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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody. Kurt Schlichter back in the mix.

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Speaker 3: Author, columnists, thinker, conservative commentator, veteran lawyer. He's got a

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Speaker 3: lot of titles, including the title of his new book,

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Speaker 3: American Apocalypse, which is available for pre order right now,

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Speaker 3: So get those pre orders going. Is a fiction book.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about the book in a second. Let's first

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Speaker 3: talk about this, mister Kurk.

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Speaker 2: So we got people.

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Speaker 3: You're a lawyer, so that comes in handy here. People

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Speaker 3: are pleading the Fifth when asked about Biden's mental state

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Speaker 3: and the possibility of conspiracy to keep that from the

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Speaker 3: American people. What do you make of it?

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Speaker 1: Well, I know why they're doing it, and they may

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Speaker 1: be allowed to do it if there's a crime involved,

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Speaker 1: and there may be a crime. You know, the Fifth

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Speaker 1: Amendment applies to it when when we use it, it's

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Speaker 1: often to avoid being railroaded. When they use it, it's

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Speaker 1: often to avoid accountability, which which it does. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this doctor also invented a physician patient privilege that doesn't

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Speaker 1: exist under federal law. So that's out. But there's an

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Speaker 1: easy way to get the doctor's testimony, which is to

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Speaker 1: pardon the doctor for any alleged crimes that might be

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Speaker 1: associated with his treatment or care of Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: What do you think the crimes? Do you have any

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Speaker 3: sense of what the crime could be?

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Speaker 1: I don't. One of the problems which the left has

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Speaker 1: created is creative use of statutes to turn things that

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Speaker 1: normal people wouldn't see as crimes into crimes, which makes

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Speaker 1: which gives people a lot of leeway when they're asserting

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Speaker 1: potential self incrimination. So you know, he's like, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: not exactly sure what they charged me for because it

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Speaker 1: would all be nonsense, but they might charge me. So

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Speaker 1: anything I say could incriminate tend to incriminate me. Uh

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to say anything. And and and

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Speaker 1: I I think he has a good chance of getting

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, if you were if you were

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Speaker 3: his attorney, So if you were the console.

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Speaker 4: He'd be doing, That's that's what he'd be doing.

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Speaker 2: He'd be taking totally right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is absolutely Yeah, there's no upside, especially

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Speaker 3: if it's this attorney. Yeah, yeah, of course, because because

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Speaker 3: there's no upside in talking about any of this, and

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Speaker 3: people say, oh, what about the reputational damage? We all

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Speaker 3: know they knew Biden had to mensied Like there's nothing,

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Speaker 3: there's there's not going to be some Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: you mean you guys were dishonest about the Biden dementia

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Speaker 3: situation in the White House, Like, no, we know, we

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Speaker 3: already know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the SS reputation has pulled out a port and

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Speaker 1: set sale. Let's put it that way. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: all know what this guy did. We all knew I

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Speaker 1: was covering up. Uh, they'd like to get him on

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Speaker 1: the record about it, and if they want to be sneaky,

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Speaker 1: they can, you know, get Trump to issue a pardon

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Speaker 1: for anything he did involving the Joe Biden's care treatment

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Speaker 1: or administration. And then you've got a incriminate then you

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Speaker 1: have a Fifth Amendment problem.

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Speaker 4: So we'll, uh, well we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 3: M That's something else I'll ask you about. I'm seeing,

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Speaker 3: Uh what I what I don't want to do is

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Speaker 3: get into a a twenty twenty years of Epstein conspiracy

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Speaker 3: conversation like this is this is everywhere now I know,

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Speaker 3: I know, so we're gonna skip past the all the

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Speaker 3: there's all the stuff, and there's all the theories, and

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Speaker 3: in my mind. They're just like, he's paid off, He's

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Speaker 3: I've talked about this all I've been talking about this

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Speaker 3: much longer than a lot of other people. I was

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Speaker 3: about the twenty nineteen raid. The FBI is like, oh,

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Speaker 3: we have the tapes. We're gonna leave the tapes, and

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Speaker 2: This and I go, that's it. That's it. Even that's

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Speaker 4: It's an awful idea.

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Speaker 1: Let's let this thing die out. Look here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: We're all like, well, we want the truth about Epstein. Okay,

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Speaker 1: how would you get that? Well, I would send people

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Speaker 1: come out because innocent people might be involved. They're innocent victims.

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Speaker 1: You you can't, you know, display child gross tapes. Yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course that's what we send people who are absolutely

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Speaker 1: you know, Dan b Geno at All comes out and says, okay,

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Speaker 4: And people are like.

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Speaker 1: Well they've turned Dan Bongino. Okay, you're not going to

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Speaker 1: turn Dan Bongino. You know, sometimes you've got to take

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Speaker 1: yes for an answer. Is there is there more there?

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Speaker 1: I've looked for it, I can't find it. Maybe it

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Speaker 3: Is my thing about about the the JFK files, which

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Speaker 3: I know it's different, but it's also gotten, which is

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Speaker 3: there's nothing you can release from the JFK files that

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Speaker 1: And again I'm not criticizing people who are suspicious or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people have been lied to. This whole thing's been

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Speaker 3: handled horribly. There there were clearly at some level. You're like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So if the DOJ wasn't being pushed by like the

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Speaker 3: cabal or some foreign intelligence service or whatever, it's really

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's horrifying on horrifying in a whole different way, right, horrifying.

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Speaker 1: I just asked myself, do you think Dan Bongino is

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Speaker 1: to protect Epstein? I think that is less likely, more

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Speaker 1: their various perversions. I think they probably hasn't. Do you

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Speaker 1: the evidence of it. I'm not against seeing the evidence.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that I brought up, see where I

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Speaker 3: But here we are talking about the you know, we're

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Speaker 3: going down the Epstein rabbit hole, but a hole that

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Speaker 3: very very clear evidence. But the thing about this as

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Speaker 3: that this was somehow, you know, a deep state cabal,

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Speaker 3: They would know where it is and they would have

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Speaker 3: that that's a fair point to make in all this

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Speaker 2: The totality of what existed.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, but see, we're getting a special counsel that

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Speaker 3: I just put this out to you as I also

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Speaker 3: and say, guys, special counsel, horrible idea.

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Speaker 4: It's it's a terrible idea.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I think this is a combination of disappointment,

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Speaker 4: The norms, the guidelines, they're all gone, and.

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Speaker 1: They you know, we're to the point where we can't

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Speaker 4: That's not happening.

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Speaker 1: And when you have a society that isn't run by

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Speaker 1: run it force? And we are seeing force used by them,

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Speaker 1: force against ICE agents. We're seeing Palacimpians murder people. They

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Speaker 1: and you had to take care of Unfortunately the FBI didn't.

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Speaker 1: Bill Airs is still a prominent member of academia instead

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Speaker 1: of rotting in Florence Colorado's Supermax. But you know, could

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Speaker 1: it be worse? And this book is the worst case scenario.

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Speaker 1: This shows how a combination of arrogance, corruption, stupidity, and

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Speaker 3: Go get your copy, or get your at least your

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Speaker 3: pre order in for your copy at Amazon and wherever

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Speaker 1: Well, Amazon is where you go to get it. And

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you and again it's it's not a

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Speaker 1: complete death march. There are some trademark schlicker amusing moments.

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Speaker 1: I think there may be a Buck Sex There may

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Speaker 2: Fantastic.

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Speaker 3: I mean you need you need a former CIA analyst

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Speaker 1: Be, who also has the greatest porno name I've ever heard.

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Speaker 1: But it's a burden you live with. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't write this to be miserable, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: it would be horrifying. And there's a lot of It's

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Speaker 1: a tough book, like The Attack was a tough book.

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Speaker 3: No, no, all righty, go get your copy on Amazon.

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Speaker 2: Gert Schlickter, thank you so much.

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