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Speaker 1: Hello there, Happy Monday, and welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the check podcast. If you are waking up in the

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Speaker 1: of you in New York that might be another story.

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Speaker 1: But for those of us that make content, it means

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Speaker 1: whatever you may be doing this morning. Look, it's a

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Speaker 1: Trump presidency. It's very well, we look back, this is

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the end. We may look back and

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Speaker 1: to unpacked all things tariff, because look, an important moment,

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Speaker 1: the democracy, the guard rails, separations, like all of the

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Speaker 1: And then you have a president responding as if he

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Speaker 1: What are we up to? Congress still is not being told.

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Speaker 1: Is this about the nuclear program? Is this about negotiation?

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Speaker 1: as unconstitutional. That's if Trump would go along and accept

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Speaker 1: the premise that the Supreme Court is correct here. That's

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Speaker 1: not what he's doing. And this is what should make

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Speaker 1: all of us pause here. Man. The President didn't respond

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Speaker 1: by arguing on the merits. He didn't argue about it

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Speaker 1: the statutory interpretation. He didn't respond by seeing the court

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Speaker 1: misread history. He responded by doing what he does best,

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Speaker 1: attacking his own appointees for simply being disloyal. And it

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Speaker 1: is a reminder, right, if we did not have lifetime

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Speaker 1: appointment to the Supreme Court. He tried to fire Gorsich.

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Speaker 1: He tried to fire Barrett, just like he's doing with

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Speaker 1: the FED. So just keep that in mind. The founders

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Speaker 1: knew that. I mean, look, none of us love this

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Speaker 1: lifetime appointment business. And maybe we should have age limits

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Speaker 1: and there's some ways to end it. But you cannot

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Speaker 1: what you cannot have as an executive having the ability

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Speaker 1: to fire somebody in another branch of government. And obviously

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Speaker 1: our founders knew that, and that's why it's important to

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Speaker 1: give Supreme Court justices this. So here he is personally

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Speaker 1: attack it Neil Gorsuch and Amy Cony Barrett. Neil Gorsich,

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Speaker 1: who was voted with Trump quite a bit. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he's rarely in that institutional Every once in a while

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Speaker 1: he surprises you. I was pretty convinced he'd be with

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Speaker 1: the seven to two majority. Like I said, the surprise

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Speaker 1: for me was capital. But Trump did the usual personation, right,

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Speaker 1: he said this was an embarrassment to their families. So

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Speaker 1: he's attacking the families of Neil Gorsuch and Amy Coneni Barr.

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Speaker 1: And we know when Trump does this, it does it

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Speaker 1: does you know, all of a sudden there are mentally

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Speaker 1: unstable people out there who start doxing people start going

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Speaker 1: after it is. It is terrible what he does, and

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Speaker 1: it's designed as a chilling effect, right. What you know,

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00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: he goes after anybody that was supposedly that he viewed

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Speaker 1: as on his side, and when they break ranks, he

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Speaker 1: he goes after him in nasty ways because he's trying

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Speaker 1: to prevent it from happening again. He's afraid it's going

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Speaker 1: to get contagious. But here's the thing, more and more people,

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Speaker 1: more and more Republicans. I think this is this is

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Speaker 1: why I think this could be such an important moment

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Speaker 1: that this the breaking points don't happen. The breaking points

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Speaker 1: are realized six months after that breaking point happens. Right,

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Speaker 1: And so you know, if we go on and I

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Speaker 1: promise you Democrats sweep the midterms, we'll say, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: thing started collapsing. And it really sort of took another

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Speaker 1: nose dive with the Supreme Court ruling and then his

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Speaker 1: just unhinged response to it. And look, we're all kind

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Speaker 1: of numb to this. Oh, just another day at the office.

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Speaker 1: He's just attacking members Supreme Court. He also thinks there's

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Speaker 1: some conspiracy blaming foreign influence. You have the conspiracy of

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Speaker 1: these foreigners right there infiltrating the Supreme Court. This is

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Speaker 1: some foreign influence campaign on Justices Gorsach and amy Cony Barrett.

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Speaker 1: Let's take it all the way through. Tell me how

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Speaker 1: that works, mister President. Tell me how there's foreign influence

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Speaker 1: on Neil Gorsich. Tell me how there's foreign influence on

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Speaker 1: John Roberts. You know you can't. You're gonna throw this

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Speaker 1: out there. Give me some details. Show your proof. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure your proof is with the with the with all

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Speaker 1: the stuff you found out during when when you swore

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Speaker 1: that you had evidence that Barack Obama wasn't born in

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Speaker 1: the United States. I'm sure that evidence is in the

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Speaker 1: same place at the evidence of of that's somehow foreign

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Speaker 1: interest swayed Neil Gorsuch and Amy Cony Barrett. Show your evidence.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that. What you do is you count

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Speaker 1: on your lapdog supporters to just take your accusation and

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Speaker 1: run with it, and you count on algorithms to amplify

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Speaker 1: it and make it seem like a legitimate talking point.

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Speaker 1: It's disgusting, it's awful, and yeah, we already have look

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Speaker 1: another person came after you, mister President at mar a Lago.

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Speaker 1: All right, stop this. The more you do this stuff,

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Speaker 1: the more you put everybody at risk physically. You're putting

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Speaker 1: the lives in dangers of two Supreme Court justices that

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Speaker 1: you appointed. You appointed these people, and you're attacking them

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Speaker 1: and attacking their families. It's outrageous and it's awful. And

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Speaker 1: the again, right, you have an entire Republican party who

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Speaker 1: just doesn't respond to this anymore. I understand rationally why

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Speaker 1: they don't. Doesn't get them anywhere, just causes more problems

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Speaker 1: for them, and it's all sort of self preservation is

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Speaker 1: why you don't speak out. But folks, he is super weak.

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Speaker 1: This is the absolute definition of an emperor with no clothes,

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Speaker 1: and every day we keep finding out how little he's

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Speaker 1: wearing under his little garments there. So he obviously is

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Speaker 1: decided not to not to do this the normal way

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Speaker 1: any other president when they're set back, they criticize the court,

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Speaker 1: they're frustrated, they say this or that, but then they

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Speaker 1: are like, figure out another way. Maybe they want to

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Speaker 1: work with Congress, but nope. He doesn't view his loss

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Speaker 1: as a constitutional issue. He views the loss as a

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Speaker 1: loyalty issue. But let's go back to April. And this

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Speaker 1: is why I fear long term impact of Trump less

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Speaker 1: than most people do. He really is lazy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he is super lazy, right. I often used the joke, Look,

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Speaker 1: he's too lazy to be Hitler, He's too lazy to

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Speaker 1: be Orbon. He's too lazy to be air to one. Okay,

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Speaker 1: forget any of these other you know, forget using the

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Speaker 1: north star of the Nazis. Right, just picked today's sort

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Speaker 1: of authoritarian. It's too lazy to be Orbon. I'm too

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Speaker 1: lazy to be air to one. Right. Imagine you know,

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Speaker 1: he actually had some political capital in the first ninety

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Speaker 1: days of his administration, and he could have probably strong

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Speaker 1: armed his narrow congressional majorities in the House and Senate

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Speaker 1: to give him the authority if he simply said back

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Speaker 1: in late March, hey, Congress, I want I want specific

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Speaker 1: tariff authority. I'm going to I'm a better negotiator than

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Speaker 1: you are. I'm going to negotiate these trade deals, but

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Speaker 1: I need to control the tariff. I need you to

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Speaker 1: delegate tariff authority to the president. Let's debate it, let's

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Speaker 1: vote on it. And there'd have been wouldn't have been easy,

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Speaker 1: and he may not have won that argument, but that

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Speaker 1: is how you try to win an argument. And then

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Speaker 1: if you can't win the argument, then he can go

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Speaker 1: find his own Republicans to challenge the primary folks, and

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Speaker 1: you try to do it that way. It's what FDR

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Speaker 1: would do when he had rakhal centrin Democrats to some

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Speaker 1: of his ideas. But he also had pretty decent political

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Speaker 1: capital with Republicans in that moment. You certainly know he

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Speaker 1: would have strong armed the House at that time, right,

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Speaker 1: he was pretty much the House speaker at that point,

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Speaker 1: and John Thune was in go along, get along mode,

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Speaker 1: I know, McConnell and you know. And they could have

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Speaker 1: done it through the reconciliation process when they were doing

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Speaker 1: their big beautiful bill. They were too lazy to pursue

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Speaker 1: because it's what was it going to be hard? They

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Speaker 1: were going to have to do some good old fashioned

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Speaker 1: horse trading. But remember, right, the greatest weakness Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: has is his laziness. It will always be the key

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Speaker 1: as to why he didn't have the success he could

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Speaker 1: have had in business. Right. Too lazy in the casino

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Speaker 1: business to right, he didn't want to deal with competitors,

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Speaker 1: so bought them up, drowned himself in debt, and walked away. Right,

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00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: he's just always looking for a shortcut. Right, Donald Trump

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00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: has shortcuted his way to being a billionaire. Good for him.

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Speaker 1: He's used the power of the federal government to actually

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Speaker 1: make himself a billionaire. Again a shortcut. But as president,

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Speaker 1: his agenda is failing and he's failing to remake the

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Speaker 1: American economy in his vision because he's too lazy to

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Speaker 1: work with Congress. Bottom line, had he done that, he'd

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Speaker 1: have had a shot. Markets would have been calmer, his

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Speaker 1: political capital was fresher, Party was more unified in that moment,

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Speaker 1: and he wouldn't have gotten all the authority he would

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Speaker 1: have wanted, but he would have gotten some targeted authority

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Speaker 1: and it would have been legitimate. But again, he didn't

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Speaker 1: want to bother He wanted speed, he wanted immediate leverage.

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Speaker 1: She wanted unilateral control. But it's lazy because it doing

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Speaker 1: it every way I'm describing is a little bit harder.

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Speaker 1: It's effort, It takes it. You have to have an

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Speaker 1: attention span a little bit greater than a nat Well

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Speaker 1: we know he doesn't, so he reached for the emergency

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Speaker 1: powers because they work so well during COVID. So he

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Speaker 1: loves these shortcut emergency powers that Stephen Miller consistently finds

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Speaker 1: for him now, and he didn't want to have a

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Speaker 1: debate in his own party, and this avoids deliberation. Well,

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Speaker 1: guess what his shortcut ran into Article one. So within

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Speaker 1: hours of the ruling, Trump announces a new global baseline

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Speaker 1: tariff under Section one twenty two of the nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: four Trade Act. So he's going back even further now

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Speaker 1: in congressional authorization to try to find a legal way

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Speaker 1: around this. By the way, this new fifteen percent flat

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Speaker 1: tariff that he's sent across the board expires in one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty days, so it is he's going to

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Speaker 1: need to go to Congress if he wants to continue it.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to Congress weighing in on this. This

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Speaker 1: is where it belongs, and I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: be quite the MRI. We're going to find out where

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party is today. Because one thing that has

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Speaker 1: been true since Donald Trump took his second oath of office,

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Speaker 1: every day he's lost a Republican supporter every day or

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Speaker 1: every week, somebody leaves the reservation. Nobody. He has not

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Speaker 1: added anybody to his coalition. You see it in the

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Speaker 1: form of elected officials breaking from him, and you see

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Speaker 1: it obviously in all of these in all of these polls.

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Speaker 1: But what his response to this ruling is not good

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Speaker 1: in the short term. This will be good in the

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Speaker 1: long term because we've established some guard raids, but it's

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Speaker 1: going to be unstable in the short term. We have

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Speaker 1: a bunch of instability where they'll be refunds. Justice Kavanaugh

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Speaker 1: warned of chaos. Yeah, I mean, there was no reason

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Speaker 1: to violate the Constitution, But there is some truth to this. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there's chaos. The importers had to pay billions under this

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Speaker 1: i epa misuse of the IEPA authority. They're going to sue.

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Speaker 1: They're going to want their money back. Sounds like the

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Speaker 1: government's going to fight having to give any of the

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Speaker 1: money back. These are lawsuits could take years. It's not

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Speaker 1: good for small businesses that need to deal with imports.

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Speaker 1: It's not good for any business, but small businesses. Big

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Speaker 1: business can can figure out how to mitigate the impact

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Speaker 1: of this on their on their bottom lines. They can

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Speaker 1: write it down right, they can they can get some

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Speaker 1: tax savings out of something like this. But boy, small business,

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Speaker 1: this is a killer. That's why it was. NFIB was

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Speaker 1: a part of the groups, a part of the bigger

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Speaker 1: group of people that were suing over this. And oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, the President just exploded the deficit with

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Speaker 1: his illegal tariffs because what looked like was going to

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Speaker 1: be the ability to actually see some revenue uh come

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Speaker 1: into the country used to at least shrink the deficit

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Speaker 1: annual deficit. I don't think we were going to make

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Speaker 1: any progress on the debt itself. Put to shrink the deficit. Well,

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Speaker 1: now if you've removed it, you know he was. Look,

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Speaker 1: this has always been part of a larger project. As

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Speaker 1: I've tried to let try to walk people through, we're

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Speaker 1: ultimately the goal here. The people that have really gotten

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Speaker 1: a hold of Trump are the folks that want to

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Speaker 1: get rid of income taxes. And you've seen in the States,

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Speaker 1: you've seen attempts to get rid of property taxes. There

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Speaker 1: are a whole bunch of people that want to move

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Speaker 1: all taxation back to being consumption oriented, right, much more

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Speaker 1: like a vat tax like the Europeans, right that everything

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Speaker 1: is consumption oriented. Well, guess what that was our tax

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Speaker 1: policy before we before the sixteenth Amendment and legalized income taxes.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, that was worse for everybody, and

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Speaker 1: it meant poor people paid a lions share the taxes.

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Speaker 1: Rich people hid from paying most taxes because they were

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Speaker 1: consumption based and the income and the impact was much

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Speaker 1: which is what made the income tax popular in that time.

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Speaker 1: It was to make the rich start paying their fair share.

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Speaker 1: And here we go again, right, it's rich and wealthy people.

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Speaker 1: They don't want it. They think that once they have money,

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't get taxed on it until they spend it.

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Speaker 1: And ditto with their property. Well, good luck funding any

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Speaker 1: service that government provides today if you take away income

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Speaker 1: taxes and property taxes. But we are going to have

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Speaker 1: a ton of instability now for a while. Right, he's

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Speaker 1: going to all right, so he found one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty days worth of ways to do terariffs. So he's

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Speaker 1: going to find their sort of five or six my

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Speaker 1: friend Bruce Melman, go check out his sub stack. There's

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Speaker 1: five or six other pieces of various authorities that he

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Speaker 1: can start to rebuild his tariff structure, and he'll do that,

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Speaker 1: but it's going to cause all sorts of instability in prices.

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Speaker 1: Prices aren't going to come down, They're only going to

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Speaker 1: go up. And at this point, right you think, oh, great,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be no teriff, but as a business

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Speaker 1: you have to plan that there's going to be some

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Speaker 1: more tariff somewhere. So this is a mess. But you know,

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Speaker 1: did anybody expect Donald Trump to leave? I mean, at

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Speaker 1: this point, when he leaves office on January twenty, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty nine, we're going to have half the White House

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Speaker 1: probably not be rebuilt, a Kennedy Center that's gutted and

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Speaker 1: not finished, half built structures, an economy in tatters because

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Speaker 1: of the mess he has created with this tariffs. So

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Speaker 1: let's zoom out internationally. What's going to happen all these

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Speaker 1: trade deals he cut using this illegal tariff authority. How

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Speaker 1: many countries are going to say, hey, we want a

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Speaker 1: new deal. The deal we cut is no longer operational.

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Speaker 1: I think quite a few countries are going to do that.

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Speaker 1: So if the tool he used for leverage is unstable,

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Speaker 1: then the leverage itself shrinks. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: he still hasn't finished this trade deal with China, and

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Speaker 1: he's going to meet with she in April. My god,

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Speaker 1: has it ever been a better environment for the Chinese

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Speaker 1: than the environment Trump has created? Now he's alienated every

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Speaker 1: major ally the United States has right handing over China,

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Speaker 1: you know, handing, Canada and India, all these in the

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Speaker 1: European Union better trade relations with China than with the

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Speaker 1: United States. And he has sort of usurped his own

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Speaker 1: leverage that he was trying to manufacture in going back

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Speaker 1: and forth. Heck of a job, Trumpy, because every foreign

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Speaker 1: leader is going to look at the Supreme Court rule

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Speaker 1: and go Court's going to intervene. We may there may

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Speaker 1: be some refunds. Congress may have to insert its control again.

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Speaker 1: Why do we have to negotiate with Trump on these deals?

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Speaker 1: So we'll see, it's going to be a mess. But

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's been weakened quite a bit. So here's where

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Speaker 1: it's going to get interesting politically if this now moves

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Speaker 1: to Congress, and we'll see, right Mike Johnson does not

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Speaker 1: want to put these votes out there now, I mean

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Speaker 1: right now, Trump's going to be super vulnerable to Republicans

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Speaker 1: walking away from him right. I mean, we've already seen

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Speaker 1: a handful of Republicans, and Trump got angry when when

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Speaker 1: a Colorado Republican voted against voted to get rid of

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Speaker 1: that symbolic vote to get rid of the Canadian tariffs,

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Speaker 1: and Trump withdrew his endorsement endorsed his primary opponent. Now,

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Speaker 1: in some ways, if Trump wants to try to purge

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Speaker 1: his party and reorient it around his protectionist vision for

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Speaker 1: the United States, then this is how he's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's going to have to go find more like minded

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Speaker 1: folks and get them elected to Congress. But I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you this, Colorado's have always been a free trade state.

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Speaker 1: Colorad Bhado's was one of those states that you know,

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Speaker 1: while they lean left there, they're you know, they're not

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Speaker 1: anti right to work, not the most pro union state.

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Speaker 1: They don't like tariffs. It's free trade s date. I

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Speaker 1: have feeling that Jeff heard, the congressman that Trump once

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Speaker 1: endorsed and has now unendorsed, knows his electorate better than

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump knows that electorate. So bottom line is this

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Speaker 1: is an MRI moment for the Republican Party. Right, We're

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Speaker 1: going to find out who is still a free market

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Speaker 1: conservative and who isn't. So we'll find out if they're

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Speaker 1: how big this fracture is. We know there's a small

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Speaker 1: fracture in the Republican Party over trading tariffs. We know

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Speaker 1: there's a silent minority. I still think it's close to

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Speaker 1: a majory, that's close to a majority that doesn't like

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Speaker 1: these tariffs, but they're scared to say anything publicly. You've

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Speaker 1: got to cover the Supreme Court. Well, we see more folks,

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Speaker 1: especially as balloting gets closer, exposed themselves as free marketeers.

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Speaker 1: We'll see and there might be votes. A rational reaction

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Speaker 1: by a president would be to try to get authority

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Speaker 1: in Congress, try to persuade, try to find a way

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Speaker 1: to do this. I don't know if he's going to

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Speaker 1: try to do this that way. I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: expect him. I mean, he's already responded as I mean literally.

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Speaker 1: A Democratic strategist said to me, if I could have

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Speaker 1: scripted Trump's reaction to this ruling, I couldn't have scripted

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Speaker 1: it any better. I mean, is he is owning the

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Speaker 1: every tax hike now in the country, every consumer tax hit.

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Speaker 1: He just announced a fifteen percent tax hide and consumer

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Speaker 1: goods across the board, So you now know that if

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Speaker 1: you're paying more, it is directly associated with Trump's economy.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable, he said in April this would likely end

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Speaker 1: in the situation we're in now. The only surprise was

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Speaker 1: that the ruling wasn't even more emphatic it was seven

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Speaker 1: to two or nine zero. But what happens next is

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Speaker 1: far more important. Does Congress reassert its authority in the moment?

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Speaker 1: Do we see free market republicans speak out publicly? Does

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Speaker 1: the loyalty tests continue by Trump? If Gorsach and Barrett

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Speaker 1: are disloyal for reading a statute narrowly, what happens the

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Speaker 1: next time the disagreement is over something bigger than tariff's

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Speaker 1: So this wasn't about trade policy. This is about how

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Speaker 1: we govern and whether we have three co equal branches

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Speaker 1: of government. And Donald Trump shortcut just ran straight headlong

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Speaker 1: into the brick wall that is the US Constitution. And

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Speaker 1: guess what, he's super unpopular at the moment. Let me

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Speaker 1: tell you about a new poll in the Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: Through this for a few minutes before we get to

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Speaker 1: the interview. Now, it's a poll of all adults and

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Speaker 1: so far as we've seen the pattern. When it's adults,

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Speaker 1: it's his job approval can't get out of the thirties.

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Speaker 1: When it's registered voters, you'll see his job approval it's

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the forty one forty two percent range. Sixty

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Speaker 1: percent disapproved. It's that disapproval number is huge. Here's a

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Speaker 1: few more things. Do you approve a disapprove of the

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Speaker 1: way Trump is handling This is again Washington Post IPSOS poll.

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Speaker 1: So it's a you, gov, i'm, i'm, it's EPSOS. I'M.

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Speaker 1: It's not my favorite methodology, but look that ship has sailed,

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Speaker 1: but he is upside down on every single issue. He's

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Speaker 1: got a majorities disapproving of him on every issue. They

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Speaker 1: tested us Mexican border. Fifty percent disapproved of his policy.

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Speaker 1: That was the best issue he performed on. Forty seven

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Speaker 1: percent approve of his border policy, Fifty eight percent disapprove

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Speaker 1: of his immigration policies, fifty seven percent disp proove of

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Speaker 1: his handling of the economy, sixty two percent disapprove of

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Speaker 1: the relations that he has with other countries, sixty four

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Speaker 1: percent disapprove of the tariffs, and sixty five percent hate

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Speaker 1: this inflationary Now Here's the thing that ought to scare democrats.

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Speaker 1: Americans are split on who they trust to handle the

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Speaker 1: country's main problems. Here's the specific wording of the question, overall,

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Speaker 1: who do you trust to do a better job handling

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Speaker 1: the country's main problems? Trump? Of the Democrats in Congress, well,

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Speaker 1: thirty three percent picked Trump, thirty one percent pick Democrats

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Speaker 1: in Congress. Thirty one percent said neither. How about that? Right?

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Speaker 1: Does that not tell you where America really is? Right?

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Speaker 1: You know, you basically have the base of the basis

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Speaker 1: of two parties saying one thing and everybody else feeling

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Speaker 1: I don't trust either one of these parties at the moment,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, I continue to wonder is this

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Speaker 1: an opportunity for a third party and independent? Does this?

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Speaker 1: You know, are Democrats going to realize they have a

787
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Speaker 1: huge problem, that their brand is shit. They are seen

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Speaker 1: as way too liberal, way too progressive, way outside the

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Speaker 1: mainstream on some of these issues, and this is why

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Speaker 1: they don't have confidence and sort of the rest of

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Speaker 1: the electorate. Right, the base is animated on hate and Trump,

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Speaker 1: and that might be enough in a midterm, but this

793
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Speaker 1: poll is still revealing as again, Donald Trump unpopular in

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Speaker 1: every single issue that matters to Americans. The fact that

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Speaker 1: this is not a blowout, that Democrats aren't more trusted

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Speaker 1: right now to handle everything than Trump by ten or

797
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Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty points, that's a reflection on the Democratic

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's just a reminder of a red flag,

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Speaker 1: all right. I, Like I said, I've got a terrific

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Speaker 1: I think it's an MRI and race and culture in

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Speaker 1: America a little bit. Some of our gun laws are

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Speaker 1: stay in your ground laws is sort of relevant in here.

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Speaker 1: But here's the beauty of this documentary again using only

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Speaker 1: of fits with the with the broader theme of the

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Speaker 1: beginning of this podcast, having to do with emergencies and

877
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Speaker 1: how those in power can abuse legislation that gives them

878
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: emergency power. So let's get into the time machine. Where

879
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: are we going. We are going back to February twenty seventh,

880
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty three. The German parliament building known as the

881
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: Reichstag burned. The fire matters, but the story isn't the flames.

882
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: The real story is how fragile Germany's political system already was,

883
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: how quickly legal authority became a vehicle for authoritarian power.

884
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: And to understand the night of the Reichstag fire, you

885
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: have to understand why Adolf Hitler was even in office

886
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: in the first place. Because he didn't seize power, he

887
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: was handed power. That's how this authoritarian regime in Germany began.

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00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: By the early nineteen thirties, Germany was exhausted. The Great

889
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: Depression had devastated the economy. Remember, America was pursuing that

890
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: horrible protectionist tariff policy that was essentially causing the rise

891
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: of nationalism all around the world. That's my historical opinion.

892
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: But it had devastating impact on the European economy, particularly

893
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: the Germans. Unemployment swords collapsed. Faith in the parliamentary democracy

894
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: in Germany erode it. The president, Paul von Hindenberg, had

895
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: already appointed three chancellors in rapid succession before he ends

896
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: up appointing Adolf Hitler. First it was Heinrich Bruening. He

897
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: governed through the harsh austerity measures during the depression. He

898
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 1: was the one that had to cut spending and wages

899
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: in hopes of trying to stabilize the currency. Instead, it

900
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: deepened public misery and he lost support inside that parliament.

901
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: Then came Franz von Poppen, who had virtually no base

902
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: inside parliament and ruled almost entirely by presidential emergency decree.

903
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: He alienated both the left and the right and could

904
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: not build a governing coalition. And then the last one

905
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: before Hitler was a gentleman by the name of Kurt

906
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: von Schlatscher, who tried to split the Nazi Party and

907
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: construct a cross party alliance. It failed and he quickly

908
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: lost Hindenburg's confidence. So in under three years, Germany cycled

909
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: through three increasingly unstable governments. And during that entire period

910
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: they had something called Article forty eight, the emergency clause

911
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: of the Weimar Constitution, which was used regularly to bypass

912
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: parliament because parliament was so dysfunctional and divided, so emergency

913
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: rule had already been normalized in German society's some From there,

914
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: Hitler didn't invent the habit. He stippingly stepped into the void.

915
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: So how did Hitler get there? In nineteen thirty two,

916
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: the Nazi Party had surged to become the largest party

917
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: in parliament. It was real popular support, but he did not.

918
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: The Nazi Party did not have a majority in parliament,

919
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: but in the November nineteen thirty two elections the Nazis

920
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: actually lost seats. Momentum was slipping. Hitler was not inevitable,

921
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: But what changed was the calculation of the elites. Again,

922
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: just think about the Republican Party circa twenty sixteen. But

923
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: I digress. So what changed was elite calculation. Conservative insiders,

924
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: especially Franz van Poppin, believe they could use Hitler's popularity

925
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: to stabilize government. They assumed that they would dominate the captain,

926
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: that they could box Hitler in, that his radicalism could

927
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: be managed, that his mass following could be harnessed. Well,

928
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: they were wrong, but they tried so. On January thirtieth,

929
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty three, Hindenberg appointed Hitler Chancellor. Not because he

930
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: was democratic, not because he had a majority in parliament

931
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: he did not, but because the elites at the time thought, well,

932
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: he's got the biggest block of supporters and we can

933
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Speaker 1: control him, or so they thought, so he gets appointed

934
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Speaker 1: January thirtieth, twenty seven. Twenty eight days later, excuse me.

935
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Speaker 1: February twenty seventh, the Reichstock burns now a Dutch communists

936
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Speaker 1: Marinis vander Lub was arrested at the scene. Most historians

937
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: today believe he likely acted alone. Whether the Nazis helped

938
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: or simply exploited the fire is still debated to this day.

939
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: Right was it an inside job? Was you know? Was

940
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: vander Lubi a patsy? But politically it didn't matter. Hitler

941
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: immediately framed the event as the beginning of a communist uprising,

942
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: and that framing found fertile ground. Enemy of my enemy

943
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: is my ally and everybody feared the communists in Germany.

944
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: Germany had a growing Communist block inside the Reichstock Street.

945
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: Clashes between Nazis and Communists were common. Political violence was

946
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Speaker 1: happening a lot. The violence was real and fear moved quickly.

947
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Speaker 1: So the next day after the fire, twenty eighth, Hindenberg

948
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: signed the Reichstag Fire Decree under Article forty eight. That

949
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: decree suspended, essentially what is the equivalent of our first Amendment.

950
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: It suspended freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom

951
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: of assembly, protections against arrest without charge. This was constitutional authority,

952
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: legal authority. Their constitution essentially created a dictatorship. Legally. Thousands

953
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: of communists were arrested immediately, their ability to organize a

954
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: campaign was crippled. And then here's the here's the key

955
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: with it. A week later, they're holding elections anyway, They

956
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: were having another round of elections in March. So on

957
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: March fifth, nineteen thirty three, Germany votes. The Nazi Party

958
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: receives forty three point nine percent of the vote two

959
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty eight seats, not a majority. Even after

960
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: the fire, even after the repression, the Nazis did not

961
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: command a p a majority of German voters. But here's

962
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: where the mechanics mattered. The Communist Party won about twelve

963
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: percent in that election, but many of its deputies were

964
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: prevented from taking their seats. They wouldn't let the Communists

965
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: in there. So it you take away the Communists, suddenly

966
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: that looks like they do have a majority. So when

967
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: you combined with conservative allies, the Nazis had the numbers

968
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: to move forward. Later in March, they passed something called

969
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: the Enabling Act, in a granted Hitler's cabinet authority to

970
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: legislate without parliamentary approval. Just they just he would decree.

971
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: There was no more legislative branch in Germany at this point.

972
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: By the way, to get this passed, it required two

973
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: thirds majority. The legislature basically voted to eradicate its existence.

974
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: And why did it pass because the Communist Party members

975
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: weren't a to vote, they were absent. Some opposition members

976
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: were simply intimidated by the Nazi thugs. Conservative parties calculated

977
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: that cooperation was safer than resistance. Again go back to

978
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: nine twenty sixtey. Sorry, the authoritarian turned required votes, it

979
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: required signatures, it required a legal procedure. The German dictatorship

980
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: was done via constitutional rules. Why did it work well?

981
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: By February nineteen thirty three, emergency governance had already been normalized,

982
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: Parliament had already been weakened in Germany. The economic crisis

983
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: had eroded faith in liberal democracy in general. What they

984
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: looked around and wasn't working. People didn't like people didn't

985
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: like that economy. Elites believed the temporary authoritarian measures would

986
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: restore order. So the Reichstag fire did not create authoritarianism,

987
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: but it accelerated a system that was already leaning in

988
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: that direction. And that's what's so always been so unsettling

989
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: about this incident and history, because the incident is not

990
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: the fire or the arson. The most unsettling part of

991
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: this story is its legality. German democracy didn't collapse because

992
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: laws were ignored, just the opposite. It collapsed because the

993
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: laws were used expansively. But they were used, and they

994
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: were used under crisis conditions. Emergency powers are not inherently authoritarian.

995
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: It's who uses those emergency powers. But when crisis becomes

996
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: the organizing principle of governance and legislatures differ rather than

997
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: assert authority. Emergency becomes permanence. Hitler did not overthrow the

998
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: system in one night. He operated within it, stretched it

999
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: until it snapped, and then created his own scary version.

1000
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: The reichs Dog didn't fall in flames, It fell with signatures. Boy,

1001
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: such a reminder. History doesn't repeat, but it certainly does

1002
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: run all right, little question time, By the way, I

1003
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: might as well share this with you so that don't

1004
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: name anything Hindenburg because Hindenburg is a politician and Hindenburg

1005
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: is alm all End in catastrophe. That's the real takeaway.

1006
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: That's my other takeaway from our time machine history of

1007
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: the Reichstug fire. But anyway, let's take some questions. Ask Chuck.

1008
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: This comes from Jaye New York, and he says, hey,

1009
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned last week that populism almost always leads to

1010
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: with anti semitism. It is an accurate correlation with some

1011
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: obvious historical examples Hitler's Germany. But my question is why

1012
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: does populism lead to anti Semitism? Is it simply because

1013
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: populis often look for a scapegoat and Jewish people provide

1014
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: an easy target As a non Jewish person, I've accepted

1015
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: the correlation of populism anti Semitism. I've never really considered

1016
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: the why Jay, It's an excellent question. I think one

1017
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: is we're a super small minority already. Two that's so,

1018
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: and minorities get scapegoated generally. Two Jews do punch above

1019
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: their weight in corporate America, in the finance world. So

1020
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: in tough economic times, it becomes if you already, especially

1021
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: if you you know, look, there's less anti Semitism in

1022
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: South Florida because there's more Jews that live in South Florida, right,

1023
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, they're to me, the correlation of anti Semitism

1024
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: usually is where there's fewer Jews. Right Wherever you see

1025
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: the least amount of Jews, you'll see the most amount

1026
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: of anti Semitism. Some of it's driven by some some

1027
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: hateful sects of Christianity, not Christianity itself, but there are

1028
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: some sort of sex that most Christians would denounce, that

1029
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: that that use religion to sort of teach hate of Jews.

1030
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: But it's it, I've all, you know, look as I

1031
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: look at it, and you're just like I just I

1032
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: find it amusing that this tiny you know that that

1033
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: we Jews here that were like point three percent of

1034
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: the globe's population or something like that. And yet we're

1035
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: and in fact, we're still below our population high are

1036
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: below the popular what the Jewish population of the globe

1037
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: was pre World War Two. And you know, we're apparently,

1038
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 1: you know, behind all these incredible conspiracies. So we really,

1039
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 1: I guess, punch above our weight. But look, it's always

1040
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: easy to scapegoat entities you don't know. And it's still

1041
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: there are still huge pockets in this country, huge pockets

1042
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: around the world that no Jewish people exist, but have

1043
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: never met one. So when you have not when you

1044
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: don't know anybody as a three dimensional figure, it's easy

1045
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: to turn them into sort of two dimensional enemies. It's

1046
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: the best explanation I have. But it is, you know,

1047
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I mean, it's interesting the way you

1048
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: word it, you sort of you accept you accept that

1049
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: as an accurate correlation. I mean, it just it just

1050
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: is always what happens. I think sometimes we forget that,

1051
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, bad ideas are usually not rational. Maybe that's

1052
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: a better way to look at it. Next question comes

1053
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: from Bills from Newburg, Oregon, but he says temporarily Falls Church, Virginia. Well,

1054
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: it's nice to have you as a neighbor. Bill, he says,

1055
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: I think if you answer this one, then I'll enter

1056
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: the five timers club. If that means that you've read

1057
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: five of my questions on here. If you do honor

1058
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: me thus, I humbly thank you. Is this the first

1059
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: administration that runs the most like a business that you've

1060
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: ever seen? Long a mantra Republicans, I think they finally

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Speaker 1: got their wish and this administration is run the most

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Speaker 1: like a business or any other. Your defense of Casey

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Speaker 1: Watperson's Corporation is acting rightly in the face of the

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Speaker 1: Epstein files made me shake my head. I think this

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Speaker 1: administration is handling the Epstein files exactly the way a

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Speaker 1: corporation's pr department went. I often say, go Kaines, but

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Speaker 1: this time I'll say, go Seahawks, my adopted team. Thanks

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Speaker 1: Billis I didn't know I was defending the Casey Washerman

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Speaker 1: Corporation ex actly rightly in the face anyway. Not quite sure.

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Speaker 1: I get the question you're asking if it's running more

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Speaker 1: than well, Well, it depends on if by running the business,

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Speaker 1: do you do what's in the best interest. A business

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Speaker 1: is supposed to do what's in the best interest of

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Speaker 1: its bottom line. The question does Donald Trump run this

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Speaker 1: administration and the best interests of the bottom line of

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Speaker 1: the United States, or does he run it in the

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Speaker 1: best interests of the bottom line of Donald Trump. I

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Speaker 1: know that sounds a bit sort of like hyperbole, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like he makes more decisions based on what's

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Speaker 1: in his best interest in the private sector, he and

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Speaker 1: his friends, et cetera. But it's not always in the

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Speaker 1: best interest of the bottom line of the United States.

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Speaker 1: So that's where you know, he's picking winners and losers.

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Speaker 1: So I don't I understand the I understand the premise

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Speaker 1: here question. I just don't see the evidence that he

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Speaker 1: is running it like a US. If he's running it

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Speaker 1: like a business, he's not running it like a business

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01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: that wants to grow, expand and be successful over time. Right,

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01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: it feels like he's running it more like how does

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Speaker 1: a legacy business that's trying to survive rather than thrive.

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Speaker 1: But I've always you know, if you ran the government

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Speaker 1: like a business, you would you probably would get rid

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Speaker 1: of a lot of poverty measures because they, you know,

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Speaker 1: you might get rid of. You might not stockpile as

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Speaker 1: much defense weaponry either, Right, you know, so there'd be

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Speaker 1: a lot of regulation, a lot more regulation you might

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Speaker 1: get rid of if you were running it like a business. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's running it in the best interests

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Speaker 1: of the US government's bottom line. I think ultimately, if

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Speaker 1: he's running it like a business, he's running it in

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Speaker 1: the best interests of his own bottom line. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to see where you caught what I was saying about

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Speaker 1: Casey Wasserman, and how you any I wasn't defect. I

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Speaker 1: look at the Casey Wasserman situation and think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was talking with the journalists who said that they

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Speaker 1: they had a line. The way they were dealing with

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Speaker 1: it is anybody with Epstein ties pre two thousand and seven,

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01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: they weren't going to treat treat like what were you

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Speaker 1: thinking that they were willing to give anybody preos basically

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Speaker 1: pre charges being brought against him some benefit of that.

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Speaker 1: There's a middle ground of people that sort of still

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Speaker 1: kept in touch with him and then until he you know,

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Speaker 1: then and then walked after that, and then there's anybody

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Speaker 1: that you dealt with him after two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 1: you don't, right. Wasserman is one of the few that

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Speaker 1: is being punished for emails that go back to twenty

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Speaker 1: oh two, twenty o three that don't seem to go there.

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Speaker 1: So that would be one, but it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: and yes, I do agree that the Epstein files in

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Speaker 1: that sense are being Yes, the handling of that on

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Speaker 1: a pr level, I'll give you that that right. The

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01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: best way of business would do is just put it

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Speaker 1: all out there, make every you know, don't organize it

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Speaker 1: for people. Make other people have to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: The problem with this is that every couple of days

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Speaker 1: there's like a new It feels like a new development

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01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: because you know, somebody is, you know, methodically. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's hundreds and thousands of people methodically going through these

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Speaker 1: these files, and there's always something new to find. And

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Speaker 1: again you look around. I mean, I miss this. I'm

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Speaker 1: a I'm an adjunct professor at USC. Apparently we had

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Speaker 1: some USC professors get caught up in the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: So this has been like a machine gun that went

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01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: off erratically and bullets went everywhere, and everybody's paying a

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01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: price except Donald Trump. I think Donald Trump's paying a

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01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: price too, right, you know, is he going to pay

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01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: a direct price or does he pay an indirect political price,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's paying the indirect political price more importantly, Bill,

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Speaker 1: if that is your five timer, congrats, welcome to the

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01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: five Timers club. Maybe we should get mugs or something,

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01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: get some swag for that as well. Next question comes

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01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,480
Speaker 1: from Philip and Biloxi. He says, Hey, they're my Congressman.

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01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: Mike Eazel surprisingly is embracing the Supreme Court's decision. He

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: was interviewed locally on WLOX where he said, and I'm paraphrasing,

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Speaker 1: we may not like it, but the Supreme Court is

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01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: the final word, and we have to obey the law

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01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: of the land. He's also running a local radio that

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01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: says something like, thanks to Trump and Eazel, the economy

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01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: is booming and we're living in a golden age. Which

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Speaker 1: is why I say it's surprising because he normally echoes

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Speaker 1: all of Trump's talking points. Thanks also for being the

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Speaker 1: only national voice I know that occasionally speaks about Mississippi politics.

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Speaker 1: Philip and Biloxi, Well, you know, that's very heartening to hear,

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01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: and I think it is a reminder that I do

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01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: take the more optimistic approach about elected officials that most

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01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: of them do want to accept the structure of the

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: constitution that really the most abusive, the person that has

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01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: the least amount of respect for it is the guy

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Speaker 1: sitting in the Oval office. And and yes, you certainly

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01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 1: have people who don't want to look like they're on

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01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: the wrong side. And notice how you know that there's

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Speaker 1: different ways you can sort of accept well, Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: the law of the land. He doesn't want to get

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Speaker 1: caught being anti Trump, but he may be very happy

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Speaker 1: that this happened, you know. So the point is is

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Speaker 1: that given where he is at, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: the the he couldn't get caught pushing, you know, publicly

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Speaker 1: celebrating the Supreme Court ruling. So I think there's a difference, Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see who celebrates it, who uses this

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Speaker 1: as a moment. You know, who else is Don Bacon

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Speaker 1: not running for reelection? Right, who else goes that far

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01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:09,799
Speaker 1: out on the limb on that? But and let's see,

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01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, what does he do if he does have

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Speaker 1: to vote in Congress on any of these things. I'm

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01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: not convinced that Trump wants to go do that, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see. Next question comes from an elected official, John

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Speaker 1: m imperially, a mayor from New Jersey, and he writes, first, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: thank you for the tododcast political junkie and amateur historians

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01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: dream come true. I'm the mayor of a small town

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey and frequently electure on American history and

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Speaker 1: specifically the Constitution from a quote citizen's point of view.

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Speaker 1: So here's my question. What if the Constitutional Convention had

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Speaker 1: been held in the spring or fall of seventeen eighty

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01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: seven rather than the summer. My point is that the

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01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: delegates of the Constitutional Convention could not wait to get

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Speaker 1: out of the hot, muggy, miserable Philadelphia that summer. The

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01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: result of brilliant constitution and principle, but with way too

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01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: many particulars rushed over and not properly thought out. One

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Speaker 1: other thought for you is to throw out in your

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Speaker 1: toddcast exactly who are the founding father. There's the fifty

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Speaker 1: six men who signed the Declaration of Independence, the thirty

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Speaker 1: nine men who signed the Constitution, or the six men

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Speaker 1: who signed both. And when I asked, who do the

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Speaker 1: six men who signed both are, no one gets it right.

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Speaker 1: They are George Climber, George Reed, Roger Sherman, Robert Morris,

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Speaker 1: James Wilson, and Benjamin Franklin mayor imperiality. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I want to come visit your town. Love love hearing this,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you loving the history part. I think you had

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Speaker 1: to sign both. I think to be founding father. So

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Speaker 1: let's go at the six, right, they should they shouldn't.

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01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: We probably should make a bigger deal out of them.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have confessed a few times that I'm

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Speaker 1: a sports card junkie. I guess you called it a

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01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: baseball card junkie. In two thousand and nine, Tops put

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Speaker 1: out an American history set and it was great. It

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Speaker 1: had like little insert sets of Medal of Honor winners,

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Speaker 1: and it was every Medal of Honor winner up through

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Speaker 1: two nine, give you a little and I I just

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01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: loved it. I you know, my daughter was five at

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Speaker 1: the time. And so I made a big deal and

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01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: we built we have this great album of it and

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Speaker 1: all this stuff, and and it has a whole bunch

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01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: of subsets of those that signed the Constitution and those

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01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: that signed the Declaration of Independence. But we really ought

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: to say, make a bigger deal on the six, you know.

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01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: And you know, at least one is a name that

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01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: most people already know of Benjamin Frank. So it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty good it's a pretty good place to start.

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Speaker 1: But that's a kudos. Let's make those Let's make the

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Speaker 1: uh the founding six. Let's maybe over time we give

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Speaker 1: them more and more of their due. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: and thanks for your service. John another New Jersey and

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01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: writes in this is John from New Jersey. I don't

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01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: think it's the same John, any rights. Was waiting to

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Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on these two news bits. One that

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Speaker 1: Gallup ending its presidential poll in two and Alila Mahea

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01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: is beating Tom Malinowski in New Jersey special election. I

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01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: think it's upsetting the Gallup is choosing to stop polling

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01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: presidential approval rather than report on the current administration's port rating.

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Speaker 1: Do you see other firms mimicking this? And what are

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01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,560
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Mahia's win. I'm curious about how the

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01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,480
Speaker 1: June primary will go if there's more of a consolidation

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Speaker 1: in that primary, But it looks like the establishment is

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01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 1: already called lest a rounder. I did some Gallup thoughts

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Speaker 1: on my sub stack last week. If you wanted to

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Speaker 1: read those, I you know, it's funny when you're in

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01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 1: this When you're making content in multiple places, you touch everything.

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Speaker 1: You don't know if you've touched everything in every place,

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Speaker 1: and I have not, you are correct. I have not

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Speaker 1: touched New Jersey eleven here. I've done it in a

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Speaker 1: couple other spots. I think I did it with the

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Speaker 1: Silissa podcast, and we haven't touched and Gallop. I don't

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01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: think I mentioned on the podcast maybe quickly in passing,

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01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 1: but I did write up on gal I look, first

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01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: of all, parse the announcement very very carefully from Gallup.

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01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: Gallup said they're going to stop publicly releasing their job

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01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: approval on the president. I didn't get clarification of whether

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01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 1: they're not actually asking the question. It's absolutely malpracticed to

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01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: not ask the question on any survey you're doing, on

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01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 1: anything in the public policy space at all, because you've

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01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: got it is. It is a helpful way to at

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01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:28,719
Speaker 1: least understand how partisan folks are behaving where they lie.

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01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 1: It gives you a better sense of which policy ideas

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01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: have political traction versus those that may have, you know,

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01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: or less driven by ideology, more driven by popularity. It's

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Speaker 1: it's just a it's it's it would be malpracticed not

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Speaker 1: to have that piece of data with you. It is

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Speaker 1: hard not to wonder Gallups primary. You know, they do

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Speaker 1: a lot of survey work and private survey work. Can

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Speaker 1: they have a lot of federal contracts? The lack of

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Speaker 1: trust anybody has in this country right now of any

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01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: corporation and Donald Trump is amazing because a lot of

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01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: people immediately looked up the amount of federal contracts that

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Speaker 1: Gallup has with the government, sees that was quite a

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Speaker 1: bit and could easily see right, Donald Trump already was

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01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: mad at Politico, So then everybody in the government had

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Speaker 1: to cancel their political subscriptions, whether they had a political

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Speaker 1: produce subscription somewhere, et cetera. And uh. And it sounds

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Speaker 1: like Gallup was worried about its bottom line and worried

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Speaker 1: about its business. It's possible they thought there was no

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Speaker 1: upside to it since a whole bunch of other people

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Speaker 1: were putting it out publicly. Nobody was saying Gallups was

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Speaker 1: the best of the polls that are out there. Gallup

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Speaker 1: had the best brand name out there, but their poll

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Speaker 1: for a long time hadn't been the best poll. It

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Speaker 1: had been sort of problematic for a long time. You know,

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Speaker 1: I remember when they stopped, they had a daily tracking

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Speaker 1: which was a total mess because while I don't think

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01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 1: their methodology changed, how people interpreted the changes just created

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Speaker 1: all sorts of friction and they did a terrible job

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Speaker 1: of communicating when they're when the tracking pole would change. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think Gallup got out of the public

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Speaker 1: polling business a long time ago. Right when it used

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Speaker 1: to be the CNN USA Today Gallup pole, that was

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Speaker 1: the you know, basically the only pole that was considered

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Speaker 1: better than that one was NBC News Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 1: But over time, the CNN, the Gallup pole had shown

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Speaker 1: a lot more instability, and I know that we we

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Speaker 1: certainly stopped using it as a reliable indicator. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to sit here and call the Gallup pole,

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Speaker 1: you know, but I but it would be it would

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Speaker 1: be malpractice. Not the doing any survey that you do public,

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Speaker 1: public or private, in order to understand your survey better,

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Speaker 1: in order to have a baseline, in order to know

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Speaker 1: your your your survey isn't totally out of whack. You know,

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Speaker 1: job job approval is one of those ubiquitous questions that

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Speaker 1: helps you and you know, understand whether you basically have

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Speaker 1: a you know, it's a the fact that so many

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Speaker 1: other posters do it. It serves as almost a check

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01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 1: to make sure you're you don't have a you know

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Speaker 1: you know for sure, do you have an out could

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01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: you have an outlier survey, et cetera. So do pay

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01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: attention to the fact that they just simply said they

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01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: stopped they were going to stop publishing the result. Again,

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01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: I can't imagine anybody would actually stop asking it. I

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01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: mean again, it's a it's it's one of those questions.

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01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 1: It's almost like a stabilizing question. It helps you understand

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Speaker 1: whether your your survey is is A is a trustworthy

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Speaker 1: uh A trustworthy survey. As for the MAHI, I thought,

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Speaker 1: look that the most fascinating aspect of this was the

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01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: aggressiveness of APAC right. They wanted to take Malanski down.

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01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: They went after them hard, and they were successful. They

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Speaker 1: raised the negatives of Malinowski and they see but the

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Speaker 1: candidate they were hoping to help ended up finishing third,

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Speaker 1: and the candidate that benefited from APEX attack ads in Malinowski,

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01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 1: was somebody further to the left than Malinowski and perhaps

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Speaker 1: just as unfriendly to some of APAX issues as Malinowski

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Speaker 1: had become So it was really one of those a

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01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,759
Speaker 1: reminder that when you do attack ads and multi candidate

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Speaker 1: races in primaries, know what you're trying to do. If

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01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 1: you're trying to take somebody out, do know who could

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01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: benefit you? Know? And are you sure you're going to

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01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: end up with somebody that isn't going to be more

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01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: more of a problem for your issues? In this case,

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Speaker 1: I think it was. It was that, I think it

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Speaker 1: And this is where when interest when a big interest

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Speaker 1: group goes after somebody, sometimes it's you know, Canada and

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01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: candidate be cancel each other out and a candidate c

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Speaker 1: ends up benefiting. We got some three way prime. We

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01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: got a three way primary coming up in Texas, right,

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Speaker 1: We're going to see something like that take place. Right.

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01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: Does Wesley Hunt benefit from all the corn and attack

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01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 1: ads on Paxton? Right rather than Cornyn? I mean, it

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01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: certainly looks like Cornan has not benefited from all these

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01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: attacks on Paxton, but instead the Demo generic Democratic vote

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Speaker 1: has benefited when matched up against Paxton in general election matchups,

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01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: and Paxton's negatives keep going up, but it is not

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Speaker 1: helping Cornyon. So it is a reminder that Basically, negative

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01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: ads can work, but don't assume those negative ads will

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01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: accrue to the benefit of another candidate that you want

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01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 1: to benefit. It could always accrue to a third candidate.

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Speaker 1: But as for look, I think I certainly you know,

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Speaker 1: I see why everybody's going ahead and rally. It shnocked

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Speaker 1: off somebody who used to have the title commerce and

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Speaker 1: seem to win despite not being the biggest spender or

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Speaker 1: anything like that. So I understand why the establishment at

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01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: this point is like mam, might as well, might as

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Speaker 1: well get behind money. Next question comes from Robert Leeds

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Speaker 1: any rights, Hey, check me the press, missus you I

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01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: worked in several campaigns. Anyway, I'm a gold trader, and

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Speaker 1: I have said for years that during Trump's first term

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01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: and again during the second, gold seems to do weird things.

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01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: On the eve of the job's report, huge sell orders

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Speaker 1: would come in overnight when the market was strong, gold

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01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: would crash for five seconds, go back up, and then

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Speaker 1: a bear's report will come out at eight thirty. After

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Speaker 1: seeing your podcast today, I wanted to share this. You're

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01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: doing a great job. Thanks well. What he was talking

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Speaker 1: about was this weird again, and I think we've got

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Speaker 1: to get some regulatory structure around these prediction markets versus

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Speaker 1: gambling markets, et cetera. But there's got to be a

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Speaker 1: way to deal with fraud. And somebody gamed the jobs numbers.

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01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 1: Right when Peter Navarro goes out warns of a bad

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01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: jobs report, jobs report turns out much better the next

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01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: day than when he went out there. And of all

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01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: people to go out there as somebody who's already of

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01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:20,600
Speaker 1: questionable credibility on his information in general, right, that just

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01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: smells crazy. And you know this is where I you know,

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Speaker 1: we're going full speed into these new markets without you know,

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Speaker 1: we were building the ideas first and trying to come

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Speaker 1: up with the regulation later. Very hard to put regulation

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Speaker 1: on something that's already left the station. And I'm concerned

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01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: about this, but we don't seem to have a very good,

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Speaker 1: very interesting what you say on gold, you've just explained

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Speaker 1: why I do not get involved in those markets at all.

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Speaker 1: I don't trust them. I think there's the people that

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Speaker 1: are most involved are doing it as hedge and games

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Speaker 1: in gaming it in some form, and those are just

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Speaker 1: not That's not where my comfort level is. You know,

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Speaker 1: I like, I like, I'm more of them. My financial

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Speaker 1: advisor and I were more of the warm Buffett acolytes, right,

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Speaker 1: like investing in companies that people use, you know, durable goods,

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01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: not always durable goods, but some durable goods, some texts

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Speaker 1: on this on that, but you know, companies that actually succeed,

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Speaker 1: not just hypotheticals. Next question comes from Dan in Fairfax.

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Speaker 1: He goes, hey, I consider myself an informed voter, but

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Speaker 1: I am lost when it comes to this issue. From

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Speaker 1: what I gather, a judge in Tazewell County has ruled

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Speaker 1: twice that the redistricting effort shouldn't proceed, but the state

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Speaker 1: government is moving ahead anyway. I also read that state

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Speaker 1: democrats think any lawsuit of posing the measure can only

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Speaker 1: be filed in Richmond, which is really confusing. Further, the

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Speaker 1: state Supreme Court doesn't seem to think this is an

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Speaker 1: issue requiring urgency. Can you explain what's going on? Thank you, Dan,

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Speaker 1: fair Facts. Look, it's a fair point. I think the

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Speaker 1: the the legis the democrat. The democrats and the legislature

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Speaker 1: continue to believe that the Supreme Court is going to

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Speaker 1: overrule this staswell judge like they did the last time.

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Speaker 1: But let's just step back. You know, I find this

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01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 1: whole campaign. I've seen the ads. The ads for Yes

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01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: use every talking point I was using about why there

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01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,520
Speaker 1: shouldn't be re redistricting around, and it was just like confusing.

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01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: Like when you hear an ad or you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. I agree with that. You know,

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01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 1: there shouldn't be politics in this. We got to take

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01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 1: the politics out of this. That's why you've got to

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01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 1: vote yes. You're like, wait what And I sit here

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01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm you know, am I being gas

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01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: lit by this ad campaign? Look, ends justify the means

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01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: is bad policy, period. And ultimately that's what this entire

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Speaker 1: effort in Virginia is about. Ends justifying the means. We

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Speaker 1: have to do this now because of what they're doing

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Speaker 1: in Tech. We have to do this now, and what

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Speaker 1: they might do in Florida, what they might do in Indiana,

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Speaker 1: what they might do in Missouri. Uh, I get it. Politics,

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Speaker 1: ain't bean bag. You've heard me say it before on

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Speaker 1: the Virginia front. Your right to be confused. I'm very

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01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: confused too. Some of it had you know. I Ultimately

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01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: it feels as if these state supreme courts are you know,

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Speaker 1: and what we've seen the courts are ultimately going to

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01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: side with a legislatures on this because ultimately, right, that's

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01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: that's who has the supremacy. Here is the legislature. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And if this is what they've chosen to do, and

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01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: they're going to the voters, so I suspect that this

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01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,719
Speaker 1: stay you know, I guess it's weird early voting starts

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01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: before the end of the stay right. I think early

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01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: voting is supposed to begin the six and this stay

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01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: this this this is supposed to basically be a not

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01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: a statement, sort of an injunction against this process till

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Speaker 1: the eighteenth. I think it's extraordinarily confusing. I have a

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01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 1: feeling this map's going to pass pretty but this amendment

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01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: to do this is going to pass pretty easily. But

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Speaker 1: I'm just I don't think this is a good long

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01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 1: term look for Democrats. And I you know, I understand, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you got to get power now, You'll worry about how

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01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: it looks later. Is the mindset. But again, it goes

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01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 1: back to ends justify the means, and we're watching an

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Speaker 1: entire Republican party that's probably going to regret at some

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01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: point being an ends justify the means. Party, and they've

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01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: been that party in particular since certain certain orange haired

1441
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: man strode down an escalator. And it is, it is,

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01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: it is. I can tell you this. I know Spamberger

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01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: is going to regret having to start this partisan and

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Speaker 1: it's interesting how she is having you know, some of

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01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:03,759
Speaker 1: it is just because the legislatures this there, this redistrict effort,

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01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, they vary, the clock is sticking, you know,

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01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: they they literally had to move this in days and

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01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 1: get it done even before she got sworn in. And

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Speaker 1: it has put her more as a partisan actor than

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01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 1: I think I ever thought she would want to be,

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01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: and look like very curious to see, by the way,

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01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: what her State of the Union response comes across as

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01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: I think when you're when you're the Democrats, it's who

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01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: i'd pick, right, you want to pick somebody who just

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01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 1: won and won by a lot from a state that

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01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: used to be you know, and share her profile from

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01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: the national security space. So I I you know, I

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01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 1: think I get why they picked her. I do. I mean,

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01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm there's two ways about sort of her tenure.

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01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 1: If you're going to do hardcore politics, better to do

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01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: at the start of your term. And then you moderate

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01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 1: us the term goes on. On the other hand, it's

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01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 1: hard to make you know. This is a first impression

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01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: for a lot of voters in Virginia. But Dan, I'm

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01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 1: as confused, and the ad campaigns are only more confusing.

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01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: But look, it's gonna pass because this will be a

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01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: super small turnout election and we already know those that

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01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,759
Speaker 1: are fired up on any messaging that involves checking Trump

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01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 1: are gonna win the Battle of Turner. All right. Last

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Speaker 1: question for this episode comes from Jim Tobahana, Pennsylvania. I

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Speaker 1: think you're giving me your age, but I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. I don't want to. I

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01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 1: don't watch you bragging about how much younger you are

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01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: than I am. Jim, all right, just because you got

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01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: you got ef You've been on this planet eight less

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01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: years than I have. You don't have to rub it

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Speaker 1: in my face. Uh. Anyway, your question, does international diplomacy

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01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 1: have a greater long term impact on legacy Trump? With

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01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: his focus on the second term so much abroad, I

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01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 1: don't see how this positively impacts his legacy. Putting his

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01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: name on statues the Kennedy Center giving h seems like

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01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 1: a short term ego boost for him. Band aid that

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01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 1: the next administration can reverse. Ultimately, long term legacy seems

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01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: like strength in the US with a focus domestically, with

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01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: an emphasis on improving his approval rating. Focusing on more

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01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: of a bipartisan agenda would be the biggest way to

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01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 1: improve as a long term legacy. Am I right? If

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Speaker 1: prices continue to soar in the behavior of his cabinet,

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01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 1: no marf k Junior Agency's ice, he's diminishing his own legacy. Jim,

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01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: you're you know you're doing You're you're applying something that

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01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 1: I used to have to ban during my meet the

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Speaker 1: press days, during our staff in there and be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: Stop trying to use logic with me. You know, in

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01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: the Trump era we banned logic. Jim. Everything you're saying

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01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 1: is so logical. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes right.

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01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 1: George W. Bush did that, right, He's like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna focus on pep bar. By the end, we

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01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: realized that Rack was gonna be a terrible legacy all

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01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 1: this stuff, but he's still you know, there were some

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01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: things he did that that were about his legacy, and

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01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: guess what one of the most positive legacies he has

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01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 1: is is what he's done in helping fund cures for

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01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: AIDS in Africa and what the pep Far program has done.

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01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: I know that Elon Musk and that those people I

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01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 1: have been trying to destroy that last positive legacy of

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01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 1: the Bush administration. But you know, this goes back to I,

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01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 1: don't you know Trump's the first guy. You know, I

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01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 1: used to do these exit interviews with retiring members of

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01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: Congress when I when I had my multiple when I

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01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: with with the Daily Rundown and with then I would

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01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 1: eventually change it to Meet the Press Daily and Meet

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01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: the Press now. And I used to do these exit

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01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: interviews with retiring members both sides of the aisle and

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01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:48,640
Speaker 1: get as many of them that would sit down, and

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01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: they were really legacy questions. And you know, but I

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01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: also wanted to know, like, you know, when was the

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01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: first time you wanted to run for office? And why

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01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: do you want to run? Things like that? And you know,

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01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: because I've done these sort of candidate interviews back thirty

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01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: five years now where people want to run for office

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01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: the first time, you know, back at the Hotline, we

1522
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 1: used to interview these candidates, cook Report, and we used to,

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01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, piggyback on the Cook Report. This is what

1524
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 1: they They do this more strenuously than we did a

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01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 1: hotline back in the day. And one of the things

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01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: that I that I've learned from those interviews over the

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01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 1: years is that I used to say, you know, it

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01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: always made me feel better about the democracy, because everybody,

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01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: whether they were, no matter where they were on the

1530
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 1: political spectrum hard left, center, left, hard right, center, right, independent,

1531
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 1: whatever you wanted to put it, they all ran for

1532
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: office on for one thing. There was always something they wanted.

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01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 1: There was the initial trigger, you know. I remember talking

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01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 1: to one congressman. I said, so, what what got you

1535
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: involved in congress? His first office was on the school board,

1536
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 1: and he was mad that they drew drew the lines,

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01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: drew kid out of a certain school district. I'm going

1538
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: to go on the school board, And he admitted, he goes.

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01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: Once I got on the school board, I realized they

1540
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the lines. It was somebody else,

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01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: he goes. But but I got involved, and and and

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01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 1: suddenly he said, the more he learned about government and

1543
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 1: how it worked, the more interested he got. So Donald

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01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 1: Trump's one of the few people to successfully gain office,

1545
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: whose simple motivation seemed to be sort of the same

1546
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: motivation somebody has to go streaking on a football field.

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01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: They just wanted to be noticed, right, They just wanted to,

1548
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, be famous. They wanted more people to have

1549
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 1: to respect them. It's a weird motivation. But he wasn't

1550
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 1: motivated because he's got an issue he cares the most about.

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01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 1: He was maybe he has a daddy. There's plenty of

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01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 1: We've had a handful of presidents and presidential candidates who

1553
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 1: I think got involved in policy because they felt like

1554
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 1: it was the only way to please their dad. You know.

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01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 1: Boys said, there's a lot of politics is filled with

1556
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: presidents are filled or it's amazing how many of our

1557
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 1: presidents have daddy issues one way or the other, including

1558
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: this one, by the way. But I don't think he

1559
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 1: really cares. You know, when you when you're so worried

1560
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: about putting your name on stuff, it shows you that

1561
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:36,639
Speaker 1: you really don't care about Like the Institute of Peace

1562
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: was never his idea. He just wanted to slap his

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01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 1: name on it because it uses the word piece. The

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01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: Kennedy Center isn't his idea, But he wants to slap

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01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 1: his name on it because he's afraid his name is

1566
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 1: going to disappear. You know, He's only a real legacy

1567
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 1: is going to be that ballroom in the White House, right,

1568
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: And I think he thinks, hey, they still call the

1569
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: balcony Truman's falcony, so hopefully they'll always have to call

1570
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, the ball room will always be the Trump ballroom.

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01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:07,520
Speaker 1: Well he might get that, and there'll be some Donald.

1572
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 1: There'll be some Donald J. Trump elementary schools, and I

1573
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we know this, it will be.

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01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's got an issue. He the

1575
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 1: if he cared about one issue throughout his entire career,

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01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: it was, you know, his belief in tariffs. But even that,

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01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 1: I don't think he fully understood why he believed in

1578
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:33,680
Speaker 1: tariffs other than he was trying to come up with

1579
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: a talking point to insert himself into a political conversation

1580
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 1: back in the late eighties. So again to go back

1581
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: to your question, Jim, everything about him makes sense, but

1582
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 1: you're that that's not how Trump's wired. It's just not

1583
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 1: how he's wired. You know, You're you're one hundred percent

1584
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 1: right in these things. By the way I've gone, we've

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01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 1: gone now a couple hours and I didn't get to

1586
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: and I'm going to save this for Wednesday, but we're

1587
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: going to do I'm going to give you. I'll give

1588
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: you this hint now, the Christy Nomes Senate campaign. That's

1589
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 1: a fascinating exit ramp that the Trump White Houses try

1590
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:19,879
Speaker 1: to come up with to get rid of Nome. Fascinating situation.

1591
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 1: Also want to get into the Maha moms and how

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01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 1: yet another monsanto, the first major donation they'd ever given

1593
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 1: to Trump. Let's just say they reminded Trump of that.

1594
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 1: That's why they got the executive order that they got.

1595
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 1: But those Maha Moms, We're going to get into that

1596
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 1: too on Wednesday. So look, it was a hugely busy weekend.

1597
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 1: That last question reminded me of a couple other issues.

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01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: I didn't get to get to. Maha moms and Nome

1599
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: for South Dakota Senate where two of them. But I'm

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01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm just going to leave that as a

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01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 1: tease for the next episode in forty eight hours. Thanks

1602
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: for listening. By the way, we were having some of

1603
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Speaker 1: our you guys have been great. I know there's some

1604
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 1: new subscribers out there, some new devots. I appreciate having you.

1605
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Speaker 1: How do I know new? Because we keep growing and

1606
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Speaker 1: things are going well. I can tell because I now

1607
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Speaker 1: got more people telling me, hey, I've got fewer people

1608
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Speaker 1: coming up to me saying hey, I miss you. What

1609
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Speaker 1: are you doing now? Now it's like, hey, I miss

1610
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Speaker 1: you over there, but I really like what you're doing now.

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Speaker 1: just say I appreciate it because it's you know, this

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Speaker 1: is an entrepreneurial business, and it is credibility has earned

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Speaker 1: one listener and one viewer at a time, and this

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