1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: When I wrote, y'all all across the USC conton Watts 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Bank to l A, come on the California the Valley. 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: We represent that kind of county. So if you're keeping 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: it Reil on your side of your town, you tune 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: into Gangster Chronicles Gangster Chronic Goals. He gonna tell you 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: how we go. If I lie, my nose will girl 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: like Pinocchio. We're gonna tell you the truth and nothing 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: but the truth. Gangster Chronicals. This is not your average show. 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: You're now tuned into the Reil m c A. Bick, 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: James and Bi Staires from the streets. Hello, Welcome to 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: the Gangster Chronicles podcast, the production of My Heart Radio 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: and Black Effect Podcast Network. Make sure you download the 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: I Heart Apple and subscribe to the Gangster Chronicles. For 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: my Apple users, hit the purple mica on your front screen. 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: Subscribe to the Chronicles to leave a five star rate 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: in the comment. We like to welcome everyone to another 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: episode of the Gangster Chronicles podcast. Nombout my parties, Jack, 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: Jill and you know America for the long the longest 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: time has been in factuated with gangsterism, whether from crips 20 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: blood to the Italian mafia, and today we have one. 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: You can almost say the face of the mafia, right 22 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: he say the bull. That's the pleasure, is all Lars. 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start off the top and just get it 24 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: out the way. We want to say the epitome of gangster. Yeah, definitely, League, 25 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: and I have you and James in the same room, 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: as you know, I think you guys that I don't 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: listen comparison. No, Kobe and Jordan here, don't compare us that. No, 28 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: listen what I'm saying, bro, Your first melodies are a 29 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: lot of like you know from you know me looking 30 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: at him, you know some of the way you were 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: raised and came up, some of the principles you had. 32 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: You gotta see a lot of the same ideology. So 33 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: we had a little better looking than him. But you know, 34 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: I want to get this question off the way because 35 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: I filter your pain when you heard the taps from Giancatti. 36 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: What was going through your mind when you heard him 37 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: on the wire taps? Well, first of all, anybody could 38 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: get caught on the white attack, so it didn't bother 39 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: me too much. It was stupid. He talked about things 40 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: we did years ago. When you get away with the crime. 41 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: You don't go bulliting about years later. And but he 42 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: did and he got caught. That didn't bother me too much. 43 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: There was a lot of lines on those tapes, and 44 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: that bothered me a little bit. I didn't understand why 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: there was a lot of complaining about me. But towards 46 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: the end, what he did is he met with the lawyers. 47 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: The tapes were so bad. All the lawyers, the biggest 48 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: lawyers in New York said, you can't beat this case. 49 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: The tapes of plan his day. You're dead. Look to 50 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: take a play, look to do something. So he devised 51 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: an idea of what to do, is that he was 52 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: going to use the tapes control the lawyers to tell 53 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: the jury is you could hear the tapes. John got 54 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: his complaining against about this animal. It's him killing everybody 55 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: taking over doing this. John is complaining about him, hoping 56 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: that the jury would convict me and set him free. 57 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: So when this idea came up being him that I 58 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: was in prison whatever already eleven months waiting for trial, 59 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: I said, John, is that what you really want to do. 60 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: The cops, the ages, they're our enemy, but they're doing 61 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: their job. They gotta put the bad guys away were 62 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: the bad guys. That's their job. Me and you were 63 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: tight with their brothers, were friends. You're backing them up 64 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: to me. That's a rap move. So I told him, 65 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: you really want to do that? And he told me, 66 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: saying me, you gotta take the weight. It falls like that. 67 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: It looks like that. I'm the boss, and the boss 68 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: is gotta be free. You're sure you wanted others? Yeah, 69 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: and I got in touch with the government. I flipped 70 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: that flip side and went my own way. Basically, that's 71 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: what happened. I've been arrested all my life, murders, double murders, 72 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: somebody committed, somebody didn't commit, never flipped, and they always 73 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: asked me that I hated that, but that I was 74 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: so close. It was like my brother, my closest person 75 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: to me, just threw me to the dogs. I wouldn't 76 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: let it happen. So when when he tried to pretty 77 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: much force you to get you to take the whole 78 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: rap and he get away with it, so that made 79 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: you feel like I'm nothing but a pond. Now you're 80 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: using me. So that makes you feel like, Okay, what 81 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: if I flipped the strip and say, funk that I 82 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,559 Speaker 1: ain't taking a rap for that, great great point, great point, 83 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: because I'm not on the tapes talking. He's on the 84 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: taps talking. So if you want me to flip the script, 85 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: I would say that easily. Brother, you're on the fucking tape, 86 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: your care talking. You want me to take the fucking weight. 87 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: You should be telling me, Sammy, you're not even on 88 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: these tapes. You could beat this fucking case. Bill gets 89 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: a separation, separate trials. If you can beat the case, 90 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: it ain't on them fucking taps talking about it. I am, 91 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: so you should take the way. If it was me, 92 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: I would take the weight. I'm on the tape, I'm 93 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: doing the talking. I'm the one that created this indictment. 94 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut you loose. You loose if you can. 95 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: It's like they're the enemy, not us. Whoever wins wins 96 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: amongst us. We gotta fight for each other. But I 97 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: can cut you loose. After the case, I cut you loose, 98 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: not that I'm gonna may help. The government can pick 99 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: you so I could get out. I think that self 100 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: explains everything. And then some people say it's full of ship. 101 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: But there's so many documents, so many people who flipped 102 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: after this and it's it's documented. It's history now, it's 103 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: documented history. So you know that's the thing where John Gotti. 104 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: Now do I hate him? People saying there's that new thing? 105 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: If he was out and now everybody to kill I 106 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: should have made the fucking app But I don't hate him. 107 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: We will attach that the hip. I feel sorry how 108 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: he died like a door him prisoner. We played chess. 109 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: He was playing checkers and I played chess. I checked 110 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: me in. He made the wrong fucking moves. I was 111 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: never pieced all my life. My raptur is as long 112 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: as anybody's. And they always asked me, Sammy, will you 113 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: get no time? And even he was in, I cooperated. 114 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: I been for the last year's ten different cases. I've 115 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: been a witness for the defense against the government to 116 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: get people out. What guy cooperates him does that too. 117 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: They got to hate me for that. So when I 118 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: got in trouble in Arizona with an ecstacy case taking 119 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: over Arizona Ecstasy, they smash me. I lent them money 120 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 1: to buy exstacy and I got the twenty fucking years. 121 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: It was payback for the government. We got him and 122 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: I got slammed. Even in that case, they asked me 123 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: to text like it's her. The paper said absolutely not. 124 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to use the language I didn't use. 125 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: But I had said, no, Gus, the chronicles use it, 126 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: you can use it. That's what the people love, right. 127 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: So that's the way it is. That's what happened with 128 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: John Gotti. Stuff like that. So we aren't supposed to 129 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: have no heavy ship. But no, go ahead, bro, but 130 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: I know normally gonna ask me no bad questions because 131 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: he goes I got a gun on little thing. He 132 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: already told me, told them when they pulled it. I 133 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: pulled in the parking lot, I said, now let's send 134 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: me run. Before I started my daughter, he was this 135 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: big guy. And then when I sit him talking to you, 136 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not gonna meet my gun. Yeah, but 137 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: you know the thing is with saying me like he 138 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: was just saying that, Um, you guys are so much 139 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: identical from the up bringing standpoint, and you know, something's 140 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: real interest. And I was having this thought the other night. 141 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: I said, you know, a few twists in your youth, 142 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: you may have turned off to be one of the 143 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: biggest Fortune five hundred leaders in this country. You know 144 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: what I mean, who would say that she wouldn't have 145 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: been the next you know Bill Gates or you know, 146 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: big captain of industry or whatever. And you grew up 147 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: in Vincent Hurst, Brooklyn, right bank. How was your youth 148 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: coming up? Well, what really started to be off that 149 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: wrong path is I'm just section So I have a 150 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: back then when I was a kid, and to a 151 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: lot of years ago, they didn't even know what that was. 152 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: They just showed you a fucking stupid that's it. And 153 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: then who wished any timeline? So I'm growing up. The 154 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: most I got was an eighth grade education and I 155 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: was not quit school. They threw me up. They made 156 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: my parents come in. If you don't sign him out, 157 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 1: he's gonna you know, it's bullshit jail for youth. So 158 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: that started me off. I was in a gang and 159 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: the a's in the ice Brooklyn. It was swamped with 160 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,119 Speaker 1: mafia dudes and they were my idol looking up at them. 161 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: They were the man um and I grew that way. 162 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: When I was nineteen, I got drafted into the military 163 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: during the Vietnam War. I was trained to kill. I 164 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: never went to Vietnam. Um, you needed a certain amount 165 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: of time. When my name came up, only had eight 166 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: months left. They said no, you have to have a year, 167 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: and I never went. I came out. I hooked up 168 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: with a gang right away. I was on the ramps. 169 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: Life life, gangy life was a bunch of stupid kids. Stealing, 170 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: caused stilling. There's still in that fights all kinds of ship. 171 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't that vicious of a game. We four it 172 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: would kick ass. We didn't kill nobody, but we didn't 173 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: shoot people. But it was as tough as it could be. 174 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: So I got out of the on me at twenty 175 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: one years old, and I was back in the game 176 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: at twenty three years old. You couldn't do nothing in 177 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: my neighborhood if you weren't connected, Three or four or 178 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,599 Speaker 1: five guys would come to your row. You opening that 179 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: club fucking like at the piece, so you couldn't below. 180 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: So at twenty three years old, I hooked up with 181 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: the Combo family as an associate. I liked the guy 182 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: showed his spireau tough guy X fighter, and I liked 183 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: what he said. I'm never gonna write to you. I've 184 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: never been a backstad. Whatever I answer you to do, 185 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: I've already done, and I'll do it with you. So 186 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: it wasn't somebody given owners. It was music for my 187 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: fucking ears. Even to belong to a family. Music to 188 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: my ears. I had a good mother, father, legitimate people. 189 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm far from stupid. When I was in the in 190 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: the mafia, it's common knowledge. I owned six construction companies. 191 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: I mean I had the power of the mafia. I 192 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: used the unions. I did all kinds of things black. 193 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: I just asked me about our relationship with black people. 194 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: In the movies, they portray it one way. The reality 195 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: is me and the people around me, and the people 196 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: I knew were like this. They dealt numbers on a 197 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: small land. We doubt numbers and the bigger and we 198 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: were the bank. So when they went to you know, 199 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: get rid of the too much work on too much 200 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: money on the number, they would give it to Ower Banking. 201 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: There was dropping beld with blacks. We did everything with 202 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: that not a fact. I'm gonna give you a quick 203 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: story title my captain and I wasn't made yet. I'm 204 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: still just a tough kid. With the game being no family, 205 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: I would switched from the Columbus to the game. You know, 206 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: he said, there's a smooth little church on the block 207 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: where the black people go. Yeah. Yeah, the kids are 208 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: breaking balls over that. Go over to read these kids 209 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: the riot act them all. They're good people. And I 210 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: went down. I told to the kids. The reverend or 211 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: a priest whatever he was, gets in touch with me, Sammy, thanks, 212 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I heard what you're dad, this 213 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: and that the other thing. And he invited me to 214 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: go to church. I never waited to about charge, but 215 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: he was a nice guy. I said, let me go. 216 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: I willed. I went there that day. They had, you know, 217 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: a mask's like everybody else. And it was cool. And 218 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: I left and I was shaking his hand goodbye, and 219 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: he says, if you like to make a donation, we 220 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: got a football team. They're all black. Back then it 221 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: was separated. If you like to make a donation. I 222 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: had just previously made a score. I had a park 223 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: for momy. I said, yea, I'll make a donation. I said, 224 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: what are you gonna buy with it? He says, football. Yeah, 225 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: they don't have outfits. They don't have this, they don't 226 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: have that. How much does it cost for the whole 227 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: thing to buy all of them uniforms? And stuff agetting 228 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: the number. It wasn't la much. It was a number, 229 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: but dock then it wasn't a big number. What it 230 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: would mean now? I gave it to and uh. Title 231 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: taught me the difference in caring about people and what 232 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: they're like and what they do. It must have been 233 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: a week after that. I'm on the corner with my friends. 234 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: A car pulls up. Four or five six big black 235 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: guys got out. Hey, Samy, we got let it. I 236 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: don't know what the funk that was. It came over 237 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: and this guy says, you took care of our uniforms. 238 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: Chopolin told me, I mean, don't you didn't make a 239 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: donation you we could. We all got new uniforms and 240 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: we could play anybody ever Fox which you need somebody 241 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: give me a call, okay. I shook his head, went away. 242 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: But that's what growing up to us. It wasn't like 243 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: the movie. They were part of us in a neighborhood. Now, 244 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: of course, there was some racism hearing it, and people 245 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: thought a certain way, but that's everything. When Italians came in, 246 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: they didn't like Italians. Some people don't like Italians. Some 247 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: people don't like black some people don't like Jews. Some 248 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: people don't like something that exists. But the biggest racism 249 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: I ever saw in my life is when I went 250 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: into the military. I knew about it in New York, 251 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's mad all that blue ship. But when 252 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: I went in and in the first place, I went 253 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: with the four Tacks in South Carolina, in the Sifour, 254 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: I've seen racism like I never seen in my life. 255 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: And uh I even told story. I did a video 256 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: about it. There was a guy from the Bronx. He 257 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: was a black guy, and we had KP dooty, so 258 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: went online and went serving there's big long spoons. Fucking 259 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: hillbillies came. Why. I hear him telling him the black guy, 260 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: hey boy, do this, Hey boy. I knew that would 261 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: bought him, so look didn't seem to bought him at all. 262 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: They came to me and guy put out a track 263 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: and I would say, serving beans or something, and I'm 264 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: putting it in his thing. That's tripping over and I stopped. 265 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: Hey boy, when I'll tell you to stop, that's when 266 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: you stopped. It's calling me boy now and he throws 267 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: all the fucking food on the count and I whappered 268 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: right in the fucking head, the double kid. The guy 269 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: behind him is his frindal. He hits me. They had 270 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: metal tracks almost not me over black eye dropped right 271 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: the funk over side phone blows. I get my senses. 272 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: I jumped over me and him a fucking fright and 273 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: have to join. We're on the MP's call, sitting on 274 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: the floor and uh, big guy comes in, big black guy, 275 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: big heavy set black guy. You like helping black people. Boy, Now, 276 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't stupid. He thought I was helping the black guy, 277 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: who wasn't that way at all. The black guy was 278 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: helping being so I took advantage of that. So I 279 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: said that when we from New York and we think 280 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: a little different, and he went, that means So I 281 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: got away. The black guy said and said, you used 282 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: that situ. So I mean, I don't know. You know, 283 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: you see these mafia movement and stuff, and uh, it's 284 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: really not that way, not in my neighborhood, not in 285 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: my lifetime. We had good relationships with them. I did 286 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: time with flat hat Nickels. I talked to a bout 287 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: him in the video. A sweetheart of a guy that's 288 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: a big time games, a big time. My My question 289 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: is um, what what was the transition that you went 290 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: like you said he was part of the Colombo family, 291 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: being went to the game, being on family. Why was 292 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: the transition the transitions they was, they started using me 293 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: more and more. The boss of this through a captain 294 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: comment in Persico, send him for me all the time. 295 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: Shorty's brother Ralph had a son, and he gets into 296 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: an argument when his brother, Shorty, why the fund you 297 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: keep taking Sam of there? I want my son to 298 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: go there. So they opened the books and he gets 299 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: made I want my son, not him, and surely said, listen, 300 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: I ain't brand him there. He's asking family and he's 301 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: doing whatever the funk he's told. So how to shut 302 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: me down? How to stop this rising starts? He makes 303 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: up this fucking Bulson story about a guy who was 304 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: with us who got killed, bumped into his wife in 305 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: a place where I was with seven eight guys a 306 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: week or two after he was killed in a in 307 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: a in a bank price and I saw that when 308 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: I got it, and it's annoyed to share. The abused 309 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: a little bit, and uh he brought it back that 310 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: I abused huh and hit huh because I wanted to 311 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: have sex when I was human though he twisting the story. 312 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: But he didn't realize when he twisted the story that 313 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: there was five, six seven guys there in the vote 314 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: with me when it happened. So when I went home, 315 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: I was married a ready. They he called out my 316 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: wife and his head. You know her husband is dead. 317 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: He tried to bang Ralph free wrong his wife. So 318 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: when I got home, I said, this safe is very technical. 319 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: Tell me exactly. He said, that's exactly what he said. 320 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: I got a gun and I went to this house. 321 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: I was gonna killing run at the blow away, but 322 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: he wasn't home. And when I turned around to go 323 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: back to my car had to come behind me by 324 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 1: my ass. She saw it and she told him. So 325 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: they knew where I went there to kill him. When 326 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: I was called in, they talked to me that the 327 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: same we're gonna do. I told him the story the 328 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: best I could, and I said I was gonna kill him. 329 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: Told what he did. They gave me right, Actually, bosses 330 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: gave me right. I said, what he did, you did 331 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: the right fucking thing, but not in his house in 332 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: front of his wife. I said, I was born in 333 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: that area, but I was gonna kill him. So he said, 334 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: he's short. His brother with we're not can allowed us. 335 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: We know we can't keep us together. So there's people 336 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: talking for you from the Gambino family. Bosses up on top, 337 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: and decision was switching. They come from the Colombo family 338 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: into that get a family, and that's how I wind 339 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: up with this old man title captain. And the man 340 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: was to me, he actually looked like my father was 341 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: the shortest my father, and he was a sweetheart, and 342 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: it to me he was my father something like he 343 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: was well respected. Um that don't bother you. Like, loyalty 344 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: is supposed to be everything. You know what I'm saying, 345 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: and I think listening to you and and the way 346 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: I lived my life, I believe loyalty is everything. You 347 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: will go far with loyalty. But then you have people 348 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: that hate or resent what you're doing and how other 349 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: people perceive you. So now they started to hate you, 350 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: Like I got this a lot, But did you ever 351 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: feel like they've wanted you out because of who you 352 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: was and the things that you did? And not only 353 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: didn't did they want to be where you was at 354 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: but and and you was in a way pretty much 355 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: of them coming a lot, So did you feel like that. 356 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: There was no loyalty with these people, and now I 357 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: gotta be a different way. I didn't feel that with everybody. 358 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: I felt it with certain people. When you're betraying me, 359 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: I'll betraying. I'll do any how fuckings are killing and 360 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: do anything to come at you. But if you show 361 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: me loyalty, and there was a lot of loyal I 362 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: don't want to put people down. There was a ton 363 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: of loyal people, and I always showed respect and loyalty 364 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: everything I've done in my life. That's how I've gotten respect. 365 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: When I started doing this social media stuff, when it 366 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: at a prison four years ago, I said, everybody's gonna 367 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: break my ass off sucking remarks. Bullshit that happens a 368 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: little bit everybody in their mother I got a naming 369 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: nine point two percent positive ready one and people from 370 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: New York, I won't mention Name's going to help the 371 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: people and get in touch with me. Italian guys, Mafia 372 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: guys were still mafia guys, Black guys, Hispanic guys. Guys. 373 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: I did time in prison. I mean, so I feel 374 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: as people getting in touch with me who I was 375 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: from the forty fifty years ago. How bit if a guy, 376 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: could you have but been if guys forty years ago 377 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: called you up now I didn't know the whole story, 378 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: and they saying me, how you feel that I ain't 379 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: doing I'm watching your videos. I'm watching yourself come down. 380 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: I did a couple of interviews with what the hell 381 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: is his name? That the black guyed fat school batman, 382 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: and I was asked to do that. I did it 383 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: with pistol pete, you know, and every time I was asked, helped. 384 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: That's what I do. But if you're kind of at 385 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: me sideways, bro, I told guys in prison, I'm not 386 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: a big guy, a small guy physically. I'll fight like 387 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: a backstad but I'm small. But I told guys in 388 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: prison when I got into big arguments with a guy 389 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: real big, I'm telling you killed me, motherfucker, because I'm 390 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: telling you what I'll do. I'm not taking this fucking 391 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: b I'll come back tonight when you're sweeping. I'll stick 392 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: a fucking shanking your fucking trunk. I'll guarantee you. And uh, 393 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: that's my philosophy. I treat people good. I respect people. 394 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: We'll talk about black people, my granddaughters by by racial 395 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: Uh shold my daughter. My shows. A black guy, I 396 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: would say, hey, people get out. I welcomed him. They 397 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: named Dave. He's pretty well a little black guy. So 398 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: I don't do anything when any of that bull shooting 399 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: out against people. I tell people. You know a lot 400 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: of people say, we'll stop talking to kids. I'm not 401 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: gonna talk that kids. I'm not gonna tell them what 402 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: to do. Here's what I'm gonna tell them. You want 403 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: to make money, you want to go stay over, you 404 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: want to do some drugs, bro, here's what I did. 405 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: I did twenty two years and fucking prisons. I was 406 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: shot twice, two different times. So you're gonna wind up 407 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: dad or in prison. So enjoy yourself. Do what the 408 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: funk you want. But my advice is there's a lot 409 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: of easy money to make money. Well we're doing right 410 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: now in this room. There's guys Will Cameras who's editing 411 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: is a normal, is a powerful name. From what I 412 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: hit you, guys are all respected. There's a way to 413 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: do it, funk going in prison. Definitely going to prison. 414 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the biggest things I see 415 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: h always, like I told you, you and James remind 416 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: me of a lot of LIFs living next stories. Your 417 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: move came up young and sixuuations to where it looked 418 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: like you as kind of misunderstood and where nobody helping you. Guys, 419 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: you're mixing the dix Letsia right, you had to a 420 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: few teachers asked right, Well, there was one teacher, he 421 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: was the principal. You know, we were playing Oki and 422 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: these cops caught us. They brought us into the school. 423 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: I was still a little drunk, and uh, the guy, 424 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: the principal was talking to the other teachers and you 425 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: know that's how these people are, see how they are 426 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: these grease balls. Now, it's like using the N word 427 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: to a black guy ball. But it doesn't bother me 428 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: at all because like rappers use the N word, Italians used, 429 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: don't bother me grease balls the end. So I listened 430 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: to him. Then he's swalking and I said, listen, bro hey, 431 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: shut up. And then he continues talking and he says, say, day, 432 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: it's the upbringing these grease bulls. Now, when he said 433 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: it that way, I took it that he's talking about 434 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: my mother and father, legitimate people. He's putting their down 435 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: now for the nationality or race it. Do you want 436 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: to call and I got up. I said, let me 437 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: ask you. Of course, I just wiped the fucking shot 438 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: and I broke his fucking draw and I got thrown 439 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: out and I put it put into six D school. 440 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: So I just went through a rough life. When I 441 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: was dealing with construction, I used to work in the 442 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: hood all the time. The housing projects we would do. 443 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: You know, they would get contracts and I would go 444 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: in and do the jobs and work in those neighborhoods. 445 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: And I would work with black contractors, you know, they 446 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: had I was working with a Jewish contract and he 447 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: had trouble in the neighborhood because while they're building and 448 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: they got a gate around the building, but at night, 449 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: the black people go in and robbed, rob them blind. 450 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: He said, what well I do send me it's not 451 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Go down at night? Stop it? 452 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: We're going to stop it? Yeah, how are you gonna stop? 453 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: I'll say, I went there. It was a black I 454 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: can't think because his names are bulleds, a wad name. 455 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: And I grabbed him. I said, bro, you're got it. 456 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: You're the man in the neighborhood right, yeah, whom My 457 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: name is Sami Himity Ball what you're doing is crazy. Bro, 458 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: this is your neighborhood. I'll let this contractor pay you 459 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: for security, legitimately, put your friends around, let the neighborhood 460 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: know this is your job. Highest some of them and 461 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: I'll get you to contract. You'll do that, yeah, but 462 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm not doing it just for you. That's gonna make 463 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: me strong with the contract. I'm gonna be honest with you. 464 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: If I could stop you, and I can help him 465 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: with you and yours, and now I could help him 466 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: with this minority groups in these neighborhoods, that's making me stronger. 467 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: But you got guys who know how to paint, right, Yeah, 468 00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: of course, then I get you security and paint the contracts, 469 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: open up a business, and I hope you. So I 470 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,239 Speaker 1: went back and I talked to the guy. He says, who, 471 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: because we we got somebody who has God dogs good good, 472 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: Try that first and we'll tell you what's gonna happen. 473 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: They're gonna beat up to God, they're gonna eat the dog, 474 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: and they're gonna rob your job. Blood. So if you 475 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: could do it my way, you can do it your way. 476 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: How much is this gonna cost me? It's gonna cost 477 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: whatever the fuck A normal contractor is for security, a 478 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: normal contract for pain? They they could do those things. 479 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: I stand behind it. They'll do it, and nobody will 480 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: touch your job no more. I want a little lecture 481 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: for that guy, all right, Sandy, I could put it 482 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: on your contract when you pay the Yeah. And I 483 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: don't know how many jobs I would him for you. 484 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: If I a job and puss in the spot and 485 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: I was having problems, even the union pressure couldn't get 486 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: this guy to budget, I would get in touch with 487 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: be a favor, get a bus. All of those guys 488 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: with the bad daddas and the nights, they go down 489 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: to the job and create a problem when we work 490 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: making money that way, there's all kinds of ways to 491 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: make money, legitimate. Shooting me, trying to killing each other. 492 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: I look at this thing into and you once against 493 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: me over there, took a brother brother, too much of us. 494 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you killed each other. Bro. People seeing Sammy 495 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: and when they hear your name, they you know, a 496 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 1: dootmatic you think of this monster. But sitting there listening 497 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: to you, you have a lot of people even with 498 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: being Sammy the book, you know what I mean? Yeah, 499 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: So where's the bad guy? I want to talk to 500 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: the best sent me. Well, let's gun called me and 501 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: motherfucker's called us. What do you say my thing is? 502 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: But when you say that's that was the way that 503 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: y'all had it back then. Was like the power of 504 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: the respect and the and the and the mouthpiece to 505 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: to negotiate was better than the power of the pistol 506 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: for the way. Oh absolutely, Listen, when you got certain 507 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: powers and you use your head. Uh, look what normal 508 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: is doing. I mean I don't know hold the all 509 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: and but I hear it about him all over the place. 510 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: That's where I'm here. And you guys, But if you 511 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: use your head and talking to these kids, not you personally, 512 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: but if you use your head and you do things, 513 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: you can make money. Listen, people love people who got 514 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: balls and brains together. They'll love you even more. People 515 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: fear you because you're nasty and you've got balls and 516 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: you're using it up way, but use the balls and 517 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: brains in a positive way. They were only still fee you, 518 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: but they'll love you. The hardest combination to get is 519 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: when a guy loves, fears and respects you. It's a 520 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: hard combination. I met with Mark Woolburg I met with 521 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: my said Mark, and he's the greatest guy. I really 522 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: liked Mark bug Willburger Heart, I said, how do you 523 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: do this? Wow? Every time I go to a doctor nurse, 524 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: So you know, Mark Woolburger, I said, every woman named 525 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: the country wants to bang you and every guy wants 526 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: to beat you. How did you get those two groups 527 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: to love you at the same time. And he's a 528 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: perfect example. He was a bad boy growing up. I 529 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: hope I don't get in trouble with Mark, but he 530 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: was a bad boy growing up. Then he rapped and 531 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: he did something else. Then he did movies, rest this issue, 532 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: and he's a great guy. So you could use those things. 533 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: Norm's example, your example, your example, the people in this room. 534 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I get some of these people in Hollywood. 535 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: I don't get a reception like this, right, I mean, 536 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: and that way. I don't get that. You know he's 537 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: gonna educated talk, right. You know, you guys are doing 538 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: the right thing. I hope the show up takes off 539 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: and goes triple with this, if that's possible. But it 540 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: was really going me for one. I mean, I'm like like, Wow, 541 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm listening to you because I grew up just like that. Um, 542 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: I thought being the bad guy was the right way. 543 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: Now that I'm older, I see being a good guy. 544 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: I get more out of being honest about myself and 545 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: about where I live, and I'm and I'm reaping the 546 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: benefits from it, and I just being humble with ain't 547 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with it. It don't make you, we need it, 548 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: don't make you this punk and man I'm in. I 549 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: mean your life inspired mine because I'm listening to you 550 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like, damn, I that's what I did. Like 551 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,479 Speaker 1: I used to tell the guys in the Motorcycle Club, 552 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do nothing that that. I ain't gonna 553 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: ask you to do nothing that I haven't done. Uh, 554 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: you know, I'm the boss. I'm taking off first. You 555 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. If I don't fight, we don't 556 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 1: have to. So I'm listening to you and it's like, wow, 557 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: I mean maybe all of our life it's pretty much 558 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: the same thing. Because he has to re repeat itself 559 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: and wow, your storious wet we Honestly, we have people 560 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: like Ralph Spiro trying to pull me down to get ahead. 561 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like a step step black. He 562 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: wants to step by me and get ahead. We have 563 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: people doing that right now. I see society. Right now, 564 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: I look at society and I see things that are 565 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: going on, and all of these things trying to make 566 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: one race against the other. To me, I'm a shoot dunk, 567 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm a gangster. I see it. That's so clear to be. 568 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: Maybe the other people they don't see it. I see 569 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: it that if they want people black and white people 570 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: to hate each other and fight and everything's racist today, 571 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: why I look at it? Why where they get that? 572 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: You know, Becausian black, I be doing great sports people, singers, entertainers. 573 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: Hip hop took over the old book music, and why 574 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: are they doing that the same fucking thing to have 575 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: us fight, hold us to funk down while these rebbal 576 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: elites fucking wind up with all the cash and we're 577 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: not looking at them because we're busy fighting, busy bigger 578 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: than amongst each other. You know, I've heard you mentioned 579 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: hip hop a couple of times, and that's the thing, um, 580 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: Like I said, gangsterism has influenced the whole world, like right, 581 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: and you being a major rapper, major figure, pioneer, now 582 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: you know source of hip hop industry. You remember back 583 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: in the nineties when everybody started naming itself after Italian monsters. Monsters. Um, 584 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: you had a million godies around, We had a million compouns, 585 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: you know, you know what I mean? They were names 586 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: after the notorious gang. How did you guys feeling the 587 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: jay limited for all these rappers naming itself go and 588 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: all this other stuff. Well for me, and then then 589 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: heard my name in a couple of hipps probably too much. 590 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: When I worked out. I love that be to work out. 591 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: There's no better music to me to work out. I mean, 592 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,479 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be hip hopping around on a little 593 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: the places. Especially that beat motivates me when they work out. 594 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: You know, when I was young, my son and my 595 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: daughter noticed people bull time here ull time of course, 596 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: okay bull time do them And somebody had come to me, 597 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: my daughter, the son, somebody and said, you know, you 598 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: can get involved with them doing what and pop it 599 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: or whatever. They will make it. Back then, I think 600 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: they were the original almost I said, no, what the 601 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: fucking mistake I made to kick right up the spoor 602 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: was times? But so they were around, and they were 603 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: right from my neighbor that I believe they. I believe 604 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: they were right from Cody own and by right yea, 605 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: so they were right from Tony And that's what I'm saying. 606 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: So all this bullshit that we didn't get long or 607 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: of course there was an arguments and price there were 608 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: always is, but it's not It wasn't that racial when 609 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: don't get black people like they're making and that nothing happens, 610 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, because they're telling was heavily involved in the 611 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: music industry back yes, absolutely, to what extent? How much 612 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: con trove do you think that they know? They had 613 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: tremendous control. They had these music stations that was his name, 614 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,720 Speaker 1: something Freed or something, and they could get your record 615 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: played on their music station, you know, so they had connects. 616 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: You guys control radio. When the resolustry, I think in 617 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: a lot of ways it probably steel is about of 618 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: control because those contracts they're giving these keys. So it's 619 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: always been like that as far as the music is 620 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 1: business is concerned. You know, we didn't control a lot 621 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: of stuff back in the days as far as the 622 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,399 Speaker 1: record business, publishing and royalties and all that stuff. So 623 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: you heard me speak on that a lot about what 624 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: was owned as far as masters and who would do 625 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: whatever you could do a record deal and only get 626 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: too per the record, and you did everything. I mean, 627 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: that was just the times it was in. And today 628 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 1: you're still going on like that. You see people getting 629 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: into these three sixty deals where I advance you a 630 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: little money, but I'm gonna taken ownership, you know. So 631 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't think nothing has changed to this day. It's 632 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: different hands. That's that's always doing. James saying no way, 633 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, you know what, and I keep saying that 634 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: you guys are kid experience. As I'm listening to this 635 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: sound like some ship James and saying exactly that sounds 636 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: like some stuff Peo would say. And I love as 637 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: you said one of your things, you go everywhere. You 638 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,439 Speaker 1: always had your guns right the first time out? Yeah, 639 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: I did. I always had it the first time. I 640 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: not not any more of the times have changed. When 641 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: I cut out in uh ninety five, uh fairly part 642 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,959 Speaker 1: of ninety six. Yeah, I was held all the time. 643 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: All that's on because the times were different that we 644 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: couldn't come. I knew they were gonna come, but I 645 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: was ready and uh I was just gonna, you know, 646 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: will ended in the streets, will do it. But now 647 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: the times are completely different. You know a lot of 648 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: guys sacked them off. They don't kill people no more. 649 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: They don't do a lot of things. So what happens. 650 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 1: And now I know a lot of cops and and 651 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: and FBI agents. I knew them. I've actually became friends 652 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: with them. Some of them some of them go guys, 653 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: some of them are not. But uh, what they said 654 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,240 Speaker 1: is that when you don't create vicious crimes, their squads 655 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: that are working on you, when your gang and or 656 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, they go down, they focus on 657 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. So in thirteen they're killing 658 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 1: people like they were confetti for no reason at all. 659 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: I like your bike, they kill you. So the FBI 660 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: now takes those agents that are working on you. I'm 661 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: that sage p but you and they put them on down. 662 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: So God go kill him from so hopeful basically seven 663 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: three no more. Let spend this energy, this money on 664 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: him because they're doing a boding crimes, right, So let's 665 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: focus on them, right, So you're smart in a way 666 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: that mafia is backed away from you, don't see. Like 667 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: when I was younger, and even before I went away, 668 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,959 Speaker 1: it was like the Jesse James that it was sucking 669 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: a bouties everywhere every time he turned around. So when 670 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: you stop that, you're not gonna take that kind of heat, 671 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 1: and then you're not gonna get the truly he is 672 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 1: the sentences. You're gonna get life for our pro thirty years, 673 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: fifty years, and hundred years. You're finished. You don't miss 674 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: you don't miss that, that that vibe, that that energy 675 00:41:50,120 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: that you used to be, you know, to come and 676 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: if I'm on the gamest right now, on the gangster, 677 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: but I got my family and my friends, people who 678 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: wanted to make people. I deal with people I like, 679 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm cool if I don't like you, said her and you, 680 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: I get the funk away from I don't know aboutege 681 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: shipful is that? And I'm not calling back to prison 682 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna go back to prison because these 683 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: guys are sucking asshole exactly just like fun. You got 684 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: to prison for something, right, you know that She's like, 685 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,919 Speaker 1: my fuckers, you don't have to funk with I'm gonna 686 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 1: funk with you and you ain't gotta fun. Let's see 687 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: just this. Then you're got to do children. But I say, 688 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: you know you don't spoke nothing about the truth today 689 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: because with success it brings a certain amount envy and 690 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: jealousy that we all had those little texts montherfuers. We 691 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: don't even know they're saying ship about it. He only 692 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: just made up the bonus, you know, just I'm talking 693 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: about saying on him and say, oh and if we 694 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: ens him the age where most pomers will leave anything 695 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: that's on the left up. I wanted to see it. 696 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 1: I am from Mars and I am want to destroy 697 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: this climate. The next tree farm was a fall y'all 698 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: want send me a dollar? I guarantee you if I 699 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: get a grown enough message that this will be open. 700 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 1: Smother from sending me money will believe it well, because 701 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: from doing that, I meant get menderstand man, what we 702 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: have here is the same wool. And then you have 703 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: other people. You have gangsters by nature that was born 704 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,240 Speaker 1: to be what Sammy and for you know what I'm saying. 705 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: And then you have guys that sat around the table 706 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: and listen to those stairs and they said believe that 707 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,760 Speaker 1: they are gangsters. Those are what you call the water 708 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: down catch. You know what I'm saying, that met him 709 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: that room. But it is the truth that that sitting 710 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: there comes they simply a basement with of the things. 711 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: He's a jerk ball for this is comes up with 712 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: someone last he's a bitch, say he's never gonna even 713 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: come to your face and say that he's not gonna 714 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: come to mind as old as I am need gonna 715 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: do it. This is a big ship thing. This is 716 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: gone and the people out there. It happens on this 717 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,760 Speaker 1: like he said, on this YouTube and all these channels. 718 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: It's happening because people want to put him down. That 719 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: should make you want to listen to him more. Because 720 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: some jerk office saying that, hundreds of thousands of people 721 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 1: saying he's a dry buff that maybe he is, but 722 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: when this little turmites sitting in their mommy's fucking bason 723 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,799 Speaker 1: and hitting fucking computer ships, listen to this guy, right, sure, 724 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: I gotta ask this questions? Not pretty sure because you 725 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: know the face won't though hopefully well break. You mentioned 726 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: that you were heavily a ball for the unions. Right yeah, 727 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: where the fund is? Jimmy off I was gon said, 728 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: because anybody so nobody here about these guys that they 729 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 1: have a fun with out with this guys think like 730 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,760 Speaker 1: is he around? And he funked up somehow like he's 731 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,280 Speaker 1: missing for a reason. He's he's missing for a reason. 732 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: You know. I'll tell you guys real quick. Jimmy Hoff, 733 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Hof was a good guy. He was in the unions, 734 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: he control the unions, and he was with the mafia. 735 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: He had problems with the Kennedy's and all that ship. 736 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 1: They took it away from they put it away. Now 737 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 1: you can't control it. He's commit the felon. They the 738 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: mafia put somebody else in from Darning while he was 739 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,240 Speaker 1: in prison. When it came out, they called him, Jimmy, 740 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,919 Speaker 1: you always work with us, you will, good guy. There's 741 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: nobody who knows that when you're better than you. So 742 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do when I leave this guy in 743 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 1: because he's really working, go with us, but you're gonna 744 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: watch over him. You're gonna be a guy from him 745 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: to you to us. And you never really got a 746 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: piece in the party. Said, that's mort, that's mort. Yeah, 747 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: you can't do that. He was told, this isn't a 748 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: candy story. This ain't you know. It's just as well 749 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: tell you what he said. No, say, you know, I 750 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: gotta live that county and God knows when he went, 751 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: but he's gone. He ain't relaxing. He ain't relaxing. Sit 752 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: and Pema Colas no work. I was because we kind 753 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,359 Speaker 1: of kept this interview a secret coming up to it, 754 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: because that's just what we do. More paceybody, yeah, everything, 755 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,760 Speaker 1: and it came in first, so we were really excited. 756 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: We thank you for coming up here. No questions like 757 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: actually these movies like TV shows like The Sopranos and 758 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 1: things like the hot flows of those shows too. We have. 759 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: The Surprisers was really really well done. There was the 760 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: Cavalcanti family and Easy. It was one of the ten 761 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: or fifteen percent true, any five percent. I'm trying to 762 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,439 Speaker 1: do a scripted show now, I want to reverse any 763 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: five percent true, ten ten percent about how they will 764 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 1: do what they want. That's number one. Number two. I 765 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: don't know if it's in any contracts. So why people 766 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 1: spoke to you and you answer your question about Julie 767 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: off and you may be answered you only one seventeen 768 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: dollars and sixty guys, stay a little bit boy, you 769 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: know no, So you know because we watch the shows, 770 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, America's effectually the thing that she's put 771 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: off the games. You're gonna go for usurprous to mini society, 772 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: to all these movement of all these the lifestyle, it's 773 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: the lifestyle. It's the lifestyle of the underworld. You know, 774 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: just the being able to, you know, articulate new stuff 775 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: when you want to do it your own rules. You know, 776 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 1: a crew of a family, you know, boys together, you know. 777 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: I think that's what fascinates people about the gangster lifestyle. 778 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: It's a different codebody want to be tough. Yeah, I 779 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: gotta be tough, Like I gotta be tougher than you 780 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: just because you bigger, mean, don't mean you can vote me. 781 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: So I gotta show you that I'm tougher than you. No, 782 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: they shoot me because the big dudes come off as 783 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: the ones the mot abilities and whatever. Yeah. So see 784 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,759 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So when you're seeing got this show, 785 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: we got to shoot you type of mother, I gonna 786 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: be getting shot. Yeah. I think I astual. Yeah yeah, 787 00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, let's see what people might have been some 788 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,239 Speaker 1: real kid involved that that seemed like it was a 789 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,319 Speaker 1: it was fairly accurate. Wasn't accurate at all. That's never 790 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: There was a lot of a lot of beans ship. 791 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: There's not about well, we can't wait to you do 792 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:18,319 Speaker 1: something so people can see the real way, because if 793 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: they saw a real they're going to be scared of 794 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,880 Speaker 1: of trying to live their life. No, I mean, listen, 795 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 1: it's good to be. We're all games. We're about to 796 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: finish this up. I ain't live unless you're fucking feeming. 797 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: So we're gonna eat together a little bit. And I 798 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: took someselfs down down with so many women. It might 799 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 1: be called me on that because being retoed, if you 800 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: know how to handle it and be a blue guy, 801 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,240 Speaker 1: you know what, the strongest fucking is gonna say something crazy, 802 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: A fall out of one, No, the most powerful funking one. 803 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: I had a friend of mine who was dying against 804 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 1: in tremendous pain last few days, and I'm gonna see 805 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:18,919 Speaker 1: him and it was smiling. When it's smiling about love, 806 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: you've a pain? Want to get this? Is that nonsunicol m. 807 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 1: I know it's a tremendous paint. I could be cool, 808 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,240 Speaker 1: block and let me get yourself nervously. Why you smile? 809 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,799 Speaker 1: All the love I had with my family and my 810 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 1: close friends, That's what I'm looking at now. I don't 811 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,399 Speaker 1: feel love pain, right? I feel love well, that blue 812 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: men fuck away that blue me right. Love is a 813 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:55,120 Speaker 1: short thing. I'm gonna talk about a black hand man 814 00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:00,360 Speaker 1: want The kid did so much for black people, not 815 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: going gun one night, one punch needs fun. He used 816 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,800 Speaker 1: common sense, he used love and compassion, and they bowed 817 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: black people from here, dah was it the whole job 818 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 1: but a little while love And like you said, you're 819 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: a tough guy. People look up to you in the 820 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 1: neighborhood when you walk, when you're tough guy, they love 821 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,840 Speaker 1: the ship at you. When you give them opportunities. You 822 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 1: call that kid over your trouble a sawbuck in his 823 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,400 Speaker 1: pocket or something. And when the favorite if you can 824 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: help me with my company and you ticket, they love you. 825 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,359 Speaker 1: That's a true tough guy. You don't have to act 826 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 1: like a tough guy. You don't have to fucking do 827 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 1: anything crazy. He only has to do that when he 828 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 1: has to. But if you do those other things, like 829 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,440 Speaker 1: I said, this guy's a perfect example. As big as 830 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 1: he is fucking six poll americic for almost aids R 831 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,879 Speaker 1: I ever missed. But he's a sucking sweetheunt. I could 832 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,880 Speaker 1: I could tell and I and I'm good at character, 833 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,799 Speaker 1: you know, he's a heavyweight and you you'll live. You'll 834 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 1: I see it, I feel it. I don't even know 835 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 1: you up until to that. And whoever that fucking guys 836 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: the camera beat me and fucking chat, well, I'm gonna 837 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,319 Speaker 1: figet that he beat me in chest it. They're gonna 838 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 1: let that sat it again. I tried to achieve right, 839 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: he hasn't. I'm I'm gonna get it with this. I 840 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 1: got this one last person. I'm gonna give you a 841 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:47,920 Speaker 1: date of location, December six five, Smaller Stackhouse podcast around. 842 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,759 Speaker 1: I planned it, I put it together, I ran it, 843 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,520 Speaker 1: conducted it. It's on my podcast. Um, you can hear 844 00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,600 Speaker 1: it the whole story I've been I got nine episodes 845 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: out in season one. Season two is out right now. 846 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm no. I got three episodes out and I'm talking 847 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: about my life sting blood Jack. But what about what's 848 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 1: the name of the podcast? I would think, and y'all, y' y'all, 849 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: y'all gonna put it on my link is not gonna 850 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:30,320 Speaker 1: be on a Bunna made page. That was gonna because 851 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 1: that was a dumb little false heads to young was 852 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,600 Speaker 1: the bush that that's all chime to go? You got 853 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,759 Speaker 1: in the power because I guess this podcasting. You know, 854 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: guy was bad with his maid and just doing a 855 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 1: bunch of crops. I mean that's you know, it's it's 856 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 1: it's it was a sound thing, but like maybe kind 857 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,919 Speaker 1: of you know quick you know what, it's something or 858 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 1: a lot of dances. What you mad? I'm going you 859 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,319 Speaker 1: want to die a woman? Who I'm truck Now I'll 860 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,160 Speaker 1: kill with you. Go back a woman, but not in 861 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,479 Speaker 1: your fucking ask with your maid. And now your maid 862 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,120 Speaker 1: is telling your wife, yeah, you go do the issues. 863 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 1: Come on, man, go you got a ton of money, 864 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 1: a ton of gs. Go do your thing. So it's 865 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: just abandon him. It's like one more sorry before we go. 866 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:24,360 Speaker 1: This is an important one. My guy Tylo used to 867 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,320 Speaker 1: go to the the next restaurant, neighborhood restaurant with his girlfriend. 868 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 1: In the two guys called is goodman and wants you 869 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,279 Speaker 1: the line you take his wife there. So one night 870 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 1: he was in the restaurant, Tyler's telling man. So I 871 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,400 Speaker 1: went in there and I'm sitting with my bomana. The 872 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,200 Speaker 1: door opens up and call again being on Bosters Bold 873 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,239 Speaker 1: Bosters walks in with five guys. You don't say you 874 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 1: know you don't buy a drink, you don't do, not 875 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 1: know you're doing is a little about yet Oh that's it. 876 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: So it's very cheating. So called ambito sits down, Tyler 877 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: shitting it's for mom. What did the guys get up? 878 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,960 Speaker 1: Comes over there many time? Why you don't know? It 879 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,919 Speaker 1: roses your girlfriend? I don't know by name? Rosy? Yes, 880 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,920 Speaker 1: sit over here, go sit next to the h in 881 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,719 Speaker 1: the end. Check it's next to color there. So Carl Van, yeah, 882 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, tell us toy, you come here up, don't you? Yeah? 883 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,719 Speaker 1: What's your wife on the cage? Yeah, he says, what 884 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,799 Speaker 1: do you think these people who work at what they're saying? Nothing? No? Nothing, none? 885 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,480 Speaker 1: They remember saying nothing. No, of course they're they're friend. 886 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about what do 887 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,040 Speaker 1: you mean behind your black put it to this. Oh 888 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: she's so much better looking than your wife. But I 889 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 1: don't know. So you love your wife and you don't 890 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,160 Speaker 1: even speculate, but her feelings would be what people were 891 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,840 Speaker 1: talking about being all right, an, let me ask you 892 00:55:54,920 --> 00:56:00,359 Speaker 1: another question. Talk do you love me? Of course? Of 893 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,600 Speaker 1: course I love you. I don't I hope that you 894 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,480 Speaker 1: don't love me like you love your wife. Now that 895 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 1: is another words. If you can't show your wife literally fat, 896 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:23,920 Speaker 1: literally shot, well I canna trust you love me. So 897 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 1: I heard not easy, a lot of sense. So with 898 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:36,920 Speaker 1: that I close. I'm gonna go eat your food and leave. Well. 899 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,920 Speaker 1: That concludes another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. 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