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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. This week, we have

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Speaker 1: some exciting news. Matthew Perry's autopsy results were revealed. So

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Speaker 1: do you want to get into this story of the week, Maria.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So we had talked about his death on our

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Speaker 2: very first episode, which was on November first. So his

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Speaker 2: autopsy results finally came out, which we're a little quicker

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Speaker 2: than we were anticipating, right because when Lisa Marie Presley

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Speaker 2: had died last year, it took quite a long time

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Speaker 2: for them to come out. So what's come out is

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Speaker 2: that he died from acute effects of ketamine. Do you

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Speaker 2: want to explain that for everybody?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So he has a really long history of addiction. First,

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Speaker 1: he started out with alcohol when he was a teenager,

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Speaker 1: and then he had a jet ski accident and he

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Speaker 1: got into taking opioid pills, and then he developed a

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Speaker 1: really crazy addiction for that. He was taking upwards of

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Speaker 1: fifty five pills a day at one point during his addiction,

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Speaker 1: he did multiple ballots of treatment of rehab. He had

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Speaker 1: a lot of surgeries because of a bowel obstruction, so

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Speaker 1: when you take opioids, you can have chronic constipation. And

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Speaker 1: what happens is that if the poop can't move through,

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Speaker 1: then when the new food starts breaking down and turns

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Speaker 1: into poop, there's nowhere for it to go out, and

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Speaker 1: then it causes the ball to dilate behind it, and

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Speaker 1: then eventually it could perforate, or as he would say,

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Speaker 1: his colon exploded, and he ended up getting multiple surgeries

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Speaker 1: as a result of that. He had to have a

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Speaker 1: colosto bee bag for a short period of time, and

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Speaker 1: because of that, he developed lots of surgical adhesions, which

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Speaker 1: are scars in the abdominal cavity, and he was he

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Speaker 1: it seems like he was in chronic pain because of that,

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Speaker 1: which makes complete sense because I know people who personally

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Speaker 1: have that that do suffer from chronic pain. And so

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Speaker 1: he was he was trying to get off the opioids,

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Speaker 1: and he was taking medication for that to get off

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Speaker 1: of the opioids, and then he was also doing this

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Speaker 1: treatment called ketamine, which when I was a kid, that

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Speaker 1: was called special k have you I don't know, Ray

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Speaker 1: if if you, if that was around when you were

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Speaker 1: a kid, But it was just like another form of

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure it was, but I'm sure it

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Speaker 2: was regarded as a narc so nobody was.

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Speaker 1: Maria. Yeah, Maria like the rule follower. They never talked

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Speaker 1: to drugs, uh with you? But yeah, so he was

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Speaker 1: doing Now It's like you hear about this on the

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Speaker 1: news all the time. There's all of these who did it,

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Speaker 1: Christy Teagan and who else had said they did it?

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Speaker 2: So Chrissy Teign had done a treatment and Adriana on

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Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Miami just on a recent episode head

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Speaker 2: they actually filmed her doing it, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I would never want to be filmed being high on

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Speaker 2: something like this.

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Speaker 1: So the theory is is that they give you this

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Speaker 1: this low dose of this drug called ketamine, which is

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Speaker 1: usually used as an anesthetic for people. The best example

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Speaker 1: like microdose of it, and it's supposed to help with

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Speaker 1: under a medical doctor's care. And what the toxicology results

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Speaker 1: under anesthesia. In fact, he hadn't had a ketamine treatment

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Speaker 1: get abused. So that's what they found in the autopsy report.

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Speaker 1: He was not on opioid's while he was on the

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Speaker 1: So we had damage to his left anterior dessetting coronary artery,

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Speaker 1: He didn't just drown in the hot tub. It was

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Speaker 2: So do you think if he was on the couch

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Speaker 2: to be slip under the water as well? Well?

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Speaker 1: If he was having he was if he was having

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Speaker 1: It depends when the assistant was there, if she found

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Speaker 1: him right away, Like I'm not really I'm not really

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Speaker 1: sure to be honest with you, but that was what

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Speaker 2: Okay, got it. Well, let's move on to some celebrity news.

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Speaker 2: Our first story is another housewife, Teddy Mellencamp, daughter of

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Speaker 2: John Cougar Mellencamp. Last year, she had been diagnosed with

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Speaker 2: stage two melanoma, and she has just recently announced that

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Speaker 2: in the last year she's been diagnosed with an additional

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Speaker 2: thirteen melanomas and that her immunotherapy treatment is not really

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Speaker 2: working out as she had hopes. So I don't really

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Speaker 2: understand what immunotherapy is necessarily, do you? Can you give

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Speaker 2: an explanation of how that works.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the whole entire job of your immune system

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Speaker 1: is when things come in like bacteria, germs, your immune

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Speaker 1: system fights it as foreign and you don't want your

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Speaker 1: if it did well, it does sometimes that's what an

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Speaker 1: autoimmune disease is. And sometimes these melanoma cells can trick themselves,

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Speaker 1: they could trick the immune system and they can continue

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Speaker 1: as varn So they give this these medications. Sometimes it's creamed.

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Speaker 1: What happened was, I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: she had all of these excisions done, and it's in

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Speaker 1: used didn't it didn't work. Yeah, I mean, I also

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Speaker 1: and it's scary, and I do. She's not my favorite

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Speaker 1: and being like, if your doctor tells you to come

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Speaker 1: You don't wait four, you don't wait five, you don't

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Speaker 1: so it's scary, and she's she's so young, she's forty two.

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Speaker 1: And actually we have a family friend that just had

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Speaker 1: And my first question to my friend was is there

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Speaker 1: But it's just really it's really really important to know

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Speaker 2: No, definitely, it's really scary and people just got to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they could always do they could always do a

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Speaker 1: And that's one thing that I was saying with my

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Speaker 2: No, definitely, and she's so young.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into the freak accidents.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the child was a shot with a high

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Speaker 2: powered air rifle quote unquote and then died. So in Arizona,

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Speaker 2: this man was using a high powered air rifle to

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Speaker 2: shoot twenty two caliber pellets at targets. I actually called

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Speaker 2: our resident hunting expert, your brother, my uncle.

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Speaker 1: Louie, to ask, well, do you want to hear something great?

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Speaker 1: So right before we started recording, I called Louis and

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Speaker 1: because I always want to run past him gun questions

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I'm saying the right thing,

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Speaker 1: because even looking things up online, it doesn't do the

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, that's exactly why I called him though, because

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Speaker 2: in the article that we're reporting on they reported that

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Speaker 2: when I googled them, they were coming up as hunting tools,

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Speaker 1: how much you're trained to see all this stuff, whether

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Speaker 1: you're a firefighter, cop, whatever, it still is is like

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Speaker 1: really hard to take when you see something like that.

439
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: And how do you just like not think that guy's

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Speaker 1: the biggest piece of shit and treat him with any

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Speaker 1: kind of respect. I would just be That's why I

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Speaker 1: couldn't be a cop. I would just I would not

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Speaker 1: have tolerance to deal with that person, a drunk person

444
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Speaker 1: that just killed somebody like that.

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Speaker 2: No, so more than obviously, this guy has been arrested

446
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Speaker 2: and charges are pending. Okay, onto the next story, which

447
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Speaker 2: is kind of a really scary thing that happens with

448
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Speaker 2: a lot of parents and newborns is co sleeping. So

449
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: this story is about a mother was co sleeping with

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Speaker 2: her infant and her hair had wrapped around the baby's

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Speaker 2: neck and she woke up to her hair being pulled

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Speaker 2: and the baby crying, and another person in the house

453
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Speaker 2: had to use a knife to cut the hair off

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Speaker 2: of the baby's neck and the baby almost died. But

455
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Speaker 2: very fortunately in this situation had survived it.

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Speaker 1: I am a guilty co sleeping parent. At least I

457
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Speaker 1: was with you, and you survived it luckily. But when

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Speaker 1: I went to after I went to the medical Examiner's office,

459
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Speaker 1: so you already we like a teenager by then, or

460
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Speaker 1: almost a teenager. I changed my mind completely because I

461
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Speaker 1: couldn't believe how many babies died from co sleeping, and

462
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Speaker 1: in fact, like thirty five hundred babies die a year

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Speaker 1: from co sleeping incidents. And I remember one of the

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Speaker 1: residents that I used to work with in pathology had

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Speaker 1: she had just had a baby, and she told me

466
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Speaker 1: she was doing that, and I was just like, dude, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to lecture you, but like I'm just

468
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Speaker 1: saying that this happens, and people don't realize it. And

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Speaker 1: a lot of times, especially with new moms, it's I mean,

470
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Speaker 1: the baby was one, but still when you have a

471
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Speaker 1: one year old that you're not sleeping through the night

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Speaker 1: and you have worked the next day and you're just

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Speaker 1: trying to get by like everybody else, and then the

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Speaker 1: lack of sleep could put you in such a deep

475
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Speaker 1: sleep that you could accidentally roll over the baby. I've

476
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Speaker 1: actually never heard this particular one of hair wrapping around

477
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Speaker 1: the baby's neck. But yeah, it's something. It's something they

478
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: sell so many things now that you could put right

479
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Speaker 1: next to the bed to put the baby into the

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Speaker 1: baby safer. But you're still there, so there's really no

481
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Speaker 1: excuse for it anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, all I could see was that this

483
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Speaker 2: woman was just so exhausted. You've been a mom, so

484
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Speaker 2: you know, with I'm still exhausted. I'm still exhausted from

485
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Speaker 2: when they were babies. I'll never catch up on sleep again.

486
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Speaker 2: You're still exhausted from nineteen ninety four. Yes, well not

487
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Speaker 2: with you, because I stuck you in bed with me.

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Speaker 2: I slept fine. Luckily you survived it. No, but I

489
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Speaker 2: just I could totally see how this happened so easily,

490
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Speaker 2: and it's just sad, but at least in this situation

491
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Speaker 2: that it ended up working out. Okay, all right, explain

492
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: this next story to me, because I feel like a

493
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: certain way after reading it twice now and I don't

494
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: really understand why there was a lawsuit, But do you

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00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 2: want to talk about it? So in September of twenty seventeen,

496
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 2: this woman had gone to a party with her friends

497
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: and around four am. The friends told the mother that

498
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Speaker 2: they couldn't find the friend. So later it turns out

499
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Speaker 2: that on surveillance video they see this woman walking around

500
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Speaker 2: at three point thirty in the morning, heavily intoxicated, near

501
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Speaker 2: this walk in freezer at this hotel, and they didn't

502
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Speaker 2: find her for twenty one hours. So by the time

503
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Speaker 2: they found her, she had died from hypo or hia hypothermia,

504
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Speaker 2: So she had been found dead in the freezer, and

505
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Speaker 2: the family was suing, saying that they didn't look for

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Speaker 2: her fast enough, they didn't review the security camera fast enough,

507
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Speaker 2: and if the hotel had been regularly monitoring the cameras,

508
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: they would have seen her go in and found her quicker.

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Speaker 2: I also don't think this warrants a lawsuit because they

510
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: came to the conclusion that she was really intoxicated and

511
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: on medication for seizure slash migraines, which is a medication

512
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Speaker 2: that both of us have been on in our life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's probably topa max or something.

514
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I remember when I was on topin Max,

515
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 2: I was heavily encouraged not to consume alcohol on it.

516
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Speaker 2: And I don't know about your experience with it. But

517
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Speaker 2: I already felt like my brain was severely delayed when

518
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: I was on that medication and I was not making

519
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: good judgments, so I can't imagine introducing alcohol into that

520
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: environment as well. But it's seeming like she got really

521
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: drunk or blacked out, maybe even from the combination of

522
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Speaker 2: her medication and drinking, and then stumbled into this freezer

523
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Speaker 2: and froze to death.

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Speaker 1: So still, so the obvious question is why is this

525
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Speaker 1: the problem?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but they settled and the family was

527
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Speaker 2: granted ten million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I just don't I don't understand it. Like I'm like,

529
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Speaker 1: so you go to someone's place and you get drunk

530
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: and then you get trapped into something, and then that's

531
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Speaker 1: their fault. Like I I personal, why is it their

532
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: problem that they have to look for a missing adult

533
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: and it's and she wandered into this freezer. I feel

534
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Speaker 1: like I have to be missing more of the story

535
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Speaker 1: because it doesn't make any sense to me unless they

536
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know they asked for fifty million dollars

537
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Speaker 1: and they settled for ten million. They probably just wanted

538
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Speaker 1: it to go away. But I'm looking at it like, like, listen,

539
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: I the lady lost her daughter and it sucks, like,

540
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: trust me, it sucks. But I just don't see how

541
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: it's the hotel's fault, Like why they're not the babysitter.

542
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't agree to watch your daughter while

543
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: she was drunk and wandering around. I just don't understand.

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00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: Well, I guess they're trying to say that if it

545
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: was standard procedure, as it should have been, to be

546
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: monitoring these cameras more regularly, than they could have found

547
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: her faster than twenty one hours later, which could have

548
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: saved her life. And that's where the settlement's coming from.

549
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: But she shouldst place to see. Yeah, that's how I

550
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: feel like it. It's not anybody, I don't know, Like

551
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: it's a weird it's not anybody's responsibilities. What you're monitoring

552
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: habits are as a business.

553
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean maybe there's obviously like

554
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: a jury heard this and awarded it and everything. Maybe

555
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: or they settled.

556
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, they settled so it didn't go

557
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: to a dress, Okay, so they just wanted it to pay,

558
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: so they just wanted it to go away. Then Yeah,

559
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: like I yeah, I could see that happening because they

560
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: were the family was seeking fifty million, so I guess

561
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: paying a fifth of that is way better than risking

562
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Speaker 2: going to court and having to pay that much money.

563
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: But I don't see, as it's little outsider, how they

564
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Speaker 2: would be responsible for that at all.

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Speaker 1: Okay, today's episode is brought to you today by Stinkbomb.

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Speaker 1: Thanks stink Bomb. All right, ray, do you want to

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Speaker 1: get into some violent crime? So this next story is

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Speaker 1: out of Turkey. This man is saying in July, he

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Speaker 1: took his girlfriend up to the top of a cliff

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Speaker 1: and he proposed to her and she said yes. Then

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Speaker 1: he went to his car to get some food, her screaming,

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Speaker 1: and found that she had fallen one hundred feet to

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Speaker 1: her death. So now, all these months later, after an investigation,

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Speaker 1: police don't really think that's what happened because after interviewing

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Speaker 1: her family, they believe that she was about to break

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Speaker 1: up with him. When they got to the scene, the

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Speaker 1: ring was still in his pocket, which, as you know,

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Speaker 1: as an engage person, you kind of have an unusual

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00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 1: engagement story. But what is my engagement story? Because like

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00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: I still don't know if I ever did get engaged.

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Speaker 1: I guess I did last year, right, who knows? I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: But as somebody with a traditional engagement, typically the partner

610
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: takes up the ring, presents it, and then you immediately

611
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: put it on if you're going to go forward with

612
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: it and say yes, which is what happened in my case.

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00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: And so this question really quick, does it?

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Speaker 1: Could you really say no? Like?

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Speaker 2: Do you yeah?

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Speaker 1: Do you not know that you're getting proposed to?

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Speaker 2: Seriously? I think some people really don't. I think some

618
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: guys eyes are totally out of touch and can't read

619
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Speaker 2: the room like this person, and and no, and then

620
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: situations happened where they get really angry when somebody rejects them,

621
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Speaker 2: and then they push them off of a cliff. Yeah apparently,

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Speaker 2: so yeah. They the investigators noted that he still had

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Speaker 2: the ring in the box in his pocket, which they

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Speaker 2: thought was kind of an unusual thing. If she had

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Speaker 2: said yes and the proposal had just happened moments before,

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Speaker 2: and there were signs of a struggle, broken glass, a

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Speaker 2: broken speaker, So they're definitely thinking that he pushed her,

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Speaker 2: That she said no to the proposal and he pushed her.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is kind of a genius spot to propose,

630
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Speaker 1: I suppose, if you're going to get rejected. Well, her

631
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Speaker 1: family also said that she had severe panic attacks and

632
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Speaker 1: she would have never willingly stood so close to a cliff. Wow,

633
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: that's something to take into consideration as well. Yes, so

634
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Speaker 1: if I ever fall off a cliff because Gabe was

635
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: trying to do something nice for me, you definitely should

636
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Speaker 1: be wary because you know that I don't even like

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Speaker 1: to stand close to the edge at the mall because

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00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm so scared of heights. We know, Okay, all right,

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00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: next story, Let's talk about this piece of shit Ruby Frank.

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Speaker 2: A couple months ago. These Ricky hates this word, so

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for him to listen to this. Mommy bloggers.

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00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: So these two women that were mommy bloggers, which is

643
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: like women that run a blog or Instagram or TikTok

644
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: about how to be the best parent you can be.

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00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: And ironically enough, both of them have been arrested and

646
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Speaker 2: accused of child abuse. So these two women, Ruby Frank

647
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Speaker 2: and Jody Hildebrandt, who was her business partner, both of

648
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Speaker 2: them were charged with six counts of child abuse between

649
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Speaker 2: their two kids. So Ruby Frank has just pled guilty

650
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Speaker 2: this week to four of the six counts. She had

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Speaker 2: six kids, so I don't know if I only four

652
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Speaker 2: of them got abused, but one of them. One of

653
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: the charges were for physical abuse, so she was physically

654
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: tying up one of her kids, especially after that the

655
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: kid tried to escape from the house. So after the

656
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: escape attempt, she started tying the child up and how horrible.

657
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: And then the second one was for emotional abuse for

658
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: trying to tell this other kid that she was possessed

659
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: and needed to be punished. And then the third and

660
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: fourth charges that she agreed to says severe emotional harm

661
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 2: inflicted by another child. So it seems that she was

662
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: encouraging the other kids to harass one another too. She

663
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: is disgusting. She's getting sentenced in February, and she is

664
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: going to testify against the other woman, which I feel

665
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: like will be really interesting to watch.

666
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it well, actually she I heard that, so she

667
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: was she was tying the kids. She was bounding the

668
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: kid's arms with like handcuffs and zip ties and things

669
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: like that, and then he had these really deep like

670
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: lacerations and abrasions on his arm. And then I heard

671
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: she was putting like hot sauce on them something. It's

672
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: just so it's so gross and the fact that she

673
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: publicly was trying to act like she was like this

674
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: really good mom, although she a lot of people that

675
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: watched her YouTube channel said she did say things that

676
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: were alarming about wasn't there a story that the six

677
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: year old that was in first grade went to school

678
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: without a lunch and then the school had called and said,

679
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: could you bring your daughter a lunch? She forgot it

680
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: and then she said no, I'm not she should have

681
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: made it this morning before she went to school or something.

682
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think there was a lot of stuff

683
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: like that. And this story first broke when one of

684
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 2: the kids got out of the house and got help

685
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: from a neighbor, and then it kind of opened Pandora's

686
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: box on the whole situation. But they are saying that

687
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: some of her followers, viewers, whatever platform she was on,

688
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: had reported weird behavior in the past, like the lunch incident.

689
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: You said the kids, some of the kids appeared to

690
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: be malnourished. She would make them stand outside for hours

691
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: at a time and they would get severe sunburn.

692
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: It's really which Yeah, and I was thinking about that too, actually,

693
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: going back to the Mellencamp story that if a kid,

694
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean there it is just a known correlation that

695
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: children that get really bad sunburns as children grow up

696
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: to be adults that are at a higher predisposition for melanoma.

697
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: And this not only I mean, obviously this abuse is

698
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: going to totally fuck this kid up for the rest

699
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: of his life anyway, Like now he might have to

700
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: be dealing with a medical issue in the future because

701
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: he was getting such severe sunburns as a child. It's

702
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: just it seriously pisses me off so bad. I hope

703
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: she goes to prison and gets treated, gets the really

704
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: good prison treatment.

705
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just feel like every week I'm

706
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: so disheartened to hear these stories of these people that

707
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: just should not have children, when certain people work so

708
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: hard to have kids and aren't naturally blessed with them.

709
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: So this really pisses me off. Whenever we talk about

710
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: a story like this, because I'm just like, so, this

711
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: lady like had six kids and just doesn't give a

712
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: shit and treats them absolutely horrible, and now six lives

713
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: are traumatized for no reason. What's the husband's role in

714
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: all of this? That's been pretty quiet. I'm gonna be

715
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: really interested to see that, and I'm really fascinated to

716
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: see what she's gonna say and maybe try to pin

717
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: against the other lady in total narcissist fashions.

718
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, also think about she she used the children for

719
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: her YouTube series. I mean, the whole thing is just

720
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: it's it's really gross. Okay, this next story is super scary,

721
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: right ray. Yeah, this family was driving on a highway

722
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: in California, and they said this car with two people

723
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: in it was kind of like driving like crazy, cutting

724
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: them off, getting in front of them, getting in behind

725
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: of them, so and they were following the family. So

726
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: finally the driver slowed down the family of the family

727
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: car and the people in the other car pulled out

728
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: a gun and shot at the car, shooting their young

729
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: child in the bad and killing the kid. Yeah, that

730
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: killed the four year old kid right in front of

731
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: his parents. The parents brought him to the hospital, right

732
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: away and he was pronounced dead. And this scare This

733
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: scares me because you know that my husband drives like

734
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 1: a maniac. He's we're always going to a fire, even

735
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: if he's off for the week and we're on vacation,

736
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: and people get pissed if he cuts them off or something,

737
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, listen, like you hear stories like that,

738
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: and you can really just piss off the wrong person

739
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they're following you and

740
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: they do some dumb shit, and even if it's just

741
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: cut you off and try to get you to crash

742
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: your car or something, it's just really scary. And what

743
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: it was Two people did end up getting arrested for this, right, Yeah,

744
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old and a twenty seven year old, Like.

745
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: What is it?

746
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: What's the point of the what was the point of that?

747
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: It's so stupid. And I've seen a lot of studies

748
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: that road rage acts, so men that are depressed typically

749
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: don't get treatment for it as often as women do,

750
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: and it subsequently comes out in road rage. So that's yeah,

751
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: So I think that's a really fascinating thing. Maybe we

752
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: could do a deep dive on that one episode about

753
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: how that all kind of works out. But so they're

754
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: saying that men have this build up and build up

755
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: and build up of depression and they don't have the

756
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 2: same outlets as or they're not as open to treatment

757
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: as females can be. So therefore it comes out like

758
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 2: the littlest thing this family might have not even knowingly

759
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 2: cut them off or did something, and then it doesn't matter.

760
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: They snap and then these horrible events happen. So it's

761
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: really sad to see stuff like this. And I'm sure

762
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: everybody that's ever driven a car is at a situation

763
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: where you've accidentally stopped a little late, or you've cut

764
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: somebody off toiletly by accident, and the person just starts

765
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: freaking out and you're like, oh my god, it was

766
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: an accident.

767
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah right. You're like you're looking at them like, okay, wow,

768
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: you're this mad because I caught you off, Like what

769
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: are you like at home? And I had that, didn't

770
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: I tell you that I had that happen to me

771
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: when I was like seventeen years old driving my nineteen

772
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: eighty four Chevy celebrity like some box chalk and these

773
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: two guys they like followed me all through the neighborhood,

774
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: and I didn't go. I was smart enough not to

775
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: drive home and pull in so they would know where

776
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: I lived. But it like scared the shit out of me,

777
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: and like they couldn't tell. I was like a young

778
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: teenage girl that they had to mess with me like that.

779
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: It's just kind of weird.

780
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: Oh, they don't care this. This happened to me when

781
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: I first moved into my house. I was at a

782
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: light near my house and you can turn right on red,

783
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: but there was a pedestrian crossing the street, so I

784
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: clearly couldn't turn, and the woman behind me was honking

785
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: her horn waving her arms up, and I'm like, do

786
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: you not see a person's crossing the street? Like I

787
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: can't turn?

788
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: Wait a second, should have just turned right into them

789
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: and then drove forty miles away with them in the

790
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: front seat of your car.

791
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: Exactly Everyone else is doing it, so why can't I

792
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: do it?

793
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: Okay? This next story is about a man who just

794
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: decided that he was going to put eye drops in

795
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 1: his what was his nephew.

796
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there they're saying that this guy they were

797
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: aut of food establishment, but it didn't name the business.

798
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 2: It was either a restaurant or a fact. I'm assuming

799
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: it was a regular restaurant based on the rest of it.

800
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: But they're saying that this guy asked for vizine from

801
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: the waiter, which you know, I worked in the restaurant

802
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 2: industry for over ten years and people ask for Thailand

803
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: all and stuff, but like we always say no because

804
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: you can't be responsible for giving somebody something like that.

805
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: But this customer asked for vizine. Somebody acquired it and

806
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: gave it to him, and they saw him spray the

807
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: eye drops in this kid's meatball sandwich, okay, and then

808
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: they were like, you know, you could hurt somebody, right,

809
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: and he said, oh I hate him today and he's

810
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: just gonna shit his brains out.

811
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, Like I I think so I

812
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: can't understand talent all because, like when you get a headache,

813
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: you just feel really shitty and you want it to

814
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: go away. So I would I would. I would actually

815
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: probably ask like, hey, do you have any talentol or something?

816
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: But eye drops, Like, when is there ever a situation

817
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: where unless it was like allergy, eye drops because it's

818
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: worse feeling in the world when your eyes are like itching.

819
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: But It isn't like vizine just for because your eyes

820
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: are red. You just want them not to be read anymore.

821
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: It's not like an emergency. You could wait till you

822
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: go to the drug store or something.

823
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 2: Well, they make all different kinds of it, so they

824
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: also have allergy whatever. I have some in my bag.

825
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, well so the whole the whole theory is

826
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: is that it's a vaso constrictor right, because it takes

827
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: the blood vessels in your eyes and makes them smaller,

828
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: so your eyes aren't red anymore. But when you inges,

829
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: the eye drops, the eye drops. Don't know that it

830
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: should just do the vessels in your eyes versus the

831
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: vessels around your heart and the vessels in the rest

832
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 1: of your body. So if it's constricting all of your vessels,

833
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: especially in like a four year old kid like that,

834
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: could that's considered poisoning a child. I mean, he's gonna

835
00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna be like an attempted murder charge. What a dumba.

836
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it said the age of the nephew.

837
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: I thought it's somebody was four.

838
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because he said he ate the sandwich,

839
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: not knowing that it was tampered with and he refused

840
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: medical treatment. So I don't have a child, and there

841
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: was a history, like a year's long history of domestic

842
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 2: abuse within this family, so with the.

843
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: Kid it just said with I did read that, but

844
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: I was like, so there's a kid that's been having

845
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: domestic abuse issues with this guy. I don't think so

846
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: maybe the nephew is of it. It doesn't matter regardless

847
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: if he's of age, then.

848
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: Maybe I think that he could have been like Louise,

849
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: my uncle and only seven years old me.

850
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know why I thought it

851
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: was all right. I feel a little different about the story,

852
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: but honestly, I still don't. You still shouldn't try to

853
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: poison anyone.

854
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 2: But if that's why I say, Louise like my brunkle

855
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: because he's kind of like my brother, but my uncle.

856
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: So it's this weird age gap because I'm twenty nine

857
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: and he's thirty six.

858
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, okay, yeah, But regardless, you could still

859
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: poison someone and kill someone, didn't We I feel like

860
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: we had a story. It might have been when we

861
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: were still doing the podcast in the grocery, but it

862
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: was when somebody did successfully poison someone with eye drops.

863
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: Right, No, this was just a couple of weeks ago.

864
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: That woman put a bunch of vizine in her friend's

865
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: drink because she said she was like a my strange

866
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: addiction situation drinking them because she was oh yeah, and

867
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: then she died. But they found all this fraudulent behavior

868
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: with the woman in her wealth. So yeah, so regardless,

869
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: this guy's getting an attempted murder charge.

870
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: A what a moron?

871
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: All right?

872
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: Yeah?

873
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: This all right?

874
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: So this next story, I almost I didn't want to

875
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: put it under the violent crime section. But since the

876
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: guy was charged with attempted murder or was he charged

877
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: with murder? Yeah, I guess he was because it was

878
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: successful to tell them the story, and then you'll know

879
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: why I'm saying this.

880
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: This woman was diagnosed with breast cancer in twenty twenty,

881
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: and she was now on hospice in twenty or sorry,

882
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: she was on hospice in twenty twenty one. This incident

883
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: happened two years ago, so she was on hospice in

884
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and allegedly, in front of her entire family,

885
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: her husband tried to choke her to death. So she's

886
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 2: her pain.

887
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: She was diagnosed with breast cancer in twenty and twenty

888
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: and it was immediately like metastasized to her heart or

889
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: to her brain and her lungs or something. She added

890
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: all over her body, lungs, liver, et cetera. And she

891
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: was on hospice and the husband went up to her

892
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: and like put his hand over her neck in front

893
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: of the family and tried to well successfully suffocated her

894
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: to ease or suffering. And I don't know, like I

895
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: was even talking about this case with Gabe this week,

896
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: and I just I'm like, I wish you would do

897
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: that if that happened to me. And I was listen

898
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: to this and let me tell you why. It said

899
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: right before that she died, she was trying to get

900
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: radiation and she was trying to do any like last

901
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: minute thing to try to make this go away. She

902
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: had chemo, she had radiation, and it said that she

903
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: had multiple rounds and she was suffering, and she had

904
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: radiation burns that caused open sores and blisters in her

905
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: throat making it impossible to eat. And the only thing

906
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: she might be able to get down is like a

907
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: little bit of an Insure shake. And if she thought

908
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: that she would get better after this and stuff. But

909
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: when they're telling her like your stage four cancer, you're dying,

910
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: you're suffering and stuff. I mean, I don't think that

911
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: the husband should be charged with attempted murder. He was

912
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: because people you're gonna think this as fucked up for

913
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 1: me to say. But like people can go get euthanasian

914
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: in certain I don't know if you could get it

915
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: in America. You can write in certain states, you could

916
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: do medical euthanasia. I mean, maybe him and his wife

917
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: had talk beforehand and she said like like I just

918
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: did with my husband, like, don't ever let me suffer

919
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: like that, please. I don't know, but I don't.

920
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: She didn't die from him doing it. She did die

921
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: the next day, but it wasn't from him.

922
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: So they're saying that her closet death is from end

923
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: stage breast cancer.

924
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: He's getting charge of attempted murder. Yeah, not for murders

925
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: and so, and he said he would do it, he

926
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: would do it again.

927
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: And I'm just I don't know, Like if I saw

928
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: Gabe in that condition, I could I could see how

929
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: a person wouldn't want to see the person that they

930
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: love suffering like that. I mean it's not right, but

931
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: it's not I don't attempted murder is like prison time

932
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: and stuff, and is that necessary.

933
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with this arrangement that couples

934
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: seem to have Sometimes if somebody's terminally ill. I think

935
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: his problem was he did it in front of the

936
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: whole family, and if he just did it in private,

937
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: that might have resulted a little differently. Yeah, Use, I

938
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. I even if you and

939
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: Gabe had something like this going on, and like I

940
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: came to peace with like you just wanted to be

941
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: not be sick anymore. I don't think i'd be comfortable

942
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: watching Gabe choke you to death, like I'd rather it

943
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: just happen in priv Yeah, I get that. I think

944
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: that's a issue, But like, are you gonna call the

945
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: cops on.

946
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: Gabe and have him go through like years of court

947
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: in prison because of it or.

948
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: Just like no, but not everybody's chill, like every family

949
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: as a Karen, and you don't know you like read

950
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: the room, you don't know your audience.

951
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get on. Well that's why I was thinking

952
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: I should put it under medical stories, because it's just

953
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: like I'm not. I'm not that mad about it.

954
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: All right, if you really have it in your will,

955
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: like if I'm termally ill, don't charge my husband.

956
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: The thing is, though, is that like even if I

957
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: put all these funny things in the in if I

958
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: say like, hey, please put a pillow over my head,

959
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: if I'm in hospice and this and that like that,

960
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: he still could get in trouble for it. He's not allowed.

961
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to kill somebody unless you go to

962
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: a place where you can get youth in Asia. And

963
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: then it's like totally.

964
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: It's like about it. You can't just be choking somebody

965
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: in front of a.

966
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: Room because emotions come over him too much. I think

967
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 1: that guy he should have just lived.

968
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: Like, dude, we're on your side. Just you didn't do

969
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 2: the right Yeah, you had.

970
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: To think that one. Throw a little bit. All right,

971
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: let's get into the We only have one medical story

972
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: this week, and this one bothers me a little bit,

973
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: and getting back to the hockey puck. You want to

974
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: get into this.

975
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, on November fourteenth, this hockey player from the Arizona Coyot.

976
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: I can't even say this guy's name, and I don't

977
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: want to embarrass my husband, who's an NHL super fan

978
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: by saying it. But this player on the Arizona Coyotes

979
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 2: November fourteenth was hit in the mouth with a ninety

980
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: three mile per hour puck. So the doctors at the

981
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: game evaluated him and determined that it was a serious

982
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: injury and he needed to go to the hospital and

983
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: they believed it would require surgery. So they were in

984
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: Dallas when this game took place. So this player is

985
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: transported to a Dallas emergency room and he is not

986
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 2: treated for a couple hours. So when I first read

987
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: that part of the story, I was like, well, have

988
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: anybody ever been to an American emergency room? Like you're

989
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 2: there forever? So that part was you know.

990
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: What's interesting to me? Number one, Usually when you go

991
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: via ambulance, you get kind of like a back door

992
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: entrance and you get preferential treatment. And he's also like,

993
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: this is what surprised me because he's like a little VIP.

994
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of weird, not that anybody should.

995
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like anti VIP in the hospital, but

996
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: I've seen it so many times that I'm actually surprised

997
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: that he wasn't treated like a little bit more preferential

998
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 1: treatment because he was brought there from a hockey game,

999
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like a professional hockey game.

1000
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when he was there with family, they were

1001
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 2: saying he was unable to function and had a hole

1002
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: in his mouth and significant internal bleeding. But before they

1003
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: knew this, allegedly, hospital worker told him to go get

1004
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: a hotel room and come back later because they were

1005
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: understaffed and couldn't get to him and wanted to prioritize

1006
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: more traumatized patients. So I wasn't really sure, which I can't.

1007
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: I just can't believe a lot of this story.

1008
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, did that really happen? Did that really happen?

1009
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: Like would they ever tell say that? I don't know.

1010
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: But whenever he did get treatment, which was like five

1011
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: whole hours later, he got fifty five stitches. He had

1012
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: lost three teeth and fractured his bone, and the doctor

1013
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: said if he did go back to the hotel that

1014
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: he could have asphyxiated on his own blood.

1015
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: So I just can't see any situation in which a

1016
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 2: medical professional, even if he pinched his arm and came

1017
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: in and it was a Munchausen situation. Don't they legally

1018
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 2: have to evaluate you in some capacity, even if you're

1019
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: waiting for hours. They can't tell you that.

1020
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean maybe maybe they said they would eventually

1021
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: get to him and they were like, I just I don't,

1022
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I can't believe it, honestly,

1023
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: but I guess it happened. They're investigating and stuff, so

1024
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: like it happened, right, I just I can't even believe it.

1025
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's getting investigated. At least he ended up being

1026
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: okay and did not go to a hotel, if that

1027
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 2: was really said. I don't, I don't know the situation.

1028
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't in the room, But it's being investigated because

1029
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: of how long it took and allegedly them saying that.

1030
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: So it's scary to think that somebody could be going

1031
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: through something and how are you determining what's a more

1032
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: traumatic injury versus another if you're not properly evaluated.

1033
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's a crazy story, all right.

1034
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: Let's get into this our last category. Other death news

1035
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: are favorite. These almost are always the craziest stories. They're

1036
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: just they're not. So let's get into this first one.

1037
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you, this is a situation I

1038
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 2: could see really needing the stink bomb for. So this

1039
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: sick serild man called police and said there was an

1040
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: unknown person in his house and he believed that his

1041
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: wife was dead. So when the cops get there, they

1042
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: can't get in the door, it's locked, but they see

1043
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 2: a woman lying in a pool of blood in the room.

1044
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 2: So they get into the house and find that her

1045
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: her body has been like bitten in, her foot's missing

1046
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. So the guy is saying that,

1047
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 2: oh no, she did die four days ago, even though

1048
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: they think it's really been five or more days. So

1049
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 2: imagine the d coom smell when they walked in that house.

1050
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: But that he let their dogs like gnaw on her body.

1051
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: So he was there apparently, but he was like a

1052
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: little out of it obviously. Did you see the picture

1053
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: of the of the street that they lived on in Florida, Yeah,

1054
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: it looked there was like you ever, you know when

1055
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: you go to a beach town and like their front

1056
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: lawn has like sand on it because it's that close

1057
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: to the ocean. It's like one of those streets. It's

1058
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: like this beautiful looking street in Florida and I look

1059
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: at it and I'm like, oh my god, and like

1060
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: you're going down the street, it looks so nice and chill,

1061
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: and then one of the houses is like a dead

1062
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: person that the dog's been eating, and the husband's just

1063
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: kind of been sitting there letting it happen. But he

1064
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: did say he felt go ahead.

1065
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: I felt really sad by it because all the pictures

1066
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: they were sharing of the couple was like them drinking

1067
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: Martini's at the beach and eating shrimp, and I'm like,

1068
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: what happened, Like is there a mental illness thing going on?

1069
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 2: Because he appeared to be disoriented when they got there.

1070
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: He said he didn't want to He did say he

1071
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 1: didn't want to let her go, which is really sad actually,

1072
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, it is really sad. I mean, maybe she

1073
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: like had a heart attack, and I mean, the body's

1074
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: going to the medical examiner's office so they'll do an

1075
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: autopsy and determine how she died. Maybe she had a

1076
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: heart attack.

1077
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: You can't let your dogs eat your wife, though, even

1078
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: if you yeah, I'm going through shock.

1079
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: Clearly he was a little checked out, I mean obviously,

1080
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: but could you imagine though, Like, let's pretend they're like retirees, right.

1081
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: They looked like they were in their sixties or seventies

1082
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: or something. They're retirees in Florida, and they're like somebody's

1083
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: parents and you're up here, like living in a different

1084
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: area and just thinking like that, that's what's happened. I mean,

1085
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: like my in laws live in Florida, right, Like, I

1086
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: hope to God that's not happening down there. So disturbing

1087
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: it is. This next story is very it was a

1088
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: very long article that was very difficult to read what happened.

1089
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: But do you want to give them the basics of

1090
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: what happened?

1091
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? So, And in the middle, I'm going to ask

1092
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: you a question. Okay, I just want to I want

1093
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: everybody to understand, like proper procedure. In September of twenty

1094
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: twenty two, this man had died and his wishes were

1095
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: that his body was donated for organ or not his

1096
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: whole body, but his organs would be donated in the

1097
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: event of his death, and then he would be cremated.

1098
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 2: So the family gives goes into that wish and gets

1099
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: the organs donated. I'm sorry if this isn't proper terminology.

1100
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: So do you want to explain to everybody the standard

1101
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: procedure for when you die and if you're an organ

1102
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: donor and how that works first.

1103
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: So I was trying to figure out exactly what happened,

1104
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: because in the hospital there's all different ways that you

1105
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: could donate either any of your body parts, and the

1106
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: most common one in the hospital that I used to

1107
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: work at was like gift of life, which is you

1108
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: you would be an organ donor and those organs would

1109
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: go to somebody that needed them right away. But you

1110
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: could also donate your body like we were talking to

1111
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: doctor Westcott today about donating your body to the body Farm,

1112
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: which you guys could listen to next episode. It's really awesome.

1113
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: But you there's all different things because there's all different

1114
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: kinds of research being done, and sometimes you could do

1115
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: so you could do it to a living person that

1116
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: needs it, or you could do it for like research stuff.

1117
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: And to me, it personally seems like he did donate

1118
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: it to like an Oregon procurement place that does more

1119
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: research stuff. The bottom line is whatever happened, they were

1120
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: supposed to take his body, take whatever they needed and

1121
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: like give the remains back to the family. And when

1122
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: the family got his body back, which was already cremated.

1123
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: That's fine. Also, they also gave him a bag of

1124
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: his belongings, which is like clothes and things like that,

1125
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: which is also totally normal. But there was a cardboard

1126
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: box with it, and they did they noticed when they

1127
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: picked it up that the box was in the car

1128
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: and it smelled like a strong chemical and it was

1129
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: burning their eyes.

1130
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: So much so that one of the people in the

1131
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: car got a really horrible headache from it.

1132
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they put it in the garage and

1133
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: they still noticed the smell, and then they called the

1134
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: place where they had gotten it because there was a

1135
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: funeral home involved in between this, and just to say like, hey,

1136
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: what's in this box. And it turns out that his

1137
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: brain was in that box informaldehyde, his actual whole brain,

1138
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: not nothing cremated. It was apparently it was taken out

1139
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: and it was supposed to stay with his body, and

1140
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: they just never cremated it at the same time with

1141
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: the rest of his body. And somehow they gave the

1142
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: brain informalde hide to the family.

1143
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like you said at the beginning of this story,

1144
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: was really difficult to understand, especially not knowing the common

1145
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: procedure with being an organ donor. So they're suing everybody involved,

1146
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: saying there's negligence. But it's kind of like everybody's pointing

1147
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: fingers at each other. Nobody knows where it went wrong.

1148
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: Everybody's blaming everybody else. It's kind of really weird.

1149
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: Well, I I think that, yeah, obviously, like somebody didn't

1150
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: follow protocol or anything. And when we so when we

1151
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: take out a brain, I believe a guy in an autopsy,

1152
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: so that's why they took the brain out. When we

1153
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: take out a brain, we put in a more higher

1154
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: concentrated form not formaline, but like a formaldehyde mixture, because

1155
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: if you put a brain in a bucket with just formuline,

1156
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: because there's so much water in formaline, it makes the

1157
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: brain like sync to the bottom, and that could put

1158
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: like impressions on the brain that make it look like

1159
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: it had damage before death, when really it's just kind

1160
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: of a false artifact from sitting at the bottom of

1161
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: a container. So we put a really like strong mixture

1162
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: of straight up formaldehyde in it to make the brain

1163
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: like float in the fluid. And that shit is like

1164
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: it burns your eyeballs out, it is just so strong

1165
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: I mean regular formal and strong, but formaldehyde straight if

1166
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: you really were in a room without ventilation, like it

1167
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: would kill you, it would it. We had a story

1168
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: once of one of our teachers who used to work

1169
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: and he used to get the bodies ready for gross

1170
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: anatomy and he was embombing the body with formaldehyde and

1171
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: one of the bottles like spilled over in the room

1172
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: and it was in one of the old hospital buildings

1173
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: that didn't have any ventilation and he was exposed to

1174
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: those fumes for only a few minutes. And he tells

1175
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: this story that he was there on the weekend embalming

1176
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: a body and he didn't know how to clean it

1177
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: up because it was spilling so crazy. He ran downstairs

1178
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: to security. So just like imagine the guy running downstairs

1179
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: with security at the hospital and he said he was

1180
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: wearing a white T shirt and it was covered with

1181
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: blood because his mucous membranes like in his nose started

1182
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: bleeding from it. That's how bad the fud. So he's

1183
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: like he went down to the security and was like

1184
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: and he had blood over his shirt. But it was

1185
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: like this huge like hazmat situation. Right, So even though

1186
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: the bucket was contained you could still smell it, Like

1187
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: that's how strong this chemical is. So not only were

1188
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: they a potential to get exposed to that, they they

1189
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: kind of were like doing this like Brad Pitt thing

1190
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: like what's in the box. What's in the box, Like

1191
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't see it. It doesn't seem like

1192
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: they had someone else open it, like what's in this box?

1193
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: Because they knew like something was right.

1194
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 2: They pulled them into a room and were like, oh,

1195
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 2: the brain was in them.

1196
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like but like could you imagine even me, Like

1197
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: I've seen a million brains and stuff, but like if

1198
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: that happened with Gabe, I would I'd be so traumatized,

1199
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to see his brain like that,

1200
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So you could understand why

1201
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: they're upset being yeah, chemicals and everything. It's just like,

1202
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: how's this shit happened?

1203
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I can only see how it

1204
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: further pisses you off that nobody's like listen, I am

1205
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: so sorry. We messed up really bad. Like everybody's like, well,

1206
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: they did it well, they did it well, they did it,

1207
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: Like somebody take responsibility because somebody knows where they messed up.

1208
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 1: I would say just based on experience, I would say

1209
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: it had whenever the body was wherever it was, I

1210
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: guess you know what happened. I think I know what happened.

1211
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: When you get when you get an autopsy, usually a

1212
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: look at all the organs, but like sometimes you will

1213
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: save the brain for a couple of weeks because when

1214
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: you know how I was telling you that you should

1215
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: put it in that special mixture, you really need it

1216
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: to the brain. The consistency of the brain is like

1217
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: it's literally like jello when it's fresh. So when you

1218
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: put it in this formaldehyde for like two weeks, it

1219
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: almost like cooks it. It makes it like hard that

1220
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: you could cut it and it's not jiggly, and then

1221
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: you could see the structures better. So sometimes we have

1222
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,959
Speaker 1: to make it fix and that thing for like two weeks.

1223
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: And on top of that, special neuropathologists look at the

1224
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: brain and they have like a lot of brains, so

1225
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: they'll have like brain cutting once a week or once

1226
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: every two weeks, and they don't do it. So what

1227
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: happened was that the brain probably was taken out and

1228
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: the autopsy was done, the body went and got cremated.

1229
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: The brain was looked at in pathology, but it took

1230
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. When the brain finally came back,

1231
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: it was like the body was already cremated and someone

1232
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: just made a bad decision to like keep all that

1233
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: stuff together. But the body was probably already cremated before

1234
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: they even had the brain back. Like this is all

1235
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: just what I'm assuming based on everything, but it's still

1236
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: it still doesn't make it right, Like and and now

1237
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: they're saying they don't want to cremate the brain because

1238
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: all it's gonna do is just completely burn up. It's

1239
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: just like a bunch of soft tissue. They're not gonna have.

1240
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: They're not gonna have any like ashes to give the

1241
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: person to mix back with the other ones.

1242
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: So so so what do they do with it? Then

1243
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: it's just medical waste If they're not going to cremate it,

1244
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 2: Like where does it go?

1245
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean they can, yeah, I mean because medical waste

1246
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: still get incinerated anyway. I mean, they're going to keep

1247
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: that around for a long time until this lawsuit is situated.

1248
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know the families just like the

1249
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: family's just like screwed with that, and that that actually

1250
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: will get into our next case. Because in our next case,

1251
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 1: there was a guy that was how old he was young,

1252
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: forty three or something. He was found dead in prison

1253
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: and they don't know how he died yet, so he's

1254
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: getting an autopsy, but they requested a second autopsy, and

1255
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: then the person doing the second autopsy said, hey, we

1256
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: didn't get his heart back, and that's the title of

1257
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: the article is like, what does it say, like they

1258
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: took his heart or whatever.

1259
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the body was returned to the family without the heart.

1260
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 2: So there's not a lot of information about this case

1261
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: at this time, and he was in prison. He was

1262
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 2: serving ninety nine years for a burglary incident. Did you

1263
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: read that. I feel like that's a really long time

1264
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: for a burglary.

1265
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1266
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, they have lawsuits filed and everything, and they

1267
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: got to figure out what happened because right now this

1268
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 2: guy is missing his heart. They don't know where it is,

1269
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: and that's the condition. The family's saying they got it in.

1270
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: Well, so this is what I wanted to say, because

1271
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: this is getting back to the other case. Like, we

1272
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: we take organs sometimes at autopsy, So let's say a

1273
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: guy like we've had this happen before, that we'll have

1274
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: someone die and we do the autopsy and they have

1275
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: this really crazy pathology in their heart, and we want

1276
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: we keep the heart. We keep it because like we

1277
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: need to look at it, because we can't keep the

1278
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: body forever, so all we could do is keep pieces

1279
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: of the body to keep going back to it if

1280
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: we're not sure. And in some cases you have like

1281
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: even like pediatric cases and stuff. We had a situation

1282
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: where we would do autopsies on like a fetal a

1283
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: fetal autopsy or a baby that died, and the heart

1284
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: is a specific thing that only like specific doctors can

1285
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: dissect and they might not be available today the autopsy.

1286
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: So we'll take the heart and we'll keep it. Send

1287
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: the body back because we're like, go do your funeral

1288
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: thing and whatever. We don't need the body, but we

1289
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: keep the heart, and that that happens. Usually we just

1290
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: keep a jar with like little pieces of everything. So

1291
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: we could give all the organs back, but there's sometimes

1292
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: that you have to keep the whole organ, like I

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Speaker 1: was saying, with the brain. Or let's say somebody had

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Speaker 1: like a crazy lung pathology, we might want to keep

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Speaker 1: the lung. And the reason that we do that is

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Speaker 1: because once we send the body back to the to

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Speaker 1: the funeral home, like forget it, Like we can't ever

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Speaker 1: go back and look. We can't ever because like what

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Speaker 1: if the pieces that we took for under the microscope,

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Speaker 1: like aren't that great and you want to go look

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Speaker 1: again or something like, that's it. You lost your chance.

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Speaker 1: So we keep these things called stock jars for usually

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Speaker 1: for like a couple months after an autopsy. So there

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Speaker 1: might be a reason why they took his heart and

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Speaker 1: kept it aside, but it should be wherever they did

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Speaker 1: the initial autopsy if they didn't keep a stock jar,

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Speaker 1: And there is a possibility that the person doing the

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Speaker 1: autopsy just threw it out in the trash by accident,

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Speaker 1: which is not acceptable in my opinion. But I could

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Speaker 1: see how that could happen because like, while I'm doing

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Speaker 1: the whole time, and I'm like constantly like throwing paper

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Speaker 1: towels and things. And we have a way of accounting

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Speaker 1: for all the organs and make sure, you know, if

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Speaker 1: we dissected, we put it right back in the body

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Speaker 1: and all this stuff. But sometimes, I mean I could

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Speaker 1: see that that would be what happened. But I think

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Speaker 1: that why we have to keep organs sometimes. And she

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Speaker 1: didn't want her son to have an autopsy anyway, the mom,

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Speaker 1: And anytime someone dies in prison, they have to get

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Speaker 1: an autopsy.

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Speaker 2: It's like a protocol.

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Speaker 1: So even if the mom didn't want it, like too bad,

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Speaker 1: we're doing it because you know, now they're saying there's

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Speaker 1: bruises on his neck and he was getting harassed and

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Speaker 1: this and that, and that's obviously why they have to

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Speaker 1: do it to make sure because yeah, because he was

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Speaker 1: just he's young, seemingly very young to just die without

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Speaker 1: a known illness. Yeah, so and my I mean in

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Speaker 1: theory they shouldn't have access to drugs or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, this is why they have to do it,

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Speaker 1: because there's going to be an investigation like that. So

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Speaker 1: I just want to let everybody know that that that

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Speaker 1: that's that's a common thing. And especially if you give

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Speaker 1: permission in a teaching hospital or something, then you say

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Speaker 1: like okay, we could keep it for research. We sometimes

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Speaker 1: we would keep a slice of lung for like if

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Speaker 1: it was something cool that we wanted to show students

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Speaker 1: or whatever like that's just that's just normal protocol.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well we aren't going to do some

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Speaker 1: Have a great holiday, have a great New Year's and yes,

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Speaker 1: and a holiday session. Thank you for listening to Mother

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Speaker 1: nos Death. As a reminder, my training is as a

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Speaker 1: pathologists assistant. I have a master's level education and specialize

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Speaker 1: in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a doctor

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