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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norry

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Speaker 1: with you a special two hours with my colleague George Knapp. George,

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Speaker 1: of course, is a Nevada journalist who has been honored

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Speaker 1: with the highest awards in broadcast journalism. The Peabody Award,

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Speaker 1: Columbia University, the Edward R. Mural Award that is extremely prestigious.

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Speaker 1: He has twenty seven regional Emmy Awards for investigative reporting.

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Speaker 1: Just as a comparison, high have three. He's a longtime

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Speaker 1: chief investigative reporter for KLASTV in Las Vegas, where he

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Speaker 1: previously worked as a news anchor as well. He has

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Speaker 1: co authored the best selling book Hunt for the Skinwalker,

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Speaker 1: and in nineteen eighty nine, his reports about Nevada Area

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Speaker 1: of fifty ones Military base was selected by UPI as

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Speaker 1: the best individual achievement by a reporter. Now since two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six, he's also been our weekend host of

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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM and he's been associated with the

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Speaker 1: program way back to the days of the late Art

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Speaker 1: Bell my pleasure to bring on the show. George nap Hey,

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Speaker 1: good to talk to you again, George, after just seen

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Speaker 1: you a few weeks ago. Yeah, that conversation we had

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Speaker 1: in Laughlin got both of us thinking about this subject.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to cover. Sure is how did you, George,

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Speaker 1: as a investigative reporter, get interested to investigate UFOs where

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Speaker 1: beyond a shadow of a doubt, you're the best reporter

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Speaker 1: out there on this subject. How did this happen? It

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Speaker 1: kind of literally walked in the door, George. Back in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, I was just a regular reporter covering

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Speaker 1: the mob and corruption and crime and all the normal

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Speaker 1: I mean there's no slow news day in this town.

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Speaker 1: As you know, you and Tom know this town really well.

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Speaker 1: In Walks the John lear into the TV station and

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Speaker 1: he had helped our station, our news department, break a

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Speaker 1: big story. We had broken the story about the existence

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Speaker 1: in the Nevada Desert that was invisible to radar, and

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Speaker 1: so he had some credibility with my news manager, a

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Speaker 1: guy named ned Day, and John Walks into the newsroom

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Speaker 1: with a pile of documents, puts them on ned Day's

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Speaker 1: desk and says, Ned, this is your next big story.

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Speaker 1: It's about UFO's biggest cover up in history. It'll make

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Speaker 1: you famous. Ned looks at this material and leaves through

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Speaker 1: a little bit. He says, this can't be true. Take

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Speaker 1: this away. If it were true, I'd already know about it,

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to do this story. I'd been

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Speaker 1: eavesdropping and I said, did John Lear? Hey, let me

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Speaker 1: on the Record. It was one of these local public

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Speaker 1: I put John Lear on this show, and lo and behold,

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Speaker 1: the public responded this torrent of UFO information I had

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Speaker 1: so I started reading about it. The third time Lear

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Speaker 1: that person turned out to be Bob Lazar, whom I

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Speaker 1: the allegations that those are made, and I was kind

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Speaker 1: of on my way. You're much like me, George. When

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Speaker 1: by extraterrestrials. I don't know. I honestly don't. I mean

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Speaker 1: I get that same question everywhere I go George grocery

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Speaker 1: And I say, well, you know, when people ask me that,

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Speaker 1: And Lazar's story, even by today's standards it is thirty

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Speaker 1: We started digging into his background to try to get

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about some incredible things that George

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Speaker 1: Next hour will take your phone calls with him, and folks,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that if we're talking about disclosure

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Speaker 1: you know, the aliens are here. It's true, they've been

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Speaker 1: it's confirmation. It's a really exciting time, maybe the most

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Speaker 1: because the media environment has totally changed. The New York

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Speaker 1: sure is, and we're going to talk a lot more

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Speaker 1: about what you've been doing, George. In this field, we'll

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