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Speaker 2: let's get to the show everything. Good morning, everybody, it

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Speaker 2: is Thursday. We have a big show for today. What

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is a lot to get into.

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Speaker 1: We are going to update you on a horrific mass

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Speaker 1: shooting out of Maine. We also have actually some good

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Speaker 1: news UAW striking a tentative deal with Ford.

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Speaker 4: We're going to bring you that.

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Speaker 1: We also, of course, have a lot that is happening

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Speaker 1: in Israel and with Gaza Biden down playing civilian deaths.

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Speaker 1: A ground invasion does appear imminent, but some real questions

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Speaker 1: remain there. We also do have a house speaker, boy

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Speaker 1: has he said some things. We're going to get into

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Speaker 1: who he is, what he might do, and what the

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Speaker 1: landscape looks like there. We also have the new York

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Speaker 1: Times going to war with US intel community over the

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Speaker 4: Very interesting.

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Speaker 1: We'll bring you all of the details there and you

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Speaker 1: can decide for yourself what's going on. Al Jazeera targeted

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Speaker 1: directly by Israeli bomb's horrific story. We'll bring you that

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Speaker 1: one as well. And on a somewhat lighter note, Hollywood

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Speaker 1: kind of melting down right now over exactly how to

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Speaker 1: properly virtue signal Yes, with all of the atrocities being

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're excited to position in particular to talk about

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Speaker 2: that one. Before we actually get to that, though, there's

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Speaker 2: a piece of major breaking news we just wanted to

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Several people have been murdered in May Lewistown, Maine after

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Speaker 2: a man who is likely Robert carrd who's been named

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Speaker 2: as a person of interest. Photos released of that man

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Speaker 2: in a mass shooting incident at a bar in Lewistown, Maine.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, now, the details on this remain and

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Speaker 2: still coming out. They show photos released by the Sheriff's

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Speaker 2: through and murdering people. That death toll, Crystal is unknown

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Speaker 2: right now. At this time, mister Robert Carr of Boden,

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Speaker 2: Maine is the person of interest as I said, it

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Speaker 2: was named by law enforcement. He is actually a firearms

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Speaker 2: unfortunately for mister Card. One document that's been circulated to

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Speaker 2: law enforcement officials. Crystal said that Carr has been committed

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Speaker 3: So, okay, that's what we know about him so far.

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Speaker 2: Has not yet been apprehended by law enforcement, but it

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Speaker 3: But it's not small. It's fortunately horrific.

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Speaker 1: It looks like this occurred at multiple locations, both a

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Speaker 1: He is considered to be armed and dangerous. They said

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Speaker 1: So our hearts break for the community there, for the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to be the big question about how

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Speaker 2: the situation so far. It's a terrible, terrible event. The

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Speaker 2: Bates College students classes are canceled and they're anxiously awaiting.

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Speaker 2: You know, probably a lot of terrified parents out there.

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Speaker 2: The advisory from law enforcements don't approach him. He's considered,

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Speaker 2: Israel and palsign. There's a major breaking news yesterday from

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Speaker 3: And also coding it basically as a holy war.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any other way to describe some

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Speaker 5: Our war against Hamas is a test for all of humanity.

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Speaker 5: It is a struggle between the access of evil of Iran,

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Speaker 5: We are the people of the light. They are the

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Speaker 5: role is to lead all Israelis, the State of Israel,

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Speaker 5: and the people of Israel to an overpowering victory. It

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Speaker 5: is now a time to come together for one purpose,

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Speaker 5: to storm ahead to achieve victory in joint with a

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Speaker 3: Together, we will fight together, we will win.

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Speaker 2: That translation there from I twenty four or Israeli news

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Speaker 2: in order to quote prepare the battlefield before the widely

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Speaker 2: And then the preview also a framing into the Israeli

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Speaker 1: Including the new Speaker of the House, which we'll get

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Speaker 1: And this is caught up in the whole like End

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Speaker 1: saying it is an indication of the entire land from

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Speaker 1: We are the people of the light and they are

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Speaker 1: And actually they just passed, you know, first at order

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Speaker 1: So let's be clear about the type of language and

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Speaker 2: I also think it was not a mistake to put

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Speaker 4: Part of why we always tell light and people of darkness.

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Speaker 2: You always tell you, you know, you got to pay

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Speaker 2: attention very closely what's being messages to us and what

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Speaker 2: Hamas does it to It's very important always to see

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Speaker 2: that the information war.

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Speaker 3: Is huge, probably the biggest part of all of this.

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Speaker 2: On top of that, as you said, President Biden addressed

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Speaker 6: And we will ensure Israel has what it needs to

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Speaker 6: defend itself against these terrorists. That's a guarantee. We also

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Speaker 6: have to remember that Hamas does not represent we say

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Speaker 6: it again, Hamas does not represent the vast majority of

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Speaker 1: why he has very little credibility, and he also has

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Speaker 1: very little credibility because you know, they're just in terms

440
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Speaker 1: of like basic security services, very much unable to deliver.

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Speaker 1: I mean, most of the residents of the West Bank

442
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Speaker 1: are effectively on their own when it comes to trying

443
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Speaker 1: to fend off attacks from Jewish settlers or certainly from

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Speaker 1: the IDF et cetera. One of the lines that they

445
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Speaker 1: mentioned in that Wall Street Journal article about why so

446
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Speaker 1: many weapons are flowing into the West Bank, which you know,

447
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Speaker 1: as Americans who are very much committed to the Second

448
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Speaker 1: Amendment and right to self defense, et cetera, you may

449
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Speaker 1: be able to relate to an arms dealer in the

450
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Speaker 1: West Banks that he sells hundreds of weapons every month,

451
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Speaker 1: mostly to people who are organizing to defend their villages

452
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Speaker 1: in the absence of coordinated Palestinian security. So you have,

453
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Speaker 1: you know, a population that is increasingly armed, that have

454
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Speaker 1: armed themselves to try to defend themselves in their own villages.

455
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Speaker 1: You have this incredible, unchecked, unaccountable violence being perpetrated from

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Speaker 1: Jewish settlers and also from the IDF. And you have

457
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Speaker 1: the horrific atrocities that are being committed in Gaza that

458
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Speaker 1: they are seeing every single day on their phones, on

459
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Speaker 1: their TVs. You know, however, they're getting their news, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: you better believe this is an absolute powder cake. This

461
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Speaker 1: is actually where Nyahu and his government and his coalition partners,

462
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Speaker 1: they were more worried about spikes and violists out of

463
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Speaker 1: the West Bank than they were out of Gaza. Now,

464
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Speaker 1: they ended up obviously being wrong, but that doesn't mean

465
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Speaker 1: there was nothing to their concerns because there have been

466
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Speaker 1: so many provocations and so much escalating violence there already

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And we have some of the footage

469
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Speaker 2: out of Gaza, and you know, just a warning for everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's very very graphic we could see here. This is

471
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Speaker 2: actually one that was posted which showed major air strikes.

472
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Speaker 2: This is obviously just a market area. I mean much

473
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Speaker 2: of this just is very reminiscent of exactly.

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Speaker 3: What it looked like during the Iraq War.

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Speaker 2: This one is a supermarket where a bomb hit very

476
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Speaker 2: close by and people began sprinting out with the security camera.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the more difficult ones to watch.

478
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Speaker 2: Just as a content warning. The person who's being pulled

479
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Speaker 2: out here is actually a small child out of rubble,

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Speaker 2: and scenes like this are you know, obviously repeating all

481
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Speaker 2: across of Gaza. You have like a little boy there

482
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Speaker 2: who is help being helped here at least out of

483
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Speaker 2: the rubble. So unfortunately, this is just this is what

484
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Speaker 2: the reality of the life is like inside Gazi. You

485
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Speaker 2: see a little child there again being carried. And I

486
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Speaker 2: can just guarantee you that every single one of those

487
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Speaker 2: is being shared, is being spread. It's on Facebook, it's

488
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Speaker 2: on Twitter, and you know, think about our own politics.

489
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Speaker 2: You know, one video of George Floyd set the whole

490
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Speaker 2: country on fire.

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Speaker 3: This is like that. Time's very much.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to say again, this is before

493
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Speaker 2: the entire invasion has begun. We had a little bit

494
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Speaker 2: of we had a little bit of a taste from

495
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Speaker 2: it yesterday with tanks and all that rolling in there.

496
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Speaker 2: You know, think about it's like you have to reach

497
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Speaker 2: back to almost a decade before of American combat forces

498
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Speaker 2: to even preview what things are going to look like.

499
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Speaker 2: It is literally going to be an appear in some

500
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Speaker 2: cases like out of a movie or a video game,

501
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Speaker 2: and not in a good way. So anyway, I think

502
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Speaker 2: that's a good understanding here of the forthcoming invasion. A

503
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Speaker 2: lot of the things that are at play, We're going

504
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Speaker 2: to turn. Now we're going to talk about the United

505
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Speaker 2: States and it's role and how it expects its military

506
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Speaker 2: to be engaged. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is from the Wall Street Journal, and this is

508
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a conundrum. It's a difficult headline

509
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Speaker 2: to work through. But as we come through some of

510
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Speaker 2: the reporting, I think it'll all begin to make sense.

511
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Speaker 2: They say that Israel agrees to delay Gaza invasion to

512
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Speaker 2: allow us to prepare defenses. So the subtext really of

513
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Speaker 2: the article is that the United States, and we've brought

514
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Speaker 2: you the discrete numbers, but we have sent now thousands

515
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Speaker 2: of American troops and service members directly to the region.

516
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Speaker 2: On top of that, we have surged two carrier strike groups,

517
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Speaker 2: costing who knows untold amounts of.

518
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Speaker 3: Billions firepower to the region.

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Speaker 2: On top of that, we sent one of our most

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Speaker 2: sophisticated anti missile defense systems to the region, the FAD

521
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Speaker 2: missile battery. On top of that, we also sent extra

522
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Speaker 2: patriot batteries. You don't do any of this if you

523
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Speaker 2: expect to fight Hesbola. You don't especially don't do this

524
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Speaker 2: if you expect to fight Hamas. You only do this

525
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Speaker 2: if you expect to fight a advanced conventional military force

526
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Speaker 2: where there is only one that wouldld potentially be involved

527
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Speaker 2: in this, and that's called Iran. They are almost certain

528
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Speaker 2: at this point that something is going to pop off.

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Speaker 2: Now is it going to be with the actual sovereign

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Speaker 2: nation of Iran or is it going to be with

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Speaker 2: Iranian proxies on the proxy front. We are already in

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Speaker 2: a military combat situation with them.

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Speaker 3: We just don't even want to admit it. Let's put

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Speaker 3: this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: The Pentagon has now admitted and held this information from

536
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Speaker 2: US for days until it was leaked privately to journalists.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four US troops have now been injured in attacks

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Speaker 2: since the Gaza War began. The Biden administration has, they say,

539
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: withheld these details about these incidents for days, even though

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Speaker 2: they acknowledge that service members are under a heightened risk

541
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Speaker 2: and Crystal just overnight, another US base in Syria was attacked.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it bears a question of why we have

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Speaker 2: a thousand people in Syria. But my big one would be,

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Speaker 2: if we're gonna have a thousand people, can we make

545
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Speaker 2: sure that these people are safe? I mean, they're under

546
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Speaker 2: at this point bombardment from drones, from rockets, and in

547
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Speaker 2: some cases from missiles from god knows where are we

548
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Speaker 2: sure that we have the requisent capabilities and stuff to

549
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Speaker 2: deter that, because what we're really learning is how vulnerable

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Speaker 2: our people are.

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Speaker 3: And these are in Iraq and in Syria.

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Speaker 2: Again, have not even mentioned the thousands of troops in Bahrain,

553
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Speaker 2: the people in Kuwait, the people in Doha. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we have soldiers all over the place in the Middle

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Speaker 2: East and bases which two weeks ago they were hanging

556
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Speaker 2: out and they had no clue that any of this

557
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Speaker 2: was going to happen, And now they're on a footing

558
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Speaker 2: where they could be attacked at any moment.

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Speaker 3: So this is really scary stuff.

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Speaker 2: With the carrier group, and again we've already had the

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Speaker 2: USS Carney of the guided Missile destroyer which had hours

562
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Speaker 2: long engagement shooting down freaking cruise missiles coming out of

563
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Speaker 2: Yemen allegedly being headed over to Israel. All signs crystal

564
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Speaker 2: point to US military engagement right now in the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: The only question is is will it evolve into a

566
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Speaker 2: full blown war with Iran or not? And I honestly

567
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Speaker 2: don't know. I think It's genuinely think it's a coin

568
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Speaker 2: toss at this point considering what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially just given the like belligerence from the Nan

570
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Speaker 1: Yahoo government, you know, his framing and belief that this

571
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Speaker 1: is some sort of a holy war. You certainly have

572
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Speaker 1: elements of that here within the US political class as well,

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham coming out and saying the same thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: I do think the Biden administration realizes how catastrophic it

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Speaker 1: would be to get into a direct war with Iran.

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Speaker 4: You know, we brought you.

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Speaker 1: The graphic from the what's his name? We runs and

578
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Speaker 1: Barton with our guest today, Darryl Cooper. Darryl I want

579
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Speaker 1: to call him, Brett Darryl Cooper about how Look, we're

580
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: talking about like a draft, we're talking about massive regional

581
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Speaker 1: I mean, you were talking about World War three. When

582
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Speaker 1: you're talking about war with Iran and along religious like

583
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Speaker 1: holy war lines.

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Speaker 4: This is a catastrophe.

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Speaker 1: So I do believe that the Biden administration knows this

586
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Speaker 1: would not be a good thing. They're not that dumb.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that we won't end up there.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason why they've tried to downplay and I

589
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Speaker 1: actually sort of appreciate it. Tried to downplay the attacks

590
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Speaker 1: on our troops in the region. First of all, it

591
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Speaker 1: does raise the question among many Americans of like.

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Speaker 4: Wait, why are we there anyway?

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Speaker 1: Like did I grien what are our troops doing in

594
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Speaker 1: these areas at this point anyway? So there's that, But

595
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Speaker 1: also because they are very worried about the way that

596
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Speaker 1: public sentiment, by the way that the war drums can

597
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Speaker 1: start beating the interest that by the way defense contractors

598
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Speaker 1: are admitting how excited they are about the possibility.

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Speaker 4: Of a broader war.

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Speaker 1: They're talking about this on earnings call, like yay, we'll

601
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Speaker 1: get to make more money. There are a lot of

602
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Speaker 1: forces beyond just the president of the United States that

603
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Speaker 1: could push us in this direction. There's a couple of

604
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Speaker 1: things to say about this possible ground invasion you mentioned

605
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Speaker 1: there were you know, the tanks that went in and

606
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: some kind of a raid overnight. It's like bulldozed paths

607
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: and seemingly to ease the path of a ground invasion,

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Speaker 1: you now have had multiple delays, effectively at the request

609
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Speaker 1: of the United States. First it was let's work on

610
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Speaker 1: negotiating on the hostages. Now it's hey, give us some

611
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Speaker 1: time to get defenses in the region in case this

612
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Speaker 1: really pops off and we end up directly engaged. But

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Speaker 1: there is also some indication here that Netnaho himself is

614
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Speaker 1: interested in delaying, dragging out, and potentially limiting the ambition

615
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Speaker 1: and scope of this ultimate ground invasion. So Number one

616
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: recalled that net and Yahoo, before all of this happened,

617
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Speaker 1: was in serious political jeopardy, facing corruption charges, that Israel

618
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Speaker 1: was at war with itself in terms of these judicial

619
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Speaker 1: quote unquote reforms, trying to kneecap the independent judiciary, mass

620
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Speaker 1: nationwide protests, et cetera. And now he's even under war

621
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Speaker 1: fire because some ninety percent of the Israeli public blames

622
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Speaker 1: him in part for what was able to what Hamas

623
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Speaker 1: was able to perpetrate, for the intelligence failures, for the

624
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Speaker 1: military failures, etc. This is a man who built himself

625
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Speaker 1: as quote unquote mister security and said that his one

626
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Speaker 1: and only goal was to keep the Israeli people safe.

627
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Speaker 1: So you can see how people are feeling about him

628
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Speaker 1: given the manifest failures of what he said his primary

629
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Speaker 1: mission was as Prime Minister. So he has said that

630
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Speaker 1: there needs to be an inquiry and questions need to

631
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Speaker 1: be answered, even with regard to himself. But he says,

632
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Speaker 1: after the war's hover so he has a political, major

633
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Speaker 1: political motivation to drag his feet and drag things out

634
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Speaker 1: as long as possible.

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Speaker 4: That's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two, there seemed to be some indications that the

637
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Speaker 1: American warnings about, Hey, you all don't really know what

638
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: you're getting into here. This is not going to be easy,

639
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Speaker 1: This is going to be extraordinarily difficult. You have no

640
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Speaker 1: plan for what comes after. I would argue they actually

641
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: do have a plan, but you don't seem to know

642
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: what's going to come next. Do you really know what

643
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Speaker 1: you're getting yourself into. Combined with the fact that you

644
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Speaker 1: had these intelligence and security failures on octob October seventh,

645
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Speaker 1: could be could be giving nt Nyahu's some pause about

646
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Speaker 1: going all in with the full ground invasion. Now it's

647
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Speaker 1: very hard to tell what is real, what is misinformation?

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Speaker 1: What's a fate to try to get you know, Hamas

649
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Speaker 1: to let down their guard in Gaza. This is all

650
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Speaker 1: just speculation, but it is worth noting at this point

651
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Speaker 1: that this ground invasion has now been delayed and delayed

652
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Speaker 1: again and could could possibly be more limited than the

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Speaker 1: initial full scale all in move that was being signaled

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Speaker 1: early on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something I really want to talk about

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Speaker 2: with Darryl on the POT whenever we talked to him,

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Speaker 2: because he has said before that the IDF's military capability

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Speaker 2: and track record in the more modern wars is not

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Speaker 2: really the gold standard. Yeah, they're good at dropping bombs.

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Speaker 2: In terms of like fighting urban combat, they have a

661
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Speaker 2: pretty mixed record, so maybe they're realizing some of that.

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Speaker 2: I really think the main thing that's holding any of

663
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Speaker 2: this back at all is the prospect of a broader war.

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Speaker 2: Not only does pressure from the US, but pressure from

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Speaker 2: inside the region. One way we can show people this

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Speaker 2: is a recent interview with Queen Rania of Jordan. Queen Rania,

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Speaker 2: you know, the wife of King Abdullah of Jordan. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is a figure who's definitely more described as like

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Speaker 2: moderate inside of Jordanian society, and in this interview she

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Speaker 2: very clearly blames Israel. It also is because inside of

671
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Speaker 2: Jordan it's a powder keg. You give a massive Palestinian population,

672
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Speaker 2: the monarchy itself could be put at risk. But this,

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Speaker 2: I believe is an instance of the monarchy responding to

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Speaker 2: public sentiment inside of Jordan, which is outrage about the

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Speaker 2: situation in Gaza. Here is a preview of what you

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Speaker 2: know it looks like in the region and what she

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Speaker 2: said in this interview on CNN.

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Speaker 7: Equally, I think the people all around the Middle East,

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Speaker 7: including in Jordan, we are just shocked and disappointed by

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Speaker 7: the world's reaction to this catastrophe that is unfolding. In

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Speaker 7: the last couple of weeks, we have seen, you know,

682
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Speaker 7: a glaring double standard in the world. When October seventh happened,

683
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Speaker 7: the world immediately and unequivocally stood by Israel and it's

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Speaker 7: try to defend itself and condemned the attacks that happened.

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Speaker 7: But when we what we're seeing the last couple of

686
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Speaker 7: weeks we have, we're seeing silence in the world. You know,

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Speaker 7: the countries have stopped just expressing concern or acknowledging the casualties,

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Speaker 7: but always with the preface of declaration of support for Israel.

689
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Speaker 7: And you know, are we being told that it is

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Speaker 7: wrong to kill a family, an entire family at gunpoint,

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Speaker 7: but it's okay to shell them to death. I mean,

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Speaker 7: there is a glaring double standard here and it is

693
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Speaker 7: just shocking to the our world. This is the first

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Speaker 7: time modern history that there is such human suffering and

695
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Speaker 7: the world is not even calling for a ceasefire. So

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Speaker 7: the silence is deafening and to many in our region,

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Speaker 7: it makes the Western world complicit, you know, through their

698
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Speaker 7: support and through the cover that they give Israel that

699
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Speaker 7: it is just it's fright to defend itself. Many in

700
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Speaker 7: our world are looking at the Western world is not

701
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Speaker 7: just tolerating this, but as aiding and abtting it.

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Speaker 3: That is a very clear shot. Here at Washington.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you that lady probably spends more time

704
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Speaker 2: in Washington than she does back at home based upon

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Speaker 2: everything I know. Also, though they want to keep their crown,

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Speaker 2: they know what's going on. That is in my view

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Speaker 2: right now, it's funny the Saudi government, for example, the

708
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Speaker 2: Saudi government and the monarchy has put out an edict

709
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Speaker 2: where they're like, hey, stop spreading some of these videos.

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Speaker 3: Around about what's going on in Gaza. You know why

711
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Speaker 3: they don't want the population inflamed.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those situations where I really do

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Speaker 2: not believe that people in the West are at least

714
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Speaker 2: grappling with the level of like bottom up rage, which

715
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Speaker 2: will eventually erupt into something who knows what it will

716
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Speaker 2: look like. That interview is a good example of this.

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Speaker 8: Lady.

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Speaker 2: Her entire government, their whole regime is backed up by

719
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Speaker 2: the United States and has been for a long time.

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Speaker 2: So when she's going out there talking about the West

721
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Speaker 2: and blaming the West like that is a clear message. Also,

722
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Speaker 2: it was in English, again for a reason. It is

723
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Speaker 2: being minn clearly targeted. Agreed to directly to guys like

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Speaker 2: Jake Sullivan, Anthony Blincoln and President Biden, just to be like, hey,

725
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Speaker 2: just so you know, even your so called close allies,

726
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Speaker 2: why do you think her husband canceled the meeting with Biden?

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Speaker 2: You know, during all of that, there's there. While these

728
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Speaker 2: places may not be democracies, it does not mean that

729
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Speaker 2: like small d democratic like feeling is not bubbling up

730
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Speaker 2: to the government.

731
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Speaker 3: The governments want to survive.

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Speaker 2: That's the story really of every regime in the Middle East,

733
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Speaker 2: and they know where the power is right now and

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Speaker 2: if right now, if anything, they are a restraining force

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Speaker 2: on their population.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot to say about that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: first of all, it is worth noting she is herself Palestinian,

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Speaker 1: and there are many Palestinian refugees in Jordan, and so

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Speaker 1: as you say, even you know, in a place like

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Speaker 1: Jordan or a place in Saudi Arabia, even in a monarchy,

741
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Speaker 1: they are still concerned about, you know, their own population.

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Speaker 1: She's also correct about the double standard here. She's also

743
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Speaker 1: correct about how cowardly it is that there's not even

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Speaker 1: an ability to sign onto resolution for a ceasefire.

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Speaker 4: And to me, the.

746
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Speaker 1: Most important part of what she said is how she

747
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Speaker 1: said multiple times that watching this in the view of

748
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Speaker 1: the Arab world, the Western world is complicit, that we

749
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Speaker 1: in the US, and as you said, this is aimed

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Speaker 1: directly at the Biden administration, no doubt about it, that

751
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Speaker 1: we are complicit, that we are aiding and a betting.

752
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Speaker 4: What is happening there. And so as much as.

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Speaker 1: You like to keep your liberal, nice Internet nationalism humanitarian

754
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Speaker 1: face in the world and all the beautiful things you

755
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Speaker 1: said about democracy in Ukraine, et cetera, what is happening

756
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Speaker 1: on the ground in Gaza will not be forgotten. And

757
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: that you know, there is no controlling the rage that

758
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Speaker 1: it is sparking throughout the region and really actually uniting

759
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Speaker 1: a lot of very unlikely countries throughout the region in

760
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Speaker 1: you know, in common cause against what is happening on

761
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Speaker 1: the ground in Gaza. So it really should be seen

762
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Speaker 1: as like a warning shot at the US for what's

763
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Speaker 1: unfolding here. And we're going to talk a little bit

764
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Speaker 1: about Tony Blincoln going to Katar and trying to get

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Speaker 1: them to rein in what Al Jazeera is doing. And

766
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Speaker 1: you know, clearly the US is aware of how damaging

767
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Speaker 1: these images are and how you know, volatile this situation is.

768
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Speaker 1: So look, this is a powder keg and it could

769
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Speaker 1: create total chaos or are even chaotic situation, Let's be clear,

770
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Speaker 1: but that chaos could easily spread and ignite way out

771
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Speaker 1: of control. And even if the administration doesn't really want

772
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Speaker 1: to find itself in a war with Iran, that doesn't

773
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Speaker 1: mean that is any guarantee against it happening.

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Speaker 2: It's very much on the table right now. So we

775
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Speaker 2: finally have a speaker. As we all teased, it happening.

776
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Speaker 2: It only took what twenty nineteen days where the United

777
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Speaker 2: States didn't have a speaker, in my opinion, didn't really

778
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Speaker 2: change all that much.

779
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Speaker 3: But it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: Here is the moment that the vote happened, and that

781
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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson, representative from Louisiana, became the next Speaker of

782
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Speaker 2: the House.

783
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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

784
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Speaker 9: Well, Mike Johnson of the state of Louisiana has received

785
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Speaker 9: two hundred and twenty votes.

786
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Speaker 3: There it is.

787
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Speaker 2: He got two hundred and twenty votes. All the Republicans

788
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: actually united behind him. Honestly impressive feet after the multiple

789
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Speaker 2: defeats and all those things that happened. But it bears

790
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Speaker 2: the question, who is Mike Johnson?

791
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Speaker 7: Not?

792
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: The only ones asking people in Washington are like, who

793
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: the hell is this Guy's barely been in Congress that long?

794
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: What's his track record?

795
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Speaker 2: Johnson, based on my research, is probably the most conservative

796
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: like speaker aligned with the BASS since Newt gang Rich.

797
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: I don't think there's another way to describe it. But

798
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Speaker 2: Pastor Paul Ryan, Kevin McCarthy, and you're a missing painter.

799
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Speaker 2: These are all multi year creatures of the establishment, people

800
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Speaker 2: who had ties to the party. Sure they were swung,

801
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: you know, by the base, but this person is someone

802
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: I would really describe as a winger, not only just

803
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Speaker 2: in terms of like Maga sympathies, but deeply embedded in

804
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: the Capital C conservative movement for a long time, going

805
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: all the way back to some of the gay marriage fights,

806
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: which we will get into and just give you an

807
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: idea here he's asked about his vote not to certify

808
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty election. Here's how he and his colleagues

809
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 2: handled that question. A couple of days ago. Let's take

810
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: a listen. Election that was Virginia Fox the Congress, Zoman

811
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Speaker 2: there at the top side. Shut up, but it doesn't

812
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Speaker 2: derace I mean, it was a significant problem for Republicans

813
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Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty two mid terms. Johnson quote recruited

814
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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five Republicans to join him in

815
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Speaker 2: signing in the US Supreme Court brief saying that January

816
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Speaker 2: saying as much, and on January sixth, twenty twenty one,

817
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Speaker 2: that voted against certifying the elections. That brief was the

818
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Speaker 2: one filed by the state of Texas. So he not

819
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Speaker 2: only was a person who voted against certifying the results

820
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Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty election, he actually took a pretty

821
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Speaker 2: active role in getting some of his co workers to

822
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Speaker 2: sign on to that. Do you want to comment on

823
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Speaker 2: that before we move to entitlements and other things?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was thinking about this. You used

825
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: to used to talk about Josh Holly and high browse

826
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Speaker 1: top the steal. This is very much he's kind of

827
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Speaker 1: like that, and it sort of seems to typify his

828
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Speaker 1: whole approach to politics. You know, people talk about the

829
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 1: banality of evil. This is like the banality of extremism.

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Speaker 1: He has this, and I think this is why he's

831
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Speaker 1: able to win the quote unquote moderates, and he won unanimously. Okay,

832
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Speaker 1: every single even the most embattled Biden district Republicans voted

833
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Speaker 1: for this man who holds incredibly extreme positions as we're

834
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Speaker 1: about to get into. But moderates tend to not really

835
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Speaker 1: focus that much on actual policy, and for them it's

836
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Speaker 1: all about just like the decorum and the vibes and the.

837
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Speaker 4: Cordiality, etc.

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Speaker 1: So it's no surprise to me that in the end

839
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Speaker 1: they were cowed by this message of just like this

840
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: is embarrassing and it's messy, so we have to unite

841
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Speaker 1: behind someone and it doesn't really matter who that someone

842
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: ultimately is. So yeah, I think the fact that he

843
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: holds so many and is a true believer hard right,

844
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, real right wing positions in the party. As

845
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Speaker 1: you move into an election season where Republic paid dearly

846
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Speaker 1: in the last midterms because of their extremism on stop

847
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: the Steal and abortion in particular. Yeah, I think this

848
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Speaker 1: could be a real political.

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Speaker 2: Problem for them. The question is just how much Johnson

850
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Speaker 2: is a real major political figure now obviously somebody like Nancy,

851
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Speaker 2: how long even last, how long they last, whether or

852
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: honestly anyone cares. I mean, it used to be Kevin McCarthy,

853
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Speaker 2: Paul Ryan, John Bayinner. They were titans, not because of

854
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Speaker 2: the control necessarily of the House. They raised a ton

855
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Speaker 2: of money. I'm talking about hundreds of millions of dollars.

856
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: Same with Nancy Pelosi. They did not live in Washington

857
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Speaker 2: or even their district. These were like warriors who were

858
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Speaker 2: always on the plane, this fundraiser, that fundraiser.

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Speaker 3: Tuesday morning, I'm here in this city. Tuesday night, I'm

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Speaker 3: in this city.

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Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, I'm in another city, and I have a

862
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Speaker 2: reception at every single one. Every hour of their time

863
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: is scheduled. It's around fundraising. Fundraising is the nexus of power,

864
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Speaker 2: because that's why people listen to them in the first place.

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Speaker 3: Is he going to do that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, his fundraising track record is like a

867
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Speaker 2: million dollars. He's got a three hundred x his return.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do the big donors in New York and

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00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: in California, like, do they even know who this guy is?

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Speaker 2: Probably not, He's never been to any of those meetings.

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Speaker 2: That is a Titanic like personal life burden that he's

872
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 2: now got to bear on top of running the house,

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00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: on top of is this the real ceter of policy?

874
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: Ryan was a cetter of policy, There's no question about. Yeah,

875
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: he was a policy guy. Kevin he never cared about policy.

876
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: He just decided to go with whatever. Gingrich though, was

877
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: a real policy person, and Bayner kind of was also

878
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: in his own way.

879
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: Who knows.

880
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: This is the big question of like, is he going

881
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: to get dragged because he just doesn't want like drag

882
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: to wherever the center of the party is and allow.

883
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: Other people to negotiate.

884
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: Probably or likely I think, but on his own positions.

885
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: And this is where the big question is is will

886
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: he become a national figure somebody that Democrats can run against.

887
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: He certainly embodies, you know, much of the most unpopular

888
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: parts of the Republican Party from the twenty twenty election,

889
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: but also on entitle in programs. As I said, This

890
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 2: is a very traditional conservative Republican.

891
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say in the past, the

892
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: safety net programs.

893
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 10: But the reality is they're headed towards bankruptcy in just

894
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 10: a few number of years. So security goes belly up,

895
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 10: so does Medicare, Medicaid, all of these big spending programs,

896
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 10: because we're drowning in debt, and so we've got to

897
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 10: think about long term reforms to those programs.

898
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: Long term reforms all of that. I can guarantee you're

899
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: going to see that in an ad somewhere. May not

900
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: work obviously against him in Louisiana, but in my work

901
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: in I don't.

902
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 3: Know, Michigan, someplace like that.

903
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: On top of that, though, and this really to me

904
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: is the death now probably his single most unpopular position.

905
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. In the past,

906
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: you know, he has put out this is a tweet,

907
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: for example, where he says, breaking late yesterday, the Louisiana

908
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: Department of Health informed abortion facilities in our state. The

909
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: right to life has now been restored. If you perform

910
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: in an abortion and get imprisoned at hard labor for

911
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: one to ten years and you re fined ten K

912
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: to a hundred kay. On top of that, signing on

913
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: and directly endorsing a national abortion band. So that is

914
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: probably the most salient one and probably the single most

915
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: unpopular position that the man hell holds. I'm talking nationally,

916
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: not necessarily in his district. Obviously, he got elected, has

917
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 2: been re elected multiple times since twenty seventeen. But Johnson

918
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: has been a conservative winger on cultural issues now for

919
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: honestly decades based upon my research. As I said, he

920
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: very much comes from the traditional like Bush wing of

921
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 2: the party in terms of his heavy activism on evangelical

922
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: issues from the beginning, and then since being elevated to

923
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: Congress in twenty seventeen, has also adopted kind of a

924
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: maga flare to him. So, to be honest, I actually

925
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: think he's a good choice to represent the Republican Party

926
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: because I think, to be like, really, he has his

927
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 2: finger on the pulse of a lot of maga stuff

928
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: from the twenty twenty election. On Ukraine as well, we

929
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 2: can put this up there. For example, he has voted

930
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: against every single Ukraine aid package since May of twenty

931
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Speaker 2: twenty two.

932
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: Is it just ana of that picture looks like a

933
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 4: totally awful picture.

934
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: I think he learned how to do his hair in

935
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: the interim. But Mike Johnson has voted against Ukraine Aid,

936
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: you know, for debt reasons and says we need to

937
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: care about our border. He didn't vote to certify the election.

938
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: Comes from the evangelical base of the party. He's like,

939
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: as you said, he's somebody who holds like pretty traditional

940
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: Republican positions but also is like traditional but unpopular for

941
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: the general electorate. And also as like a nice affect

942
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: to him. He's got like multiple kids. He seems like

943
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: a nice guy. The only thing going against him is

944
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: five eight, which you know I got. I got some

945
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 2: questions about it. No offense to the short guys.

946
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: As a five eight woman, I'm supportive of his height.

947
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: But okay, let me give you a little bit more

948
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: about this guy to see you get a full sense.

949
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: He is a some may say true believer, others might

950
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: say religious fanatic in terms of his social conservative views,

951
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: longtime veteran of the you know, LGBTQ war on opposing

952
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: any sort of rights for gay people, even going so

953
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: far as when he was an attorney and spokesman for

954
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: this religious right group called the Alliance Defense Fund, which

955
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: apparently is known today as the Alliance Defending Freedom. He

956
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: authored an amicus brief opposing Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence

957
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: versus Texas, which overturned state laws that criminalized gay sex

958
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: between consenting adults. Okay, so if you ask the American public,

959
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly they do not think that what you do in

960
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: the bedroom should be the subject.

961
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 4: Of state law.

962
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: He was on the other side of that, writing in

963
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: part states have many legitimate grounds to proscribe same sex

964
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: deviate sexual intercourse. He goes on to say, by closing

965
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: these bedroom doors, they have open a Pandora's box. Okay,

966
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: So those are some of the things that he was arguing,

967
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: albeit in the early two thousands. He's still not just

968
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: all in on like the anti trans stuff that's very

969
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: popular in Republican circles these days. But he's also opposed

970
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: to gay marriage. Like I said, he is a true

971
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: believer on that, on abortion, et cetera. And so, you know,

972
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: do I think that Mike Johnson Trump is going to

973
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: be the center of attention.

974
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: For the general election, There's no doubt about it.

975
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: But part of why Democrats had more success than they

976
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 1: expected in the midterms is because they were successfully able

977
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: to paint like, hey, it's not just Trump. All of

978
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: these people are wacko. All of these people are way

979
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: out there with incredibly unpopular positions that are unpalatable to

980
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority of Americans. Mike Johnson very much helps

981
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: Democrats to be able to make that case. And you know,

982
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,479
Speaker 1: Democrats are kind of bad at grabbing narratives and bad

983
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: at like, you know, pushing their messaging, et cetera. But

984
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: I would not doubt that they try to use him

985
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: to try to paint this broader picture, especially because again,

986
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: every single Republican.

987
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 4: Voted for him.

988
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: So even a guy like Mike Lawler was in this

989
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, swing Biden district whatever, like, he is now

990
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: tarred with this guy in all of his extreme positions.

991
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: So as much as he may try to separate himself

992
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,959
Speaker 1: and I'm different than the Republicans, et cetera, et cetera,

993
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: you voted for this guy who was against who wanted

994
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: to criminalize gay sex and is against gay marriage and

995
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: once a national abortion band from the moment of conception

996
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: and was all in on stop this deal, et cetera,

997
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: et cetera.

998
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: So good luck, guy.

999
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: I think that well, the question as I said, it

1000
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 2: remains is like, well, Johnson become a Nancy Pelosi type figure.

1001
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: The reason that Pelosi, even when Obama was president, was

1002
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: like the bug.

1003
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 5: You know.

1004
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: It's like everyone was like, oh my goodness, Pelosi. She's

1005
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 3: like a damon, and.

1006
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 4: She was in every act, every Republican.

1007
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually I'm sure you know, I know, yeah, it

1008
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: was like she It's like she was the president.

1009
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: Is he gonna become that? I don't think so.

1010
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: Democrats in particular and even moderate it's like they hate

1011
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: Trump a lot more. The question is is like, what

1012
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: about in an after Trump world if that happens. Let's

1013
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: say Trump loses and this guy is still the speaker?

1014
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: Now what or what if he's still the Republican leader

1015
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: and then what tactics and all that is he going

1016
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: to use? Now?

1017
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: Then what does it do for their ability to hold

1018
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: onto the House right which they have a very narrow margin.

1019
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: That's another great question.

1020
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: Is he going to raise money for people who are

1021
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: pro gay marriage or a Nancy So I forget what

1022
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 2: Nancy Mays actually believes on abortion. I honestly don't remember,

1023
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: but it's like, is she going to raise money for

1024
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: her to be run I think she's pro choice or

1025
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: like pro choice ish or something not in the mainstream

1026
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: of the Republican Party. Let's at least say that, Well,

1027
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: is he going to raise money based upon his beliefs

1028
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: or like his standard, like what litmus test is he

1029
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: going to impose? This is why, you know, being ideologically

1030
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: flexible is actually a benefit whenever you're the leader. If

1031
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 2: you think about people like McConnell. McConnell does not care

1032
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 2: about basically anything except power and also funding foreign wars

1033
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: in Ukraine and in Israel now, so he flexes his

1034
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 2: muscle very very rarely whenever he actually wants something.

1035
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: That's it.

1036
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: I mean, he's conservative quote unquote on economic issues for

1037
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: big business and all of that, but he does that

1038
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: so that he can raise money so that he can

1039
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: elect more Republicans.

1040
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer. Schumer does not believe anything.

1041
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: This is a guy who at one point wrote a

1042
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: book about why we need a border wall and is

1043
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: now like the biggest illegal immigrant lobbyist in Washington. So

1044
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: it's like, you know why, because he wants to get

1045
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: elected in terms of Christian cinema. And then I don't know,

1046
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,959
Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders, he looks at them as one and the same.

1047
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: He like just wants his caucus to run.

1048
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually, like as I said, there's a lot

1049
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: of good reasons for that whenever you're in leadership, because

1050
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: when you have a real agenda, it will obviously alienate

1051
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: other members in your party. How will Mike Johnson govern?

1052
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: We have no idea on Israel, though we do know this.

1053
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: This is probably one of the most pro Israel legislators

1054
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: to speakers, probably to ever occupy the chair. Here's what

1055
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: he had to say immediately upon taking the gavel. Let's

1056
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: take a listen.

1057
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 10: Extraordinary crisis right now, and the world needs us to

1058
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 10: be strong. They need us to remember our creed and

1059
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 10: our admonition. Turmoil and violence of rock to Middle East

1060
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 10: and Eastern Europe. We all know what intentions continue to

1061
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 10: build in the Indo Pacific. The country demands strong leadership

1062
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 10: of this body and we must not waiver. Are our

1063
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 10: nation's greatest ally in the Middle East is under attack.

1064
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 10: The first bill that I'm going to bring to this

1065
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 10: floor in just a little while, we'll be in support

1066
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 10: of our dear friend Israel, and we're overdue and getting

1067
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 10: that done.

1068
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: Also courtesy of Chrystali actually found this one. This is

1069
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: from Haretz, Israeli newspaper. Let's put this up there on

1070
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: the screen. The new House speaker Mike Johnson, and evangelical

1071
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 2: Christian holds ties to Israel's far right. He described his

1072
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty visit to the Jerusalem Temple quote as the

1073
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: fulfillment of a biblical prophecy, and his election is one

1074
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: of the most significant victories to date for Evangelicals in DC.

1075
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: I genuinely do think that is true.

1076
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: Also, as I said, and I I had to explain

1077
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: here in the past, Evangelical Christians are more pro Israel

1078
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: in many cases than some people who are American Jews.

1079
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 2: And it's because it all ties to what we began

1080
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: our show with this whole like prophecy of Isaiah and

1081
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: end times for those who are Christians. I'm sorry, I

1082
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: didn't grow up Christian. You know, I don't know anything

1083
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: about the Bible.

1084
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: Or the prophecy of Isaiah or whatever.

1085
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: This is only based upon my understanding of like a

1086
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: biblical battle for the end times. It is why evangelical

1087
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 2: Christian groups often make pilgrimages to Israel, because it's described

1088
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: as like the final battleground. Actually when I was in Israel,

1089
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: encountered a lot of these people in Jerusalem, like from

1090
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Speaker 2: the Church of Memphis, Tennessee or whatever, and they're like,

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Speaker 2: here's where it's all gonna happen. It's you know, the

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00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: Soldiers of the East or whatever rule come from there.

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00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 2: I remember being like alongside and just be like, oh wow,

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Speaker 2: this is kind of crazy. Anyway, this is one of

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00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 2: those people who is very much subscribes to those beliefs,

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Speaker 2: and so their fervor for Israel is on another level

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Speaker 2: in some cases than even people like Joe Lieberman or

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Speaker 2: other American Jews who serve We've been joking about this privately.

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Speaker 2: To date, the only American congressman who has worn an

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Speaker 2: IDF uniform to the US Congress, which is Brian mast

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00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 2: is an evangelical Christian.

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Speaker 3: He is not even a Jew, but that his is

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Speaker 3: a Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, if you ask me, wearing the uniform

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00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: of any foreign military probably should be legal for congressman.

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00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 3: But that's a whole other conversation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, the thing about basing your support for

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00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: Israel on your religion is that's not negotiable.

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00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's right.

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Speaker 4: You can't debate with this person.

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00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: You can't argue with them, you can't show them what's

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00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: happening in Gaza, you can't persuade them with that right

1113
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: because this is foundational to their belief system.

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00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 4: So yeah, they don't care.

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Speaker 1: I mean the stuff Netna who was saying that we

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00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: played of like, you know, the people of life versus

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00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: the people of darkness, and you know, framing it as

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00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: a holy war, and we have to fulfill the of Isaiah,

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00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: and we will fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah and the

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Speaker 1: access of via like he would be nodding along absolutely,

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00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: and you know, he already made good on his promise

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00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: that his first act as Speaker was to push through

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00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: this resolution unconditionally affirming support for Israel and also, by

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00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: the way, and Michael Tracy was tweeting out some of

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00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: these specific provisions with some very bellicose language towards the run,

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Speaker 1: which I want to say was almost unanimously supported four

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00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: twelve to ten. There were nine Democrats who voted no

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Speaker 1: Rashida to leave, Corey Bush, Jamal Bowman, Andre Carson Green

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00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: of Texas, AOC Summerly of Pennsylvania, Ramirez ilhan Omar. There

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00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: was one Republican who voted no. Thomas Massey like a libertarian.

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00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 2: Well he votes no on like everything, so it's not

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00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: necessarily a reflection of his views.

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00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: But I want to say, like, you know, I I

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00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: would have actually felt differently about this resolution. That's just

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00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: like affirming support for Israel, and Israel has a right

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00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: to defend yourselves, et cetera, et cetera, if it had

1137
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: come right at the time when they had just suffered

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00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: these attacks.

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Speaker 4: But now that we're into.

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Speaker 1: You know, the siege of Gaza and the indiscriment bond,

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00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: more than seven thousand targets, forty two percent of Gaza destroyed,

1142
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: the overwhelming toll on civilians, the thousands of children dead,

1143
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: the hospitals that are no longer functioning, all of these things.

1144
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: When you support a resolution such as this with no

1145
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: language about any of that, you are giving total green

1146
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: light and carte blanche to what the Israeli government is doing.

1147
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: So coming in this context at this moment, I mean,

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00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: I think it's disgraceful and I want to applaud in particular,

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00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: and we're about to talk about Jamal Bowman the fire

1150
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: alarm stuff, but I want to applaud him in particular

1151
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: because for a lot of the Democrats who voted no

1152
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: on this resolution, you know, their districts are such where

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00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: they're unlikely to pay a political price. It's relatively safe,

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00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: not that it's ever totally safe, because you know, at

1155
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: these democratic packs that are extraordinarily pro Israel, that are

1156
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: there to enforce unanimous, you know, unanimous backing of Israel

1157
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: no matter what, they're still going to come in after them.

1158
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: But they're a little bit safer. But Jamal Bowman is

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00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: in a district where you know, this could be a

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00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: real issue for him, and he voted no. And I

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00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: just want to say, I think that took that took

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00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: a lot of courage in order to be able to

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Speaker 1: do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just think politically, I don't think

1165
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: there's any real price to be paid for just like

1166
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: being generically pro Israel. They're not looking at it in

1167
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: the same way. They're like, yeah, we were supposed to

1168
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: pass it on day one, but we couldn't because nothing happened,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we're just going to pass it now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, it's also like, again, all the problems

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Speaker 1: that we have, like all of the issues that we

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00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: have here in inflation, and the struggles in et cetera,

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00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: and our priority is to once again, for the one

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00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: million time reaffirm that Israel can do whatever they want,

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00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: whenever they want. Seems like a very skewed priority system

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Speaker 1: to me as well. And in terms of the political piece,

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Speaker 1: it was interesting hearing Ryan talking to Emily yesterday about

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01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: John Fetterman, who has become this like extreme Israel hawk

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01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: in all of this, and his analysis was basically, like

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01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: Fetterman decided in his Senate primary that he would just

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Speaker 1: do whatever the pro Israel Democrats, the Democratic majority for

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01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: Israel people, which is this big pack that, like I said,

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01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: tries to enforce like unanimity of opinion on being pro

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: Israel no matter what that he would just basically be like,

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01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: whatever you all want me to.

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Speaker 4: Say, I'll say.

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Speaker 1: And so he's just like sticking to that. But there's

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01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: lots of political incentive to you know, be to vote

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01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: for this resolution, to say the right the right things,

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Speaker 1: to as the ADLD and said, get the story right

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01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: on Israel. There's and it's very difficult to talk about

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Speaker 1: this without playing into anti Semitic troupes. It's true there's

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01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: way more money in organization between being on that side

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01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: of the issue. There are basically zero dollars to be

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Speaker 1: gotten in terms of campaign contributions, of speaking out for

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Speaker 1: Palestinians or being you know, on the side of Palestinian

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01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: civilian life. There is no political benefit to be gained whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, that's why you get an incredibly lopsided

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Speaker 1: result like this, because all of these people can see

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Speaker 1: where the political power lies and where their personal political

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01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: benefit is as well.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to the next part that you teased,

1203
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: the story of the century.

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01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 3: Some are calling and let's go ahead and put this

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01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: up there on the screen.

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01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: Jamal Bowman has now officially been charged with one count

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01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: of false fire alarm in violation.

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01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: Of the DC Criminal Code.

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01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: This is according to documents which have now been filed

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: in the District of Columbia. The Attorney General for the

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Speaker 2: District of Columbia has now summoned Jamal Bowman sometime actually

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01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: around right now when we're filming the show, I'm to

1213
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 2: court in order to answer for his crimes, to be.

1214
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 3: Arraigned being charged with a misdemeanor count.

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: They say, you are hereby commanded to appear before the

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01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: Criminal Division. All of this again is a violation of

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01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 2: the DC Code for falsely pulling a fire alarm. The

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01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 2: Capitol Police say that their investigation has been done for

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01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 2: a while.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 2: Our agents gathered all the evidence, packaged it up, and

1222
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: sent the entire case with charges to prosecutors for their consideration. Obviously,

1223
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: the prosecutors have decided to go after him. We should

1224
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen as well. Let's

1225
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 2: just not forget all of this. His original explanation is

1226
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 2: that he pulled the fire alarm because it would help

1227
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: him open the door. Now, allegedly, according to some reports

1228
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: from the Capitol Police and their investigation on video, they

1229
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: don't actually show him trying to open the door. So

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01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: obviously I always thought he was completely full of it

1231
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: and he was lying. But the video evidence that we

1232
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: will likely hopefully hear a trial if he does contest

1233
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 2: it and stick to his original story, will vindicate that

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01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: he was not telling the truth.

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Speaker 3: It is still a very bizarre situation.

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01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: I still because the context for why he would have

1237
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 2: pulled a fire alarm was to delay a vote, or.

1238
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 3: Was to stop a vote.

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01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 2: I apologize about the speakership, but he did end up

1240
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 2: voting in that so I mean maybe like the jiu

1241
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: jitsu explanation in your mind is he pulled the fire

1242
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: alarm because he was late for the vote so that

1243
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: he could get to the vote.

1244
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 3: So he wasn't delaying it to stop the vote.

1245
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: He was delaying it so that he could get to

1246
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 2: the vote, although it didn't even work and he still

1247
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: did end up voting.

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01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: So no explanation does make a whole lot of sense.

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01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 2: But just to be clear about this, the false pulling

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01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,919
Speaker 2: a fire alarm, the code says that you willfully had

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01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 2: to pull the fire alarm, So they believe they have

1252
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 2: to prove, and they believe that they have evidence beyond

1253
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: the shadow of a doubt, beyond reasonable doubt, that he

1254
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: did intentionally pull said fire alarm, not did it in

1255
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: an accidental manner.

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01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 3: That's it. That's as far as I understand it from

1257
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 3: the DC Criminal Code.

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Speaker 1: This feels like it happened eighty five years ago, and

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01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: I have to say I barely cared about it at

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01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: the time, and I one hundred percent don't care about

1261
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: it anymore.

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01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 4: And if Jamal Bowman.

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01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: Keeps taking courageous votes like what he just did, as

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01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, he can pull the fire alarm

1265
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: every damn day for the rest of his life.

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01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 4: I really don't care.

1267
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: Well, he's a guy who believes so much in the law.

1268
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: He's always talking about, Oh, we got to abide by

1269
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: the law. We got to throw all these January six people,

1270
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: all all the people in jail. Like, come on, he

1271
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 2: can't be he can't be pulling fire alarms in order

1272
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:13,479
Speaker 2: to delay votes.

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 3: You can say you appreciate the guy's vote, but you

1274
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 3: should be advocated for the guy to be pulling fire alarms.

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01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 4: I don't care. I mean, it's my official position.

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01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: There's like war and carnage going on, and I cannot

1277
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: possibly care about this story less. And like I said

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01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: for me this week, I am one hundred percent team

1279
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: Jamal Bowman. I think he is one of the most

1280
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: courageous members in terms of this vote that he just took.

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01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: He has a sizeable Jewish population in his district. For

1282
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: him to vote knowing this, he could actually face a

1283
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: political price. You know, he is likely to face a

1284
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: primary contender that is backed by this Democratic majority for

1285
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: Israel group.

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01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 4: So I'm pro Jamal.

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01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, if you care about Jamal, you

1288
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: should be telling him not to be lying and pulling

1289
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 2: fire alarms because I can guarantee you this.

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Speaker 3: Became a meme.

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01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: I still believe him. This became a meme national wie. Well,

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01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 2: I mean, look, let's see the evidence. Let's see what

1293
01:04:59,400 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: he pleads at.

1294
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 3: I want to see.

1295
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: Are you gonna plead not guilty and stick to your

1296
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 2: little accidental story or are you going to admit that

1297
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:05,439
Speaker 2: you lie?

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01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: Make our friends to pull a fire alarm in a

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01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: different building to try to delay a vote that's happening

1300
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: in the like, that doesn't make any I agree.

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01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 2: It never made any sense. But I still think he

1302
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 2: did it. You know, he panicked it was in his

1303
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: mind and then he lied about it. So yeah, I mean,

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01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: do we want people who were liars who are in Congress?

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Speaker 3: I think he's I think.

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Speaker 1: He's where it counted this week. He did the right thing,

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Speaker 1: and so I give that. Can't be way more credit

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Speaker 1: for that than this fire alarm.

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Speaker 2: SITU mean, I agree with you on a practical basis.

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Speaker 2: That is mostly how we should analyze lawmakers. This's white

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01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 2: people are like, did you see that somebody you should

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Speaker 2: port like voted for this thing. I'm like, yeah, I

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01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: don't care, because I care about even on this one

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Speaker 2: on Mike Johnson, you know why, I don't care what

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Speaker 2: he said about gay people twenty years ago. I don't

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Speaker 2: want more aid to pass for Ukraine. This guy's voted

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Speaker 2: against everything for Ukraine. So for me, like, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't care how Kevin McCarthy thought about gays in nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 2: I care how he was going to bring a Ukraine vote.

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Speaker 1: In your house, speaker like that has in port and

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Speaker 1: can impact the sort of led shirts that he brings.

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Speaker 3: We'll care about that done.

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Speaker 2: If he brings a national gay thing, you know, to

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Speaker 2: the floor, which I don't think is going to happen,

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Speaker 2: then sure, i'llso be like, hey, I don't do that.

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Speaker 2: But on Ukraine, which is like a present clear thing,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, look, this is the greatest thing that gonna

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Speaker 2: happen at least for our side on this, in a

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Speaker 2: long time.

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Speaker 1: So I will convinced that he is going to hold

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Speaker 1: the line on that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not convinced either, But look, six billion is not

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Speaker 2: forty billion, which is not one hundred billion.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, but.

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Speaker 1: Look at how pro Israel he is. He's just gonna

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Speaker 1: They're just going to tie him to get, it's.

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Speaker 3: Not the same thing. Yeah, well we don't know that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a there's a thing that's high there's

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Speaker 2: a bill right now in the Senate with multiple co

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01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 2: sponsors from Republicans to strip the AID part. Mount Gate

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Speaker 2: said yesterday that he would not that there's not majority

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Speaker 2: support for dual Israel Ukraine AID.

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Speaker 3: So and like I said, even if they get, if

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Speaker 3: they get two billion.

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Speaker 2: Or six billion, or even ten billion versus one hundred billion,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a massive substance of difference than what

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Speaker 2: would have likely happened. So look, I guess I'm talking

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Speaker 2: myself into your own direction, which is I agree, you know,

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Speaker 2: none of these people are angels and all of that.

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Speaker 2: I still think it's amusing. And mister Bowman, I always

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01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 2: believed was a liar, and now it appears to be vindicated.

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Speaker 1: Since you all undoubtedly recall there was that horrific explosion

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Speaker 1: at Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza which killed some huge

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Speaker 1: number of civilians. We still don't know exactly the toll

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Speaker 1: numbers could be as high as five hundred. I've seen

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Speaker 1: as low as one hundred, huge number of people, and

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Speaker 1: there have been a lot of disputes over exactly what

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Speaker 1: happened here. Was it Israel's fault? Was it a Palestinian

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Speaker 1: rocket that misfired? Both Israeli and US intelligence came down

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Speaker 1: on the side of it was an Islamic jihad rocket

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Speaker 1: which exploded midair and fell and landed in the hospital courtyard,

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Speaker 1: igniting this blast explosion that killed all of these people.

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Speaker 1: One of the key things that they based this assessment

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Speaker 1: on was this particular video from the Al Jazeer live

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Speaker 1: coverage that evening. Okay, so we have a new development

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Speaker 1: in the investigation into whatever the hell actually happened here,

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Speaker 1: coming from the New York Times, directly disputing the analysis

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Speaker 1: of both Israeli intelligence and critically US intelligence of what

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Speaker 1: this video actually shows.

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Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen. So this is

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Speaker 4: from journalist Eric Toller.

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Speaker 1: He says, Israeli and US intelligence officials believe that a

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Speaker 1: projectile captured on videos shortly before the Ali Arab hospital

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Speaker 1: explosion was a Palestinian rocket. New York Times visual investigations

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Speaker 1: found that this object was actually launched from Israel and

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Speaker 1: likely unrelated to the deadly blast. He goes on, I

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Speaker 1: want to bring you all of this analysis here so

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Speaker 1: that you can have all of the details. So he

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Speaker 1: goes on to say that an IDF spokesperson went on

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Speaker 1: CNN and the BBC with a printed out screenshot from

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01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: an Al Jazeera livestream showing this projectile, claiming it was

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Speaker 1: the rocket that hit the hospital. We also believe that

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Speaker 1: American officials are incorrectly assessing this to be a Palestinian rocket,

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Speaker 1: and US officials did base did confirm to them that

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Speaker 1: they believed that this was a rocket, and they used

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Speaker 1: this in their assessment. We geolocated five videos that showed

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Speaker 1: this projectile launch from the north, southeast, and west. By

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Speaker 1: drawing lines of perspective, three of which can be seen here,

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Speaker 1: we assessed that this project was launched from near the

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Speaker 1: Israeli city of nahl Us. We cannot say with confidence

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Speaker 1: what exactly the projectile actually is, but we know that

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Speaker 1: there is at least one iron dome launch site in

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Speaker 1: nearly the same location that overlaps from the sitelines we

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Speaker 1: drew from the five videos. This site was still present

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Speaker 1: in satellite imagery this year. This projectile may have been

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Speaker 1: launched in reaction to barrages of rockets from Gaza. Here

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Speaker 1: is the timeline one Palestinian rocket Brajes, followed shortly by

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Speaker 1: two Israeli projectile launch three seventeen and a half seconds

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Speaker 1: in air before the projective debtonates for explosion of the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Seven seconds later. The projectile launched from Israel detonates at

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Speaker 1: least two miles away from the hospital, so not very close,

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Speaker 1: and twenty five seconds passed from when the final Palestinian

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01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: rocket was launched. In these videos and the hospital explosion

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Speaker 1: they go on to save, the situation in the area

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Speaker 1: around the hospital was chaotic that evening. The Al Jazeera

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: livestream of the scene plus other videos we reviewed, shows

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01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: at least two large explosions near the hospital in the

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01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: minute before the deadly bat blast. And he talks about

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Speaker 1: and we had discussed before the fact that this very

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Speaker 1: same hospital had actually been hit by a warning shell.

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Speaker 4: That part is more or less confirmed.

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Speaker 1: They had also been worn to evacuate in advance of

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Speaker 1: whatever happened with this explosion. One other update here, Lamond

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Speaker 1: also confirmed the newspaper. Lamond also confirmed that The New

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01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: York Times, telling of what this video actually shows. Asked

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: about the Times findings, a spokesman for the Office of

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01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: the DNI said, The Times and American intelligence agencies different

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01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:05,919
Speaker 1: interpretations of the video. So again, basically this video coupled

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01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: with that, what I think is total bs alleged conversation

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01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: between Hamas militants is what Israeli officials in particular were

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01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: basing their assessment on, and what American intelligence was largely

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01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: basing their assessment on. As far as we know based

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01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,839
Speaker 1: on what they've said publicly the New York Times directly

1424
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: disputing their analysis of this video.

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Speaker 2: What I think is interesting is that they're saying, and

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01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 2: this actually explains a lot, because everyone was like, well,

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01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: if it was Israel, and it would have had to

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Speaker 2: be a jadem, it would have had to be a bomb,

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Speaker 2: and if it was a bomb, then it would have

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Speaker 2: caused a ton more damage in the hospital. Because it

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01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 2: didn't end up anying hospital, It hit the parking lot

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Speaker 2: and then a lot of the scorch marks that were

1433
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Speaker 2: on top of it. Everyone was like, well, that's consistent

1434
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Speaker 2: with the rocket and with something that is fueled in

1435
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: particular by it basically has fuel and it gets on

1436
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 2: fire and it like sprays everywhere. According to their analysis,

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Speaker 2: if it was then an iron dome interceptor, what was

1438
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 2: it intercepting they say. A possible answer is that by

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01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 2: the IDF's own admission, there was a rocket incoming to

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Speaker 2: nahalal Oz and saw it at the exact moment of

1441
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 2: this projectile launch, which would then strengthen their theory now

1442
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Speaker 2: that this was actually an iron Dome missile. And the

1443
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: thing is is that again, if anybody doesn't even know,

1444
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: Iron Dome is the Israeli system which shoots down incoming

1445
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 2: or intercepts more importantly incoming rockets, like with their own

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01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 2: missiles that were fired. There's a lot of software and

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01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 2: technology that goes into that. The point though, is that

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Speaker 2: that could be again could be consistent.

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Speaker 3: I guess. The big question though, is why did.

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Speaker 2: Hamas just scrub everything in the parking lot the day afterwards.

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Speaker 2: They never released any of the photos. They were like, no, no,

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Speaker 2: it's an Israeli strike. And remember even their story was

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01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 2: that it wasn't an iron don interceptor. They blamed the

1454
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 2: Israeli air strike. They specifically said air strike. So the

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Speaker 2: confounding variable is the parking lot itself, Hamas's sketchiness and

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01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 2: their immediate lies about the death toll, at least on

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Speaker 2: a media basis, there's just no way they could have

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01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 2: decided at that time be like, oh, five armed people

1459
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: died and you just know that, you know what, thirty

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01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 2: minutes after this strike as impossible.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, independent estimates, which again journalists can't get and

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01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: aza to verify, but are that hundreds were killed, but

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Speaker 1: probably not the five hundred that the Health Ministry originally said.

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Speaker 1: We still don't know exactly what the civilian what the

1465
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: death toll was, and we still have we still don't

1466
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: nominy definitive proof of what happened here.

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Speaker 4: The New York Times.

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Speaker 1: Investigation is basically saying this video that Israel and that

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Speaker 1: the US were pointing to again is really like the

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01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 1: bedrock piece of their evidence doesn't actually show anything that

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Speaker 1: had anything to do with this hospital because based on

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Speaker 1: first of all, it came from Israel, second of all,

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Speaker 1: it was two miles away from the hospital, and the

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Speaker 1: timing doesn't exactly match up either. So they're not saying, like,

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01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: we know what happened, but they are saying there were

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Speaker 1: Israeli airstrikes right in the vicinity of the hospital. At

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Speaker 1: the same time is really say, oh, but it wasn't close.

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Speaker 4: Enough to damage to the hospital. Maybe that's true, maybe

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Speaker 4: it's not.

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Speaker 1: And they're saying this thing that the intelligence agencies are

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Speaker 1: basing their assessment on doesn't show what they're purporting it to.

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Speaker 4: Uh that they say that it showed.

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01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: I think on the other side, what you point to

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Speaker 1: is maybe the most critical piece against Hamas's version of

1485
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: the story, which is like, Okay, well, where's your avenue.

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01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 3: You have to take a picture of the dam the

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01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 3: thing you want it and then send it to the world.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think it's important to say, like,

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Speaker 1: there are other things that Israel could have used to

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01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: bond the site other than jay Dance, sure right, and

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01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: which would have have a smaller footprint and be more

1492
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: consistent with the type of creator that appears to have been,

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01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: you know, in this parking lot, in this courtyard after

1494
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,560
Speaker 1: the strike. But it's number one. I think it's just,

1495
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, adds to the level of uncertainty. It certainly

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01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: calls into question the Israeli as I've never had any

1497
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: confidence that the Israelis or the American intelligence agencies would

1498
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: tell us the truth about what was.

1499
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Speaker 4: Going on here.

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Speaker 1: They desperately needed at that time some evidence to say

1501
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't us because Remember the context of this was

1502
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,759
Speaker 1: number one, mass protests instantly break out. Number two Biden

1503
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: literally visiting Israel that morning, and he needed some kind

1504
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 1: of face saving something he could say and point to.

1505
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 1: So you know, there was a real effort to muster

1506
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: this quote unquote evidence so that he could point to

1507
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: and say, oh no, no, no, it was the other

1508
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: team in his words, and New York Times and other

1509
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: news outlets, I would say, at this point, really calling

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01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: that into question.

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01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 2: The reason why it's just so difficult is, you know,

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01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: immediately came to me, I'm like, okay, I obviously I

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01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 2: don't trust what Hama says.

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01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 3: Okay.

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01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 2: Then it was like, all right, well then this evidence

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Speaker 2: comes out. And then for me, I didn't even care

1518
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: about the phone call. For me, it was the parking

1519
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 2: lot phone like, okay with parking lot. Protto is period, Like,

1520
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 2: it's not an air strike. So then it doesn't seem

1521
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 2: like there could have been an alternative explanation. But now

1522
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 2: there is an alternative explanation that considers it, and you're

1523
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 2: not wrong, I mean, don't forget. The Times actually is

1524
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 2: the one who debunked the original store about the US

1525
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 2: airstrike on supposedly against the ISIS ring leader, which ended

1526
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 2: up killing like some random civilian and his kids in Afghanistan.

1527
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: If you'll remember that airstrike the water salesman or whatever,

1528
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 2: it was actually a ne York Time visual investigation that

1529
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 2: completely demunked that.

1530
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 3: So anyway, look, I don't know.

1531
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 2: And what's even more of a plot twist is the

1532
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 2: guy who's behind this he used to work for Bellingcat,

1533
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 2: which is like ties to the CIA. So I'm like,

1534
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, man. I mean, it's like, you know,

1535
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 2: one case, a CIA says no, no, no, it was Israel.

1536
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 2: Now he's departing, but now he works than the New

1537
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 2: York Times. He's like, no, actually it might have been Israel.

1538
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 2: I have truly no clue. I'm just gonna come on

1539
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: the side of or probably won't know. And it also

1540
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: just comes back to the side of why don't we

1541
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 2: let journalists into Gaza, because when you do, that's a

1542
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 2: hell of a lot easier. Somebody can go and bring

1543
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 2: an actual camera and maybe even a news crew to

1544
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 2: this hospital and look around moments after the strike and

1545
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 2: be like, all right, what's that?

1546
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 3: What's that on the ground.

1547
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 2: It's simple when otherwise we're constantly relying on all of this,

1548
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 2: although honestly, at this point the damage is done both ways,

1549
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: and it's just a great highlight of like, you know,

1550
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 2: you got to be careful with what the information that

1551
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 2: is coming out here, and that of several every pretty

1552
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 2: much every party who's involved, from the US press to

1553
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,799
Speaker 2: the US intelligence community, to the Israeli military to Hamas,

1554
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 2: has all had proven track record of lying in the passer,

1555
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: which makes it so difficult to actually even figure out

1556
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 2: what's happening.

1557
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 4: Correct.

1558
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: One thing I will say, just to rop up this

1559
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:26,600
Speaker 1: story is there have been sixty two different health facilities

1560
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: just in this engagement that have been bombed during this

1561
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: quote unquote war against Hamas. So you know what happened

1562
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 1: at this hospital given the level of carnage is obviously

1563
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: incredibly significant. There should be an independent investigation. By the way,

1564
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 1: the US is opposed to an independent investigation, which is

1565
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: another red flag in terms of their story, and you

1566
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 1: know what they want the world to believe, you know,

1567
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: just as it's a red flag on the Maas side

1568
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: that they won't muster their own proof and their own evidence,

1569
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: et cetera. But why would you be opposed to independent

1570
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: investigation anyway, there should be one.

1571
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 4: We should know what happens.

1572
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: Here, But of course it doesn't erase the massive, widespread

1573
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: damage and civilian casualties that we are seeing throughout Gaza,

1574
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: regardless of what happened in the specific incidents of this hospital.

1575
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: Your comment saga about the need for journalists on the

1576
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 1: ground in Gaza is unfortunately a perfect segue into another horrific,

1577
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,759
Speaker 1: horrific story about a journalist's family which was just killed

1578
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: in Israeli airstrikes. But before we even get to that,

1579
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: you know, Al Jazeera, the network that is funded by

1580
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: the Katari government, has really come under fire both from

1581
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: the US and are really from Israel, but also from

1582
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: the US. Let's put this up on the screen. In

1583
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 1: terms of Tony Blanket went to the Katari PM and

1584
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: asked him to rein in Al Jazeera's war coverage. Let

1585
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: me give you the details here, which I think are

1586
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: kind of wild. He told a group of American Jewish

1587
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: Comunity leaders on Monday that he asked the Katari Prime

1588
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: Minister less than two weeks ago to tone down Al

1589
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: Jazeera's rhetoric about the war in Gaza. This according to

1590
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: three people who attended the meeting. So you have official

1591
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: US policy trying to shape what international media outlets, which

1592
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: again backed by Qatar, so it is really important to

1593
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: keep that in mind in terms of their coverage, right,

1594
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: but trying to shape what this coverage looks like internationally

1595
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 1: so it more closely conforms, I guess, to the Western

1596
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: propaganda that we typically receive. And in addition, put this

1597
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: third third element. Guys up on the screen that Israeli

1598
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: government banned all activities of Al Jazeera in Israel. So

1599
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: they out and out banned Al Jazeera, ordered the closing

1600
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: of all of their offices. The tower which was the

1601
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: hub of Al Jazeera and other pro Palace Syne media

1602
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 1: in Gaza has been demolished by Israel. And they go

1603
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: on to note that Richie Sunak, PM of the UK

1604
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 1: said today that Israel's exercising it's legitimate right to defend itself.

1605
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: They man Israel in terms of a crack dawn on

1606
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: any kind of descent, like the stuff worst thing in

1607
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: here is child's play compared to their like arresting movie

1608
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,480
Speaker 1: stars who are posting vaguely.

1609
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 4: Pro Palestinian stuff.

1610
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: They proposed this law that even if you were saying

1611
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: things that were true if they were against the quote

1612
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: unquote national interest, that they could arrest you at the

1613
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: discretion of this one dude. That hasn't gone through. But

1614
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: that's the sort of stuff that's being floated there. But

1615
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: this direct war on Al Jazeera is the backdrop for

1616
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 1: an absolute horde that there are no words for, which

1617
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: is the Gaza bureau chief of Al Jazeera, a guy

1618
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: by the name of Whale Dadou. His wife, his son,

1619
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: and his daughter were all killed and his grandchild by

1620
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: the way, in an Israeli airstrike targeted a shelter house

1621
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: that they had fled to because remember people have been

1622
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: told okay, you got to leave the north of Gaza.

1623
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: They had left, they went to this house that they

1624
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: thought would be safer and they end up all of

1625
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: them being killed in an Israeli airstrike. He actually received

1626
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 1: the news while he was on air covering what was

1627
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: happening on the ground in Gaza. Let's take a look

1628
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: at this. You can see him here just after having

1629
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: received the news, which as I said, he got on air.

1630
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: Here he is with his son weeping over the body

1631
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: of his son. And I know these images are very,

1632
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: very difficult to see. But again, so many questions, was

1633
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: this a deliberate target? Was this house with the family

1634
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: of the Gaza bureau chief for Al Jazeera? With Al

1635
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: Jazeera coming under fire from Israel, being told to close

1636
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: its offices, the United States Secretary of State going and saying, hey,

1637
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: they need to turn down their coverage, and then immediately

1638
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: afterwards the family of the Gaza bureau chief is killed

1639
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: in this air strike.

1640
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 2: A lot of questions here, Yeah, so any when others

1641
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: are actually killed in the separate instandent the Al Jazeera

1642
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 2: parent company, Media Network, they're the ones blaming the Israeli

1643
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 2: air strike. They're calling it, quote unquote a indiscriminate assault,

1644
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 2: saying that Al Jazeera is deeply concerned about the safety

1645
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 2: and the well being of our colleagues inside of Gaza.

1646
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think it's in dispute at

1647
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 2: all that members of his family then were killed, and

1648
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 2: there has not yet been an alternative explanation or dispute

1649
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 2: yet by Israel. You can take that with what you will.

1650
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 2: The big question is about the number of journalists now

1651
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 2: who have died. It's at least twenty four that have

1652
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 2: been confirmed died since October seventh. Twenty of those actually

1653
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 2: are Palestinian, since the hostilities in October seventh really began here. Yeah,

1654
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just absolutely like it's a horrific thing

1655
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 2: to watch. Also, you know, in terms of the front

1656
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 2: on general with Al Jazeera, it is difficult, and they

1657
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: are basically directly controlled by the Qatari government. I've used

1658
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: to live in Qatar. By the way, I don't believe

1659
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 2: in censorship. I do believe that they should be allowed

1660
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 2: to broadcast in Israel if you're is really actually you

1661
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 2: want that because you want to know exactly what these

1662
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: people are saying and reporting from there. Because we like

1663
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 2: it or not, the huge swats of the Arab world

1664
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: actually do watch Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera Arabic has been

1665
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 2: caught many times reporting absolute bullshit, especially whenever it came

1666
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 2: to the US in Iraq. So I'm not going to

1667
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: sit here and stand for them. At the same time,

1668
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 2: it reflects I think a little bit of what we

1669
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 2: talked about previously about our broader war coverage Crystal, which

1670
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 2: is that Al Jazeera, the images and all of that

1671
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 2: that are flooding across the Arab world and Al Jazeer

1672
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 2: frankly is probably the tame version compared to what's being

1673
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 2: distributed on WhatsApp and on Twitter or on Telegram, is

1674
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 2: laying the base of the exact same media environment the

1675
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 2: United States found itself in in two thousand and four,

1676
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 2: in two thousand and five, where Al Jazeer Arabic basically

1677
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 2: all day, every day was just broadcasting carnage of what

1678
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 2: was going on in Iraq and being like, this is

1679
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 2: America's fault, This is America's fault, this is America's fault,

1680
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 2: which you know, kind of was, and that it was

1681
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 2: the backdrop of the huge rise in the ji Hottist

1682
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 2: movement and which ignited a lot of terrorist attacks against

1683
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 2: the US. And it took a while, you know for

1684
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 2: that to start to materialize, but.

1685
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:11,839
Speaker 3: The London bombing happened.

1686
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 2: Then you had multiple other, you know, major al Qaeda

1687
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 2: attacks that were attempted against the US.

1688
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 3: That was also the beginning of.

1689
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 2: Kind of the quote unquote lone wolf terror thing, which

1690
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 2: I mean what we lived with that for more than

1691
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 2: a decade. So I think we're just going right back

1692
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 2: to very familiar territory and that's what that's actually what

1693
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 2: scares the hell out of me. Is because I know

1694
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 2: that this is this is the backdrop of what every

1695
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 2: person in the Arab world is consuming on a daily basis.

1696
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 2: That's why Blincoln was like, hey, can you please tone

1697
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,600
Speaker 2: it down because we know how influential this is. But

1698
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 2: to be honest, I don't think it's going to do

1699
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 2: anything out there. These people are all online now. The

1700
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 2: zero doesn't matter.

1701
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: Even if Al Jazero became CNN overnight, it wouldn't been right,

1702
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: It wouldn't matter. And also, I mean to state the obvious,

1703
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: like stop, rather than trying to curb the coverage of

1704
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: the atrocities, how about you just curb the atrocities, which

1705
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,879
Speaker 1: the United the government, if they wanted to use their leverage,

1706
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: could very much, very much do and could get behind

1707
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: a ceasefire to try to end. You know, I mean

1708
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: I already talked about the number of civilians that were

1709
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 1: killed here thousands and thirteen confirmed Hamas fighters killed, So

1710
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's also worth mentioning, and we covered this

1711
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: here at the time as well. This isn't the first

1712
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: Al Jazeera journalist who has been killed by who's been

1713
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: impacted by you know, Israeli strikes. You had Sharen Abu Akle,

1714
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: who originally Israel set out it was Palestinian fire that

1715
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 1: she got caught in the crossfire and was actually Palestinians

1716
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: who killed her. Well, it turns out once down the

1717
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,759
Speaker 1: road after investigation, no, no, they had to admit because

1718
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 1: there was too much proof that it was the IDF

1719
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: that killed her. So you know, they're is putting aside

1720
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: this horror, absolute horror, and whether or not it was

1721
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 1: a direct target, which I think is very much an

1722
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: open question here. It's clear that the Israeli government wants

1723
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: to try to curb the images that are coming out

1724
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: of Gaza, and the American government once you try to

1725
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: curb the images that are coming out of Gaza, because

1726
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: it is horrible, it's horrible, and they are very much

1727
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: afraid of these continued protests and the rage and the

1728
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,759
Speaker 1: fury and what that could ultimately spiral out of control into.

1729
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 1: But as I said, the answer here isn't to try

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Speaker 1: to change the coverage or curb the coverage or sanitize

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01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 1: the coverage. It's to actually get at the root cause

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Speaker 1: of the war crimes that are being committed here. I mean,

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01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 1: the siege part is you could potentially have some argument

1734
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: out human shields, etc. On the bombings, but the complete

1735
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: siege of all the civilians, this is collective punishment, like

1736
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: it's by international law, is really indisputable, and the US

1737
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: could do a lot about that.

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01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 3: They could, but they're not going to. Of course, the

1739
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 3: US political system.

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01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 4: They've made that very clear.

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01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 2: The US political system supports this action. I think we

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01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 2: all also reconcile ourselves to that and just be prepared

1743
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 2: for what the fallout from that is going to be.

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01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 2: At the same time, though, it is also having fallout elsewhere.

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01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 4: Hollywood. What a story here.

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Speaker 1: So you know, these actors and actresses, they've got their

1747
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:15,480
Speaker 1: little brands.

1748
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 4: They got to protect.

1749
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: They want to be on the side of good things

1750
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 1: and against bad things. But of course, you know, this

1751
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: is a very difficult situation. People feel a lot of ways.

1752
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,919
Speaker 1: And we're talking about you know, not just some like bullshit,

1753
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: not to totally dismiss it, but like diversity play or whatever.

1754
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: We're talking about life death, war piece, possible World War

1755
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: three hostages who are being held, et cetera.

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01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 4: And it has gotten very messy.

1757
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 1: So we have two effectively rival letters being signed on

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01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: to by Hollywood stars. This first one is I mean,

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01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: it's almost just like it's very confused, and it's in

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01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 1: my opinion, quite laughable.

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01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

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01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: Long list of Hollywood stars and executives signed on to

1763
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: this letter, thanking President Joe Biden for his leadership and

1764
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: asking to keep the focus on the hostages in Gaza.

1765
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 1: Thank you for your unshakeable moral conviction, leadership, and support

1766
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: for the Jewish people who have been terrorized by Hamas

1767
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 1: since the group's founding over thirty five years ago, and

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01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: for the Palestinians who have also been terrorized a press

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01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 1: and victimized by Hamas for the last seventeen years that

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01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: the group has been governing Gaza. We would urge everyone

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01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: to not rest until all hostages are released.

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01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 4: So basically we can put this up on the screen.

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01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: The list of some of the stars here, We've got,

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01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, Highlighter, Jordan Peel, Olivia Wilde, John Hamm, John

1775
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: Watstean Kane. I don't know who most of these people are,

1776
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 1: but that's not because they're not. They're nobody's I just.

1777
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 3: Don't know who anybody is that was the one so far.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, So this is one list that's being put out.

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01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Sorkin is on this one as well. And the

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01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: reason I call it confused is like, why do you

1781
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: need to sign a letter. It's just like, good job,

1782
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Way to go, person with the most powerful,

1783
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,759
Speaker 1: you know, position in the entire world, like we stand

1784
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 1: with you. But they have to throw in this hostage

1785
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 1: piece to try to act like they're like rebellious and

1786
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: standing up to power, and really you're just completely co

1787
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: signing what the American government is already doing.

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01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's like, why does he need

1789
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 2: a letter from you to be like, you know what,

1790
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep working to.

1791
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 3: Get those hostages out.

1792
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 2: It's just like shut up, like keep your you know,

1793
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 2: if you want to make a dumbass post on Instagram,

1794
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 2: like go for it.

1795
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 3: Well good luck with that. Considering with Jamie Lee Curtis

1796
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 3: and all these other people.

1797
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 2: But nobody asked for you, nobody cares, you know what

1798
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,839
Speaker 2: you think this entire thing, like you said, it's confused

1799
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 2: because this is the policy of the government. No hostage

1800
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 2: can be left. Well, yeah, the Secretary of Status said it,

1801
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 2: so is the president. It'd be different if the president

1802
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, you know, we're we're giving

1803
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 2: up or.

1804
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 3: Something like that.

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01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 2: But like, okay, fine, then you can quote unquote speak out,

1806
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 2: but like, what does that even mean. It's also just

1807
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 2: so banal. We all want the same thing, freedom for

1808
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 2: Israelis and Pales needs to live side by side in peace.

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01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, thanks, you know, thank you Bradley Cooper

1810
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 2: and Courtney Cox or Chris Rock. I'm most surprised at

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01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 2: Galgado is the one who signed off this because she's

1812
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 2: just straight up Israeli and so if she comes out

1813
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 2: and is like totally supportive of Israel, I mean, I

1814
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 2: don't want to have a problem with that. She's from

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01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 2: the country, So I just don't get it. I don't

1816
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 2: understand the point of this thing. She also did, I believe,

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01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 2: was margining the Imagine song. Do you remember that whenever

1818
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 2: they all saying Imagine? Oh really?

1819
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 3: So this is not the first foray for Muscado.

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01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: So producer Griffin flagged that at least one of the

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01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: people on this letter is now coming out and saying, god, wait,

1822
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: I didn't I actually my agent put me on this,

1823
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't actually want to sign on to this.

1824
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to be on the other letter, which let's

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01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. The other letter has

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01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: a little more clarity of content here artists calling for ceasefire. Now,

1827
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: obviously this is in direct opposition to what the Biden

1828
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: administration is pushing for. They say, we come together as

1829
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: artists and advocates, most importantly as human beings witnessing the

1830
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: devastating life, loss of lives, and unfolding horrors in Israel

1831
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: and Palestine. We ask that is President, the a us U,

1832
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 1: and the US Congress call for an immediate d escalation

1833
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: in ceasefire and Gaza and Israel before another life is lost.

1834
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: More than five thousand people have been killed in the

1835
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: last week and half, a number any person of conscience

1836
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 1: knows as catastrophic. We believe all life is sacred, no

1837
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 1: matter faith or ethnicity, and we condemn the killing of

1838
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: Palaestinity and Israeli citizens. We urge your administration, Congress, all

1839
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: world leaders to honor all of the lives in the

1840
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 1: Holy Land and call for and facilitate a ceasefire without delay,

1841
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 1: and and the bombing of Gaza and the safe release

1842
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: of hostages.

1843
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 4: So this one, you know, an.

1844
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 1: Actual challenge to what the Biden administration is calling for

1845
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 1: and you know, Hollywood very much at war over how

1846
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: to approach this issue. You also have the Writer's Guild, Yes,

1847
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: coming under fire because they didn't say anything, which, to

1848
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 1: be honest with you, you know, when you've got a

1849
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: union with a lot of members with different backgrounds and

1850
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: different views on this, not saying anything kind of seems

1851
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: to me like not the worst thing in the world,

1852
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: like just to you know, correcting to do, stay hon

1853
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: of it if you don't have a unity of opinion

1854
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 1: among your members. That seems entirely appropriate to me. I mean,

1855
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 1: obviously I would love for them to call for ceasfar,

1856
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: I'd love for them to come down on the side

1857
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 1: of Palestinian humanity. But it's interesting to me that they're

1858
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 1: coming out of under significant fire from their membership just

1859
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: for being like, we're going to keep quiet.

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01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1861
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 2: I've seen this from the universities too. People are like,

1862
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 2: why has Harvard University not denounced the attack? I'm like,

1863
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 2: who gives a shit? The issue though, is that Harvard

1864
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 2: boxed itself into a corner where anytime the social justice

1865
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 2: caused d joure was happening, they're like, oh, we unequivocally

1866
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 2: stand with Black Lives Matter or trans whatever, and like

1867
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 2: you know, abortion Row versus Wade, or DACA or immigrant

1868
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 2: all these other things.

1869
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you guys are the ones who dug

1870
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 3: your own grave.

1871
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, you want to weigh in every single time

1872
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 2: there's something going on, then, yeah, people are going to

1873
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 2: call you out when you don't say anything.

1874
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 3: But I'm very much exactly of the same opinion of yours.

1875
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 2: Is if you have an organization like the WGA, where

1876
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 2: they're obvious, I mean many of the people who just

1877
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 2: signed both of these letters are Remember how could you

1878
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 2: unequivocally come out and have a single position.

1879
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 3: Then that's just the narcissism of leaders. It's not a

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01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 3: true union.

1881
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 2: And this is one of the in my opinion, big

1882
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,799
Speaker 2: missteps that a lot of unions made in the eighties

1883
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 2: and nineties is explicitly aligning themselves with the machine art

1884
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 2: of the Democratic Party. While not majority, but some of

1885
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 2: its people coalition and others did not vote in the

1886
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 2: similar direction. It caused like a big split, and I

1887
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 2: think one of the benefits to a guy like Sean Faine,

1888
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 2: who has been a little political with Biden and all

1889
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 2: of that, but has also been willing to call him out.

1890
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 2: Is that even the people who are in his union

1891
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 2: who support Trump, like for example, I don't think they

1892
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 2: could ever say for a second that the man would

1893
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 2: never put them first over loyalty to the Democratic Party.

1894
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 3: That's what you have to do.

1895
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 2: So anyway, I in some ways I don't have some

1896
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 2: sympathy because I'd have to go back and check to

1897
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 2: see what WGAO said about the last you know, BLM

1898
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: or whatever.

1899
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 3: I'm sure they probably put out some BS statement.

1900
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 2: So in some ways it's like this is why, like

1901
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 2: you don't have to weigh in on everything, you know,

1902
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 2: and if you do, then when something becomes so inconvenient

1903
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,759
Speaker 2: and you don't have one hundred percent of people behind

1904
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 2: you and then you say nothing, people are going to

1905
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 2: call you out. So I'm a bit conflicted. I agree

1906
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 2: with the policy laid out, but I think you should

1907
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 2: be consistent.

1908
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 1: I guess I would just say that it obviously matters

1909
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: a lot more what the president of the United States,

1910
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 1: what the people with power in the House and the Senate,

1911
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, the people who are funding

1912
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 1: super PACs, and who are you know, really influential in

1913
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 1: terms of our public policy, Like it matters a lot

1914
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 1: more what they are saying than like whatever the Writer's

1915
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 1: Guild might put out, whatever Sarah Silverman thinks about them,

1916
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 1: you know, or Harvard or like, you know, some dumb

1917
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 1: kids marching on some college campus. And it can be

1918
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 1: very easy when we see things we disagree with coming

1919
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:52,759
Speaker 1: from groups that maybe we have antipathy for, to fixate

1920
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: on those things. But I would just keep our eyes

1921
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,759
Speaker 1: on the price of the people who actually have power

1922
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 1: and what not, even what they're saying, what they're doing.

1923
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 4: That's where all the real actions.

1924
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:04,600
Speaker 3: I think it comes to powerlessness.

1925
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 2: Like you know, nothing that we say here on the

1926
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 2: show is going to impact us policy, and that's actually

1927
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,719
Speaker 2: a very difficult thing to accept for a lot of people.

1928
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 2: Even And now imagine you're a billionaire. Now imagine you're

1929
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 2: an actor. What you can control if you're a billionaire

1930
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 2: donor to Harvard is, you know, nobody the White House

1931
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 2: is going to care what you think.

1932
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 3: They'll care more of what you think.

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01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 4: Oh, if you're a.

1934
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 3: Billion care, well ish, but probably not in a case

1935
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:29,560
Speaker 3: like this.

1936
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 2: But what you can control is Harvard University, who you

1937
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 2: donate ten million dollars a year you can control. If

1938
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:38,799
Speaker 2: you're a student in particular, and I understand being a student,

1939
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 2: It's like you want to be righteous and you want

1940
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 2: to have an impact, but like nobody cares what you think.

1941
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 3: So what do you do.

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Speaker 2: You march in or you you know, project some dumbass

1943
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Speaker 2: statement onto a wall, and you like embroil the institution

1944
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Speaker 2: and conflict because you're trying to be heard, You're trying

1945
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Speaker 2: to have agency. Again, I understand where that comes from,

1946
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Speaker 2: but that is why I think people get engaged in

1947
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Speaker 2: these fights just because ninety nine point nine percent of

1948
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Speaker 2: us will never have any impact on what Tony Blinken,

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Speaker 2: Jake Sullivan or President Biden have to say. However, you

1950
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Speaker 2: can have an impact and a more immediate fight in

1951
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Speaker 2: the WGA, in a letter or on campus something like that.

1952
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Speaker 2: It's like a way of acting out, and I do

1953
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Speaker 2: understand it. I do also mostly think is pointless. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that you said that.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we do have a little bit of

1956
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Speaker 1: good news to bring you guys. Saga just mentioned Sean

1957
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Speaker 1: Payne in the United Auto Workers who have been obviously

1958
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Speaker 1: doing this stand up strike for I don't even know

1959
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Speaker 1: what account is, but number of weeks at this point

1960
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Speaker 1: they've been escalating week by week. They actually have a

1961
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Speaker 1: ton of deal with Ford, so one of the Big three,

1962
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Speaker 1: with the idea being that if they come to this

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Speaker 1: deal with Ford, which the membership still has to vote on,

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Speaker 1: that'll put pressure on the other two to fall in

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Speaker 1: line and also, you know, come to the table with

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Speaker 1: sufficient concessions to be able to achieve similar results for

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Speaker 1: the membership. Here, let's take a listen to what Sean

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Speaker 1: Fain and I think he's like the Vice President, I

1969
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Speaker 1: don't know he introduces him, but another UAW leadership member

1970
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Speaker 1: have to say about the deal and its contents.

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Speaker 8: UAW Family, I'm excited and honored to be joined today

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Speaker 8: by Vice President Chuck Browning as we announced a major

1973
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Speaker 8: victory in the stand up strike. Today we reached a

1974
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Speaker 8: tentative agreement with Ford. For months, we've said that record

1975
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Speaker 8: profits mean record contracts, and UAW Family, our stand Up

1976
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Speaker 8: Strike has delivered. What started at three plants at midnight

1977
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Speaker 8: on September fifteenth has become a national movement. We knew

1978
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Speaker 8: we were getting close, but we also knew the companies

1979
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Speaker 8: needed a major push. If we were gonna make sure

1980
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Speaker 8: we got every penny pop ussible in this agreement. So

1981
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Speaker 8: we took our strike to a new phase and hit

1982
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Speaker 8: the companies with maximum effect.

1983
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Speaker 9: So when we say historic, we mean it. We have

1984
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Speaker 9: won a twenty five percent general wage increase over the

1985
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Speaker 9: course of this agreement with Cola. We expect the top

1986
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Speaker 9: wage rate to increase by over thirty percent to above

1987
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Speaker 9: forty dollars an hour. Our starting wage rate will rise

1988
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Speaker 9: sixty eight percent for decades temps at the Big Three

1989
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Speaker 9: have been abused and exploited. Over the life of the contract,

1990
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Speaker 9: temps will see raises of over one hundred and fifty percent.

1991
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Speaker 9: Some of our lower tier members at Stirling Axel in Rossenville,

1992
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Speaker 9: we'll see an immediate eighty five percent raise upon ratification.

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Speaker 1: So those are some of the key provisions. Just to

1994
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Speaker 1: reiterate here, twenty five percent raised through April of twenty

1995
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Speaker 1: twenty eight, starting wages going out by sixty eight percent

1996
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Speaker 1: to twenty eight bucks an hour, reinstatement of cost of

1997
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Speaker 1: living adjustments that those had been lost in two thousand

1998
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Speaker 1: and nine, workers helped to bail out the automakers, a

1999
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Speaker 1: right to strike over plant closures. That's actually a big

2000
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Speaker 1: deal that they're you know, if a plant is being

2001
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Speaker 1: threatened with closure, they can go out on strike and

2002
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Speaker 1: protest that move.

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Speaker 4: That's a big deal.

2004
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Speaker 1: Abolishing two tiers, abolishing multi tiers at two major plants,

2005
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Speaker 1: top pay rises to forty bucks an hour. It's now

2006
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Speaker 1: at thirty two dollars an hour. New workers to reach

2007
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Speaker 1: the top wage after three years instead of eight, more

2008
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Speaker 1: retirement funding for retirees those with pensions, and four to

2009
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Speaker 1: oh one case. So, as I said, membership has to

2010
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Speaker 1: vote on it and see if they think that this

2011
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Speaker 1: is sufficient. But it's also not a surprise to me

2012
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Speaker 1: soccer that Ford was the first one to be able

2013
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Speaker 1: to come to a deal, because the reporting I had

2014
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Speaker 1: seen is that Ford actually had the best relationship with

2015
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Speaker 1: the UAW and the CEO there had tried to maintain

2016
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Speaker 1: close relations and so it's not a surprise to me

2017
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Speaker 1: they're the first ones to come. And we'll see what

2018
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Speaker 1: happens at the other two automakers. But you know, these

2019
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Speaker 1: already are huge CONCESSI huge victory, and I think really

2020
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Speaker 1: validates the strategy and the tactics that Sean Faine, their

2021
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 1: brand new president of the UAW, used in order to

2022
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Speaker 1: secure these games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean twenty five percent is nothing to sneeze at,

2024
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Speaker 2: and forty dollars an hour is good money. I just

2025
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Speaker 2: still think we all have to remember to annualize it

2026
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Speaker 2: because people forget. You know, at the top line, that's

2027
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Speaker 2: eighty three thousand dollars two hundred a year. I mean, yes,

2028
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Speaker 2: you also receive benefits like healthcare, pension four oh one K,

2029
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Speaker 2: so I'm not going to discount that. But on a

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Speaker 2: cash basis, that puts you like solidly middle class in America.

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Speaker 2: It puts you in a place where you can afford

2032
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Speaker 2: like roughly a four hundred thousand dollars house, although you

2033
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Speaker 2: was still it's going to take you a while to

2034
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Speaker 2: come up with a down payment. And that's the wage

2035
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Speaker 2: of the top assembly line worker. There's still a twenty

2036
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Speaker 2: five percent bump, so I believe that brings somebody to

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Speaker 2: around forty thousand dollars a year. Again, you get decent benefits.

2038
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Speaker 2: It's not like they gave them the remember the vaunted

2039
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Speaker 2: what is it four day a week? If that's not

2040
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Speaker 2: included in the agreement. I always thought, I'm like, this

2041
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Speaker 2: guy's reached.

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Speaker 3: The Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 2: I was like that's not actually gonna happen, you know,

2044
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Speaker 2: But it didn't happen. They agreed to this deal, as

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Speaker 2: you said, let's see, I'm curious what the membership thinks

2046
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Speaker 2: of it. Although I mean to get costs of living

2047
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Speaker 2: adjustments back when they were suspended in two thousand and nine,

2048
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Speaker 2: that's pretty big in itself because it's not frozen in time.

2049
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Speaker 2: You get the COLA adjustment, and that is really one

2050
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Speaker 2: of the reasons why they have not just suffered like

2051
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Speaker 2: lack of wage inflation, they actually suffered deflation over the

2052
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Speaker 2: last decade. So if it were me, I would take

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Speaker 2: the deal. I think that's a pretty good deal.

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Speaker 1: The other and now the other two automakers kind of

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Speaker 1: have a roadmap for like, okay, if we want this

2056
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Speaker 1: to be over and at this point, this strike is

2057
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Speaker 1: hitting some of their most profitable plants, Like if we

2058
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Speaker 1: want to end this, all right, this is what it

2059
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Speaker 1: would take. That's why there's you know, more likely than

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Speaker 1: not that there'll be a lot of pressure on them

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Speaker 1: and they'd be able to come to tentative agreement with

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Speaker 1: those two other automakers as well in the near future.

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Speaker 4: Let's hope. The other thing here is you know.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of workers across the country, not

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Speaker 1: just autoworkers, but also auto workers at Tesla and other

2066
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Speaker 1: foreign automakers that have plants down south who are looking

2067
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 1: at these wages, who were looking at what was able

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Speaker 1: to be secured here and are thinking like, why am

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Speaker 1: I doing the same job for so much less money.

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Speaker 4: So between this, between what the.

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Speaker 1: Ups workers were able to secure, between what the actors

2072
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Speaker 1: were or the sorry the writers were able to secure

2073
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:26,639
Speaker 1: in terms of their deal, there's a number of very

2074
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:31,679
Speaker 1: clear demonstrations of what you can achieve with a union,

2075
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 1: with this type of collective bargaining, And so I think

2076
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 1: that that helps to spur and continues to spark an

2077
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Speaker 1: increased interest and increase success throughout labor organizing. So from

2078
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Speaker 1: that perspective, it's also very exciting and much bigger than

2079
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: not to say just but much bigger than just this

2080
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Speaker 1: one industry, especially since the American auto industry is just

2081
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:53,680
Speaker 1: such an iconic part of American life.

2082
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one good thing is from GM's perspective, they actually

2083
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 2: just reported their earnings, and their earnings actually rose quarter

2084
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 2: over quarter if they did project a single quarter seven

2085
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Speaker 2: percent drop in profit, but they're still profitable as a company,

2086
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 2: so they've got the margin at least right now to

2087
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 2: negotiate from that, and now they have their roadmap. So

2088
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 2: hopefully this does show us that we're coming to an end,

2089
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Speaker 2: although you don't know, you know, it certainly could continue.

2090
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Speaker 2: No way to say, all right, we'll see you guys later,

2091
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Speaker 2: Premium subs and everybody else. We're gonna have a separate

2092
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 2: interview with Darryl Cooper of the Martyr Made podcast is

2093
01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 2: going to post later. We just didn't want to include

2094
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Speaker 2: it as part of the main show because we want

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Speaker 2: to get this one out on time.

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Speaker 3: We'll post it as a separate podcast. You guys can

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Speaker 3: look out for that.

2098
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Speaker 2: Obviously, the premiums you guys will get that first, will

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Speaker 2: be on standby should any breaking news or anything happen.

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Speaker 3: But otherwise we will see you all on Monday,