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Speaker 1: year of Our Lord, twenty twenty one. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: Have you guys been watching, by the way, the college baseball,

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Speaker 1: going to be like this fall. Insanity, purely wild, renaissance.

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Speaker 1: You're going to talk about all that tonight. So on

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Speaker 1: this show, I'm going to give you some sec West

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Speaker 1: You look back and you say, that's the game that

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Speaker 1: also because of this game. So we're going to discuss that.

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Speaker 1: We've also got a proposal that I think a lot

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Speaker 1: We shall discuss. Speaking of discussing, what if I told

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Speaker 1: And JT. Tuamloau the number one recruit in America. We

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Speaker 1: It matters nationally. This one matters nationally. We got some intel.

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Speaker 1: So let's dive in because we've got a whole lot

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Speaker 1: shame in that. It'd be probably a double digit favorite

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Speaker 1: against US. But if we got off the deck and

431
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Speaker 1: we righted the ship and we beat Maryland. And let's

432
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Speaker 1: say we're eight and one or seven and two. There's

433
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Speaker 1: a lot still on the table for us, and we

434
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Speaker 1: got Michigan reeling and they're coming in here and we

435
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Speaker 1: wipe that game out. Or I would be so on

436
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Speaker 1: board with that, there's pushback. The pushback would have to

437
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Speaker 1: do a tradition. I just I'm all about tradition. You

438
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Speaker 1: guys who watch or listen to this program a lot,

439
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Speaker 1: you know it. I'm the last dude in the world

440
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Speaker 1: just start throwing out all these changes and want to

441
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Speaker 1: overturn twenty percent of the sport every year, except when

442
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Speaker 1: it comes to twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty one in

443
00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,119
Speaker 1: college football is where every one of you who have

444
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Speaker 1: ever sketched out some ideas on a napkin or a

445
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,720
Speaker 1: pizza box, but then you've crossed them out and you said, yeah,

446
00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean we can't actually do that. No, this year,

447
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,679
Speaker 1: you need to erase it, you need to undo it,

448
00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,520
Speaker 1: and you need to take all those ideas and implement them.

449
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,919
Speaker 1: This is the one year to do everything you've always

450
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Speaker 1: wanted to do, but you were just a little bit

451
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,760
Speaker 1: too hessitant to do it called tradition or whatever the

452
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Speaker 1: case may be. Return to tradition in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one should essentially be a twelve week party

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Speaker 1: for college football. Now, it's funny that the last phrase

455
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,959
Speaker 1: there was party for college football anything but has been

456
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Speaker 1: happening on the West Coast this week. Here's a nice

457
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Speaker 1: ndcut for you, Colin. What if I told you a

458
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,760
Speaker 1: Pac twelve coach just totally ripped his conference this week

459
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Speaker 1: and ripped their TV partners and it didn't even make

460
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Speaker 1: so much as a ripple across the college football landscape.

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Speaker 1: I'm not making it up. It actually happened. David Shaw,

462
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Speaker 1: who is the head coach at Stanford, did an interview

463
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Speaker 1: with The Athletic. We're going to show you a quote

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Speaker 1: in just a second from several quotes from this interview,

465
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Speaker 1: but he was very animated. It was very Undavid Shaw like,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's the best way to put it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you picture David Shaw and he's got kind of a

468
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Speaker 1: he's got the opposite of what the kids would call RBF.

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Speaker 1: He's got a resting smile. It's just that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the way David Shaw always looks I don't think he's

471
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Speaker 1: ever yelled in his life. Well he did this week.

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Speaker 1: And so here's the context before we get to the quotes.

473
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Speaker 1: Stanford is opening the season against Kansas State. They are

474
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Speaker 1: going to play the game in Dallas. I'll go down

475
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Speaker 1: the TV rabbit hole in just a second for you.

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Speaker 1: But the context is they got to play that game

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Speaker 1: at noon Eastern. Not a big deal if you live

478
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Speaker 1: in Manassas, Virginia. They don't. They're out in the Bay

479
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Speaker 1: Area in California. And so I had our Stats and

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Speaker 1: Info department run the numbers, and if you subtract three

481
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Speaker 1: hours from noon, you get nine am, Yes, nine am,

482
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Speaker 1: And that's tough to play football game at nine am,

483
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to do it. So with that

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Speaker 1: in mind, let's take a look at what David Shall

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Speaker 1: had to say to The Athletic. Again, I want to

486
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Speaker 1: stress this was not our interview. The Athletic had this

487
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Speaker 1: interview this week, and this is what David Shall had

488
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Speaker 1: to say. So he's talking to I believe it was

489
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Speaker 1: Stuart Mandel, and he says, I'm pissed at Fox for

490
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Speaker 1: our kickoff time against Kansas State, for Stanford in particular,

491
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Speaker 1: and Oregon to be going in a different time zone

492
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Speaker 1: and give us an early kickoff. To me, it's incredibly disrespectful.

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Speaker 1: It shows a lack of understanding of what we have

494
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Speaker 1: to do and the way that different time zones truly

495
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Speaker 1: affect us. It shows a lack of care for our

496
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Speaker 1: student athletes. That to me is something that is egregious.

497
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Speaker 1: Love that word, and I don't care who I piss off,

498
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Speaker 1: but I think they're wrong. And a lot of our

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Speaker 1: people in our conference repset too, He continues. They being Fox,

500
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: they can say whatever they want to. I don't want

501
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: to hear blank about Oh, it's great for ratings. I

502
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: don't care about ratings. This is either complete disregard or

503
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Speaker 1: lack of understanding about how difficult it is to be

504
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Speaker 1: a West Coast team and travel east and get forced

505
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Speaker 1: to play an early kickoff game. So I'll tell you

506
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Speaker 1: I was at the gym just a little while ago,

507
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Speaker 1: and I never fully stopped sweating, So I gotta fan

508
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Speaker 1: myself for a second after that. Have you ever heard

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Speaker 1: David Shaw talk like that? I don't know of anyone

510
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Speaker 1: else ifter i've heard talk like that. I mean, we

511
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Speaker 1: got a lot of pac twelve folks who watch the show,

512
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Speaker 1: I just gotta fan myself. I'm taking aback. I couldn't

513
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Speaker 1: believe I read that. Out of all the coaches out there,

514
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Speaker 1: if you were to take smart money on who was

515
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Speaker 1: going to give that? If Christo Baul was talking like that,

516
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Speaker 1: I could see that man crystaball's a fiery guy. It

517
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Speaker 1: was David Shaw. David Shaw is a guy that you know,

518
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Speaker 1: if I had to go into therapy, I'd want him

519
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Speaker 1: to be sitting right there in the table when I'm

520
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Speaker 1: on the couch, because I think David Shaw had taught

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Speaker 1: me off the ledge. Instead David Shaw's He's the aggressor

522
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden on the West coast. So what

523
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Speaker 1: is this all about. Let's dive into this. Here's the

524
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Speaker 1: PAC twelve coaches get it. PAC twelve coaches aren't idiots.

525
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Speaker 1: Their football product out there as a whole has been

526
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Speaker 1: inferior for a little while. The interest level as a

527
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: result is now and that affects everything across the board. Again,

528
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Speaker 1: they're not stupid. They get what the deal is. They

529
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Speaker 1: want to change it, but they get what the deal is.

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Speaker 1: The recruiting has been affected. You got a lot of

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Speaker 1: kids leaving the West Coast that they think should be

532
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Speaker 1: staying home. There's not a good enough reason to keep

533
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Speaker 1: them home. Better on field results, better football, that's the

534
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Speaker 1: only fix. The thing about a guy like David Shaw

535
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Speaker 1: or Mario Christobaul or Herm Edwards at the like is

536
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Speaker 1: they believe if they could snap their fingers and start

537
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Speaker 1: today on equal footing, they could fix the problem. Their

538
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Speaker 1: biggest fear is their conference has dug such a collective

539
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Speaker 1: hole out there that it's impossible, even at their best,

540
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Speaker 1: to climb out of it. Now, I want you to

541
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Speaker 1: put yourself in that position, and then I want you

542
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Speaker 1: to imagine they say, oh, by the way, start games

543
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Speaker 1: at nine am your time. We talked about this on

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Speaker 1: this show two years ago. At the time, I wasn't

545
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Speaker 1: even at twenty four to seven. We were down in

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Speaker 1: a studio in Columbus, Georgia, and out of all the

547
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Speaker 1: people on planet Earth to be talking about Pack twelve

548
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Speaker 1: football TV deals, seemed the least equipped. But you could

549
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Speaker 1: see this coming two years ago. In twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's when they ate the deal. Fox announced

551
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Speaker 1: what is called what are they call it the Big

552
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Speaker 1: Noon Package. I thought it was a great idea and

553
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: a terrible idea. I knew it was going to be

554
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Speaker 1: a winner for television purposes because I thought the noon

555
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,239
Speaker 1: window had started to be underutilized, and it had been

556
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Speaker 1: that way for several years. It used to be all

557
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: the big games were at noon in three thirty. You

558
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Speaker 1: guys know this if you watched the sport for any

559
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Speaker 1: length of time. But then college football started shifting it's

560
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Speaker 1: prime games to prime time, and so then it became

561
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Speaker 1: very enviable to be playing games in prime time. Well,

562
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Speaker 1: nowadays a bulk of the games are played in prime time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Mississippi State in Arc it's all played in

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Speaker 1: prime time. That never would have been at seven o'clock

565
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Speaker 1: or seven thirty kickoff this time, you know, two decades ago,

566
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Speaker 1: but it is now. Well Fox looked at it and said,

567
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Speaker 1: how do we distinguish ourselves. Well, what we're going to

568
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Speaker 1: do is we're going to take our a game and

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Speaker 1: we're going to put it at noon Eastern. Now, if

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Speaker 1: you're a Wisconsin football fan, you don't love playing at

571
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Speaker 1: eleven am, but you kind of get it. Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma,

572
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Speaker 1: if those games have been at eleven am local time

573
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Speaker 1: for them. It's new and eastern. We all work off

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Speaker 1: the Eastern time zone for TV purposes. As evil as

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Speaker 1: you think that ideology may be. Well, if you're on

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Speaker 1: the West coast, this doesn't fly for you, doesn't fly

577
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Speaker 1: at all. So it was going to be great for TV,

578
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Speaker 1: we called it, and it was going to be terrible

579
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Speaker 1: for teams. We called that. Five out of the top

580
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Speaker 1: ten games ratings wise in twenty nineteen were those noon games.

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Speaker 1: No one's looking to change this formula. For everyone who

582
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Speaker 1: tells you ratings are falling off a cliff and they

583
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Speaker 1: use twenty twenty as their convenience, straw Man tell them

584
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Speaker 1: to hit the rewine what one more year and go

585
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Speaker 1: back and look at twenty nineteen when numbers were up

586
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Speaker 1: across the board, literally across the board. So yeah, sports

587
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Speaker 1: dying listen to it, just gasping over here. Why is

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Speaker 1: David Shaw the angriest guy in the room. That's really

589
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Speaker 1: what he wants to know. I guarantee you David Shaw

590
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Speaker 1: spoke his mind, and he's established enough where he felt

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Speaker 1: comfortable enough doing it. But David Shaw probably spoke his

592
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Speaker 1: mind and in the back of his mind thought, why

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Speaker 1: am I the one doing this, like all the folks

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Speaker 1: who are going to just yell out here like an

595
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Speaker 1: angry old man. Why am I the one doing it?

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Speaker 1: Why is everyone not in unison about this? Because I

597
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 1: guarantee you David Shaw's not lying to you when he

598
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Speaker 1: says there are a lot of people out here aggravated

599
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Speaker 1: about it. Of course there are, of course there are.

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Speaker 1: The problem is and this is where it gets into

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Speaker 1: the weeds for TV, and this is where you can't

602
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Speaker 1: really do anything about it if you're David Shaw. And

603
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Speaker 1: that's what has you upset. The problem is this whole

604
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Speaker 1: West Coast team's having to play nine am local time kickoffs.

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00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: It's college football's version of the NFL's Thursday Night football.

606
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Speaker 1: You know, like football teams to you and I are

607
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: just that they are football teams, full of players and

608
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Speaker 1: support staff and strength and conditioning, nutrition, head coach coordinators, etc.

609
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what college football is to us. To

610
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Speaker 1: a TV executive, college football is just inventory your quarterback

611
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Speaker 1: and your wide receiver. They might as well be actors

612
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Speaker 1: and actresses for all those folks here. A TV executive

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Speaker 1: who would probably dislocate his jaw trying to buckle a

614
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Speaker 1: chin Strap looks at the Stanford Cardinal and says, you're

615
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Speaker 1: a TV product. We got shelves over here, and you

616
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: are part of the inventory we're putting on those shelves.

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Speaker 1: And when you play Kansas State, I couldn't care less

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Speaker 1: if you play in the parking lot at nine PM

619
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Speaker 1: or in Dallas, Texas at noon Eastern time. I just

620
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: need you on the field because that's how we make money.

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Speaker 1: Does that make you feel like you need to take

622
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: a shower after you hear it? Yeah, me too. But

623
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Speaker 1: that's the way it is. I don't care about your travel.

624
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't care about your hydration and your body clock,

625
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: your your sleep patterns. None of that really matters. And

626
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: so you could be one of two ways here. You

627
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: could either look at it and say, well, they signed

628
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty million dollars collective deal a

629
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Speaker 1: few years ago, and therefore that gives these TV networks

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Speaker 1: every contractual right to do this, and the two hundred

631
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Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars that's very healthy for the conference overall,

632
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: and on the surface, I can't argue with that. But again,

633
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: will would we collectively say PAC twelve football has gotten

634
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: better or worse over the last few years. I don't

635
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: think that there is the biggest PAC twelve homer on

636
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: the face of the planet that would argue better and

637
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: so long term, what's best for the health of the conference.

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00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: Here's the unfortunate part, the part of the country in

639
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: terms of college football that's struggling the most, therefore featuring

640
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: the least leverage when they enter these TV negotiations, is

641
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Speaker 1: also the conference in the purse of the country that

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00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: is the world first positioned from a TV standpoint. It's

643
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: always been this way. I used to I grew up

644
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: in Atlanta Braves fan, and I remember when we would

645
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: go play La or San Diego or San Francisco. I

646
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: thought to myself, it's insane that they make us stay

647
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: up to ten o'clock. It's past my bedtime. I didn't

648
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: even get to watch Braves games on the West Coast

649
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: when I was a kid because they didn't First pitch

650
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: wasn't until ten ten in the TBS days or ten

651
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: forty and so I remember thinking, I feel like a victim.

652
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: There's no way I should have to deal with this.

653
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: Then someone explained to me one day, yeah, well here's

654
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: the thing. You know, when LA's in town and they

655
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: play a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and the Friday games at

656
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: seven o'clock. That's a four o'clock first pitch for them.

657
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: On Friday, no one's even off work yet. And on Saturday,

658
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: when you got the one ten game on Fox, guess

659
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: what they're eating bacon and eggs out there and watching it,

660
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: cause it's like ten o'clock in the morning. And then

661
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: when you got the Sunday getaway there it's twelve o'clock

662
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: first pitch or whatever the case may be. They're playing

663
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: that thing at nine o'clock in the morning on the

664
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: West Coast. And then I didn't feel like such a

665
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: victim anymore. So the West Coast sports fans at least

666
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: have always dealt with this. I know that there is

667
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: another train of thought here of you may have listened

668
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: to David Shaw whine and complain, and that's exactly what

669
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: you think is whining and complaining. You may tell them

670
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: just deal with it. You know, you're not a volunteer.

671
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: You are getting paid millions of dollars. Guys are getting

672
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: free education. Blah blah blah. It's a first world problem.

673
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: All that's true. Yes, it's true. But you know, when

674
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: we calibrate for the fact that you know, we all

675
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: understand we're playing college football here, it is a tough

676
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: situation for Pac twelve teams to be in. And again,

677
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: this would be a tough situation if you were the

678
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: best college football conference in America. They're dragging behind significantly.

679
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: So not only are they being asked to compete, they're

680
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: asking to make up ground and they're being put behind

681
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: the eight ball in a lot of ways trying to

682
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: do it. All Right, let's wrap the show up with this. JT.

683
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: Toumloou the very latest on this recruitment. It's a big deal.

684
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: First off, you know it's a big deal because we

685
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: don't talk a lot of individual recruitments on Late Kick,

686
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: But JT. Toumloau is the exception to the rules and

687
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: number one player overall in this last recruiting class. So

688
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: it's imperative that I stress if you're a casual college

689
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: football fan, what's happening here. This is not a twenty

690
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: twenty two kid. JTT will be playing on a campus

691
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: somewhere this far. He's still in high school right now,

692
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm about to graduate. But he is the only unsigned

693
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: prospect from the twenty twenty one recruiting cycle. Now I

694
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: know what the perception versus reality is here. Anytime a

695
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: kid goes well past signing day, there's a stigma that's

696
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: attached to them automatically. It's there about the drama, spectacle,

697
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: all about me, selfish attention, you know what. This is

698
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: none of those. So I want to just let you

699
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: know what's happening. This has not been a drama filled

700
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: recruitment at all. This has not been a recruitment built

701
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: on spectacle at all. This is not attention seeking whatsoever.

702
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: Tuam Maloa playss college well, he plays high school football

703
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: in Washington. He lives in Washington. Things have been shut

704
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: down there. He couldn't get out to take official visits,

705
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: and he was steadfast the entire time. I have options,

706
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to be a guy who just

707
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: takes zoom visits and goes to Columbus, Ohio or Tuscaloos, Alabama,

708
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, two or three thousand miles away from home,

709
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: having never been there before. So you know, in some

710
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: ways it is fortunate that he is so highly rated

711
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: that schools willing to save a spotform. But because he

712
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: is that and that's the reality of the situation. He

713
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: has said the whole time, I'm gonna take my visits,

714
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: and so now it's visit time, and this particular weekend

715
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: as we speak right now here on Sunday, he's at Washington,

716
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: So that's obviously the closest to home now that it

717
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: was Friday, and that last through Sunday, and so then

718
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna take a time out. And this next weekend,

719
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: this upcoming weekend, that's his high school graduation. Then it

720
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: gets really crazy. Okay, So if you're watching on YouTube,

721
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: Jesse is showing you when the official visits are happening,

722
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: and I want you to check this out. This is

723
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: like watching the Eagles Tour Circle nineteen seventy six. So

724
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: he'll be in Los Angeles the fourteenth through the sixteenth,

725
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: Then he'll be in Columbus, Ohio the eighteenth through the twentieth.

726
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna shoot it from Columbus, Ohio all the

727
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: way to the west coast. Will be in Eugene, Oregon

728
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: same day. You're gonna go straight from Ohio state to

729
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 1: Oregon the twentieth through the twenty second, and then Bama

730
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: gets the hammer. They get the last visit the twenty

731
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: fifth through the twenty seventh, and then we get we

732
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: would assume un announcement shortly thereafter. Now, what we have

733
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: talked about with this recruitment, and many were fruitments in

734
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: the past, is there's not a lot of information. I'm

735
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: telling you guys, if you're just a casual viewer of this,

736
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: this is not some kid who's running around to every

737
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: live microphone doing an interview. It's not a guy who's,

738
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, very dramatic on all his social media channels,

739
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: very reserved, very quiet, hellacious player. Now there's a reason

740
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: he's a number one overall rated player in the country.

741
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: And even though he's not an early en roll league,

742
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: he's so good he could still play for a team

743
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: like Ohio State or Alabama or Oregon this fall. He's

744
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: that good. Now, we wouldn't be talking about him if

745
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't. But when I started that point about thirty

746
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: seconds ago, and as it got sidetracked, what I was going

747
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: to say was, in these recruitments where it's high profile,

748
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: but there's not a ton of new information leaking, it's

749
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: a perfect storm for misinformation because the thirst for new

750
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: information out there doesn't go away it's just that there

751
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: isn't a whole lot. Instead of a steady flow out

752
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: of the host pipe, maybe there's like one drip from

753
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: the faucet, you know, every couple of minutes, and that's

754
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: not enough to quench thirst. So what happens is one

755
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: person says one thing that's kind of informed, and because

756
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: there's a lack of other information to be had else where,

757
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: everyone runs with that one thing. So I'm going to

758
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: use an example here. This is not the way it

759
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: actually happens, but let's just say, for example, Steve what Fong,

760
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: Brandon Huffman, those two guys are you know, really locked

761
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: in on this recruitment. Let's say that they came out

762
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: and they said, I think Ohio State leads here. And

763
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: let's say in reality, their information was a family member

764
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: gave them that information but said that's what we think,

765
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: and you know, that was a couple of months ago.

766
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: But there's since there's no new information, they say that, okay,

767
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 1: since there's no new information, everyone else runs with that,

768
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, if you're just a casual observer,

769
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: you're hearing from fifty two different places Ohio State leads

770
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: for JT Team so you assume it's a foregone conclusion

771
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: he's going to Ohio State. Will you see quickly how

772
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: that snowball of not misinformation, but you know, sort of

773
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: a false pretense can grow. This happens in recruiting sometimes.

774
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: The reason I'm saying all that, and let me stress again,

775
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 1: that was a hypothetical. The reason I'm stressing all that

776
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: is because it has been perception for a little while

777
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: that Ohio State was the leader here. I thought it

778
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: only because I hadn't tried to really dig deep on him.

779
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: And I'm not telling you they're not the leader. What

780
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm telling you is, if you find anyone out there

781
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: that's talking about this recruitment and they use the words

782
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: done deal, you need to take those people and you

783
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: need to jettison them from your life, at least when

784
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: it comes to college football talk, because they don't know

785
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. This is the classic lottery ticket situation.

786
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Someone out there is going to guess the right lottery

787
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: numbers tonight and then they're going to tell all their buddies.

788
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: I knew it. I just had a feeling. I knew it. No,

789
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: you didn't. You just guessed right. And the law of

790
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: mathematics happened to work in your favor this one time,

791
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: someone out there is going to claim they know where

792
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: this kid's going, and he's going to end up going there,

793
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: having made the decision the night before he announces it.

794
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: And that person, having made the statement two months ago,

795
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: is going to say called it, knew it, told you

796
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: this has been done for months. Let me, in as

797
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: certain terms as I can tell you, inform you this

798
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: is not done. There's a reason the visits are happening.

799
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: This is not done. However, I do want to address

800
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: this because I've heard it from a couple of places,

801
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: and these places are the mouths of people I trust.

802
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: The perception has been this is Ohio state, and if

803
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: it's not Ohio State, it's probably Alabama. Think those two

804
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: programs are in it. I think the Oregon Ducks are

805
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: way more of a player for JTT than probably nationally

806
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: people think. I know Orgon's been in it the whole time,

807
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: and geographically they're closed. But I get a feeling that

808
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: Oregon has been paid just passing mind by the general public.

809
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: Organ's way in this thing. And I'll tell you, I'll

810
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: go out on a little limb here if I were

811
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: to handicap this thing, I'd put Bama as the favorite

812
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: to land him. I'd put Oregon behind Bama. I put

813
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: Ohio State third. So, for what it's worth, having not

814
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: claimed intimate insider knowledge, but just maybe picking up whispers

815
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 1: here and there, let me put it that way, because

816
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked at all if he went to Alabama.

817
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be shocked if you went to Oregon. I think

818
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: those two programs are in a really good position here Buck,

819
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: I still get him on campus. They could turn this thing.

820
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: So who in the world knows. But that's the latest

821
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: on JTT. This is a very important recruitment to follow.

822
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning in tonight. It's been

823
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: a really good show. As I said, I'm going to

824
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: head off to Oklahoma City for a couple of days,

825
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: looking forward to the Women's College World Series out there.

826
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: I was telling Colin before the show, if you guys

827
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: haven't been watching softball, you need to be watching it.

828
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: That is my second favorite college sport, behind college football,

829
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: which surprises people every time I say there's no wasted

830
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: motion in softball. I love it even more than baseball.

831
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: There's no wasted motion none whatsoever. It's just such a

832
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: quick game until you get Raine lays out in Oklahoma.

833
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: So let's hope we don't have those this week. But

834
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: at Late Kick Josh Instagram, Twitter, make sure you're following there.

835
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: We're trying to grow those channels as quickly as possible

836
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: for director Emeritus Collins, Jesse and Company in Connecticut. I'm

837
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: Josh Baden. I have a great start with your week.

838
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. Hey, God bless