: he's been blown. So the guy gets up and then
Speaker 2: like they all follow him out of the diner. There's
Speaker 2: a rundown and Finn just starts beating the shit out
Speaker 2: of this motherfucker and screaming.
Speaker 3: They're kids, you sick son of a bitch. He's bloody
Speaker 3: on the ground. They you know, keeps punching.
Speaker 2: Stabler has to run out of the car and pull
Speaker 2: them off, and they arrest him for kidnapping on the
Speaker 2: first degree. We're in cement room bars and he tries
Speaker 2: to say that his bargaining chip is his bloody face
Speaker 2: and that the cops beat up a Nigerian man and
Speaker 2: he doesn't think the police commissioner wants that kind of publicity.
Speaker 2: And then the consolate woman in Finn arrive and he goes,
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid of you, and Finn goes, not me her,
Speaker 2: and he goes why what can a woman do? And
Speaker 2: she goes, de porch you, And then the worry hits
Speaker 2: his face because of the accent. That doesn't sound like mine.
Speaker 2: I think I did like a like a British guy
Speaker 2: just and so she's like, she goes, well, your passport's
Speaker 2: being revoked and I'm sending you to Nigeria where you'll
Speaker 2: be in jail, and Finn goes they do fire squads
Speaker 2: there right, tie people up to polls, shoot their ankles.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get death. And this makes his eyeballs move
Speaker 2: great eyeball acting. He's worried and he's like, oh no,
Speaker 2: so let's gets him to reveal that another shipment of
Speaker 2: kids is arriving that night. But this guy is he
Speaker 2: being up the shipment of kids so he can serve
Speaker 2: his jail time in America instead of Nigeria. I wonder,
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's the deal, because I don't want
Speaker 2: my ankles shot, because that's what Finn said. They start
Speaker 2: from the bottom and shoot you all the way up,
Speaker 2: so you're just bleeding.
Speaker 3: Oh is that a detail I shouldn't have remembered.
Speaker 1: No, I just now that i'm remember now, Yes, I
Speaker 1: guess like the ankle shooting, I was like out and
Speaker 1: now I'm like, oh no, then they'll just move up
Speaker 1: your whole body so your brain is like alive for
Speaker 1: all of it.
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, I never thought about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when you research and watch at two three
Speaker 2: in the morning, something that sticks with you, so so
Speaker 2: then uh, yeah, whenever we're both working on the dock
Speaker 2: at the same time.
Speaker 3: I'm always like, well, care is doing it in an appropriate.
Speaker 2: Hour, and I am three hours ahead. Yes, I am
Speaker 2: in the dock as well. So this gets him to reveal,
Speaker 2: you know, when you're just on such a fun lineup
Speaker 2: and that's yeah, like I want to go home. I
Speaker 2: had a meat brick, I had a sid, I had
Speaker 2: a Jabuki, Drew Anderson, my friend Caitlyn.
Speaker 3: That's so fun. It was good people. So the cops
Speaker 3: stop the truck. So many kids in the truck. It's
Speaker 3: very sad.
Speaker 2: They're selling kids the lowest of the low and Finn
Speaker 2: is so fucked up about this case and he's just
Speaker 2: having a hard time. But hopefully the kids are going
Speaker 2: to have a better life. And Diane Neal when we
Speaker 2: interviewed her, said that this was her most haunting episode
Speaker 2: when we asked, and that is Dick Wolf Baby.
Speaker 1: This last shot of like them opening it up with
Speaker 1: like all the kids in the truck.
Speaker 3: I would say it's like a top.
Speaker 1: Iconic SVU image where you're like fuck, like, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think the idea of trafficking is like very
Speaker 1: abstract to a lot of people, and this is like
Speaker 1: look at this, They're just being like trafficked, like like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know what am I trying to say any like
Speaker 1: like furniture, you know.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I don't want to hear about the crime. Let's
Speaker 2: change our owl structure of our podcast.
Speaker 1: I should also mention that in Evil, Michael Emerson is
Speaker 1: in a relationship for part of the series with Christine
Speaker 1: Latti aka So now I'm blanking Sonya Paxton.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, girl, So you remember when, okay,
Speaker 2: you had to pick up my meds for me once
Speaker 2: when I got COVID and had my earshit, and you
Speaker 2: changed the address because like obviously you wouldn't have used
Speaker 2: my Skoki address, so like it's been my LA address
Speaker 2: forever in Chicago. I forgot my meds, so I had
Speaker 2: to like reorder meds and they asked for my address,
Speaker 2: no recollection.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you could remember where you used to live? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Could not remember that app. Like I was
Speaker 2: like looking up in Google, Matt, and then finally went
Speaker 2: to the email and found my email chain with the
Speaker 2: moving company, and that's how I found my LA address.
Speaker 3: And it's like you only moved like six months ago.
Speaker 1: What the fuck? That's crazy? But yeah, that happens. You
Speaker 1: just blank out? Why did I blank out on Sonia Packston.
Speaker 1: She's my favorite evil ada with a heart of gold
Speaker 1: that I think has a comeback.
Speaker 2: Just no, one just want to drink with her. You
Speaker 2: just want to drink with her. I know, I know,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I just want to have a little drinks with Sonya Paxton.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to our crimes. Okay, this crime
Speaker 1: is there's two crimes. But the first one, the major
Speaker 1: one that this is based on, is the Adam murder case.
Speaker 1: And we love to talk about cases that were overshadowed
Speaker 1: by nine to eleven, and this is one of them.
Speaker 3: This happened. That's something we love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I think that's so interesting that like wasn't
Speaker 1: Shark Eyes guy like he was like a horrible serial
Speaker 1: killer and then like or like a horrible abuser. And
Speaker 1: then like we just oops, we were dealing with nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. We didn't notice like and yeah.
Speaker 2: A girl in the lake that was another one, but
Speaker 2: that was in an episode.
Speaker 3: That was an episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Scott Peterson, weren't we talking about like Lacy Peterson
Speaker 1: when she originally no.
Speaker 2: That that was the nine to eleven of the time
Speaker 2: because of that case.
Speaker 3: The case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all these other cases didn't get attention because yes.
Speaker 1: But there are some other cases I feel like where
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, nobody's really paying attention because like this massive,
Speaker 1: like geopolitical, huge thing has happened in the United States.
Speaker 2: I know, the imagine getting kidnapped, dragged into a basement
Speaker 2: and no one actually even notices because of nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: I know, the rebel, I know, but this happened in London,
Speaker 3: not the US.
Speaker 1: But on September twenty first, ten days after nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, the torso of an unidentified male
Speaker 1: child ages four to eight years old, was found in
Speaker 1: the Thames near Tower Bridge, and he was wearing orange shorts.
Speaker 1: The police called the unidentified victim Adam, and forensic evidence,
Speaker 1: including mineral samples, much like what they did in this episode,
Speaker 1: linked to the boy to a rural area of southwestern
Speaker 1: Nigeria between ben and City, the same city that A
Speaker 1: Johnny is from. An Ebadon, which is a one hundred
Speaker 1: by fifty mile swath of land and ben And City
Speaker 1: is apparently known as the birthplace of voodoo. Authorities believed
Speaker 1: that have you seen a Skeleton Key. No, do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about with Kay Hudson. Yes, I've
Speaker 1: heard of it, but I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: It's one of my faves. Oh, I should give it
Speaker 2: a walk. What are your thoughts on it? Casey?
Speaker 3: Do you think about it when you hear a voodoo?
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that movie in a really long time,
Speaker 2: but it's I remember it being kind of silly, but
Speaker 2: I do think about it sometimes with I guess we
Speaker 2: have different views on that movie. I was not silly.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Edge of my seat, terrified. Only think of Skeleton Key,
Speaker 2: the word of voodoo. Okay, oh yeah, and I opened
Speaker 2: and oh that's in the city. Okay, this is really
Speaker 2: like okay, interesting, it's pretty ripped.
Speaker 3: I will say.
Speaker 1: Authorities believed that Adam had originally been trafficked to the
Speaker 1: UK for a mooti or mut m uti.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm saying it wrong.
Speaker 1: A mouti ritual sacrifice which is performed by a witch
Speaker 1: doctor who uses the child's body parts to make medicinal
Speaker 1: potions called muti. According to the National Institute of Health, quote,
Speaker 1: ritual or muti murders are a form of human sacrifice
Speaker 1: practiced by some African tribes. The murder is carried out
Speaker 1: after body parts are removed while the victim is still
Speaker 1: alive end quote. So the post mortem on the Torso
Speaker 1: revealed that Adam had been poisoned and his throat had
Speaker 1: been slit to drain the blood, and his head and
Speaker 1: limbs had been expertly removed. So it's literally this episode
Speaker 1: more forensics like his stomach contents indicated that Adam had
Speaker 1: only been in the UK for a few days or
Speaker 1: weeks before his death, much like the isotopes.
Speaker 3: That Melinda was running.
Speaker 1: Police in the UK, we're not able to find a
Speaker 1: match for Adam in missing children's databases in the UK
Speaker 1: or around Europe. They asked for the public's help, but
Speaker 1: people had their eyes on nine to eleven, Like it
Speaker 1: just wasn't getting a lot of interest. It wasn't getting
Speaker 1: people were not like calling in a lot of tips,
Speaker 1: It wasn't leading anywhere. Eventually, interest in the case in
Speaker 1: the UK did increase, like rewards were offered, but it
Speaker 1: didn't get that much publicity in Nigeria, which is where
Speaker 1: they needed it to get publicity because then hopefully somebody
Speaker 1: could have identified him.
Speaker 3: So when they had nothing.
Speaker 1: By two thousand and two, officials from London went to
Speaker 1: South Africa and they actually met with Nelson Mandela, who
Speaker 1: made a public appeal for information about Adam. This was
Speaker 1: shown all over Africa, translated into many different languages, including Yoruba,
Speaker 1: which is the local language in that area of Nigeria
Speaker 1: where they thought Adam was from. They consulted detectives and
Speaker 1: Muti experts in South Africa and some thought that the
Speaker 1: orange shorts suggested that Adam was related to his killers
Speaker 1: because in Muti red is a color of resurrection, so
Speaker 1: at least they thought maybe one of at least one
Speaker 1: of the killers was maybe trying to make his soul rise.
Speaker 3: Again, red is not orange, but maybe it's close enough.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: They also went to Nigeria and launched a campaign to
Speaker 1: track down Adam's parents, going to elementary schools, checking miss
Speaker 1: some person reports for children in the area, but nothing.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and two, social workers went to investigate
Speaker 1: a woman named Joyce Ocia Guede and she was a
Speaker 1: mother of two, because they were worried about the safety
Speaker 1: of the children. And then this woman, Joyce starts talking
Speaker 1: about ritual killings and all this, and a couple of
Speaker 1: the investigators are like, oh, bells are ringing, let's call
Speaker 1: Let's like, this reminds us of this Adam case. So
Speaker 1: they call in Detective Nick Chalmers, who had been working
Speaker 1: on the Adam case, and he searched Joyce's home and
Speaker 1: found clothes with the same kids and Company label as
Speaker 1: in the same sizes as adams shorts, So kind of
Speaker 1: circumstantial but interesting. They arrested Joyce, but they were unable
Speaker 1: to charge her because she kept changing her story. They
Speaker 1: thought she had mental health issues and they had like
Speaker 1: no evidence against her. So ten years go by, in
Speaker 1: March of twenty eleven, Joyce is back in the mix,
Speaker 1: telling authorities that Adam could be a six year old
Speaker 1: boy named Ike palmwasa and she showed them a photo
Speaker 1: of this boy and she claimed that she used to
Speaker 1: take care of this child back in Germany and after
Speaker 1: his parents were deported back to Nigeria, she took care
Speaker 1: of this kid, and that she told the press, she
Speaker 1: handed this kid off to a man named Bahwa who
Speaker 1: took the child to London. Kind of sounds like Bosa,
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's like they're really taking a lot
Speaker 1: from this episode. In February twenty thirteen, she also contacted
Speaker 1: the BBC to say she wanted to spill everything she
Speaker 1: knew about the case. She said, oh, actually Adam's real
Speaker 1: name is Patrick Erhabor and not ike pamwasa and admitted
Speaker 1: that she had confused the photo that she showed them
Speaker 1: that this boy was still alive, and she got confused.
Speaker 3: She said.
Speaker 1: The man who took him to London, who she called Bawa,
Speaker 1: was also named Kingsley Ojo, a bogus asylum seeker who
Speaker 1: first came to London in nineteen ninety seven. Ojo, who
Speaker 1: used many different ideas, was arrested in London in two
Speaker 1: thousand and two by officers investigating the Adam case, and
Speaker 1: in his home they'd found a plastic bag, a mixture
Speaker 1: of bone, sand, and flecks of gold, very similar to
Speaker 1: what they'd found in Adam's stomach. They also found a
Speaker 1: video marked Rituals, which showed a movie, but in the
Speaker 1: movie an actor.
Speaker 3: Gets its head cut off. His head cut.
Speaker 1: Off, and Ojo said that the movie and the mixture
Speaker 1: belong to other people in the house and detectives could
Speaker 1: never like definitively link him to Adam's case, but in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four he did get four and a
Speaker 1: half years for smuggling people. So he was much like
Speaker 1: the character in the episode, not directly responsible for the
Speaker 1: murder or anything, but was a child trafficker. He contacted
Speaker 1: officers during his sentence much like this guy was trying
Speaker 1: to like give out info to like save his own skin.
Speaker 1: He contacted officers during his jail time and sentencing to
Speaker 1: offer help with the Adam case, but they deported him
Speaker 1: to Nigeria. They didn't believe he really knew anything. But
Speaker 1: then another article I read said that he did help
Speaker 1: them for a couple of years, but I think that
Speaker 1: they did he eventually didn't have anything, Like he gave
Speaker 1: them information about a woman that was ended up being
Speaker 1: a dead end, and he didn't really have anything. I
Speaker 1: think he was trying to save his own skin and
Speaker 1: not get deported. But Nick Chalmers, who was this at
Speaker 1: this point, retired. He said he'd always had an eye
Speaker 1: on Ojo and knew that, but also knew that Joyce
Speaker 1: had mental health problems and was on medication. So even
Speaker 1: this article that I found says the headline is Torso
Speaker 1: case boy quote unquote identified like, so the word identified
Speaker 1: is in quotes because it's like they're kind of putting
Speaker 1: out an article releasing what this woman Joyce is saying,
Speaker 1: but it's not definitive. And he has never to this
Speaker 1: day been successfully identified, and no one has been charged
Speaker 1: with his murder. But yeah, Ojo was arrested in with
Speaker 1: twenty others in a series of immigration linked raids across
Speaker 1: London in July twenty thirteen as well. So he's done
Speaker 1: multiple stints in jail time and is not stopping his
Speaker 1: people smuggling. And he's also from ben In City and yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's right. It's very sad. They still don't know
Speaker 1: who this kid is. Another case. Originally this was only
Speaker 1: ever listed as being about the Adam case, but since
Speaker 1: it's been linked to another case and it seems pretty
Speaker 1: similar but in different ways.
Speaker 3: The Ifioma and Prosper udag Wu case.
Speaker 1: So Ifioma is a New York City child welfare worker
Speaker 1: and Prosper is her husband, and they are arrested in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine on charges that they forced a Nigerian
Speaker 1: girl to be their servant for nine years, beating her
Speaker 1: to the point that she was scarred. Prosper Amica udag
Speaker 1: Wu and Ifioma Ezianu udag Wu, who lived in Elmsford,
Speaker 1: New York, were charged in a ten count complaint in
Speaker 1: New York Federal Court. They were accused of conspiracy, smuggling
Speaker 1: illegal immigrants, involuntary servitude, witness tampering, and making balse statements.
Speaker 1: Prosecutors said that if Yoma is employed by New York's CPS,
Speaker 1: where her duties include investigating child abuse case and that
Speaker 1: she'd been employed there since nineteen eighty eight, but she
Speaker 1: was suspended without pay when she got arrested. So yeah,
Speaker 1: her job involves investigating child abuse, like placing kids in
Speaker 1: foster homes, so it's really wild that she's like mistreating
Speaker 1: a child in her own home. Jerry Tritz, who is
Speaker 1: prosperous attorney, said his client believed that the girl was
Speaker 1: his daughter from a previous relationship. They are claiming that
Speaker 1: her family, the young girl's family tricked him being like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is your daughter from another relationship, like you need
Speaker 1: to take her in, And he denied that she was
Speaker 1: held prisoner and that said she graduated from public high
Speaker 1: school and was living with them and is now going
Speaker 1: to college and job's faery and they're giving her financial help.
Speaker 1: But in nineteen eighty nine, the girl was thirteen, the
Speaker 1: couple promised her a better life in the USA, but
Speaker 1: then once she was in New York, the couple, who
Speaker 1: had four kids, made her work without pay as a
Speaker 1: maid and a babysitter in their home in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: She was told she would be responsible for all household chores,
Speaker 1: including cooking, cleaning, yard work, laundry, caring for and feeding
Speaker 1: the children, and that she would not be paid. She
Speaker 1: couldn't speak to anyone, she was not allowed to use
Speaker 1: the phone. They took away her idea in documents. They
Speaker 1: threatened to harm her family, and they beat her very severely,
Speaker 1: and she had a lot of marks from being beaten.
Speaker 1: When she was eventually went to authorities. When she disobeyed
Speaker 1: rules or made mistakes, she was beaten by hand or
Speaker 1: with belts, slippers, brooms made of sticks like There's.
Speaker 3: A lot of horrible details.
Speaker 1: The Adaguos were charged with immigration fraud and involuntary servitude.
Speaker 1: He could face up to thirty five years. She could
Speaker 1: face up to twenty five. I don't know why there's
Speaker 1: a difference in their sentencings. At the arraignment. The defense
Speaker 1: their lawyers tried to attack this girl's credibility, saying she
Speaker 1: was treated well and that like, yeah, this guy was
Speaker 1: tricked into believing that this was her daughter. The family
Speaker 1: was like, we let the girl attend Evander Child's High
Speaker 1: School in the Bronx and Mercy College, and we even
Speaker 1: took her with us to Disneyland. It's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: could like have a slave. I guess you would take
Speaker 1: your slave to Disneyland once a year. That doesn't like
Speaker 1: kind of absorb everything that's happened. But there was an
Speaker 1: assistant US attorney, Jennifer Moore, who was like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: girl only was allowed to go to school. Once neighbors
Speaker 1: started being like, what's up. You have four kids that
Speaker 1: are living a normal life, what's up with this girl?
Speaker 1: But the dogs are both naturalized Americans and were accused
Speaker 1: of making fraudulent statements to obtain citizenship, So there's a
Speaker 1: separate crime with this family. They had brought a ten
Speaker 1: year old girl to their home from Nigeria during the eighties,
Speaker 1: and that girl said that she was sexually assaulted by
Speaker 1: the mother's brother, Gregory Izianu, so she was sent back
Speaker 1: to Nigeria after she set the basement of their house
Speaker 1: on fire. A second girl, twelve, arrived in Nigeria and
Speaker 1: moved in with mister Izianu.
Speaker 3: This is the uncle in the early nineties.
Speaker 1: He sexually assaulted her and she became pregnant, and exact
Speaker 1: dates for the assault and fire were not available, but
Speaker 1: the brother was convicted of the sexual assault in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two. The girl was later returned to Africa and
Speaker 1: he served a one year sentence on Riker's Island before dying.
Speaker 2: In nineteen When I go to Africa, did she want
Speaker 2: to say?
Speaker 3: In the States? Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe by the time, but maybe by the time she
Speaker 1: was like impregnated and sexually assaulted, she was like, I'd
Speaker 1: rather go back to my homeland and I don't really
Speaker 1: want to make a life here, or like she'd wanted
Speaker 1: to if she was who, I don't know.
Speaker 3: There was not a lot of information.
Speaker 1: I was like, if she like, if she kept the child,
Speaker 1: maybe she needed help raising it, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: And as part of the bronx DA's investigation into that
Speaker 1: rape case, they spoke with the Adoguos and the girl
Speaker 1: in question. In nineteen ninety two, and both times the girl,
Speaker 1: then sixteen, was ordered to say that she loved living
Speaker 1: with the family and taking care of the kids, and
Speaker 1: she said what they wanted her to say. So in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, mister Adogwu presented this girl as his
Speaker 1: daughter to immigration and naturalization officials and got a false
Speaker 1: screen card for her, and in ninety six he ordered
Speaker 1: her to begin working in Wendy's and Burger King restaurants,
Speaker 1: taking all her paychecks and putting the proceeds into his
Speaker 1: own bank accounts.
Speaker 3: Fucked.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety eight, the girl, now she speaks English,
Speaker 1: approaches a stranger with her story and the person, who's
Speaker 1: not identified by officials, helps her apply for a separate
Speaker 1: passport and she was able to put away nine hundred
Speaker 1: dollars in savings like smuggle money away from these people,
Speaker 1: but the applications and money were discovered by the mother,
Speaker 1: miss A dog Wou, and the couple used records of
Speaker 1: local phone calls from their home to discover the workplace
Speaker 1: of the person who had helped her, and the girl
Speaker 1: was forced to identify this person who had helped her,
Speaker 1: and then the mother then assaulted and screamed quote unquote
Speaker 1: at this person, according to The New York Times, until
Speaker 1: a huge fight they had in August of nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: eight where neighbors called the police. Neighbors did not report
Speaker 1: any suspicions to the police or child welfare officials about
Speaker 1: this case. And there was a guy named Chris Traverzo
Speaker 1: twenty four who told The New York Times that he
Speaker 1: vividly remembers the fight, and he goes, quote, I was
Speaker 1: sitting on my porch just back from work when I
Speaker 1: heard screaming next door.
Speaker 3: It was horrible. I told my parents about it, and
Speaker 3: they said, mind your own business end quote. So sadly,
Speaker 3: we see this all the time, where like people are
Speaker 3: being abused, and like neighbors are like, even though they
Speaker 3: are like something's up, they don't call anyone. So I
Speaker 3: don't actually know what ended up happening with those people.
Speaker 3: I don't know where they're whether they served jail time
Speaker 3: or not. There was no more information, but hopefully they did.
Speaker 2: Well we live in a nightmare, yes, and anyone that
Speaker 2: believes in God's an idiot.
Speaker 3: All right, let's move it along, No guest, just I
Speaker 3: guess sadness.
Speaker 1: This episode is this is a haunting one like just
Speaker 1: Michael Emerson's so creepy that like just's he barely seems
Speaker 1: sorry when he gets caught, like he's just kind of
Speaker 1: like no, and.
Speaker 2: He's never nervous, like that's you know, versus voice. He's
Speaker 2: very much like what But I wonder inside is you're
Speaker 2: heart beating when you're a socio or you still don't care.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's how they like beat Lie detectors because they
Speaker 1: could just stay so chill and calm and not like
Speaker 1: an unaffected But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ritual is one of the saddest and like to me,
Speaker 2: I just it breaks my soul.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's sad. These are people's lives. These
Speaker 3: are kids.
Speaker 2: Kids are chained up, they're in trucks, they're being used,
Speaker 2: they're like doing labor.
Speaker 3: It sucks. This is like so sad to be a
Speaker 3: little boy.
Speaker 2: Like oh and you know, you guys, I know it's
Speaker 2: tough in other countries sometimes, but like no one's taking
Speaker 2: you to America for free.
Speaker 3: We gotta we gotta get that. Like I do not
Speaker 3: trust anybody, trust no one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they the story of Adam is so sad too.
Speaker 1: I mean, like again, another story that kind of got
Speaker 1: brushed aside a little bit because of the magnitude of
Speaker 1: nine to eleven and its presence in the press, but
Speaker 1: like I wish, I mean, it did sound like in
Speaker 1: the end the detectives pushed really hard and got Nelson
Speaker 1: Mandela to talk about it, and they tried to identify
Speaker 1: this kid. It's just so sad that like a family
Speaker 1: never got closure and this like poor child was never
Speaker 1: like I mean, I guess they tried to like lay
Speaker 1: him to rest in a respectful way, but he was.
Speaker 3: Like never identified. It's so terrible. But yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: know post mortem lessons, Uh, don't go out.
Speaker 1: If you go out of town for two months and
Speaker 1: you call your husband after a month and Sam coming
Speaker 1: home and he gets pissed at you, something is fucking
Speaker 1: up for sure, and hopefully it's just an affair.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, because was he not going to
Speaker 2: kill the kid if she didn't come home early?
Speaker 3: Or is he always killing the kids?
Speaker 2: Or is this because its not the first time we've
Speaker 2: done this, Like it's kids, go, does he sell them?
Speaker 1: Like I just I don't want to, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you would, I don't know, like maybe he has Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Like, but he was in a hurry,
Speaker 1: like maybe he's killed other kids where he's gotten rid
Speaker 1: of them in a way where like they won't be found,
Speaker 1: you know, But this time he was like it had
Speaker 1: to be quick, so I may, like I mean to
Speaker 1: have the wherewithal to like chop up the body, plant
Speaker 1: part of it here, like and make it look like
Speaker 1: Santa Ria. Like it was like he actually had a
Speaker 1: pretty thought through plan considering his wife was coming home
Speaker 1: from I don't know what a six hour flight or something,
Speaker 1: but yeah.
Speaker 2: And gave the pouch. Yeah, and it shows everyone's a suspect.
Speaker 1: And it's like a disgusting look at like these rich
Speaker 1: people because like if anybody could afford to pay like
Speaker 1: above minimum wage, like good hours benefits two people. It's
Speaker 1: like the women like this woman who lives on Park
Speaker 1: Avenue or whatever and it is part of like a
Speaker 1: flower club, but instead she's like hiring some thirteen year
Speaker 1: old child that she bought to like work for no
Speaker 1: money as a slave.
Speaker 2: Like it's so wild, it's wild. Yeah, the rich are
Speaker 2: so cheap, and she thought she did nothing wrong. She
Speaker 2: was like annoyed to have to cooperate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because she doesn't see that little girl
Speaker 1: as a person or you know, any of those children
Speaker 1: as people. But yeah, that scene at the end with
Speaker 1: all the kids like chained into the thing is really
Speaker 1: like burned in my brain forever.
Speaker 3: And I know I've like been.
Speaker 1: Vocal on this podcast about like, well, child trafficking is
Speaker 1: not like the numbers are inflated, Like I would say
Speaker 1: that from what I've learned and read about, Like the
Speaker 1: numbers are not as inflated. It's just like a lot
Speaker 1: of times they're being forced into servitude. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: you know, sex slave and abasement, boogeyman type of stuff.
Speaker 3: But yeah, all the time.
Speaker 2: And I think what your point is and what people
Speaker 2: are trying to say is like it's families selling their kid.
Speaker 2: It's an uncle, it's an aunt. It's not stranger danger.
Speaker 1: It's not vans picking up your kid on their don't
Speaker 1: have to like tie your.
Speaker 2: Baby's ankle to the target, you know, shopping bart But
Speaker 2: if that makes you feel better, that's fine, But it's
Speaker 2: not like you care more about your kid.
Speaker 3: Just listen. It's some.
Speaker 2: It's like wellness, mother, like something happens. It's like quan
Speaker 2: on adjacent to me, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the episode of You're Wrong About That
Speaker 1: I always talk about starts with that like Wayfair thing,
Speaker 1: which was very cute adjacent and like that's where they
Speaker 1: get into all the child trafficking talk.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I gave that one. Yeah, I believe in
Speaker 3: the Wayfair one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: remember talking to you and Julie about it and being
Speaker 3: like okay, and then I just like I didn't know
Speaker 3: until I listened to that You're Wrong about like how
Speaker 3: it really like went down. But uh now I own
Speaker 3: stuff from Wayfair, so yeah, I think it was. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's okay. I don't think Wayfair is trafficking anybody, so
Speaker 3: you're good. I think everyone's trafficking. I think the whole
Speaker 3: government simpol I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll see who what this p didty shit shows and
Speaker 2: if he will be murdered like an Epstein because he's
Speaker 2: got names. But I know there's like the woman I follow.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know, she goes viral a lot. She's
Speaker 2: a really she's just like really articulate, like she just
Speaker 2: is so smooth in her communication, and she has a
Speaker 2: feminist podcast. And then like a dude speaks for the
Speaker 2: male perspective and she's really just like good at Gotcha's,
Speaker 2: but in a sweet, not aggressive way. But she was
Speaker 2: talking about the p did anything to this man? And
Speaker 2: we talk about this all the time, but it was
Speaker 2: like all these dudes were around him, all these friends,
Speaker 2: like all of you saw all of you saw that
Speaker 2: and none of you no man, like twenty plus thirty
Speaker 2: years and maybe they thought he was gonna kill them,
Speaker 2: but it's just like for money, for what you all
Speaker 2: had his back. You all knew he was abusing women.
Speaker 2: I think he killed kim Porter. Like you all sat there,
Speaker 2: you didn't know he beat Cassie? Fuck all of you?
Speaker 3: Do you know? Was there ever?
Speaker 1: Like you know how like for years there was gossip
Speaker 1: about Ellen being a bitch, and like for years there
Speaker 1: was like Louis c k whispers before that came out,
Speaker 1: and like so were there whispers about Diddy? Like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember if I've like heard about that minus
Speaker 1: like oh did he throws the white party?
Speaker 3: And did he has big parties?
Speaker 1: Like were there like people talking, well, I wore the
Speaker 1: Cassie stuff, and I think it was I think when
Speaker 1: I started finding out was Kim Porter his wife.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, he killed her, Like that's when.
Speaker 2: I started becoming like, oh he's something's up. And then
Speaker 2: it was Dannity Kane's stuff. I feel like that's when
Speaker 2: I became in the know. But I do think black
Speaker 2: culture is not as mainstream, like I think the black
Speaker 2: community knew. I think people that are no hip hop knew,
Speaker 2: but like I don't think it mixes as much, like
Speaker 2: I don't think we know a lot. So now I'm
Speaker 2: getting all these like black conspiracy theories in my feed,
Speaker 2: and I am you know, because they also think if
Speaker 2: you don't, there's have you heard this Beyonce one?
Speaker 3: Like jay Z. I've heard that jay Z is next
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: Well, so I guess if you win an award where
Speaker 2: Beyonce was nominated, you have to think Beyonce and the
Speaker 2: people that haven't have all been murdered or all been
Speaker 2: killed left eye Aliyah Michael Jackson Like, if you don't
Speaker 2: like think Beyonce, there's just like I don't.
Speaker 3: Believe, oh my god.
Speaker 2: But and then they're like, that's why Kanye interrupted Taylor.
Speaker 2: It was like to save her life because she But
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't buy that. I'm sorry, no, no,
Speaker 2: no God, but this like feminist girl is just making
Speaker 2: a good point where it's like you all don't think
Speaker 2: you're the bad guy. And it's back to that French
Speaker 2: woman where the whole neighborhood was like raping her while
Speaker 2: she was drugged by her husband, where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you guys keep saying all these good guys, but like
Speaker 2: you sat around because even I just saw an interview
Speaker 2: where like a musician or producer, like someone I don't know,
Speaker 2: showed up to the studio and went out to smoke
Speaker 2: weed or whatever, but pet did. He was into his
Speaker 2: girl whatever, and then when he came back from outside,
Speaker 2: she's like, why would you leave me in there with him?
Speaker 2: He's such a creep, And that's when he figured out,
Speaker 2: like they've known for decades. It's crazy, you know, like
Speaker 2: and I think they've been a.
Speaker 3: Part of it.
Speaker 2: I think they've been to the parties and I think
Speaker 2: ash shit, and I mean and all the clips resurfacing
Speaker 2: about like poor Justin Bieber.
Speaker 3: I know, the.
Speaker 1: Bieber clip made me really uncomfortable. There's like a few
Speaker 1: like it, truly, like it's really sad, like Justin Bieber.
Speaker 2: You see the fear, You see the fear in him,
Speaker 2: Paddy like yeah, but now there's Salma Hayak. But they
Speaker 2: also a lot of this stuff is coming out from
Speaker 2: people that like think Hollywood is like the most depraved
Speaker 2: of it all, and it's like, honey, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like the Catholic Church, the government, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: I mean it's everything. Bad things are happening in our
Speaker 1: backyards at all times.
Speaker 3: I mean Hollywood is not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they love like it's all these Hollywood liberals
Speaker 2: like because now they're saying like Salma Hayek's married to
Speaker 2: this billionaire whose family owns like h like what.
Speaker 3: Is it mesh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's part of Balenciaga, and Balenciaga does child
Speaker 2: right Because then they were.
Speaker 3: On a like Graham Norton's cout what's his name?
Speaker 2: Not Graham gram Norton, It is the one that the
Speaker 2: British cutie like kay cuty okay, yeah yeah, and so
Speaker 2: and then it was like someone talking about Diddy and
Speaker 2: like Samahayak's eyes opened, like you know, but we're reading
Speaker 2: into all these things. But I think people knew about Diddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can dots like you can connect a lot
Speaker 1: of different dots if you want.
Speaker 3: I also, maybe this was just a few years ago.
Speaker 2: But I was under the impression or I believe that
Speaker 2: he killed Biggie to get ownership of the music.
Speaker 3: WHOA wow, because.
Speaker 2: There's a meme where you know, Biggie has like one
Speaker 2: loose eye and they're like he knew he had to
Speaker 2: keep one eye on Ditty at all times. Oh, there's
Speaker 2: also like I don't know if it's changed. There's also
Speaker 2: another interview left it so Hard. There's also another interview
Speaker 2: where like P Diddy. Oh, it's with Mike Tyson and
Speaker 2: P Diddy tries to like touch him, and Mike Tyson
Speaker 2: like moves over, moves his hand and like stares him down.
Speaker 1: There's all this stuff's coming out. Everyone knew, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I mean, like whatever, there's power. People don't think they
Speaker 1: can do anything. People think if they speak up, they're
Speaker 1: gonna get killed. Like I know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: different things involved, but it's fucked up that they that
Speaker 1: that it was allowed to happen, because it's like people
Speaker 1: like Ashton Kutcher, it's like you have power, you know.
Speaker 2: Well for him, it would be the most sinister if
Speaker 2: it came out, because it's like with the organization and
Speaker 2: like I save people for you know, it wouldn't be
Speaker 2: the first time. Yeah, Hank Hank Abraham's view, Yeah yeah
Speaker 2: episode Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also like but also the way he was like
Speaker 1: kind of weirdly standing by Danny Masterson and then was like, oh,
Speaker 1: just kidding what you know, Like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's wild. But let's get into what would
Speaker 1: sister Peg do? Because we could talk conspiracy theories all day.
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we point you guys
Speaker 1: towards an organization, an article, a book, something to give
Speaker 1: you more info about what we talked about. And I
Speaker 1: was just think about all of those children in the
Speaker 1: truck that they found and how they're going to integrate
Speaker 1: into society. So I wanted to point you to the
Speaker 1: No Me Network. Their mission is to end human trafficking
Speaker 1: by creating safe pathways to employment and to empower women
Speaker 1: and girls to break cycles of exploitation in their families
Speaker 1: and communities. Their process for creating employment opportunities for trafficked
Speaker 1: women includes addressing barriers to work, like life and technical
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